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Subject: 2007 College Football Prospects Report
Posted by: sarge33rd
- [99331714] Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 11:55
2007 Football Scouting Report
Well folks it arrived.....the 2007 football scouting report! The following scouting report is making the rounds of Division I football coaches:
Wayfron P. Jackson: 6' 6", 215 lbs. Wide Receiver. Hottest prospect from Texas in the last ten years. Loves rap music. Will demand a mini-cassette in his helmet. Currently holds world record for the most "you knows" during an interview (62 in one minute). Wayfron can print his complete name.
Cletis Quinticious Jenkins: 6' 3", 220 lbs.. Running Back. Set state scoring record out of Triton High School, Dunn, N.C. Also led the state in burglaries, but has only 9 convictions. He has been clocked at 4.2 seconds in the 40 yard dash with a 19" TV under each arm.
Roosevelt "Dude" Dansell: 6' 1", 195 lbs. Running Back. From Tyler, Texas. Has processed hair and imitates Billy Dee Williams very well. Before he signed his letter of intent, he wanted the school to change colors to chartreuse and pink. Listed his church preference as "red brick."
Woodrow Lee Washington: 6' 8", 310 lbs. Tackle. >From a 4th generation welfare family. At 19 he's the oldest of 21 children. Mother claims Woodrow and child number 9 have same father. He has a manslaughter trial pending but feels he will be found innocent because: "The dude said something bad 'bout my Momma." On his entrance form, he listed his I.Q. as 20-20.
Willie "Night Train" Smith: 6'4", 225 lbs. Quarterback. Born on an Amtrak train. Birth certificate indicates he is 27 years old. Thinks the "N" on Nebraska's helmets stands for "Nowledge," but still meets this school's stringent entrance requirements. Insists on wearing number 32 jersey since it matches his score on his College Entrance Exam.
Tyrone "Python" Peoples: 6'10", 228 lbs. Wide Receiver. Has a pending paternity suit and two rape trials, but hopes none of his other 9 victims will file charges. Tyrone had already signed letters of intent with six other colleges but was also willing to sign with us. Likes wild women and red Cadillacs. Thinks Taco Bell is the Mexican Telephone Company.
Abdul Hasheen Abba Ali: 6'10", 305 lbs. Guard. Played high school ball under the name Sylvester LeRoy Jones until he discovered religion. Abdul thinks Sherlock Holmes is a housing project in Jacksonville. Doesn't know the meaning of the word "fear." (Doesn't know the meaning of many other words, either.)
Note: College track coaches intend to use several of the above signees in their track programs. However, instead of using a starting gun at track meets, the NCAA has now agreed to use a burglar alarm....this, they hope, will keep the runners alert
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| 1 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 12:25
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Hey, Sarge
Too bad you didn't post this on Monday in order to REALLY insult the honored memory of MLK. I really hope you aren't as racist as the person who wrote this. Poor choice in humor, real poor.
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| 2 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 12:29
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given the recent crop of NCAA alumni to "announce" over the past few years...I see that piece as reasonably satrically accurate.
Too bad you misplaced your sense of humor over the weekend. I'm sure if you look around, you'll find it again.
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| 3 | Donkey Hunter
Sustainer
ID: 916288962
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 12:42
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I missed the part where anyones race was mentioned at any point in time in that first post.
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| 4 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 12:54
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Not sure DH who it was that pissed in Zens Cheerios, but they need to knock that sh*t off and not do it anymore.
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| 5 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 17:01
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If you two are so dense that you can't see the racial overtones in that piece of "humor", you are beyond hope. Seriously.
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| 6 | Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 17:41
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You'd have to be astoundingly, stunningly dense to not comprehend the obvious racist tone of that piece. Very ugly.
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| 7 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 17:55
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damn...ever hear of Maurice Clarett? Lawrence Phillips? Do I need to name more?
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| 8 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 18:15
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IIRC, this is cut from a joke 5-6(?) years ago talking about the new freshman class at the University of Miami. It might have been considered funny at the time because several of their football players were in trouble with the law and it seems like it came from a rival FSU fan. The way it is posted now it does appear as though someone is just making fun of poor black football players. Maybe they don't list skin color above, but how many people think "white guy" with names like Wayfron, Quinticious, Night Train, or Tyrone or how many people associate processed hair imitating Billy Dee Williams or people named Sylvester LeRoy Jones converting to Islam as "white guys".
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| 9 | Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 18:25
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So you're sticking to the "astoundingly dense" defense.
OK. I'm perfectly willing to accept that you're that ignorant, if you insist.
For other similarly situated people, allow me to clarify sarge's "humor"
All of the below are the coarsest kind of stereotype for young black men, each complete with a cliche black man's name
Wayfron P. Jackson - the rap music lover
Cletis Quinticious Jenkins - the TV thief
Roosevelt "Dude" Dansell - The Billy D. Williams look-a-like
Woodrow Lee Washington - the 20th of 21 children from 12 different fathers
Willie "Night Train" Smith - named after a famous black footbal player
Tyrone "Python" Peoples - the red Caddy driving pimp
Sylvester LeRoy Jones - the Muslim convert living in a housing project
How they missed a watermelon and/or fried chicken and collard greens reference is beyond me
Really, this thread should be deleted.
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| 10 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 18:42
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Unfortunately. post 7 is not a "astoundingly dense" defense. It's a, "hey, all college football prospects are poor black criminals just like Clarett and Phillips" defense, much worse.
When you are digging yourself a hole, just put down the shovel.
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| 11 | Texas Flood
ID: 4905267
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 18:45
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Don't forget Brian Bosworth!
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| 12 | Perm Dude
ID: 20371710
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 18:47
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I think it might have started out as a joke on class rather than race, but when all the players are described in racial ways it just doesn't work. I agree with MBJ and Zen.
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| 13 | Donkey Hunter
ID: 61182620
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 19:09
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I didn't find it particularly funny myself. I'm just saying these is nothing in there saying that any person is a member of any race. Going down the list.
Wayfron who likes rap music. I have never known anybody named Wayfron and a google search for the name came up with no matches of any race so I am not sure how it can be a stereotypical black name, but I do know people of many different races who like rap music.
Cletis who stole a tv. The only CLetis I have ever heard of is the slack jawed yokel and many different races have stolen.
Etc etc. Race was never mentioned once. Especially for Willie Smith because everyone knows that black quarterbacks can't comprehend a college offense. j/k :)
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| 14 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 19:21
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Well, I think some folks are giving this alot more attention and thought than it deserves or needs.
As for the PC crowd, I for one could give a rats ass if I piss you off or not. I'm not PC, have never claimed to be PC and have never alledged or alluded that the ultimate PC goal of eradicating anything which MIGHT be offensive to SOMEBODY is a good thing to do.
Newsflash: EVERYTHING can be offensive to somebody.
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| 15 | Razor
ID: 2611333012
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 19:29
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Newsflash to you: this is offensive to lots of people and very obviously racist.
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| 16 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 19:38
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At the risk of being redundant:
As for the PC crowd, I for one could give a rats ass if I piss you off or not.
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| 17 | Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 19:40
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Without necessarily shedding the "dense" part; obviously racist.
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| 18 | Tree
ID: 32014168
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 22:12
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i don't know why, but this thing made me think of The White Shadow, one of the best shows to ever air on TV, and very much NOT racist, and, in fact, pretty diverse.
that was a completely random statement by me.
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| 19 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 290501721
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 22:50
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Wait a second?!?! Razor and I agree on something?! ;)
Seriously though, the "joke" is clearly racist.
As for there not being any race listed, it doesn't have to be. Read Freakonomics author Steven Levitt's paper "The Causes and Consequences of Distinctively Black Names" (PDF) and you might begin to understand.
Within the first few pages, Levitt states, "names such as DeShawn, Tyrone, Reginald, Shanice, Precious, Kiara, and Deja are quite popular among Blacks, but virtually unheard of for Whites" (highlight is mine). The paper goes on to elaborate on MANY topics regarding distinctively Black names, including the fact that since the 1960's Black names have continued to become more distinct (see: unique, like Wayfron) than White names.
Clearly, the "joke" is referencing players with Black names and the attributes associated with the players are clearly meant in a pejorative manner. This leads to the conclusion that it is, indeed, racist.
It's not about being PC or not, it's about being respectful. It's easy to say that you don't care who you piss off or offend as long as you're not the one getting pissed off or offended. But, I have a feeling if the shoe were on the other foot, you'd be "screaming" just as loud as you are now about how offensive it is.
It's always harder to think about someone else's point of view, but in this case it's very much worth it to do so.
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| 20 | sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 23:30
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Quite seriously, I saw it at first, as more of a condemnation of the NCAA and professional athletics having demonstrated a perfect willingness and almost eagerness, to overlook what amount to almost sociopathic character traits specifically BECAUSE the athlete is from a disadvantaged background and just happens to be really, really fast and/or good at 3-pt jump shots and/or rebounding and/or catching a football and/or running with a football etc.
Is it somewhat insensitive? Of course it is. Does that by definition make it racist? Of course not.
Those who cant see the reality before them, are IMHO being blinded by their fan status of college athletics.
As for not caring who I piss-off, I never have given a damn about that. After 40+ years, I dont see that changing anytime soon. Does THAT by definition make me racist? I think not.
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| 21 | Perm Dude
ID: 20371710
Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 23:35
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Each of the "players" has attributes which match stereotypes for black people. Does that make it racist?
Its more than insensitive. If it was a knock on the NCAA it would include more than just black stereotypes.
What's next--a bunch of guys variously described as "stingy," "hook-nosed," and "swarthy" as a knock on the diamond industry?
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| 22 | sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 00:00
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If I say...The majority of professional athletes are black.
Is that a racist statement? No. Its a fact.
If I say...More inmates are black, than any other single race.
Is that a racist statement? No. Its a fact.
Get over it people.
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| 23 | Perm Dude
ID: 20371710
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 00:11
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Dense, indeed.
The fact that a certain group of people are mostly black isn't justification to use racist language. I'm sorry you feel you are being attacked here, but you have to get over this feeling of having to justify racist language as something we need to get over.
Nothing in your #33 is racist. But a list of black stereotypes as a joke certainly is.
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| 24 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 07:52
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Well isn't this a fun little exchange?
sarge has himself so firml;y entrenched that he cannot possibly relinquish his viewpoint now, despite the fact that he certainly realizes the racial undertones of his joke.
Tangentially, I'm almost certain this is a byproduct of arguing with people on message boards like this one (the Politics Forum in particular) for so long. I have been read those boards for years and the only thing that happens less frequently than TB posting is anyone actually retracting a statement or *gasp* admitting that they were wrong. Maybe the posters here have always been that way, and their behavior just continued once they began posting at websites. Or maybe, the culture of "Gotcha" and unforgiving ridicule heaped upon errant posters is so ingrained in many of us now, that we cannot back down from the simplest errors in judgment. It's much too embarrassing to admit that you were wrong. It's preferable to be decried as ignorant, dense, or even borderline racist. What a state of affairs.
sarge, I realize that you are the noble type who resolves to not even see the difference in skin colors amongst people in this world. That's admirable. Maybe I'm wrong about you, but that's the impression I get. Unfortunately, in this case, that's no defense. Racism is wrong exactly because it is offensive. Your post clearly offended a bunch of people, and surprised the rest of us for it's brazeness. When your peers have that reaction, it's probably time to take a step back and re-examine the situation.
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| 25 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 09:45
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If I say...The majority of professional athletes are black.
Is that a racist statement? No. Its a fact.
Actually, it's neither. Just ask Lance Armstrong, Pete Sampras, and Wayne Gretzky. They, and their competitors, are/were all professional athletes who made a good living and I think they would argue you on your point and do quite well at it.
If I say...More inmates are black, than any other single race.
Is that a racist statement? No. Its a fact.
And yet it still misses the fact that the overwhelming majority of Blacks are not inmates.
As I learned in logic class, just because some A are B and most of B are A doesn't mean that all of A are B or even that most of A are B.
Are there bad apples amongst the Black athlete population? Absolutely. But, and definitely more importantly, are there bad apples amongst the athlete population in general? Absolutely. But, the "joke" you posted doesn't include any of these other athletes. It focuses on (see: singles out; discriminates) Blacks alone and this single fact, regardless of any stats about the percentage of athletes who are Black or the percentage of inmates who are Black, makes the "joke" racist in its intent.
Whether or not you are racist I do not know, but the "joke" surely is. Just like a "joke" about the new arrivals to a local school all having Mexican names and questionable citizenship would be.
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| 26 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 10:06
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re #23:
Nothing in your #33 is racist. But a list of black stereotypes as a joke certainly is.
OK, so answer me this: Why/how is it considered "OK" for a black comedian to tell these same kinds of stories, and thats perfectly acceptable? (Same question would apply to the use of the infamous "N" word btw.)
That the joke itself ocntains racial underpinnings, I not only do not deny but would hold that it would take a fool to deny. I do not however, see the joke itself as indicative of racist behaviors on the part of the teller. Its a friggin joke. Period. Some of the best Pollock jokes I ever heard, were told to me by a Polish teacher I had. He oftensaid that unless and untilw e learn to laugh at ourselves, this is going to be a very bitter world indeed.
I thought it was sheer stupidity when in the 60's, the Latino community raised hell over Fritoes advertising using the Frito-Bandito. (A long standing "mascot" if you will at the time.) Just as I find it assinine that there are Native Americans, suddenly offended by the Atlanta Braves "Tomahawk Chop", or the name KC Chiefs, Cleveland Indians, etc etc. All of this "thin skinned" sensitivity has GOT to stop. My own heritage is Norwegian-German-Irish. Stubborn drunks would be the category of jokes re that background. Am I offended by those? No. Why? Because they dont truly and accurately reflect anything and I know that. Since its fiction, why the f--- would I get offended by fiction? Using the tale I posted in the OP...there are no grounds to take offense UNLESS...your name appears on the list AND the generalization behind it is an accurate one.
TY MC for your words, as you nailed it. I dont see a black man AS a "black" man on the street. I see him as a man. Period.
We all need to take ourselves ALOT less seriously. If we would just do that, we'd make great strides in getting along a lot better.
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| 27 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 10:09
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btw, re 25:
If I say...The majority of professional athletes are black.
Is that a racist statement? No. Its a fact.
Actually, it's neither. Just ask Lance Armstrong, Pete Sampras, and Wayne Gretzky. They, and their competitors, are/were all professional athletes who made a good living and I think they would argue you on your point and do quite well at it.
And where does your contention undermine my statement? You named 3 white guys. Big whoop. I said the majority, and thats an irrefutably true statement on my part. (Name any NBA team, with 5 white guys as starters. Now, how many canyou name with 5 black guys as starters?) That too, is not a racist challenge. It is however, a factual one which supports my contention that the majority of professional athletes are black. (Just as the contention that the majority of professional athletes are male...is not a sexist contention. Its a simple fact.)
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| 28 | chode
ID: 211491619
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 10:23
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If I say ... You can always count on sarge to occasionally out himself as the ignorant dolt I've always known him to be ...
Is that an insult? No. It's a fact.
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| 29 | Perm Dude
ID: 15014188
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 10:35
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#26: It is never OK for you to use black stereotypes (including the "N" word). Its very, very simple, sarge. And it doesn't make any difference because black people, among themselves, use the "n" word.
Also, you cannot make "fag" jokes, even though you know some homosexuals call themselves that.
You're "joke" was, essentially: "Ha ha! Look at these black stereotypes, written cleverly!"
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| 30 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 10:45
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count on chode to pipe up once a month with a meaningless comment.
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| 31 | Texas Flood
ID: 4905267
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 10:46
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Carlos Mencia seems to put the whole race humor thing into the correct perspective. If we can't laugh at ourselves from time to time something is wrong
I'm sure that if you substituted "Tyrone" & "Willie" for "Buford" & "Billy Bob" we could have all had a good laugh?
I found the post to be very un original, and kind of stupid.
In fact this whole thread is stupid and should be moved to the political arena.
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| 32 | katietx
ID: 3810431417
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 10:53
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Guess we'd best not post about Michael Vick's recent run-in at the airport, huh?
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| 33 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 10:54
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*shrieking ala Invasion of the Body Snatchers*
racist!!!!!
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| 34 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 11:20
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You named 3 white guys. Big whoop. I said the majority, and thats an irrefutably true statement on my part.
Sarge, KKB named three white guys, but I don't think that was his point. He was basically saying Cycling, Tennis, and Hockey are primarily dominated by white athletes. In fact, many sports are...just because 2 of the big ones in the US are dominated by black athletes does not make it an irrefutably true statement that the majority of all athletes are black.
I tend to agree with most on this topic. A bad joke that wasn't really funny. Sure, being able to laugh at ourselves is a good thing, but this was not an "ourselves" topic, as I don't think Sarge relates to any of the fictional athletes above.
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| 35 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 11:26
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And where does your contention undermine my statement? You named 3 white guys. Big whoop. I said the majority, and thats an irrefutably true statement on my part.
sarge, you CLEARLY missed my point. To take your new point, and subsequent NBA team challenge, and apply it to mine...
Name any NHL team with 6 Black starters. I can name a bunch that have 6 White starters. (That would be the Wayne Gretzky nod)
Name any Cycling team composed completely of Blacks. I can name a bunch that don't contain a single Black rider. (That would be the Lance Armstrong nod)
Name any major Tennis tournament composed completely of Black players or name any Tennis tournament that has even more than a handful of Black players. (That would be the Pete Sampras nod)
How about NASCAR, F1, INDY, CHAMP, or NHRA? How about Golf? How about Soccer? And the list goes on and on and on with professional sports that contain so few Black players that it becomes a news story when there is one.
So, unless you have actual numbers showing that ALL professional sports are dominated by Blacks, your "fact" is nothing more than you observing particular sports (Basketball and maybe Football) and applying that to the whole and is quite easily refuted.
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| 36 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 11:47
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OK KKB...since we're dealing here with the NCAA and NFL, lets confine it to American athletics and ammend the contention to the majority of American professional athletes.
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| 37 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 11:58
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I played D-1 college soccer, and the majority of the athletes at our school, including 1-AA football, were white. The majority of teams that our soccer team played were primarily made up of white individuals (I'd say 85-15% split). In four years, our own team had two black players for 4 years and one who played 1 year. Our team was about 25 players each season. I'd imagine that the majority of schools were like mine, except for the football and basketball powerhouse schools. Given my personal experiences, I'd still contend that the majority of NCAA athletes are white.
Here is a fact statement I will make, the majority of NBA players are black. That's the only one I am 99% sure about. As for football, I don't know. You can't just look at skill position players...K's? P's? OL? QB's? Primarily white.
And I still think the NHL qualifies as an American sport as the bulk of teams are in the US. And baseball.
I don't really know why I am discussing this...must be a slow day at work.
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| 38 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 12:33
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sarge, RE #36
Seriously? The fact is that your "irrefutable" facts are, indeed, refutable. All of the sports I listed (with maybe the exception of F1) have PLENTY of American professional athletes participating, the FAR majority of whom are White, so how does your amendment change anything?
I have a question for you. Would you read that "joke" aloud with a megaphone in the middle of Times Square? South Central LA? Any area where Blacks are in the FAR majority? Or Whites in the FAR minority?
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| 39 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 12:38
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In answer to your question...yes. And then I'd ask why a 'Cris Rock' could tell it on stage (or something similar) and thats seen as funny, where if I tell it, its seen as racist.
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| 40 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 12:56
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Sarge, are you giving up on the "irrefutable" facts that you stated earlier? I just want to make sure that those facts have been cleared up.
I have a question for you. Would you read that "joke" aloud with a megaphone in the middle of Times Square? South Central LA? Any area where Blacks are in the FAR majority? Or Whites in the FAR minority?
KKB, that's the wrong question. It shouldn't start with "would you," as I everyone would say "yes, I would" when they won't back down from their stance. The appropriate question would start with "have you?" Because if he hasn't done anything like that in his entire life, then I have no basis to believe that he actually would.
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| 41 | Perm Dude
ID: 15014188
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 13:07
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#39: If you can't see the difference between Chris Rock doing it, and, say, Michael Richards doing it you simply don't get it. Stop trying.
But in the meantime stop posting stuff that obviously people don't like. You aren't that dense to realize that people don't like it, even if you don't understand why they don't like it.
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| 42 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 13:21
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RE #39, then I HIGHLY encourage you to do so. Maybe some face-to-face interactions with strangers (as opposed to internet forum "interactions" with strangers) who find the "joke" offensive will help you understand.
I'm guessing you won't and it won't, but it's worth a shot.
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| 43 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 13:38
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But in the meantime stop posting stuff that obviously people don't like.
You gotta be kidding me. Right?
I dont like the Rep party...so those posts have to stop.
I dont like baseball or basketball, so those forums have to go away.
I dont much care for NASCAR either, so that ones dead and gone too.
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| 44 | Perm Dude
ID: 15014188
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 13:42
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All righty then. Continue to be an ass about it. Continuing to post stuff you know to be offensive to some people is just an ass-hole thing to do. By all means go right ahead.
pd
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| 45 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 13:47
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I do believe Fred, this is the first post I've made, that drew this kind of response. So exactly where, do you get the "continue to post" attitude? Do be careful that you dont fall off that high horse and hurt yourself when you hit the ground.
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| 46 | Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 13:57
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I know this should go in the Politics forum, but why is it ok for Chris Rock to say it, but not Michael Richards. (I know that he yelled racial remarks, but that sums up my knowledge of the incident)
On the same lines of questions, why is it seen as morally wrong when a male teacher has a sexual relationship with a female student, but not as wrong when a female teacher has a sexual relationship with a male student?
Does holding different groups to different standards promote racism, or help to alliviate it?
Personally, I didn't think that the joke was funny, and I agree that it has racial overtones. Could it be cleaned up to remove the overtones, sure.
(Stolen from a comedian I can't recall)
"Moose" McKully 6'6" 375 pounds. 6th year red-shirt freshmen majoring in scuba diving.
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| 47 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 14:28
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I know this should go in the Politics forum, but why is it ok for Chris Rock to say it, but not Michael Richards. (I know that he yelled racial remarks, but that sums up my knowledge of the incident)
Personally, I don't think it is. I think the type of language that Michael Richards used has no business in our world, no matter who says it. But, that's my personal opinion.
On the same lines of questions, why is it seen as morally wrong when a male teacher has a sexual relationship with a female student, but not as wrong when a female teacher has a sexual relationship with a male student?
I've never heard anybody say it was morally okay for a female teacher to have a sexual relationship with a male student and, in my opinion, anybody who believes that is a moron and is lacking in morals themselves. I think anybody who thinks it's okay is likely a) male and b) wishing they could have been that kid in school.
Does holding different groups to different standards promote racism, or help to alliviate it?
I don't think standards can be equal in ALL circumstances, but in the circumstances you mention, I would say it promotes racism, which is why I don't like it.
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| 48 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 14:33
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Of the 3 forums in which I know the OP appeared (the one I got it from and the 2 I posted it to), this is the only one which drew this kind of ire.
It originated (for my purposes) on an OT threasd in a professional forum, where it was read by males and females of various races. No negative comments and some positives were posted.
I also posted it on an OT thread to a gaming community forum, where males and females of various nationalities and races read it. Again, no negative comments and a few positive ones were recorded.
Here? What I will term self-righteous indignation flared with the ferocity of a run-away fire.
Different strokes...for different folks.
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| 49 | Texas Flood
ID: 4905267
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 14:52
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Ya know when you ride a dead horse long enough you begin to smell like one. Give it up dude, ya can't win this one! It's threads like this that have driven so many of the old posters away.
The bickering, back biting, name calling and sniping get old, really really old.
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| 50 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Jan 19, 2007, 10:04
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You're absolutely right TF. In the spirit of "co-operation" (or at least..as co-operative as I can be), I have ammended the offending post so as to remove all question of race from its content:
2007 Football Scouting Report
Well folks it arrived.....the 2007 football scouting report! The following scouting report is making the rounds of Division I football coaches:
George Bush: 6' 6", 215 lbs. Wide Receiver. Hottest prospect from Texas in the last ten years. Loves rap music. Will demand a mini-cassette in his helmet. Currently holds world record for the most "you knows" during an interview (62 in one minute). Wayfron can print his complete name.
Richard "Shotgun" Cheney: 6' 3", 220 lbs.. Running Back. Set state scoring record out of Triton High School, Dunn, N.C. Also led the state in burglaries, but has only 9 convictions. He has been clocked at 4.2 seconds in the 40 yard dash with a 19" TV under each arm.
Donald "Dude" Rumsfeld: 6' 1", 195 lbs. Running Back. From Tyler, Texas. Has processed hair and imitates Billy Dee Williams very well. Before he signed his letter of intent, he wanted the school to change colors to chartreuse and pink. Listed his church preference as "red brick."
Jack "Slick WIllie" Abramoff: 6' 8", 310 lbs. Tackle. >From a 4th generation welfare family. At 19 he's the oldest of 21 children. Mother claims Woodrow and child number 9 have same father. He has a manslaughter trial pending but feels he will be found innocent because: "The dude said something bad 'bout my Momma." On his entrance form, he listed his I.Q. as 20-20.
Mark Foley: 6'4", 225 lbs. Quarterback. Born on an Amtrak train. Birth certificate indicates he is 27 years old. Thinks the "N" on Nebraska's helmets stands for "Nowledge," but still meets this school's stringent entrance requirements. Insists on wearing number 32 jersey since it matches his score on his College Entrance Exam.
Alberto Gonzales: 6'10", 228 lbs. Wide Receiver. Has a pending paternity suit and two rape trials, but hopes none of his other 9 victims will file charges. Tyrone had already signed letters of intent with six other colleges but was also willing to sign with us. Likes wild women and red Cadillacs. Thinks Taco Bell is the Mexican Telephone Company.
John Bolton: 6'10", 305 lbs. Guard. Played high school ball under the name Sylvester LeRoy Jones until he discovered religion. Abdul thinks Sherlock Holmes is a housing project in Jacksonville. Doesn't know the meaning of the word "fear." (Doesn't know the meaning of many other words, either.)
Note: College track coaches intend to use several of the above signees in their track programs. However, instead of using a starting gun at track meets, the NCAA has now agreed to use a burglar alarm....this, they hope, will keep the runners alert.
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| 51 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Fri, Jan 19, 2007, 11:08
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"Alberto Gonzales: [...] Thinks Taco Bell is the Mexican Telephone Company."
Good job removing all question of race.
You really should just quit now.
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| 52 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Jan 19, 2007, 11:20
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Thx KKB...you jumped all over the one bone I threw out there...
Then what you are saying amounts to: Poking fun at anyone OTHER than a white guy = racism.
Is that truly what you mean?
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| 53 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Fri, Jan 19, 2007, 11:40
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I know this should go in the Politics forum, but why is it ok for Chris Rock to say it, but not Michael Richards.
honestly, it's not. and there is plenty of African-American leadership who believe the same way.
On the same lines of questions, why is it seen as morally wrong when a male teacher has a sexual relationship with a female student, but not as wrong when a female teacher has a sexual relationship with a male student?
you're kidding, right? the news has been littered lately with relationships between female teachers and male students.
to me, Mary Kay LeTourneau, who molested a 13 year old boy, had two children with him including one that was conceived while she was in prison, then eventually married him, is among the most disgusting of sexual predators in our lifetimes.
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| 54 | Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Jan 19, 2007, 12:13
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Sorry to keep this off topic
I agree with you Tree, but are the punishments the same or are the dependent on face and/or sex of the offender? I'm sure that there have been studies done or are being gone, but that is a discussion for the Politics forum.
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| 55 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Jan 19, 2007, 12:15
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Sorry to keep this off topic.
No need to apologize Frick. This thing needs to die anyway.
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| 56 | chode
ID: 211491619
Fri, Jan 19, 2007, 13:11
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Yeah, let it die so sarge can flee from this bout of ignorance, at least until he finds a new way to reaffirm to the forum that he is, in fact, a half-witted dullard.
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| 57 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Jan 19, 2007, 13:19
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which assuming you were correct once, would still leave twice as smart as yourself.
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| 58 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Fri, Jan 19, 2007, 13:44
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Then what you are saying amounts to: Poking fun at anyone OTHER than a white guy = racism.
Is that truly what you mean?
Nope, I chose to read your list without any political and/or actual person references in my mind. In that regard, all the names except Alberto Gonzales could quite easily apply to people from any race.
Do some of them have more trends towards being a White name? Sure, but the things you poke fun at are not generally regarded as being White stereotypes.
So, the difference between them and Alberto is that the first group is generic and is really what a joke should be, whereas Alberto Gonzales is quite obviously a Hispanic name and it's quite clear you chose to associate that name with the Taco Bell reference to make sure we didn't miss the connection and subsequent stereotypes.
It doesn't surprise me that you likely don't get the difference as you've yet to show you understand anything about racial sensitivity. Why would you start now?
Seriously, the best thing you could do is to just stop now.
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