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Subject: Ricky Williams tests positive for pot
Posted by: sarge33rd
- [99331714] Fri, May 11, 2007, 17:03
Reinstatement unlikely
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| 1 | Punk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, May 11, 2007, 21:02
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Smart...
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| 2 | Texas Flood
ID: 353452713
Sat, May 12, 2007, 07:32
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He's a classic example of why they call it dope. I've never understood the concept of people going through life stoned and/or drunk.
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| 3 | Fosten
ID: 35445422
Mon, May 14, 2007, 04:06
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This is not a negative story. Ricky Williams seems pretty content with his lifestyle and has always spoken openly on the subject. I was surprised he agreed to come back in the first place and I think its silly that the NFL tests for this. I'm glad Robert Smith walked away from the game when he did.
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| 4 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, May 14, 2007, 22:27
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Regardless of your personal beliefs, it is still an illegal drug and one of many tested for by the NFL. Williams just failed his 5th drug test. It really is a shame that he can't put it aside for a few years, finish his career, and bank his millions. IMO, most people would have the fortitude to make a commitment when millions are on the line.
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| 5 | Perm Dude
ID: 57426149
Mon, May 14, 2007, 22:45
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Even if he wasn't playing for the money but because he wanted to, he needed to follow the rules. It wasn't like they were unclear about it.
It seems to me to be a real character flaw not to commit to the NFL to the point of putting away the ganja for awhile.
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| 6 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, May 14, 2007, 23:07
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To me, he isn't content and he isn't mature enough to apply himself. Seriously, he is wasting a lot of other people's time and he is running out of chances.
Comes up hot a 3rd time and says he is going to retire before the results become public.
Goes through his waiting period, unretires, and rejoins the Dolphins.
Comes up hot a 4th time. Suspended again.
Joins the CFL.
Adheres to multiple random testing each week during suspended period in order to reapply for admittance back into the NFL.
Comes up hot a 5th time.
His actions are confusing. He says he's given up marijuana. That the yoga has weaned him of this habit. He's gone through the motions to be reinstated, yet he's proven to be a liar because he is still smoking dope.
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| 7 | barilko6
ID: 4944137
Tue, May 15, 2007, 09:19
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The CFL just instituted the "Ricky Rule" as well this offseason, stating that no CFL team can sign a player who is under suspension in the NFL.
So no more Onterrio or Ricky type signings.
How long until some maverick like Richard Branson tries to start yet another NFL competitor?
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| 8 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, May 15, 2007, 12:23
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He wanted to retire but the Dolphins insisted that he give back millions of his signing bonus. Rather than do that, he said he said he would play, but, whoops, he failed the test. Then he failed again. Hey, it's a medical issue, the Dolphins can't insist that he pay them back.
And Ricky is left where he wanted to be in the first place, at home without having to pay back his bonus. Let the man be.
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| 9 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, May 15, 2007, 13:41
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Let him be? Don't you think he was in breach of a contract? He had an 8.6 million dollar signing bonus and then sat out a season. He owes at least a portion of that back.
I knew last night that you would find something to post in this thread and knew it would lean towards supporting a fellow doper, but seriously didn't expect it to be "leave the poor guy alone." Errick Lynne Williams brought this upon himself. It isn't a medical issue, unless you are somehow trying to say he is forced to smoke weed to treat his anxiety disorder. That is laughable. I don't have any hate for Ricky, but if I paid a guy upfront to mow my grass and he didn't show up for work, I would want my money back. FWIW, it isn't ooops, hot again. It's hey, I am still smoking so no surprise I'm hot again.
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| 10 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, May 15, 2007, 13:53
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Don't you think he was in breach of a contract?
I don't think so. I don't know a lot about NFL contracts but I never understood a signing bonus as being contingent on playing each year in the contract. I can't imagine its covered by insurance, for example.
Don't get me wrong, I think what he did is a $h\tty thing, but to my knowledge I don't think he's done anything illegal.
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| 11 | chode
ID: 293141514
Tue, May 15, 2007, 14:03
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... except possess and smoke marijuana.
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| 12 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, May 15, 2007, 14:09
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Of course. I mean with regard to keeping his signing bonus.
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| 13 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, May 15, 2007, 14:20
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When I say it is a "medical issue", I'm quoting the press and when they say that, they are saying that his drug test failures are medical therefore he is not liable for the back bonus pay. It's different than quitting. You may not agree, but who cares?
Ricky wants to retire. He could simply have someone break his arm and he would have a medical reason to not play football. Or he could hit the bong and have a different medical reason. I know which route I would take.
There are many athletes collecting money for games they didn't play and I don't think Ricky's case is any better or worse than those. So I reiterate, leave him alone, you can't force someone to play if he wishes to retire and to piss and moan about that fact is a waste of time.
So, if I am a "fellow doper" with Ricky, are we then allowed to mock you anytime you stand up for someone as a "fellow moron"? Fair enough?
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| 14 | rockafellerskank
ID: 450122417
Tue, May 15, 2007, 14:31
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Didn't a court (arbitrator) rule Ricky owed the Dolphins the $8M and change? If so, why does continued suspension change that? I'm not a lawyer, but unless Ricky appeals that decision, I think he is in debt. I thought the "reason" he was making a comeback as to fulfill the contract so as not to be liable for the money. Am I mistaken?
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| 15 | Perm Dude
ID: 24471511
Tue, May 15, 2007, 14:36
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As Zen just pointed out, he did come back. And was suspended for a medical reason.
He was previously liable because he quit voluntarily. Being unable to play for medical reasons (or, if he had been cut) means he keeps the money.
Very tricky of Ricky.
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| 16 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, May 15, 2007, 14:39
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Because his suspension was for "medical reasons" and he cannot be held liable for that type of suspension. Yes, he came back to fulfill the contract, and he would have, but for these dang "medical reasons".
And TB, I sure you are about as happy being called a moron as I am a doper as both are juvenile and don't add anything to polite discussion.
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| 17 | rockafellerskank
ID: 450122417
Tue, May 15, 2007, 14:55
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But (pardon me if I am being dense here), he DIDN'T come back because he was never granted reinstatement, right? I think if he was granted reinstatement and played a a game, and then was suspended for "medical reasons" it would be different. In essence, Ricky was never given the ability to un-quit.
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| 18 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, May 15, 2007, 16:23
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I read last week that he still owes $8.3M from before he unretired. He might not have to pay anymore becasue he was kicked out, but that doesn't change the fact that he still owes that money.
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| 19 | Perm Dude
ID: 24471511
Tue, May 15, 2007, 16:37
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It does if he was involuntarily removed from the league for medical reasons.
The whole reason he was asked to pay back the money is that he voluntarily retired. In other words, he chose not to play. You can't take The Man's money and then quit.
pd
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| 20 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, May 15, 2007, 16:48
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ESPN article
Williams still owes the Dolphins $8.6 million for breaching his contract when he sat out the 2004 season, but they've given no signal they want him back.
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| 21 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, May 15, 2007, 20:33
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SZ, I looked up doper and the definition reads harsher than my intent. Wasn't trying to imply you are an addict or an idiot, just a dope smoker. It's a term I've used since high school to describe a habitual marijuana smoker. Regardless of who it is or the circumstances, if it's about drug use you've stood up for the user. Maybe you aren't a one-issue guy, but it's very clear where you stand on drug use and I've read more than one post where you've talked about your own drug use.
Here is a good link that breaks down what he owes and why he owes it. Specific contract language that was upheld by the court after the arbitrator made his ruling. http://www.sportscrew.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-34775.html
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| 22 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, May 19, 2007, 20:44
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Cameron not counting on Ricky
Not only is nobody counting on him, but it sounds like his teamates don't care if he ever comes back. I don't blame them.
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| 23 | holt
ID: 50340153
Mon, May 21, 2007, 14:23
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dope is a heavy term to use. it's frequently used to refer to heroin and other serious drugs. when the U.S. finally comes to it's senses and ends the "prohibition" of marijuana, going back and reading discussions like these will almost be humorous.
the NFL takes such a high and mighty stance on marijuana, but turns a blind eye to steroids and alcohol (can you say budweiser, coors, miller?). it's so arbitrary. Ricky shouldn't have to defend himself from anything.
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| 24 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, May 21, 2007, 20:44
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FWIW, dope has been a general term for any drug of abuse, but I certainly do appreciate having so many resident marijuana slang experts on hand to help me learn and correct my vocabulary. It's almost better than having grammar and spelling police cleaning up threads.
Prohibition? High and mighty stance on marijuana? Blind eye to steriods? Are we living on the same planet?
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| 25 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Mon, May 21, 2007, 20:59
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FWIW, dope has been a general term for any drug of abuse
In this instance, the word 'dope' needs to be bracketed by quotation marks for grammatical correctness.
Thank you, drive through.
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| 26 | Perm Dude
ID: 344342020
Mon, May 21, 2007, 21:02
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Ricky shouldn't have to defend himself from anything.
Except for breaking his contract, and the law?
"Dope" is illegal. Beer isn't. Even steroids are legal when prescribed.
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| 27 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Mon, May 21, 2007, 21:08
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PD, the particular usage that you are enumerating does not require quotation marks for punctuation.
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| 28 | holt
ID: 50340153
Tue, May 22, 2007, 04:06
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how many players has the NFL busted for steroids? and when they do bust them, how strong is the punishment? Merriman testing positive for steroids last year and was still allowed to go out on the field against the Rams and record 3 sacks BEFORE serving his paltry 4 game suspension. steroids are performance enhancers, weed is not. Merriman was kicking ass on the field. Williams was in exile because he likes to smoke weed in his private time. that's the world I'm living in.
what's wrong with the word prohibition? because it's a reminder of how unwise it is to criminalize a widely used recreational substance?
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| 29 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Tue, May 22, 2007, 23:29
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TB for governor of American Samoa.
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| 31 | rockafellerskank
ID: 450122417
Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 17:48
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applied for reinstatement?
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