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Subject: RIFC 2007: pre-draft discussion
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 11:07
I am pleased to announce the 14 managers for the 2007 RIFC:
I AM CANADIAN
s_R
Beezer
Leggestand
Guru
Goatlocker
youngroman
bmd
Holt
SMith32
Bags
Slackjawed Yokels
Nerfherders
Greybear
This list includes me, the top-6 non-me seeds from last year's RIFC, 3 teams from each AAA league, and the (playoff) winner of the AA league. For each AAA league, I selected the playoff winner plus the top two seeds for the playoffs.
Although it is still early, there are several things that we can start on:
1. Sign-ups for qualifying leagues. I will start a separate thread for this.
2. Discussion of possible rules changes. (We can use this thread for that.)
3. Discussion of any other issues that should be resolved before the start of the draft.
I expect that the RIFC draft will start sometime around August 18, plus or minus a few days. I plan to draft using kafenatid.net software once again, and recent history suggests that we can knock off the draft in 2 weeks.
I have not yet reviewed the issues that arose during last season that might prompt rules changes (and/or clarifications). If anyone would like to skim through the various discussion threads from last year and post potential issues, please do so. I’ll copy over last year’s rules momentarily.
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| 50 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 15:53
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1. c
2. c
3. b
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| 51 | s R
ID: 861898
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 16:14
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It does not signify, but in my name between "s" and "R" it's a " "(space), in place of "_"
-Considering to change-
1-c
2-c
3-b
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| 52 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 19:12
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I'll pick 10th.
Holt's turn to select.
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| 53 | holt
ID: 41512278
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 05:09
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I wish I could select my pick right now but I really need to look it over first and I'm just about to go to sleep now. will look it over and make my pick when I get up. sorry for the delay.
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| 54 | leggestand
ID: 49638288
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 10:11
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1. a
2. c
3. b
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| 55 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 1361448
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 11:54
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Just to make this a little clearer...
Breakdown of voting so far:
1. 6xa, 0xb, 4xc
2. 2xa, 0xb, 8xc
3. 5xa, 5xb
Draft slots taken: 1,2,5,10
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| 56 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 13:38
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DRAFT ORDER SO FAR
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3.
4.
5. Bags
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. Guru
11.
12.
13.
14.
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| 57 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 13:47
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Following the draft, all undrafted players will be subject to a "waiver-like" priority claiming process, with the priorities equal to the reverse of the first round draft picks.
So, the team selecting 14th in round 1 will have the top priority in post draft claiming. However, remember that claiming priorities reset after each week for the first 6 weeks of the season, so there is no persisting impact of having top priority post-draft.
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| 58 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 13:54
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Re: draft timing
Last year, we began the draft on Aug 16, and completed it on Aug 30.
This year, the opening game of the NFL schedule is on Thursday, Sept. 6. In order to carry out our post-draft claiming process, we should do our best to complete the draft by Sept 2 at the absolute latest.
Although there are always those who want to start ASAP, most seem to prefer waiting as late as possible to begin the draft.
With that in mind, it would seem that we should aim to start the draft sometime in the August 15-18 timeframe.
Question: are there any managers who have availability constraints from August 15-31 that might slow down the draft? Remember that the draft software provides flexible options for setting up queues - which has been instrumental in keeping prior drafts moving along without many pauses.
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| 59 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 14:30
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I'm going to be out in the RV from 28 Aug to 4 Sept, but don't expect any issues.
Plan to work Mon - Thurs that week and will be able to get in from there.
And can set a queue to finish things out.
And I'm on travel 6-10 Aug, so the other dates are perfect for me.
Cliff
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| 60 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 1361448
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 14:30
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In comparison with recent years, I no longer have "easy access" between roughly 6AM-5PM EST during the week. I'll try my best to setup queues, but considering I'll be making back-2-back picks, they'll probably be dependent on who goes with #1 pick, meaning a) I'll probably forgo automated queues, and send emails to Guru. b) wait until, I'm within access (normally early afternoon-bedtime, and weekends).
Other than that... no "blackout dates" in the immediate future for myself. (Although, it may slow down the draft somewhat)
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| 61 | leggestand
ID: 49638288
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 15:18
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I am going to be out of town August 14-15th on business travel with limited cpu access, so, I'd prefer to start on the 16th. But, I imagine I am going to be towards the bottom of the draft, so, if we start on the 15th and it gets to me by the 16th, I would be fine.
I have a couple other minimal access dates for out of town drafts, but I will be available via cell phone like previous years.
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| 62 | beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 16:32
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1. a
2. c
3. b
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| 63 | holt
ID: 41512278
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 07:58
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1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4.
5. Bags
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. Guru
11.
12.
13.
14.
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| 64 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 09:16
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From his queue, Smith32 takes the 4th pick.
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. Guru
11.
12.
13.
14.
Here are the remaining managers, in order of selection:
7 Nerfherders
8 bmd
9 Greybear
10 youngroman
11 Goatlocker
12 Leggestand
13 Slackjawed Yokels
14 s_R
Nerfherder is up.
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| 65 | Nerfherders
ID: 501035289
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 12:30
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1.c
2.c
3.b
I pick 8th
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| 66 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 052347519
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 20:49
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1. a
2. c
3. a
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| 67 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 1361448
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 21:43
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For the vote on potential rule changes, I believe that the only one missing is Guru's and since he has final decision anyways, heres how the rest of the voting went:
1. 8xa, 0xb, 5xc
2. 2xa, 0xb, 11xc
3. 6xa, 7xb
Draft Slots:
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6.
7.
8. Nerfherders
9.
10. Guru
11.
12.
13.
14.
Here are the remaining managers, in order of selection:
8 bmd
9 Greybear
10 youngroman
11 Goatlocker
12 Leggestand
13 Slackjawed Yokels
14 s_R
bmd is up.
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| 68 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 00:52
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I just realized that we talked about clarifying tiebreakers for playoff games during last year's playoffs. I'm cool with Guru just picking something that makes sense and going with it, or we can talk it out and vote. I didn't see anything else that required further discussion.
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| 69 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 10:05
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How about this: The team with the better seed wins a playoff tie. To advance past a team seeded above you, you have to beat them, not just tie them.
As to the votes, the only issue requiring my vote for a decision is team defense, and I'll vote (b).
So, the results are:
1. The 3rd WR slot will be a WR/TE flex
2. We will stick with the previous IDP configuration (6 total, at least one at each of DL, LB, DB).
3. Team defense: no change in yardage formula |
| 70 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 10:15
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Rules for 2007
Changes & clarifications from prior rules are shown in italics
Roster
1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 WR/TE
1 TE
1 K
1 Team def
1 DL
1 LB
1 DB
3 additional IDP (flex)
9 bench
24 Total
Decimal scoring is applied for all categories.
Offense Category Points
(apply only to QB, RB, WR, TE, and K unless otherwise noted)
Passing TD 4
Other TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Passing-2pt conv 1
Other-2pt conv 2
Passing yard 1/25 (i.e., .04 per yard)
Rushing yard 1/10 (i.e., .10 per yard)
Receiving yard 1/10
Punt return yard 1/10 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return yard 1/25 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return 0 (no deduction)
Int, fumbles lost -2
Kicking Points
(apply only to QB, RB, WR, TE, and K)
Extra point made 1
Extra point missed -1
FG under 40 yards 3
FG 40-49 yards 4
FG 50+ yards 5
Missed FG <30 -1
Missed FG 30+ 0
Team Defense Points
(the following points apply only to team defenses)
Sack 1
Interception 2
Fumble recovered 2
TD 6 (excludes TDs on kick or punt returns)
Safety 3
Blocked kick 2
Shutout 10
1-6 defensive points allowed 7
7-13 defensive points allowed 4
14-20 defensive points allowed 1
21-27 defensive points allowed 0
28-34 defensive points allowed -1
35+ defensive points allowed -4
Defensive points allowed exclude TDs scored by the opposing special teams or the opposing defense (i.e., TDs on turnovers, kick/punt returns, or blocked kicks).
Points are assigned for yardage allowed according to the following table:
500+ yards allowed: 0 points
400-499 yards allowed: 1 point
300-399: 2
275-299: 3
250-274: 4
225-249: 5
200-224: 6
175-199: 7
150-174: 8
125-149: 9
under 125: 10
Indiv Defensive Players Points
(the following points apply only to DL, LB, and DB)
Solo Tackle 1
Asst Tackle 0.5
Pass defensed 1
Sack 3 (half sack=1.5)
Interception 3
Fumble forced 2
Fumble recovery 1
TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Safety 3
Unlisted players
During the draft, any player may be drafted, regardless of whether or not the player is listed at the hosting game site. Once the draft is completed, unlisted players may not be added to any roster. This applies for any post-draft waiver processing as well.
In the event that a drafted player is not listed after the draft has completed, a placeholder player will be assigned to the drafting team, to be replaced by the drafted player as soon as he is available.
Priority Claiming
All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at noon on Wednesday. Following the first 6 weeks of the season, the priorities will reset weekly based on the reverse of W/L percentage. After that, priorities will not be reset. Throughout the season, when a player is claimed (either via "free agent priority claim" or a waiver claim), the claiming team moves to the end of the claiming priority list. Following the final regular season game, priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded.
Starting at 1:00pm on Wednesday, all free agents may be picked up by any team "first come, first served" without any change in priority status.
(Immediately following the draft, undrafted players will be subject to a priority claiming process, with priorities equal to the reverse of the first round draft order.)
When a player is dropped from a roster, the player will go on waivers for 48 hours. At the end of the 48 hour period, if any team has placed a claim on the player, the team with the highest claiming priority will receive the player. If no claims are submitted, the player becomes a free agent at that time. If a player is dropped within 48 hours of his game freeze, he may not be claimed until the following week's free agent claiming process.
Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player.
Schedule
13 week round robin
Doubleheaders all weeks 1-13 (play each team twice)
Single elimination playoffs, weeks 14-16
Trades and trade deadline
During the draft, trades may include draft picks. Trades will normally be approved immediately by the Commissioner, assuming they are reasonably balanced. If league managers believe an announced trade is unbalanced, they should protest the trade ASAP.
After the draft, trades will be subject to a review period. For the first 24 hours following a trade, managers may protest a trade by posting a message at the RotoGuru forum, or by sending an email to the Commissioner. If at least 3 managers protest a trade within 24 hours of its announcement, then all managers will be polled within the next 24 hours. If seven or more managers vote to veto a trade, then it will not be approved. If a proposed trade is announced less than 24 hours before the earliest freeze for any player involved, then the entire trade will not be processed until the following week.
If a trade does not receive at least 3 protests, then it will be effective 24 hours after it is announced. If a trade receives at least 3 protests but the protests are not upheld in a full league vote, then the trade will be processed 48 hours after it is announced.
The trade deadline is 11:30pm EST on November 9.
Playoffs
8 teams
Top 6 W/L records are seeded 1-6
Top remaining total points are seeded 7-8
Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on head-to-head first, then total points
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)
Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) and team defenses may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later.
Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable.
If a playoff game ends in a tie score, the team with the better seed shall advance.
Team which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.
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| 71 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 10:22
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Administrative update:
2 managers have not yet registered for the league at Fanball:
Holt
Slackjawed Yokel
As an aside, any manager may rename his team at Fanball. If you do so, please keep the name somewhat intuitive, so that league outsiders can figure out which team is associated with each manager.
2 managers have not yet registered for the draft at kafenatid.net:
Holt
Nerfherders
Although there is no urgent need to register immediately, the sooner we complete those tasks, the less I need to keep checking on it.
If anyone needs instructions for registering at either site, let me know.
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| 72 | Greybear
ID: 33602811
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 10:48
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Hi Guys,
I have to leave town for business for the remainder of the day. I gave my queue to Letter_J who plays in the league below. He will post for me if I am still away from my office.
Best,
G.
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| 73 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 11:09
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Guru - are you sure about changing the Team D scoring? I think "B's" won, so, that would be "no change."
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| 74 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 11:14
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Oops. You are right. I was ambivalent about that issue, and decided I would go with the majority in a close vote. I'll fix it.
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| 75 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 11:30
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Greybear - to avoid potential confusion of your team name with Goatlocker's team, I've renamed it from "Vicious Goats" to "Greybear's Vicious Goats"
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| 76 | beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 14:13
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Draft Slots:
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6.
7. bmd
8. Nerfherders
9.
10. Guru
11.
12.
13.
14.
Here are the remaining managers, in order of selection:
9 Greybear
10 youngroman
11 Goatlocker
12 Leggestand
13 Slackjawed Yokels
14 s_R
Greybear is up
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| 77 | Letter_J
ID: 353551013
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 14:20
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As she stated in post 72, Greybear left me with a queue:
Greybear's Vicious Goats will select 9th.
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| 78 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 14:32
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that leaves me with the 11th pick.
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6.
7. bmd
8. Nerfherders
9. Greybear
10. Guru
11. youngroman
12.
13.
14.
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| 79 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 17:04
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I'll take the 6th slot.
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6. GoatLocker
7. bmd
8. Nerfherders
9. Greybear
10. Guru
11. youngroman
12.
13.
14.
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| 80 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 17:25
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I'll take the 12th slot.
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6. GoatLocker
7. bmd
8. Nerfherders
9. Greybear
10. Guru
11. youngroman
12. leggestand
13.
14.
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| 81 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 16:30
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Anyone hear from Yokels?
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| 82 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 17:23
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I just dropped him an email to make sure he knows we're waiting on him.
Cliff
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| 83 | Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 19:07
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I don't usually post and interrupt you guys, but I do frequently read your posts. I was wondering if any of you had culdeus's e-mail address. I haven't been able to find it around here. I know he was very active in RIFC last year and I would like to send him an e-mail inviting him to AAA#2 since he is qualified. If any of you have it and don't mind sharing it could you send me an e-mail. If you don't want to share it and wouldn't mind sending him an e-mail could you attach my address to it, and then he could let me know since I am commishing. He seemed like a stat nut and I wouldn't mind having another one in the league. Thanks for the help!
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| 84 | holt
ID: 41512278
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 19:33
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cpeterso@mail.smu.edu
that's from 2 seasons ago, so...
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| 85 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 052347519
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 22:33
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I'll take 13th... so that set's the order as follows:
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6. GoatLocker
7. bmd
8. Nerfherders
9. Greybear
10. Guru
11. youngroman
12. leggestand
13. Yokels
14. s_R
My bad, I thought I registered the other day at fanball, but apparently just created an account.
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| 86 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 02, 2007, 12:27
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Everybody has joined at Fanball now. Thanks.
Nerfherders has not yet signed up for the draft at Kafenatid.net.
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| 87 | Smith32
Sustainer
ID: 139592519
Sat, Aug 04, 2007, 13:26
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Are there any requirements for position eligibility? Do we just go by whatever position Fanball lists for a given player?
I'm fine with starting the draft around the 15th. My only significant conflict would be Aug 31 - Sept 2, so that shouldn't cause much trouble.
Smith32
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| 88 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 1361448
Sat, Aug 04, 2007, 14:30
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Position eligibility = whatever fanball says on the day you draft the player.
IF fanball should change his position... it'll only be changed IF you drop the player (I believe).
I would have to go back and lookup the Demarcus Ware threads from a few years back.
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| 89 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 1361448
Sat, Aug 04, 2007, 19:19
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I know its kinda early for this... but just wanted to put it out there. If anyone is interested in the 28th/29th overall (3.01 pref) pick in the draft, I'm considering maybe moving down in the 3rd round, for an upgrade in one or more future rounds.
If you have an offer, I'll be watching my Inbox.
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| 90 | leggestand
ID: 5973449
Sat, Aug 04, 2007, 20:04
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I may be interested IAC, but I won't know for sure until we start the draft. Keep me in mind.
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| 91 | judy
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 19:51
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Guru (or anyone who knows!)
How do I set up the flex WR/TE in the AOL scoring rules?
Thanks.
Judy (AA Commish)
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| 92 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 21:08
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Judy - set up WR for a min of 2 and a max of 3.
Set up TE for a min of 1 and a max of 2
[87] - Whatever Fanball lists for eligibility as of the time you draft a player will persist as long as you own that player.
If Fanball changes a player's eligibility, you have the option to accept the new position, but you will then lose the original designation. If you keep the original designation, but then drop the player, any team that picks him up will have to use the new designation.
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| 93 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 1361448
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 09:10
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FYI - Legge... shot you off an email (one found in Fanball), about what I'd be looking for in exchange for 3.01.
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| 94 | Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 10:44
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Sorry to barge in again...
Holt
Fugazi is your brother right? If so can you please let him know that he is up to pick and that he needs to register for kafenatid and our AOL league. I am not sure but he seems unresponsive to e-mail.
The e-mail i have is m**********e@hotmail.com. If there's a better/different e-mail to reach him will you please let me know. Thanks!
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| 95 | holt
ID: 41512278
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 06:40
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ok will do kyle
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| 96 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 10:27
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IAC - got your email. Will respond today.
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| 97 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 11, 2007, 11:06
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I'm leaning toward starting the draft on Thursday, August 16. I assume that date works for everyone?
I will be driving all day on Friday, Aug 17, so I may need someone as a designated picker to call my cell that day, depending on where things stand. Volunteers?
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| 98 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 1361448
Sat, Aug 11, 2007, 11:24
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I don't have anything confirmed yet, but I've heard rumblings, that I might be working out of town starting Wednesday. It'd help me out if someone could take my queue, or if we could start the draft w/o clock a little bit earlier. I really don't need time to think about the #1... it's an automatic.
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| 99 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Aug 11, 2007, 15:25
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Guru,
I should be just fine to help on Friday.
Thursdays are my bad day at work, but usually Fridays are okay.
Would be more than willing to help if that works for you.
Cliff
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