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Subject: RotoGuru Keeper 14
Posted by: Mötley Crüe
- Dude [439372011] Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 18:48
RotoGuru Keeper 14
League consists of the following managers
Guru
Leggestand
Goatlocker
Sludge
Challenger
TB
Mötley Crüe
Hubble
AthleticsGuy
Holt
Doug
Beezer
I_AM_CANADIAN
Barilko6
League Parameters and Rules:
Roster
1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 WR/TE
1 TE
1 K
1 Team def
1 DL
1 LB
1 DB
3 additional IDP (flex)
9 bench
24 Total
Decimal scoring is applied for all categories.
Offense Category Points
(apply only to QB, RB, WR, TE, and K unless otherwise noted)
Passing TD 4
Other TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Passing-2pt conv 1
Other-2pt conv 2
Passing yard 1/25 (i.e., .04 per yard)
Rushing yard 1/10 (i.e., .10 per yard)
Receiving yard 1/10
Punt return yard 1/10 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return yard 1/25 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return 0 (no deduction)
Int, fumbles lost -2
Kicking Points
(apply only to QB, RB, WR, TE, and K)
Extra point made 1
Extra point missed -1
FG under 40 yards 3
FG 40-49 yards 4
FG 50+ yards 5
Missed FG <30 -1
Missed FG 30+ 0
Team Defense Points
(the following points apply only to team defenses)
Sack 1
Interception 2
Fumble recovered 2
TD 6 (excludes TDs on kick or punt returns)
Safety 3
Blocked kick 2
Shutout 10
1-6 defensive points allowed 7
7-13 defensive points allowed 4
14-20 defensive points allowed 1
21-27 defensive points allowed 0
28-34 defensive points allowed -1
35+ defensive points allowed -4
Defensive points allowed exclude TDs scored by the opposing special teams or the opposing defense (i.e., TDs on turnovers, kick/punt returns, or blocked kicks).
Points are assigned for yardage allowed according to the following table:
500+ yards allowed: 0 points
400-499 yards allowed: 1 point
300-399: 2
275-299: 3
250-274: 4
225-249: 5
200-224: 6
175-199: 7
150-174: 8
125-149: 9
under 125: 10
Indiv Defensive Players Points
(the following points apply only to DL, LB, and DB)
Solo Tackle 1
Asst Tackle 0.5
Pass defensed 1
Sack 3 (half sack=1.5)
Interception 3
Fumble forced 2
Fumble recovery 1
TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Safety 3
Unlisted players
During the draft, any player may be drafted, regardless of whether or not the player is listed at the hosting game site. Once the draft is completed, unlisted players may not be added to any roster. This applies for any post-draft waiver processing as well.
In the event that a drafted player is not listed after the draft has completed, a placeholder player will be assigned to the drafting team, to be replaced by the drafted player as soon as he is available.
Priority Claiming
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Schedule
13 week round robin
Doubleheaders all weeks 1-13 (play each team twice)
Single elimination playoffs, weeks 14-16
Trades and trade deadline
During the draft, trades may include draft picks. Trades will normally be approved immediately by the Commissioner, assuming they are reasonably balanced. If league managers believe an announced trade is unbalanced, they should protest the trade ASAP.
After the draft, trades will be subject to a review period. For the first 24 hours following a trade, managers may protest a trade by posting a message at the RotoGuru forum, or by sending an email to the Commissioner. If at least 3 managers protest a trade within 24 hours of its announcement, then all managers will be polled within the next 24 hours. If seven or more managers vote to veto a trade, then it will not be approved. If a proposed trade is announced less than 24 hours before the earliest freeze for any player involved, then the entire trade will not be processed until the following week.
If a trade does not receive at least 3 protests, then it will be effective 24 hours after it is announced. If a trade receives at least 3 protests but the protests are not upheld in a full league vote, then the trade will be processed 48 hours after it is announced.
The trade deadline is 11:30pm EST on November 9.
Playoffs
8 teams
Top 6 W/L records are seeded 1-6
Top remaining total points are seeded 7-8
Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on head-to-head first, then total points
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)
Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) and team defenses may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later.
Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable.
If a playoff game ends in a tie score, the team with the better seed shall advance.
Team which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.
Keepers
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Let’s discuss the keepers and the priority claiming system. I want to get a feel for what managers are interested in doing. After we settle these two major issues, we can field any other issues with the established rules and then get started setting draft positions. I hope to start drafting by the coming weekend, so get your special keeper version draft sheets ready. |
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| 43 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 11:39
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I left a note for Holt in the RIFC Discussion Thread, but got the impression from his last post that he might be out of pocket the better part of the day.
Cliff
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| 44 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 13:00
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Second set of numbers if you don't already have them:
1
8
12
2
5
7
11
3
14
13
4
6
10
9
The more I'm looking at the keeper discussion(especially with a low amount of keepers of 5), the more I just lean to losing the top rounds for each. Meaning, if you keep 3 you lose your first three picks, if you keep 4 you lose your first four picks, etc. It's a pretty simple format. If we do stick with the per draft round/2 or -1 ideas, then I think the traded players should still count for the same picks for the other team. In essence they will all eventually end up as your top picks unless you draft a gem down the road in a later round.
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| 45 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 14:32
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Thanks for the numbers, guys; here's the draft-draft list. Remember, at this point you only choose which draft slot you'd like to pick in. The draft snakes so that the draft order is reversed in even-numbered rounds.
1. holt
2. I AM CANADIAN
3. Mötley Crüe
4. Guru
5. Sludge
6. TB
7. Doug
8. Challenger
9. Beezer
10. leggestand
11. Hubble
12. Athletics Guy
13. Goatlocker
14. boikin
Please post your selections in this thread. Thanks.
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| 46 | leggestand
ID: 217571412
Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 15:15
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Back in town...my votes:
1. A
2. B
As for the draft pick trading discussion, I think MC's post 40 is a good solution. (a) Don't trade draft picks until keepers are declared or (b) if we do allow in season draft pick trading, be cognizant of what draft pick you are trading (when you trade a pick, maybe we post what player(s) on your team cannot be kept in next years draft - so you really know what you are trading?)
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| 47 | Doug
ID: 113132214
Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 16:05
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OK, so it seems the language would be, using an example of a guy drafted round 1 in 2007... that if I keep him in 2008, I would lose my 2008 round 1 draft pick, or else the "next highest available" pick... even if the next highest avaiable pick is actually "lower" than round 1.
If that understanding is correct, and assuming 5 keepers (which seems the consensus thus far)... then I think we'd need to adopt one of these 3 caveats to make the keeper system work (or at least something somewhat akin to one of them):
(a) You can't trade draft picks for 2008 until 2008 keepers have been declared.
(b) You can't trade draft picks in rounds 1-5 for 2008 until 2008 keepers have been declared.
(c) Go ahead and trade future year picks, but the "next highest available" pick option only applies for round 1-5 picks. If you trade away a pick and only have 4 picks in the first 5 rounds... then you would be stuck with only 4 keepers... OR your 5th keeper would have to be someone requiring a "6th round or worse" draft pick to be kept. In other words, your 5th keeper would have to use a draft pick that you actually still have available for forfeiture. You can't use a 6th round or worse pick for a "1st through 5th round" cost keeper (but you CAN use a 5th round pick for a "1st through 5th" round cost keeper).
I use 2008 as an example but obviously this is meant to apply to any future season, not just 2008.
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| 48 | holt
ID: 41512278
Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 20:13
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It pains me to say this. I don't think I can join. This looks like a great league. Great rules, great league members, and I would even have the first pick. My brother and I have talked about getting into a keeper league (probably have to start a new one). I only like to play in one keeper league in each sport, so I better pass on this.
Sorry guys. Should be no problem getting a replacement manager though.
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| 49 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 22:16
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Were these issues addressed:
Suppose you get a player via trade, and then want to keep him. What draft pick is forfeited? Is it the round in which he was drafted by the trading team?
What if you pick up a free agent and then want to keep him? Does that count as a 24th round pick? (Not as silly as it sounds. I picked up Colston as a free agent last year in the RIFC.)
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| 50 | Doug
ID: 441251914
Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 02:05
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Personally I would think that the "pick round" stays with the player when he is traded.
As for the latter question... perhaps there should be a "floor" of like a 12th or 13th round pick or so for players acquired late or via FA? Seems too much of a bonus for last place teams to be able to scoop up a keeper (resetting waiver priority weekly) for a 24th rounder if someone gets injured, etc. during the season. Another possibility would be to make FA pickups ineligible as keepers altogether.
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| 51 | Doug
ID: 441251914
Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 16:11
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What's our status on a holt replacement?
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| 52 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 20:21
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I'm out of alternates. I had invited several people that turned me down and I eventually got boikin to agree to take that last elusive slot. I thought the other 13 were nailed down and I wasn't exactly prepared for this.
I'd like to fill the last spot with a manager who has a few years of RIFC experience at whatever level.
Any suggestions?
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| 53 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 00:12
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MC,
I sent you an email.
See what you think.
Cliff
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| 55 | Hubble
ID: 9313716
Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 08:31
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E-mail sent to MC... i have a replacement.
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| 56 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 19:13
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We have a few leads on the final player. I'm going to try to have that settled by tomorrow morning.
Does anyone have a problem leaving the draft-draft order as it is? I'll put it this way: if you do, please speak up tonight. I think it's fine since it was randomly assigned and I will run with it unless a few of you guys complain.
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| 57 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 19:20
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MC,
Leave it the way it is.
Works fine for me.
Dang, did I say that with the 13th choice ;)
Cliff
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| 58 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 23:24
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I have no problem with it the way it is. I certainly think it will speed up the process in getting the draft started.
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| 59 | leggestand
ID: 87382018
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 07:45
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Agreed.
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| 60 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 10:30
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Yep. We need to get started.
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| 61 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 12:08
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Just got off the phone with Cliff (goatlocker) and will take the slot that opened up. I understand that it is RIFC scoring rules but will be a keeper league. Please send me the sign up info.
I will go back and read this thread after posting this.
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| 62 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 12:20
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Welcome, Tax. Good addition to the league.
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| 63 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 14:11
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Great addition. Seeing how it looks like we dumped the Golden Members league, we can just reconnect here, although I did like the IDP format in that league.
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| 64 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 14:31
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TB and I thinking the same way.
I have been tied up in meetings since Taxman and I got off the phone.
Had MCs buy-in to invite him, and as soon as MC touches base, we should be ready to start picking draft slot.
As was already said, welcome aboard Taxman.
Should be a great league with the group we have.
Cliff
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| 65 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 14:41
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Donny, I emailed you the league ID and password for Kafenatid (even though I spelled that wrong on the email). That way you can get registered for the draft.
Erik, like me, cannot access rotoguru from work so I doubt we hear from him for another 3-4 hours. Websense tell us that "games" are blocked. I used to have a work-around, but no more. I snuck home for lunch today.
If the draft order is set, I think we just need a final ruling on keepers and waiver wire format and then get this bad boy started.
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| 66 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 14:43
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I'd like to throw this out there...instead of doing a draft pick draft, why don't we just say the order in Post 45 is the actual draft order?
It should expedite the process a little bit and allow us to start drafting sooner.
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| 67 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 14:49
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66 works for me, and should save us a day or better getting going.
Cliff
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| 68 | The Beezer
ID: 47755711
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 15:09
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Agreed with legge and GL.
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| 69 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 16:56
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I am registered in kafenatid for the draft. Sent my phone number to Motley crue, TB and also GoatLocker has it.
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| 70 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 17:22
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Post 66 OK with me ....or I pick the first draft slot.
For what it is worth..I am absolutely enamored with keepers tied to draft choices im ensuing year. Any plan encompassing that works for me.
This is more of a thought than a vote or position on the WR issue. My style has been similar to IAC...meaning I use the waiver wire most every week. I also see that the bidding system will add interesting value scenarios in light of the off week scheduling problems, break out performances, injuries, arrest warrants etc. I think a bidding system would be fun, but to combine both, maybe each team can be awarded a "WR Credit" equal to their standing in the league that week (or on odd numbered weeks). IE 1st place gets one additional credit...10th place gets 10 additional credits. Such a plan would tilt the table in favor of the teams with the worst record (ability to bid high credits each week) but I don't see that as bad.
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| 71 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 18:38
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KEEPER RULES
The keeper rules are based on the leggestand proposal (first mentioned in post #9 above).
Each player chosen in Year X and kept in subsequent years will require a manager to forfeit a draft pick in the corresponding Year-X-draft-round the player was chosen in for the year X+1 draft. Beginning in year X+2, keeping the same player will result in the loss of a pick corresponding to the pick from Year X divided in half, rounded down to the nearest whole number. This division and rounding shall apply each subsequent year (X+3, X+4) until keeping a player requires forfeiting a first round pick every year.
In simple terms, a player drafted this year may be kept by forfeiting the corresponding round's draft pick in the 2008 draft. Starting in 2009, the price changes to wherever the guy was chosen the previous year, divided in half and round down. This goes on until a player requires forfeiture of a first round pick to keep each year.
If there are two or more players that achieve first round keeper status, they may be kept in exchange for forfeiting the same number of picks at the front of the draft. Keep 3 first round players, forfeit the first 3 picks. Keep 5, forfeit the first 5 picks.
If two players on the same team and drafted in the same round are kept, one of them counts as the next lowest draft pick in the subsequent draft. If three players on the same team have identical draft rounds, then the three may be kept the following year at the expense of the round halved and rounded down, plus the two straddling rounds.
Players that are traded maintain their draft spot for the purposes of determining keeper status. If you trade your 12th round pick, he will count as a 12th rounder for the acquiring team when it comes time to determine keepers.
I think it makes sense to allow undrafted players to be kept with the 24th round pick. It will only happen one time, and then the next year the player becomes a 12th round pick. That seems a good incentive for the teams with the worst records to continue scouting at the end of the season.
I'm of the mind that all players who are waived automatically garner 'undrafted' status. For the purposes of assigning them a keeper round the following year, it would be as if they were never drafted, even if the same manager re-acquires the player.
EVERYTHING ELSE
The RIFC rules regarding Free Agency and Waiver transactions are in effect. There likely will not be time to run a waiver period after the draft, so I'm going to forgo that.
I will set the draft order in Kafenatid in a few minutes and later tonight I will post the Fanball league sign up information. We'll be using Fanball Commissioner. This should be just like RIFC, for the most part.
Thanks everyone for your input and help getting things running. And thank you especially for being patient while I worked things out.
Have I forgotten anything?
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| 72 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 18:48
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Two things.
I just started the draft. Taxman is on the clock. I set it at 8 hours, but we're going to have to go much faster than that if we hope to finish in time for the season. I'd like to encourage everyone to leave a queue whenever possible.
I would like to trade down from the 3rd spot. Anyone from 4-7 preferred. E-mail me if you're interested.
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| 73 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 1361448
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 19:04
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Perfect. I'll try to use queue's as much as possible. I have set you up as designated picker MC... also, my queue for round 1 is ready.
Also... maybe we should make a new thread in the "leagues" forum?
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| 74 | leggestand
ID: 87382018
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 21:18
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Good work, MC, and good job to all on getting this started and sorted out. Looking forward to it. MC, I'll trade you pick 10 if you are interested.
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| 75 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 21:35
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Ditto all on good job getting there and getting this going.
Cliff
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| 76 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 21:45
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I've e-mailed you an offer, leggestand.
Designated Pickers: I can do this all weekend starting Friday evening and going through all day Monday. Other days are not very good for me. Like tomorrow, I will have no access until 6 PM EST.
I recommend using boikin as a DP. He's able to access the site from work. Any other volunteers that aren't very busy or have their hands tied by website-blocking software?
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| 77 | leggestand
ID: 87382018
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 21:55
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Just saw it. That's fine, and I figure that'd be the price. I'd prefer to give up 6th, but I hope I can deal with just losing 6 picks for the guy I want here.
MC and I are swapping 1st, 2nd, and 4th rounders. Once you confirm, I'll give my pick.
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| 78 | leggestand
ID: 87382018
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 21:57
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I have access at work. Weekdays are easier for me to be DP rather than weekends, but anyone can use much as much as they need me.
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| 79 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 21:57
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Confirmed. I'm headed over to Kafenatid to make the changes.
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| 80 | leggestand
ID: 87382018
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 21:59
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I am glad to be at the top of one draft (at least for the first round). I am in 5 leagues this year besides the Rotoguru 14, and the draft order has not fallen my way in 2007:
12th pick
9th pick
9th pick
9th pick
10th pick
I at least get to choose from a top RB in one league.
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| 81 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 22:00
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I also have access at work.
Thurs can be a tough day due to meetings, but as a rule of thumb I'm not away very long.
Also usually good to go on weekends.
Now, all that said, I will not have access in the evenings from 28 Aug to 4 Sept.
Going camping and they don't have WiFi.
Don't expect it to be an issue though.
Cliff
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| 82 | leggestand
ID: 87382018
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 22:03
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I heart Addai this year and will keep him on my team forever.
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| 83 | leggestand
ID: 87382018
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 22:09
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I created a discussion thread in the Football Standings Forum here:
Keeper 14
We should probably use that for now on (as mentioned by IAC).
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| 84 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 22:12
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Does anyone have a problem with a 12AM to 6AM EST draft pause? I don't want anybody to get snagged on an overnight pick. I think we can manage this to the point where we finish by the NOR-IND game.
By the way, I wanted to toss this out there. I know it'll be tough to do, but what are your feelings on all of us meeting here at some point in the next two weeks and trying to knock out a few rounds over 2 or 3 hours? I mean, yeah, it's tough getting 14 guys together all at once and in one place online. But do you guys think this is a possibility worth pursuing?
I'm thinking very late on a Saturday. This one or next. Something like that.
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| 85 | leggestand
ID: 87382018
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 22:18
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1) Draft Pause: agree
2) Late Saturdays work for me, or any weeknights after 8est (before 11).
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| 86 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 22:31
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This Saturday would work for me, next wouldn't, that's Labor Day weekend.
But, would love to see us get as far as possible.
Pause works for me.
As long as I check before I call it a nite, the 3 AM start for me is okay.
I do get up at 5:30 anyway.
Cliff
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| 87 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 22:33
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Saturdays are not good for me, but as long as we knock out 2 rounds every day starting tomorrow, we'll be golden. I'd recommend shortening the clock to 6 hours though to keep things moving, and we might have to go to 4 hours the past few days if we lose pace.
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| 88 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 23:22
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I just got home from work (lots of comp time earned today) and see I am up.
I agree with everything said and am available at anytime on weekends. Work is a bit busy for me for the rest of this week and tomorrow night I won't be home between 6-11pm, but for the rest of the draft I will be around.
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| 89 | Doug
ID: 113132214
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 00:09
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I'm very available the next few days, but starting next Monday I'm likely to be very unavailable... I'll be on a full-time consulting gig out in Vegas and not sure how regular my access will be. Might need to coordinate by phone with someone if the work situation gets too heavy.
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| 90 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 00:10
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I knew you were going to take Bush. You knew I knew you were going to take Bush.
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| 91 | Doug
ID: 113132214
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 02:06
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Ah, but did you know that I knew you knew, or are you just figuring that out now? ;)
Sorry to do it to ya 2 drafts in a row. Kinda. =p
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| 92 | Doug
ID: 113132214
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 03:23
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Oh wait, you picked before me! LOL. Yeah, I hear that Manning kid ain't half bad. Still, I'm glad you took him. I have a few other keeper/dynasty leagues (Peyton in one of 'em), but this is my first chance to get RB as my one of my RBs.
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| 93 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 08:30
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We should restrict our posts to the draft discussion thread now
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