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0 Subject: Gurupie 24 2007 Preseason Discussion II

Posted by: Ref
- Donor [539581218] Mon, Aug 13, 2007, 17:02

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Time for a new thread as we prepare for our Keepers and drafts.
1Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 13, 2007, 17:09
Keeper thread is up.
2Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 14, 2007, 01:24
We've killed the actual flex designation experiment. It's back to the way we've always done it.

First and formost reason being that in testing, the flex designation scores 0 points. CBS says they are aware of this and will be fixed by the start of the season, but if it's not, we have to go back and change it then and then go back and retroactively redo everyone's lineup.

NO RULE HAS CHANGED! ;)

All you have to do is make your uy active or reserve, you don't have to set their position anymore. As a reminder, you must have a min of one and max of 3 rbs, wrs and tes. One min and 2 max of dl, lb, db.

Besides the scoring testing, the lineup page looked ugly with that flex designation and not even putting them together. Even the roster grid changed a flex player from what position he really played.
5Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 00:06
IDP Draft Order
  Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4
1 Yokel's Jaguars thk's Vikings Yokel's Jaguars thk's Vikings
2 sw's Chiefs ds' Eagles sw's Chiefs ds' Eagles
3 Slizz's Bills Bmd's Texans Slizz's Bills Bmd's Texans
4 GO's Jets TB's Ravens GO's Jets TB's Ravens
5 StL Cards' 49ers Peter's Cowboys StL Cards' 49ers Peter's Cowboys
6 CCR's Bears bj21's Rams CCR's Bears bj21's Rams
7 Coyotes' Broncos Twarpy's Giants Coyotes' Broncos Twarpy's Giants
8 SJ's Packers PD's Browns SJ's Packers PD's Browns
9 Doug's Raiders mbj's Bengals Doug's Raiders mbj's Bengals
10 Promize's Seahawks AF's Falcons Promize's Seahawks AF's Falcons
11 CT's Cardinals Ref's Colts CT's Cardinals Ref's Colts
12 mjd's Chargers Toral's Saints mjd's Chargers Toral's Saints
13 Toral's Saints mjd's Chargers Toral's Saints mjd's Chargers
14 Ref's Colts CT's Cardinals Ref's Colts CT's Cardinals
15 AF's Falcons Promize's Seahawks AF's Falcons Promize's Seahawks
16 mbj's Bengals Doug's Raiders mbj's Bengals Doug's Raiders
17 PD's Browns SJ's Packers PD's Browns SJ's Packers
18 Twarpy's Giants Coyotes' Broncos Twarpy's Giants Coyotes' Broncos
19 bj21's Rams CCR's Bears bj21's Rams CCR's Bears
20 Peter's Cowboys StL Cards' 49ers Peter's Cowboys StL Cards' 49ers
21 TB's Ravens GO's Jets TB's Ravens GO's Jets
22 Bmd's Texans Slizz's Bills Bmd's Texans Slizz's Bills
23 ds' Eagles sw's Chiefs ds' Eagles sw's Chiefs
24 thk's Vikings Yokel's Jaguars thk's Vikings Yokel's Jaguars
6Doug
      ID: 441251914
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 13:30
Anybody interested in acquiring Terry Glenn to upgrade one of your skill position keepers? Would be looking for a draft pick upgrade in return (in the supplemental and/or IDP drafts).
7 Doug
      ID: 441251914
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 13:34
<- making email addy handy
8TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 15:46
Baltimore Ravens trade Josh Brown and their 4th round supplemental IDP draft pick to the St. Louis Rams in exchange for their 3rd round IDP supplemental IDP draft pick.
9Doug
      ID: 441251914
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 16:29
I'm confused... are you swapping in the IDP draft (4 rounds total) or supplemental draft (7 rounds total)?

Also, K Neil Rackers is available (as well as Terry Glenn) for a draft pick swap (similar to what was executed above).
10TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 17:06
I am even more confused, lol. I assumed the IDP draft was what he meant when he said supplemental, but whatever draft he says we are swapping picks in is good enough for me.

I choose to call them IDP draft and regular draft from this point forward.

=)
11blackjackis21
      ID: 117381816
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 17:40
Trade agreed - my 3rd round pick in the regular/supplemental/notIDP draft to TB for Josh Brown and his 4th round pick in the regular/supplemental/notIDP draft.

Thanks.
12Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 17:40
This is the offer that TB sent to bj21 that was accepted and I just approed:

Offer: This includes my 4th round pick for your 3rd round pick in the regular draft.

Response: Thanks!

So I took that to mean Supplemental Draft (not IDP draft).
13TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 17:44
Yep, looks like we are all in agreement. Thanks for the quick action on that as well, Ref.
14TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 17:48
Just for reference, the "IDP draft" would be considered a supplemental draft. I can see where we could call our regular draft a supplemental draft (to complete the whole and all), but that would be similar to the NFL calling every regular draft a supplemental draft as well. It is just the annual draft. Their supplemental draft is a lot different, but I suppose we all know that.
15Doug
      ID: 441251914
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 18:49
IMHO, the NFL "regular draft" is typically referred to as the "rookie draft". True dynasty leagues typically have a similar annual "rookie draft". You can't draft free-agent vets in these drafts.

In the case of a keeper league, you keep some players from the prior year, and then you supplement your roster by drafting both rookies AND veteran free agents each year in the annual "supplemental draft".

For a keeper or dynasty league, there is also the "initial draft" which only takes place the first year of the league. We're adding IDP's to our keeper league mid-stream, so it's basically an "initial IDP draft", or just "IDP draft" for short (as distinct from our annual "supplemental draft" which will follow).

Just my .02 from my non-g24 experience. The NFL does actually have a distinct "supplemental draft"... which involves rookies who weren't in the "rookie draft" for a variety of reasons. Hope that's clear as mud.
16Doug
      ID: 113132214
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 03:18
Trade Annoucement

Promize's 2.02 for Doug's 2.13 and Green Bay D/ST

There will be a ceremonial burning of Promize's Detroit D/ST held at 3:30 this afternoon.

We ask that you not bring flowers, please... instead make a donation to the "Stop Matt Millen from drafting 1st round WRs!!!" fund.

Refreshments will be available afterwards in the social hall. Look forward to seeing you all there.
17Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 06:41
Nothing can be worse then what I have had to put up with for the last two years and the Lions Defense. Even with the Packers tough schedule this year, perhaps they will atleast score in the positive numbers instead of consistently taking points AWAY from my team each week.
18blackjackis21
      ID: 117381816
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 14:30
Trade Announcement
blackjackis21 (Rams) send IDP draft picks 2.06 and 4.06 to Doug (Raiders) for Terry Glenn and IDP draft picks 2.16 and 4.16.
19Doug
      ID: 113132214
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 15:19
Raider's owner Al Davis on the Terry Glenn trade:

I decided to trade Terry Glenn when I realized he was older than me.

;)

Actually, I think he's in for another good year... just had a different direction I wanted to go.
20deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 17:34
Ref or Cards - just for my own understanding, this is the only year there will be a Supplemental draft for the IDPs. They wil be included in the Annual draft in 2008 (next year) and will be drafted along with rookies, and all non-keepers? Correct?
21StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 17:41
correct, this is the only year for a separate IDP draft.
22deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 17:47
thx Cards
23Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 18:34
This is the INITIAL Draft for IDPs.

Just a reminder that only IDPs may be drafted in the IDP draft. The Supplemental Draft allows you to pick anyone in the CBS database who will play in our league. So if some hot DB prospect suddenly shows himself after the IDP Draft, You can draft him in the first round of the S-Draft if you wish. Again, IDPs MAY BE DRAFTED in the S-Draft.

If you're considering trading away a pick for next year's draft, remember it will be 10 rounds long. 19 players, 9 Keepers.

Think the last three traded draft picks are stated correclty in the rules. Looks like bj21 has went nuts lately with trades, Good job bro.
24Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 18:54
Anyone making last minute Keeper trades, remember, your deal has to be approved by Cards or I BY 11:59 PM tonight. I am not sure if either or both of us will be on at that time, but we typically are. But try and finish up your deals as early as possible just in case.
25Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 19:12
Also believe there are three managers who still need to post their keeps and drops in the keeper thread.
26smallwhirled
      ID: 5378169
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 20:01
Hey Slizz, I took that trade offer tonight.

I'm sure Cards or Ref will approve it by then.
27Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 22:16
Approved.

Slizz and SW swap first round picks 1.10 and 1.11 (Morency/Clemens)
28Great One
      ID: 201155199
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 22:20
Slizz, I think the reason you can't self edit it is because it goes by IP address so you probably posted the other one at work and obviously you are at home now.
29TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 22:22
There's no real self-edit function other than deleting a post.

Raiders and Vikings, who are your keepers?
30Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 22:31
GO, I emailed him the same thing.

I went in and checked the boxes for the traded players for SW and Slizz as it's obvious they are keeping those guys just in case they went to bed for the night. They can fix their keepers in that thread after the fact if need be. Both were keepers for their respective teams so this deal didn't even need to be done by tonight. But since it was made, they ahd to be checked or the site would have wiped them.
31Doug
      ID: 441251914
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 01:47
TB, I'm waiting until midnight... I just got home and still have one trade I was trying to get completed, but with only a bit over an hour left he may already be gone for the night.
32Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 052347519
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 08:01
I believe the IDP draft starts today. You can put DeMeco Ryans - Houston Texans, LB as the first pick for me.

That way you don't have to wait on me being around.
33Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 10:40
I am drafting IDP's for Twarpy. When and where will this draft be?
34Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 10:59
Working on the draft right now. It will be in the football leagues thread and will start approx. at Noon ET (may be able to get it started a little earlier). I have some Qs and others who are telling me they are ready now.

It appears that only thk failed to post keepers (Doug forgot we use ET). We need to go through it and make sure everything matches etc. but since it has no bearing on IDP draft, we're going to mess with that later.
35 deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 11:38
I deleted posts 1,5, & 12 in the keeper thread last night to get rid of the duplicate posts by GO, Slizz & myself. I thought I posted that in here last night, but it was during Big Bro after dark and I must have been distracted. ;)
36Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 11:49
Thanks DS.

Draft thread is open. I am going to post Yokel's pick.
37Slizz
      ID: 21733916
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 11:51
Deepsnapper, thank you for doing so. I logged into my PC this morning and was like umm...where did it go!?!?! But GO and Ref were correct in saying I can only edit posts from the computer/IP I posted from.

Also, for those interested: I am willing to package LenDale White & Julius Jones for a upgrade at runningback (Willis McGahee/Ronnie Brown caliber/level). I feel that is a reasonable price for two starting RBs.

Nevertheless, best of luck to all in the IDP draft and I look forward to a successful run in this league!

38Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 12:03
Guys - I am too lazy to go through the threads to find out the exact IDP rules.....but if I understand it correctly, you must draft at least one of: DL, LB and DB. You may then draft a fourth of any of the 3, correct???
39Doug
      ID: 441251914
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 12:06
Well, those are you must start each week. You can draft whoever you want though. And you have the option to draft additional IDPs in the supplemental draft as well... so you aren't limited to starting the season with just the 4 that you'll be drafting here in the initial IDP draft.
40Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 12:09
LOL Species!

I thought he gave you a Q, but he's making you draft for him? UGH!

Yeah, one starter aat each position and one flex who can play any of the three.

We're moving to the Football Legaues Discussion Thread since the draft has started.
41 Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 12:19
Looking to deal 1.04 IDP pick for a supp pick.
42deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 14:32
GO - how come your post in #31 in the keepers thread looks exactly like Slizz's post of his keepers in #28? When you reposted keepers, I deleted your post #1. I am cornfused.

Please help an old man.....

ds
43Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 14:45
I re-posted keepers on Slizz's behalf because there was a midnight trade last night.

My post #1 were my own keepers I guess.
44deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 14:53
It's my bad they're gone. I saw the double post in your name of keepers and deleted it, I'm sorry. I have printed H/C from yesterday & today so I have everything
45Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 14:57
Yeah post 28 should have been deleted I htink and not post 1.

So we need GO's and thk's keepers posted. I am not sure who thk's dropped players are so would like him to do so. We have messaged and emailed him multiple times so he must be tied up. His players were checked on CBS so it's just a formality.
46deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 07:03
Ref - I deleted post 31 of GO and reposted the players from his original post #1. Easier than asking Dave for a thread restore for 1 post.
47Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 10:53
DS - next time give me some better players when you re-post - those guys stink! :)
48Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 21, 2007, 11:11
Yeah, that's not right. 31 was correct. 28 is not correct because Morency was traded. So 28 needs to be deleted and VM replaced with Kellen Clemens. I guess I need to post for thk, but I don't know who his drops were. He just timed out of his two picks in the draft, so ds you are up.
49Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 17:23
  Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7
1 ds' Eagles PD's Browns PD's Browns PD's Browns PD's Browns PD's Browns PD's Browns
2 Twarpy's Giants Doug's Raiders Promize's Seahawks Promize's Seahawks Promize's Seahawks Promize's Seahawks Promize's Seahawks
3 Promize's Seahawks Coyotes' Broncos Peter's Cowboys Peter's Cowboys Peter's Cowboys Peter's Cowboys Peter's Cowboys
4 PD's Browns Twarpy's Giants Twarpy's Giants Twarpy's Giants Twarpy's Giants Twarpy's Giants Twarpy's Giants
5 Peter's Cowboys Yokel's Jaguars Yokel's Jaguars Yokel's Jaguars Yokel's Jaguars Yokel's Jaguars Yokel's Jaguars
6 Yokel's Jaguars SJ's Packers SJ's Packers SJ's Packers SJ's Packers SJ's Packers SJ's Packers
7 sw's Chiefs mjd's Chargers mjd's Chargers mjd's Chargers mjd's Chargers mjd's Chargers mjd's Chargers
8 mjd's Chargers Toral's Saints Toral's Saints Toral's Saints Toral's Saints Toral's Saints Toral's Saints
9 Toral's Saints Slizz's Bills Slizz's Bills Slizz's Bills Slizz's Bills Slizz's Bills Doug's Raiders
10 sw's Chiefs ds' Eagles ds' Eagles ds' Eagles ds' Eagles ds' Eagles ds' Eagles
11 Slizz's Bills sw's Chiefs SJ's Packers sw's Chiefs sw's Chiefs sw's Chiefs sw's Chiefs
12 CT's Cardinals CT's Cardinals CT's Cardinals CT's Cardinals CT's Cardinals CT's Cardinals CT's Cardinals
13 Doug's Raiders Promize's Seahawks thk's Vikings GO's Jets Doug's Raiders Doug's Raiders Doug's Raiders
14 GO's Jets GO's Jets TB's Ravens GO's Jets StL Cards' 49ers thk's Vikings thk's Vikings
15 AF's Falcons AF's Falcons AF's Falcons AF's Falcons AF's Falcons AF's Falcons AF's Falcons
16 Ref's Colts Ref's Colts Ref's Colts Ref's Colts StL Cards' 49ers TB's Ravens Ref's Colts
17 bmd's Texans bmd's Texans bmd's Texans bmd's Texans bmd's Texans bmd's Texans bmd's Texans
18 GO's Jets thk's Vikings Slizz's Bills thk's Vikings GO's Jets thk's Vikings thk's Vikings
19 bj21's Rams bj21's Rams TB's Ravens bj21's Rams bj21's Rams bj21's Rams bj21's Rams
20 Ref's Colts thk's Vikings TB's Ravens bj21's Rams TB's Ravens TB's Ravens TB's Ravens
21 mbj's Bengals mbj's Bengals mbj's Bengals mbj's Bengals mbj's Bengals mbj's Bengals mbj's Bengals
22 StL Cards' 49ers GO's Jets Ref's Colts StL Cards' 49ers StL Cards' 49ers StL Cards' 49ers StL Cards' 49ers
23 CCR's Bears CCR's Bears CCR's Bears CCR's Bears CCR's Bears CCR's Bears CCR's Bears
24 Coyotes' Broncos Coyotes' Broncos Peter's Cowboys Coyotes' Broncos Coyotes' Broncos Coyotes' Broncos Coyotes' Broncos
Picks Altered Due to Draft Lottery
Pick Traded
Pick Traded Twice
50Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 17:23
XIV Traded Draft Picks:

10-26 GO's Jets receive TB's Ravens 2nd round pick (Smith/Dolphins DST)
11-4 THK's VIkings receive Doud's Raiders' 3rd round pick (Gerrard)
11-5 Doug's Raiders receive thk's 5th rounder (Moats)
11-7 Coyotes' Broncos receive Pete's Cowboys second round pick for Coyote's third round pick
11-10 GO's Jets receive Cards' 49ers' 2nd rounder for his 5th rounder (Thomas/49ers DST)
11-28 Ref's Colts gets TB's Ravens 1st round draft pick for Ref's 6th rounder. It also includes a conditional 2008 2nd round draft pick for Ref's 2008 6th round draft pick if Tiki Barber plays 6 or more games in 2007. (Tiki Barber/Bell,Houston)
11-28 Ref's Colts receives Cards' 49ers 3rd rounder for his 5th (Garcia/Nash)
11-28 sw's Chiefs get sj's Packers 1st rounder for his 3rd round pick (williams/colston for mcnair/dillon)
11-29 thk's Vikings receives TB's Ravens 2nd round pick from GO's Jets (M.Barber/Vinatieri,Chambers)
4-3 TB's Ravens acquires GO's Jets 3rd round pick (Jets)
8-9 GO's Jets acquires THK's Vikings 2007 1st and 3rd, Round Picks for his 6th and 7th Rounders
8-18 TB gets BJ21's 3 rd rounder for his 4th (Brown)
8-19 Seahawks Offers his 2.02 Pick / Raiders Offers his 2.13 Pick (GB DSST)
8-19 Doug's IDP 2.16 and 4.16 for bj21's IDP 2.06 and 4.06 (Glenn)
8-19 Slizz an SW swap first round picks 1.10 and 1.11 (Morency/Clemens)
8-20 Slizz acquires GO's 3rd Supp (via THK) --- GO acquires Slizz's 7.09 pick (Hawk/Merriman)
8-21 Doug gets GOs pick 7.09 for his 4.13 and 5.18 as well as IDP pick 4.06 (Winfield and 08 swaps)

08 Traded Picks
11-28-06 Ref gets from TB a conditional 2008 2nd round draft pick for Ref's 2008 6th round draft pick if Tiki Barber plays 6 or more games in 2007. (Tiki Barber/Bell,Houston)
8-21-07 Doug gets GO's 3rd rounder for his 6th (Winfield)
Last Updated 8/21/07
51Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 22:41
Is scoring working correctly?

Might want to check the flex position of DL-DB-LB
My guy Revis had 2 Assist Tackles and 1 Tackle, 0 points?

Noticed Vikings Greenway had a similiar problem with 2 tackles 0 points?

Or am I missing something?
52Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 23:13
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