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Subject: Heisman Watch? Posted by: Promize - [8857295] Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 08:39 So who is your candidate now for the Heisman? I think McFadden without a doubt "should" be, but with his team having 2 losses this year, really going to be tough. A. Woodson took a big hit this week in his quest.. No possible way in my opinion that TeBow should be recognized anymore this year. Colt B. got hurt yesterday. I'm bias for my love of Mizzou, but Chase Daniels should get a lot more attention being 6-0 and basically running over Nebraska. Their schedule might hurt them though.. Still up in the air? | |||||||
| 1 | Uptown Bombers ID: 325212517 Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 11:36 | Matt Ryan should be included in the discussion. | ||||||
| 2 | TacoJohn ID: 507502811 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 10:52 |
Aqib Talib of Kansas... please? 5 TDs in 5 games for a DB who dabbles at WR. Led the Big XII with 6 INTs last year and already has 3 in 5 games this year. Led the nation last year with 2.8 passes defended/gm. Yes, I realize I'm dreaming here, but not any worse than this Chase Daniels crap. | ||||||
| 3 | Promize ID: 8857295 Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 16:51 | LOL Figures that last comment come from a Jayhawk | ||||||
| 4 | TacoJohn ID: 507502811 Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 12:17 |
At least the guy I mentioned is considered by most everyone to be the best in the country at his position even if it is on defense. The correct answers, in order: Darren McFadden Mike Hart Colt Brennan DeSean Jackson Andre Woodson | ||||||
| 5 | Slizz ID: 21733916 Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 13:56 |
RE: Chase Daniels. If he continues his run despite scheduling, he will be going to New York. All it is gonna take is a Big 12 BCS Berth to do so. I use the K.I.S.S. model - Keep it Simple Stupid. If Ray Rice can be a heisman candidate when he wasnt even the best player on his squad combined with Rutgers' creampuff schedule...there is no reason that Chase Daniels wont be mentioned as a top contender. RE: Matt Ryan, you know what...he should be mentioned, but like I said in my other posts...we'll see what BC is made of in the next 5 weeks. ND, VT, CLE, FSU, MD all back 2 back. If Ryan navigates BC through those games at 4-1 or even 5-0...he is the heisman winner. nobody ever saw that coming. The way USF plays, you could also make a case for Matt Grothe. His only knock would be the interceptions...bottom line though, at the end of the game, Grothe put em in a position to win. Also, the WVU tandem of Slaton/White...they would need to run the table for serious contention though. However, my heisman vote is going to DeSean Jackson. He is the x-factor and main reason Cal is #2 in the Rankings. Better football player? McFadden, no doubt...better Heisman candidate? DeSean. Just like Desmond Howard... | ||||||
| 6 | TacoJohn ID: 422551921 Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 22:12 |
Well, it wasn't as good as when Brad Smith had negative 41 rushing yards against the 'Hawks in 04, but tonight was a nice ending to the Mizzou QB Heisman thing. In the interest of being fair and balanced, our DB finally went a game without scoring, so I guess I was wrong also. | ||||||
| 7 | Promize ID: 8857295 Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 07:26 | Funny, with Oregons loss last night Chase Daniels becomes the front runner for Heisman now. | ||||||
| 8 | Slizz ID: 21733916 Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 10:50 |
Chase for Heisman. Hes been the only consistent player all year! Even in their one loss to Oklahoma, the guy played with a really bad injury and still put up decent #'s. If he completes the "upset" of KU (although it really wouldnt be an upset), its his. Ryan fell off, McFadden just didnt bring it like last year and by default, he deserves it. Only other player could be Pat White or Steve Slaton...please remind me if I am forgetting anyone else! | ||||||
| 9 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 12:03 |
Jason Whitlock FOXSports.com, Updated 18 hours ago OK, I'm bored with the NFL this week. I'd prefer to use this Thursday afternoon to straighten out college football's Heisman Trophy race. There are only three legitimate Heisman candidates. I know, I know, every time you turn on ESPN or a college football game, there's a different broadcaster stumping for a different Heisman candidate. Everybody wants to say something sexy and different. To some degree, the debate has been both healthy and silly. We've probably had 20 different Heisman "front-runners." When Kentucky was rolling in September, everyone overlooked Andre Woodson's awkward throwing motion and slow feet and considered him not only the No. 1 pick in the draft but a definite Heisman finalist. Well, six picks and a three-losses-in-four-games stretch derailed Woodson's bandwagon and attention turned to Boston College's Matt Ryan. The second coming of Doug Flutie tossed five INTs in back-to-back losses to Florida State and Maryland, and since then Bob Ryan has received more Heisman hype than Matt. It's been that kind of year for Heisman hotshots and top-ranked teams. No one can handle the pressure of being discussed as America's best. The minute we anoint some pretender the pretender quits pretending. Remember when South Florida and its quarterback, Matt Grothe, were national title and Heisman contenders? Ohio State quarterback Todd Boeckman and some Buckeye linebacker I can't remember have both had their names momentarily thrown in the Heisman discussion. Right now, there's growing support for Oregon's Dennis Dixon and Missouri's Chase Daniel. Some people still want to turn Hawaii's Colt Brennan into Andre Ware or Danny Wuerffel. Just stop. Given the insanity of this football season, let's make the Heisman race simple. Give it to the best football player. Not the most valuable player on the best team. Not the player who has accumulated the best stats. Not the quarterback who has led his team to the most victories. Let's give it to the best football player in the college game. There are three candidates: LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey; Florida quarterback Tim Tebow; and Arkansas running back Darren McFadden. No. I'm not a homer for the SEC. I prefer the Big 12, Big 10 and the MAC (Nate Davis for the 2009 Heisman Trophy). You could argue, especially with Dorsey and McFadden, these are the only three players who would start at their natural positions on every team in the country. Seriously, when I heard someone mention Boeckman for the Heisman my reaction was: "If you're not the best quarterback in your conference, how can you win the Heisman?" Hey, I'm not going to beat up college kids. All of the alleged candidates have had super years. But we're talking about the Heisman Trophy, and we might as well give it to a great player this year rather than a good player with great stats or a good player on a great team. OK, I'll make the case for Dorsey, Tebow and McFadden. Dorsey: He's the most dominant college defensive tackle since Warren Sapp terrorized Miami opponents. Sapp should've won the Heisman but didn't land in the top five in 1994, the year Rashaan Salaam and Ki-Jana Carter finished 1-2. The same crime shouldn't be visited on Dorsey, who cannot be blocked one-on-one at the collegiate level. You already know Auburn's frustrated offensive linemen tried to maim Dorsey with a chop block on the back of his knees. His demand of a double team sets the table for the rest of LSU's swarming defense. Dorsey has 11.5 tackles for loss, six sacks and 53 tackles. Those are spectacular numbers for a defensive tackle who requires special attention. Of course we know the Tigers are ranked No. 1 and in position to win the national championship. So Heisman voters can satisfy themselves by giving the award to the best player on the best team, too. Tebow: The white Vince Young may not be a great pro — I don't like his throwing motion — but Tebow is absolutely perfect for the college game, especially the spread offense. Tebow is an athletic freak. He's big and thick enough to play fullback. He's not an elusive runner, but he's the best "short yardage" quarterback in the history of the game. With a minimum of three games to play, Tebow is on pace to throw 25-30 TDs and run for 20-plus TDs. That is incredible! Vince Young had 26 and 12 during his remarkable senior season. Tebow is moving into uncharted territory. We've never seen a QB like him. He's going to throw for 3,000 yards. He'll lead the Gators in rushing and has an outside shot at cracking 1,000 yards. He's completed 67 percent of his passes and thrown just five INTs. He's doing it in the SEC. Wow. McFadden: The best-kept secret in college football is that D. Mac is having a better 2007 than 2006, when he finished second in Heisman voting to Troy Smith. McFadden is on pace to rush for an additional 100 yards this season. Yes, McFadden's 321-yard outburst against South Carolina boosted his 2007 numbers. But he only rushed for 102 more yards this year against the Gamecocks as opposed to last season. McFadden's candidacy has been hurt by two factors outside his control: The Razorbacks don't have a passing game and McFadden shares the load with game-breaker Felix Jones. McFadden has cracked 30 carries just twice this season. Arkansas' anemic passing attack makes it easy for defenses to overplay Arkansas' running game. Despite that, McFadden is averaging 5.9 yards per carry. For three straight years, Adrian Peterson was the best player in college football, and we kept finding excuses (injuries and you can't give a freshman the trophy) not to give him the Heisman Trophy. Well, Peterson deserved the award in 2004 (Matt Leinart). People are looking for excuses to deny McFadden. It's stupid. | ||||||
| 10 | Slizz ID: 21733916 Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 10:52 |
http://www.stiffarmtrophy.com/ Looks like Tim Tebow has it all but locked up if the information on there proves to be correct. | ||||||
| 11 | Promize ID: 8857295 Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 17:50 |
Oh, it was a given after the Mizz / OK game... Watching last weekends coverage all the announcers were basically saying, Daniels wins, you gotta think long and hard about his chances, he loses, its Tebows... Rest is history I'm afraid... Will be interesting next year for sure. | ||||||
| 12 | Tree ID: 14119620 Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 21:15 | man, is it just me, or is there a seeming lack of interest this year in the Heisman? | ||||||
| 13 | Mike D Leader ID: 041831612 Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 21:47 | Definite lack of interest. Seems the general feeling is not only that there wasn't a clear cut candidate----which can be a good thing too----but that no one is deserving. | ||||||
| 14 | J Leader ID: 049346417 Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 22:27 | I've got a lack of interest mainly because a gayturd is gonna probably gonna win it :( | ||||||
| 15 | Mike D Leader ID: 041831612 Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 23:06 |
I don't think that's politically correct. Posting as a one-letter handle. | ||||||
| 16 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 421148121 Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 23:31 |
Definite lack of interest. Seems the general feeling is not only that there wasn't a clear cut candidate----which can be a good thing too----but that no one is deserving. Want to know why there's a "lack of interest" or no "clear cut candidate?" It probably has something to do with the fact that the BCS Championship game is not featuring anybody REALLY deserving of the award and the media is ignoring the actually deserving players in the lesser bowl games. Seriously. Look at this pattern... 1996: Danny Wuerffel; Bowl Game: Sugar ("Championship") 1997: Charles Woodson; Bowl Game: Rose ("Championship") 1998: Ricky Williams; Bowl Game: Cotton (Career award) 1999: Ron Dayne; Bowl Game: BCS (Rose; career award) 2000: Chris Weinke; Bowl Game: BCS Championship 2001: Eric Crouch; Bowl Game: BCS Championship 2002: Carson Palmer; Bowl Game: BCS (Orange) 2003: Jason White; Bowl Game: BCS Championship 2004: Matt Leinart; Bowl Game: BCS Championship 2005: Reggie Bush; Bowl Game: BCS Championship 2006: Troy Smith; Bowl Game: BCS Championship 2007's choices? Brennan: BCS (Sugar) Daniel: BCS Championship McFadden: Cotton Tebow: Capital One Personally, I think Tebow deserves it and should EASILY be the winner. Why? Because he's the first player in major college football history to have over 20 passing TDs and 20 rushing TDs. The best Michael Vick, who was WAY hyped by the media, ever did was 12/8 in 1999. (8/8 in 2000). But not only did Tebow break the 20/20 plateau, he shattered it. He finished with 29 passing TDs and 22 rushing. 51 TDs total. Even the ever-passing Colt Brennan only had a total of 46 TDs (38/8). Chase Daniel was even behind that at 37 TDs (33/4). And McFadden couldn't even beat Tebow in rushing TDs alone, putting up just 15 against similar defenses. Oh, and did you know that Tebow had at least one passing AND one rushing TD in every game this season? That's right EVERY GAME. He also almost matched McFadden's rushing yards performance against Auburn, which says a lot to me. Far and away, Tim Tebow was a difference maker this season. He was the guy that SEC defenses feared the most and keyed in on the most. And he put up gaudy stats IN THE SEC! Without Tebow, I seriously think the Gators could have been 6-6 or worse this year (3 extra losses to Ole Miss, Kentucky, and South Carolina). Ask yourself, "How does a college football player put up 51 total TDs, become the first player to break the 20/20 plateau by shattering it, score at least one passing AND rushing TD in every game, and clearly help his team to win football games in a tough conference and not come out the clear cut Heisman winner?" Your answer, IMHO: Capital One Bowl As an Auburn fan, I hate Tim Tebow. I don't hate him as a person. I hate that Auburn may have to face him two more times before he moves his butt to the NFL! | ||||||
| 17 | Mötley Crüe Dude ID: 439372011 Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 07:28 |
Got to love it when the Auburn fan is making the Tebow case for me. There is no question Tebow was the best college football player this season. The Gators were in every game and he had about the best season statistically ever. The only real question is whether or not voters will select an underclassman, and I think that's becoming a non-issue based on published reports. P.S., KKB: the Gators don't have Auburn on the schedule again for a few years. This is a source of great annoyance to me as I'm still waiting to win one against your boys. Maybe we'll see each other in the SEC Championship. | ||||||
| 18 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 15023167 Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 09:01 |
P.S., KKB: the Gators don't have Auburn on the schedule again for a few years. DOH! I keep forgetting about the unbalanced schedule. But, um, yeah, I was referring to the SEC Championship. ;) | ||||||
| 19 | Slizz ID: 21733916 Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 09:48 |
War Eagle. Wes Byrum for the Groza than? great post KKB. There is absolutely nothing to argue with you there based on this years crop of opponents. Chase had the chance to do it in the Big 12 championship, but didnt get it done. Tebow by default. I agree with Jason Whitlock by way of GO's post. For three straight years, Adrian Peterson was the best player in college football, and we kept finding excuses (injuries and you can't give a freshman the trophy) not to give him the Heisman Trophy. Well, Peterson deserved the award in 2004 (Matt Leinart). Same thing can be said about Tebow. Hands down, best player in college football and its not even close. McFadden? See Kevin Smith, who is flirting with Barry Sanders records...Tebow? making history. Now I ask you this: Assuming Tebow stays injury free at UF next year, does he win the Heisman again? UF is going to be much better due to experience and I cant help but think Tebow will elevate his game even more. As for Tebow staying all 4 years? Two words for you: ALEX SMITH. He'll be back his senior year. | ||||||
| 20 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 15023167 Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 12:04 |
Now I ask you this: Assuming Tebow stays injury free at UF next year, does he win the Heisman again? If he puts up the same, or better, numbers, I see no reason why not. I'm serious when I say that nobody's even close to him this year, except maybe Brennan. But Brennan's competition is far inferior, IMHO. Since this is a fantasy football forum, let's look at the players in terms of default Yahoo scoring for the season: Brennan: 334.73 points (30.43/game) Daniel: 299.6 points (23.04/game) McFadden: 216.91 points (18.07/game) Tebow: 398.54 points (33.21/game) If Tebow had played Brennan's opponents, I seriously think he'd be in 30/30 territory. And here are some more questions... 1. Why Colt Brennan and not Graham Harrell (TexasTech)? Brennan: 4174 yds, 38 TD, 14 INT, 65 RuYds, 8 TD Harrell: 5298 yds, 45 TD, 14 INT, -63 RuYds, 4 TD Heck, why not Paul Smith (Tulsa)? Smith: 4753 yds, 42 TD, 19 INT, 73 RuYds, 12 TD Is the Heisman a career award or a seasonal award? And does (should?) a TEAM's record matter for an INDIVIDUAL award? 2. Why is McFadden even part of the conversation without including Kevin Smith (UCF), Matt Forte (Tulane), or Ray Rice (Rutgers)? McFadden: 1725 yds, 15 TD, 164 ReYds, 1 TD Smith: 2448 yds, 29 TD, 230 ReYds, 1 TD Forte: 2127 yds, 23 TD, 282 ReYds, 0 TD Rice: 1732 yds, 20 TD, 224 ReYds, 1 TD Sure, we can call into question the other players' competition, but a difference of 723 rushing yards and 14 TD would seem to make up for most of that difference in the case of Smith, I would suggest. At least enough to make him part of the conversation. 3. Why has the winner played in the BCS Championship so much lately? Surely there are great players that don't make it to the championship, no? Seems to be a requirement nowadays and it's a shame, IMHO. Even if Tebow wins, there's clearly a trend towards voting for players who are in the news as opposed to players who might actually be deserving of the award. | ||||||
| 21 | boikin ID: 59831214 Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 12:34 |
Now I ask you this: Assuming Tebow stays injury free at UF next year, does he win the Heisman again? UF is going to be much better due to experience and I cant help but think Tebow will elevate his game even more. As for Tebow staying all 4 years? Two words for you: ALEX SMITH. He'll be back his senior year. he will stay all 4 years and then get drafted in the later rounds. He is not at this piont in his carreer an NFL QB there are too many throws he can not make. with that said there is really no reason he does not win multiple heismans. there's clearly a trend towards voting for players who are in the news as opposed to players who might actually be deserving of the award. i completely agree with this statement. | ||||||
| 22 | steve houpt ID: 451161019 Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 14:48 |
KKB - I had never looked at the SEC schedule 'real' close lately. I knew they played 3 inter-division games to go with the 5 in division, but I knew it seemed like LSU played FLA every year recently. KKB - In you day [until 2001], Auburn did play FLA every year. There was only one rotating inter-divisional rival. Auburn got GA & FLA [real fair]. SEC Sports History "Each school has a permanent rival from the other division which it plays each year in football (though this may or may not reflect a traditional rivalry). Each East Division school's permanent rival from the West Division: Florida - LSU Georgia - Auburn Kentucky - Mississippi State South Carolina - Arkansas Tennessee - Alabama Vanderbilt - Ole Miss From 1992 through 2001, each team had two permanent inter-divisional opponents, allowing many traditional rivalries from the pre-expansion era (such as Florida vs. Auburn, Kentucky vs. LSU and Vanderbilt vs. Alabama) to continue. Complaints from some league athletic directors about imbalance in the schedule (for instance, Auburn's two permanent opponents from the East were Florida and Georgia, while Mississippi State played South Carolina and Kentucky every year) led to the adoption of the "5-1-2" format currently in place. Other league athletic directors have advocated adopting the format used by the Big 12 Conference, where teams play three teams from the opposite division on a home-and-home basis for two seasons, and then switch and play the other three teams from the opposite side for a two-year home-and-home. However, the potential loss of such heated long-standing rivalries as Alabama-Tennessee and Auburn-Georgia have scuttled such plans on the drawing board. Interestingly, prior to the institution of divisional play, many of Auburn's yearly rivlaries were with teams in the East (Florida, Georgia and Tennessee), while Vanderbilt faced Alabama and Ole Miss every year." | ||||||
| 23 | Seattle Zen ID: 529121611 Sat, Dec 08, 2007, 11:41 |
If I had a vote, here's how it would go D. McFadden Chase Daniels Colt Brennan Tebow First, I'm tired of the Heisman becoming the Best Quarterback trophy. Let's change the Johnny U. Golden Arm award to the best QB regardless of year. I give the award to McFadden based on a strong year, but his performance against LSU was the clincher. LSU was number one the country and all they had to do was win out and they get to go to the National Championship game (well, they go there anyways :) He destroys them for over 300 yards. You win. Second, Missouri came out of no where to have an outstanding season and Chase is the reason why. Third, Colt has yet to lose a game this year. He's Andre Ware and Ty Detmer all wrapped up in one! Fourth, Tim Tebow sat on the bench last year and Florida won the National Championship. This year, they finished third in their conference's Eastern Division. Yeah, he scored a lot of touchdowns. If Colt Brennan didn't ever hand the ball off, he'd run for a lot of scores, too. Better luck next year. | ||||||
| 24 | Mötley Crüe Dude ID: 439372011 Sat, Dec 08, 2007, 15:48 |
Tebow doesn't play defense, although he probably could. Florida lost two more games this season than last year with 9 defensive starters graduated or playing in the NFL. The offense was twice as dangerous in `07 as it was in 2006. Seattle Zen, comments like that one make you sound very biased. Is it not possible that the other teams in the SEC East got better this season while UF stayed about the same or even dropped off a notch from last year? Is the only plausible explanation that when the Gators switched from Leak to Tebow this season, that alone made them fall from the top of the heap? | ||||||
| 25 | Mötley Crüe Dude ID: 439372011 Sat, Dec 08, 2007, 16:03 |
For anyone who isn't certain that Tebow can play QB in the traditional sense, I'd like to remind you that he's #2 in the nation in Pass Efficiency (ahead of #3 Colt Brennan, #4 Dennis Dixon, and #12 Chase Daniel). NCAA Pass Efficiency Leaders 1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 2. Tebow 3. Brennan 4. Dixon 5. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 6. Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 7. Paul Smith, Tulsa 8. Taylor Tharpe, Boise St. 9. Ben Mauk, Cincinnati 10. Brian Brohm, Louisville | ||||||
| 26 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 421148121 Sat, Dec 08, 2007, 17:36 |
RE: 23. how can you give it to McFadden and not Kevin Smith from UCF? Is it just because of that ONE game against LSU? Again, a comparison... McFadden: 304 rush, 1725 yds, 143.8 yds/gm, 5.7 avg, 15 TD, 21 rec, 164 yds, 13.7 yds/gm, 7.8 avg, 1 TD Smith: 415 rush, 2448 yds, 188.3 yds/gm, 5.9 avg, 29 TD, 21 rec, 230 yds, 17.7 yds/gm, 11.0 avg, 2 TD In EVERY statistical category, Smith wins. And, in the ones that matter most to the RB position (yards and TD), Smith destroys McFadden. Now, for a bit of an even ground comparison. LSU is ranked 14th in RuYds/Gm and 25th in Rushing TDs allowed. Texas is ranked 11th and 15th. McFadden v. LSU: 206 yds, 3 TD, 0 rec Smith v. Texas: 149 yds, 2 TD, 1 rec, 24 yds And if we take out the 3 OTs from McFadden, they very likely have VERY similar stats, particularly since we know McFadden had an OT TD. And while Smith had a rough game against USF (55 yds, 0 TD, 3 rec, 45 yds), USF is also ranked 19th in RuYds/Gm and 4th in total Rushing TDs allowed. Which brings up McFadden's game against Auburn (27th in RuYds/Gm and 14th in Rushing TDs allowed). How does his performance against LSU make his candidacy and his 43 yds, 0 TD, 1 rec, 5 yds against Auburn not break it? Seems a bit counterintuitive to me, unless you're putting too much weight in a team's poll ranking and not what the stats show. He destroys them for over 300 yards. Make that 206 yards. So, it's really 2/3 of the destruction. Tim Tebow had 67 rushing yards against LSU. Surely that counts for something. No? Second, Missouri came out of no where to have an outstanding season and Chase is the reason why. I won't deny that, but I still don't see how Daniel is better than Tebow. I'd like to see that argument from the perspective of the QBs, not the team. There are too many factors that go into team victories and such other than just the QB. Looking at one QB versus the other, I see nothing that says Daniel is the better QB. Nothing. Third, Colt has yet to lose a game this year. He's Andre Ware and Ty Detmer all wrapped up in one! Sorry, but that's beyond a weak argument. If Tebow and the Gators played the likes of Boise St, Fresno St, Nevada, LaTech, San Jose St, Utah St, New Mexico St, and Idaho as a CONFERENCE schedule, I'd be surprised if they weren't undefeated as well. And how about their "tough" non-conference schedule of Northern Colorado, UNLV, Charleston Southern (seriously, they have a football team?), and Washington? Florida's only losses came against three of the toughest teams in the SEC. They also beat the team that was the SEC East champion. And they thoroughly killed their non-conference schedule of Western Kentucky, Troy, Florida Atlantic, and Florida State by a difference of 212-66. Hawaii scraped by LaTech 45-44. They only beat San Jose St by a touchdown in OT. Fresno St was another one touchdown win. Nevada was a 2-point win. And Washington was another one touchdown win. I don't understand propping up Brennan over Tebow on Hawaii's record while ignoring how ridiculously close Hawaii was to at least two losses against a season full of ridiculously inferior competition. Fourth, Tim Tebow sat on the bench last year and Florida won the National Championship. This year, they finished third in their conference's Eastern Division. Tebow sat on the bench last year? That's news to me. I'm looking at his stats from 2006 and I see 13 TDs along with 358 passing yards and 469 rushing yards. Doesn't really come across as a bench player in my mind. Sure, Chris Leak was the starter, but Tebow certainly didn't "sit on the bench last year." In fact, Tebow had a passing TD and a rushing TD (with 39 rushing yards on 10 carries) in the championship game. If you want to consider that not contributing, that's your own prerogative, but to me he was just as much an important part as Leak and several other players on that team. I assure you that when Tebow entered the game, the opponent's defense was freaking out and would have much preferred Leak to stay in. And a nice little comparison... 2007 UF Offense: 43.1 Pts/Gm Defense: 24.2 Pts/Gm 2006 UF Offense: 28.8 Pts/Gm Defense: 13.5 Pts/Gm Seems to me it wasn't the offensive side of the ball that changed this year, so where does Tebow fit into that? Yeah, he scored a lot of touchdowns. If Colt Brennan didn't ever hand the ball off, he'd run for a lot of scores, too. Better luck next year. Tebow: 8.82 rushes/TD, 10.93 att/TD, 52.8 att/INT Brennan: 9.13 rushes/TD, 12.42 att/TD, 33.71 att/INT Sorry, but the stats just don't back that up. In fact, they prove it completely incorrect. Let's scale to Tebow's 194 rushes... Tebow: 22 TD Brennan: 21 TD But, let's change your statement a bit and say, "If Tim Tebow didn't ever keep the ball, he'd pass for a lot of scores, too." Scaling to Brennan's 472 attempts... Brennan: 38 TD, 14 INT Tebow: 43 TD, 9 INT Just like McFadden, the stats just don't back you up. At all. And given that Daniel is worst, statistically, than Brennan, there's not much work to do there. | ||||||
| 27 | Peter N. ID: 426242722 Sat, Dec 08, 2007, 21:03 | No surprise. Tebow wins the Heisman. | ||||||
| 28 | Peter N. ID: 426242722 Sat, Dec 08, 2007, 21:05 | You have to feel good for a guy like Tebow. Class act. | ||||||
| 29 | Seattle Zen ID: 529121611 Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 02:10 |
Nice post #26, KKB Sometimes I make an argument in a post just to see the reaction. | ||||||
| 30 | slizz@blackberry ID: 219562614 Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 21:53 |
Re: 26. One of the better posts I've seen on this board since I've started posting. You forgot one thing though in order to make your argument more thorough :). When talking about mr tebows frosh year (on the bench): Tebows play action run fake to himself for the flip td vs lsu got pontiacs game changing performance of the year in 06. (Horrible grammar but I'm on my mobile phone!) Tebow might go down as the greatest collegiate player ever if he doesn't get injured. As for your list of passing efficiency...only brohm and mauk (correct me if I am wrong) are not system qbs. Bradford = jason white. Still. Tebow deserved it. His #s were unreal and will most likely get even better! | ||||||
| 31 | holt ID: 129202215 Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 05:58 |
getting off topic... re 30: I wouldn't say Sam Bradford is a system QB. He's just an accurate passer. OU doesn't run the same spread offense they did back in the Heupel/White days. It's more conventional. Part of that is due to change in the coaching staff, and part of it is because of an influx of RB's like A.Peterson and A.Patrick. Bradford's efficiency rating was really high, but his counting stats aren't huge compared to say, Harrell. OU doesn't throw the ball 50, 60, 70 times a game. Bradford just doesn't remind me of Jason White at all. I've watched almost all of the OU game this year and not once did it occur to me that Bradford was like White. Bradford seems relaxed, consistent, has good football instincts. I don't mean to slam Jason White, but so far, I haven't seen Bradford do anything to cause OU fans to curse, throw objects at TV sets, etc. | ||||||
| 32 | Frick Donor ID: 3410101718 Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 19:01 |
 Included with the quote Tim Tebow won the Heisman on Saturday night. And that's not the ONLY trophy he's taking home with him! | ||||||
| 33 | boikin ID: 59831214 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 15:07 |
For anyone who isn't certain that Tebow can play QB in the traditional sense, I'd like to remind you that he's #2 in the nation in Pass Efficiency (ahead of #3 Colt Brennan, #4 Dennis Dixon, and #12 Chase Daniel). NCAA Pass Efficiency Leaders 1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 2. Tebow 3. Brennan 4. Dixon 5. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 6. Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 7. Paul Smith, Tulsa 8. Taylor Tharpe, Boise St. 9. Ben Mauk, Cincinnati 10. Brian Brohm, Louisville i am impressed that Brennan is 3rd on this list when every team playing has to nothing to do but prepare for the pass on every single play. then there is the argument that hawaii played inferior competition, which is complety true. The part you are forgeting is that hawaii has inferoir talent. Do you think that if hawaii had the talent of UF they would not have but up a 100 once this year? iF you gave UF the talent of hawaii we would even be talking about them? the question you should be asking is if we took all the players and made them trade teams who's is still playing the best. I can not say i have the answer, but here is how ill rank them. the best player: McFadden, the guy is trulley gifted. going to make some NFL team happy. the best carreer: brennan, they guy you want on your team when you have to have that pass made. something has be said for having to lead your team back nearly every forth quarter. the best year: Tebow, a freak(though not the same level as jevon kearse) of nature who has to be the dream spread option QB. well if he could run faster and throw the slant, then again if he could do that he would be that player you create in video games were you but all the atributes to 10. as for the heisman, they probably should have given it to the kid for UCF. If you want to consider that not contributing, that's your own prerogative, but to me he was just as much an important part as Leak and several other players on that team. I assure you that when Tebow entered the game, the opponent's defense was freaking out and would have much preferred Leak to stay in. inless you had auburn written on your jersey, tuberville has to be one the best big game plan coaches(should have given lsu and another L) there on the Defensive side of the ball (ask arky) his only problem is that he forgets that you have still have to game plan for the lessor teams too(see USF). | ||||||
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