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Subject: Opinions please, on a proposed trade
Posted by: sarge33rd
- [99331714] Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 10:21
12 team league, 3 man keeper limit, snake draft in reverse order of standings.
Historically, this league has seen relatively little trade activity, as IMHO, ea manager is too savy to make a trade that isnt going to obviously better their team.
TE friendly scoring system. 1 pt 6 yds Ru/Re for RB/WR, 1 pt/3 yds Ru/Re for TE. 6 pts for TD. Bonus points for long TDs Ru/Re, for 50 yds in a game, 100 yds, 150 and 200.
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/WR-TE/K/D/ST
Trades proposed and accepted by the other manager(s), go to a league wide vote for objections. 5 objections allowed and the trade happens, 6 and its dead in the water.
Currently 2 objections to the following trade:
M Barber for O Daniels.
Barber YTD points: 150
Daniels: 140
Rosters before the trade:
Manning/Garrard
Westbrook/Barber/Watson/Rhodes/S Jackson
Bowe/Porter/Curry/C Henry/A Boldin
D Clark/T Heap/M Spaeth
K Brown
NE D
Minn ST
Cutler
Portis/Addai/Buckhalter/Betts
M Harrison/TJ Houshmandzadeh/D Jackson/T Williamson/Cotchery
Dallas Clark/O Daniels
Kaeding
Dal D/Buff D
SD ST/AZ ST
Team "A" (giving up Barber), hurts at Re positions with Heap hurting and Boldin hurting. (Boldin returning and Heap on bye)
Team "B" (getting Barber), hurts at RB and is strong at WR, though losing Daniels leaves them with only 1 TE.
Curious, as to thoughts on why there would be ANY objections to this deal? (Same two teams swapped pre draft...Addai for Manning. No collusion between the owners I can assure you, since neither has ever been in a league together before this one and neither has known the other before.) |
| 1 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 10:26
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will add this info:
we're playiong dble headers every week this year.
Team giving up Barber is 7-7 and in same division as Team "B". Pts FOR: 2517, Pts AGAINST: 2437.5
Team "B", giving up Daniels, is 3-11. Pts FOR: 2364, Pts AGAINST: 2593.5
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| 2 | wiggs
ID: 6825712
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 10:29
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my question is how does 1 team get Addai, Jackson and Westbrook>
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| 3 | Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 10:32
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Seems fine to me, especially with the adjusted points to increase TE value.
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| 4 | Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 10:32
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it was keeper - so same way I have LT and Addai in another league. Addai was easy to scoop up last year.
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| 5 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 10:35
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Team that had Addai/Jackson/Westbrook...has had Westie for a cple years. Drafted Jackson WAY too early, his rookie year, and scooped Addai with their first rd pick his rookie yr as well.
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| 6 | wiggs
ID: 6825712
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 10:39
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fair enough. :)
I see the trade as ok. I doubt barber is a keeper for the team trading him anyways.
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| 7 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 10:41
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I doubt barber is a keeper for the team trading him anyways.
You would be correct. ;)
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| 8 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 11:04
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Westbrook/Barber/Watson/Rhodes/S Jackson
fair or not, if i was this team, i sure as hell wouldn't give up my one healthy starting RB.
you've got an injury history with Westbrook, a guy who still hasn't come back from a serious early season injury with Jackson, an RBBC guy in Watson, and a guy about to get cut in Rhodes.
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| 9 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 11:07
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Watson is RBBC true, but so is Barber. Talk of Rhodes possibly being cut, is IMHO, premature. Jordan, hasnt shown anything in several weeks. Rhodes JUST came back off his suspension, and I dont think Oak pd him 2+ mill (knowing the suspension was looming) to cut him.
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| 10 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 16:30
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Barber might be in a RBBC, but that's more or less in name only. he's a top 5 RB in most leagues, and has more than double the points of his backfield mate.
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| 11 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 17:03
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I wouldn't object to the trade, but I agree with Tree. If I were team A, I would not want to lose my depth at RB for yet another TE to go along with the 3 I already had. I would simply play Heap or choose from one of the others if he didn't play. Next week Jackson is on a bye and Rudi will likely be playing more so I would rather start Westbrook and Barber. If team A trades Barber, then he has 2 players with injuries and no true RB to back them up. Probably better to have Buckhalter or Leonard than Rhodes from that point of view.
I think the reason people might object to the trade is that everyone values players differently, so you will usually have some that don't agree. Only having 2 isn't much of a concern I wouldn't think.
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| 12 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 17:03
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True. But with Jacksons return, Barber will be riding the pine. AT 7-7, have to think something needs doing to break this run of mediocrity. Question boils down to:
Will more points get scored with
Westie/Jackson and Barber as backup and the existing Rcvrs....
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By trading a bench player and gaining a starting TE, will that yield more overall points?
Since the keepers are obviously Jackson, Westie and Manning, there is little point in keeping that "stud" on the bench when the W's are needed by players on the field.
Team is in 3rd in the division at 7-7, along with another squad at 7-7. Leader, is at 12-2 and 2nd is 11-3. 5th team is 1 game back at 6-8. Again, SOMETHING needs to happen to more points in the "For" column and put an end to the 1-1 performances every week. Pts For and Against, are virtually the same (120.5 pt difference divided by 14 games), and if opposing every team in the league every week, record is 38-39. Right on the cusp, but not quite there.
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| 13 | Tree
ID: 269152617
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 19:22
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But with Jacksons return, Barber will be riding the pine.
1. Jackson's injury was pretty serious. there's no way to know if he'll play a full game, much less the rest of the year.
2. i'd rather have the depth at RB in case one of your oft-injured backs goes down again.
3. yes, you're helping your team a bit by getting that better TE, but you're helping the other team a LOT by giving him that stud RB.
4. you don't NEED 3 TEs in this league. you only NEED 1. heck, i'd move Barber for Daniels *and* Cotchery...maybe...
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| 14 | sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 20:34
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cept that a TE with 42 yds Re = WR with 84 as far as spoint go. And TEs, are rapidly becoming more valid targets in the red zone. 36 yds and a TD = 12 pts, which for a WR w/o the TD, calls for 72 ReYds.
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| 15 | Tree
ID: 10954287
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 14:25
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from rotoworld.com
Steven Jackson went to the locker room with a back injury in the second quarter of Sunday's game against the Browns.
Jackson's return is questionable. As we've seen with Steve McNair, groin injuries can lead to back problems. Jackson was off to a terrific start in his return Sunday, but it's uncertain whether he'll return to the field. He did come back to the sideline at one point only to return to the locker room again later on.
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| 16 | sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 22:03
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lol How did I KNOW, #15 was coming? He could just as easily have gone off for 132 yds and 2 TDs. *shrug* You make your choices, and take your chances. Looks like the team in question, is gonna split again this week and go 1-1 once more.
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| 17 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 08:54
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He could just as easily have gone off for 132 yds and 2 TDs.
possibly. but based on the history of that injury, it was more likely he wasn't going to do that, and instead was going to suffer another injury. it seemed like too much of a risk to presume he would be healthy and kick ass the rest of the way.
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