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Subject: Sean Taylor
Posted by: Perm Dude
- [251012710] Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 13:24
Sean Taylor Dies After Being Shot |
| 1 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 258441912
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 13:33
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An utter tragedy. Hopefully his daughter will be well cared for.
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| 2 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 15:41
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Wonder if more of the story will come out?
I doubt this was a simple burglery...this was a hit.
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| 3 | Electroman
ID: 73332719
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 17:33
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I heard his former lawer on Mike and Mike this morning, and it seems that they came in looking for him.
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| 4 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 17:46
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One thing I heard to the contrary: Two shots were fired. One missed and one hit. If it were a hit or an attempted murder, why not empty the gun? Why not aim for the chest or at least chest level? Why not a lot of other things?
With the house being broken into two weeks ago and the attack coming Sunday night/Monday morning, I have more of a feeling that it was a robbery gone wrong and that they never expected Taylor to be in the home after a game (not realizing he wasn't even at the game because of injury).
If it was a hit, then the hitman was crazy lucky (from their perspective) when you consider a single shot to the leg is what killed Taylor.
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| 5 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 18:41
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Taylor's death a grim reminder for us all
Jason Whitlock
FOXSports.com, Updated 42 minutes ago
There's a reason I call them the Black KKK. The pain, the fear and the destruction are all the same.
Someone who loved Sean Taylor is crying right now. The life they knew has been destroyed, an 18-month-old baby lost her father, and, if you're a black man living in America, you've been reminded once again that your life is in constant jeopardy of violent death.
The Black KKK claimed another victim, a high-profile professional football player with a checkered past this time.
No, we don't know for certain the circumstances surrounding Taylor's death. I could very well be proven wrong for engaging in this sort of aggressive speculation. But it's no different than if you saw a fat man fall to the ground clutching his chest. You'd assume a heart attack, and you'd know, no matter the cause, the man needed to lose weight.
Well, when shots are fired and a black man hits the pavement, there's every statistical reason to believe another black man pulled the trigger. That's not some negative, unfair stereotype. It's a reality we've been living with, tolerating and rationalizing for far too long.
When the traditional, white KKK lynched, terrorized and intimidated black folks at a slower rate than its modern-day dark-skinned replacement, at least we had the good sense to be outraged and in no mood to contemplate rationalizations or be fooled by distractions.
Our new millennium strategy is to pray the Black KKK goes away or ignores us. How's that working?
About as well as the attempt to shift attention away from this uniquely African-American crisis by focusing on an alleged injustice the white media allegedly perpetrated against Sean Taylor.
Within hours of his death, there was a story circulating that members of the black press were complaining that news outlets were disrespecting Taylor's victimhood by reporting on his troubled past
No disrespect to Taylor, but he controlled the way he would be remembered by the way he lived. His immature, undisciplined behavior with his employer, his run-ins with law enforcement, which included allegedly threatening a man with a loaded gun, and the fact a vehicle he owned was once sprayed with bullets are all pertinent details when you've been murdered.
Marcellus Wiley, a former NFL player, made the radio circuit Wednesday, singing the tune that athletes are targets. That was his explanation for the murders of Taylor and Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams and the armed robberies of NBA players Antoine Walker and Eddy Curry.
Really?
Let's cut through the bull(manure) and deal with reality. Black men are targets of black men. Period. Go check the coroner's office and talk with a police detective. These bullets aren't checking W-2s.
Rather than whine about white folks' insensitivity or reserve a special place of sorrow for rich athletes, we'd be better served mustering the kind of outrage and courage it took in the 1950s and 1960s to stop the white KKK from hanging black men from trees.
But we don't want to deal with ourselves. We take great joy in prescribing medicine to cure the hate in other people's hearts. Meanwhile, our self-hatred, on full display for the world to see, remains untreated, undiagnosed and unrepentant.
Our self-hatred has been set to music and reinforced by a pervasive culture that promotes a crab-in-barrel mentality.
You're damn straight I blame hip hop for playing a role in the genocide of American black men. When your leading causes of death and dysfunction are murder, ignorance and incarceration, there's no reason to give a free pass to a culture that celebrates murder, ignorance and incarceration.
Of course there are other catalysts, but until we recapture the minds of black youth, convince them that it's not OK to "super man dat ho" and end any and every dispute by "cocking on your bitch," nothing will change.
Does a Soulja Boy want an education?
HBO did a fascinating documentary on Little Rock Central High School, the Arkansas school that required the National Guard so that nine black kids could attend in the 1950s. Fifty years later, the school is one of the nation's best in terms of funding and educational opportunities. It's 60 percent black and located in a poor black community.
Watch the documentary and ask yourself why nine poor kids in the '50s risked their lives to get a good education and a thousand poor black kids today ignore the opportunity that is served to them on a platter.
Blame drugs, blame Ronald Reagan, blame George Bush, blame it on the rain or whatever. There's only one group of people who can change the rotten, anti-education, pro-violence culture our kids have adopted. We have to do it.
According to reports, Sean Taylor had difficulty breaking free from the unsavory characters he associated with during his youth.
The "keepin' it real" mantra of hip hop is in direct defiance to evolution. There's always someone ready to tell you you're selling out if you move away from the immature and dangerous activities you used to do, you're selling out if you speak proper English, embrace education, dress like a grown man, do anything mainstream.
The Black KKK is enforcing the same crippling standards as its parent organization. It wants to keep black men in their place — uneducated, outside the mainstream and six feet deep.
In all likelihood, the Black Klan and its mentality buried Sean Taylor, and any black man or boy reading this could be next.
I'm liking this guy, more and more and more.
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| 6 | holt
ID: 129202215
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 18:48
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Horrible horrible horrible. If this was a robbery gone bad, what a pathetic robbery. If you're going to invade a football players home on game day, at least be a decent enough thief to do your homework and make sure that player is actually at the game and not at home with his family rehabbing an injury. Hang this piece of crap from the highest tree you can find. Hopefully his stupidity means he left some evidence behind.
Btw, machetes are not a good option for home defense. If the burglar is unarmed, maybe.
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| 7 | Perm Dude
ID: 81011289
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 18:52
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No, we don't know for certain the circumstances surrounding Taylor's death. I could very well be proven wrong for engaging in this sort of aggressive speculation.
This guy doesn't know shiite, and yet he blames it on a Black KKK.
Yes, black-on-black crime is a huge problem, and largely is unspoken of in the African-American community. But the way to talk about it is using actual black-on-black crime. Not a high profile, high income black man who appears to be a robbery victim, for whom we know nothing yet of the killer, let alone his race.
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| 8 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 19:00
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The very next para PD, Whitlock states that it is a statistical probability that such speculation is accurate, and the truth is...he's right. STATISTICALLY, his speculation holds merit. And if holding up high-profile black murder victims isnt the way to go about creating awareness, I dont know what is. Holding up "Joe Smith" certainly isnt going to get the job done.
His messgae IMHO, is entirely valid. Shake off the thought processes that say you have stay "in the hood" even after you've "made it". Change the people you associate with, and break free of the ghetto mentality. Unless and until a person does that, they're likely to be victimized as was taylor.
Cripes, how many rappers have been shot or involved in shootings? Seems to me, to be an all too common-place occurance.
NBA players still hanging with "their hood" and getting into gun fights, NFL players too for that matter. Until these guys break loose from that past, its going to be "their" future too.
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| 10 | Electroman
ID: 73332719
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 20:02
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His former lawyer said that he handed files over to the police from I believe the gun pointing incident. He said something about people believing that he had turned on them. He also mentioned that when he(Taylor) heard the noise in his house, he locked the bedroom door, and the door was broken down, and they shot twice. Seems that they weren't surprised by him, the killer could have left, but chose to go after him.
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| 11 | holt
ID: 129202215
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 20:42
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Antrel Rolle: Taylor shooting was no burglary
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7500290?MSNHPHCP>1=10637
sorry I'm lazy and the insert a link isn't working for me atm.
"This was not the first incident," Rolle said. "They've been targeting him for three years now."
Rolle said many former "friends" had it in for Taylor, who was trying to build a more stable life.
"He really didn't say too much," Rolle said, "but I know he lived his life pretty much scared every day of his life when he was down in Miami because those people were targeting him. At least, he's got peace now."
This begs the question - why not just live somewhere else?
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| 12 | Perm Dude
ID: 81011289
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 21:30
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I'm sure that if he was the target that they would go wherever he lives!
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| 13 | Perm Dude
ID: 11043298
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 10:13
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Police believe Taylor was the victim of a random burglary
Chaulk this up to "maybe black on black man's home" crime.
And if holding up high-profile black murder victims isnt the way to go about creating awareness, I dont know what is.
As I stated, holding up people who we don't know fit the bill is pretty stupid, and cheapens the point. I have no problem holding up victims of black-on-black murders to demonstrate the argument, so long as they are actual black-on-black murder victims. Not merely black. And not "could be a black-on-black murder victim if we follow statistics rather than the facts of the case."
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| 14 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 12:41
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I'm wondering why didn't he have a monitored alarm system installed? I mean, his house was already broken into once before.
It's not like he didn't have the money to buy the best. Heck, I live in a relatively low crime area and the first thing I did when I moved in was purchase a monitored alarm system. At the time, my job took me out of town on occasion and it gave me and my family a huge peace of mind.
The basic ones are not even that expensive.
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| 15 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 13:28
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Taylor has an alarm system but it was turned off.
Miami-Dade police have detained three men for questioning in connection with the murder of Redskins S Sean Taylor.
Two teenagers and a man in his 20s from the Fort Myers area are believed to have information about the shooting. It's not known whether they are actual suspects, but it appears police no longer think the act was random.
Source: Miami Herald
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| 16 | holt
ID: 129202215
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 17:01
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I doubt that they ever thought it was random. Just posturing for the public.
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| 17 | Frick
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 17:15
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Not so much for the public, but for the court system if/when they take someone to trial. If they don't start with a clean slate, the defense attorney will claim their client/s were railroaded.
When I first heard the news, my thoughts were that a thug wannabe got a little to close to the action. Hearing that Taylor had turned his life around and was trying to close the door on that part of his life is saddening. Here is someone that we should respect for learning a lesson in life and trying to move forward. Not being able to, or living in fear from your past is awful.
As a society we often say that black athletes need to move forward from their past, see Mike Vick and Tank Johnson. I applaud Taylor on his moving forward and hopefully something can be done to help others that are in a similar situation.
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| 18 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 18:13
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Interesting you should bring Vick's name into this conversation.
I just read this article and it brought Sean Taylor to mind and if perhaps he was trying to escape a similar situation.
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| 19 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 11:19
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Police have charged four men in connection with the "unpremeditaded" murder of Redskins S Sean Taylor.
Police are confident that the men went to Taylor's house without the intent of killing him. "They were certainly not looking to go there and kill anyone," the Miami-Dade police director said. "They were expecting a residence that was not occupied. So murder or shooting someone was not their initial motive."
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| 20 | bibA
Leader
ID: 261028117
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 11:30
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Man, this just gets more confusing all the time. I read here that this is no random crime, and Colin Cowherd has devoted hours expounding on what he claims is obvious: that Taylor's sordid past was catching up with him, and that this is obviously a case of the suspect(s) committing a hit. He indicates that the investigating police departments are just not doing their jobs or are being lazy when they claim that they have no evidence that this was an intentional hit.
Then I read that arrests have been made wherein the investigation indicates that the suspects were only intent on committing a burglary hoping to steal valueable property, and did not have fore-knowledge that anyone was home. This leads me to believe that possibly it was a random crime, as far as the homicide goes. Of course, the fact that the crooks targeted this particular location might not be random, as burglars do tend to target locations wherein they might expect to make a successful haul, but what would this have to do with Taylors "sordid past"?
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| 21 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 11:42
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from the article, there are "connections" to Taylor amongst the men, but nothing to indicate anything "sordid".
1 was a "hired hand" of sorts having done odd jobs around the place, Taylors sister dates a cousin of one of the guys and 1 had been a party guest in the Taylor home recently. SO at least two of the four, had seen "what was there" in the house.
All in all, at this stage, I dont see where Whitlock (the article I posted above) was wrong in the least, but rather it appears to solidify the point he was making.
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| 22 | bibA
Leader
ID: 261028117
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 13:26
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Whitlock may have his points re how this crime relates to the overall sociological situation, but commentators such as Cowherd, who constantly have been carping on things like a knife allegedly being left on Taylor's bed after the previous break in, and the location of the fatal gunshot, as being evidence of the perpetrator being somehow tied in with the victim just show how they want to sensationalize this tragedy.
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| 23 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 14:09
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Some of the suspects have confessed. 3 have been formally charged. A 4th one is in custody but not formally charged.
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| 24 | Perm Dude
ID: 2710413011
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 14:13
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Did they say why they did it?
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| 25 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 14:31
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I just saw part of the video arraignment on ESPN. The news update guy said what I posted over the video.
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| 26 | bibA
Leader
ID: 261028117
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 15:58
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According to an update of the above link in 20, All four are charged with unpremeditated murder in Taylor's death, a killing police said was unplanned and arose out of a burglary at the player's home. They're also charged with armed burglary and home invasion with a firearm or another deadly weapon.
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| 27 | holt
ID: 129202215
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:08
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Unpremeditated. I don't think that is going to help them much. Someone was murdered as a direct consequence of their commission of felony acts. That's life sentence isn't it? In some states you can get the death penalty for this, right?
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| 28 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 02:07
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I think death penalty cases have o be premediated murder or murder with special circumstances. Not sure how Fla law views this.
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| 29 | sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 07:55
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If they didnt plan on shooting anyone; why did they have the gun?
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| 30 | Perm Dude
ID: 51111428
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 09:55
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Why does anyone have a gun, sarge? Personal protection. Home invasions are on the rise.
:)
I think the fact that Taylor was shot once, in the leg, shows that even though they shot him they didn't mean to kill him. What I'm seeing so far leads me to think that they panicked, shot, and ran.
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| 31 | sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 10:09
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Silly me. As your invasion activity rises, so too does the prospect of a confrontation and thus the gun for "self defense". *smack*
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| 32 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 14:54
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Still a lot of holes in this story...so he is robbed a week or two earlier and a kitchen knife on his pillow...these "burglers" kick in his bedroom door and shoot him...nothing is taken from the house...the girlfriend is not shot...sorry the story is not adding up...does not seem like a burglery to me...
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| 33 | holt
ID: 129202215
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:36
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Just saw on the news, all four have been indicted on first degree felony murder charges, along with, I believe, some burglary charges.
ChicagoTRS, there do seem to be holes in the story. either they are the worst burglars ever, or they were there to kill Taylor. The fact that they shot him in the groin area makes you scratch your head though. If they were there to kill Taylor, you'd expect the shooter to fire more shots, and go for the heart or head. Also, it doesn't require 4 people to shoot someone. You can steal a lot of things with 4 people though. So I'm still tending to think (based on my limited knowledge of what happened) that these guys are just really bad novice burglars. Also, three of these guys must be wanting to break the neck of the idiot who started firing shots.
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| 34 | Electroman
ID: 73332719
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 22:10
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My whole question is, did they break into the room knowing that Taylor was there? If they did know he was there, why didn't they just make a break for it?
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| 35 | holt
ID: 129202215
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 00:44
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At least two of the four men charged with the murder of the Washington Redskins star Sean Taylor were involved in a burglary of his Miami-area home eight days before his shooting death, a law enforcement official and a lawyer involved in the case said Wednesday.
Neither person wanted to be named because the investigation into Taylor’s death remained open, but both confirmed the connection between the previous burglary and the attempted burglary that resulted in Taylor’s death.
Football memorabilia belonging to Taylor and large amounts of cash were found in the home of at least one of the defendants in the murder case, the lawyer and the official said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/06/sports/06redskins.html?ref=sports
So they broke in one time and could have taken whatever they wanted. Why go back a second time? To get big stuff like tv's/stereos? Outside of going there to kill him, that's all I can figure.
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| 36 | Pancho Villa
ID: 495272016
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 09:55
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Looks like this case might never reach a jury, as there is already talk of plea deals.
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