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Subject: Billick gets fired
Posted by: Electroman
- [4111212723] Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 16:41
NFL.com article
Reading the article, seems like the players aren't to sad to see him go. |
| 1 | Boxman
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Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 20:19
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I wonder if he could be Miami bound?
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| 2 | Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
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Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 22:51
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Long, long overdue IMHO. Some good offensive minds never make good head coaches. Billick, Norv Turner, Mike Martz etc....
The defense has carried the Ravens for way too many years and now they're getting old. McNair needs to retire...yesterday...and a profusion of new blood needs to be inputed in that offense ASAP.
From the looks of that article, there seems to be a little more than discontent brewing on that team from the owner on down...Good luck Ozzie!
Cowher anybody?
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| 4 | Da Bomb
Donor
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Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 03:46
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Long overdue? The Ravens were 13-3 last season.
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| 5 | Kyle
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Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 14:22
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Billick is a great head coach who lost control of the team to Ray Lewis. I think he'd be a great fit for the NY Giants once they finally realize that Tom Coughlin won't take them to the next level.
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| 6 | holt
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Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 19:28
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No way does Cowher return to coach a Steelers rival. whatever legacy he has in the minds of Steelers fans would be dashed to the rocks. Would be great to see him return to coach an NFC team.
God, let the Rams dump their staff and hire Cowher and Martz, please. I'd be in heaven.
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| 7 | beastiemiked
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Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 15:48
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God, let the Rams dump their staff and hire Cowher and Martz, please. I'd be in heaven.
Cowher would be awesome. Not sure if management, Martz, or the fans, would want Martz back. Though I do agree he was the nuts when he was just the O coordinator.
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| 8 | mjd
Leader
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Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 17:27
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Mad Mike is now a free agent.
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| 9 | Slizz
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Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 17:36
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I think the loss to Miami sealed his fate. Had the Ravens beat the 'Phins, I would've expected Billick to come back. Nevertheless, 9 years is an awful long time to coach one franchise in today's NFL.
Next coach of the Ravens...wouldnt surprise me to see them make a STRONG push for Jason Garrett (Cowboys Offensive Coordinator) or Jim Caldwell (Colts Assistant Head Coach/QB Coach).
Coach Chin wants complete control (like Parcells had in Dallas). No way he goes to Balitmore with Ozzie Newsome shopping for the groceries.
St. Louis is definitely a possibility, but I think he stays out of coaching another season based on what I've read on the internet and sports illustrated. Only two places I can see Cowher going are Carolina or Washington. I think Fox is going to be fired after next year if the Panthers miss the playoffs and it wouldnt surprise me to see Hurney stay around another year pretty much as a lame duck en route to hiring Cowher.
Washington is ALWAYS a possibility with Dan Snyder. He could throw him a boatload of $$$ and make it nearly impossible to say no.
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| 10 | holt
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Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 01:25
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Yeah, I don't think it's realistic for Martz to return to St.Louis, but I'd still like it to happen (as an offensive coordinator only, obviously).
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| 11 | Electroman
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Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 23:12
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Cameron gets the boot in Miami
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| 12 | Electroman
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Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 19:28
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Interesting choice, Harbaugh is new coach of the Ravens.
As an Eagles fan, I am happy that he is getting an opportunity, but sad that he is leaving. He was a good coach, for ST and then the secondary last year. I hope that he does well.
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| 13 | Mike D
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Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 19:35
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Couldn't say it any better Electro. 2nd from Reid's stable after Childress.
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| 14 | Vee
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Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 13:04
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"I think he'd be a great fit for the NY Giants once they finally realize that Tom Coughlin won't take them to the next level."
Nice work Kyle.
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| 15 | Kyle
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Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 13:37
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Yah, I will stand by my statement. I don't think Coughlin is a good coach. Proof: Yelling at your kicker after his first missed kick in a tied ball game.
With that said, he took them to the 'next' level. Now hopefully Eli can beat the Pats.
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| 16 | Slizz
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Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 13:57
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I think you will see a trend as a result of the NYG's performance in the playoffs:
An Disciplined coach and a turd-free roster. I dont think there is any coincidence at all that the G-Men are playing their best football of the season since Shockey broke his leg. 86 locker-room cancers like Tiki & Shockey, the team will get better. I am not saying Shockey is a bad football player, but the proof is in the pudding with respect to the team’s performance.
Teams with little to no arrests as illustrated by Profootballtalk.com's Turd Watch (a police blotter for all 32 NFL franchises with a scoring system based on level of crime: i.e. Felony, Misdemeanor, etc.) have shared success in the playoffs vs. other squads:
PFT Turd Watch
AFC
New England – 0 Turd Points
Indianapolis – 10 points (Dominic "Poppie" (for you Seinfeld aficionados) Rhodes & Darrell Reid)
San Diego – 5 points
Jacksonville – 61 points
NFC
Dallas – 0 points
Green Bay – 6 points
Seattle - 10 points
New York – 0 points
Outside of Jacksonville, the teams that made it to the NFL’s version of the Elite Eight had a locker room free of malcontents & coaches who commanded respect. Once the Jints bought into Coach Coughlin's ways they have taken their game to another level. Veterans like Mark Brunell and ex-Jaguars players like Darius send praises of him b/c of the lessons he tought them, at the time and finally realized it later on.
Here is an exerpt from Peter King's MMQB:
"We can roll our eyes at the control Belichick and Coughlin exert over their teams, and we can seem sure that without independent thinkers like Tiki Barber and Jeremy Shockey and Drew Bledsoe around either team's locker room that it's going to be easier to stay singularly focused. Maybe. But I do know this: The Patriots have bought into Belichick and the Giants, now, have bought into the Coughlin way.
"He's great to me, and he's great for me,'' said Giants running back Brandon Jacobs. "He's one hell of a coach. He treats me like a man. He gets us prepared for everything. What it comes down to with coach is he just wants you to be good. He's going to cut out all the things that take away from your chances to be good.
"I'll give you an example: For a long time, ever since I've been here, he has told us penalties lose games. So cut the penalties. You have a bad turnover ratio, that loses games. During meetings, he'll stress to us, 'This is how this team will try to strip the ball.' And we have started to be that kind of team.''
In the playoffs, the Giants have turned the ball over once in three games. They're plus-five in turnover differential. They're plus-eight in penalty differential; they've committed 14 to their foes' 22.
One final note on Coughlin, from Green Bay running back Ryan Grant, the former Giant.
As a practice-squad running back in 2005, Grant was stuck behind Barber, Derrick Ward, Jacobs and Michael Cloud on the depth chart. Grant's job was to play the opposing running back each week on the scout team. He was LaDainian Tomlinson (San Diego) in Week 3, Clinton Portis (Washington) in Week 8, Brian Westbrook (Philadelphia) in Week 11 ... and then he almost lost his already tenuous job. And his career.
The week before the second Philadelphia game, in Week 14, with the lights off and video of the Eagle defense playing on the big screen, Grant fell asleep in an offensive meeting run by authoritarian coach Tom Coughlin. "Not just a light sleep,'' Grant told SI.com. "I was out. The lights came up, and usually when the lights come on and you're asleep, you wake right up. But I didn't wake up. And I start hearing, 'Grant! GRANT! WAKE THE ---- UP!' It was coach Coughlin. He's like, 'You're sleeping? SLEEPING?! This is Philly week -- the most important game of the year, and you're SLEEPING! I ought to send your ass home! I ought to cut you right now! Go get some water!'
"So I stumble of the room, saying, 'Sorry coach,' and I found out I wasn't the only one sleeping. From behind me I hear, 'Sorry coach.' Anyway, I leave with my tail between my legs and go get some water. That day at practice I went up to him and said, 'Sorry coach, it won't happen again.' And he said, 'Don't apologize to me. Apologize to yourself. I can get anyone to do what you do.' ''
Grant was worried he'd be cut. Coughlin didn't whack Grant because the kid had a great work ethic and he was doing a good job mirroring some of the best running backs in the game. At season's end, Coughlin made a point to tell Grant how much he appreciated his effort to watch tape of each back and then morph himself into that back for the three days of practice against the Giants' first-unit defense. "He told me, 'You carried it 30 times a day and never broke down. You've got a great shot with us next season.' '' said Grant.
The message to Grant: Coughlin was going to be all over him until he proved he deserved the coach's trust. By season's end, he had that trust. When Grant left New Jersey, he left with a good feeling about Coughlin. Most guys feel the same..."
Kyle - I dont think he was screaming at Tynes b/c he missed it; I interperted it as he was like "C'mon Larry, we're going to need you later".
Let me know your thoughts!
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