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Subject: Student opts to play for college...college says NO
Posted by: Ref
- Donor [539581218] Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 18:05
This will make you go hmmmmmmmmm...
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| 1 | Perm Dude
ID: 3714358
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 18:09
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Sounds like a hoax, either on him or the schools.
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| 2 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 18:22
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Law enforcement is involved from several departments it seems so this could be a huge story...
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| 3 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 18:50
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I don't get why this is so "big" with multiple law enforcement agencies? So what if the kid is hoaxing? Do we need to send in the CIA? What am I missing that makes the world stop?
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| 4 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 18:52
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Question is, was someone posing as reps of those colleges? THAT, IMHO, is the primary question for Law Enforcement here.
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| 5 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 19:03
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It was a hoax and for the life of me, I can't see what laws were broken.
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| 6 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 21:23
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This is not a big deal. I guess if Arlen Specter can waste our time and money yapping about whether someone cheated in a frakin' football game then "multiple law enforcement agencies" can waste time and money figuring out how big of a delusional boob this kid and/or coach are. Yawn.
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| 7 | barilko6
ID: 180102816
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 21:42
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If it was someone pretending to be the recruiters/coach/University Reps, then criminal charges would be necessary to provide a Civil Suit for the kid. By misleading him into thinking he had a full ride at Cal, he presumably gave up other opportunities that could have been made available at other schools. It might be too late for the kid to get a decent opportunity lined up at this late stage.
If this is all a hoax by the kid himself, then the charges should be less stiff, but he still mislead an entire town into throwing a party for him, and caused a lot of people to give a lot of time, something that should not go unpunished in my eye.
After reading a couple different accounts, I think its the kid in the wrong, just a gut feeling, but I mean the if he never actually sat face to face with a coach at all, that seems pretty suspicious. Somehow the kid's college coach knows something too, because anyone recruiting a kid in high school would sit down with his high school coach, and from all accounts, his high school coach has been around the block enough times to know how due process is done in the recruiting business.
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| 8 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 22:11
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If it was someone pretending to be the recruiters/coach/University Reps, then criminal charges would be necessary to provide a Civil Suit for the kid.
Huh? Why would criminal charges be necessary for a civil suit? What would the charges be?
If this is all a hoax by the kid himself, then the charges should be less stiff,
And what crime would be charged with? Unlawfully procuring a party?
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| 9 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 22:17
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If this kid is prosecuted then Borat better get a good criminal lawyer...
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| 10 | barilko6
ID: 5125522
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 23:25
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In terms of the kid, if he has lied to the police, then yes he will be subject to charges. According to the New York Times, he gave a "lengthy statement" to the Sheriff's office which included details of money changing hands and about a suspicious recruiter, but since he threw away the contact info, he cannot be sure of who he was or how to get a hold of him.
It is my understanding that anytime you lie to the police in an official statement, charges can, and most likely will, be made.
In terms of the other side, if the kid really was duped, a solid case of personal fraud could be made I think, which could turn into a Civil Suit matter, considering it could cost the kid the chance to enter into a college program with a full scholarship.
Just my thoughts.
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| 11 | barilko6
ID: 5125522
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 23:37
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In a civil lawsuit, the victim brings a case for money damages against the offender or a third party for causing physical or emotional injuries.
(Quoted from a Civil Suit Info Page)
I definitely think that if it is proven that Kevin Hart was mislead by someone into thinking he was getting a full ride at Cal, emotional injuries can be easily proven, especially if it causes him to miss out on another potential opportunity at another school.
Once again, just my thoughts though.
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| 12 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 12:25
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I first thought this was a hoax by the kid until I read where several different departments were involved.
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| 13 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 12:54
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FERNLEY, Nev. -- A third party was allegedly involved in the recruiting gone bad of Fernley High School offensive lineman Kevin Hart, the Lyon County sheriff's office said.
Hart, in a report taken Saturday by deputies, claims someone calling himself Kevin Riley represented himself as a recruiter -- a middle man to big-time college football programs -- and led the 6-foot-5, 290-pounder and his family to believe there were scholarship offers available when there were none.
Deputy Dan Lynch said the report alleges a crime of obtaining money under false pretenses, though finding a suspect could be difficult.
"It's an ongoing investigation but we have no suspect at this point and no info to identify a suspect," Lynch told the Reno Gazette-Journal...
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| 15 | holt
ID: 360131020
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 20:26
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Hart saga comes to an end: 'I made it up'
The Kevin Hart recruiting saga came to an abrupt end this afternoon when the Fernley offensive lineman admitted the entire process was a fraud.
“I wanted to play D-I ball more than anything. When I realized that wasn’t going to happen, I made up what I wanted to be reality,” read a statement sent out by Teri White, assistant superintendent of the Lyon County School District, on behalf of Hart. “I am sorry for disappointing and embarrassing my family, coaches, Fernley High School, the involved universities and reporters covering the story.”
Reached Wednesday afternoon, White said the district continues to conduct its internal investigation into how so many people were duped by the high school senior.
As early as September, Hart said Oregon was heavily recruiting him, but the university said Monday that was never the case.
“We’re looking into the entire picture,” White said.
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| 16 | holt
ID: 360131020
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 20:27
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Wonder if he'll have to do some community service now, runaway bride style. Wasting law enforcement resources is usually frowned upon.
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| 17 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 21:04
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Wasting law enforcement resources is usually frowned upon.
Then those respective law enforcement agencies should be ashamed for wasting their resources inthe first place.
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| 18 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 22:10
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Making up the story is bad enough but to compound it by giving false statements to police about a "middleman fraud" should get some sort of penalty. Those law enforcement thought they were protecting him when they "wasted" their resources.
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| 19 | holt
ID: 360131020
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 01:26
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I don't really care if anything happens to him or not. Just saying that he's most likely going to court over this.
How do people get themselves into messes like that? Was it just ego, or was he trying to boost his worth to a smaller college?
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| 20 | Tree
ID: 1312275
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 06:29
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Was it just ego, or was he trying to boost his worth to a smaller college?
sounds more like he was trying to boost his self-worth...
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| 21 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 10:56
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It reminds me a lot about a friend of mine. In my case, my friend told a couple of us that he was going to try out for an AFL team. We’re thinking; ok, good for you…best of luck buddy! Well that AFL tryout soon morphed into a NFL dream. I don’t know if he was serious or not but he honestly acted like he was going to make the New York Jets as an Undrafted Free Agent! (Mind you: he played special teams at a DIII school and special teams only).
It was pretty obvious to those "in-the-know" that he wasn’t doing anything, but to those who really didn’t know sports as well or knew him judged him at face value: They saw a 6'2 260lb 4.67 40 (he was sure to point out that he ran a 4.6) hard working kid in the gym who can bench press 225 38 times and can squat near 700. I guess Brock Lesnar’s failed attempt with the Vikings really inspired him or something. Nevertheless, it soon grew to where everyone who lifted at the gym now knew about it. Everyday, people would continue asking him, as I am sure the same thing was happening to this Hart kid. Eventually, he was faced with the dilemma: Do I A) Keep this ridiculous lie going? Or B) come out and own up to the whole thing?
Now, in order keep his credibility in tact amongst peers, Hart made the stupid decision by letting the lie manifest for so long…ditto for my buddy. Unlike my buddy, Hart was only 18 years old and was definitely ignorant to the fact that he COULD be facing legal action (as mentioned by holt earlier). Had he thought of that, I doubt he would’ve even done this, or even let it go this far in the first place. One can’t help but wonder what would’ve happened had he tried pulling it to like a lower-tier D1 school like San Jose State. Personally, I find it amusing b/c he’s going to be “that guy” for the rest of his life.
I think I owe you guys the rest of the story (and forgive my penmanship for that I am not the greatest storyteller). Needless to say, he kept it going on and on saying that he spoke with a couple Jets scouts and they liked his potential and what not. At this point I was even getting annoyed b/c he must honestly think I am a fool. But I got more amusement out of the fact he was digging so deep so like the d*ck I am, I would ask him about it at the most inopportune times, thus forcing him to go into the whole schpeel. (Note: Was that wrong of me? *laughs*)
He even went so far as to make a video to send to scouts and suckered the University’s Communications Majors to edit his videos (parachute runs, stairs, 40 times, etc.). The funniest was of him riding a stationary bike in a sauna-suit to the Rocky theme music...it was absolutely priceless. Upon wind of this, one of my other friends caught wind of it (video and all) and contacted me to see if it was true. Oh, I definitely confirmed it was and continued to go along with it. It just so happened that my friend's dad is an accountant who happens to do taxes for an ex-Baltimore Ravens Scout (now working for the 49ers). So we told our buddy about it so that we could score a DVD to give to the scout. He was about as blunt as one could be: “are you kidding me?!?!” Of course we didn’t relay the message and just left it as I guess they didn’t need ya.
On the week before his tryout, he “conveniently” injured his hamstring and his chance of getting paid to play football soon died. To his credit, it was black and blue…but the whole thing still stunk to me. Eventually it all “blowed” (thanks, Emmitt) over…and we haven’t mentioned it since.
In conclusion, I agree both with Holt & Tree...definitely an insecure kid who wanted to look and feel like "the man".
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| 22 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 11:08
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To me, this is a case where I think the best punishment is to just let him deal with the embarrassment of it all. I can't imagine that the local authorities put THAT many resources into this case and that it affected other cases they may have in any significant way. I also can't imagine that it disrupted the authorities normal duties in any significant way. Heck, with the estimated population of Fernley, NV only being about 12,000, it may have actually given the authorities something to do! (I know my town of just over 8,000 is quite boring with a lot of farmland).
I don't want to get too far off topic, but I'm somewhat reminded of a local woman who accidentally left her 9-month-old child in the car while she went to work. The child died from heat exposure and every indication was that the woman completely thought she had dropped the child of at daycare.
This wasn't one of those stories you hear where the mother left the kids in the car while she went into her boyfriend's house for some "fun." Nor was it one of those stories you hear where the mother was just going to "be right back" or didn't want to pay for childcare.
It was clear from the very beginning that she honestly thought she had dropped the child off at daycare and was devastated by her child's death.
Our local prosecutor drew up charges of involuntary manslaughter, mainly because the law said she had to. The case went to trial and the woman was acquitted. Afterwards, the local prosecutor even said that she was satisfied that the system had worked.
Clearly, no amount of jail time or other punishment could ever come close to what that woman will have to live with for the rest of her life. And I think the same thing comes close to applying in this case.
Here you have a high school senior who will now be the laughing stock of his local community. He won't be able to go anywhere in his local community (and, to some extent, the nation now that it's received so much publicity) without being made fun of, pointed at, or laughed at. What's community service going to do that hasn't already been done to him? Is community service, or any other sort of punishment, REALLY going to make him understand things any more than he already does and will in the coming months?
For kids his age, and clearly for someone like him who appears to be grasping for attention, popularity is huge. Now he's going to be popular for all the wrong reasons and I have a feeling he's going to be wishing for a very long time that he'd just stayed normal.
Also, I would probably feel differently if this kid was reacting more along the lines of, "Haaaaaaa! I punk'd you all! Hahahahahahaha!" In that case, clearly there's no remorse and clearly there's malicious intent and that's when punishment should enter the picture. But with everything I've read, this kid seems more like he wishes he could just take it all back and make it all go away; something that's not going to be happening soon.
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| 23 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 11:42
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ESPN's First Take said that he filed a false police report and the school administration is also considering taking action. No charges have been filed at this point.
He could have played somewhere, even a juco to learn the skills (6'5", 290) but now he prob. won't be welcomed anywhere.
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| 24 | holt
ID: 360131020
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 12:21
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Ok, since we're sharing stories here, I've got one that is somewhat related.
I have a cousin who plays guitar (he's a shredder). On his myspace page he's always updating everyone about when he's going back in the studio (the studio is a computer program in his office). He also keeps everyone advised as to when the "album" will be complete (the demos are awful, complete with cheap drum machine and a sea of overdubbed guitars each with 5 effects on them). Last week he posted a link where t-shirts could be purchased (some site that you create a t-shirt simply by uploading a logo and they charge $35! bucks for em). He also goes into detail about the gear he uses (which he embellishes), goes on about theory (scales, modes, time signatures) which he clearly doesn't understand well. He gives lessons to his niece and maybe one or two random dudes, but then refers to these students as his "1 o'clock" or "3 o'clock" in his blogs. He lists false influences (ok, if you think the artists name is Reinhardt Django then you probably aren't really very familiar with him).
Now, he's a really nice guy, and intelligent in his own way. He is somewhat successful here as a local musician (mostly playing in a cover band), but almost everything he "blogs" about is coming from the perspective of some fantasy world. I mean I know him pretty well. We've played in bands together and we hang out as friends occasionally. He knows that I read his blogs. He knows several of his friends and family read them (my brother is always asking me if I read the latest one, then we laugh). So why is he writing as though his audience is a group of anonymous people who will buy into his high-profile professional musician fantasy? I've been trying to figure it out for a while now. As far as I know everyone who reads his myspace page are close friends or family, yet he writes these blogs as though he's writing an article for Guitar Magazine.
It's all fairly harmless, I suppose, but I think the mindset that causes him to create blog fantasies also stunts him as an "artist". He'll never become the kind of musician he dreams of being because he's focused on impressing people and doesn't seem to be focused on creating music that anyone (including himself) will enjoy.
Well, enough about that. It's just something that's been bugging me for a while, and the story that Slizz related really reminded me of it. I find the whole thing pretty fascinating.
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| 25 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 14:57
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Holt, there are a lot of people like that. Maybe they are living vicarioulsy through their own imagination. If you can't dream, you can never achieve, I suppose. It's another to go over the top. Jus tlook at the AI contestants. I can pretty much guess if they can sing or not simply from hearing them tell me how good thy are before they sing. For the most part, the most humble people have the better voices.
Where this REALLY crossed the line is when he filed the false police report. If the school kicks him out for his stunt, that is one thing, but when you go filing a false police report to try and cover it up, well, that's another.
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| 26 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 16:32
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Holt played in a band? Nice.
There's really a simple explanation here. Once upon a time, I made a playercard of myself and used it to impress women.
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| 27 | holt
ID: 360131020
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 00:19
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Yeah, I'm just deciding between competing offers from Capitol records and A&M records. Will make my announcement at a press conference next week.
Once upon a time, I made a playercard of myself and used it to impress women.
hilarious!
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