Posted by: Slizz
- [21733916] Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 17:10
It's just about 1 month away from the 2008 NFL Draft. I figure its time to breathe life back into this thread...again.
Lets talk about some team needs, who you'd like for your respective NFL teams, and what fantasy impact will the incoming crop of rookies will have at the NFL level.
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Slizz
ID: 21733916 Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 17:53
I'm really interested to see where Jamaal Charles goes.
He's not very high on alot of mock drafts, or in the local papers despite his combine #'s. His size is average 5'11 200. He will likely put on 15lbs and still will maintain blazing speed.
I could see him as the soon-to-be feature back in Gary Kubiak's offense. So many good backs this year...should make the G24 draft interesting atop!
Your thoughts?
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Great One
ID: 2241519 Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 19:05
Here's a little more draft news... The NFL has stripped the 49ers of their 2008 fifth-round pick after finding the club guilty of tampering with Bears LB Lance Briggs last October.
The Bears and Niners will also switch picks in the third round, giving Chicago the No. 39 selection. San Francisco moves back to No. 44. This is a pretty significant blow to the 49ers' draft and a nice lift for the Bears. Like he has with off-field conduct, it appears commissioner Roger Goodell will crack down on tampering going forward. Mar. 24 - 6:31 pm et
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 00:28
I'd like to see the Raiders be able to get Chris Long, but fat chance he drops to #4. Glenn Dorsey, Vernon Gholston, and Sedrick Ellis would all fill a need on the DL and are all top 10 talent. I don't see Al Davis passing on McFadden if he is sitting there at #4, even with Fargas, Rhodes, and M. Bush all on the roster (and Jordan who will be cut at some point) and I don't see him trading down. That just isn't his style. Other than the huge contract to Kelly, which was excessive, I'm pretty happy with their offseason moves. With our current secondary (Aso, Hall, Wilson, and Huff) you'd think the Raiders would be able to blitz with their LB more and help stop the run, but I have zero confidence in Ryan's ability to coach the defense. He is an Al Davis yes man.
I don't see any significant fantasy implications with the Raider draft. It will be interesting to see how Russell develops and if he can continue his chemistry with Zach Miller. The addition of Walker, when healthy, is actually good news for Curry owners because he should see a lot of single coverage. I expect big things from Bush in the future, but it is RBBC right now and if McFadden is added to the mix...well, craziness.
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wiggs Sustainer
ID: 04991311 Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 13:47
As a Dallas fan I am hoping we do not trade up to get McFadden- now dont get me wrong, I think he is an awesome player and if we do get him I would still be ok with that.
What I am looking for Dallas to do and I think all 3 things can be accomplished fairly easily.
Round 1- Pick 22- Pick a WR- I would guess atleast 1 of these guys would be available. Limas Sweed, Malcome Kelly or Deshawn Jackson
Round 1 Pick 28- Pick a RB- I would think atleast 1 of these guys should be available. Rashard Mendenhall, Jonathan Stewart (although I am not sure about his injury), or Felix Jones
Then Pick up Pacman at Corner- I know he has issues, but he is worth a low draft pick if he comes back to his old form he is a steal.
If we dont get pacman- Cromartie,McKelvin, Jenkins or Talib might be available with 28 and then look for a RB in the 2nd round in a player like Chris Johnson out of East Carolina
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Slizz
ID: 38212621 Sat, Mar 29, 2008, 15:04
Good posts guys! Sorry I havent been able to be active...the job is taking alot of my free time away.
Couple takeaway points:
I think the Raiders are going to go with Vernon Gholston. We all know its no secret Al Davis loves freakish talent, and I think Gholston offers the most of that atop the draft. He has the flexibility to play end as well as OLB in the 3-4 plus he fills a need for Oakland.
As for McFadden, I don't think McFadden is going to be as good as a pro as everyone makes him out to be. He only managed 13 reps @ 225 (I believe 1/2 of what Adrian Peterson had). Shoot, I can do that as most people who goto a gym for 1+ years can as well. Sure hes fast, but so was Reggie Bush and he'll go down as soon as a guy like Tommie Harris breathes on him. Also, he only caught 46 out of the backfield...HIS ENTIRE CAREER (Mendenhall had 34 his senior year)! That likely makes him a pass blocking liability as well.
People compare him to Adrian Peterson b/c of his speed. Dont get it twisted...Adrian Peterson was a man amongst men size and strength wise. McFadden is nothing more than a burner. Fantasy-wise, I think McFadden isnt even the best bet in the draft. That moniker will go to Jonathan Stewart. 4.4 speed, ability to receieve out of the backfield + Jamal Lewis size. Hes a guy you can pound it in and bounce outside with.
Also TB, The Contra-Costa Times (I believe) mentioned a couple months back that the Raiders were quietly shopping Michael Huff. It would not surprise me to see him shipped off on draft day if, indeed, the whispers are true. They have Gibril Wilson and Stuart Schweigert (who seems to get more playing time than he probably deserves).
Nevertheless, the Raiders need continuity more than anything else these days. They have revolving doors at almost every important senior position and there is no stability on the team or within the organization.
Wiggs, I don't think Sweed is going to fall that far. I honestly think Buffalo is going to surprise some people take take him @ #11. They dont have any "Possession WRs" for Trent Edwards to go to and take the pressure off of Lee Evans.
In the event they do not get Sweed, do they take a chance on Devin Thomas from Michigan State?
I think they are going to keep their fingers crossed Arizona does not take a RB and take whoever from the "Big 3" falls to them. I think Mendenhall goes to Detroit @ #15 and it all depends on what Houston does @ #18. If they dont take a RB, theres a good chance they can get Stewart with their pick from Cleveland. If not, I could see Felix Jones as a good possibility at that point.
Also, I agree with you that Talib or a CB will be next off the board for them to hedge against pacmans playing time (and newman injuries) while making their defensive secondary stronger. Given the fact that Dallas will be playing in front of teams most games, they're going ot need more secondary help they can get.
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Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418 Mon, Mar 31, 2008, 18:39
As usual, I don't agree with just about everything in Slizz's post. First, I doubt he has a job.
There is one point that I totally agree. I moved to this small town just over a year ago and joined the local gym, a total hole-in-the-wall. They just signed some deal with an insurance company so that retired senior citizens can join for free, so now the place looks like an AARP shareholders meeting. The old farts took a little while to get the knack of the place, but now they are doing fine.
Now a year has elapsed and what do you know, most of these old guys are knocking out sets of 12 to 15 225lbs. bench presses, just as Slizz said. So, yeah, Darren McFadden is a pansy, a soft little flower who will wilt when hit.
But Slizz is a Bears fan and an SEC fan, so he obviously doesn't know much about football, the rest of his advice should be scorned. :)
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Slizz
ID: 21733916 Thu, Apr 03, 2008, 16:44
I aim to please :)
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Slizz
ID: 27319199 Sat, Apr 19, 2008, 11:53
I'd like to see the Bears go with an offensive tackle @ #14...preferably Branden Albert (6'7 Guard who projects as a Left Tackle in the NFL)out of UVA. Unfortunately the Jets screwed the team picking in the #14 slot with Derelle Revis' ridiculous 6 year contract so it would probably make more sense to trade down with a team like the Eagles who want to move up. Fallback - Chris Williams out of Vandy.
After that I would like to see the Bears go with another offensive lineman (pref. Sam Baker). I dont see the quality in the other positions and if they go best player available they will still fill a need.
With the two picks in the 3rd round is where I'd address RB & QB - Best player available: Jamaal Charles, Ray Rice, Steve Slaton, etc. In a Runningback by Committee system, I dont really value the RB as much as the offensive line. Why pay a high price for a RB who is only one hit away from a career ending injury (see Cadillac Williams).
QB - I am going to reach on a prospect and hope that we dont start him at all his Rookie season: Josh Johnson from San Diego. The guys #'s are out of this world, he operated UNDER CENTER (which I think is very imporant), had 45 to 1 TD/INT ratio...completed nearly 70% of his passes (Career) in a pro-style offense designed by Jim Harbaugh. I think if you give him time to adjust to the pro game and develop he will be a franchise-type QB.
as for the WR that Chicago "desperately" needs. I'd go with Lavelle Hawkins in the 4th. He was one of the best WR at the senior bowl and isnt getting much press. Something tells me he'll be there come time Chicago picks in the 4th. Either him or Jordy Nelson.
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Myboyjack
ID: 8216923 Mon, Apr 21, 2008, 13:15
If this isn't the way it breaks down it's the fault of the idiots in the NFL, not mine...
1. Miami Chris Long E/LB Virginia 2. St. Louis Vernon Ghoulston DE Ohio State 3. Atlanta Jake Long T Michigan 4. Oakland Darren McFadden RB Arkansas 5. Kansas City Glenn Dorsey DT Louisiana State 6. NY Jets Ryan Clady OT Boise State 7. New England Leodis McElvin CB Troy State 8. Baltimore Matt Ryan QB Boston College 9. Cincinnati Sedrick Ellis DT USC 10. New Orleans Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee State 11. Buffalo Derrick Harvey DE Florida 12. Denver Keith Rivers LB USC 13. Carolina Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt 14. Chicago Branden Albert G Virginia 15. Detroit Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois 16. Arizona Jonathon Stewart RB Oregon 17. Kansas City* Mike Jenkins CB South Florida 18. Houston Antoine Cason CB Arizona 19. Philadelphia Jeff Otah OT Piitsburgh 20. Tampa Bay Devin Thomas WR Michigan State 21. Washington Phillip Merling DE Clemson 22. Dallas Limas Sweed WR Texas 23. Piitsburgh Gosder Cherilus OT Boston Colege 24. Tennessee James Hardy WR Indiana 25. Seattle Desean Jackson WR California 26. Jacksonville Kentwan Balmer DT North Carolina 27. Atlanta** Brian Brohm QB Louisville 28. Dallas Kenny Phillips S Miami 29. San Francisco Aqib Talib CB Kansas 30. Green Bay Quentin Groves LB Auburn 31. NY Giants Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee
*From Minnesota ** From San Diego
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Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418 Tue, Apr 22, 2008, 11:39
So it wasn't enough that they gave KC Superbowl IV, now the Vikings give them their first round draft pick as well? Are you assuming that the Vikes couldn't get their pick up in time and the remaining 13 teams ran up to the podium with their picks? Mike Tice is no longer with the team!
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Myboyjack
ID: 8216923 Tue, Apr 22, 2008, 11:43
I'm assuming that the Vikes get Jared Allen - that should make you feel better.
I'm also assuming that all this talk of a contract between the Fins and either Jake Long or Vernon Ghoulston is all just subterfuge.
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Great One
ID: 233541511 Tue, Apr 22, 2008, 11:43
Perhaps something to do with Jared Allen I presume.
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Myboyjack
ID: 8216923 Tue, Apr 22, 2008, 13:16
Looks like the Dolphins and Jake Long have agreed on a contract....so much for my Parcells Subterfuge theory.
I think St Louis and Atlanta take Ghoulston and Long and the rest goes according to plan unless Atlanta doesn't like Chris Long, trades down with New Orleans (who would take Dorsey) etc.
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Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418 Tue, Apr 22, 2008, 13:57
Jared Allen would look good in Purple and Gold.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Apr 22, 2008, 17:52
The Raiders. Well 'nuff said. They have stated that Fargas is now their future. Will they still take McFadden? Trade the pick or simply take someone else?
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NY Studs
ID: 3821614 Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 09:25
Let me know what you think:
Round 1 1. Miami. T Jake Long, Michigan. In the end, Long takes a deal for less money than JaMarcus Russell got last year and the Dolphins get their bookend for the next 10 years. John Beck gets a reprieve… at least until Round 2.
2. St. Louis. DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU. There’s a reason numerous teams are willing to trade up for Dorsey: he’s the jewel of the draft. With Dorsey clogging the middle, Leonard Little and 2007 1st rounder, Adam Carriker will be free to attack the QB.
3. Atlanta. QB Matt Ryan, Boston College. The anti-Vick.
4. Oakland. DE Vernon Gholston, Ohio State. Al Davis loves athletic freaks. Gholston fits the bill and a need for the Raiders.
5. Kansas City. DE Chris Long, Virginia. [This pick is contingent upon the consummation of a Jared Allen deal.] Herm Edwards is a strong believer in character. Few are more impressive than Howie’s son.
6. New York Jets. RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas. As a Jets fan, I can only hope this is the scenario that plays out. Coupling McFadden with Clemens should help the young signal-caller’s development.
7. New England. DT Sedrick Ellis, USC. Has anyone seen Richard Seymour since 2005? Me either.
8. Baltimore. CB Leodis McKelvin, Troy. Baltimore needs to get younger at the cornerback position, and by all accounts, McKelvin is the best of an impressive class.
9. Cincinnati. LB Keith Rivers, USC. Even with Odell Thurman back in the mix, linebacker is a position of need.
10. New Orleans. CB Mike Jenkins, South Florida. Jason David just won’t cut it.
11. *Detroit (trade with Buffalo). CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Tennessee State. Detroit knows a great value when they see it (see: Williams, Mike). Sarcasm aside, Detroit would be wise to move to assure themselves of getting a top-notch corner.
12. Denver. OT Chris Williams, Vanderbilt. Ryan Clady might be the better prospect, but Williams is the better fit.
13. Carolina. RB Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois. Out: DeShaun Foster. In: Rashard Mendenhall. There’s a reason the Panthers didn’t hand the starting gig to DeAngelo Williams: he’s soft. Mendenhall is not.
14. Chicago. T Ryan Clady, Boise State. Clady is a top-10 talent and the Bears, who pride themselves on their running game, need some hole-openers. Clady is a nice start.
15. *Buffalo (trade with Detroit). DE Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina. Our first surprise of the day. The North Carolina product has huge upside to go along with huge bust potential.
16. Arizona. RB Jonathan Stewart, Oregon. The Cardinals can groom Stewart to be Edgerrin James’ long-term replacement. This would be a dream scenario for Stewart as he wouldn’t have to rush back prematurely from toe surgery.
17. #Kansas City (trade with Minnesota for Jared Allen). G/T Branden Albert, Virginia. In this scenario, the Chiefs would get the offensive lineman they desperately need. The Chiefs are considering Albert at #5 so this would be a steal.
18. Houston. OT Jeff Otah, Pittsburgh. The Texans have a clear game plan in place: solidify the offensive and defensive lines through the draft and worry about the rest later.
19. Philadelphia. WR Devin Thomas, Michigan State. Although I’m personally not a believer, it’s clear the Eagles need weapons on offense.
20. Tampa Bay. CB Aqib Talib, Kansas. A slam dunk selection if he’s still on the board at 20.
21. Washington. DE Derrick Harvey, Florida. Inconsistent, but has limitless potential.
22. Dallas. RB Felix Jones, Arkansas. This pick has nothing to do with the fact that he’s a ‘Hog and everything to do with the fact he’s the best running back available and the perfect complement to Marion Barber.
23. Pittsburgh. DE/OLB Quentin Groves, Auburn. Another match made in heaven. Groves just seems like a Steelers-type player. Groves is my pick for Defensive Rookie of the Year no matter where he ends up.
24. Tennessee. WR Limas Sweed, Texas. Because Vince Young said so.
25. Seattle. DE Phillip Merling, Clemson. Off-season surgery caused his stock to slip but he would be a great fit in Seattle.
26. Jacksonville. LB Jerod Mayo, Tennessee. There’s talk of Mayo going as high as 12th overall so the Jags could do a lot worse.
27. ^Baltimore (trade with San Diego). QB Brian Brohm, Louisville. Unitas, Boller, Brohm. Two out of three ain’t bad, I guess. Brohm is a model of consistency, something that has been sorely locking in Charm City.
28. % Cincinnati (trade with Dallas for Chad Johnson). WR/KR Jordy Nelson, Kansas State. The anti-Chad Johnson.
29. San Francisco. OT Gosder Cherilus, Boston College. In order to see what kind of player Alex Smith can be, the ‘9ers need to get him some protection. 2007 1st rounder, Joe Stale was a nice start. Cherilus would be welcomed with open arms.
30. Green Bay. TE Fred Davis, USC. When losing a Hall of Fame quarterback, I think it wise to give his replacement as many options as possible. Maybe I’m crazy.
31. New York Giants. S Kenny Phillips, Miami. NFL Draft Law 13.1 reads, “At least one player from the University of Miami must be selected in Round 1 each and every year.” Works out nicely since the Giants need some secondary help.
The Next 5 32. Miami. QB Chad Henne, Michigan. 33. St. Louis. WR Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma. 34. Atlanta (from Oakland). WR Early Doucet, LSU. 35. Kansas City. OT Duane Brown, Virginia Tech. 36. New York Jets. WR/KR DeSean Jackson, California.
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Great One
ID: 233541511 Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 09:51
I can only pray the Jets come out of this with a couple new offensive weapons. I might need to go to church Saturday morning!
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 11:01
ESPN just announced that there is a frim belief throughout the league that the Jets will be trading up to get the 2nd pick.
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barilko6
ID: 3732117 Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 11:05
I guess the Jets really think Oakland is targeting McFadden?
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Great One
ID: 233541511 Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 12:04
Sadly, I think its cause they want to get Matt Ryan ahead of Atlanta.
On the other hand Tannenbaum and Mangini really can't afford another 3-13 type season while they wait on Ryan to grow into a QB - so rolling the dice with McFadden seems to make more sense cause I'm sure they realize that as well.
I'd be happy with Chris Long too.
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art's in the hall
ID: 1531918 Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 18:47
Great stuff.
ochoa cinco to the redskins not dallas. I just hope they don't give away the farm to get him, like they usually do. The continue to overpay for players.
If they don't get chad it has to be a DE. So harvery or Merling would fit. I could see them try to move up for some strange reason as well. The Skins drafts since synder has taken over are completley unpredictable because they really haven't had much of draft in past years.
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Pancho Villa
ID: 495272016 Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 19:56
Seattle just released Shaun Alexander. Will they stake their rushing future on Julius Jones, TJ Duckett and Maurice Morris?
Look for the Hawks to draft a RB, maybe Jonathon Stewart (Oregon), Jaamal Charles(Texas) or Felix Jones(Arkansas).
Its funny you put groves to the stillers...he grew up a fan of iron city!
2. St. Louis - right church, wrong pew. I think Saints trade up to draft Glen Dorsey. If they hold the pick. Chris Long & Carriker will anchor that d-line for years to come.
3. Atlanta - they take Dorsey - DT - LSU. I think they hold till a QB in the 2nd round. If the Saints trade up and take Dorsey, atlanta will go with Matt Ryan.
4. Oakland - Vernon Gholston - DE/LB - Ohio State: Fills a need on the defensive line, features freakish talent that Al Davis loves. However, I think Davis wants to draft Devin Thomas from Michigan State as well...so assuming that Dorsey doesnt go in the top 3 (Long/Long/Ryan), I think they make a deal with a team who wants Dorsey in the low teens and get Devin Thomas.
5. Kansas City - They lost Jared Allen, miss out on Gholston and Chris Long (assuming no trades), they will go with Clady from Boise State. I agree.
6. New York Jets - Run DMC (just felt like saying that)
7. New England - Leodis McKelvin - CB - Troy, they address the line later in the draft. I think they would also like to trade down a few spots and recoup some extra draft picks.
8. Baltimore - Dominique Rogers-Cromartie - CB - Tennessee State: Kid is a workout freak...and being related to the 2007 INT leader doesnt hurt either.
9. Cincinnati - Sedrick Ellis, DT - USC. Gets the defensive line shored up.
10. New Orleans - Mike Jenkins, CB - USF. I am tempted to go with Rivers here as well. Jason David was god awful and I think CB is a bigger priority to them at this point.
Now if they deal with St. Louis, the Rams take Kentwan Balmer, shore up the interior line at a fraction of the cost.
If they deal with Oakland, Devin Thomas - Book it.
11. Buffalo - Devin Thomas, WR - Michigan State. Gives them a nice compliment to Lee Evans who brings size and speed. 1b) Mike Jenkins, CB - USF. I doubt Detroit will trade up for a CB, especially in the cover 2 where cornerback is the least important position in that scheme.
12. Denver - Keith Rivers, LB - USC. Shanahan bolsters up the LB corps. I still think he needs offensive line help too. But it wouldnt surprise me to see them take Sam Baker in round 2.
13. Carolina - Jonathan Stewart, RB - Oregon. I think the inside/outside threat of a Stewart/Williams combo is too tempting to pass up. Plus getting a guy who can come in and contribute right away will keep Fox off the hot seat for one more year.
14. Chicago - Branden Albert, G/T - Virginia. Sure his skeptics will say "why didnt he beat out D'Brickashaw?". Well for starters, D'Brickashaw was a Senior when he was a sophomore. The guy has potential and made the right move coming out. Bears need a Guard and a right tackle. The "impact - i.e. players who could probably start this season" players at Guard and Tackle run 8 deep this draft.
15. Detroit - Derrick Harvey, DE - Florida. Its a layup. Marinelli tips his pick for the 2nd year in a row. Banana in Millens pocket for Harvey?
16. Arizona - Antoine Cason, CB - Arizona. I think its a bit of a reach, but hey its the cardinals! I like seeing hometown players (i.e. Cason) play in their home state. I want to say Talib, but I just think his recent troubles are going to hurt him (not big, but maybe 10 slots).
Thats it for me tonight, i'll finish up the 2nd half tomorrow.
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Slizz
ID: 27319199 Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 00:09
Call me crazy, but I think Shaun Alexander to the Pats is a real possibility. They have this fountain of youth which still allowed Junior Seau to play at a high level (i know HGH most likely has something to do with that) this late in his career. They also squeezed every last drop out of corey dillon, even with a bum knee.
Dont rule out the Panthers either. Panthers are close in proximity to his hometown of Florence, KY and have a need for RB.
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Slizz
ID: 21733916 Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 09:37
This thread is slowly becoming a blog for me...
From Profootballtalk.com:
SAINTS LOADING THE CANNON FOR RUN AT DORSEY Posted by Mike Florio on April 25, 2008, 8:17 a.m. How interested are the New Orleans Saints in landing defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey? They’re reportedly including in the trade package starting left tackle Jamaal Brown.
According to Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com, the Saints are shopping Brown, a Pro Bowler in 2006.
Presumably, the Saints have offered Brown and the No. 10 overall pick to the Rams, for the No. 2 selection. If so, how do the Rams not take it? Brown is under contract through 2011, at a base salary of only $752,500 this year.
At No. 10, the Rams could then target someone like Florida defensive end Derrick Harvey. It would allow the Rams to address significant needs on each side of the line, and ensure them at least one proven player as a result of the transaction.
Man, I dont know how good their offensive line is going to be losing both Faine & Brown. -----
Now if that happens...look for the Lions to trade up for Harvey. Gotta love Millen on draft day.
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Great One
ID: 233541511 Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 10:11
Heck, if McFadden isn't there (and Dorsey is -which could happen Long, Long, Ryan, DMC, Gholston...) I would hope the Jets jump on that deal and add that one last lineman which allows Woody to slide back over to G and also get a good talent at #10.
I'd much rather see that than Matt Ryan too. But of course if Matt Ryan is there... that means somebody took Dorsey already (unless Sedrick Ellis gets shuffled up a bit) so it wouldn't even be offered at that point.
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Slizz
ID: 21733916 Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 11:06
I think Ryan is the most likely to fall. Henne has had a better overall body of work IMO than Matt Ryan (look at all 4 years) plus from what I've been reading they're running about equal. I think we'll see something similar to Brady Quinn & Aaron Rodgers with Ryan b/c of the expected value at the tail end in the 1st they'd provide in a trade.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Atlanta draft Dorsey (assuming NO doesnt move up for him), trade back into the 1st round to get Ryan or Henne or Flacco...whichever QB they have on their radar.
Another trade I think is going to happen. (Makes too much sense not too, which is why it wont). I get the hunch that San Diego is going to trade their 1st rounder to Miami for Jason Taylor. Imagine how fearsome their defense would be if they pulled the trigger on that one.
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barilko6
ID: 3732117 Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 11:13
I can't see Matt Ryan falling past Baltimore at the 8 spot, and wouldn't be surprised to see Atlanta, or even KC, or the NYJ taking him.
If he is there at 8, I think Baltimore will select him.
I dont know alot about Gholston, but his numbers dont look that good to me. Definately not worth a top 10 pick. What am I missing about him. It doesnt even look like he is the best Defensive player on his Ohio State team.
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Slizz
ID: 21733916 Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 12:07
I do agree with you on that wiggs...but the guy creates pressure and has the physical tools (a la Shawne Merriman). Coaches fall in love with raw talent / potential and hes got boatloads of it. Personally, I like Chris Long better.
Barilko - I like Chad Henne to the Ravens more than Ryan, even if he's there @ 8. Henne is just as mobile (and thats about as fast as a sloth) and has a better arm. Now look at their overall body of work:
You take away BC's awesome start and comeback vs VT in Blacksburg...I doubt we are talking about Ryan as a top 10 pick.
Also, its beyond me how just about every pundit is dogging Brian Brohm. The guy had better #'s and physical tools on par everyone, including Flacco (the guy has a cannon, i admit it)...yet we're talking about him going in the 2nd!
Baltimore gets a starting CB and QB of the future in the 1st and 2nd rounds, or even trades back up.
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louky
ID: 1326296 Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 12:48
Everything I read on Brohm concerns his arm strenght. I've watched him play since he was in the 10th grade, he has no trouble with the deep ball, and is deadly accurate. His senior season was a bit of a disappointment, but he went thru a coaching change, and more importantly the new staff decided to run the plays in vs signaling. The end result was Brohm was deprived of one of best talents, reading and adjusting at the line. There was just no time. Still he put up better numbers than Ryan and the other "elites". I can't believe he will slip to the 2nd round, an if so someones gonna get a steal, and long term talent.
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barilko6
ID: 180102816 Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 13:05
I don't know about the Henne and Ryan comparisons. Sports Weekly had some independant scouts going on record to say that Matt Ryan is the best draft prospect available since Carson Palmer, and that is saying a lot.
I think Ryan is heads and shoulders above the rest of the QB class, save for Josh Johnson, who I will wait to see how he adjusts at the Pro Level.
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Myboyjack
ID: 8216923 Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 13:06
Brohm will go in the 1st round; wouldn't surprise me if he were the 1st QB taken. He's clearly the best NFL prospect. He had a hell of a Pro Day.
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Slizz
ID: 21733916 Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 14:31
I agree with you guys on Brohm. I just dont want to drink the Matt Ryan kool-aid. He threw too many interceptions.
Barilko, I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement about the comparisons to Carson Palmer for one reason only: Arm Strength.
Palmer has the 2nd strongest in the NFL (behind Russell). He can make every single throw in the book (within reason) 15 yard dig route, Palmer has the zip to fit that ball in there before the safety/defensive back can pick it off. I dont know if Ryan has that arm strength. Same with the 15 yard out...can Ryan make those throws with the narrow time windows?
Who knows, in college, yea...NFL is a whole new ballgame. Those are pick 6's with a weak/average arm (see chad pennington vs Buffalo).
Personally, I dont care for any of the QB's but Josh Johnson. Like Barilko, I hope he doesnt get thrown into the fire right away. He needs to goto a team that is going to sit him for a year or so (i.e. Chad Pennington) and allow him to adjust to the pro game.
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barilko6
ID: 180102816 Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 14:42
Slizz...I don't think they were comparing the two QB's skillsets, just saying that Ryan was the best prospect they have seen since Palmer.
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Slizz
ID: 21733916 Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 16:07
Sorry Barilko, I tend to read into statements too much...
Unbelieveable that Brohm slips to the second round for the Bears and they don't take him. Organization is just a complete joke.
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G Donor
ID: 5810561615 Sat, Apr 26, 2008, 21:58
As a Steeler fan I spent most draft days looking at player ranking sheets only to see the Steelers grab some guy several spots down on the "highest ranked player" list.
I have never seen something like I saw this year. According to rivals.com, the Steelers got the 2nd best back (12 overall) with the 23rd pick (great value) and the top WR with the 53rd pick (25 overall).
I thought for certain they were going O-Line and D-Line with their needs this year but it is hard to argue with the value they got. Two top notch 1st round guys at the skill position is anything but the normal boring Steeler draft.
What the heck is Dallas thinking? I like Felix Jones- but would have rather had Mendenhall.
I can live with Jenkins at 25- but i am not sure they really needed to trade up to get him. I could also live with that though.
Round 2- Why take a TE here? We just traded away Anthony Fasano and Akin Ayodele for a lousy 4th round pick. I thought we still needed a WR at this point.
Would have loved Bennett from Vandy, or Doucet from LSU
Round 3- pick 92- Have a shot at Mario Manningham and instead trade the pick for pick 111 and an extra 4th rounder next season
Seemed like Jones just didnt want to make any picks but instead continued to trade away picks
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Tree
ID: 3533298 Mon, Apr 28, 2008, 11:04
funny thing is that the cowboy fans in my office LOVED the draft.
Jones is a better compliment to Barber than Mendenhall. a true lightening to the thunder.
why take a TE? because you need a second TE. Dallas might very well have been thinking TE all the way here, which is why they shopped Fasano. you really think he was worth more than a 4th rounder at this point? the guy they drafted is a better blocker and catcher than Fasano is, and a much better back up and second TE in a two TE set.
yes, dallas needs a WR. but come on, the talent pool in WR was pretty thin in this year's draft. better to wait it out and see which malcontent (chad johnson maybe?) demands a trade.
drafting WRs is more of a crap shoot than drafting QBs. i'd rather take my chances with finding a solid, established guy.
why take a TE? because you need a second TE. Dallas might very well have been thinking TE all the way here, which is why they shopped Fasano. you really think he was worth more than a 4th rounder at this point? the guy they drafted is a better blocker and catcher than Fasano is, and a much better back up and second TE in a two TE set.
No i do not think he is worth more then a 4th, but i like Ayodele at LB and I like Fasano as a back TE. I hate using a 2nd round pick on a back up.
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barilko6
ID: 180102816 Mon, Apr 28, 2008, 12:36
I don't think there was any doubt in my mind that one of the Arkansas RB's was going to end up in Dallas. BoDog even had it at straight-up odds that Dallas took a Razorback in the draft.
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Slizz
ID: 21733916 Mon, Apr 28, 2008, 16:55
JT - have no fear, I think we are fine at QB. We needed protection anyhow. With our swiss cheese line, I think Peyton Manning would've had trouble getting the ball off. Bears will be fine...just give Rex/Orton some protection and watch them sling!
More I look at it, I loved the Bears draft...Got our "franchise LT", contributing RB, slot WR to go over the middle since we lost Moose, and a depth at the DT position. You saw how bad our defense was with Anthony Adams and Darwin Walker. We now have a nice 4 tackle rotation with Tommmie Harris.
Also cant underestimate the acquisition of Craig Steltz who should help anchor our special teams since we lost cameron worrell, todd johnson, and ayanbendejo.
Earl Bennett looks to be a promising prospect. We lacked a guy to go over the middle and he specializes in it, has good size and speed (6'0 210, 4.4).
X WR - Booker Y WR - Hester Z WR - Bennett
Plus we have two very good TE's in Olsen & Clark.
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Boxman
ID: 571114225 Mon, Apr 28, 2008, 20:27
Overall I think the Bears did a great job. Monday morning quarterbacks never throw interceptions, but I'll still say that they were right to pass up on Brohm or Henne in the 2nd round to take a RB. Cedric Benson is worse than either Grossman or Orton.
The Bears upgraded three positions in two picks. Tait will now slide over to RT, Williams goes to LT and right now I can see giving Forte at least a split share piece of the starting RB job.
I really liked the Bennett pick in the 3rd round. I question picking Harrison later in the 3rd because he sounds like Tank Johnson all over again. I would have preferred a guard or a tackle to shift over to guard with that pick instead.
Steltz should take Archuleta's roster spot before the preseason is over. Not that he'll start, but at least Archie is gone. You know that Mike Brown will get hurt before Week 2 so drafting a safety was a no brainer.
I don't know what in the heck they were thinking taking another corner (they have plenty of bodies there) unless if Vasher's groin terrifies them. I haven't heard anything recently about Vasher's health one way or another.
I don't like the Davis pick at TE either. They drafted Olsen in the first round last year and he'll turn out just fine and Clark is a solid second option there. Perhaps Clark is a goner now?
A DE pick makes sense because Baldwin is a speed rusher and they could really use another one to rotate in and out with Ogunleye/Brown/Anderson.
The other 7th round picks I thought were excellent given the place in the draft they were taken. Two more O-lineman which they desperately need, an LB to replace Ayanbedejo on special teams, and Marcus Monk is taller than some trees.
Angelo wanted four starters out of this draft and I think he'll come pretty close to hitting that mark eventually with Williams, Forte, Steltz, and Bennett.
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Great One
ID: 2241519 Mon, Apr 28, 2008, 20:43
Its funny you mention being baffled by another TE being chosen by your squad... I was trying to figure out why the Jets would pay extra to jump up and get Keller when they already have the decent Chris Baker and just signed Franks.
I certainly don't see all 3 making the team so something is probably up there as well. And I doubt they are cutting the guy they just signed or drafted in the 1st round. Anyone with a good feel for how good Keller is? Kiper compared him to Ben Watson.
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