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Subject: Anybody ever played in a 20 team league before????
Posted by: sarge33rd
- [76442923] Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 09:13
Gonna be in one this year via GLB Football. Snake draft, meaning if a guy has 1st overall, 79 players will come off the board before it come back around to him again.
Dont know our draft order yet, but if anyone has any experience in a draft this long, I'd sure appreciate any insights you care to share.
Scoring, rosters etc...are pretty much standard. IDP btw vs team defenses. |
| 1 | JeffG
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ID: 01584348
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 09:39
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Its only 38 players selected between picks for the #1 overall, but still.
I imagine byes would be something to watch out for with QB (and to a lesser extent D/ST and PK) since there are only 32 NFL teams. That means at most that only 12 of the 20 fantasy teams have a starting QB as their backup.
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| 2 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 09:59
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Its a snake draft..1st pick rd 1 = 40th pick rd 2. 2nd pick by #1 overall is the 80th man off the board. Almost hoping to be in the middle of the pack somewhere 9th-13th overall.
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| 3 | leggestand
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ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 10:10
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I am confused.
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| 4 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 10:11
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How so?
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| 5 | Perm Dude
ID: 20746619
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 10:11
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The G24 league does that 4 teams better!
They key is draft prep. A bad draft and you are sunk.
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| 6 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 10:14
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Draft Prep..yeah, thats what I'm doing. lol Asking for input/suggestions/experiences of those who have done this in this deep a league. I'm almost thinking a stud QB would be a necessity REAL early in the draft, since as was mentioned above, not every team is going to have the option of a starter as a backup for bye weeks. That would of course depend, on where you are in the draft and who is still on the board when you make your pick. But in this scenario, I can see T Brady going as a nr1 pick pretty easily.
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| 7 | Perm Dude
ID: 20746619
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 10:20
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Well, that depends upon your scoring system. If I were you I'd certainly do some projections of the top 15 position players, then rank them strictly based upon fantasy point projections.
I don't suppose you can pick your draft spot? I'd think you'd want to move down to the middle of the order if possible.
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| 8 | PuNk42AE
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ID: 036635522
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 10:46
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If it's 20 teams wouldn't round 1 be #1-20, then Round 2 be reversed order from #21-40?
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| 9 | leggestand
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ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 11:09
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Meaning the 1st pick would have pick #1 and pick #40. Unless I am missing something, I can't see how the 2nd round pick is pick #80?
Agree with PD, you want a middle pick.
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| 10 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 11:20
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Sarge....you need to get better at math if you want to be up against 19 other players.
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| 11 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 11:25
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right....thats what I get for posting while suffering from IJD. (Insufficient Java Disorder.) High Blood Pressure so I've cut back from 3 pots/day to 3 cups. :( Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
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| 12 | leggestand
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ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 11:43
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How many RB's and WR's do you need to start? Do you have a flex?
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| 13 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 11:56
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Stat Categories:
Passing Yards (25 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-2.5)
Sacks (-1)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Receptions (0.5)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Yards (0.1 yards per point)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles (-1)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards (-3)
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards (-2)
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards (-1)
Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards (-0.5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Point After Attempt Missed (-1)
Tackle Solo (1)
Tackle Assist (0.5)
Sack (3)
Interception (4)
Fumble Force (3)
Fumble Recovery (1)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Pass Defended (1)
Block Kick (2)
Fractional Points: Yes
Negative Points: Yes
QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, D, D, D, DB, DB, DL, DL, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN
D = LBs
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| 14 | leggestand
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ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 12:08
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Having return yards is helpful, as you won't need to have the standard 2 RB's and WR's that are traditional RB's, so, it doesn't look like you are forced to go RB-RB or even RB-WR.
Six points/passing TD also moves up all of the top QB's...with the 7th pick, would you take Marshawn Lynch, or Brady? I'd lean towards Brady, if he falls that far in this league...he actually may turn into a top 3 pick with Manning, Palmer, Brees, and Romo going soon after. I wouldn't be surprised to see 7 QB's off the board by the end of the 2nd round, given the scoring.
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| 15 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 12:10
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Are we correct to assume this is a NON-keeper league?
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| 16 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 12:15
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You are correct Species.
And yes, with the 6 pts per passing TD, thats why I mentioned above that I wouldnt necessarily be surprised to see a player take Brady with the 1st overall pick. Its a slam dunk, he wont be there come their 2nd pick.
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| 17 | leggestand
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ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 12:26
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I hate to put anything in stone, as you never know how the draft will shake out, but here's how I would be preparing for my first 3 rounds:
A) If I had pick 1-2, I'd be leaning towards RB-WR-QB
B) If I had pick 3-6, I'd be leaning towards QB-WR-RB
C) If I had pick 7-14, I'd be leaning towards RB-QB-WR
D) If I had pick 15-20, I'd be leaning towards QB-RB-WR
This will certainly all changes as the draft progresses, but thats where I'd be based on my projections.
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| 18 | Ref
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ID: 539581218
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 12:39
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RB-RB if at all possible. If you get a QB in the first round, you likely won't win it. Let someone else take the big name and you clean up in points.
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| 19 | leggestand
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ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 14:47
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I am off the RB-RB kick, as I think there are too many "maybes" that are hanging around as early as round 2, particularly in a 20 team league.
Assuming that 5 QB's and 5 WR's go off the board in the first two rounds, that would mean 30 RB's go off the board in these rounds. So, if you have the #2 pick, you are talking about getting Peterson and Julius Jones (29th ranked RB right now) as your 1st and 2nd round pick...doesn't seem worth it to me if I can get Peterson/McNabb/Colston or Peterson/Fitzgerald/Roethlisberger, and then grab a guy like Leon Washington for return yards/3rd down duty. But, I can also see how someone could disagree with that.
Two rules in this league has me thinking that a 2nd RB is not needed until later in the draft:
1. Return yards scoring - this opens up a lot more RB's and WR's to be used, especially kick returners. At a flat 0.1 pt/10 yards for retuns, you are looking at 2.5 points per kickoff return. Having a guy guy like Josh Cribbs, whose defense sucks, means he could be getting 3-8 kick returns per game, and at an average of 2.5 pts/return, that's between 7.5 and 20 points per game...not too shabby for someone you can take as your flex in the 7-10th round.
2. 6 points per passing TD - Brady nearly doubled LT's points last year when using 6 pts/passing TD.
Basically, I would load up on as many kick returners as possible in this league, be it for RB, WR, or DB. Most leagues quantify a difference between punt (1 pt/10 yds) and kick off return yardage (1 pt/25 yds), and if this league truly has it set as 1 pt/10 yds for all returns, a guy like Josh Cribbs can be as valuable as a standard WR #1.
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| 20 | Ref
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ID: 539581218
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 14:53
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Legge, playing in a 24 team league for a number of years with quality managers, I can tell you that RBs are like gold. You can find nice WRs even on WW, RBs are tough. If you are able to start two RBs, that's means there are basically 30+ nice RBs. You're only going to need one QB. Play it however you want, but I'm taking two RBs in a deep league. It's especially nice if you can pick somewhere around the middle to end of the first round. Two nice RBs should be yours for the taking.
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| 21 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 14:59
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lol as I expected...divergent approaches, with logical reaons for each. :)
Now, I havent been in an IDP league since I cant remember when. With Passes Defended scoring, along with the obvious and standard INTs, Fumbles/Tackles etc...how long in before you start looking to select IDPs? It will depend on where you are with your O draft I understand, but I'm thinking probably no more than 5 or maybe 6 O player drafts and then start pulling a few of the upper tier D players?
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| 22 | leggestand
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ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 15:00
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Does your league count return yards (with no difference between kick or punt returns) or count 6 pts per passing TD?
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| 23 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 15:00
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Sorry, post 22 is intended for Ref.
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| 24 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 15:02
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Legge...No
But my point is supply and demand. You're going to be able to find lesser QBs/returners that score moer than lesser RBs. But again, just the way I'd do it if it worked out.
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| 25 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 15:49
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For the later rounds, you might want to read the local beat papers for that "sleeper" guy that is under everybody's radar.
My sleepers last season:
1) Roddy White - Drafted him in the 3rd round.
2) Kenneth Darby - Couldnt depend on caddy to stay healthy. Unfortunately he got cut and I didnt want to waste a waiver priority on Earnest Graham (boy was I stupid!!!)
3) Freddie Keiaho - Took over for Cato June who led the league in tackles the season before. Ref or Cards was thinking like me and beat me too him!
4) Cortland Finnegan - Returned kicks and got nearly 100+ tackles from the CB position
5) Ruvell Martin (lots of positive press, but buried on the depth chart) Looks to be more of the same this season with Jordy Nelson coming in.
You can find out who is really impressing the coaches and could get a shot later in the season as trade bait.
I.E. Kolby Smith was the guy last season for the Chiefs who impressed in training camp and got some positive press from Whitlock and co.
Also, look at players high on depth charts that seem to get knicked up alot. Look at their backup and the backup after that and pick him later on to stash on the bench. It might pay dividends in the long run.
Last, look at draft bargains by checking ADP's from whatever sources you can find. ESPN, Sportsline, etc. You'll get an idea if its good to reach on a player or not.
Best of luck to you!
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| 26 | StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 16:10
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Take a RB that catches the ball out of the backfield. Don't underestimate the 0.5 pts per reception either. That will make recievers like Welker that get lots of receptions more valuable. 6 pts for a TD indeed makes QBs more valuable.
I would prefer a strategy where you look at tiers rather than individual positions. You really have to plan your strategy after you know where you are drafting. Having a top QB, RB, and WR would be important to me. Since you can start up to 3 RB's and RBs are scarcer than WR's then they might have a higher premium, especially ones that aren't in a RBBC situation. You can always start a WR in that last W/R spot though too.
The league probably won't be won with your 1st few picks either unless they get hurt or absolutely tank. Knowing the deep sleepers could really set you apart later in the draft.
You start 7 defensive players but there doesn't seem to be flex players or at least no LB designations so there should be plenty of D players to go around. TO me T are still the bread and butter in defensinve stats as they are more predicatable than FF and ints, etc.
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| 27 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 16:13
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With pts/recep, I think that this makes Westbrook, the top choice at RB IMHO.
This is a much more in-depth scoring system than I'm used to, and with 20 of us pulling out of the player pool, while the draft wont win it for you, in this case I think it can for damn sure LOSE it for you.
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