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0 Subject: BCS DECLARES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II... US

Posted by: weykool
- Leader [41750315] Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 09:38

Found this on the GLB boards:

After determining the Big-12 championship game participants the BCS
computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS
declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.

"Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with
the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into
conference play with defeats of Poland, France, Norway, Sweden,
Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands. Their only losses came against
the US and Russia; however considering their entire body of
work--including an incredibly tough Strength of Schedule--our
computers deemed them worthy of the #1 ranking."

Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS
commissioner stated "The US only had two major victories--Japan and
Germany. The computer models, unlike humans, aren't influenced by
head-to-head contests--they consider each contest to be only a single,
equally-weighted event."

German Chancellor Adolph Hiter said "Yes, we lost to the US; but we
defeated #2 ranked France in only 6 weeks." Herr Hitler has been
criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn 'style points' to
enhance Germany's rankings. Hitler protested "Our contest with Poland
was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were
incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional
forces."

The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented "
France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1
ranking they only fell to #2."

Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the
Philippines.

United States head coach Harry S Truman was criticized by many as
having poor taste for scheduling a "politicking" interview during
halftime of the German bombing raids over Great Britain.

In that interview, Truman stated, "Any way you look at it, there is
going to be a really good military force that gets left out. But when
you come right down to it, our head-to-head victory over the Germans
has to be the deciding factor."

A US fan also made the point that "Germany is getting all the style
points right now because of their sexy offense, which continues to
obliterate weaker opponents and show off their might after the battle
is already won. But what about defense?"
1Pancho Villa
      ID: 51546319
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 10:41
That's one of the funniest things I've ever read.
2boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 10:55
good stuff...
3holt
      ID: 4410182818
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 13:03
It would be funnier and make more sense if the U.S. wasn't "undefeated" in WWII.

I'm guessing this was written by a Texas fan (a lot of Texas fans can't accept the consequences of their teams' loss to Texas Tech). That's ok though, whatever they need to help wipe away the tears. It's cool.
4KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 45657107
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 15:35
Pretty much sums up how ludicrous the BCS is.

a lot of Texas fans can't accept the consequences of their teams' loss to Texas Tech

Actually, I'd guess those Texas fans aren't having a hard time accepting the consequences of their 3-point loss on the road to then-#6 -- now #8 -- Texas Tech as much as they're having a hard time accepting the apparent LACK of consequences for Oklahoma's 10-point loss to their team at home and Florida's loss to an unranked -- though they finally made it to #20 -- Mississippi team at home.

I can't say I blame them.
5Seward Norse
      ID: 297412913
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 16:00
I don't have a horse in this race, but I think Texas got screwed...
6Tree
      ID: 55113588
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 16:07
Holt - Texas beat OU by a wider margin than Tech beat Texas.

Texas lost AT Tech. OU lost on neutral ground.

it's disgusting that the voters don't see OU's loss as a bigger one than Texas.

Texas beat the first, seventh, and 11th ranked teams in the country. OU beat the second and the 11th.

Texas beat its two biggest rivals. OU didn't.

Texas lost on a last second TD. OU wasn't even close in their loss.

you sound like an Aggie or a Sooner to me.



7Balrog
      Dude
      ID: 02856618
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 17:04
Is it really fair to call Texas playing in Dallas a neutral field? That's like Nebraska playing Colorado in North Platte, NE, and saying it's neutral because it's half-way between cities.
8J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 17:18
Dallas IS halfway between Austin and Norman. And if you ever look at the stadium splits, there's pretty much exactly half Texas and half OU.
9weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 17:30
The point of the first post was to show how stupid the BCS sytem is.
Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, and USC all have legitimate claims to be playing for the national championship.
It should be settled on the field and not by a bunch of computer nerds who are deciding who is better.
This isnt diving or figure skating, its football and the fans deserve better.
10Balrog
      Dude
      ID: 02856618
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 18:18
Yes the BCS is stupid, but it's not as stupid as the old way. Which by the way would have ended with one of the Big 12 teams vs. Florida in the Orange Bowl anyway, probably for the national championship. Now how would they have decided which Big 12 team?

In the Texas/Oklahoma/Texas Tech tiebreaker scenario, if they didn't use the BCS score, the next applicable tie breaker (they went through the first five tied) would have been to draw straws. So it's a choice between a semi-analytical method or luck. A three-team round robin playoff just to decide the Big 12 South Champ is probably impractical. If you can't decide a division champ, much less the conference champ without the BCS, how are you going to decide the national champ without something like it? Even if you have a national championship playoff, you're going to need something like the BCS to decide who gets in. Which leaves us where we are today.

11Razor
      ID: 181051618
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 19:41
Even if you have a national championship playoff, you're going to need something like the BCS to decide who gets in. Which leaves us where we are today.

Precisely. Though allowing more teams in decreases decreases the margin of error, it also has the effect of devaluing the regular season. What we have now is a 2-team playoff and what many are advocating for is an 8-team playoff. I will go as far as 4 teams, but 8 is way too many in my opinion. It's really, really not that hard to pare down the field to just 4 teams. And if a team feels like they got left out, well tough s*%&. They should not have lost or they should have played a harder OOC schedule.
12Frick
      ID: 3410551012
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 20:17
The computer projections are 1/3 of the equation, voters are 2/3. If the majority of voter's had felt Texas was a better team, they would be playing for the national title. The jump that Oklahoma made to pass Texas made no sense.

13Tree
      ID: 55113588
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 20:50
Is it really fair to call Texas playing in Dallas a neutral field? That's like Nebraska playing Colorado in North Platte, NE, and saying it's neutral because it's half-way between cities.

actually, Dallas is closer to Norman, than it is to Austin.
14holt
      ID: 4410182818
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 21:10
"Texas lost on a last second TD. OU wasn't even close in their loss."

I love your propaganda technique Tree. Throw around a bunch of random BS and see what sticks.
You clearly didn't watch the OU/Texas game. OU was up 21-10 at one point. They had a lead with something like 7 minutes left in the game. They would have won if the refs hadn't intervened and helped Texas with 3 of their scores. Worst officiating I've seen all year, and that's saying something.

The better team doesn't always win. The NFL is proof enough of that. How many times has a team in the NFL gone undefeated? Someone who hasn't watched Big 12 games all season probably can't understand anything much deeper than the final scores (fwiw, Texas lost to Tech by 6, not 3).
15holt
      ID: 4410182818
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 21:15
"actually, Dallas is closer to Norman, than it is to Austin. "

Dallas is Sooner country. Yeah right.
: /

Hopefully this tradition will end after the 2010 season and OU can start playing Texas at home every other year. Going to Dallas to play them every year is just being way too nice.
16Tree
      ID: 3114997
      Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 08:53
holt - everything i said is a fact. i figured someone would harp in on the point you did, and sure enough.

it took a last second TD to beat Texas. Texas ran over, and past, OU, and didn't look back.

again, Dallas is closer to Norman than it is to Austin. have you ever BEEN to Texas-OU weekend? walking up Commerce one year, the night before the game, i saw about a dozen guys in OU jerseys jump a guy wearing a Longhorn ball cap, and beat the crap out of him.

as for the rest my points, it's clear you didn't even have a failed argument.

and, obviously, by your animosity, you're a sooner fan.
17holt
      ID: 4410182818
      Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 13:18
"OU wasn't even close in their loss."

"OU beat the second and the 11th."

"holt - everything i said is a fact."

Since you didn't watch The Texas OU game closely (or at all), go look up the play by play and then tell me OU wasn't even close.

You mentioned that OU beat #2 (tech) and #11 (okla st). You conveniently left out that they also beat current #11 TCU 35-10 and current #12 Cincinnati 52-26 during their non-conference schedule. Texas played 4 patsies (Florida Atlantic, Rice, UTEP, Arkansas).

18Tree
      ID: 381130912
      Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 13:33
You conveniently left out that they also beat current #11 TCU 35-10 and current #12 Cincinnati 52-26 during their non-conference schedule.

i was looking at OU's results on yahoo. when they played, TCU was #24, and Cincy wasn't even ranked.
19Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 13:47
Why don't we talk about the real tragedy here, the fact that the Big 12 Championship game was not a rematch of OK-TX? Enough with this insistence that conferences be split up geographically. The Big 12 should just be a conference with the top two finishers meeting for a championship. Rather than watch OK roll Missou, we could get the rematch we all wanted. I have no doubt that Oklahoma would have prevailed. See, I watched the first game between the two and many of their following games and it is clear to me and anyone with any football sense that OK is the better team.
20boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 13:50
I agree SZ, they should just let the two best teams from the conferences play for their championships.
21holt
      ID: 4410182818
      Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 17:16
good point SZ. I guess the problem is that you have to split the conference in two in order for teams to play each other every year. without the split conference you can't have the annual tex/okla game for example. now that i think about it though, you could have North and South divisions for purposes of scheduling and just ignore the divisions when choosing the two teams for the conf. championship (no chance this ever happens, unfortunately).
22Peter N.
      ID: 4910362617
      Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 19:05
I'd first off like to say that if it came down to UT and OU, I would much rather UT represent the Big 12 over OU. OU and Texas A&M are my two least favorite programs in the nation.

With that said, this head to head arguement made by some UT fans is asinine. It was a 3 WAY TIE people. LOL how are you going to use a head to head in a 3 way tie. I think its so funny how the irrational UT fans want to forget about the loss in Lubbock and just concentrate on the win at a neutral site in October. However, not all UT fans are that stupid which is nice to know. I work with several rational UT fans that know if they would've taken care of business in Lubbock, this would not be an issue. Of course, you don't hear from those types of fans.

I, unfortunately, think the polls and computers got it right. OU's body of work this year was better than both UT's and TTU's. I hate to say that, but throw out the bias and its pretty apparent that OU is more deserving under the current system we have. The system sucks. I would've loved to see some type of playoff system, but I don't see it ever happening.

I can only now hope OU represents the Big 12 well and doesn't get blasted out of the water.
23Da Bomb
      Donor
      ID: 487112814
      Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 01:03
For what it's worth, Oklahoma has been the most dominant Big 12 team as of late, scoring at least 58 points their last 6 games. Gives them that much better of a chance to win the championship going in hot.
24KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 45657107
      Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 09:06
Facing teams that give up a lot of points per game definitely goes a long way towards helping you rack up points.

Mizzou: 27.5
OKState: 26.9
TxTech: 26.3
TxA&M: 37.4
Nebraska: 29.2
KState: 35.8

All of those teams gave up more points per game than:

Middle Tennessee State: 24.9
Louisiana Tech: 24.8
Western Michigan: 23.8
Army: 23.7

...and a BUNCH of other teams.

And that's a lot more points per game given up than Florida at 12.8.

In fact, the last time Oklahoma faced a decent defense (Texas; 18.6), they "only" scored 35 and lost by 10.

If Defense wins ball games, Oklahoma's going to be in for a long night.
25Da Bomb
      Donor
      ID: 487112814
      Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 13:32
Yet Oklahoma still put up more than double the points than most of those team's averages. Scoring 60 points 5 games in a row and having your season low in points at 35 is pretty impressive to me.
26KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 186321620
      Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 19:06
No doubt it's impressive, but it should be put in context. I'm sure if they faced top-tier defenses, like Florida, their totals wouldn't be as high.
27weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 19:10
Doesnt a team have more chances to score if they let the other team score as well?
OU sounds like the Phoenix Suns...give the other team a layup so they can run down the floor and jack up a three.
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