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Subject: RIFC 2009: Getting started
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Thu, Jul 16, 2009, 09:48
I am pleased to announce the 14 managers for the 2009 RIFC: Fugazi (pending acceptance) Yokel (pending acceptance) Smith32 Bags IAC ShortBus Youngroman s R SwinganaMiss Culdeus (contingent) bmd wiggs BoNkA Guru
This list includes me (based on last year, the most unqualified of the 14…), the top-6 seeds from last year's RIFC, 3 teams from each AAA league, and the (playoff) winner of the AA league. For each AAA league, I selected the playoff winner plus the top two seeds for the playoffs. In the instance that the playoff winner was one of the top two seeds, then the third seed was selected. In one AAA league, the 3rd place finisher declined (preferring to remain in AAA), and was replaced by the fourth place team from that league.
I am still awaiting acceptances from two returning RIFC managers, and culdeus has said that his participation is contingent on the selection of hosting site or drafting site or both. If he opts out or if either of the two returning RIFC teams decline, they will be replaced.
Although it is still early, there are several things that we can start on: 1. Sign-ups for qualifying leagues. I will start a separate thread for this. 2. Discussion of possible rules changes. (We can use this thread for that.) 3. Discussion of any other issues that should be resolved before the start of the draft – including selection of a hosting site.
In recent years, we have started the draft around August 15. However, this year, the opening game of the NFL schedule is not until September 10, which is essentially a week later than prior years. In addition, my son is getting married on the weekend of August 22 – which will make is difficult for me to ride herd on the draft that weekend. In previous years, we have completed the draft in about 2 weeks, and a start date of 8/24 would have us finish around September 7th. Since that is Labor Day weekend, however, it would probably be desirable to get finished a bit earlier, so maybe we’ll start around August 19-20, and just deal flexibly with the wedding weekend. Please let me know of any date conflicts you might have in late August and early September. While I know that some of you like to get going sooner than later, others prefer to wait for as many preseason injuries to happen before getting stuck.
I have not yet fully reviewed the issues that arose during last season that might prompt rules changes (and/or clarifications). If anyone would like to skim through the various discussion threads from last year and post potential issues, please do so. However, I know of at least several issues to consider. One recent raised issue relates to leveling the (draft) parity between RBs and receivers, and the other relates to the seeding of playoff opponents:
Scoring, receivers, and parity 1. Amend the scoring to include a provision for pass receptions. 2. Consider making one RB slot a flex slot for a RB or receiver.
Playoff opponent seeding 3. Consider changing the playoff seeding to be based solely on points (playoff teams would be selected as they were before, but the seeding would then be based on points). 4. Alternatively, consider a format where the top seed gets to pick his 1st round playoff opponent from among the 5-8 seeds, followed by the 2nd seed selecting from among the remaining teams, etc.)
Are there other ideas to consider?
Regarding hosting site: I started a separate thread on this topic a few days ago. It would probably be helpful to consolidate discussion on hosting sites in that thread. At this point, the leading contenders seem to be: 1. Return to Fanball 2. Move to MFL.com (MyFantasyLeague.com) 3. Move to Fantrax
Fanball is the most expensive option of the three, but not by enough to force the decision. MFL has some very ardent supporters, lead by culdeus. Fantrax has the advantage of being free. I have not yet been able to assemble a complete list of distinctions, although all three do offer doubleheader schedules. Fanball appears to be the only one that allows rosters to be distinct for each doubleheader game.
I have generally been satisfied with Fanball, but not thrilled. Their setup takes some “getting used to”. In my case, I’ve used it long enough that I have a comfort level there, although I am bothered that they occasionally choose to change position eligibilities after we have drafted, and I have not found their customer support to be particularly accommodating. In early investigations of the other two sites, both have responded quickly to questions, and both seem eager to accommodate. But of course, they are trying to lure new business.
I’m going to be on vacation for most of the rest of July, often with only dial-up access, so it is going to be difficult to for me to do a full assessment before the July 31 discount deadline for Fanball. If so, I'll just wait until a more informed decision can be made. But to the extent that other managers can take a look at the alternatives and provide feedback in the next two weeks, I’d really appreciate it.
I’ll dig up and post last year’s rules later today.
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23 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Aug 10, 2009, 13:54
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Draft2:
I have received 2 set of numbers.
Smith32 sent the following: 2 12 9 4 14 3 1 10 7 8 13 5 11 6
BoNkA then sent the following: 4 10 8 1 3 14 7 13 5 11 2 6 9 12
Applying the first set to resequence an alphabetical list, and then applying the second to assign draft order, we have the following order:
1 culdeus 2 wiggs 3 SwinganaMiss 4 IAC 5 BoNkA 6 beastiemiked 7 s R 8 Guru 9 Smith32 10 Bags 11 letterj 12 Fugazi 13 Slackjawed Yokel 14 Youngroman
We can begin immediately. Culdeus get the first decision. There is no clock for this round as long as we don't get too bogged down.
Reminder: Draft order for the "real draft" will snake, so whoever takes the first pick also gets the last pick in round 2, etc.
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24 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Aug 10, 2009, 14:27
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25 | youngroman Donor
ID: 02934823 Mon, Aug 10, 2009, 14:40
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nice, another 2 days where I don't need to make a decision. haven't looked at any player projections yet, so I would not have known where to pick. taking the last available spot is fine in that case, as long as I end up in a spot I like.
my bet is that I won't pick in the top6 and not higher than 13th.
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26 | culdeus
ID: 566221522 Mon, Aug 10, 2009, 18:55
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contemplating this....
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27 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Aug 11, 2009, 20:58
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culdeus - in fairness to others, please don't abuse the "no clock" privilege. After 24 hours, you've had ample time to contemplate.
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28 | culdeus
ID: 587101120 Tue, Aug 11, 2009, 21:11
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Sorry, had some issues getting a mock together. Still a fortnight to go before the start, no?
I'll go with 6.
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29 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Aug 11, 2009, 21:39
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Not a fortnight. Only a little over a week. We start next week.
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30 | culdeus
ID: 566221522 Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 08:23
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I'll be entering the picks in MFL periodically, but feel free to enter your own picks :-)
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31 | wiggs Leader
ID: 04991311 Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 08:53
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I will take 1st
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32 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 09:06
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culdeus 6 wiggs 1 SwinganaMiss <= now up IAC BoNkA beastiemiked s R Guru Smith32 Bags letterj Fugazi Slackjawed Yokel Youngroman
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33 | culdeus
ID: 566221522 Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 09:49
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Was between 1 and 6. With 6 there's at least the ability to monitor what people don't have between 1 and 5 that can make up the gap on down the road between RB1 and RB6.
That and 6-9 seemed to be the sweetspot last year. I think I won from 7? maybe last year. Nothing wrong with going to the well again.
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34 | wiggs Leader
ID: 04991311 Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 09:59
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I took 1 mainly because I will be away alot during the draft and picking on an end will make things easier for me and anyone who helps me with picks.
I definitely like 1 better then 14
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35 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 40239148 Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 20:50
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1 and 6 were my first two choices too....I can already tell it's going to be tough this year.
I will say though, that in AAA1 last year sR, yr, and I drafted 11,12,13, so that was our sweet spot.
FYI, I plan to pick yet tonight.
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36 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 40239148 Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 23:47
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I'll take #5
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37 | holt
ID: 407521121 Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 00:11
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lol, fortnight
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38 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3626821 Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 05:48
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I'll take #3
culdeus 6 wiggs 1 SwinganaMiss 5 IAC 3 BoNkA <= now up beastiemiked s R Guru Smith32 Bags letterj Fugazi Slackjawed Yokel Youngroman
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39 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 10:53
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Thanks to culdeus for his assistance in setting up the mfl.
I believe the following set of scoring rules produces correct results. I have compared the resulting values for 2008 stats to those generated at fanball.com, and they appear to be consistent (and/or correct in the case of some inconsistencies). However, I encourage everyone to review these and challenge anything that looks off. Please see posts [2] & [3] for links to the rules from last year.
I must say I'm much happier with the scoring rules interface at mfl.com vs. Fanball. There seems to be more flexibility, and the setup is more intuitive. In the process of reconciling vs. Fanball, I've also noted that Fanball no longer shows week-by-week fantasy point totals for each player. They do show weekly stats and YTD points, but seem to have lost the capacity to show weekly points, which not only makes reconciliation difficult, but could be a significant constraint when free agent shopping during the season.
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40 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 11:41
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We'll want to keep the mfl.com database as current as possible during the draft (i.e., updated with each pick). Does anyone know if managers will be able to pick up their own players as they draft, or will someone with Commissioner privileges have to do that?
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41 | judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 12:15
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ASK Cards from G24 -- I think you can open waivers and let people add their players that way.
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42 | Bonka Sustainer
ID: 019742310 Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 13:33
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Sorry about the holdup, just got on the computer for today. I'll take the 7th pick.
culdeus 6 wiggs 1 SwinganaMiss 5 IAC 3 BoNkA 7 beastiemiked <= now up s R Guru Smith32 Bags letterj Fugazi Slackjawed Yokel Youngroman
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43 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 13:37
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Probably a good idea to add a sequential list as well.
1 wiggs 2 3 IAC 4 5 SwinganaMiss 6 culdeus 7 BoNkA 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
culdeus 6 wiggs 1 SwinganaMiss 5 IAC 3 BoNkA 7 beastiemiked <= now up s R Guru Smith32 Bags letterj Fugazi Slackjawed Yokel Youngroman
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44 | beastiemiked
ID: 387401320 Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 21:40
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1 wiggs 2 3 IAC 4 5 SwinganaMiss 6 culdeus 7 BoNkA 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 beastiemiked
culdeus 6 wiggs 1 SwinganaMiss 5 IAC 3 BoNkA 7 beastiemiked 14 s R Guru Smith32 Bags letterj Fugazi Slackjawed Yokel Youngroman
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45 | s R
ID: 29624211 Fri, Aug 14, 2009, 00:18
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1 wiggs 2 3 IAC 4 s R 5 SwinganaMiss 6 culdeus 7 BoNkA 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 beastiemiked
culdeus 6 wiggs 1 SwinganaMiss 5 IAC 3 BoNkA 7 beastiemiked 14 s R 4 Guru <-now up Smith32 Bags letterj Fugazi Slackjawed Yokel Youngroman
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46 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Aug 14, 2009, 10:13
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1 wiggs 2 3 IAC 4 s R 5 SwinganaMiss 6 culdeus 7 BoNkA 8 9 10 11 12 13 Guru 14 beastiemiked
culdeus 6 wiggs 1 SwinganaMiss 5 IAC 3 BoNkA 7 beastiemiked 14 s R 4 Guru 13 Smith32 <-now up Bags letterj Fugazi Slackjawed Yokel Youngroman
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47 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sat, Aug 15, 2009, 09:41
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1 wiggs 2 Smith32 3 IAC 4 s R 5 SwinganaMiss 6 culdeus 7 BoNkA 8 9 10 11 12 13 Guru 14 beastiemiked
culdeus 6 wiggs 1 SwinganaMiss 5 IAC 3 BoNkA 7 beastiemiked 14 s R 4 Guru 13 Smith32 2 Bags <-now up letterj Fugazi Slackjawed Yokel Youngroman
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48 | Bags
ID: 36716159 Sat, Aug 15, 2009, 10:16
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1 wiggs 2 Smith32 3 IAC 4 s R 5 SwinganaMiss 6 culdeus 7 BoNkA 8 9 10 11 12 Bags 13 Guru 14 beastiemiked
culdeus 6 wiggs 1 SwinganaMiss 5 IAC 3 BoNkA 7 beastiemiked 14 s R 4 Guru 13 Smith32 2 Bags 12 letterj <-now up Fugazi Slackjawed Yokel Youngroman
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49 | Letter_J
ID: 5572628 Sat, Aug 15, 2009, 10:47
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1 wiggs 2 Smith32 3 IAC 4 s R 5 SwinganaMiss 6 culdeus 7 BoNkA 8 9 letterj 10 11 12 Bags 13 Guru 14 beastiemiked
culdeus 6 wiggs 1 SwinganaMiss 5 IAC 3 BoNkA 7 beastiemiked 14 s R 4 Guru 13 Smith32 2 Bags 12 letterj 9 Fugazi <-now up Slackjawed Yokel Youngroman
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50 | fugazi
ID: 517121612 Sun, Aug 16, 2009, 13:19
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1 wiggs 2 Smith32 3 IAC 4 s R 5 SwinganaMiss 6 culdeus 7 BoNkA 8 fugazi 9 letterj 10 11 12 Bags 13 Guru 14 beastiemiked
culdeus 6 wiggs 1 SwinganaMiss 5 IAC 3 BoNkA 7 beastiemiked 14 s R 4 Guru 13 Smith32 2 Bags 12 letterj 9 Fugazi 8 Slackjawed Yokel<-now up Youngroman
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51 | Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 87191613 Sun, Aug 16, 2009, 14:19
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1 wiggs 2 Smith32 3 IAC 4 s R 5 SwinganaMiss 6 culdeus 7 BoNkA 8 fugazi 9 letterj 10 youngroman 11 Slackjawed Yokel 12 Bags 13 Guru 14 beastiemiked
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52 | youngroman Donor
ID: 02934823 Sun, Aug 16, 2009, 14:37
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and the last decision: I'll pick at #10 ;)
without looking at the talent available at this spot, I'll say that I am happy with it. I like to pick in the 2nd half, but not too close to the end. and #10 is just that.
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53 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Aug 16, 2009, 17:30
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I'm still waiting for Fugazi to register for the draft at kafenatid.net
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54 | fugazi
ID: 337171618 Sun, Aug 16, 2009, 19:21
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Done, sorry about that.
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55 | culdeus
ID: 566221522 Sun, Aug 16, 2009, 22:55
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"We'll want to keep the mfl.com database as current as possible during the draft (i.e., updated with each pick). Does anyone know if managers will be able to pick up their own players as they draft, or will someone with Commissioner privileges have to do that? "
What I was planning on doing was putting the picks in manually when I get a chance. I will close waivers to all owners so they only input picks through the draft system. Takes no time at all to input picks for people.
I may be changing jobs between now and september so I will have quite possibly nothing to do for a month anyways.
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56 | wiggs Leader
ID: 04991311 Mon, Aug 17, 2009, 12:43
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Guru- Do you want us to fire when ready, or should we wait?
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57 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Aug 17, 2009, 13:32
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The draft will officially start on Thursday, August 20. I'll turn on the draft system sometime on Wednesday to allow people to set up queues. At that point, if people want to fire away, be my guest. But I have no expectation of any picks prior to Thursday.
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58 | wiggs Leader
ID: 04991311 Mon, Aug 17, 2009, 13:48
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Ok, sounds good. Like I said before my access will be limited from august 23-30- and completely gone from the 30-sept 3. I will leave a queue, or try to have someone pick for me.
Anyone with text messages that would be willing to keep me updated during the 1st week I am away please email me and I will send you my cell number. Thanks alot Wiggs
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59 | beastiemiked
ID: 35621411 Mon, Aug 17, 2009, 22:56
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Is there a place to see player rankings for last year using rifc stats? Last year I remember fanball had them. Sorry if it's been posted already.
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60 | Bags
ID: 36716159 Mon, Aug 17, 2009, 23:00
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wiggs
I sent you an email about keeping you updated via text. Let me know if I can help.
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61 | Bonka Sustainer
ID: 019742310 Mon, Aug 17, 2009, 23:11
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You can look at the player rankings on the MFL site. On the top, go to reports -> player and choose an option. You can sort with various options from there.
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62 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Aug 18, 2009, 10:18
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The default schedule currently in place at MFL looks fine, so we will use it.
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63 | culdeus
ID: 587101120 Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 09:22
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What sort of arm twisting would it take to get this thing pushed off till after Sunday? So nervous about pre-season falling right in middle of first half of draft.
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64 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 09:45
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I set the start date of August 20 several weeks ago. That was the time to raise objections/concerns.
We have some people with limited availability over Labor Day weekend, and I want to get this done before then, if possible. A typical draft will take 2 weeks, and the decision to start now was prompted by the desire to finish before then.
I understand the concern about preseason injuries and uncertainties. That's a concern every year. The nature of the beast.
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65 | wiggs Leader
ID: 04991311 Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 11:55
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How do I draft? I went to the MFL page and it says waiting for pick, I clicked it and it is just setting up a queue? Am I doing something wrong, or is it just not ready to accept picks yet?
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66 | culdeus
ID: 06532114 Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 12:08
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No picks yet.
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67 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3626821 Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 12:08
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Could be wrong, but thought we were drafting through Kafenatid... so it's probably waiting on the commish's ok to start the draft.
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68 | wiggs Leader
ID: 04991311 Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 12:10
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oh ok- I thought guru said he would open it up today to get started. Thanks
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69 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3626821 Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 12:17
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Yeah, he probably will at some point... but we should all get an email from Kafenatid once the draft has been opened.
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70 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3626821 Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 12:20
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Draft is now online!
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71 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3626821 Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 12:24
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FYI - I left a 2 player queue (and set up two managers as queue takers)... If I get the player I want at the 3 slot, no problem... if not, I'd like to discus moving down till slightly later in the first round.
Email me about a potential trade should my guy not get "auto-picked".
Thx, IAC
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72 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Aug 19, 2009, 12:26
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Let's close this thread and move all further discussion to the draft thread.
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