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0 Subject: Michael Vick

Posted by: loki
- SuperDude [4211201420] Mon, Jul 20, 2009, 13:52

Michael Vick completed his sentence today leaving 3 questions. Will the NFL allow him to play ( IMO they should), who will sign him,and most importantly where will he be drafted in RIFC and qualifying leagues Michael Vick
1wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Jul 20, 2009, 13:55
My opinion- He should not be let back in the league- therefore no one will sign him and he will not be drafted in any leagues.

Then again I think others should not be allowed to play in the league either
2sarge33rd
      ID: 17681812
      Mon, Jul 20, 2009, 14:38
IMHO; he should not be allowed back in the league.

That said, what's the O/U on how long before Jerry Jones signs him?
3KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 12353217
      Mon, Jul 20, 2009, 19:21
Society gave him a debt to pay and he paid it. To me, it's better than what some other players that are currently on rosters have done. I say let him play.

That said, I think any team that signs him should have a one-strike-and-you're-out clause.
4Great One
      ID: 316332018
      Mon, Jul 20, 2009, 19:37
Certainly better than someone like Donte Stallworth.
5Species
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Jul 20, 2009, 19:39
or Leonard Little
6wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 09:46
I think there is no way to allow him back in the league. As a teacher, if I were convicted of a felony I would lose my teaching license and not be allowed to ever teach again. This hold true for many professions, why should football be different?

I agree that Stallworth and Little shouldnt be allowed back either.
7KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 721308
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 09:56
Teachers are directly responsible for the upbringing of children. I don't think that's a job that a felon should be part of.

But football really is no different than being a movie star or singer. At the end of the day, they're just entertainers.

I just don't see what detriment a man who has served a true sentence and paid his debt to society is going to bring to an entertainment job. Sports stars, as a whole, haven't been role models for quite some time now, if they ever truly were.
8Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 10:04
He *is* an entertainer, which means that, as entertainment consumers, criticism about his for things that have nothing to do with his on-field work are entirely appropriate.

I don't like the guy, and I don't want to see him employed in the NFL.
9wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 10:08
Ok, Well I can see a teacher being held to a bit higher standard, but before getting my teaching position I used to work for the town- I was a grounds supervisor- handled mowing all the town parks as well as taking care of ball fields. We had a young man who was arrested and was fired immediately.

I understand what you are saying about him being an entertainer, but I feel since he is part of a team it is alittle different then a movie star. A movie star is pretty much on their own, rather then part of a team with a boss. Just my opinion.
10Great One
      ID: 17459269
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 10:14
Not an independent contractor? its like Clerks.

I am fine with Vick playing again, as long as he uses the platform to raise awareness about the dog fighting and keeps his nose clean. He served his debt and has a right to earn a living in his profession.

11sarge33rd
      ID: 17681812
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 10:34
...has a right to earn a living in his profession.

Really? A right to play professional football????????
12DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 10:51
"He *is* an entertainer, which means that, as entertainment consumers, criticism about his for things that have nothing to do with his on-field work are entirely appropriate.

I don't like the guy, and I don't want to see him employed in the NFL."

Sure--and isn't that a decision for the employer to make?

Ultimately, if enough people feel the same way you do, you'll get your wish, because it IS an entertainment business first and foremost, and if enough people stop going because of him, then they won't have him around.

I could personally care less one way or the other. I don't much care for him but it's not like barring him from playing football is going to be some awesome world-changing event.
13KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 721308
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 10:59
@PD: I never said the criticism wasn't appropriate. I just said that from my point of view, he was given a punishment for his crime and he completed the punishment. Anything beyond that is like telling a child, "Just do your chores and you can go play. Oh, you did your chores? Okay, well now you also need to do your homework. Oh, you did your homework? Okay, well now you also need to take a bath."

I actually do think the criticism is completely fair and should be taken into account. Thus, the one-strike-and-you're-out clause I was talking about.

But, at what point does he finally get a chance to return to a normal life? He's already got a stigma, but I think a lifetime punishment is a bit harsh. A "normal" life for Vick is going to involve football because I would be surprised if he wasn't still a pro-level player.

@wiggs: If the guy you referred to was fired before being found guilty, I think that's ridiculous (so much for "innocent until proven guilty"). If he was fired after being found guilty, then I can understand that a bit more. But, I would also hope the guy could get a second chance after completing his debt to society. I'm not really a fan of third chances, though.

As for the team aspect, does that mean you would feel differently if he was a singles tennis star? I just really don't see what having a "boss" matters if someone pays their debt to society.

@sarge33rd: I would agree that he doesn't have a right to play professional football again and he'll have to deal with whatever Goodell and the owners decide. Unfortunately, for him, that's just the way it is for his chosen profession.
14Razor
      ID: 371502414
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 11:05
This is a decision for the league to make. It is their league afterall. I am not going to suggest what they would do, but my personal opinion is that the NFL would be better off without him. There are other leagues around the world that he could go to, but even if there were not, playing football is not a right any more than working for Microsoft is a right. I am sure there are lots of talented felons out there who can't get jobs in the profession they would like due to past indiscretions. Tough shit.
15Mith
      ID: 2894309
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 11:17
Indifferent. It's a decision for the league and any franchise that cares to consider signing him. That said I know I wouldn't want to have to root for him.

It would be terrific to see him come back and show that he has changed by making significant personal investments in time and money toward preventing animal cruelty. But we know he comes from a place where dog fighting is a culturally accepted activity, so I don't think it very likely that he has changed his attitude about it in earnest.
16Razor
      ID: 371502414
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 11:20
Like we need another sports star to BS their way through an interview. Vick was never a good role model, even before the dog fighting.
17Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 11:45
#13: Was Vick promised a return to the NFL when he completed his felony sentence? Nobody promised Vick he could play--your analogy doesn't even make sense. Vick's contract was canceled because he violated the morals clause of his contract. No one is promised a return to their chosen profession as a condition of completing criminal sentencing.

at what point does he finally get a chance to return to a normal life?

A great question. He has his chance now that he is free from jail. But if by "normal life" you mean "back to his old job as if nothing happened" then the answer is "never" IMO.

Vick's a young man with a good amount of money, charisma, and contacts. He's got a lot more opportunity than any of us to create a "normal" life for himself.
18Mith
      ID: 2894309
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 11:53
Frankly I don't think it has anything to do with regard to "fairness" to Vick. As PD notes, no one told him he could 'go play' once his 'chores' are finished.

Having paid his debt to society means that he is mostly free from criminal legal entanglements, that's all. The NFL doesn't owe him anything. They have every reason to make their decision regarding Vick rest strictly on PR, financial and ethics issues.
19wiggs
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      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 13:40
KKB- He was convicted- it was an obvious charge, but he was fired and has been looking for a job for along time- but the problem is on every application there is a box to check if you have been convicted of a crime. I dont want to get into what happened- but lets just say it was nothing like what vick did.
20holt
      ID: 206331521
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 14:20
If he can play football and a team wants him, then let him play. This isn't a Miss America contest he's trying to enter. He did his time and should get a chance to do things the right way now. If he was an offensive lineman and not a big name QB then I doubt anyone would be questioning his "right" to play football.

I love dogs as much or more than anyone on these boards (I have 3 of em and I pretty much treat them like humans), and I still think Vick deserves a good ass-whoopin, but to take the position that the NFL is too good for Vick to be a part of just seems really prissy and self-righteous to me. It's just football, not the Miss America contest or an election to public office. Letting him play isn't a declaration that it's ok to mistreat animals.
21sarge33rd
      ID: 17681812
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 14:47
No, but it ignoring the fact that professional athletes (all claims to the contrary aside) are in fact role models.

I for one, much prefer the message sent to todays youth by barring his return, to the one of allowing it.

Bar his return, and you tell people to keep their noses semi-clean at any rate.

Allow his return, and you perpetuate the "passing grade" for the star athlete.
22DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 15:11
"No, but it ignoring the fact that professional athletes (all claims to the contrary aside) are in fact role models.

I for one, much prefer the message sent to todays youth by barring his return, to the one of allowing it.

Bar his return, and you tell people to keep their noses semi-clean at any rate.

Allow his return, and you perpetuate the "passing grade" for the star athlete."

I could easily turn that around and say that the role model we are making of Vick is one where you should turn anyone who's ever been convicted of a crime into a leper.

It'd be nice to have the role model for "boy, he screwed up big-time, spent two years of the prime of his life in jail, went bankrupt from having tens of millions of dollars -- but at least he's learned from it and turned his life around." Of course, that last bit has yet to be written, and it may not turn out that way.
23KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 721308
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 16:03
@PD: You're right, he wasn't promised a job when he finished his sentence. That said, I don't think his crime should preclude him from a job in a profession that is full of guys that have a history of legal problems. Not allowing him to play in the NFL would be sending the message that obstruction of justice (R. Lewis), conspiring to possess and distribute drugs (J. Lewis), and vehicular manslaughter (Stallworth), just to name a VERY few, are all okay, but dog fighting is not. Seems a bit of a double-standard to me.

@wiggs: Understood. And I certainly don't think it'll be easy for Vick to get a job. Compare pre-legal issues Vick as a free agent to Vick as he is now and he's not going to get even remotely close to the same amount of interest, much like the guy you're talking about. And, if he does get an NFL job, Vick will be held to a much higher standard of conduct than most, if not all, the other players on the team.

@sarge33rd: If you want to send the message of "tell people to keep their noses semi-clean," then the NFL has to bar a LOT more players than Vick. So do most other major sports.

People always want to make role models out of athletes and history has shown us over and over again that most of them shouldn't be.
24sarge33rd
      ID: 17681812
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 16:20
re 22...His name is Cris Carter, former WR for Minn Vikings. He turned himself around though, BEFORE going to prison.

I'm not saying make him a leper. I'm saying he should not be allowed back into a league, already suffering image issues; and be paid multiple millions of dollars for playing a game. He could, and probably should, go to work with a youth crisis/intervention program. THAT, is where he can send the message that needs sending.
25Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 16:21
Razor #16

Very strongly agree. However if real deeds are used to back up a Michael Vick apology tour, even one that is truly insincere at heart, it could still be a terrific benefit for the greater good.

Maybe that's just me trying to put an optimistic spin on it. The league rightfully has the authority to decide whether to allow his return and I have no problem respecting that decision either way. But I also think the only real questions about his return to an NFL roster are when and where.
26DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 16:36
"I'm saying he should not be allowed back into a league, already suffering image issues; and be paid multiple millions of dollars for playing a game."

Not this "for playing a game" argument again. I'd wager that he'll be making a tiny, tiny fraction of what he would have been making had he not done what he did. Further, if you're going to play that canard, what other non choir-boys are we kicking out of the league? Are we banishing Dante Stallworth to the trash bin? He killed a human being.

Here's your 2007 list of player arrests. (I haven't found the 2008 list handy, I'm sure it is out there somewhere.) Please tell me where exactly the line between forgiveness and banishment is drawn. And would your answer change if this was a random linebacker and not a highly visible quarterback? Is it because animals create some special emotion that's not present when someone gets wasted and runs someone over?

Jan. 28 Chris Henry Bengals Possession of a concealed firearm, improper exhibition of a firearm, aggravated assault with a firearm
Feb. 12 Terry "Tank" Johnson Bears Aggravated assault, resisting arrest (Charges were dropped.)
March 26 Dhani Jones Eagles Failure to obey a lawful command
April 14 Shaun Phillips Chargers Suspicion of obstructing or resisting an officer in the performance of his duty (No charges were filed.)
April 21 Steve Foley Chargers Resisting arrest, drunken driving
April 23 Ricky Manning Jr. Bears Assault
April 23 Maurice Jones-Drew Jaguars Assault (Charge was dismissed.)
April 23 Tyler Ebell Bears Assault (Charge was dropped.)
May 12 Reuben Droughns Browns Domestic assault (Case was dropped.)
May 26 Cory Rodgers Packers Unlawfully carrying a weapon and discharging a firearm
June 3 Chris Henry Bengals DUI
June 3 A.J. Nicholson Bengals Burglary, grand theft, vandalism
June 14 Chris Henry Bengals Providing alcohol to three underaged females
June 19 Santonio Holmes Steelers Domestic violence and assault (Judge dismissed charges.)
June 20 Jabar Gaffney Patriots Unlawful possession of a handgun
June 21 Frostee Rucker Bengals Vandalism, spousal battery
June 23 Cortland Finnegan Titans DUI
July 22 Matthias Askew Bengals Disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, failure to comply with a police officer's order, obstructing justice (Acquitted Aug. 24.)
July 22 John Gilmore Bears Trespassing, resisting arrest, possession of drug paraphernlia, possession of less than 2.5 grams of marijuana
Aug. 5 Eric Steinbach Bengals Boating under the influence
Aug. 6 Barrett Brooks Steelers Fleeing and eluding, reckless driving, driving at an unsafespeed and other traffic violations
Aug. 25 Adam "Pacman" Jones Titans Disorderly conduct, public intoxication
Aug. 15 Koren Robinson Vikings Drunken driving
Sept. 2 Brian Williams Jaguars Drunken driving
Sept. 3 Steve Foley Chargers DUI
Sept. 25 Odell Thurman Bengals Drunken driving
Sept. 26 Terrence Kiel Chargers Transporting a controlled substance; possession for sale of a controlled substance (codeine-based cough syrup)
Oct. 3 B.J. Sams Ravens DUI (second DUI in 14 months)
Oct. 9 Markus Curry Chargers Domestic assault
Oct. 21 Rob Reynolds Titans Domestic violence, assault
Oct. 22 Bobby McCray Jaguars Reckless driving, possession of a controlled substance (The drug charge was dropped.)
Oct. 26 Adam "Pacman" Jones Titans Assault
Nov. 11 Khalif Barnes Jaguars DWI
Nov. 11 Marcus Coleman Cowboys DWI
Nov. 14 Fred Weary Texans Resisting arrest (Judge dismissed the charge.)
Nov. 19 Antonio Bryant 49ers DWI, reckless driving, resisting arrest
Nov. 27 Cletis Gordan Chargers Suspicion of DWI
Nov. 28 Adrian Jones Jets DWI
Dec. 3 Reggie McNeal Bengals Resisting arrest and drug possession
Dec. 9 Deltha O'Neal Bengals DWI
Dec. 14 Terry "Tank" Johnson Bears Possession of a firearm without proper identification

27wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 16:53
While i am not defending Stallworth and I really do not think he should be allowed to play again, but his problem was part of an accident.
28sarge33rd
      ID: 17681812
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 17:09
OK, let me clarify my position...

Those professional athletes who are convicted on a felony charge and sentenced to prison; IMHO should not be allowed back into ANY professional league.
29DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 17:31
"While i am not defending Stallworth and I really do not think he should be allowed to play again, but his problem was part of an accident."

He was drunk and behind the wheel of a car. Unless he thought he was drinking water and/or getting into a cab, you can call it poor judgement but please don't call it an accident.
30DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 17:32
"OK, let me clarify my position...

Those professional athletes who are convicted on a felony charge and sentenced to prison; IMHO should not be allowed back into ANY professional league."

Fair enough. Does this prohibition extend to people in all walks of life? Just entertainers? Just athletes in team sports? Where's the line to say "you went to jail, you can't have your livelihood any more?"
31sarge33rd
      ID: 17681812
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 17:54
Not about to even try and draw an absolute line in the sand.

I for ex, work in a field dealing with consumer finances. If I were convicted of consumer fraud; I find it highly unlikely I would ever find work in my field again; and rightfully so IMHO.

Vick, was in a field of high visibility, high reward and therefore high expectations. His conduct, IMO, negates his further pursuit in THAT field. His character, was proven to be such that his presence could be detrimental not only to the team is came to be with, but for the league as a whole. Because his presence would/could be detrimental, he should not be allowed back in.



Certain privileges come with certain responsibilities. He abdicated those responsibilities, and should therefore IMHO, forfeit those privileges as well.
32wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 18:29
Like I said- I am not defending stallworth, and I never will. What i am saying is he made a bad choice 1 time and it was a terrible tragedy. Vick knowing was killing dogs for years on purpose. IMO he is a terrible person.
33KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 12353217
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 19:38
How do you know Stallworth made a bad choice 1 time? All you actually know is that it resulted in a tragic accident 1 time. You don't know how many times he got behind the wheel while drunk, just like we don't know how many times Vick participated in dog fighting.
34Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Tue, Jul 21, 2009, 19:44
That *is* all we know, KKB. Anything else is speculative.

Go for what you know, yes?
35louky
      ID: 32103269
      Wed, Jul 22, 2009, 01:40
One year suspension makes the most sense. The guy has been out of football for 2 seasons, most of which behind bars. Can't be in the greatest football shape. The Commish has set a low tolerance standard. Vick gets a year to not screw up, and to get back in shape. The NFL stays consistant in their policies.

The louky line is 1 year suspension
36DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Wed, Jul 22, 2009, 10:03
Not an unreasonable line. Keep in mind he was suspended for 2007 (before being convicted) as well.

My personal line is half a season. Would not be shocked by anything in the 0-1 year range.
37DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Wed, Jul 22, 2009, 10:04
Sorta wrong there: pled guilty in August, sentenced in December '07.
38Challenger
      Sustainer
      ID: 481126818
      Mon, Jul 27, 2009, 18:47
Michael Vick Reinstated by NFL

By BARRY WILNER

NEW YORK (AP) -Michael Vick is back in the NFL. Now all he needs is a team to play for.

Vick, free after serving 18 months in prison for running a dogfighting ring, was reinstated with conditions by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday. He could participate in regular-season games as early as October.

Vick can immediately take part in preseason practices, workouts and meetings and can play in the final two preseason games - if he can find a team that will sign him. A number of teams have already said they would not.

Once the season begins, Vick may participate in all team activities except games, and Goodell said he would consider Vick for full reinstatement by Week 6 (Oct. 18-19) at the latest.

Goodell suspended Vick indefinitely in August 2007 after the former Atlanta Falcons quarterback admitted bankrolling a dogfighting operation on his property in Virginia. At the time, Goodell said Vick must show remorse before he would consider reinstating him.

"I accept that you are sincere when you say that you want to, and will, turn your life around, and that you intend to be a positive role model for others," Goodell said in his letter to Vick. "I am prepared to offer you that opportunity. Whether you succeed is entirely in your hands."

"Needless to say, your margin for error is extremely limited," the letter said. "I urge you to take full advantage of the resources available to support you and to dedicate yourself to rebuilding your life and your career. If you do this, the NFL will support you."

Goodell said he spoke to numerous current and former players and coaches as he weighed his decision and that the responses were "very mixed."

"I do recognize that some will never forgive him for what he did," Goodell said. "I hope that the public will have a chance to understand his position as I have."

Vick, once the highest-paid player in the league, said he was grateful for a second chance.

"I would like to express my sincere gratitude and appreciation to commissioner Goodell for allowing me to be readmitted to the National Football League," Vick said in a statement released by his agent, Joel Segal. "I fully understand that playing football in the NFL is a privilege, not a right, and I am truly thankful for the opportunity I have been given.

"As you can imagine, the last two years have given me time to re-evaluate my life, mature as an individual and fully understand the terrible mistakes I have made in the past and what type of life I must lead moving forward," he said.

The announcement came after a busy first week of freedom for Vick, who met with union leaders and Goodell on consecutive days last week. His 23-month federal sentence ended when an electronic monitor was removed from his ankle on July 20 at his home in Hampton, Va.

He met with DeMaurice Smith, executive director of the NFL Players Association, last Tuesday and, on Wednesday, with Goodell at a security firm in Allendale, N.J.

Goodell said Vick agreed to undergo psychiatric testing, which determined that he was capable of returning to the NFL but needed continuing counseling.

He said keeping Vick from playing at the start of the regular season wasn't a form of punishment, but a chance for the quarterback to gradually transition back into the league.

"I have thought about every alternative, but I think this gives him the best chance for success," Goodell said. "We are not looking for failure here. We are looking to see a young man succeed."

But Vick's issues are far from over and he needs a team to call his own. So far, the owners of the New York Giants, Jets and Dallas Cowboys have said they had no interest in the 29-year-old quarterback. Neither do the Falcons, who officially released Vick in June.

Vick filed for bankruptcy protection last July, listing assets of about $16 million and debts of more than $20 million, and has a hearing about his plan to repay his creditors on Friday in Newport News, Va. That plan is built around his ability to make NFL-type money again.

He's unlikely to command anything close to the 10-year, $130 million contract he once had with the Falcons, or to get endorsement deals after the grisly details of the dogfighting ring were publicized.

Vick pleaded guilty after his three co-defendants had already done so. They told of how Vick participated in the killing of dogs that didn't perform well in test fights by shooting, hanging, drowning or slamming them to the ground.

Vick's appearances at federal court in Richmond, Va., prompted large groups of protesters to gather outside. Many were with PETA and held signs depicting photographs of pit bulls ravaged in dogfights.

Still, there were supporters who wore his No. 7 jersey.

Vick has already taken steps to rebuild his image.

He met with the president of the Humane Society of the United States while serving his federal sentence at Leavenworth, Kan. He plans to work with HSUS in a program designed to steer inner city youth away from dogfighting. He was not permitted to work with the program while in custody.

Ed Sayres, president of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, said the organization hopes Vick "rises to the occasion and proves worthy of the rare second chance Commissioner Goodell has granted him."

"Opportunities for redemption are rare - but that is exactly the opportunity that awaits Mr. Vick," he said.


Way too soon IMHO!!

39sarge33rd
      ID: 17681812
      Mon, Jul 27, 2009, 18:49
agree entirely C. And btw....good to see ya again. :)
40Mith
      ID: 2894309
      Tue, Jul 28, 2009, 11:29
There's the when. Now just a matter of where.
41Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Tue, Jul 28, 2009, 11:44
I'm sure there will be a bunch of teams who would sign Vick up with an incentive-laden contract once they see that he can still play.
42sarge33rd
      ID: 17681812
      Tue, Jul 28, 2009, 17:57
Childress says Favre NOT joining the Vikings

Dear gawd don;t let this mean he is courting Vick.

I've been a Minn fan since '68/'69 in the days of Joe Kapp. They sign Vick, and I'll change. THAT disappointment, would be more than I could bear.
43DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Tue, Jul 28, 2009, 18:46
Try being a Lions fan for about a week. That'll cure ya of that disappointment.
44Slizz
      ID: 26692711
      Tue, Jul 28, 2009, 20:05
DWetzel, that was probably the funniest post i've read on here in months.
45DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Tue, Jul 28, 2009, 20:23
Thanks! I'll be here all week. Try the veal!
46Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 20:51
Vick's now an Eagle.

Judy--we need the dirt here.
47judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 21:17
The dirt is that Howard Eskin and Mike Quick say it is true and will be done tonight after the game.
He is apparently "in the building"...Merrill Reese is in shock!
48judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 21:18
from SI.com

Michael Vick is back in the NFL, landing a job with the Philadelphia Eagles.
"He signed with the Eagles," agent Joel Segal told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Thursday. He
said it was a two-year deal.
Vick, who served 18 months in prison for running a dogfighting ring, signed less than three weeks after he was
conditionally reinstated by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.
Vick can immediately take part in preseason practices, workouts and meetings and can play in the final two
preseason games. The former Atlanta Falcons quarterback can apply for full reinstatement by Week 6 in October.
The Eagles went to the playoffs last season under quarterback Donovan McNabb, and are still looking for their
elusive first Super Bowl win.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/08/13/vick.eagles.ap/index.html?
eref=BrkNews#ixzz0O7FRJNHN
49judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 21:19
WOW!

(I thought my comment needed its own post.)
50Electroman
      ID: 565182111
      Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 23:11
Hey, he served his time, and I hope that a lot of other teams are sorry that they passed on him after we see him play. Imagine the backfield with Westbrook and Vick, that could be scary.
51Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 23:19
another reason to hate the eagles.

52judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 14, 2009, 00:21
Donovan game an amazing post game press conference tonight -- answering questions mostly
about Vick. You should read it if you can find it. CSBphilly might have a video.

I thought his words were careful and well thought out. He was calm but forceful in his
responses to the questions. It is clear that he wanted Vick to come to Philly for a variety of
reasons -- not all of them football.

Time will tell how it plays out. I expect the media to be quite active for the next week or so.
53Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Fri, Aug 14, 2009, 00:23
Clearly, the animal shelters in Philly are overcrowded and they need the help...

Cheap shot---sorry.

:)
54Slizz
      ID: 497421413
      Fri, Aug 14, 2009, 14:44
Judy - As an eagle fan, you know that the fans, media, and some players will expect nothing short of perfection from him. If he does not give them that, they will be ruthless in calling for his head b/c of Vick.

While I agree McNabb was eloquent in delivering his speech last night, a part of him knows that the storm is coming...

55judy
      ID: 48642817
      Fri, Aug 14, 2009, 15:47
I also think this is a mentoring situation for mcnabb. What the
media need to get over is that there is no QB contoversy in
Philly and now they have nothing to write about and they are
p****ed about it.

What I think would be very interesting would be that vick and
utley who is a huge animal rights advocate got together to
support the cause.

We shall see what develops..

I just saw on espn that the nationwide poll is 55% for the
move.
56barilko6
      ID: 497541610
      Sun, Aug 16, 2009, 11:54
Re: Post 52

Maybe McNabb isn't as happy about Vick as all seems?
57Nerfherders
      ID: 310111515
      Sun, Aug 16, 2009, 12:54
I am an Eagles fan and I am in favor of this from a football standpoint. They can put Vick in a wildcat formation and direct snap it. The difference though is Vick can throw it from that formation as well. I think it is a big move as long as he behaves himself.

Too bad Vick can't play defense.. I have a feeling the Eagles D is not going to be good this year.
58judy
      ID: 597401015
      Sun, Aug 16, 2009, 13:57
RE 56

That is just the Philly media trying to stir up stories so they have
something to write about.
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