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Subject: College Football 2009 Posted by: Slizz - [557152814] Fri, Sep 04, 2009, 12:16 What a better way to kickoff 2009 than with the Ole' Ball Coach winning yet another regular season opener and some controversy in the nightcap with Oregon and Boise State. | |||||||
| 35 | Slizz ID: 288571512 Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 13:15 |
Great observations, PD! I think OSU is a solid 4-1 team. They have a BCS-Caliber defense. Its only a matter of time before Pryor at least gets them there en route to another loss to a top 5 team. G-Tech is legit. I think the pollsters should have never dropped them from the top 25. They remind me alot of Michigan State. Can beat up on those below them, but not quite ready to deal with the top 20. BYU - Solid team...has a bunch of seniors (aren't the typical seniors as they are almost all 25 and physically developed b/c of their "missions".) Michigan - Couldn't agree more. They've needed that Forcier magic 3 weeks in a row. The defense still has a lot of work to do but Rich Rod is well on his way to restoring the glory. as for the undefeateds...Cincy is no surprise. They should run the table and will be in a BCS game. USF - cupcake preseason and the win over FSU. Solid, but no better than top 20. Wisconsin is another one of those teams that is gonna lose sooner or later. Speaking of USC - is it me or does the media try and overhype USC / Cal every single year? ...and every single year USC destroys them. | ||||||
| 36 | Promize ID: 551462816 Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 14:58 |
Slizz, the media tries to hype any team that will give the TV ratings a boost. Hence why USC is always overrated year in and year out. Big share of the ratings from CA. Another reason why at times a 6-5 ND team will still be in the rankings, they have a HUGE following which in turn brings ratings. Recent Mark Richt show he was pretty honest about how the coaches poll works. He said something in the affect, "If I filled out my card the way it should be right now and who really deserves to be ranked, I would be run out of town and laughed at. So I do what other coaches do, look what happen the week before and move teams accordingly." So sick of my Georgia boys right now makes me ill... And that bad call isn't what loss the game for them... 67 total offensive yards in the first half is what loss the game...or the missed field goal... Unreal how lucky LSU is this year, they are going to have a cake ride this year up to the Bama game. Very overranked team. No way you can tell me that LSU is just a step under BAMA. The will win if Teabag doesn't play. Hate G-Tech, but agree, they are hiding and creeping up. The Miami game was a huge wake up call. That team is a running monster. My other boys Mizzou... bit of luck with the schedule they have. It could be a cake wake for them in the Big 12 North. This freshman QB is actually pretty good. Of course, as always they gotta get by one of the big 3, and this year it is Texas. Sean Witherspoon... look for him to be a Top pick next year in the draft. | ||||||
| 37 | Slizz ID: 288571512 Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 16:02 |
Yeah, I actually took UGA to cover b/c LSU's offense is so bad. I thought the Dawgs could pull it out! either way, I suspect that the game b/w LSU and Florida will be very close as I am hearing Tebow won't play. I think Jordan Jefferson makes a couple mistakes Florida capitalizes on and wins b/c of it. | ||||||
| 38 | Seattle Zen ID: 238441010 Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 16:26 |
Blah, blah, blah Georgia Bulldogs. My school has a Lamborghini laboratory. If UGA even has a lab, it's probably a John Deere riding mower lab reserved for the only people who can safely operate one, the professors. :) | ||||||
| 39 | Seattle Zen ID: 238441010 Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 21:53 |
Re post 32 by Frick: The replay officials in the booth WERE from the Big East. No word if one really was Weis's butcher. Well, I tried. For those of you who wondered if there would be any comment coming from the Big East Conference on the decisions made in the replay booth in Saturday's game, the answer is a definitive no. | ||||||
| 40 | Frick ID: 4945458 Thu, Oct 08, 2009, 08:30 |
I apologize for assuming that the officials in the booth were from the Pac-10. I agree that it seems like a huge loophole. I would like to know who decided that Big East officials would be in the booth. Was it ND's choice or did the Pac-10 not want to pay to send more people to the game? | ||||||
| 41 | Mötley Crüe ID: 45927710 Sun, Oct 11, 2009, 06:09 |
Tebow looked like someone fed him a kryptonite sandwich at lunchtime on Saturday. On the other hand, I think the Gators' D made a strong statement. I acknowledge the role penalties played all evening in that game, and I also believe LSU had no business being ranked 4th nationally. But teams don't get out of Saturday night in Death Valley alive. And UF did just that. Go Gators. | ||||||
| 42 | Seattle Zen ID: 238441010 Sun, Oct 11, 2009, 13:27 |
I think the Gators' D made a strong statement. Serious understatement. That D was wicked, drum-tight. They miss Percy Harvin on offense, but that defense will carry them all year. I also can't wrap my head around this stat: the Gators have not given up a single yard on punt returns. That's just unreal. | ||||||
| 43 | Slizz ID: 13104129 Mon, Oct 12, 2009, 12:35 |
I am already salivating at the possibility of a Florida vs Alabama SEC (National) Championship. No way LSU & South Carolina go into Bryant-Denny and win. In my opinion, I think Alabama is the best team in the Nation. Suffocating defense...awesome ball-control, ground game, and one of the best coaches (judas to dolphin fans) in the nation. Only roadblock on Florida's schedule is a date @ South Carolina...which they should win judging how USC allows other teams to stay in the game with a semi-porous defense. My question, and its a bit early to ask, is as follows: What happens if/when Alabama loses to Florida in the SEC Championship (football gods love Tebow too much); i.e. - do they get ranked behind Virginia Tech (who is also going to run the table) like they did to Texas last year thus creating another BCS headache? SZ - the fluke play vs Arizona for a Washington defensive TD: atonement for last week? Also, why is the "W" logo on their helmets not symmetrical? (i.e. the right part is thinner than the left) | ||||||
| 44 | Seattle Zen ID: 238441010 Mon, Oct 12, 2009, 12:50 |
SZ - the fluke play vs Arizona for a Washington defensive TD: atonement for last week? It helps... :) Don't question perfection. | ||||||
| 45 | Building 7 ID: 471052128 Mon, Oct 12, 2009, 13:00 |
Also, why is the "W" logo on their helmets not symmetrical? (i.e. the right part is thinner than the left) It's because they wear down at the end of games, just like the W wears down at the end. lq | ||||||
| 46 | boikin ID: 532592112 Mon, Oct 12, 2009, 14:43 |
the Gators have not given up a single yard on punt returns. It helps to never have to punt. | ||||||
| 47 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 721308 Mon, Oct 12, 2009, 14:55 |
I am already salivating at the possibility of a Florida vs Alabama SEC (National) Championship. HIGHLY unlikely. You've already outlined why it wouldn't happen, just like last year. ALA lost to FLA in the SEC Championship and the voters didn't want to give them a second chance. Any conference that has a championship is highly unlikely to ever see two of its teams in a national championship. And I don't think that's such a bad thing. Think about it. ALA loses to FLA in the SEC Championship (last year). Why put them in the National Championship? If FLA loses, what then? The "series" is 1-1. Yet the National Championship would have gone to ALA... who lost to FLA just one game earlier. In a playoff, that "one game earlier" would have kicked ALA out. | ||||||
| 48 | Perm Dude ID: 438132822 Mon, Oct 12, 2009, 15:04 |
It helps to never have to punt. Actually, they've had 13 punts this year, but only one caught (a fair catch in the Troy game). I don't think opposing teams are spending much time in practice working on running back punts against Florida. | ||||||
| 49 | boikin ID: 532592112 Mon, Oct 12, 2009, 15:09 | sounds like good(or poor) kicking if 12 out the 13 punts were not even caught. | ||||||
| 50 | Perm Dude ID: 438132822 Mon, Oct 12, 2009, 15:14 | Not sure on this, but it seems to me that they had a very low number of TB's as well, so they might just be good at long out-of-bounds kicking. It is certainly hard to give up punt return yardage when the guy catching it would need to be 5 yards out-of-bounds! | ||||||
| 51 | Razor ID: 57854118 Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 10:56 |
"Think about it. ALA loses to FLA in the SEC Championship (last year). Why put them in the National Championship? If FLA loses, what then? The "series" is 1-1. Yet the National Championship would have gone to ALA... who lost to FLA just one game earlier." Psssh, tell that to the 1996 Seminoles. | ||||||
| 52 | Slizz ID: 288571512 Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 11:59 | I put "(National)" b/c the winner of that game is going to win the national championship :) IMHO, that will be the actual national championship game... | ||||||
| 53 | Razor ID: 57854118 Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 12:06 | Florida ranks 66th in the nation in net punt average. Oklahoma has punted 22 times and yielded -2 yards. | ||||||
| 54 | Slizz ID: 288571512 Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 09:42 | Per Chris Mortensen on Twitter: Washington QB Jake Locker - if he comes out - is way up on teams' scout grades. Tops for 1 team in QB hunt; Bradford majority No. 1 for now. | ||||||
| 55 | Perm Dude ID: 154552311 Sat, Oct 17, 2009, 15:28 |
Ohio State comes up just short against the Boilermakers. With the Cincinnati QB going down, this is probably a high point for Ohio schools in the rankings. That Texas/OK game is pretty good, though! | ||||||
| 56 | Tree ID: 248472317 Sat, Oct 17, 2009, 15:57 | Hook 'Em Horns! | ||||||
| 57 | katietx ID: 201411622 Wed, Oct 21, 2009, 02:58 |
TX/OU game was ugly. Really a shame Bradford went down again - possible shoulder surgery. Wonder if TX will get the shaft again re: national championship. | ||||||
| 58 | Slizz ID: 389401717 Fri, Oct 23, 2009, 16:41 |
A little late, but nevertheless halirious: 5. In my effort to figure out why Off-The-Marcus Russell is the worst NFL quarterback in history, I discovered that he is part of a pattern of underachieving first-round draft picks from LSU. Fat, lazy and unmotivated might be an LSU character trait. In the past decade, nine Tigers have been tabbed in the first round of the draft -- defensive end Tyson Jackson, defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey, quarterback Off-The-Marcus Russell, safety LaRon Landry, receiver Dwayne Bowe, receiver Craig Davis, running back Joseph Addai, defensive end Marcus Spears and receiver Michael Clayton. Landry has been a good player for the Redskins, starting since he was a rookie. Injuries have ruined Davis' three-year stint in San Diego. And Addai had a nice start to his career in Indianapolis, but he's faded. Clayton and Spears are busts. Dorsey is on his way to bust status in Kansas City. Bowe is in Todd Haley's doghouse in KC and has had problems holding onto the ball throughout his career. You know how bad Russell is. And Jackson's early KC reviews are not good. Chiefs management is going out of its way to lower expectations for Jackson. You never know how a kid is going to react to being made an instant millionaire. Think twice before wasting your millions on an LSU product. | ||||||
| 59 | holt ID: 308491916 Tue, Nov 24, 2009, 21:49 |
I was on the road Saturday and missed this: Les Miles Calling for Spike and Lying Against Ole Miss Can anyone explain what happened there? If not, I'll google it later when I get time. Just seems pretty wacky... | ||||||
| 60 | Slizz ID: 341022514 Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 17:05 |
Jake Locker to Return I applaud the decision by Locker. I think he would have been in over his head in the NFL coming out early as he still is adjusting to a pro-style offense. Doing this will really help his transition to be what looks like the 1st overall pick next year. Typically, QB's taken in the 1st round that have NFL success have two things in common - each has at least 36 starts under his belt (not sure if its 32 or 36) and at least 60% career completion. Locker has neither. I think he will improve that completion % exponentially and will gain that leadership experience by doing staying another year. Plus he'll be able to permanently put U-Dub back on the map! | ||||||
| 61 | Seattle Zen ID: 1410391215 Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 17:11 | Here, here! All hail Jake! | ||||||
| 62 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Tue, Jan 05, 2010, 11:18 |
I thought it was just me who thought this season pretty ho-hum. But the conference bowl records look like NHL standings: * Atlantic Coast 3-3 * Big 12 4-3 * Big East 4-2 * Big Ten 3-3 * Conference USA 2-4 * Independents (FBS) 1-0 * Mid-American 0-4 * Mountain West 4-1 * Pacific-10 2-5 * Southeastern 5-4 * Sun Belt 1-0 * Western Athletic 2-2 | ||||||
| 63 | Seattle Zen ID: 1410391215 Tue, Jan 05, 2010, 12:08 | Was somewhat bored with the game last night. Neither Boise State nor TCU looked like a top ten team to me. Can't say I'm all that interested in Iowa v. GTech either. | ||||||
| 64 | Slizz ID: 341022514 Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 08:43 |
not gonna lie, only game i watched was the 2nd half of Auburn / Northwestern. for the most part, the bowl games have been pretty boring. TV Ratings for the BCS (18-49 Rating/Share): Saturday Rose Bowl: 5.5/16Sugar Bowl: 5.5/16 Monday Fiesta Bowl: 4.5/11 Its quite possible that the smaller schools CAN carry a BCS game judging by TV Ratings... I'm curious to see what the Orange Bowl did as I didn't even know they played until I saw the ESPN highlights! | ||||||
| 65 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 721308 Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 10:23 |
Personally, I think part of the problem is that the games are now too spread out. Saturday, I was all about watching/listening to some college football. Monday? After my first day back to work after the holidays, I was too tired to care about a bowl game with teams I didn't have a rooting interest in. Tuesday? Pretty much the same as Monday. I'm only interested in the Thursday game as an Auburn fan. Hook 'em Horns! :) | ||||||
| 66 | Seattle Zen ID: 1410391215 Fri, Jan 08, 2010, 13:00 |
Last night was a disappointment in many ways. I would think that other than the most diehard Tide fans everyone was disappointed that Colt got injured and his replacement started the game going 3-17 and looking like a boy fresh out of high school. The fact that Texas came back to get it to 24-21 was more a testament to the poor choices of Nick Saban and his conservative play calling than anything else. I don't feel like I got to see the best two teams fight it out. Furthermore, as for the whole bowl season, 30+ days in between games lead to some really ugly rustiness on the field. I'm with KKB, there were not enough games on New Year's Day. It's getting more and more difficult to support the bowl system. | ||||||
| 67 | Tree ID: 248472317 Fri, Jan 08, 2010, 14:21 |
As a Longhorn fan, last night went from heartbreaking to exciting (as a true frosh almost completed the greatest comeback in Bowl history) to heartbreaking. I'm with KKB, there were not enough games on New Year's Day. It's getting more and more difficult to support the bowl system. This. I remember when *all* the big games were on New Year's Day. It was an EVENT. Lie Super Bowl Sunday, New Year's Day meant all the big teams were playing on the same day, and some sort of National Champion would be crowned. Now, really, each game feels like, just another game. | ||||||
| 68 | Great One ID: 5803069 Fri, Jan 08, 2010, 15:22 | They should have played Alabama vs. TCU and Boise vs. Texas on New Years Day... and then a week later do the BCS Title game with the winner of the two. | ||||||
| 69 | Nuclear Gophers ID: 7115138 Fri, Jan 08, 2010, 16:42 | 66- good point. boise st playing tcu are u kidding me. At least put boise st against florida and tcu against cinn. | ||||||
| 70 | Slizz ID: 341022514 Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 02:31 |
I don't think a healthy colt mccoy would've changed the outcome of the game... When the winning QB only throws 11 passes and the game is "that" close, somethings up...Saban put the game on his defense's shoulders and kept chipping away at the Texas D with run after run after run. I mean, who would've thought garrett gilbert would even mount a comeback vs the best defense in all of CFB? I was never a Colt McCoy fan until watching his post-game interview. The way he carried himself through that interview was unbelievable. Class through and through... | ||||||
| 71 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 12353217 Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 12:09 |
RE: 70, but Saban might not have been able to put the game on his defense's shoulders if McCoy was in the game. It's much easier to let your defense shoulder the load when there's a true freshman under center. Not so much when it's a Heisman Trophy winner. Further, the final outcome of the game was determined on Texas's final three possessions, which ended in the following ways... Texas (3:08 remaining): Gilbert sacked. Gilbert fumbled. ALA recovered on TEX 3. Texas (2:01): Gilbert intercepted. ALA on TEX 27. Texas (0:41): Gilbert intercepted. ALA on ALA 31. I have to believe that if McCoy were running the offense that it wouldn't have gone down like that. I just can't imagine him losing a fumble on the TEX 3, allowing ALA an easy score. The interceptions are possibilities, but had McCoy been able to direct TEX into FG position, like Gilbert had been doing up until the drive with the fumble, then it's a completely different game with a tie score. Obviously, this is all just one big guessing game, but I don't think ALA would have had as easy a time winning, particularly at the end, if McCoy were in the game for every TEX drive. | ||||||
| 72 | Seattle Zen Leader ID: 055343019 Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 13:25 |
I don't think a healthy colt mccoy would've changed the outcome of the game... Come on, Slizz, even a Bears fan is smarter than that. Gilbert was awful. Alabama may still have won, but McCoy would have given Texas a much better chance. | ||||||
| 73 | Slizz ID: 341022514 Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 19:18 |
I don't! Maybe it's the SEC Homerism talking...but Alabama called the most Vanilla game the minute he went down. Either 'Bama or Florida were the best team in the nation when the season started and they were definitely the best when it ended. I agree with KKB that it wouldnt've been as easy for them, but it was pretty obvious that he said regardless of how the game turns out, don't turn it over and ride the D to the BCS championship. | ||||||
| 74 | Tree ID: 248472317 Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 19:42 |
I don't think a healthy colt mccoy would've changed the outcome of the game... followed by I mean, who would've thought garrett gilbert would even mount a comeback vs the best defense in all of CFB? those statements almost contradict each other. imagine what a Heisman candidate in McCoy would have done against "the best defense in all of CFB" if a true freshman like Gilbert was able to do what he did. | ||||||
| 75 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 19:58 |
The AL defense wasn't ready for Gilbert, who is raw but obviously has talent. McCoy made no bones, after the game, thinking that he would have won it if he'd been in there (nice teamate, that). Alabama's defense would have played a different game against McCoy. So it is all speculative as to whether he would have led his team to victory against a great defense who were prepared against him. | ||||||
| 76 | Razor ID: 571022618 Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 20:14 |
I don't understand how anyone could argue that the game would not have turned out significantly more favorably for Texas had McCoy played. McCoy was the best QB in the country. Gilbert was absolutely awful. Anything Gilbert can do and did, McCoy could have done and then some. Alabama played conservatively, but they didn't just mail it in. Texas cut it to a 3 point game and had the ball with 3 minutes to play with a chance to win. Had McCoy even played that one drive, Texas might have won. Alabama's defense was not ready for Gilbert? What does that mean? Texas ran a predictable, simplified offense with Gilbert and they still managed to score a couple TD's. I have no doubt that with McCoy in the game, Texas would have scored 30 and have produced far fewer turnovers. I came away from the game thinking Texas looked like the better team. | ||||||
| 77 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 20:17 | Maybe you're right. But it still is all speculative. The better (maybe) team lost, but they still lost. | ||||||
| 78 | Slizz ID: 341022514 Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 22:23 |
i think you're looking too much into my statement...my point is that if I'm the head coach (Saban) and McCoy goes down, I'm not even expecting the wet behind the ears guy to come in and make a comeback. i'm not as polished as you with the grammar and don't really proofread...lol we (the audience) got the most bland, vanilla play calling from Alabama that we definitely would not have saw had McCoy been in. McCoy likely would've done the same thing Tim Tebow did vs Alabama...not much! | ||||||
| 79 | Razor ID: 571022618 Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 22:40 |
Texas' true freshman backup QB scored more points against Alabama than Florida did. Texas was better than Florida, that much should be clear from the games Texas and Florida played against Alabama. The decision to go conservative might have helped Alabama score more points than they would have had they gone with their normal attack. Texas' secondary shutdown Alabama's passing game completely, and if they had tried to throw the ball around, it probably would not have been as successful as keeping it on the ground all game, which was only somewhat successful itself. | ||||||
| 80 | Slizz ID: 341022514 Mon, Jan 11, 2010, 00:22 | bama had texas on the ropes. why risk a turnover when you can just run the ball and eat up clock. we'll never know and we'll always be left to speculate... | ||||||
| 81 | Razor ID: 571022618 Mon, Jan 11, 2010, 00:59 | As Alabama learned, an 18-point lead is not safe. Even early in the game, when Alabama dropped back to pass, bad things happened. Their wide receivers had 2 catches in the entire game. They just couldn't get open against Texas. Alabama was very fortunate to have had things work out the way they did, especially with the gift wrapped interception at the end of the 1st half. I think Texas might have won the game with Gilbert if it weren't for that pick. Bama lined up to punt 8 times; Texas was containing them. | ||||||
| 82 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 721308 Mon, Jan 11, 2010, 09:53 |
Slizz, I see where you're going with your argument, but I just can't get there. Somehow, it's better for Texas to have a true freshman QB than to have Colt McCoy? Sorry, I can't buy that. That's like saying that in order to win, or do better, in the SEC Championship, Florida should have benched Tebow in favor of John Brantley. Who? Exactly! Your #1 QB is your #1 QB for a reason: he gives you the best chance to win, regardless of the other team's gameplanning. Do you think other teams don't gameplan for Tebow, McCoy, etc.? Is 'Bama the only team to do so? And why would the Alabama defense suddenly go so vanilla that it allows a huge comeback by this true freshman QB? And if it was so vanilla to allow a huge comeback, then how did they manage three turnovers on the last three TEX possessions, two of them deep in TEX territory? Did it take Saban that long to wake up? Or was the 'Bama defense actually that vulnerable? Personally, I look at 'Bama's games against Auburn (332 total yards vs. 'Bama's 291) and Tennessee (341 total yards vs. 'Bama's 256) to see that 'Bama was extremely vulnerable to a team that could lay down 300+ total yards and hold 'Bama to under 300 yards. Both the Auburn and Tennessee games came down to the final possession to determine the winner and 'Bama squeaked out a win in each of them. Texas held 'Bama to 263 yards while only having 276 total yards themselves with a true freshman at QB. I can only imagine that Colt McCoy would have managed to get more total yards and would have made the game a lot more interesting. I'm certainly not saying Texas would have won with McCoy at QB the whole game, but I don't think 'Bama would have had such an easy time of it at the end of the game. In fact, I think OT would have been a real possibility. | ||||||
| 83 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Mon, Jan 11, 2010, 10:45 |
[ ] was extremely vulnerable to a team that could lay down 300+ total yards and hold 'Bama to under 300 yards. Genius. :) | ||||||
| 84 | Slizz ID: 341022514 Mon, Jan 11, 2010, 20:36 |
kkb - great points. I'm not saying that Gilbert gave them a better chance. He clearly didn't. Everybody seems to be talking bout how Texas kept the game close with Gilbert at QB. I disagree with that logic and subscribe to the theory that it wasn't about Texas keeping it close, it was about Alabama playing "not to lose" b/c they could. If I was the best defense in all of college football going against a true freshman with a 24-6 lead...there is no way I am throwing the ball. Same thing with the Ravens & Flacco last Sunday. Had McCoy been in, I still think Alabama would've won...and it would've been a more exciting game than seeing them call nothing but runs and play a 3 to 4 man rush while dropping 7 to 8. McCoy was a huge loss, absolutely huge. It totally changed the way Alabama was calling the game...thats what i'm trying to say (should that make any sense!) also, here is a great article profiling McCoy & Gilbert after the loss: | ||||||
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