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0 Subject: Gurupie 24 2010 Pre-Season 9 Discussion

Posted by: Ref - Donor [539581218] Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 17:33

2009 Season Discussion

It's that time again. E-mails are going out to last year's managers and their intent to return. Already one manager will not be coming back and I've been unable to reach another manager for 2-3 months.

If you have recommendations for replacement managers, e-mail me.
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81Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 15:22
I am new to this league but that sure seems like an excessively high price to pay for Carson Palmer Frick you are a thief LOL.
2010 Fantasy Football Outlook- From Rotowire

At this point in his career, Palmer is only a starter when you have a bye week or an injury. He’s not even a week-to-week matchup play now coming off the horrendous 2009 season. The Bengals have an extreme lack of offensive weapons beyond Chad Ochocinco and are now a defensive-oriented team that relies on a running game and seeks to keep scores manageable. So Palmer is thus a name brand with little fantasy value outside of that.
82Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 15:52
Thanks for the emails & offers I've received. Just to make it more clear, I'm not willing to part with my 2011 first rounder. I got into this deep hole by continuing to trade away my top pick for good, but ultimately average, position players. So the buck really needs to stop even if that means I pass on a good position player this year to fill one of my obvious roster holes.

That all said, this is an excellent time for a manager to really move up in this year's draft for a player you might be considering dropping already--I've got top picks in about every round, and I have two second round picks.
83Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 18:52
Just wondering - Is there any penalty for not posting your keepers on the forum thread- 1/3 of the teams are yet to post with the deadline tomorrow- It really makes it hard to judge who will be left when people don't post timely.
84Doug
      ID: 8744316
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 19:20
PD, you still interested in Delhomme?

I might also be willing to move Vincent Jackson, he's a bit undervalued since he's going to miss some games this year, but keeper talent is clearly there.

Might have one or two other thoughts if neither of those appeal but those seem the best options... about to grab dinner, email me.
85Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 19:22
I thought I sent you a note a couple of days ago about Delhomme. Lemme dig it out and re-send.
86Doug
      ID: 8744316
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 20:23
Yeah, reply sent Fred...

Everyone else, Delhomme or Vincent Jackson are available for draft picks... I don't want players in return... unless you want to take both of them in a 2-for-1 deal.
87 Building 7
      Leader
      ID: 171572711
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 20:29
I can trade one of the following players for a 1 or 2 round draft upgrade:

Derrick Mason 1000 yards
Charles Woodson League MVP, #1 DB
Kirk Morrison, 100 tackles every year.

I even put my email in there to make it easy.
88 Doug
      ID: 8744316
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 20:30
Including email address too :)
89Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 21:44
83: required to post them by Noon ET tomorrow.

Some more housekeeping on keepers. If you change them, you must delete your previous thread and list them again. If your posts are not your final keepers, they should be removed. Should only be 24 replies in there so we can go through and see who has their keepers in on time so we can get to the site and run the keepers and get the site set up for the draft.

Also got to get the schedule set up and manually loaded into the db and i takes awhile to check that for mistakes and it is so easy to make mistakes that it always happens.

90Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 09:26
What happens to Cleveland, cincinnati and Green Bay if they don't post keepers by noon- Do they lose all their keepers?
91Frick
      ID: 97321912
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 09:34
No, I believe the Commish/s will select their keepers for them.

FYI, I can't delete my first keeper post, I think I posted from home and don't have the ability here.
92skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 09:52
Frick, haven't heard back from other manager so will do the McGahee for 4th rounder we discussed.
93Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 10:32
90: usually we count the number of keeper posts and then figure out who hasn't posted, but that thread is a mess this season so not sure how many we are short for sure just yet. If it's only three then we are in good shape as those three managers have been actively dealing and should be no issue.

91: correct as stated in keeper thread

92: Since the 4.15 was made in trade response and not offer, I will need a confirmation from frick before I can process the trade.

Man, what I was willing to take for Berrian before now no longer is relevant. I will be keeping him after all. I wanted to anyhow--just wasn't sure who I'd toss. I would definitely be doing some things different if I managed some of the teams, but what's great is that we all have differing ideas and values on players and I am sometimes off-base just like everyone else.

Last chance to get a deal on:RB Fred Jackson (scored over 1000 yds last season and still listed as Buffalo starting RB and will be ready for week 1 though he has company). Planned on keeping him and will still love to keep.

WR Austin Collie (Has been the best slot guy in camp and outplayed Garcon and AGonz. AGonz could move to WR2. Still merky at wideout for sure). I simply don't have room to keep.

K Mason Crosby (top 4 or 5 projected K). definite Keeper but numbers game.

LB Brian Cushing (if not for 4 game suspension one of the top projected points getter IDP). I'm still trying to figure out a way to keep him. Who do I cut for him????

94Frick
      ID: 97321912
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 10:33
Confirmed
95Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 10:49
For those late wheelers and dealers who might not be able to post to here or cbs right now. if you can get me a trade confirm via email by Noon ET and then get your keeps updated, we can work with that.
96Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 11:13
I'll be posting by noon. Still negotiating some deals. And I've marked out keepers on the CBS site as a backup already.
97Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 11:16
We will be running CBS Keepers manually sometime after Noon.

Looks like I may be heading away from computer in a couple mins and may not get ack until after Noon. If you email me a trade confirm or updated keepers by Noon, they will count. If I make them I will send them to Cards or another manager for verification.
98Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 11:28
sent you an email, ref.
99Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 11:48
Trade announcement:

Doug's Oakland Raiders trade:

Jake Delhomme + 4.12 + 5.12

to

Perm Dude's Cleveland Browns for

2.24 + 4.21


And a conditional pick (this is where ref tears his hair out):

If Delhomme is a top 20 QB (per CBS rankings) at the end of 2010, Oakland and Cleveland will swap 2011 first round picks. If he is top 21-25 we swap second round picks. 26+ we swap third round picks. This conditional swap is nullified in the case that the Browns finish ahead of the Raiders at the end of the 2010 season.
100Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 12:11
OK made it back.

Your Keepers may not be changed after Noon UNLESS You made a deal that was accepted before that time and then you may only change that traded player.

It's crazy how much back and forths I've had in the past 30 mins. One just responded two mins ago and was bummed cuz he didn't get one of my responses until it was too late. Weird how everyone put things off so late, but I'm proud that I dropped players instead of taking the lowball offers as it should help me more in the top part of the draft which is the most important anyhow.
102Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 12:17
My keepers were posted on CBS before noon, with the exception of Delhomme. The keeper thread is now correct.
103Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 12:19
Yes, PD. I see that now. Thanks. That thread is such a mess. Should have your deal figured out and processed soon.
104Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 12:29
Doug and PD, I've processed your deal and noted it in the rules. Please double check it. I need to go back and edit the conditions to save space, but I can do that later. Check both '10 and '11 traded picks in the rules.

Can everyone please delete their posts that are no longer valid in keepers? DS usually cleans up posts when there are mistakes or people can't delete because they posted from a different computer, but he is unable to do so. I need to figure out if all 24 teams are accounted for, so I can start double checking things on CBS and dump all non-keepers with a click of a button.

105Doug
      ID: 8744316
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 13:30
Trade notes in rules looks good to me... "CBS Rankings" could just be replaced with "G24 scoring" to be clear... it's if he's top 20, etc. based on our scoring rules, rankings to me could imply something else. I'm not terribly worried about it, I think we all know what the intent is here.

I noticed Slackjawed didn't post Ted Ginn in the thread (I assume a drop since he lists 9 keepers).

Keepers posted in the other thread in this sequence. Coldwater and slackjawed have "edit" posts that modify previous posts (ideally those would be deleted and consolidated into 1 new post). Any of the ones marked with * are I think superceded by later posts and probably should be deleted.

1 StlCards
* Valkyrie
3 Slizz
4 Peter N.
5 Judy
6 Great One
* Frick
8 Nerf
9 Toral
10 mjd
11 Slackjawed
12 gshade
24 coldwater
24b coldwater adjustment
* Valkyrie adjustment
11b Slackjawed clarification (Hester is keeper)
* beastiemiked
13 beastiemiked (better formatting)
14 deepsnapper
* Valkyrie
15 Twarpy
16 Promize
17 B7
18 ccrider
19 ref
2 Valkyrie
20 youngroman
* Frick
21 skinneej
24c coldwater adjustment
22 Doug
7 Frick
23 Perm Dude
106Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 13:36
I'll delete the updated keeper posts, and edit the ones as necessary. Gimme ten minutes to polish them up.
107Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 13:45
OK, dupes deleted and requested adjustments made.
108Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 14:44
Huge help Doug and PD!!!

All 24 have posted in time. The two who posted after the deadline only replaced players who were legally traded prior to the deadline.

I think if there would have been a later deadline, there would have been more deals, but we have to cut it off at some point and we do need time to get the site set up.

I am not going through to see that the keepers match. I will go through and make sure there are 9 checked. If there are mis-marked keepers you need to alert us BEFORE the draft starts. The keeper thread is official.

109Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 15:53
Non-Keepers have now been processed. A couple forgot to mark their keeps so it took me a little longer.

Schedule is done and has been posted here: 2010 G24 Schedule.

The schedule is coded and is based on the order of finish in your division at the end of the regular season. There is a SOS factor for two games based on last season's finish. I will get it uploaded into CBS soon. The post is pretty self-explanatory. Feel free to post in that thread as well. If you see any issues, let me know.
110Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 15:56
Actually the SOS is for all the games in the other conference. There are two teams you don't play at all based on SOS.
111Great One
      ID: 2275057
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 15:59
Damn, I gotta wait til week 6 to beat up on the Colts? boo...
112Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 16:08
Shouldn't be too hard. My team was really deep but not great. Now it is much less deep, and still not great. :( Gonna have to draft my ass off and get lucky along the way.
113Great One
      ID: 2275057
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 16:18
Berrian gets a boost if Sidney is down for a while.
114StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 16:45
GO's Jets trade Dennis Dixon & pick 14.24

What pick is this supposed to be? There are only 11 rounds in the supplemental draft.
115StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 16:59
Vikings do not own a 4th round pick via this trade: 12-3 Vikings receive 49ers' 1st for his 4th (Maroney/Ringer)

therefore, this trade is now in question and needs to be adjusted asap:
8-24 Packers get Vikings 4.15 for their 6th roudner (McGahee)
116Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 17:01
#114: That was intended to be the last round pick (i.e., 11.24).
117Frick
      ID: 97321912
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 18:32
Gah, I hadn't offered my 4th prior to that because I knew I didn't have it. The error was my mistake, make it my 3rd round pick for my error.

I doubt that Skineej will an issue with that solution.
118Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 21:17
GO had a discrepancy in his cbs and rotoguru keeps. I have fixed.
119skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 21:55
Thanks Frick. Hard to keep up with picks I know.
120 Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 22:06
Since I am new gere could someone please tell me where and how are we drafting tomorrow? Are we posuing on a draft thread in this forum or are going to use cbs draft room *for a slow live draft?) or are we usinf Kafenetid ?
121Peter N.
      ID: 47322421
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 22:32
Valkyrie - We draft in the Football Standings Forum and pick up our players in CBS as they are drafted.

Here is a link to previous drafts and recaps.

Previous Drafts/Recaps
122Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 23:11
Thanks Peter
123StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:05
          G24 2010 Supplemental Draft Order            
          Round            
  1   2   3   4   5   6
1.01  Chiefs 2.01  Browns 3.01  Browns 4.01  Browns 5.01  Browns 6.01  Browns
1.02  Bills 2.02  Panthers 3.02  Panthers 4.02  Panthers 5.02  Panthers 6.02  Packers
1.03  Lions 2.03  Bills 3.03  Lions 4.03  Bills 5.03  Colts 6.03  Bills
1.04  Bills 2.04  Lions 3.04  Lions 4.04  Lions 5.04  Lions 6.04  Lions
1.05  Panthers 2.05  Bengals 3.05  Bengals 4.05  Bengals 5.05  Bengals 6.05  Bengals
1.06  Bengals 2.06  Giants 3.06  Giants 4.06  Giants 5.06  Giants 6.06  Giants
1.07  Giants 2.07  Raiders 3.07  Raiders 4.07  Broncos 5.07  Jets 6.07  Broncos
1.08  Raiders 2.08  Vikings 3.08  Chiefs 4.08  Chiefs 5.08  Chiefs 6.08  Chiefs
1.09  Bears 2.09  Bears 3.09  Bears 4.09  Bears 5.09  Bears 6.09  Bears
1.10  Ravens 2.10  Ravens 3.10  Ravens 4.10  Jets 5.10  Jets 6.10  Cardinals
1.11  Jaguars 2.11  Jaguars 3.11  Jaguars 4.11  Jaguars 5.11  Jaguars 6.11  Jaguars
1.12  Broncos 2.12  Broncos 3.12  Raiders 4.12  Browns 5.12  Browns 6.12  Broncos
1.13  Vikings 2.13  Vikings 3.13  49ers 4.13  49ers 5.13  Packers 6.13  49ers
1.14  Cowboys 2.14  Cowboys 3.14  Cowboys 4.14  Cowboys 5.14  Chargers 6.14  Cowboys
1.15  Vikings 2.15  Vikings 3.15  Packers 4.15  49ers 5.15  49ers 6.15  Vikings
1.16  Packers 2.16  Packers 3.16  49ers 4.16  Giants 5.16  Packers 6.16  Vikings
1.17  Saints 2.17  Saints 3.17  Saints 4.17  Saints 5.17  Saints 6.17  Saints
1.18  Texans 2.18  Texans 3.18  Texans 4.18  Texans 5.18  Lions 6.18  Bengals
1.19  Seahawks 2.19  Seahawks 3.19  Seahawks 4.19  Seahawks 5.19  Seahawks 6.19  Seahawks
1.20  Chargers 2.20  Chargers 3.20  Chargers 4.20  Chargers 5.20  Chargers 6.20  Chargers
1.21  Colts 2.21  Colts 3.21  Colts 4.21  Raiders 5.21  Colts 6.21  Colts
1.22  Eagles 2.22  Eagles 3.22  Eagles 4.22  Eagles 5.22  Eagles 6.22  Eagles
1.23  Cardinals 2.23  Cardinals 3.23  Cardinals 4.23  Ravens 5.23  Ravens 6.23  Cardinals
1.24  Cardinals 2.24  Raiders 3.24  Jets 4.24  Jets 5.24  Jets 6.24  Ravens
                       
  7   8   9   10   11    
7.01  Browns 8.01  Browns 9.01  Jets 10.01  Colts 11.01  Browns    
7.02  Panthers 8.02  Panthers 9.02  Panthers 10.02  Panthers 11.02  Panthers    
7.03  Bills 8.03  Bills 9.03  Bills 10.03  Colts 11.03  Jets    
7.04  Lions 8.04  Texans 9.04  Lions 10.04  Lions 11.04  Bills    
7.05  Bengals 8.05  Texans 9.05  Bengals 10.05  Bengals 11.05  Bengals    
7.06  Giants 8.06  Giants 9.06  Giants 10.06  Giants 11.06  Giants    
7.07  Broncos 8.07  Broncos 9.07  Broncos 10.07  Broncos 11.07  Broncos    
7.08  Chiefs 8.08  Chiefs 9.08  Chiefs 10.08  Chiefs 11.08  Chiefs    
7.09  Bears 8.09  Bears 9.09  Bears 10.09  Bears 11.09  Bears    
7.10  Ravens 8.10  Ravens 9.10  Ravens 10.10  Ravens 11.10  Ravens    
7.11  Jaguars 8.11  Jaguars 9.11  Jaguars 10.11  Jaguars 11.11  Jaguars    
7.12  Raiders 8.12  Raiders 9.12  Raiders 10.12  Raiders 11.12  Raiders    
7.13  49ers 8.13  49ers 9.13  49ers 10.13  49ers 11.13  49ers    
7.14  Cowboys 8.14  Cowboys 9.14  Cowboys 10.14  Cowboys 11.14  Cowboys    
7.15  Vikings 8.15  Vikings 9.15  Vikings 10.15  Vikings 11.15  Vikings    
7.16  Packers 8.16  Panthers 9.16  Packers 10.16  Packers 11.16  Packers    
7.17  Saints 8.17  Saints 9.17  Saints 10.17  Saints 11.17  Saints    
7.18  Texans 8.18  Texans 9.18  Texans 10.18  Texans 11.18  Texans    
7.19  Seahawks 8.19  Seahawks 9.19  Seahawks 10.19  Seahawks 11.19  Seahawks    
7.20  Cowboys 8.20  Chargers 9.20  Chargers 10.20  Chargers 11.20  Chargers    
7.21  Colts 8.21  Bills 9.21  Colts 10.21  Colts 11.21  Colts    
7.22  Eagles 8.22  Eagles 9.22  Eagles 10.22  Eagles 11.22  Eagles    
7.23  Cardinals 8.23  Cardinals 9.23  Cardinals 10.23  Cardinals 11.23  Cardinals    
7.24  Jets 8.24  Broncos 9.24  Jets 10.24  Jets 11.24  Browns    
                       
                       
2010 Traded Draft Picks:                  
                       
Picks Altered Due to Draft Lottery Pick Traded Pick Traded Twice         
Pick Traded                    
Pick Traded Twice                   
                       
8-24 Ref's Colts receive Slizz's Bills 10th round pick (Hixon/Wilson and '09 pick). Pick is upgradeable based on Hixon's performance.
If Hixon gets 800 yds rec it becomes a 9th rounder; 900=8th;1000 yds = 7th; 1100 yds = 6th; 1200 = 5th.     
If Slizz has already traded that pick, he will upgrade it to the next highest pick        
8-26 PD's Browns receive GO's Jets 2nd rounder for his 1st (Addai)          
10-7 Ravens 6th for Cardinals 5th (Carpenter)              
10-10 Giants get Packers 4th (Bengals DST)              
10-22 49ers get Vikings 5th for his 1st (conditional on making the play-offs or it drops to a 2nd.) (Davis/Ochocinco)  
10-25 Jets 8th for Broncos 5th (fitzpatrick)                
10-28 Chargers get Cowbiys 5th for 7th (Cundiff)              
10-31 Colts get Bills 5th for their 8th (Nedney)              
11-4 Lions get Texans 5th for their 8th (Bironas)              
11-12 Bengals get Texans 6th for their 8th (J. Russell)            
11-19 Bills get PD's Browns 2010 1st round pick (acquired by Jets via trade 8-26) and Jets get Slizz's Bills 2010 11th pick.
11-25 Browns get Colts' 4th for his 10th (Addai/Ware)            
12-3 49ers get Packers 2nd (3rd if a non-playoff team) for his 5th (8 player)          
12-3 Vikings receive 49ers' 1st for his 4th (Maroney/Ringer)            
8-9 Lions receive Bills' 3rd round pick for Lions' last round pick            
8-18 Cardinals get Jets 1st for their 4th Round Pick (Keller)            
8-18 Jets get picks 4.10 & 5.10 from Baltimore for picks 4.23 & 6.24 (Washington)        
8-19 Jets get pick 9.01 from Browns for Pick 14.24 (Dixon) adjusted to pick 11.24        
8-23 Vikings get Chiefs' 2.08 ( 2011 1st, WIllis/Palmer)            
8-23 Packers get Carolina's 6.2 for their 8.16 (Bengals DST)            
8-24 Packers get Vikings 4.15 for their 6th roudner (McGahee) note: changed to 3.15        
8-24 Raiders trade 1.12, 2.12, 6.12 for Denver 1.08, 2.07, 3.07 (VJackson)          
8-24 Raiders trade: 4.12 + 5.12 to Browns for 2.24 + 4.21 (Delhomme + '11 pick)        
                       
Link to teams and owners                  
                       
124StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:07
The table above is what I have for the draft order accounting for all the traded draft picks.

PLEASE review asap and let me know if anyone sees any errors or omissions as this will be used during the draft.
125skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:36
The McGahee trade did not include a return pick. I was short one due to previous trades so now should have 11 picks again.
126Frick
      ID: 97321912
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:48
Concur, I already have more picks than I need. I have 12 picks atm. It is possible that will swap some picks, but don't the rules state that a pick will be automatically skipped if a team has a full roster?
127StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:52
I'll make the change pending a confirmation from Frick. Thanks.
128StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:59
I made the change and changed it in the rules as well.

Once you have made your 11 picks your draft is over. You can trade extra picks before your draft is over and before that pick comes up. So if you found someone a pick short you could trade 2 picks for an upgrade in one of your picks.
129Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 11:03
That's why I sent that email out!

On the McGahee trade it has 6 in there and ersponse said 4th. Maybe it was a 6th and then changed to a 4th (and ultimately a 3rd). If that's the case, there is no problem amending that.

Yes there are teams who intentionally go into the draft with more draft picks than needed in hopes of trading for higher picks.
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      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 11:14
Do not start drafting until the Draft Order Chart is posted in the Draft thread please!

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We will now move all discussion to the draft discussion thread.
131 slizz-blackberry
      ID: 32745617
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 11:01
I currently own the 2nd pick in the 2nd round.

I am looking to move down.

Please email if you're interested.
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