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Subject: RIFC 2010: Getting started
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 13:47
I am pleased to announce the 14 managers for the 2010 RIFC:
IAC
Bonka
Fugazi
letterj
Youngroman
Smith32
Electro
Building 7
twilson
Frick
Slizz
Promize
Motley Crue
Guru
This list includes the top-6 seeds from last year's RIFC, 3 teams from each AAA league, the (playoff) winner of the AA league, and me. For each AAA league, I selected the playoff winner plus the top two seeds for the playoffs. In the instance that the playoff winner was one of the top two seeds, then the third seed was selected.
Although it is still early, there are several things that we can start on:
1. Sign-ups for qualifying leagues. I will start a separate thread for this.
2. Discussion of possible rules changes. (We can use this thread for that.)
3. Discussion of any other issues that should be resolved before the start of the draft – including selection of drafting site.
I plan to have the RIFC and all qualifying leagues hosted at myfantasyleague.com this year. The RIFC and one AAA league used that site last year, and the experience was excellent. This opens the possibility to use the draft software at the mfl site, which offers some queueing capabilities that are not (yet) present at kafenatid.net. I have spoken to Fred at kafenatid, and while he plans to implement a host of enhancements to his "On The Clock" site, those will not be ready until next baseball season. I would welcome feedback from others who have experience using the mfl site for drafting.
Last year, the RIFC draft began on August 20, and was completed in less than 2 weeks. I expect the timing this year will be similar.
For some preliminary discussion on possible rules changes, see the 2009 RIFC Recap thread |
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| 165 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 16:52
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Well just for reference then, it's under Draft Order Setup - All Rounds, then select one of the 'the first round is randomly selected then...' options and make sure the option to send the email is checked yes.
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| 166 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 18:48
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Thanks - I see it now.
That probably is easier.
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| 167 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 11:24
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The next step is to select our draft order.
Here is my plan.
I'll use MFL to select a random ordering of the 14 managers. This will happen shortly. You should each receive an email from MFL that will say that this is the draft order, but that's not quite true - it will only be the order for the draft position selection round.
We will start that selection process next Monday. This gives everyone a few days to think about it, given their selection sequence. We'll use this thread for that process. Remember that our draft is using the Banzai style.
After we complete our draft selection round, I"ll recode the draft order in MFL to conform to our selections.
I'm still planning to begin the draft on August 20. When we used kafenatid, RIFC drafts typically consume about 2 weeks. Some have suggested that an MFL draft will go faster - we'll have to see if that is true - but there is no reason to expect it to go more slowly, other than our unfamiliarity - which should work itself out after a few rounds. I'll rely on Bonka to provide some helpful hints as we get near the draft date.
Sound like a plan? This timing would complete the draft almost a week in advance of the opening game.
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| 168 | Frick
ID: 4773157
Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 11:32
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Just want to clarify. Only the 3rd round is flipped, so spot 14 will pick last in round 1, and then pick first in rounds 2 and 3, last in round 4. From that point last in the odd number rounds and first in the even number rounds.
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| 169 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 11:56
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Not quite.
Only the 3rd round is flipped, so spot 14 will pick last in round 1, and then pick first in rounds 2 and 3 and 4. From that point last in the odd number rounds and first in the even number rounds.
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| 170 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 12:10
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1. 29-42
2. 30-41
3. 31-40
4. 32-39
5. 33-38
6. 34-37
7. 35-36
8. 36-35
9. 37-34
10. 38-33
11. 39-32
12. 40-31
13. 41-30
14. 42-29
Here are the changes in draft picks for a Bonzai draft. The first column is your draft slot. The next number is your 3rd round pick in a regular snake draft. And the last number is your 3rd round pick in a Bonzai draft. All other picks remain the same. Draft slots 7 & 8 have hardly no change. Thus, the first draft slot will have the 42nd pick in the Bonzai draft vs. the 29th pick in a snake draft.
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| 171 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 14:04
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By the way, if you are using a yahoo email for MFL, I suggest creating an account elsewhere (like gmail) and using that instead. Recently Yahoo has been delaying MFL emails for quite a while. I'm pretty sure they contacted Yahoo to try to get something worked out but nothing has been fixed yet.
Easiest thing to do is make a gmail account and just have it forward emails to your Yahoo account. If you do nothing, you'll be receiving emails anywhere from a couple hours to a day or two late.
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| 172 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 14:06
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Also, if the draft order was generated, could you let me know here? I forgot to change my email for the RIFC league until just now so I won't receive an email until who knows when if it was.
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| 173 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 14:30
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I just generalted the draft order. Here is a copy of the email that was sent out:Your league commissioner has generated the draft order for your league - you can view the entire order on your Reports > League > Draft page.
Round 1 Draft Order:
1. Building 7
2. Guru
3. Bonka
4. Slizz
5. Electro Eagles
6. Promize
7. Fugazi
8. Frick
9. Smith32
10. youngroman's Luschen
11. twilson's Milchian Magicians
12. Mötley Crüe
13. Short Bus - letterj
14. IAC
This draft order was randomly generated by the MyFantasyLeague.com site, ensuring no commissioner bias when determining your draft order.
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| 174 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 14:31
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Remember, the order in post 173 is the order that we will use next week when selecting our draft position. Building 7 will get the first choice. IAC will be stuck with whatever is left over.
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| 175 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 14:48
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I want to change my vote to the snake draft. lq
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| 176 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 17:27
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Drafting on MFL is pretty simple. Just go to For Owners - Draft. From there you can set a queue for any round you want, or make your selection if you're currently up. Just add players from the lists then move them up and down if needed. Make sure you save your queue before changing between ADP and Alpha lists, as it will reset any work you've done. Near the bottom of the page you can select other rounds (or individual picks if you've made trades) to bring up and can set your queue for them.
As soon as it's your turn to pick, if you have anyone left in queue for that round, the system will automatically take your top player from the queue. It also won't pull from queues for other rounds. So if your 1st round queue runs out but there's players from the 2nd round queue, it will sit on your first round pick until you make a selection yourself.
That's all there really is to it, assuming the draft room isn't enabled, which I suggest it's not since emails aren't sent out when picks are made from there. I really hope people make good use of queues. They'll speed things up since ~2 weeks for a 24x14 draft is rather slow. I completed a 40x14 draft earlier this year in 10 days.
If you have questions just leave them here and I'll see if I can answer them. But like I said, it's pretty simple and there shouldn't be any problems.
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| 177 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 10:07
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Just did some more analysis of the impact of including all stats for all players.
Using last year's stats, looking at the top 200 point producers:
1. Joe Cribbs gets the biggest boost, +8.5 points. His largest weekly gain was 2 points (2 tackles), week 10.
2. Only 40 players would have gained more than 2 points total over the course of the season.
3. Another 63 players would have gained 1-2 points.
Most of the point pickups are for tackles. Beyond those, here are a few of the more interesting plays:
- Randy Moss had an interception on a "Hail Mary" pass at the end of the first half in game 5.
- Kevin Smith got credit for a safety in week 8. Detroit threw an interception into the end zone. Instead of downing the ball, the defender ran it out of the end zone, and then Kevin Smith chased him back into the end zone and tackled him.
- Robert Meachem (week 13) - Brees threw an interception against the Redskins. On the interception return, Meachem stripped the ball from the returner and ran it in for a TD. He was credited with a forced fumble and a fumble recovery on the play.
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| 178 | Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 12:42
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Interesting stuff. Thanks Guru!
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| 179 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 10:52
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For those who may have access issues at work (either for this site or for mfl), I have developed a routine that will access the draft in progress, going through an alternate domain:
List view: http://66.221.169.118/cgi-bin/mfldraft.pl?league=20248
Grid view: http://66.221.169.118/cgi-bin/mfldraftgrid.pl?league=20248
Note that this will also allow you to keep tabs on other RIFC drafts as well.
Note also that this is strictly a viewing mechanism. I will not allow you to actually enter a draft pick, or set up a queue. For that, you will still need to log directly into the mfl site - or else email the commish to do it.
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| 180 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 13:05
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WOW -- that is SWEET
Thanks Guru!
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| 181 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 22:22
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awesome guru...just awesome! hopefully it works at my office b/c they block rotoguru there as well...crappy BNY Mellon. lol
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| 182 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 22:35
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BTW, if those URLs in post 179 are blocked for anyone, there are several other possible domains I could place them in. Just let me know.
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| 183 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 10:18
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[173] OK - lets start picking our draft sequence. Building seven gets the first selection. Please post here, and if you can, notify the next picker by email. Manager email addresses are listed at the mfl site. From the very top menu bar, select:
Reports =>Franchise => Franchise information
There is no time limit for this selection round - within reason. (I'll be the arbiter of "reason")
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| 184 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 10:29
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1. Building 7
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
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| 185 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 10:55
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1. Building 7
2. Guru
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
Mostly because I never had an elite RB before.
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| 186 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 12:54
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1. Building 7
2. Guru
3. Bonka
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
Had a few slots I was looking at, and you guys didn't take any of them to help me decide.
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| 187 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 13:27
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Slizz picked slot 4 via email since he can't get on the site from work.
1. Building 7
2. Guru
3. Bonka
4. Slizz
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
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| 188 | Frick
ID: 44748912
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 13:48
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Nice to see the Banzai draft is working as intended.
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| 189 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 13:57
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Electro emailed me as well.
1. Building 7
2. Guru
3. Bonka
4. Slizz
5.
6.
7. Electro Eagles
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
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| 190 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 13:59
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The Banzai draft is supposed to make every pick about equal, so I don't see what your point is. People are going to take a slot where they can grab the player(s) they want.
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| 191 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 14:18
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I'm not complaining... that's for sure. ;)
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| 192 | Frick
ID: 44748912
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 14:46
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Just pointing out that while there was some debate about how valuable or not the top selections were, the top 4 slots were still the first ones taken. I'm glad we moved to Banzai approach as it does appear to help smooth out the value of draft slots.
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| 193 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 14:55
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I contemplated taking lower picks, including 14, but I decided I'd rather take one of the top backs and deal with picking late the next 3 rounds than wondering what I'm going to end up with using my first 2 picks since the end of round 1 isn't very predictable.
But yes, hopefully this new draft order does even things out so nobody is 'stuck' with a draft slot, even though you may not love your 1st round selection.
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| 194 | slizz-blackberry
ID: 32745617
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 15:10
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Getting an elite back outweighs anything else.
after #5 there is a dropoff in guaranteed quality at running back
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| 195 | Electroman
ID: 565182111
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 15:30
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So in other words, you're saying I'm an idiot;)
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| 196 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 15:42
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I actually like 7 for the most part, so we can be idiots together :D
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| 197 | Promize@Missouri
ID: 21723105
Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 06:23
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Sorry gang, still on vacation till next week..
1. Building 7
2. Guru
3. Bonka
4. Slizz
5. Promize
6.
7. Electro Eagles
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
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| 198 | Fugazi
ID: 20202323
Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 15:32
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1. Building 7
2. Guru
3. Bonka
4. Slizz
5. Promize
6.
7. Electro Eagles
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14. Fugazi
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| 199 | Frick
ID: 1076109
Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 16:46
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1. Building 7
2. Guru
3. Bonka
4. Slizz
5. Promize
6.
7. Electro Eagles
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13. Frick
14. Fugazi
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| 200 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 16:49
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1. Building 7
2. Guru
3. Bonka
4. Slizz
5. Promize
6.
7. Electro Eagles
8.
9.
10.
11.
12. Smith32
13. Frick
14. Fugazi
(from emailed instructions)
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| 202 | youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 16:54
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1. Building 7
2. Guru
3. Bonka
4. Slizz
5. Promize
6.
7. Electro Eagles
8.
9.
10.
11. youngroman
12. Smith32
13. Frick
14. Fugazi
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| 203 | twilson
ID: 221142214
Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 17:55
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1. Building 7
2. Guru
3. Bonka
4. Slizz
5. Promize
6.
7. Electro Eagles
8.
9.
10. twilson
11. youngroman
12. Smith32
13. Frick
14. Fugazi
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| 204 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 19:45
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OK, so I guess I'll go with the 9th slot in round 1.
1. Building 7
2. Guru
3. Bonka
4. Slizz
5. Promize
6.
7. Electro Eagles
8.
9. Mötley Crüe
10. twilson
11. youngroman
12. Smith32
13. Frick
14. Fugazi
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| 205 | slizz-blackberry
ID: 32745617
Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 21:57
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Electro. No. Not in the very least. You get aBetter secondary player and I didn't want to take that chance on the mendenhalls of the world. I actually have mendenhall above everyone else but his risk is much much higher than a ray rice or Jones drew.
Either way. I'm interested to see how this banzai draft turns out
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| 206 | Letter_J
ID: 21740118
Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 09:41
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I'll take the 6th slot...
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| 207 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 10:59
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Final Draft order
1. Building 7
2. Guru
3. Bonka
4. Slizz
5. Promize
6. Letter_J
7. Electro Eagles
8. IAC
9. Mötley Crüe
10. twilson
11. youngroman
12. Smith32
13. Frick
14. Fugazi
I'll enter this in MFL shortly.
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| 208 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 14:12
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[58] item 1:
It looks like MFL associated the extra point with the TD for assigning defensive points allowed, so the formula change probably has no meaning. It must have been Fantrax that scored the XP against defense, regardless of the TD.
In any event, I'll leave the scoring formula change in, just to be safe. But if MFL's scoring approach is used, then there is no way to have a total of just 1 or 2 points charged against a defense.
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| 209 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 14:57
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FYI The order of draft spots picked for AAA#2 went this way:
6-10-14-2-3-13-8-7-1-9-12-4-11-5
I have NO IDEA what that means, but I find it really odd that 4 and 5 went so late!!
Certainly not what we would have seen last season...
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| 210 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 22:19
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AAA #1 draft picks fell out as follows:
3, 14, 1, 13, 2, 4, 8, 9, 7, 12, 10, 6, 11, 5
So here's when each draft slot was picked (RIFC - AAA1 - AAA2 - Average):
1: 1 - 3 - 9 - 4.3
2: 2 - 5 - 4 - 3.7
3: 3 - 1 - 5 - 3.0
4: 4 - 6 - 12 - 7.3
5: 6 - 14 - 14 - 11.3
6: 13 - 12 - 1 - 8.7
7: 5 - 9 - 8 - 7.3
8: 14 - 7 - 7 - 9.3
9: 12 - 8 - 10 - 10.0
10: 11 - 11 - 2 - 8.0
11: 10 - 13 - 13 - 12.0
12: 9 - 10 - 11 - 11.0
13: 8 - 4 - 6 - 6.0
14: 7 - 2 - 3 - 4.0
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| 211 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 15:38
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Just looking at the mechanics of the draft. Bonka posted some instructions back in [176], but I'm going to elaborate a bit - as there are some key differences vs. Kafenatid's approach.
1. "My Draft List" - Under the "For Owners" menu (at the top), there is an item called My Draft List. You can think of this as your personal pre-ranking of players if you wish, although it has one important operational impact. If your 6-hour clock expires, then your pick will be automatically selected as the top name on your "My Draft List". Only if that list is empty will your pick be skipped. (More on this in a moment.)
2. "Pre-Draft Pick" list - These are the equivalent of the kafenatid "queue", with several important distinctions:- There is a separate list/queue for each round, and they do not carry over,
- If there is a name in your queue, that player will be immediately selected when it is your turn to draft. The only way to turn off a round-specific queue is to empty it.
Therefore, it is important to keep your queues empty unless you are sure that they should be used. If you expect to want to load & unload your queue frequently (similar to turning it on or off), then you should probably keep a list of players in "My Draft list", as you can quickly pull up that short list to add players to any queue.
Of course, if you have players in "My Draft List", then you are also subject to having those players selected if you should time-out. Typically, that shouldn't be a problem, as timing-out should be a rare occurrence.
If you want to keep players loaded in "My Draft List" and you don't want the top name selected automatically upon timeout, then I suggest putting a "placeholder" player at the top of your list. For example, Chris Henry (WR - Cin) seems to be available in MFL, even though he is dead. There are undoubtedly other player names that we can come up with for additional placeholder options. If you time-out and a placeholder player is automatically selected for you, then you can have the commish replace that player with a real pick when you are available.
I'll probably start the draft untimed for at least the first round, just to ensure everyone has had a chance to familiarize themselves with the setup.
Bonka - Does this all sound accurate to you? Are there other approaches that could be used to effectively turn a queue off/on?
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| 212 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 16:05
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Everything you posted looks right. I've never actually used the My Draft List before, so I don't really have anything to add on it. Regarding the turning on and off of a queue, there's no way to do it outside of emptying the queue, unless you set the draft as live and let people mark themselves as away in the live draft room. This then automatically drafts from their My Draft List and then ADP list if the first runs out (I think?) until they unmark themselves as away.
The only problem with this is if you mark yourself away and never turn it off, the system will just keep picking each time you're up based on ADP, assuming your My Draft List ran out. This is meant for live drafts mostly, since it's only available when you have the live draft enabled.
People just setting queues for each round works fine and is what they should do.
Checking out the draft options and seeing that it's set to pick from your My Draft List if you time out on a pick is actually interesting as I didn't realize this before. This should let people set an 'emergency queue' if they decide they'd like to try checking in and make the pick manually but aren't 100% sure they'll make it in time.
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| 213 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 12:09
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Note that if you are setting queues for your next two picks, you'll need to set up two separate round-based queues. This applies even if your pick is on the turn and you get two consecutive picks.
For example, assume that Building 7 needs to set a queue for his 4.14 and 5.01 picks, which are consecutive. He'll need to set a 4th round queue for the first pick, and a 5th round queue for his second pick.
Question: (for Bonka or anyone else who might know.) What happens if you have two picks in a given round, due to a trade? For example, suppose I have pick 5.02 and also 5.12. If I set a queue for my 5th round, will it still be used when pick 5.12 is due? Will I have an opportunity to set two separate queues? How will that work?
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| 214 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 14:50
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In the drop down list near the bottom where you select the other rounds to set a queue you'll see something like 5.12. It won't use your 5th round queue for it. Easiest way to check what picks you have queued up is to go to the draft report and it marks every single pick someone has pre-drafted as well.
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| 215 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 13:52
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Now that we are approaching the draft, all league discussion should move to the draft discussion thread.
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