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Subject: RIFC 2011: Getting started
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Mon, Jul 25, 2011, 11:19
I am pleased to announce the 14 invited managers for the 2011 RIFC:
Motley Crue (declined)
Slizz
Bonka
youngroman
letterj
IAC
Electroman (filling slot vacated by MC)
Judy
russeldl
TD
Beezer
Swinganamiss
Tree
ywk
Guru
This list includes the top-6 seeds from last year's RIFC, 3 teams from each AAA league, the (playoff) winner of the AA league, and me. For each AAA league, I selected the playoff winner plus the top two seeds for the playoffs. In the instance that the playoff winner was one of the top two seeds, then the third seed was selected. Electroman – who was the #7 seed in the RIFC and also had the 2nd highest point total - was offered and accepted Motley Crue’s slot.
I have not yet heard from ywk, who won the AA league. Slizz has tentatively accepted, although he has a potential conflict that may prompt a need to pull out He will let me know for sure by August 1st. If either of these two managers do not play this year, I will invite an appropriate replacement.
Although it is still early, there are several things that we need to start on:
1. Sign-ups for qualifying leagues. I will start a separate thread for this.
2. Discussion of possible rules changes. (We can use this thread for that.)
3. Discussion of any other issues that should be resolved before the start of the draft – including selection of drafting site.
Once again, I plan to have the RIFC and all qualifying leagues hosted at myfantasyleague.com. RotoGuru will pay the cost of these leagues.
Last year, we also used the draft software at the mfl site. Although the Draftime site (formerly kafenatid.net’s “On The Clock”) added many useful enhancements last winter, the mfl software has the advantage of being integrated with the hosting site, which seems like a powerful benefit. I’d like to hear from RIFC managers as to their draft site preference.
Last year, the RIFC draft began on August 19 and was completed in 11 days. I believe we can wait until approx. August 24 to start this year’s draft. The first game of the NFL regular season is on September 8.
For some preliminary discussion on possible rules changes, see the RIFC 2010: Recap thread.
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| 170 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 14:59
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Voting is now complete.
For IDP scoring (question 4), option C had the most votes, but only 6 (less than a majority). Choice A had 5 votes (no change), and D had 3 votes. When considering second choices, choice C again led the way with 9 votes. So the winner is option C.
The HTH tiebreaker is still in place, as that vote was 7-7. In the event of a tie, I have always ruled that current rule is not overturned.
The playoff seeding vote is tricky to interpret. The choices were:
(A) Seed top 4 by W/L, 5-8 by points
(B) Seed top 4 by W/L, & let them pick 1st round opponent from among 5-8
(C) Status quo: seed 1-6 by W/L, 7-8 by points
The vote was A-5, B-4, C-5. Nine managers voted for a change, but were divided on what the change should be.
When I counted votes for first and second choices, the results were A-9, B-8, C-7. On that basis, I'm going with choice A, although four people did not cast a second choice vote (letter_j, ywk, Electroman, and Fugazi). It is possible that, if they had picked a second choice, the result would be different.
Finally, the vote regarding the need for a complete lineup was 6-yes, 7-no, and one abstention. Rather than trying to figure out how (or whether) to count the abstention, I decided to change my vote to allow a vacancy, making 8 votes in favor of allowing a partial lineup. We'll see how that plays out this year, and possibly revisit next year. But for this year, you may set a lineup with a vacant slot.
I'll now amend the rules narrative and repost. Once that's done, I'll also make the updates to the hosting site for this league, and for the QLs as well.
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| 171 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 15:28
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Rules for 2011, as amended by league vote. Changes from 2010 are shown in italics.
I also added a section on position eligibility. This is not a change in rules, but merely defines our traditional league practice - and was inadvertently omitted from prior rule listings.
Draft
“Banzai” format: Same as a traditional snake, except the third round is reversed. Thus, the team with the first overall pick has the last pick in rounds 2, 3, and 4.
Roster
1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 WR/TE
1 TE
1 K
1 Team def <=eliminated for 2011
2 DL
2 LB
2 DB
1 additional IDP (flex)
9 bench
24 Total
Decimal scoring is applied for all categories.
Offense Category Points
(apply to all players, including IDP)
Passing TD 4
Other TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Passing-2pt conv 1
Other-2pt conv 2
Passing yard 1/25 (i.e., .04 per yard)
Rushing yard 1/10 (i.e., .10 per yard)
Receiving yard 1/10
Punt return yard 1/10 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return yard 1/25 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return 0 (no deduction)
Int, fumbles lost -2
Kicking Points
(apply to all players, including IDP)
Extra point made 1
Extra point missed -1
FG under 40 yards 3
FG 40-49 yards 4
FG 50+ yards 5
Missed FG <30 -1
Missed FG 30+ 0
Indiv Defensive Player Points
(apply to all players, including offensive players and kickers)
Solo Tackle 1
Asst Tackle 0.5
Tackle for loss 2
QB hit 1
Pass defensed 1
Sack 1 (half sack=0.5)
Interception 3
Fumble forced 2
Fumble recovery 2
TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Safety 3
Blocked kick (FG, XP, punt) 2
Unlisted players
During the draft, any player may be drafted, regardless of whether or not the player is listed at the hosting game site. Once the draft is completed, unlisted players may not be added to any roster. This applies for any post-draft waiver processing as well.
In the event that a drafted player is not listed after the draft has completed, a placeholder player will be assigned to the drafting team, to be replaced by the drafted player as soon as he is available.
Position eligibility
Except as defined below, a player's position eligibility will be that assigned by the league hosting site.
If a player is listed at one position when drafted and that position is subsequently changed by the hosting site, the manager drafting that player may elect to retain the original position. In this event, that player will keep the drafted position eligibility until he is dropped or traded, at which time the eligibility will revert to the hosting system's default position.
Priority Claiming
All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at noon on Wednesday. Following each of the first 6 weeks of the season, the priorities will reset weekly based on the reverse of W/L percentage (with applicable tiebreakers). After that, priorities will not be reset during the regular season. Throughout the season, when a player is claimed, the claiming team moves to the end of the claiming priority list. Following the final regular season game, priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded.
Starting at 3:00pm on each Wednesday, all free agents may be picked up by any team "first come, first served" without any change in priority status. Dropped players will be subject to a one day waiver period, subject to processing rules administered at the hosting site. Managers may not “cycle” though a series of free agents solely for the purpose of blocking them from availability. In such instances, the Commissioner will take appropriate corrective action.
Immediately following the draft, undrafted players will be subject to a priority claiming process, with priorities equal to the reverse of the first round draft order.
Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player.
Schedule
13 week round robin
Doubleheaders all weeks 1-13 (play each team twice)
Single elimination playoffs, weeks 14-16
Trades and trade deadline
During the draft, trades may include draft picks. Trades will normally be approved immediately by the Commissioner, assuming they are reasonably balanced. If league managers believe an announced trade is unbalanced, they should protest the trade ASAP.
After the draft, trades will be subject to a review period. For the first 24 hours following a trade, managers may protest a trade by posting a message at the RotoGuru forum, or by sending an email to the Commissioner. If at least 3 managers protest a trade within 24 hours of its announcement, then all managers will be polled within the next 24 hours. If seven or more managers vote to veto a trade, then it will not be approved. If a proposed trade is announced less than 24 hours before the earliest freeze for any player involved, then the entire trade will not be processed until the following week.
If a trade does not receive at least 3 protests, then it will be effective 24 hours after it is announced. If a trade receives at least 3 protests but the protests are not upheld in a full league vote, then the trade will be processed 48 hours after it is announced.
The trade deadline is the weekend following the final week with byes.
Stat corrections
Official stat corrections will be automatically applied. This typically happens on Thursday morning. In the playoffs, this can lead to an issue if a team is suddenly “back in the game”, but that team was unable to make roster moves the prior day. If a stat correction changes a playoff matchup at the last minute, then any impacted team will be given the opportunity to make a last minute roster move, if needed. The Commissioner will attempt to ensure that this provision is enabled as fairly as possible under the circumstances.
During the playoffs, once the first game of the week has started, no stat corrections will be allowed thereafter.
Playoffs
8 teams, single elimination
The 8 teams will be those with the top 6 W/L records plus the two other teams with the most points
The top four seeds will be based on W/L record (including applicable tiebreakers)
Seeds 5-8 will be based on total points for the other four playoff teams
Teams with equivalent W/L records are ranked based on head-to-head first (regardless of the number of teams tied), then total points.
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)
Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) and team defenses may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later.
Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable.
If a playoff game ends in a tie score, the team with the better seed shall advance.
Teams which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.
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| 172 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 15:29
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Hope I got those stated correctly! Let me know if I blew it.
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| 173 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 15:56
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Looks pretty good. Will be very curious to see how the IDP works out w/o a DST. I always liked finding good IDP's and now they will be even more valuable, but the 2-2-2 format will be somewhat restrictive. We shall see how it develops!!
Any chance for enhanced Consolations (esp the Plate Conso for 5 thru 8th places for first round main draw losers) -- so we losers can stay "active" for a few more weeks? You get to stay active and brag (maybe) about "what if"....
please??
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| 174 | Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 20:05
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The bit about team defenses not being added in the playoffs should probably be removed.
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| 175 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 22:37
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Guru,
What were all those weird posts on the leagues threads august 2 and 3? Was that the spam you were referring to?
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| 176 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 13, 2011, 09:48
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Yep, that was some of it.
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| 177 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 13, 2011, 14:32
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I coded up the roster, scoring, and waivers setup for the league.
Please review and let me know if anything looks incorrect.
Once I'm certain that these setting are correct, I'll copy them over the the QLs.
General setup - although I don;t see it mentioned on this summary page, I have set up a maximum limit of 7 IDP starters.
RIFC scoring formulas - even though all formulas apply to all players, I've segregated the offensive formulas from the defensive formulas just for visual clarity
League calendar
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| 178 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Sun, Aug 14, 2011, 21:19
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Does anyone know if you can use the MFL app for iphone that you pay for for the draft?
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| 179 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 09:11
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MFL iPhone app description doesn't mention anything about the draft... I'm guessing if you just setup you profile on MFL to notify you when it's your pick, then just use a regular web-browser to make the pick? Sounds logical to me... the short answer would have been: I have no idea. ;)
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| 180 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 10:16
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Now that we have settled on rules changes and those have been coded into the system, it's time to begin the draft selection round.
I will have the MFL system generate a random order, which we will use only for the draft selection round. When it is your turn to select, post your choice of draft position in this thread. Hopefully, we will not need a clock for this round, although if we really get stuck, I may skip the laggard and move on.
Remember that we will use a "Banzai" draft order, which means that the third round is reversed from a normal serpentine order. If you take the first draft pick in round one, you will pick last in each of rounds 2-4. Starting with round 5, the draft will then continue as a regular serpentine (snake) draft.
I'm still planning to start the actual draft on August 24th.
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| 181 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 10:27
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Well, that went well... I guess.
Here is the selection order for the draft selection round:
1. Guru
2. youngroman's Luschen
3. TD
4. Taiwan OneTail
5. russeldl
6. Electro Eagles
7. GHOSTWOOD (Judy)
8. Bonka
9. IAC
10. SwinganaMiss
11. Fugazi
12. Slaughterers (Tree)
13. Short Bus (letter j)
14. Crazy 88s (The Beezer)
I have the first choice - which I wasn't really expecting. I'll decide by this afternoon.
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| 182 | Promize
ID: 37531510
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 11:56
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Being a commish in a couple leagues.... it always fills odd when the system picks your name as the first pick / choice.
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| 183 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 12:25
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Well, I guess 8th isn't too bad. Not as lucky as last year.
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| 184 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 12:43
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I looked back at least year's draft results. Here is the draft order for the teams that finished seeded 1-6 at the end of the season (along with their 1st & 2nd round draft picks):
1. Slizz (seeded #1) - picked 4th, Ray Rice-Tom Brady
2. Bonka - picked 3rd, Adrian Peterson-Greg Jennings
3. Youngroman - picked 11th, Randy Moss-Ryan Mathews
(wow - nice recovery to finish third after those two picks!)
4. Letter J - picked 6th, Frank Gore-Brandon Marshall
5. IAC - picked 8th, Steven Jackson-Miles Austin
6. Motley Crue (playoff winner) - picked 9th, Michael Turner-Calvin Johnson
Interesting that those picks all seem to be bunched in the middle of the round. However, the real point is that team success is obviously more important than those first several picks.
Here is last year's complete draft
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| 185 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 14:39
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Let's get this started. I'll pick 6th.
1
2
3
4
5
6 Guru
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
Youngroman is up
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| 186 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 14:41
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Btw, as a courtesy, please email the next person after you have made your selection. Emails can be found at the mfl site.
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| 187 | youngroman
ID: 56523304
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 15:33
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would have liked to pick more to the end, but 7 should do it this year.
1
2
3
4
5
6 Guru
7 youngroman
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
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| 188 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 17:07
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... it's not as though picks near the end weren't still available...
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| 189 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 17:17
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I'll take 14 and we can swap 1st round picks. That should take care of it.
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| 190 | TD
Leader
ID: 036331011
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 21:08
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1
2
3
4
5
6 Guru
7 youngroman
8
9
10
11
12
13
14 TD
Taiwan OneTail is up
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| 191 | ywk
ID: 053583
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 22:15
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1
2
3 ywk
4
5
6 Guru
7 youngroman
8
9
10
11
12
13
14 TD
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| 192 | russelldl
ID: 16544922
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 23:13
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1
2
3 ywk
4
5
6 Guru
7 youngroman
8
9 russelldl
10
11
12
13
14 TD
I'll email electro
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| 193 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 23:14
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I'll be checking in Tues around 10 am to see if EE has picked his slot.
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| 194 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 07:44
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1 Electroman
2
3 ywk
4
5
6 Guru
7 youngroman
8
9 russelldl
10
11
12
13
14 TD
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| 195 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 10:52
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1 Electroman
2
3 ywk
4
5
6 Guru
7 youngroman
8 Judy/Ghostwood
9 russelldl
10
11
12
13
14 TD
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| 196 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 12:58
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I'll try something different this year, having a stud RB for once worked so well last year, could be shooting myself in the foot.
1 Electroman
2
3 ywk
4
5
6 Guru
7 youngroman
8 Judy/Ghostwood
9 russelldl
10
11
12
13 Bonka
14 TD
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| 197 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 13:01
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1 Electroman
2
3 ywk
4
5
6 Guru
7 youngroman
8 Judy/Ghostwood
9 russelldl
10
11
12 IAC
13 Bonka
14 TD
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| 198 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 13:03
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Why do you have to pick next to me IAC? I have a bad feeling about this. I'm sure Guru is glad I'm nowhere near him after last year.
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| 199 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 13:08
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I was going to grab the 10 just to try to grab value through the middle of the rounds; but... I'm interested in the "Banzai effect".
Seeing your name made me ALMOST reconsider, but, I can't pick my position on the thought that we'll draft similarly. Hey who knows... maybe we'll create a few "runs on positions". ;)
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| 200 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 13:10
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[198] :-)
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| 201 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 13:11
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I'm surprised the early picks didn't go already, honestly. They're still valuable in this draft format. Grabbing that stud RB early can be huge in this scoring setup.
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| 202 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 13:17
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Yeah, but I got Foster in Round 5 of AAA last year. Where is this year's sleeper/stud RB to be found?????
I won from 9 last year -- I like the middle as I can't stand waiting so long and seeing my Q picked clean between picks!!
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| 203 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 13:59
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FYI - I did email SwinganaMiss immediately after making my pick; in case anyone was wondering.
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| 204 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 07561618
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 19:56
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I'll pick here in a bit. Gotta look at a couple of things first.
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| 205 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 771116
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 21:06
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1 Electroman
2 SwinganaMiss
3 ywk
4
5
6 Guru
7 youngroman
8 Judy/Ghostwood
9 russelldl
10
11
12 IAC
13 Bonka
14 TD
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| 206 | holt for fugazi
ID: 40711121
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 22:22
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1 Electroman
2 SwinganaMiss
3 ywk
4 fugazi
5
6 Guru
7 youngroman
8 Judy/Ghostwood
9 russelldl
10
11
12 IAC
13 Bonka
14 TD
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| 207 | Tree
ID: 41512710
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 02:11
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1 Electroman
2 SwinganaMiss
3 ywk
4 fugazi
5
6 Guru
7 youngroman
8 Judy/Ghostwood
9 russelldl
10 Tree
11
12 IAC
13 Bonka
14 TD
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| 208 | Letter_J
ID: 9735915
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 07:41
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1 Electroman
2 SwinganaMiss
3 ywk
4 fugazi
5
6 Guru
7 youngroman
8 Judy/Ghostwood
9 russelldl
10 Tree
11 ShortBus
12 IAC
13 Bonka
14 TD
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| 209 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 08:30
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GREAT!!! Bonka on one side, and my bro on the other; this may be my worst Draft EVER!
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| 210 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 09:35
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FYI - Final order:
1 Electroman
2 SwinganaMiss
3 ywk
4 fugazi
5 Crazy 88s (The Beezer)
6 Guru
7 youngroman
8 Judy/Ghostwood
9 russelldl
10 Tree
11 ShortBus
12 IAC
13 Bonka
14 TD
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| 211 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 10:29
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Draft order has been input into MFL, include the "banzai'd" round 3.
I plan to activate the draft clock on Wednesday morning (Sept 24). As has been the case in the past, we will have a 6 hour clock, with a clock moratorium from 1am-7am ET.
I'll set up a draft discussion thread shortly.
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| 212 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 13:55
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oops -- a Sept 24 start is a bit late...
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| 213 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 14:29
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RE 212: Never argue with the Commish! You'll end up down in AA. jk ;)
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| 214 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 15:14
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OK, let's push it up to August 24 then.
Drafting after a few weeks of the regular season would open up interesting strategies, however...
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| 215 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 15:17
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Just put in retroactive scoring and no drafting during games and we'll be set. Talk about spicing things up.
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| 216 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 16:49
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Might be fun to start a league the first week of the byes after a few games have gone bye...would be interesting to compare drafts!
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| 217 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 19:38
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Oddly enough, I was seriously considering taking the 5th draft spot if I was to pick first. Thank you banzai!
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| 218 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 20:46
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Yeah 5th slot is good this year. Not sure why nobody took it.
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| 219 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 17:17
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It's unlucky... that's why...
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