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Subject: RIFC 2013: Draft Discussion
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 17:34
The RIFC draft officially starts Sunday, August 25. The clock will be set at 4 hours but will not be active until Monday, with a moratorium from midnight-8am EDT. Please note: The clock will continue to run on weekends.
People at the endpoints of the draft have only one single time limit to make their consecutive picks. Similarly, the clock will be manually advanced to skip past anyone who already has a pick in arrears, unless other arrangements have been made in advance of that pick.
Remember that we are using a “Banzai” draft order, which differs from the traditional snake in that the order of the third round (and only that round) is reversed. The MFL system shows the correct order.
We will maintain a draft discussion thread here, but it will probably not be used extensively. If you know that you have pending time constraints, please post them in this thread. (e.g., "I'll be away until 6pm ET, so if my pick is due before then, you'll have to wait.") To the extent that you can alert everyone to potential availability issues, you can help others to plan their check-in times accordingly. That's simply good draft etiquette. I’ll also use this thread for general announcements about the draft.
Note that trades during the draft are allowed. Trades should be announced here, and may include any combination of picks and/or players.
Players who are not yet listed at myfantasyleague.com may be drafted, and if so, a placeholder player will be assigned to your roster until that player is available. Once the draft is complete, you may no longer sign (or protect) an unlisted player.
Please be sure you understand all of the scoring and roster rules for this league. The current rules will be copied into post 2 of this thread.
Rationales will be expected for each pick, but delayed by two rounds. When we near the end of round two, I will provide instructions for those.
Please refrain from mentioning undrafted players, either in this thread, or in your posted rationale.
If you wish to track the draft without directly accessing the mfl site (e.g., if that site is blocked from your access at work), the following links may be used:
List view: http://69.13.158.155/cgi-bin/mfldraft.pl?league=22327
Grid view: http://69.13.158.155/cgi-bin/mfldraftgrid.pl?league=22327
This will also allow you to keep tabs on other RIFC drafts as well. Note, however, that this is strictly a viewing mechanism. It will not allow you to actually enter a draft pick, or set up a queue. For that, you will still need to log directly into the mfl site - or else email the commish to do it.
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| 1 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 17:46
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Here are some guidelines for executing your draft picks.
(Please let me know if I have misspecified anything)
1. "My Draft List" - Under the "For Owners" menu (at the top), there is an item called My Draft List. You can think of this as your personal pre-ranking of players if you wish, although it has one important operational impact. If your 4-hour clock expires, then your pick will be automatically selected as the top name on your "My Draft List". Only if that list is empty will your pick be skipped. (More on this in a moment.)
2. "Pre-Draft Pick" list - You access this through "For owners->Draft"
These are the equivalent of the kafenatid "queue", with several important distinctions:
There is a separate list/queue for each round, and they do not carry over, and
If there is a name in your queue, that player will be immediately selected when it is your turn to draft. The only way to turn off a round-specific queue is to empty it. Therefore, it is important to keep your queues empty unless you are sure that they should be used. If you expect to want to load & unload your queue frequently (similar to turning it on or off), then you should probably keep a list of players in "My Draft list", as you can quickly pull up that short list to add players to any queue.
Of course, if you have players in "My Draft List", then you are also subject to having those players selected if you should time-out. Typically, that shouldnt be a problem, as timing-out should be a rare occurrence.
If you want to keep players loaded in "My Draft List" and you dont want to risk the top name being selected automatically upon timeout, then I suggest putting a "placeholder" player at the top of your list - preferably someone who is retired, or injured, or clearly not a viable pick. We can come up with specific placeholder options, if needed. If you time-out and a placeholder player is automatically selected for you, then you can have the commish replace that player with a real pick when you are available.
Note that because queued picks are automatically processed, there is no role tantamount to a designated picker. As commissioner, I can enter a pick on anyone’s behalf. Other than that, you – or anyone else with access to your MFL password – will be the only one who can directly enter a pick.
If any of these instructions are unclear, please ask. And if anything is incorrect, please alert!
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| 2 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 17:47
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Rules for 2013. Same as 2012, except that blind bidding uses conditional processing.
Draft
“Banzai” format: Same as a traditional snake, except the third round is reversed. Thus, the team with the first overall pick has the last pick in rounds 2, 3, and 4.
Roster
1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 WR/TE
1 TE
1 K
2 DL
2 LB
2 DB
1 additional IDP (flex)
9 bench
24 Total
Decimal scoring is applied for all categories.
Offense Category Points
(apply to all players, including IDP)
Passing TD 4
Other TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Passing-2pt conv 1
Other-2pt conv 2
Passing yard 1/25 (i.e., .04 per yard)
Rushing yard 1/10 (i.e., .10 per yard)
Receiving yard 1/10
Punt return yard 1/10 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return yard 1/25 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return 0 (no deduction)
Int, fumbles lost -2
Kicking Points
(apply to all players, including IDP)
Extra point made 1
Extra point missed -1
FG under 40 yards 3
FG 40-49 yards 4
FG 50+ yards 5
Missed FG <30 -1
Missed FG 30+ 0
Indiv Defensive Player Points
(apply to all players, including offensive players and kickers)
Solo Tackle 1
Asst Tackle 0.5
Tackle for loss 2
QB hit 1
Pass defensed 1
Sack 1 (half sack=0.5)
Interception 3
Fumble forced 2
Fumble recovery 2
TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Safety 3
Blocked kick (FG, XP, punt) 2
Unlisted players
During the draft, any player may be drafted, regardless of whether or not the player is listed at the hosting game site. Once the draft is completed, unlisted players may not be added to any roster. This applies for any post-draft waiver processing as well.
In the event that a drafted player is not listed after the draft has completed, a placeholder player will be assigned to the drafting team, to be replaced by the drafted player as soon as he is available.
Position eligibility
Except as defined below, a players position eligibility will be that assigned by the league hosting site.
If a player is listed at one position when drafted and that position is subsequently changed by the hosting site, the manager drafting that player may elect to retain the original position. In this event, that player will keep the drafted position eligibility until he is dropped or traded, at which time the eligibility will revert to the hosting systems default position.
Priority Claiming
All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at noon on Wednesday, using a blind bidding process. Each team will be allocated a budget for the regular season of $100, with a minimum bid of $1. Ties will be broken in favor of the current standings (with applicable tiebreakers), worst-to-first. For 2012, blind bidding will use the conditional setup at MFL.
Starting at 3:00pm on each Wednesday, all free agents may be picked up by any team "first come, first served" Dropped players will not be subject to a one day waiver period.
Immediately following the draft, undrafted players will be subject to a priority claiming process (blind bidding), with tiebreaking priorities equal to the reverse of the draft selection order (i.e, the order in which team selected their draft sequence.)Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player.
Schedule
13 week round robin
Doubleheaders all weeks 1-13 (play each team twice)
Single elimination playoffs, weeks 14-16
Trades and trade deadline
During the draft, trades may include draft picks. Trades will normally be approved immediately by the Commissioner, assuming they are reasonably balanced. If league managers believe an announced trade is unbalanced, they should protest the trade ASAP.
After the draft, trades will be subject to a review period. For the first 24 hours following a trade, managers may protest a trade by posting a message at the RotoGuru forum, or by sending an email to the Commissioner. If at least 3 managers protest a trade within 24 hours of its announcement, then all managers will be polled within the next 24 hours. If seven or more managers vote to veto a trade, then it will not be approved. If a proposed trade is announced less than 24 hours before the earliest freeze for any player involved, then the entire trade will not be processed until the following week.
If a trade does not receive at least 3 protests, then it will be effective 24 hours after it is announced. If a trade receives at least 3 protests but the protests are not upheld in a full league vote, then the trade will be processed 48 hours after it is announced.
The trade deadline is the weekend following the final week with byes.
Stat corrections
Official stat corrections will be automatically applied. This typically happens on Thursday morning. In the playoffs, this can lead to an issue if a team is suddenly “back in the game”, but that team was unable to make roster moves the prior day. If a stat correction changes a playoff matchup at the last minute, then any impacted team will be given the opportunity to make a last minute roster move, if needed. The Commissioner will attempt to ensure that this provision is enabled as fairly as possible under the circumstances.
During the playoffs, once the first game of the week has started, no stat corrections will be allowed thereafter.
Playoffs
8 teams, single elimination
The 8 teams will be those with the top 6 W/L records plus the two other teams with the most points
The top four seeds will be based on W/L record (including applicable tiebreakers)
Seeds 5-8 will be based on total points for the other four playoff teams
Teams with equivalent W/L records are ranked based on total points first, then head-to-head record.
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)
Blind bidding will continue throughout the playoffs. At the beginning of the playoffs, the top seeded team will receive an additional blind bidding allocation of $16, the second seed will receive $14, … with the 8th seed receiving $2. These allocations will be added to any balances remaining from the regular season. Any blind bidding ties during the playoffs will be awarded in favor of the better seeded team.
If a playoff game ends in a tie score, the team with the better seed shall advance.
There will be no restriction on player add/drop transactions for teams still active in the championship playoffs. Teams which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.
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| 3 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 08:12
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Draft should be good to go, I think.
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| 4 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 11:25
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The timer doesn't seem to be right. It's currently saying it will time out in over 22 hours.
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| 5 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 12:03
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I just set it for 23 hours to start the draft - will reset it to 4 hours tomorrow.
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| 6 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 12:33
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Note: if you post a comment at the MFL site, please refrain from mentioning undrafted players. We've already had a breach with pick #2.
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| 7 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 12:35
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As punishment, I say swap the player he mentioned for Martin :)
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| 8 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 12:42
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Haven't figured out how to edit or insert a draft comment on behalf of another team (as commish). I submitted a ticket, but if anyone knows how to do it, speak up.
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| 9 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 12:56
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Got a quick response from MFL. It turns out that one a comment has been posted, it cannot be edited.
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| 10 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 12:57
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[9] ... which I find really surprising. I'd think there would at least be a way to edit out objectionable comments!
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| 11 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 12:58
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Ok, how do I make my draft choice again?
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| 12 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 13:02
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Nevermind, got it.
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| 13 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 13:33
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Took Rice 1.01 last year, 1.11 this year. What a difference a year makes.
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| 14 | Promize
ID: 537541810
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 13:57
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My bad, sorry about that :(
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| 15 | Promize
ID: 537541810
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 14:03
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Of course it looks like someone helped to not make me feel so alone on what I did.
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| 16 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 14:58
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16 - nope, the time stamp shows that the subsequent post was made after Charles was drafted.
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| 17 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 20:02
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Ok, back to a problem I had last year - where do I find a list of undrafted players to sort thru? Every list I find has every player and doesn't mark whether or not they are drafted.
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| 18 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 14615220
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 20:03
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on the draft page... you can sort by ADP/position
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| 19 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 20:29
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You can filter out players that are rostered on the top performers/player stats pages as well.
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| 20 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 22:24
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Guru can you give the URL for the other rifc leagues so we can look at their drafts?
Thanks.
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| 21 | Frick
ID: 7631217
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 22:45
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If you go to Grid view on the first post, there is a link at the very top to see the other drafts.
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| 22 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 23:14
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Thanks.
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| 23 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 10:31
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I have now set the timer to 4 hours for the remainder of the draft. Hopefully, we won't need it.
Our pace yesterday was good for the first day - on pace with last year, when we completed the draft in a week.
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| 24 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 12:42
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4 hour clock seems very reasonable... what are the "black-out" times during the night?
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| 25 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 27, 2013, 10:35
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I have to say I love the fact that they have what slot the player was taken based on position. Seeing (POS-xx) really helps me keep my spreadsheets up to date.
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| 26 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 27, 2013, 12:05
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I would love to watch the current team I've put together play. That team would be VERY fast, and you wouldn't want to kick to them. But will they be good in fantasy...
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| 27 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Tue, Aug 27, 2013, 15:32
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Well &(&#*# there's the first major blunder. I wanted to target a linebacker. I started looking up high scorers from last year. I googled washington and read the first link that came up. I looked at his player news. Nothing on yahoo, nothing on his player card at the draft site. I draft him and then see the red "S" next to his name.
Ugh, so many holes to fill and waste my 6th round pick on somebody missing 25% of the season.
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| 28 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 00:41
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And with the end of the 7th round concludes your San Fran LB section of the draft.
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| 29 | judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 08:46
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I will be out most of the day with spotty access, but left Q's for the next two rounds. SHould be home by 5 pm...
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| 30 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 09:17
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We're about a round behind last year's pace. Still should be in OK shape.
Thanks to those of you who are keeping current with rationales. Through round 4, here are the ones that are missing:
twilson
2.14 B.Marshall
3.14 L. Miller
4.14 A. Brown
TD
3.08 V. Jackson
4.08 M. Wallace
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| 31 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 11:28
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That's twice now, Guru, that I've been trying to decide between 2 players. I take one and you turn around take the other w/ the very next pick.
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| 32 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 29, 2013, 12:39
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Sorry folks, I got called into a "surprise" meeting before I could set up a queue. I'm back now and picking.
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| 33 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 29, 2013, 17:58
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I wish the franchise names were the same for the draft and the draft grid format. I had to research to figure out that wiggs is EE and IAC is FRK. How does that happen? It's confusing.
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| 34 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 29, 2013, 18:07
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Man, I really wanted Joique Bell there and he was snatched right in front of me :(
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| 35 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 14615220
Thu, Aug 29, 2013, 18:57
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RE 33: For the sake of appeasing. I changed it to the above. I don't remember having input'd the abbreviated originally though, was probably Guru. ;)
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| 36 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 29, 2013, 20:50
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Thanks!!
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| 37 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 09:58
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I have to leave for a dentist appointment and don't have time to look at things and set a queue quick. It might not even get to me, but if it does there could be a little bit of a holdup compared to normal, sorry.
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| 38 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 10:27
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[33/35] those abbreviations were probably leftover vestiges of the teams that held those slots in last season's league. I probably forgot to clear them out.
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| 39 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 12:01
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I knew there was a Jordan Cameron, I guess I didn't do enough research to know there was a Cameron Jordan. Or maybe its the other way around. Either way, that's some weird wild stuff.
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| 40 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 12:33
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Kyle - I didn't realize that either. At least I was actually trying to draft the one I ended up with. Looks like promize did too since he references TEs in his write up. That could be problematic though if people aren't paying attention.
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| 41 | Judy
ID: 28523116
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 15:05
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Yeah in one draft I grabbed the DL and got a note saying he had been taken! I also put his first name on my team sheet until I realized my mistake...
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| 42 | Judy
ID: 28523116
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 15:09
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I think I drafted jordan Cameron DL. I am away from cheat sheets...
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| 43 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 15:54
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Promize got him Judy. You might be in too many leagues ;)
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| 44 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 16:29
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I got the DL, Promize got the TE.
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| 46 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Aug 31, 2013, 15:54
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I got him in rg14 and G24, and I did say "...in one draft..."
You are right about the confusion though. At one point rg14 and RIFC were running parallel rounds and they are very different types of drafts. Yipes!
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| 47 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Aug 31, 2013, 15:56
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Smith32:
Wiki for draft advice? That's a new one!!
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| 48 | Smith32
ID: 39749157
Sun, Sep 01, 2013, 10:22
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At this point, they're more like "excuses" than "rationales". I draft guys and then do the research to figure out why :)
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| 49 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Sun, Sep 01, 2013, 12:42
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Crap! I tried to make queue last night but kind of passed out at some point in the process. I'd like Alfonso Smith ARI for my 21st pick but don't see any way to do it.
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| 50 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Sep 01, 2013, 12:49
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[49] Pick inserted
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| 52 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Sun, Sep 01, 2013, 12:59
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Thanks and sorry for holding things up. I know we all just want to get this wrapped up.
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| 53 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Sep 02, 2013, 10:16
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The draft should end shortly. Once it ends, we will begin a post-draft blind bidding waiver period, ending at noon ET on Wednesday. FCFS free agent add/drops will begin at 3pm non Wednesday. Even if you don't want to place a bid, you may want to use this time to familiarize yourself with the conditional blind bidding mechanics.
Please complete your draft rationales and put them in the collection thread ASAP.
Once the draft is over, I'll also set up a recap thread.I'll also work on producing a consolidated summary of all 4 RIFC drafts.
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| 54 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Sep 02, 2013, 14:53
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twilson timed out on the last pick. If he tells me who he wants, I can make that pick prior to settlement of blind bid claims.
Blind bidding claims open at 3pm today, and will settle at noon ET Wednesday. Let me know if you have questions or difficulty in setting up a claim.
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| 55 | twilson
ID: 322401523
Mon, Sep 02, 2013, 23:54
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Guru, can I have Mike Nugent K, CIN for my final pick? Apologies for the timeout, I thought from my experience last year that the final pick didn't need to fit inside the clock window. Clearly, I was wrong.
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| 56 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Sep 03, 2013, 10:16
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Still awaiting rationales from three managers - especially twilson!
Twilson
12.14 Freeman
13.01 Butler
14.14 Umenyiora
15.01 Miller
16.14 D. Mccourty
17.01 Floyd
18.14 THomas
19.01 Weeden
20.14 Ninkovich
21.01 Roberts
22.14 Houston
23.01 Bell
24.14 Nugent
Kyle
21.12 Lewis
23.03 Bailey
23.12 Woodson
24.03 Lattimore
Wiggs
21.14 Woods
22.01 Robinson
23.14 Gearhart
24.01 Abraham
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| 57 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Sep 03, 2013, 10:40
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Sorry for the delay, I had them mostly written up when I was filling my queues for the weekend and I thought I'd be able to get on once and post them, boy was I mistaken.
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| 58 | Letter_J
ID: 10821412
Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 16:22
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Re [53],
So FCFS free agent add/drops are supposed to be allowed in all RIFC leagues as of 3pm ET on Wednesday, right??
I note that the RIFC calendar so indicates. In AAA#2, however, our calendar does not so indicate, and we seem to be frozen out.
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