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Posted by: Judy
- [35493114] Mon, Jul 06, 2015, 19:09

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340Toral
      ID: 010471419
      Sun, Nov 29, 2015, 17:21
Nerfherders 335: there is a later version of the rules that is not available at that website. It comes from our old CBS website -- which as of this preseason was still alive, in that you could see the rules and copy them -- which I did. (Altho you have to ignore their demands on every page to pay up to renew.) I made a copy of them; I sent a copy of Judy pre-season so she has a copy of them; my guess is that they are still available.

They are the last "official rules".

341Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Mon, Nov 30, 2015, 08:54
Great...

Now Brady is really gonna take it out on the Iggles this week...
342Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Mon, Nov 30, 2015, 09:15
Btw. Osweiler drafted in round 8 this year by buffalo.

What a pick going forth...☺️🤗
343Frick
      ID: 40702719
      Sun, Dec 06, 2015, 11:45
I just saw that Gronk is out for today. I tried to pick up a couple of other TEs, but they only show as being able to be picked up for next week. I will not have internet access until late tonight. Hopefully no one else is having similar issues.
344Doug
      ID: 19613816
      Sun, Dec 06, 2015, 12:54
It always shows that on Sundays I feel like (on the player page, the "Add" button is under week 14)... but if you add the player before kickoff it will still do the transaction immediately. At least, that's been my experience all season... one of the many "glories" of MFL. :)
345GO
      ID: 39727167
      Sun, Dec 06, 2015, 17:39
Were the TE's you tried add Ebron or Rodgers? Cause they already played, no idea otherwise... and where did you just see that he is out? I didn't think he had any chance of playing for several weeks?
346youngroman
      ID: 57047243
      Mon, Dec 07, 2015, 03:56
my team is already in playoff form. Or should I say Russell Wilson is. He better teaches some of my other players that they should play like him.

re 282 - it happened again. this time not with bye-week players, but with injured ones: Ryan Mathews, Jimmy Graham, Karlos Williams and Tony Romo (he may be excused).
347skinneej
      ID: 14911313
      Mon, Dec 07, 2015, 22:11
With 2nd half still to play, there are 5 teams in the NFC still playing for 3 of the 4 playoff spots. There's a chance for 5 teams to all end 16-10, so will be interesting to see if it holds up and the tie-breakers come into play.
348Slizz
      ID: 111119723
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 00:26
Unofficial Draft Order (barring any change or penalties):

1) Colts
2) Chiefs
3) Jaguars
4) Seahawks
5) Cardinals / Bills (judy won the head to head matchup, but I have more points. we are tied with conference and divisional records)
7) Panthers

Hopefully a top 6 pick in back to back years. At least the buffalo bills cupboard is stocked unlike last year:

QB - Ryan, Osweiler (FA week 8)
RB - Langford (2015 5th rd), West (FA week 6)
WR - Dez Bryant, Hopkins (2015 1st rd via Mariota), Kevin White (2015 2nd rd), Stefon Diggs (FA week 5)
TE - Ebron
LB - Von Miller, Anthony Barr (2015 9th rd via trade), Khalil Mack (FA week 11)
Rams DST

Good luck to all in the playoffs!
349skinneej
      ID: 478182311
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 15:36
So another year where it comes down to the wire and I just miss out on the playoffs. This year it was with 44 secs to go in the last MNF game when DJax caught the TD that cost me a win and a spot in the playoffs. It wouldn't have mattered if my week 10 win vs KC had not been reversed after 3 scoring changes resulted in a 4 pt win turning into a 1 pt loss. Crazy but oh well...
350skinneej
      ID: 478182311
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 15:49
Playoff Details from prior years:

Playoff Game Tiebreak Policy:
1st tiebreaker: Most TDs scored
2nd tie: Most TDs passing
3rd tie: Highest single scoring player
4th tie Next highest scoring player and so on

Playoff teams will be announced at the end of week #13, which is the end of the regular season. Playoff teams will be seeded accordingly:

#1 seed = division winner with best record
#2 seed = other division winner
#3 seed = wildcard team with best record
#4 seed = other wildcard team

Seeds #1/#4 and Seeds #2/#3 will play in week #14, with the winners advancing to meet for their respective conference championship in week #15. Each conference winner will advance to the SuperBowl to be held in week #16. Losers will also continue playing to vie for placement for cash prizes (if app.). i.e. If you lose in round one, the best you can do is 5th place.

Runner-Up playoffs: We run teams 9-16 (Wanna-be Bowl) and teams 17-24 (Toilet Bowl) in a single elimination version of our Super Bowl. All stats will count but only regular season records will be counted toward your draft order for the following year.

So here are the playoff seeds:

AFC
#1 Chargers vs #4 Texans
#2 Bengals vs #3 Raiders

NFC
#1 Bears vs #4 Cowboys
#2 Saints vs #3 Giants

Wanna Be Bowl:
#9 Lions vs #16 Panthers
#10 Packers vs #15 Broncos
#11 Browns vs #14 49ers
#12 Eagles vs #13 Ravens

Toilet Bowl:
#17 Vikings vs #24 Colts
#18 Jets vs #23 Chiefs
#19 Bills vs #22 Jaquars
#20 Cardinals vs #21 Seahawks
351skinneej
      ID: 478182311
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 15:58
The other big reminder is that for all non-playoff teams #9-24, there are no Adds/Drops allowed at this point so one of the commishes needs to lock teams from transactions. Only the top 8 playoff teams are allowed transactions from this point forward as in all previous years.
352Nerfherders
      ID: 161121811
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 16:59
Ugh, I would have rather lost all 12 of my remaining games then have been tie-breakered out of the playoffs. Now I have the most unenviable finishing spot in the league.

I can't really explain my collapse. I was humming along then all of my key players decided to get hurt, or not play, or just not play well. The only guy that actually picked up his game in the second half was Stafford, and even that wasn't enough. Tthere were a couple games I lost by less than 2 points that I could have won easily by picking the right players to start. I struggled with WR's all season and picked the wrong one to drop (Baldwin). I'm not sure James Jones is even on his team anymore.

On the bright side, It was a winning season, I got things turned around from a beyond awful season last year, and if I can find a WR this team might be tough to beat next year.
353Nerfherders
      ID: 161121811
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 17:01
Isn't there also a rule that anyone a playoff team picks up now cannot be kept?
354skinneej
      ID: 478182311
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 18:16
Yes that is correct.
355beastiemiked
      ID: 5911312710
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 23:38
I think wildcard seeding should be based on points and not w/l record. Obviously we can't change it this year but it doesn't make much sense that we award the wildcards based on points but then do the seeding based on w/l. Kinda stinks my team scored the 3rd most points yet has to face the team that scored the 2nd most points in round 1. Our current setup could lead to the top 2 point totals facing off in round 1.
356Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 07:53
Skinnej

Thanks so much for setting up seedlings. I am on vacation with just the I pad and no printer. so it's is tricky.

Can you check what I have done so far?

It also did the abilities so only main draw can makes changes,

I did the championship and will do the others later today/tonight.
357Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 07:54
Also does waiver order change? Probably too late for that...
359Frick
      ID: 147221011
      Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 08:35
Looking back at the prior season's on MFL, I think I set a new record for Could Won games this year with 8, the previous high was 7 (I don't know if CBS had a similar stat). It didn't help that I had two weeks where my team was flat out awful. One of my Could Won games was 61-60, so I can't feel to bad.
360skinneej
      ID: 478182311
      Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 12:38
Looks correct to me Judy.

[355] Not sure I understand. The seedings for Div Winner and wildcards are both done by W/L record first, then for any ties the total points scored are used. The only thing that is unique is that instead of seeding #1-4 based on record, the Div winner with the worst W/L record gets the #2 seed regardless of the records of the wild card teams.

It's just bad luck sometimes that a first round matchup may pit two top scoring teams against each other. We've had many discussions over the years about whether points scored should factor in more that W/L record for things like final wild card spots or playoff seedings, but the consensus was to not change the system. I was unfortunate to have a situation 2 years in a row ('08 and '09) where my team was the 2nd highest scoring team in the regular season out of 24 teams, but did not make the playoffs either year. In '08 I was actually tied for the final wild card spot in the NFC with the Giants, but the Giants just happened to be the #1 scoring team in the league that season, so they made it in over me.

361skinneej
      ID: 478182311
      Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 12:52
I do think that we could look at adding other tiebreaker options ahead of points scored like head to head, division record and conference record. I'd like to see points scored be further down the list. Scoring a lot of points is good and will win you more games than not, but it still comes down to wins and losses and how you manage the bye weeks and injuries. If you win all your games by 30+ points, but lose several by just a few points, its still about your W/L record just like in the NFL.

My suggestion would be:
1st Tie-breaker: Head to Head record
2nd Tie-breaker: Division record
3rd Tie-breaker: Conference record
4th Tie-breaker: Total points scored

If we had applied those this year, the 3 NFC teams that were tied for the wild card spots at 16-10 would have resulted in the following:

NY Giants would have gotten the first wild card spot with head to head wins over both the Cowboys and Lions. The Cowboys and Lions split their 2 inter-division games, and also had the same division record of 6-4, so it would have been decided by the conference record where the Cowboys would have won. So the seeds would have been the same in this case, but in most years would probably give a different yet more conclusive outcome.

Although it didn't matter this year since I wasn't tied for a wildcard spot, but I was 9-1 in my division, yet finished 3rd based on overall record. Guess I just sucked against most other teams this year.
362beastiemiked
      ID: 469172814
      Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 15:28
I thought it was the 2 division winners and then the next two teams with the highest point totals make the playoffs. Am I wrong? We actually base our playoffs on w/l first. So in theory the team with the most points could actually miss the playoffs? If so, that's outrageous. Points is the only thing we semi have control over. W/L is all luck.
363skinneej
      ID: 478182311
      Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 15:46
Points only matter for tie-breakers. This has been the same since we created the league in 2002.

From the bylaws:
There will be 8 teams that make the playoffs. Each division winner (4) will make the playoffs. The next 2 teams with the best records AFC (east/west divisions) & the next 2 teams with the best records NFC (north/south divisions) will also make the playoffs. It is possible for both wildcards to come from the same division (IE west). If there is a tie at any level, the first tie breaker will be total points accumulated during the year. The second tie breaker will be most total TDs scored during the year. The third tie breaker will be the single highest week point total.
364skinneej
      ID: 478182311
      Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 16:08
I realize we are all pretty old now and don't remember stuff much, but I was digging through some old threads and pretty much the same conversations were had many years ago about points. Check out This thread from 2009

Starting around post 386 and on down there was solid discussion both ways. It's funny bmd that you posted the same thing then (post 397 and others), but ultimately there was not enough support from the league to change the process. There were good ideas tossed out like 12 team playoffs vs 8, but this league has always been reluctant to make big changes and often it has probably been for the best.
365Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 19:32
Thanks skinner just,

Will do two other tourneys either right now from airport or when I get home.
366beastiemiked
      ID: 481162721
      Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 23:59
Wow, great digging. I do not remember that(yes we are definitely all getting old). Crazy that it was 6 years ago and I used your team as an example. I think I made some good points :) Maybe we can revisit it in the off-season.

367skinneej
      ID: 478182311
      Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 12:16
Yeah I wish your proposal for last wildcard spot be based on points had made it through. It would have helped me again this year as I was the 6th highest scoring team in the league and would have edged out the Cowboys for the final NFC spot.

I think we can re-open the discussion since we've had several new managers since '09 and maybe the sentiment has changed. The other option that had some interest was adding 2 more playoff spots from each conference that would give us 12 total playoff teams, and starting the playoffs in week 13. Then top 2 teams from each conference would get a bye in week 13. It would reduce the regular season by 1 week, but since we have double headers that is still 24 games to get a good sample size for playoff positioning.
368Toral
      ID: 010471419
      Thu, Dec 10, 2015, 13:21
I'll plump for 361: h-t-h tiebreakers in a h-t-h league:

1st Tie-breaker: Head to Head record
2nd Tie-breaker: Division record
3rd Tie-breaker: Conference record
4th Tie-breaker: Total points scored
369PeteN.
      ID: 8550318
      Sat, Dec 12, 2015, 16:52
Good luck to all that made the playoffs! I like the current setup and wouldn't want to change anything up. This is fantasy football. W-L record with total points as a tiebreaker makes the most sense to me.
370PeteN.
      ID: 8550318
      Sat, Dec 12, 2015, 16:56
I sneak into the playoffs and get rewarded with facing the best team in the league. We'll see how far Brady and the boys can take me.
371beastiemiked
      ID: 469172814
      Fri, Dec 18, 2015, 15:14
I lost first round but why am I playing a NFC team? Shouldn't I be facing the Bengals?
372Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Sat, Dec 19, 2015, 21:15
Beastie. Fixed, thanks for noticing...
373beastiemiked
      ID: 481162721
      Sun, Dec 20, 2015, 09:40
I can't make any add's. Do we revoke rights to add/drop for teams that have lost in the playoffs but still vying for money spots? Kinda stinks I'm going to be putting up zero in spot.
374GO
      ID: 1311391312
      Sun, Dec 20, 2015, 16:13
Yes. Would you prefer we go back to 5 years ago when NOBODY could add or drop when the playoffs started? including those playing for the title? Thats how it used to be. I got the league to approve this compromise of those still contending for the title as long as nobody could be kept added after Week 13.
375beastiemiked
      ID: 481162721
      Sun, Dec 20, 2015, 21:13
No, obviously not. If rosters are locked down then it would be better to just let all those that lost their 1st round games the same finishing place.
376youngroman
      ID: 57047243
      Mon, Dec 21, 2015, 05:18
could have used some WR's after 2 went down last week. but it is as it is. sometimes you have bad luck and it hit me big time all season. only 2 of my keepers stayed healthy all year: Russell Wilson, and JJ Watt. 2 great athletes to build a team around for next season.
377Tree
      ID: 211133217
      Mon, Dec 21, 2015, 08:33
i'd definitely be on the side of allowing anyone still playing for money be allowed to make pick ups.
378Nerfherders
      ID: 161121811
      Tue, Dec 22, 2015, 11:00
Oh, Lions, why couldn't I have gotten these last two weeks from you guys 4 weeks ago? 5 weeks ago?
379Doug
      ID: 19613816
      Wed, Dec 23, 2015, 10:31
Best of luck to ccrider in the championship game... sucks to lose Odell but I hopefully have enough depth to make it a good contest! :)
380Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Wed, Dec 30, 2015, 23:13
Congrats to Oakland.

I'll get the final list from playoff games the $$ list and the draft list up shortly.

Also I have ideas for rules tweaks for 2016. We should do them now, before baseball begins.
381Slizz
      ID: 2611402412
      Thu, Dec 31, 2015, 09:38
Congrats, Doug.

As for tiebreak scenarios, could anyone chime in to what they are?

Judy and I are currently tied for the 5th/6th pick:
-we have identical records
-same conference
-she won h2h
-I have total points

Who would get the 5th?
382skinneej
      ID: 478182311
      Thu, Dec 31, 2015, 15:04
Yes congrats Doug on a great season and final playoff run!

Per current rules, tie-breakers are only based on total points, so Arizona would have the 5th slot and Buffalo the 6th slot. The top 16 draft picks are based on final regular season finish (as documented in post 350), where the bottom 8 are based on final playoff finish. I believe this list below is the correct draft order for 2016 (note round 1 top 16 spots will be based on lottery results).

1. Colts
2. Chiefs
3. Jaguars
4. Seahawks
5. Cardinals
6. Bills
7. Jets
8. Vikings
9. Panthers
10. Broncos
11. 49ers
12. Ravens
13. Eagles
14. Browns
15. Packers
16. Lions
17. Cowboys
18. Bengals
19. Texans
20. Saints
21. Chargers
22. Giants
23. Bears
24. Raiders
383PeteN.
      ID: 8550318
      Thu, Dec 31, 2015, 15:56
Congrats Doug!
384Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Fri, Jan 01, 2016, 09:23
Skinnej,

Slizz has total points so he gets 5th?

385skinneej
      ID: 11192115
      Fri, Jan 01, 2016, 11:40
Slizz "won" the tie-breaker so his team finished higher than yours in the final standings. So that means you have the higher draft pick since its inverse of regular season finish.
386Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Mon, Apr 04, 2016, 17:07
A little late,but whatever.

Prize monies

$100. Oakland
$60. Bears, plus $10 bonus for best record
$42.50. NYG
$42.50. SD
$30. NOLA
$22.50. Houston
$17.50. Cincy
$15.00. Dallas

387Doug
      ID: 326332712
      Fri, Jul 29, 2016, 16:10
IR Proposal:

IR Slot #1 - A regular IR slot... if/when they come off IR, players must be activated within 48 hours (or whatever the appropriate grace period is).

IR Slot #2 - If your team gets really banged up, you can put a second player on IR. At this point, you must designate one of the two IR players as a keeper for the following year. Even if the player is activated during the season, the keeper designation holds. If the player is traded, the new team inherits this keeper requirement as well (and the new team must acknowledge their awareness of this designation prior to the trade being processed by commisioner(s)).

Both slots: After the Fantasy Championship, IR goes away. All teams with 1+ IR player must cut down their roster while maintaining a valid lineup (i.e., if you only have 1 K, you can't drop your K). Obviously players in IR Slot #2 can't be dropped. In short, nobody gets to carry extra players forward to the following year's keeper decision-making process.
388mjd
      ID: 56311613
      Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 13:20
In a deep league like this, I'm not crazy about having any IR slots.

The FA player pool is shallow enough and as CT pointed out, this is a tough league with difficult decisions a major part of the overall strategy.
389Doug
      ID: 326332712
      Mon, Aug 08, 2016, 16:33
I guess I'm proposing it under the assumption that we are going to impose penalties for any team that has a starter on IR (even if the player is due back soon, etc.). I don't think we should be forcing teams to run a short bench just because they had some guys get injured (especially if they have to cover every slot every week).

I'd even vote for this while simultaneously eliminating a roster spot... if all your guys are healthy, you can afford to lose a roster spot... thus would likely end up with a few additional players in the FA pool if that's the concern (b/c likely <24 players would be on IR at most points during the season).

One other thing I'd add to the proposal is that the player has to be on your roster before he is placed on IR (or widely anticipated to be placed on IR). You can't pick up a player just to stash him on IR.

So feel free to add these to the proposal... from above:

- Eliminate 1 active roster bench spot
- Players are only eligible for Fantasy IR if they are on your team prior to being placed (or prior to being expected to be placed) on the NFL IR.
390Toral
      ID: 535571316
      Mon, Aug 08, 2016, 18:37
Guyz, far from me to be critical, but everyone else has moved over to the 2016 thread:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1123&last=1470694760
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