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0 Subject: RIFC 2015: Regular Season Discussion

Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Tue, Sep 08, 2015, 09:34

Rationale thread is still not complete. If you have not yet finished, your rationales are now well overdue. Please follow up ASAP.

As a reminder, for the IR slot, a player must be designated on MFL.com as being on the IR. Suspended or otherwise inactive players are not eligible.
1Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Sep 08, 2015, 09:35
These are the rules for 2015. Same as 2014, except for adjustment relates to the new extra point scoring options. (2015 Rules changes highlighted in blue)

Draft
“Banzai” format: Same as a traditional snake, except the third round is reversed. Thus, the team with the first overall pick has the last pick in rounds 2, 3, and 4.

Roster
1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 WR/TE
1 TE
1 K
2 DL
2 LB
2 DB
1 additional IDP (flex)
9 bench
24 Total

Decimal scoring is applied for all categories.

Offense Category Points
(apply to all players, including IDP)
Passing TD 4
Other TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Passing-2pt conv 1
Other-2pt conv 2
Passing yard 1/25 (i.e., .04 per yard)
Rushing yard 1/10 (i.e., .10 per yard)
Receiving yard 1/10
Punt return yard 1/10 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return yard 1/25 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return 0 (no deduction)
Int, fumbles lost -2

Kicking Points
(apply to all players, including IDP)
Extra point made 1
Extra point missed -1
FG under 40 yards 3
FG 40-49 yards 4
FG 50+ yards 5
Missed FG <30 -1
Missed FG 30+ 0

Indiv Defensive Player Points
(apply to all players, including offensive players and kickers)
Solo Tackle 1
Asst Tackle 0.5
Tackle for loss 2
QB hit 1
Pass defensed 1
Sack 1 (half sack=0.5)
Interception 3
Fumble forced 2
Fumble recovery 2
TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Safety 3 (including safety on extra point attempt)
Blocked kick (FG, XP, punt) 2
Defensive conversion returns (extra point) 2
Unlisted players
During the draft, any player may be drafted, regardless of whether or not the player is listed at the hosting game site. Once the draft is completed, unlisted players may not be added to any roster. This applies for any post-draft waiver processing as well.

In the event that a drafted player is not listed after the draft has completed, a placeholder player will be assigned to the drafting team, to be replaced by the drafted player as soon as he is available.

Position eligibility
Except as defined below, a players position eligibility will be that assigned by the league hosting site.

If a player is listed at one position when drafted and that position is subsequently changed by the hosting site, the manager drafting that player may elect to retain the original position. In this event, that player will keep the drafted position eligibility until he is dropped or traded, at which time the eligibility will revert to the hosting systems default position.

Injured Reserve
Each team will have one slot available for injured reserve. A player may only be placed on injured reserve when he is so designated by the NFL and the hosting site reflects that IR status.

If a manager adds a player who is already designated as IR at the time of his pickup (either through priority claiming or free agent pickup), that team must keep the player on its active roster until the following week. Players who are already designated as IR when drafted are not subject to this limitation, and may be placed in the IR slot immediately after the draft.

Once an IR player has returned to active status by the NFL, that player must be removed from the IR slot no later than the Wednesday following his activation. If an ineligible player remains in an IR slot after this time, the commissioner may forcibly drop such player after a 24-hour notice (via email) to the manager.

Priority Claiming
All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at 7:30pm ET on Wednesday, using a blind bidding process. Each team will be allocated a budget for the regular season of $100, with a minimum bid of $1. Ties will be broken in favor of the current standings (with applicable tiebreakers), worst-to-first. For 2014, blind bidding will use the conditional setup at MFL.

Starting at 10:30pm ET on each Wednesday, all free agents may be picked up by any team "first come, first served" Dropped players will not be subject to a one day waiver period.

During the postseason (weeks 14-16), the waiver schedule will be pushed back to Thursday so that any stats corrections (which might conceivably impact playoff results from the prior weekend) can be processed. For surviving teams in the championship bracket, blind bidding will take place at 3pm ET on Thursday, with free agents released for FCFS pickup at 6pm ET.

Immediately following the draft, undrafted players will be subject to a priority claiming process (blind bidding), with tiebreaking priorities equal to the reverse of the draft selection order (i.e, the order in which team selected their draft sequence.)


Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player.

Schedule
13 week round robin
Doubleheaders all weeks 1-13 (play each team twice)
Single elimination playoffs, weeks 14-16

Trades and trade deadline
During the draft, trades may include draft picks. Trades will normally be approved immediately by the Commissioner, assuming they are reasonably balanced. If league managers believe an announced trade is unbalanced, they should protest the trade ASAP.

After the draft, trades will be subject to a review period. For the first 24 hours following a trade, managers may protest a trade by posting a message at the RotoGuru forum, or by sending an email to the Commissioner. If at least 3 managers protest a trade within 24 hours of its announcement, then all managers will be polled within the next 24 hours. If seven or more managers vote to veto a trade, then it will not be approved. If a proposed trade is announced less than 24 hours before the earliest freeze for any player involved, then the entire trade will not be processed until the following week.

If a trade does not receive at least 3 protests, then it will be effective 24 hours after it is announced. If a trade receives at least 3 protests but the protests are not upheld in a full league vote, then the trade will be processed 48 hours after it is announced.

The trade deadline is the weekend following the final week with byes.

Stat corrections
Official stat corrections will be automatically applied. This typically happens on Thursday morning. In the playoffs, this can lead to an issue if a team is suddenly “back in the game”, but that team was unable to make roster moves the prior day. If a stat correction changes a playoff matchup at the last minute, then any impacted team will be given the opportunity to make a last minute roster move, if needed. The Commissioner will attempt to ensure that this provision is enabled as fairly as possible under the circumstances.

During the playoffs, once the first game of the week has started, no stat corrections will be allowed thereafter.

Playoffs
8 teams, single elimination
The 8 teams will be those with the top 6 W/L records plus the two other teams with the most points
The top four seeds will be based on W/L record (including applicable tiebreakers)
Seeds 5-8 will be based on total points for the other four playoff teams
Teams with equivalent W/L records are ranked based on total points first, then head-to-head record.
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)

Blind bidding will continue throughout the playoffs. At the beginning of the playoffs, the top seeded team will receive an additional blind bidding allocation of $16, the second seed will receive $14, … with the 8th seed receiving $2. These allocations will be added to any balances remaining from the regular season. Any blind bidding ties during the playoffs will be awarded in favor of the better seeded team.

If a playoff game ends in a tie score, the team with the better seed shall advance.

There will be no restriction on player add/drop transactions for teams still active in the championship playoffs. Teams which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.

2Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Sep 16, 2015, 15:21
We're now well past the first weekend of regular season games, and two managers have failed to provide rationales for 8 or more picks - Fugazi & Aussie Diamondbacks. I emailed them several times, but never got any response or excuse.

I don't think this has ever happened before. Managers have typically been attentive to honoring the commitment that they took on when accepting the offer to play in this league. Failure to follow through is not only disrespectful to me, but also to the other managers in the league who fulfilled their responsibilities.

I have always said that failure to produce rationales in a timely manner will be a consideration in the decision of which teams to invite back next year. I haven't fully decided on how that will be implemented, although at a minimum, I will knock down each of those teams by at least one place in the standings when assessing the qualifications to return.

Disappointing.
3Promize
      ID: 35392417
      Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 12:47
Could always go to the Commissioner Setup Options Page.

Then Commissioner / Franchise Setup

Abilities Setup

Then revoke their Submit Lineups ability.

Bet they would contact you soon then :)
4Kyle
      Leader
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 17:47
Back for another year is Kyle shows you guys where each team is strong or weak. It's not super informative after one week (usually takes about 4 weeks to normalize) but it's still fun to look at.

As always the WR and TE positions are your top 2 WR and 1 TE and the W/T is the leftover (so if you start 2 TEs your second highest scoring TE will show up there, if you start 3 WRs your third highest scoring WR will go there). Same goes for the DE, LB, and DB positions, I'll take the top 2 for each position and the IDP that's left over will go in the IDP position.

This year I've decided to make it a google doc so you can help me keep track if you want. Just post here with your e-mail in the e-mail slot and I'll give you editing powers. Everyone who has this link should be able to see the spreadsheets. I will try my best to update this by 4 PM CST on Wednesdays. It won't be done before then due to scoring changes that could happen.
5holt
      ID: 294132120
      Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 21:49
I messaged fugazi and diamondbacks on Facebook. Diamondbacks said that he entered all his rationales on the mfl site with his picks. Fugazi typed his rationales and hit submit but didn't hit the post now button, apparently.
6fugazi
      ID: 327471223
      Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 22:27
I apologize for the delay in my rationals. I finished them the first time and I forgot to click submit. Wrote them again last Friday and thought I made sure to submit but must have done the same thing. I haven't been in the forum this week and didn't notice they had not posted again. I will finish them gain now.
7Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Sep 20, 2015, 19:53
[5] FWIW, Diamondbacks hasn't posted a rationale on the draft site since round 9.
8Promize
      ID: 497361313
      Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 11:13
So, I went back and actually noticed that I had a missing rationale, although I know I typed it in. I guess I made the mistake of not going back to make sure it took, as sometimes when I entered it in on the comments of the website I had to do it twice. So I finished my last one. Sorry about that.

Guess I'm needing a backup QB now, hopefully Bridge doesn't go down. Glad he is actually looking good.
9holt
      ID: 294132120
      Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 19:20
I probably should have helped diamondbacks a bit more with how everything works. He is a long time friend of mine who I invited to join AA last season. From what I understand he wasn't aware that people were posting rationales in this forum. He was posting his rationales along with his picks at MFL but at some point he quit posting them because he thought no one else was doing them. I don't think he knew that the majority are normally posted here on the message board.
10Kyle
      Leader
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Sep 24, 2015, 16:22
The sheet where each position is broken down is now updated for week 2! Find it at the link
11TD
      ID: 8737711
      Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 11:07
MFL reported an incorrect inactive player for week 3, that resulted in me removing this player from my lineup. Fortunately it did not cause me to lose either matchup, but it did cost me a few fantasy points.

On MFL, I am signed up for text message for game-day inactives on my starting lineup at 12:30pm and 3:30pm ET on Sundays. At 12:30pm Sunday, I got a text from MFL that LB David Harris NYJ was out. I opened the MFL app and Harris was listed as out, so I replaced him with another player. Harris ended up playing and scored 10.5 fantasy points.

So make sure you double check any player that MFL reports as out.
12Kyle
      Leader
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 15:22
Wow that's kind of crazy. I'm glad it didn't cause you to lose, and hopefully you don't miss out on the playoffs by the point difference you would have had.

Thanks for the heads up as I also have that set up.
14 twilson
      ID: 37573115
      Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 19:00
I have 7 starter-quality WRs on my roster, which is quite simply more than I need. I'm looking to move one or more for an RB2/3, DL1, or an upgrade to a starting slot.

I'm going to send out some specific offers, but will happily entertain anything you'd like to send my way.


On another note: Kyle, feel free to give me editing powers on your spreadsheet. I can enter my team's values for you.
15Kyle
      Leader
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Oct 01, 2015, 12:37
Thanks Twilson, you have access.

For everyone else, I have updated the sheet, so your week 3 stats are there. Oddly enough Wheatfarmers got a 1.5 point boost between me putting in the scores and double checking it. Not sure who or what got it, but it happened.
16ywk
      ID: 497553019
      Sun, Oct 11, 2015, 22:17
No credit for Julio Jones fumble recovery TD because it cannot be categorized in this league? That could be a huge difference for my sorry team.
17twilson
      ID: 37573115
      Mon, Oct 12, 2015, 10:06
It looks like MFL does offer a scoring category that covers this situation, but we don't seem to have it enabled. Based on the scoring rules in post 1 of this thread, it is clear that our intent is to score offensive fumble recovery touchdowns as 6 fpts. Thus, I would support a manual score adjustment for ywk this week. Going forward, it would be on each of us to check our own weekly results for such events. Does everyone else agree?

From the MFL scoring setup rules (http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2015/scoring_rules#rules):

87. Number of Offensive Fumble Recovery TDs (#FR) This is the number of fumble recoveries that are returned all the way for a TD after an offensive fumble by someone on the same NFL team. This includes fumbles that are recovered by a player's own team on any play from scrimmage. For example, if a Running Back fumbles at the 1 yard line right before scoring a TD, and then a Wide Receiver on the same team recovers the ball at the 1 yard line and advances to the endzone for a TD, then it is considered an Offensive fumble recovery TD.
18Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 13, 2015, 08:47
I added fumble recovery TD to our league scoring this morning. Clearly, our rules have always provided that all TD's scored are counted, regardless of source.

I'm kind of surprised our scoring formula wasn't set that way already.
19Toral
      ID: 1753514
      Wed, Oct 14x, 2015, 19:34
Charcandrick West went for...

$75 in RIFC
$97 in AAA#1
$63 in AAA#2
$65 in AA
20 Toral
      ID: 010471419
      Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 17:46

Cliff Dilling...you fricking jerk. Why would you pay auction money for my handcuff in the first place and not use him? OK.. you want to make a trade or something. So why didn't you offer anything?

And then you release him today , and under Guru's weird rules, he is picked by by a smart player immediately.

Cliff: you give people to understand that you are associated with the military in some way, perhaps now only in procurement.

If you were in strategy, no surprise we're getting our asses kicked by Muslims and everyone else.

Or...if you don't take this game seriously, give it up,

Alan Stewart
Toral
alangstewart@sympatico.ca
21GO
      ID: 39727167
      Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 18:45
Sounds like somebody else takes this game a little too seriously.
22Toral
      ID: 010471419
      Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 22:01
GO -- if you don't take the game seriously, then GET OUT.

Total
23Toral
      ID: 010471419
      Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 22:30
More importantly, Cliff can speak for himself. Why do you New York City types think that you speak for everybody? Notably clearly dumb types like you ND Tree?
24Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Nov 16, 2015, 11:39
hmmm...
In the span of 4 posts. Toral manages to insult and/or disparage three Gurupies (including one who isn't even this league), plus the military, the residents of the largest city in the U.S., and a religion with over 1.5 billion adherents worldwide. And me (although I admit got off rather light.)

Impressive!
25Tree
      ID: 34758146
      Mon, Nov 16, 2015, 12:00
Toral is probably drunk posting again. When he's drunk, he doesn't realize the irony of a Canadian calling others dumb, or ranting against the belief one person speaks for everybody.

Nobody attempts to speak more for everybody else than a Canadian does.
26Toral
      ID: 010471419
      Mon, Nov 23, 2015, 13:49
I haven't read the no doubt foolish and ignorant responses to my post (which I stand by entirely), but did anyone notice how many points Rawls scored this week?

A league in which such a player (a) is released before a game in which he has a 50/50 chance to start and gain humongous points; and (b) can be picked up immediately by anyone that has a computer; has a waiver system that is poorly designed. and has at least one manager who deserves a severe talking-to. If you are so busy that you can't look at your roster and make moves until Sunday morning, you don't belong here (not that I will be "here" next year, thanx to the evil Marshawn Lynch. I said when I drafted him that I hated him; maybe he's paying me back.) It's not that such a manager is a bad person, but that his laziness affects the balance of the league.

And I've played with Goatlocker as long as I've been playing fantasy, and consider him a friend. But what needs to be said, needs to be said.

Toral
27holt
      ID: 4510402319
      Mon, Nov 23, 2015, 20:41
I have Rawls in AAA but I don't have Lynch. I'm kind of an ass like that. Anyway, I would have started Rawls over Hillman but there was no indication all week that Lynch was going to sit. Even on Sunday morning there was no talk about it. I don't think the Marshawn owner in AAA cares that I own Rawls. He didn't bother adding him to his roster and he hasn't made me any trade offers. I was actually close to cutting him Sunday myself because I needed to make a couple moves.

I believe we don't have players go through a waiver period because the alternative is worse. You'd have teams adding and dropping players to keep them unavailable. There's also the issue of Thursday games.

Now that I think about it, my RB crew is full of guys who used to be handcuffs. McFadden, Andrews, Hillman, Rawls. I made sure to draft McFadden because I owned Randle, and I also own Dallas' other two RB's.

In short, I disagree with everything Toral said.
28Toral
      ID: 010471419
      Sun, Nov 29, 2015, 17:36
1) There are ways to prevent people from "adding and dropping players to keep them unavailable".

2) The issue isn't handcuffs, but dropping good players just before they are likely to play and the system letting them be picked up immediately. I think this is stupid.

3) I issued a cry of pain. In retrospect I should have relieved Goatlocker of Rawls some weeks ago, by trade offer. I forgot that one can (I believe) add free agent dollars to a trade, if one cannot make an equal trade of talent.) Mea culpa.

4) I don't know what week holt is taking about ("but there was no indication all week that Lynch was going to sit") but the week I am talking about, Lynch was Questionable, and uncertain to start.

5) Having said all this, holt is a multi-time champion and the obvious choice for best player in RI?C. So if you accept his position rather than mine, you are not subject to blame, regardless of his illogic.

Toral
29Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Nov 29, 2015, 21:32
Holt's recollection about the reason for this particular rule is correct. We used to have teams hold players until game day just to keep other teams from being able to get them. At the extreme, teams would cycle multiple players through a series of add/drops in order to shield them all. After trying to figure out a way to offset this (and there were no ideas proposed that didn't have other flaws and/or the need for extensive manual intervention by the commish), we decided to keep it simple and just eliminate waivers for dropped players.

We knew that was not a perfect solution either, but at least it was simple and did not require any special handling.
30Nerfherders
      ID: 161121811
      Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 15:53
I'd like to throw out an idea for a minor tweak to the scoring rules for next year.

Since extra points are now 33 yard kicks, I do not believe they should carry the -1 point penalty, since a 33 yard field goal does not.

I think there should be equal penalties for equal effort.
31twolves
      ID: 57491413
      Thu, Dec 03, 2015, 09:54
I like the ability to immediately pick up any player dropped before game time and be eligible to play (or stash because they have bye week) without having to use waivers. I know that some players are not available to view site just before because of other committments. I know it is frustrating to have waivers on dropped players like they do in Yahoo and other sites and cannot pick them up to use. However, those sites do not let you reclaim them on waivers. I will admit I have dropped a player just before deadline in hopes of no one picking him up and then bidding to get him back the next week in the past. I think for the three years I have been playing it works fine.
32Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Dec 03, 2015, 17:25
As we approach the playoffs, I thought it would be useful to recap the transition period.

The Championship playoffs will be comprised of 8 teams. The Top 6 are selected by W/L record, and the last two are the two remaining teams with the highest weekly point average. The 5-8 seeds are then sorted based on points rather than W/L.

The Championship playoffs are a three week, single elimination tournament with no reseeding from week to week. Once the bracket is set, teams flow normally through the bracket.

At the start of the playoffs, extra blind bidding $ are awarded to the 8 teams. The top seed gets an extra $16, while the #8 seed gets $2. These amounts are added to any remaining blind bidding dollar that each team may still have.

Once the regular season has ended, teams that are no longer alive in the Championship bracket are frozen, and may no longer make add or drop transactions. Championship bracket teams may make add/drop moves without restriction – except for the timing of the weekly blind bidding.

Playoff blind bidding will take place on Thursdays at 3pm ET. The delay is to wait until after any scoring changes are processed on Thursday morning, since scoring changes can impact the teams that are still alive.

Each commissioner may set up additional consolation brackets at his or her discretion. Just remember that if you are in a consolation bracket, your team roster is locked. You can change your start/bench selections from week to week, but you cannot make any free agent moves.


33twolves
      Dude
      ID: 811161317
      Mon, Dec 07, 2015, 10:51
Are teams in the championship bracket still able to add/drop players after they lose when playing in the consolation bracket or for 3rd? I assume they are.
34Toral
      ID: 010471419
      Mon, Dec 07, 2015, 15:08
Guru:
At the extreme, teams would cycle multiple players through a series of add/drops in order to shield them all.
Boy is a solution to that easy in this system Just state from the beginning that this is forbidden and (maybe after one warning) anybody who does this will be (1) manually disqualified from the playoffs; and (2) barred from RIFC leagues.

Toral
35Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 09:19
[33] No.
36Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 09:26
[34] We went through this very discussion several years ago. The devil's in the details.

Extreme cases could be handled as you state. But there are a lot of non-extreme issues that get very difficult to assess.
37Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 09:27
In any event, we can certainly take this up again next summer.
38Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 10:15
Playoff brackets have been set.

Top six teams are based on W/L standings.
The other two teams are based on total points. This year, those teams are mine (10-14, 129.0 avg) and Fugazi (8-18, 127.5 avg.) I don't ever remember a team moving up to the playoffs from last place in the "Regular" standings.

If anything changes based on the scoring corrections on Thursday morning, the playoff brackets will be adjusted. That doesn't seem likely.

Teams not alive in the championship bracket are the only ones who can make add/drop moves. Blind bidding dollars have been adjusted as specified in the rules.

Blind bidding will take place at 3pm ET on Thursday. FCFS free agent adds will begin at 6pm ET on Thursday.
39Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 10:24
In the Consolation bracket, the first round loser with the most points in that game will advance to fill the open spot. Pairings may be manually adjusted to avoid a repeat matchup.
40twolves
      Dude
      ID: 811161317
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 17:05
Guru,

In #38 I assume you mean only those still alive in championship round can add/drop players. So after loss (in championship round) your roster is frozen for other consolation games. Thanks
41GO
      ID: 39727167
      Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 19:43
Regarding players going back to free agent pool when same day add/dropped as opposed to waivers (which is standard in all formats of RIFC and G20/24 and 101 leagues) is that it is very difficult to police because its hard to really judge the grey area of intent on if a person add/dropped just to block someone.

Example - I'm playing you in G24. Your QB gets in pregame warmups Sunday. No other starting QB's out there of course. So I add his backup to block you... but then cut him loose so I don't waste my own spot. He's frozen past game time. You call me out -- you can't prove intent. I can just say oh... I changed my mind and decided to do something different. It would have to be blatant to be prove intent.

So players back to the free agents prevents all that. They are just back where they started.
42Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Dec 09, 2015, 09:36
[40] yeah, I see that I said it backwards. You are correct.
43Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Dec 15, 2015, 11:54
Three of the top four seeds advanced in round 1. The only upset was twolves (6) over Aussie Dbacks (3).

In the consolation bracket, seeds 1, 4, and 5 all won. The 3 seeds also advances as the top scoring loser from the first round.
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