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113WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 12:41
Did we end up moving the deadline? Are we past the new one too?
114GO
      ID: 19101309
      Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 13:39
Nothing was adjusted. I'd be up for a vote on if we extend to next weeks games, given there is one more week of bye weeks.

Anyone against proposing it at least?
115Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 13:51
this is absurd. by the time we actually put this thing to vote, we'll be missing the 2022 deadline.

Let's get this changed now for the betterment of the league - it's not the sort of thing that needs a vote, let's just move the deadline this season to 9 am on 12/12 or something so we can get in some trades before the final games of the season.

Then we can discuss next season and what an appropriate date is for a season that extends into January.
116Perm Dude
      ID: 561143715
      Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 16:43
Move it if we can. Don't think we need a vote since it would merely match the settings we already have had, just to the new schedule.
117WG
      ID: 89402220
      Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 19:23
Agreed, ample time already for someone to post opposition.
118Doug
      ID: 5310121411
      Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 19:27
Re: 112, our regular season ends in 6 days, on December 13th. I don't think we should be trading in the last couple weeks of the fantasy regular season (for the reasons stated in #111, it has a negative effect to the quality of the league to do so IMO, for the same reasons we don't allow trading during the fantasy playoffs). I think we (probably?) all agree that a trading deadline line should be drawn somewhere, it's just a question of where.

But the "handwringing" and "pearl clutching" could also be described as the grave offense of "disagreeing with you". I can't tell if you're being intentionally obtuse about this or are legitimately conflating the NFL regular season with the fantasy regular season, but either way moving the trade deadline a week DOES indeed move the deadline to "the last week or two of the [fantasy] regular season."
119R-Money
      ID: 31128257
      Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 19:55
The Trade extension doesn't really move the needle for me in terms of things that need to happen right now for a few reasons.

I do agree with Trees earlier sentiment and support immediate migration to slack (or similar) for majority of activity and important communications
120Jim
      ID: 491114723
      Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 00:14
I'm ok moving it,with the idea that we double check all dates in the off-season to avoid further issues
121Tree
      ID: 571142323
      Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 07:52
Re 118 - the trade deadline should have moved when the NFL scschedule added a week. Most leagues moved their deadline. We neglected to.

Re 119 - I'm glad we agree here, and I suspected we would. I know you tried to get a discord server going previously, but alas, it's ignored by this league mostly.

But we do need to migrate to discord or slack, not only because it's a more efficient way to do business, but because these boards aren't going to be around forever.
122Doug
      ID: 5310121411
      Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 11:33
Yes, and now that the issue of trade deadline is on the table, I think we should have an actual discussion of what we think the ideal deadline would be, not just a knee-jerk "well the season is one week longer so let's move it back one week" response. That's one possible outcome, but not the only one.
123Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 14:49
agreed, for the longer term. for the shorter term, the time is now.
124skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 17:24
I think we all agree it was an oversight that the league missed adjusting a few settings with the added week of NFL games this year which increased our regular season by 1 week. The Trade deadline should have been adjusted to the Friday before week 13 instead of week 12 as it was previously if we kept everything the same, but that date also passed in the meantime last Friday. Now the discussion is focused around extending the deadline a few more days to allow any last minute trades before the start of week 14. I don't think I feel strongly either way at this point, even though there were several teams reaching out to me about potential trades a couple weeks ago right before the deadline passed.

I feel like I agree with Doug in general that it doesn't seem right to allow trades all the way up until the final week of the regular season, and that the best time is still a few weeks prior when more teams are still in the playoff race. The NFC playoff teams are all set now, but the AFC still has 6 teams I believe all going for 3 remaining spots which is not typical for the final week. I'm sure there are several teams that are sellers now that wouldn't have been a week or two ago, and that could definitely affect the final week playoff race and seeding.

I'm also down to use any group messaging platform to increase league communication. I have Slack, Discord and GroupMe that I use for various other activities and groups, so whatever everyone likes best is fine with me.
125R-Money
      ID: 31128257
      Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 08:24
*Feel free to double check the below - raise any issues before Thursday*

Playoff Seeds
NFC

1 - Vikings 23-5
2 - 49ers 17-11
3 - Packers 20-8
4 - Seahawks 18-10

Matchups - Vikings/Seahawks and Niners/Packers

AFC

1 - Browns 20-8
2 - Ravens 15-13
3 - Bills 15-13
4 - Broncos 14-14

Matchups - Browns/Broncos and Ravens/Bills

The Ravens Edged out the Bills for the AFC East title 1567.6 to 1479.18 in points for

The broncos edged out the Bengals and Jaguars for the 4th seed with 1522.88 to 1520.31(bengals) and 1492.6(Jaguars)

Remaining seeds. 9-16 seeded for the Wannabe bracket, 16-20 for the toilet bowl - No impact on standings. Add/Drops/Waivers locked for these teams.

9 - Eagles 15-13
10 - Bengals 14-14
11 - Jaguars 14-14
12 - Panthers 14-14
13 - Chiefs 13-15
14 - Texans 13-15
15 - Bears 12-16
16 - Cardinals 11-17
17 - Cowboys 10-18
18 - Raiders 10-18
19 - Jets 8-20
20 - Lions 4-24

Vikings - Most points scored with 1698.45 which looks to be a regular season league high.

Vikings - 23 wins, New League high

Lions - 24 Losses, Ties League high (2016 Jaguars, 2013 seahawks, 2014 Panthers)
126R-Money
      ID: 31128257
      Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 08:31
Congrats to everyone on a great year. Good Luck all in the playoffs.
127skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 13:54
Thanks Rick, everything looks good to me.

One thing to keep a watch on is any adjustments that are made on Thursday when final scores are posted from last week. There's a chance that the outcome of a few of those games could affect some playoff standings. Balt and Buffalo could swap places if Balt were to lose that close game, but the playoff matchup would remain the same. Bengals could overtake Broncos for last playoff spot if there are any scoring changes that amount to a swing of more than 2.5 points.
128R-Money
      ID: 31128257
      Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 08:25
AFC Championship
Broncos vs Ravens

NFC Championship
Vikings vs Packers

GL all and keep an eye out for those covid news alerts.
129Bobo
      ID: 8231213
      Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 10:34
A new champion will be crowned!

Also, an owner will win a title for the first time.

Let's go!
130Judy
      ID: 311121717
      Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 13:18
I think the AZ Cards should get an award for most points scored AGAINST: 3207.24

Next closest was Houston at 3114.29.

Also my average points FOR per game was 107.2, which was seventh best.

Lousy luck it would seem in the matchups.
131skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 13:25
Judy - Sounds like your team plays terrible fantasy defense haha! I've been there in the past as well. 2 years in a row I was the 2nd highest scoring team out of everyone and just missed the playoffs both times. In recent years it seems I've been on the other end of that more times, so it all goes in cycles.
132skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 13:32
This is yours to win Bobo, the Vikings team is a juggernaut! I will have to get extremely lucky to win this weekend I know so hoping I can get some big games out of a few guys.

As a side note, it's funny that I ended up with the Packers as a franchise as I was originally a last minute replacement for another manager right before the inaugural draft 20 years ago. Growing up in the Carolinas, I would have opted for the Panthers if given a chance, but I've come to like this team even though I don't root for the real Packers. In actuality, my wife's family is all from Minnesota and Vikings season ticket holders, so when I told them yesterday before we flew home from Minneapolis that my Packers were playing the Vikings in fantasy, they said they might disown me :)


133Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 13:39
Funny thing... I was the worst team in the league by leaps and bounds, just finishing out the string, but then my team put it together when it doesn't matter anymore and put 110 on the board. LOL.

MY RB position put up 42 points in the regular season. 42 points.
134GO
      ID: 19101309
      Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 13:40
Do we still have a trophy floating around?
135Judy
      ID: 311121717
      Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 16:23
GO

You get an allowance ($20/25) to find and design your own trophy. Then you take a picture of it and post it here.
136Judy
      ID: 311121717
      Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 16:24
I lost four games by under 5 points…😢
One game by 2.
137Judy
      ID: 311121717
      Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 19:20
Since my roster is frozen, I cannot move Williams off the covid taxi squad. Not cheating just letting you know.
138R-Money
      ID: 31128257
      Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 22:39
Judy - you can still drop players. Just cannot add.
139R-Money
      ID: 31128257
      Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 14:20
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays everyone.
140Judy
      ID: 311121717
      Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 15:25
Figured it out. Warning was cannot drop/add.
So I didn’t try it.
Could still drop, though.

All good.

Happy holidays all.
141Bobo
      ID: 36211018
      Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 20:35
Alright...COVID can't stop me...yet.

And for the guy who directed me to this league, it appears it is Tree vs. myself for the 'Chip next weekend. I love it.

Let's GO!
142Tree
      ID: 571142323
      Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 23:48
Couldn't be more excited to be taking on a long time real world friend - one I steered to this league - in our Super Bowl.

LFG!
143skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 16:26
Good luck to both of you!

I was disappointed to have my lowest scoring week all season in the semi-finals, but as expected I needed to have some big games from a few players to beat Bobo and that didn't happen. I'm just glad I didn't make any of those last ditch trades that were being discussed. I would have still come up a little short and would have given away even more young talent to make an unsuccessful run to the championship.
144GO
      ID: 19101309
      Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 11:41
Tree, a great friend would do finger poke of doom and let Bobo win!
145Bobo
      ID: 8231213
      Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 14:57
GO - he's not Nash and I'm not Hogan, brother!

I can't wait for Sunday!
146GO
      ID: 19101309
      Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 12:46
I always saw Tree as more of a Piper... so look out for coconuts
147Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 17:21
While I've always had a Flair for the gold, I've always felt that I had the audacity of Gino Hernandez, the tenacity of Bruiser Brody, and the viscoelasticity of Dusty Rhodes.

Now let's get funky like a monkey!
148GO
      ID: 19101309
      Mon, Jan 03, 2022, 10:00
Kind of crazy we had both MVP QB candidates in the final. Dalvin puts up a clunker... and it all comes down to A KICKER?!
149Bobo
      ID: 36211018
      Mon, Jan 03, 2022, 20:20
Yeah, I'm so miffed about Cook's non-performance last night. I left a lot of points on my bench also, which would have taken guts to play as starters before hand. That's the type of move that could win or lose a championship.

I did quick math and kickers are averaging about 7.4 points this week in head to head games. Boswell hits (or exceeds) that for Tree and I'm toast. I am team No FG tonight for Steel City.
150R-Money
      ID: 31128257
      Mon, Jan 03, 2022, 23:00
Boswell nailed a 50 yarder with 9:45 left in the 4th that should wrap it up as Tree takes the lead.

What a Finish.
151Bobo
      ID: 8231213
      Tue, Jan 04, 2022, 10:04
Congrats to Tree! Heck of a run from the 8th seed.

I already can't wait for next season to compete again.
152ttucowboy
      ID: 1501449
      Tue, Jan 04, 2022, 10:14
Congrats Tree!
153promize
      ID: 45032419
      Tue, Jan 04, 2022, 20:38
Nice tree! Congrats.

Well, not sure... has anyone ever gone 3 straight years in this league? It took me forever to build a team to do it.

Karmra, Carr, the duo Texan QB's definitely let me down this year, in certain weeks. Cooper let me down in the final games. Evans on COVID hurt...
154skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Tue, Jan 04, 2022, 23:15
Congrats on the run Tree! I'm assuming without checking that your team is the lowest win pct in the 20 years of this league to win the Super Bowl, so major Cinderella story there!
155skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Tue, Jan 04, 2022, 23:26
I guess there's some silver lining that after the worst showing of the season last week, I came back with my best week of the season to take 3rd. Also crazy that with the 3rd highest scoring average this season, my team never had highest week. Just shows you how hard it is to manage week to week especially this year with all the Covid games missed and uncertainty. There were some recent weeks where if I had a guy going on Thur or Sat I would start them over another player with a late Sun or Mon games since it was a risk they might end up missing a game due to testing protocols.
156WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Jan 05, 2022, 12:19
Congrats on the win, Tree! You've crushed the last two drafts and with smart adds and trades have assembled a heck of a team. From talking to you I understand that you had a tough choice between starting Eli Mitchell and Chase Edmonds. Mitchell outscored Edmonds by 10.8, meaning if you started Edmonds you'd have suffered a heart breaking 116.8-116.32 loss. Other choices obviously factored in too but that was a championship call right there.

Congrats also to Bobo for a great year and 2nd place finish. You've compiled a monster core that should continue to be strong moving forward.

Thanks to all that helped run the league this year and keep us afloat. Looking forward to another fun year next year.
157WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Jan 05, 2022, 12:22
Also should be noted Tree finished 1st here after finishing 3rd in G20 Baseball earlier this year. Quite the fantasy year!
158Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 12:20
Thanks everyone - looks like having the audacity of Gino Hernandez, the tenacity of Bruiser Brody, and the viscoelasticity of Dusty Rhodes paid off.

this has been a long time coming. I've had a number of teams that were near the top in scoring, but also near the top of points allowed, so kept missing the playoffs.

This season it felt like it was coming together, then would crash and burn, and then the right players stepped up at the right times after i eked into the playoffs - i played the four last place teams over the last two weeks and managed a 1-3 record. (Leave it to Judy to explode for her season high of 147+ points against me in week 13 when i had my second highest point total of the season.)

And of all things to make a difference in the finals, it was a kicker - Chris Boswell - that i actually considered dropping for a different kicker Sunday morning.

Thanks to everyone in this league, from those who run it to those who play an active role, and special thanks to the BrainTrust of fantasy nerds in this league i talk to nearly every day, as well as my opponent in the finals, Tom Bobo.

Tom and I have been real world friends since about 2004, maybe 2005.

We met over our mutual love of a wrestling company called Ring of Honor, and along with a bunch of other miscreants, actually traveled around the country to go to this company's shows, the way some folks might travel around the country to see the Dead or Phish.

We bonded fast and quickly became friends, and over the years experienced highs so high that you relish experiencing with friends, and lows so low that only the support of friends can guide you through.

It's been awhile, but looking forward to the next time we can ride again Tom!

And hopefully looking forward to granting you that rematch clause and seeing you in the Super Bowl next season, although I imagine there are 18 other people here in this Battle Royale who might have something to say about that!



159R-Money
      ID: 31128257
      Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 15:19
Congrats again Tree and Everyone.

Unfortunately something else we did not get to discuss or alter in the offseason was the pay outs.

Since we desperately need to update the constitution and the fact that we have a surplus of funds it seems the fairest method is to maintain the payouts of last season.

Based on that below are the final standings and winnings of the 2021 season with the Draft in reverse order.

A post will follow concerning the overall league finances and current money owed to each manager.

If you would like a payout in full or in partial please reach out to me via Email - Rickmahan@yahoo.com

**IF you notice any issues or have any disputes to the below please bring to my attention as soon as possible. Deadline for raising disputes is 1/15/2022 at noon. **

1st: Broncos - $120
2nd: Vikings - $75
3rd: Packers - $50
4th: Ravens - $45
5th: 49ers - $40
6th: Browns - $35
7th: Seahawks - $30
8th: Bills - $25

9 - Eagles 15-13 - Lottery chance 0.9%
10 - Bengals 14-14 - Lottery chance 1.3%
11 - Jaguars 14-14 - Lottery chance 1.7%
12 - Panthers 14-14 - Lottery chance 2.3%
13 - Chiefs 13-15 - Lottery chance 3.2%
14 - Texans 13-15 - Lottery chance 4.3%
15 - Bears 12-16 - Lottery chance 5.9%
16 - Cardinals 11-17 - Lottery chance 8%
17 - Cowboys 10-18 - Lottery chance 10.8%
18 - Raiders 10-18 - Lottery chance 14.7%
19 - Jets 8-20 - Lottery chance 20%
20 - Lions 4-24 - Lottery chance 25%

"Trophy" budget to champion - Broncos - $20

Best Regular Season Record - Vikings - $10

Most Points total regular season - Vikings - $5

Most points last week of reg. season - Vikings - $5

Most points last week of whole season - Bengals - 5$

Wanna be Bracket champion - Cardinals - $5

Wannabe bracket high points last week - Bengals - 5$

Toilet bowl Champion - Jets - 5$

Toilet bowl high points last week - Jets 5$


160R-Money
      ID: 31128257
      Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 15:38
Budget Statement Jan 2022

If your team is listed below you are currently owed money by the league. I personally would prefer you request a payout, however you are more than welcome to maintain a "credit" as some of you have previously. As stated above - please let me know via Email if you would like a pay out, how to pay you out, and how much.

Please note that any partial dollar amounts have been rounded up on my discretion example being Cleveland previously had a 17.50 credit, now they have an 18 dollar credit.

Buffalo/Slizz - 45

Cincinnati/Young Roman - 75

Arizona/Judy - 5

Cleveland/CT/Craig - 53

Green Bay/Eric/Skinneej - 55

San Francisco/Twolves/Paul - 40

NY Jets/GO/Ryan - 10

Baltimore/Swinganamiss - 45

Denver/Tree/Josh - 140

Minnesota/Tom/Bobo - 95

Seattle/Dirk/Promize - 30


League statement:
Sept 2021 balance = 999

Balances previously owed to managers = 108
Prize Money to be paid from 2021 season = 485
Projected 2022 My Fantasy League Site fee = 70

January 2022 Balance = 336


The primary concern is that we need to update our payout table as we will be taking in less money due to shrinking down to 20 teams and several awards/credits aren't officially in the constitution but are good ideas to potentially continue moving forward.

We also have a nice reserve so we dont have to be perfectly balanced (money in = money out) but we should get to that point in the future.
161Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 18:11
Curiously, MFL seems to not have any data for, or acknowledgement of, week 18. I'm wondering if there's a setting that can be changed to include week 18 in player stats, as they could be important for evaluation purposes.
162Judy
      ID: 5022912
      Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 16:24
Season 2021 is over. Thanks to my TPA, I did not do well.

Here’s my projected 2022 keeper list:

QB. Murray
RB. Michel, J. Williams
WR. Diggs, Landry, c Patterson, (Lazard, Reagor, Patrick)
TE. Gronk (if he does not retire…)
LB. Hicks
DB Byard

Liking the look of that core…just sayin’
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