Please use this thread for all discussion during the draft. Please don't mention any draft-eligible players.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 11:22
The draft chart is posted, so the draft may begin.
As always, please email the next 3 when you make your pick. I put a link to the teams and owners that has their contact information, so please refer to that if you don't know the email of the next 3 that are up.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 12:04
Well so much for free picks and getting the draft started early. The clock has been turned on.
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gshade
ID: 43725129 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 12:20
sorry guys, got stuck on a call
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 12:37
I'm very interested in trading up if someone wants to deal.
Make sure you pick up your players on CBS!
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Valkyrie Dude
ID: 47042413 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 13:06
Not exactly who I thought I'd be getting.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 13:14
Well thus far I've predicted the all teh right players, but the order has thrown me a smidge. Gshade's trade for Palmer changed things completely.
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beastiemiked
ID: 10432914 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 13:38
Not exactly who I thought I'd be getting.
Not dissing people that picked before you but in general, RB's are way overvalued in this league. Since you only have to start 1 they don't carry near as much value as in leagues where you are required to start 2. Plus, their careers are usually a lot shorter than QB's. A franchise QB >>>>>> franchise RB in this league. Most people think Bradford is the best QB to come out in 2 years. I guess it remains to be seen if he's the next Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf.
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 13:47
I'd be willing to move down a few spots, if anyone has a big hankering for spot 1.10. it's coming up next. ref, you're pretty far down, but you can send me an offer.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 14:08
Am out until after 7 EDT -- since I have 2 in a row I will need to see who is picked -- too far away now to put forth a Q. Once I get home, I can probably pick in 30 minutes. Will keep you posted here when I get back.
Cardinals -- Picks 1.23 and 1.24
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 15:09
I'm not sure how much i'm gona be around for a little bit. Email me if anything needs a commish help. If anyone is aorund, please feel free to email who is up and remind them in case they didn't get emails etc. At times people are on their phone and forget to email the next three.
Not everyone has been able to email the next 3. If you are unable to do so can you please ask someone else to do it? Ccrider didn't have access to this thread and never got the email that he was up so it cost him and all of us a lot of time. Also, if someone hasn't picked for awhile please email them again just in case.
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Frick
ID: 97321912 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 20:17
I e-mailed Pete, can anyone confirm that his listed e-mail is up to date? Or did anyone get a queue from him?
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Peter N.
ID: 47322421 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 21:27
I'm here and will pick in a few. I just got home from work and forgot to leave a queue. My ba
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 21:27
Frick - that's a good email address on the CBS site. I'll try and text him to see what's what.
Well, I've waited enuf for one night. Anyone take a two-person queue?
Toral
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Frick
ID: 97321912 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 22:34
Wow, I had contemplated Tate with that pick, but was hoping he would drop into the 2nd round.
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 22:38
I would have taken Tate if skineej hadn't.
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Valkyrie Dude
ID: 47042413 Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 23:08
I thought my choice would be Spiller or McClain. Not sure which I would have taken but I was leaning towards McClain.
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 02:51
1.20 2 man q sent out to multiple managers with email notifications to forward.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 08:11
Ref & Cards - I sent u both a 3 player queue as I have a 9;00ct appt. Sorry for not giving ya'll the heads up,
ds
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Frick
ID: 97321912 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 08:46
Anyone around to take a queue for today? I'm going to be on the road for most of the day and while I will be able to check in on my phone, it will be sporadic.
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Promize@Home
ID: 87451913 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 08:48
I'm here all day till about 6pm Eastern time for any queue's
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 09:11
Someone have mjd's queue for 1.20?
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Frick
ID: 97321912 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 09:11
I sent you a queue with instructions Promize. If some one could pick up my players for me, I would appreciate it. If not, I'll try to do it in the afternoon when I get to the hotel, or it will late after I get back from the game.
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Peter N.
ID: 47322421 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 09:15
One problem I noticed with the draft chart. It says I gave up my 5th for a 7th in the Cundiff trade. Well, I went back and looked and I traded Cundiff to the Chargers so its actually the other way around. It wouldn't make sense for me to trade a kicker and also drop two rounds in the draft for nothing. Please update the chart to me getting Charger's 5th for my 7th.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 09:19
Promize - can I shoot u my 3 player queue for 1.22 JIC Ref & Cards are unavailable? We're about to scoot in 10 min.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 09:29
Peter - u coming over for the double eviction tonight? We're fine, but the dog's drooping though. Maybe he'll get a steroid shot and perk up. lol
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 09:33
Proomize - Again, I'm sending a blind queue w/o your permission. I apologize, but there seems to be a lack of people around this AM. I did use the address in <26>. Thanks,
ds
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Promize@Home
ID: 87451913 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 09:43
No Problem, anyone can send their queues... I'm working from home today so it is fine.
I'll be here till about 6pm Eastern time tonight.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 09:58
>i>One problem I noticed with the draft chart. It says I gave up my 5th for a 7th in the Cundiff trade. Well, I went back and looked and I traded Cundiff to the Chargers so its actually the other way around. It wouldn't make sense for me to trade a kicker and also drop two rounds in the draft for nothing. Please update the chart to me getting Charger's 5th for my 7th.
I don't have admin rights on here so I can't edit it without reposting which would mess things up. Just remember to bring it up again as that pick gets near and we'll post a correction then.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 10:16
q picks made. Apparently mjd send a q but he sent two emails and i saw the one "on top" and all it had was his next three teams behind him. Gmail is great, but I just missed it. So 3 picks made in a row and Judy has a double shot so we should pick up quickly now.
I'm talking to Pete on IM.
11/04/09 10:30 am ET San Diego Chargers Jones, Dhani LB CIN - AddedCundiff, Billy K BAL - Dropped 9
So this proves that Cundiff was sent to Chargers and then cut, so it appears that I simply got it backwards and I'll announce this in draft thread and hope that we don't forget when sending out emails.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 10:29
Does anyone notice something strange about the starting lineup. I have 2 RB in and it says "empty RB".
Our line up is 1 = RB, 1 = WR, 1 = TE, 2 = Flex RB/WR/TE right?
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Peter N.
ID: 47322421 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 10:30
Q for Round 2 has been sent to DS and Ref. If you see that I'm coming up, please e-mail one of them instead of me. I'll be MIA for the remainder of the day. Thanks!
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 10:39
I'm up and considering. Will pick in the next 30 minutes, I think. A couple of guys I thought would still be around are not, and nearly all the guys I thought would be gone are.
slizz-blackberry
ID: 32745617 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 11:11
Please note I own the third pick in the second round.
Sorry for any confusion.
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youngroman Donor
ID: 02934823 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 11:17
queue for 2.05 sent to Promize. I will attend a soccer game and should be back around 4pm ET, unless it goes into extra time or penalties.
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Valkyrie Dude
ID: 47042413 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 14:20
I am offerring 3.02, 4.02 and 5.02 for 2011 and/or 2012 draft choices or anyone who I am pretty sure will be a keeper for me in 2012.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 14:37
After all that, Slizz ends up taking the Browns D. To his credit, he did try really hard to trade down.
Now we have to speed up the draft.
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 14:41
Browns D is a great pick. Maybe not a second round pick, IMO, but they are the best D still on the board and could be a top ten D/ST this year.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 15:46
That's the point, he tried to trade down because they shouldn't have gone at 2.03.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:16
I am out until 10 or so -- no time to research a pick
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Promize@Home
ID: 87451913 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:29
I need someone to take Fricks last queue and mine. I'll be out for the night or at least a few hours I believe.
Anyone?
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:38
I 'll be around.
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Promize@Home
ID: 87451913 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:43
Thanks B7 Sent... let me know it comes through ok please.. Leaving in 15
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:47
Fricks was for 2.09. Do you have another one
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Promize@Home
ID: 87451913 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:49
Wrong manager... Fricks = Vikings...
that was Bears = CCRider
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:51
OK. I got it figured out.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 19:17
PeterN's pick made via email queue for 2.14.
Vikings Packers Saints notified via CBS email for next 3 picks.
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beastiemiked
ID: 31152921 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 20:00
Sent a queue to building
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 20:22
OK. I have q's for Promize and bmd. 2.18 and 2.19.
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 20:26
Sending a queue to Building 7 for 2.17 so he can pick the trifecta.
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 20:28
OK. I got it. Glad to do it.
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 20:30
Thanx. Need to get some sleep.
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 21:22
Ready at 2.20
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 23:22
pick made for 2.22
emailed Cardinals, Raiders & Browns for next 3 picks.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 23:32
I'm workin' on it -- shoudl be ready in about 30 min...
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 23:54
Gads -- you guys have taken all the offensive guys that score points, so I decided to get a guy who is a guarantee for points week in and week out, esp as the Iggles struggle in the red zone. All the other off players were projected to have fewer points than Akers. so although he is a PK, he beats them all.
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Promize@Home
ID: 87451913 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 06:23
Haha, Judy took my kicker I've had since day one of this league... Booooo. :)
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 07:18
You must not know about my Iggles crush!
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 10:17
I emailed Nerf and reminded that he was up for two picks. Hopefully he doesn't time out and get them skipped.
Let's all be proactive and email guys who have been on the clock for a few. Please don't rely on me because I can't be here all the time.
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Peter N.
ID: 47322421 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 10:20
E-mail sent to Ref and ds for Round 3. Thanks fellas. I'll check back around 8:30pm CST.
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Nerfherders
ID: 347242717 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 10:47
Sorry about the delay - I hope that circumstance doesn't happen again. My pick came up overnight and I don't usually show up to work until 10:30 EDT (in mountain time here). I got the email right before I went to bed, but I was too tired to figure out a queue.
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 11:19
Ref, I know the clock turns off at midnight, but I don't see in the rules whether that is midnight EST. Could you clarify?
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 11:23
it is EST
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 11:26
In post <47> of the supplemental draft, Hernandez, TE, plays for NE, not for NR . No doubt I didn't have my cheaters on when I posted that. Can't fix it sorry.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 12:43
68: For Consistency, everything we do will always be ET.
To get through this draft before the Friday of Labor Day, we need to avg about 30 picks per day. We're obviously about a half round behind pace already and today and tomorrow could slow us down even more.
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 13:32
counteroffer sent to Raiders.
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 13:38
OK. Offer accepted. Raiders are on the clock for 3.10. Please confirem and select.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 14:04
73: No offer has been agreed to or accepted by a commish. I have IMs out to Doug w/o response as of yet.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 14:16
Doug got back to me via IM and has confirmed the trade and it has been processed in the draft thread. Doug is now OTC for 3.10.
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Doug
ID: 426422715 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 14:35
Sorry was in a meeting, took a few minutes to reply. Pick was posted a while ago and next 3 have been emailed.
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Doug
ID: 426422715 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 14:48
Slackjawed... re: Edwards, yeah, I saw you only had Cassel on roster and figured you might go for a 2nd starter here. I'm sort of in the same boat though... even though I had 2 QBs it's basically just the combined "AZ QB".
Of course, no guarantee Trent maintains his starterdom, but it's a risk worth taking at this point in the draft imo.
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Doug
ID: 426422715 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 14:52
Haha... and if Edwards had been gone I probably would have gone with Arenas... except that it looks like B7 would have took Arenas AND you would have took Edwards. Yikes. Normally by 3rd round the draft picks start to get less predictable. (And Barnett was a good pick-up here too).
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 14:57
I was taking Arenas at 3.21. This guy has no hype. Not even a starter. Thought for sure he'd slide to me once Slizz didn't take him. I took him in RIFC as did Slizz. Back to the drawing board. Got some astute managers in this league for sure.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 15:01
Brian Urlacher, LB, Chi
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 15:02
just practicing :)
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Valkyrie Dude
ID: 47042413 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 15:19
Exactly what is the Jets/Buffalo trade What else did Buffalo get for Romo besides Ryan?
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 15:21
nice bold effect (;-Þ)
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Great One
ID: 137262713 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 15:50
Romo for Ryan. Thats it. And I wouldn't have done it if I didn't also have Ryan in F101, but I gotta diversify.
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Valkyrie Dude
ID: 47042413 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 15:56
Wow I obviously do not understand this league- First Carson Palmer, now this- the future asking price for my qb's just tripled
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 15:58
QB's are gold. Try playing without one any you'll know.
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Great One
ID: 137262713 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 16:05
Well, Ryan is a tier lower than Romo of course, but is 5 years younger and about to enter his prime years in a good offense, and plays more than half his games in a dome. This is why I have him in so many places.
Buffalo is continuing with getting younger and younger... Romo would be approaching the end of his window by the time all the Bills young players hit their prime.
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beastiemiked
ID: 10432914 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 16:27
Just got here. Pick in a few.
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beastiemiked
ID: 10432914 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 16:38
I'm cornering the market on bad DST. I actually hate Tampa's D for the year but weeks 15,16 and 17 they face Washington, Detroit, and Seattle.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 16:59
Actually, Val, you are absolutely right. I asked Slizz the same question. Don't get me started on age. Gshade way overpaid for Palmer, but I was so sick of seeing lowball offers for quality players, I was just happy to see someone finally give up a high pick for a nice player. But, like Cards said, there are 24 teams and 32 starting QBs. Most will only have one qb and everyone has a bye week. Injuries happen and teams scramble.
But everyone values players differently. Everyone has a different view of trades. Some in this league will only trade if they think they are getting the better deal. Some won't trade a stud player no matter what they are getting in return. Some view the draft as starting over rather than starting in round 10 (obviously some rookies and a couple others have higher than 10 round value perhaps). I am still astonished at some managers keeping less than ideal keepers when they could upgrade big time at a fraction of the price they are worth, but I digress.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 17:30
Ref & Cards - sent u both a 2 player queue as I'm drafted for shopping & dinner for the next few hours.
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Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 47227122 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 17:35
Ref, Doug (78/79) - Hah, I actually picked up Arenas in RIFC too. So looks like us g24'ers have him locked up. Wasn't looking in his direction though at this point yet. But Edwards getting snatched from my grasp definitely threw me for a loop.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 17:41
91: DS, I actually got your email after I had picked. It's funny too because I kept going back and forth on those two players you listed (1. Crosby 2, Longwell). I really really like Crosby, but think with Favre that Longwell might get more opps. Crosby has a much bigger leg but does miss some of those two. Def. two of the top Ks in football. Thing is, I wanted to wait on a K until later, but not having a 4th rounder def. changed my thinking. Last year I had Crosby here and Longwell in RIFC and both were really good.
92: I wanted to get him earlier in RIFC, but waited because I didn't think anyone would target him. Slizz took him high in RIFC and thought he'd get him here too, but when he didn't I was sure I'd get him. So yet another G24er got him in RIFC.
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Doug
ID: 426422715 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 17:54
Yeah, every year I am a bit surprised (although less with each passing year, lol) at the lack of willingness to trade draft picks for keeper upgrades... I mean, look at the players being taken round 3... and I know some people didn't want to even trade a 4th round pick for a keeper-quality player (and instead kept players who'd very likely still be on the draft board now). Not trying to call anyone out, but I think maybe it's the complexity and unusual structure of this league makes it tough for people to adjust their valuations. Not only is 4th round in our league really the 13th round, but because we have 24 teams it's sort of more like the 25th/26th round. To not get a solid keeper upgrade for a 25th round pick is a poor choice imo, but it happens year after year. *shrug*
As for QB value... yeah, if I hadn't traded Delhomme I would have been in a pickle... would I have dropped Delhomme? Probably not... Cole, the #1 DE? Ruud, a top-10 LB? Kinda funny to be considering that in favor of keeping the 30th or so ranked QB, lol. I actually might have wound up keeping 0 WRs instead. So, yeah, QBs definitely have their value exaggerated here.
Think of it this way, if it were a regular 12 team league (instead of 24), each team would be starting 2 QBs, 2 RBs, 2 WRs, 2 TE, and 4 RB/WR/TE flex. That's definitely a few extra flex spots than usual, but whatever, there's sort of a ton of guys who get "some" points, the guys you normally have on your roster to cover bye weeks and such... you just wind up starting them instead. But 2QBs is a game changer.
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 18:18
I had Arenas targeted in RIFC, but slizz took him 3 picks earlier. I figured he was looking at him in this league, too. Still some risk. He has to do most of the returns plus play some DB to be worthwhile. I'm hoping he's like Terrence McGee was.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 18:43
Who is this Arenas dude? I can't find much except that he is uncoachable...
Is his value in KOP and PR?
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 19:03
If you saw any Alabama games the last couple years, he was their return guy and DB. He's supposed to that for KC. I didn't know he was uncoachable, though. That may be Gilbert Arenas .
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youngroman Donor
ID: 02934823 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 19:19
queue for 4.05 sent to Ref and StLCards.
Judy, there are some others out there with a similar skill set/role that I never heard of before researching for the draft. I just don't know how much they are worth in this league because a return job can be gone soon. and without a return job these guys are worth nothing if they don't become starters. and a starter at DB needs to be studly to keep him.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 20:25
He's not a keeper, but just good value for a DB with his return yards. His value is in returns though he plays in Nickel so he could get points there as well.
I'm sending slizz q to cards and will send his and YRs to anyone who can take it.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 00:22
Watched the McCluster kid tonight v Iggles. Gonna be a playmaker -- reminds me of Sproles...
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 01:23
Looks like I got my Bironas pick in just in time. The league is emerging from its IDP jag to a short K dance party.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 12:05
It's tough to know who the KOR and PR guys are. There is no one place that lists them. The only place I've found is each team's depth charts, but some do not post these until after final cuts.
Anyone willing to give me a clue (for next year of course...)?
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Peter N.
ID: 47322421 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 13:39
Please remember to pick up your players when you get a chance. Thanks
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Great One
ID: 15751159 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 14:00
Judy, I think the problem with return guys is nobody really knows for sure, so many of those are up in the air right til opening day.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 14:18
102: Judy, there are several sites I have found and a lot are contradictory or just plain wrong or not updated. Some teams use several different guys and even changes. That's why when you get someone who looks to be studly and plays on D too, you have to consider him. Still may not get enough points to merit a roster spot though.
We need to pick up the pace. I've been swamped, but will try to get the c clock chart up. That always seems to motivate us.
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 14:29
Also, many sites (like CBS) don't include return yardage in a player's projected stats. I don't want to name undrafted players, but I had a guy last year who rarely touched the ball on offense, but still gave me about 5 FP/game just from his return game. For some players, that extra amount is the difference between a mid-round or late-round pick (or undrafted, for that matter).
Or a guy like WR Danny Amendola, who was good for 326 receiving yards last year (probably not worth drafting for that). But he had almost 2000 return yards, which puts him in a nice position to help a team out.
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 14:41
The picking delay was caused by me holding my nose while I tried to find the "best of the worst" DST.
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Doug
ID: 426422715 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 15:21
I'm at 4.21 but not sure who I'd pick, I'm out with the gf for a few hours so will need to get back to computer this evening if it gets to me by then. Just giving y'all a heads up.
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 15:44
I'm stepping out for a few. I'll bring my laptop and should have access for 4.20
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 15:54
Not having a 4th round pick has caused me all kinds of issues. I'd have been able to get who I wanted and still getting a decent K here. Oh well. With that said, I still might be interested in trading up. I do have n extra pick and could package a 2 for 1 draft pick exchange perhaps.
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Great One
ID: 15751159 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 16:15
Amendola, steal of the draft! :)
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Peter N.
ID: 47322421 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 16:36
If we didn't have return yards, Jacoby Jones wouldn't have been a keeper for me. He's been a nice addition as a result of the new scoring. :-)
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 18:05
Please pick up your players! Many people depend on CBS to show them who is available. Important in this deep league.
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mjd
ID: 77392815 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 18:16
amen, ref. i'm not on my computer and can't send the emails to next 3 for some reason.
sorry
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beastiemiked
ID: 31152921 Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 18:35
I'm away. Can't pick up my kicker.
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Great One
ID: 15751159 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 09:40
picking shortly... GO
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 10:15
Usually, I've been able to be around more than this season and I'm constantly pestering guys to pick and telling them they are going to time out, etc. I've not been able to do that this season and our draft is suffering because of it. We're not doing horribly, but we're a round behind by our normal standards. If there are others who can assist, we'd all appreciate that.
Remember, if someone times out, your clock starts at that time. I'm going to have to make time to get this c clock up because there are going to be some issues coming up later in the draft for some as it stands.
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beastiemiked
ID: 10432914 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 12:50
GO, I like Amendola a lot. He was a great pickup for me last year. I thought about picking him in both the 2nd and 3rd rounds but decided I needed options at D/ST. After Avery was diagnosed with a year ending injury I wanted to trade up but ultimately had a bunch of stuff I had to do Friday and Saturday so couldn't propose anything to anybody.
Rams are still fairly deep at receiver even after the Avery injury and they shouldn't be nearly as bad on defense this year so his return yards will be cut a little. Still a great pickup in the 4th round. Wish someone besides you got him.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 12:58
I totally forgot I had pick 5.03. That messed up my entire draft strategy. I could have taken Thomas there (Great pick Cards) and still got a really nice K at 5.03. Probably could have done it anyways and waited until 5.21. Oh well. Hopefully my picks work out. Thomas is sort of a risk (high) reward type, but I looked at him hard even in the 1st round. Then hard again in the 2nd. Then in the 3rd I agonized about it, but ultimately went with the sure thing. I'd have definitely taken him at 5.03 if he was still there. I took the best IDP on the board IMO, so it might work out better this way afterall.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 16:06
I've got the Cumulative clock chart going. Going to post it up to where we are now and then will look to post it once per day for now.
I put the times in there with the info I had. I do make mistakes so hit me up if need be for a correction.
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 21:00
5.12 belongs to Pete. I sent him an email.
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Peter N.
ID: 47322421 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 21:03
I thought I get 5.20, not 5.12. From the draft grid, looks like 5.12 belongs to PD.
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 21:04
Yup, that's mine via trade.
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 21:19
My bad. I'm ready at 5.14
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Peter N.
ID: 47322421 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 21:32
mjd - As part of the Cundiff trade, I got your 5th round pick for my 7th. As a result, I have 5.14 and 5.20. You have 7.14 and 7.20.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 22:23
this is taking forever...
of course I am comparing it to the RIFC speed drafts on MFL...
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 22:36
This is pretty frustrating right now. I am not sure how many people will even be around come Friday night.
GO only has 2:19 mins left on his c clock.
I have emailed the next three again. We only have 13 picks today...on a Sunday. There's really nothing we can do except be diligent in emailing people and making timely picks.
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StLCards
ID: 36746177 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 22:44
sent a q to ref. I'm going to bed.
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 23:25
According to the draft pick chart Packers will time out for both 5.13 and 5.16 at 12:03 A.M. If 49ers and Chargers are ready to pick then we can move right down to me at 5.17. Ref has 49ers queue.
Are Chargers ready to pick or able to send a queue to me or ref? If not, I'll go to bed and maybe look in around noon tomorrow to see if I'm up yet.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 23:31
Actually, the clock freezes at midnight, so he won't time out until 8:03 am. I'm heading to bed soon and will forward Cards' q to someone.
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 23:54
Aaak. Forgot about that. Thanx, Ref.
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Peter N.
ID: 47322421 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 11:06
Queue for pick 6.14 sent to ref and ds. Thanks! I'll check back this evening.
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 11:40
I'm going to be running some errands for a couple of hours. Should be fine given the pace we're setting here, but I'll be back a little after one EST.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 12:14
Need about 10 min to catch up and I'll pick
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 12:32
emails sent to B7, GO, & PD for next 3 picks
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 12:56
Roy, Dan Connor was already picked at 3.08. You'll need to make another selection.
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Great One
ID: 347323011 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 13:16
I'm gonna be looking to move a WR for a comparably ranked RB... Miles Austin, Andre Johnson, Santonio Holmes all available.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 14:20
<137> That blows. I even did a search for Connor before picking. Didn't realize it was misspelled in the other pick. I'll pick again.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 14:38
Appreciate the phone call letting me know.
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Doug
ID: 426422715 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 15:54
Great One let's talk... I have RBs.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 16:13
There is going to be a gap in the clocks.
Somehow Nerf's pick at 2:31 got deleted. It may have been by mistake when DS was fixing some posts, but we won't be charging any time between 2:31 and 3:49 when cards was able to track down nerf to get his pick put back up. That last post to pick thing helped or no one would have known. It's no biggie. We've moved pretty well today so hopefully we can get going again.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 16:25
For some reason the c chart is looking all goofy depending what browser it appears in. If anyone has any solutions let me know. Cards and I have been working on it. Not sure how to remove that dark line under mjd. Have tried everything. The gridlines appear in one broswer, but not two others. Cards has some of the same issues but on different browsers. No biggie as we can still see the info. Just scratching my head.
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 17:25
Trade offer emailed to Kansas City.
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gshade
ID: 127383016 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 17:38
@145: confirmed.
Raven's 6.24 and 7.10
for
Chief's 6.08 and 8.08
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 17:42
Confirmed. Let me know when I can make pick 6.08 on the board now.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 18:58
Not sure what I could have done to effect the post, all I did was the "self edit this thread" which is at the end of the page. I deleted my post about 2 minutes later, I couldn't do anything else on the page.
Something for Guru to look into.
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youngroman Donor
ID: 02934823 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 19:02
how to remove the dark line below mjd: you need to change the class of the tr-tag before "mjds Chargers" from xl97113 to xl0113. at least this is the case in Opera where you easily can test this. I guess the initial problem is that the style within excel is not identical. you could try to copy the style from "bmds Texans" to "mjds Chargers" with the Format Painter. that may fix it.
anyone around to take a queue for 6.18? I still need to assemble it before I go to bed in a few minutes
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 19:17
I'll be around til 11:00 CDT.
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Ref
ID: 267432517 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 19:18
We can't change a pick. Once posted the pick is over.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 19:37
So what about me ref -- I did change my pick -- w/i about 2 minutes.... the next guy didn't pick until 24 min later -- let me know what I should do -- sorry -- dealing with a lot on the home front.
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Doug
ID: 426422715 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 19:44
I've certainly wanted to change picks moments after posting as well (and before next guy went), but believe in the past that has been disallowed so I've not tried... posting a pick is final. Pretty sure we've had this case in years past... although I could be remembering a different league.
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Ref
ID: 267432517 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 19:54
I'm on my phone. Can next 3 be emailed by someone? I have pete's q.
Unfortunately, when a legal pick is posted, it's final. Even an illegal pick continues the draft but can be repicked. Ihad a q for u judy but didn't know u were up.
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 20:03
Interesting. I would think that if the pick was changed before the next guy picks that would be OK. After all, the reason we don't want people changing picks after the draft moves on is that later picks adjust based upon the picks being made.
*Not* a big deal either way, but I don't see the harm in making a change before the next pick was made.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 20:15
I'll follow the rules and change my pick...
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 20:24
Peter N. is up. Ref and ds are supposed to have his queues.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 20:49
I am trying to get into CBS to do the drop/add but it keeps stalling out...will keep trying
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 20:56
Finally got in -- change made
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Frick
ID: 97321912 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 21:09
Glad I checked in, didn't receive any e-mails that I was up.
E-mailed the next 3. Did someone have a queue for YR?
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 21:37
I have a q for YR for 6.18
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 21:48
sorry Frick, It was my bad on the eMails. Brain freeze.
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Frick
ID: 97321912 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 21:52
no problem, it happens. It had just been so long since I picked I had almost forgot the draft was still going on.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 21:59
Thanks, I went ahead and emailed Green Bay Saints & Bengals.
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 22:32
Anyone take my 6.20 Q?
I'm here if it comes up tonight, but I'm out of pocket tomorrow unti about 2PM.
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 22:36
You can send it to me, mike. I'll be around tomorrow.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 22:43
Frick you had so many picks early, I thought your draft was over already! ;)
I thought Pete's pick was 15th and not 14th. Can't see everything on my phone.
I asked someone to email the next three and email me instead of Pete. Wish someone could have noticed. but it's all good.
I doubt if I'm on here long. Trying to come up with a q to send someone myself. Did you email both of skineej's accounts?
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 22:48
Thanks. I'm hoping for a couple more picks tonight.
I don't have enough guys for this slot yet. But I will later.
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Frick
ID: 97321912 Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 23:09
Yes, I e-mailed all of the accounts that were listed on CBS.
I wish I had traded for a 4th or 5th round pick. Round 2 was a little for a K, but 6 it is starting to get late.
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slizz Donor
ID: 43133920 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 12:22
RE: Romo for Ryan trade. I'm just not a Romo fan. I made it pretty known that I wanted Stafford instead of Romo...but at the end of the day I got my guy. I tried so hard to get Stafford instead but he just wasn't budging on him.
I think Ryan is a really low risk to outperform his projections of 3500 yards 22 TDs and 13 INTs. Dome 9 games guaranteed every year, young offense, and plenty of upside for the future as well.
As far as QB's, I have tried so hard to find one. 4 years in the league and I have gone through as many QB's as the Bears have.
Started with Favre -Traded Favre for a 3rd round pick + Mike Bell. -Traded down for Kellen Clemens. -Drafted Tarvaris Jackson & Gus Frerotte. -Traded for Trent Edwards (2009 1st round pick). -Picked up Alex Smith and dropped him...go figure, he starts the 2nd half and Cards has the #1 waiver priority -Picked up Matt Moore -Traded Matt Moore and alot of quality depth + my 3rd for Romo -Finally got a Tier 1 QB in Ryan straight up for Romo.
What a mess.
But hoarding QB's is a one way ticket to picking at the top of the lottery...just keep that in mind Valk.
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Slizz
ID: 58617623 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 12:32
bottom line, if you take over a bad team...it takes about 3 years to really put them in a position to succeed.
I took over the leagues worst franchise (historically) and finally have them in a position to where I feel I can make a run this year and for the long haul.
It involves risk-taking, trades where you might be giving up more than what you'll get in return, and luck.
I've won trades and lost trades:
Lost: 1st year, traded Favre for a 3rd & Mike Bell. I thought Favre was a 1 year rental and not worth much. Win: Traded Julius Jones (Starting in Dallas at the time) and Javon Walker (Starting in Denver) for Andre Johnson (right after his knee injury). Lost: Traded Ryan Grant & Roddy White for Deion Branch and a 1st. Deion busted out and the 1st was Tim Hightower. Lost: Traded a 1st for Trent Edwards. Anything involving Trent Edwards can't be good Win/Win: Traded Andre Johnson & David Hawthorne for Darren McFadden, Percy Harvin, & Jahvid Best (1.02). Win/Win: Traded Moore, Harrison, Meachem, & a 3rd round pick for Tony Romo.
Some sides win the trade, some lose, and sometimes both come away with a win/win situation. GO steamrolled to the championship and the Lions picked up a boatload of depth to help them compete this year and beyond.
Thats why I respect Shade giving up alot for Palmer...his team really came on strong last year due to Charles and Forsett putting up solid #'s. Combine that with a healthy Eddie Royal, solid TE in boss...he could finally make a run at the playoffs...and thats what its about.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 12:50
QB has been horrible for me every season until last. Hopefully Schaub is the answer. Keep in mind I won all those titles with scrub QBs. QB is not really the answer for this league.
GO is the real beneficiary of the QB hot potato. First he trades out of Roeth and his 4 to 6 game suspension straight up for Ryan. If that deal was offered to me and a draft pick I would have jumped at it if I was GO. Then Romo was offered to him straight up for Ryan. GO has been able to trade up twice now w/o giving up any other compensation. No wonder he's the champ. Nothing against GO, he is shrewd but he also normally really gets values and is not afraid to give up a great player and picks, etc. in order to get quality in return. I can't fathom GO not willing to throw other things in if it was requested to get the deal done. But it doesn't matter what other's perceived value is. They are all happy with the deal and it may be fund to speculate about it, but that is the bottom line when the deal is within reason.
Draft: Well we are past the halfway mark, but it took a week to get there. I'm on vacation starting Friday and I know others are as well. I'll be able to check in via phone but not sure what else I'll be able to do. Guess we can look at things as it gets closer.
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Great One
ID: 347323011 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 13:09
Like I said before, i guarantee I wouldn't have done Ryan for Romo if i didn't have Ryan in 2 other big keeper leagues. I obviously love the guy as does Slizz. Other than Rodgers there is no other young QB I'd rather have than Ryan, although I like where Flacco and Stafford are heading. But mainly I don't want all my eggs in one basket.
I did it the other way a few years back trading the studly Brees for the up and coming Cutler which is generally my track record.
And yes, multiple good QB's is a ticket to the lottery... its a waste in value to hoard them. AF should have traded his extra QB multiple times to fix his other problems. I'm sure others needed QB's. Maybe the offers weren't rolling in, AF would have to answer that. But I also just watched him not move the retiring Billy Wagner for draft picks when given the chance, so he seems reluctant to deal. Perhaps he got burned on one.
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Frick
ID: 97321912 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 13:25
The above posts basically sum up my reasoning for trading Palmer. I had Henne and Palmer, you can only start 1QB each week. So one of them was going to be sitting each week. Granted, that means that other teams would be a bit weaker, but that isn't a winning strategy. Between the 2, I would have preferred to keep Palmer as I think he has a decent chance to return to his earlier form, but it's just a chance. Palmer has plenty of weapons, but some of those weapons have a lot of miles on them and more than enough ego for any team with just one of them, let alone 2.
Do you need a great QB to succeed in this league? Not really, but you do need a decent one. 2 years ago I was starting Buffalo's back-up QB hoping for an injury, not fun.
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 13:34
I inherited a team with Michael Vick on it. Never liked Vick, but was never sure what kind of value to put on him in a trade. (This is when he was starting and making spectacular plays.) Valuing him wasn't really a big issue becuz tho he was OTB many times, no one once expressed interest. He blew up and I wasted a keeper space on him twice.
Then I got lucky. IIRC Cutler was a QB of the future but not starting so I just picked him up. Then I got lucky (short term at least) again. I had a good record at mid-season despite poor pts for/ag stats. The question was whether I should act as if I had a chance at the playoffs that year. I decided that I should, and would mortgage my future and trade Cutler for Brees -- a trade I felt in my gut was dubious at best. Worked out last year, at least in making the playoffs, indeed with the best record in the NFC.
Backup QBs with a chance to start can be a winning lottery ticket. I remember seeing a guy named Aaron Rodgers a FA sitting behing Favre, and wondering whether he would be worth picking up and holding on to. I decided no....
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coldwater coyotes SuperDude
ID: 229272412 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 14:09
StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 14:22
Don't remind me about Rodgers. Drafted him in '07 to be my QB but then got convinced Favre would never retire so dropped him later in the year for TE Alex Smith. So of course in '08 he becomes the starter except now for Deepsnapper and not me.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 14:50
I love reading about this stuff. Great discussion!
Btw it has been 6 days and not a week. Forgot the keeps were due tues but draft didn't start until Wed.
A couple years ago, I was all set to blow my team up and rebuild. The problem? no QB. I firmly believe even when rebuilding, every team has a duty to do the best they can to for the good of the league. That includes doing what you can to field a starter in your lineup. I contacted every single team with multiple QBs to try and get a QB. One team had three QBs. Then on the night keeps were due, Slizz offers me Favre. This guy was retiring after that season supposedly and not the way I want to rebuild--esp having to give up a couple RBs and a 3rd round pick. I thought I way overpaid, but also thought it was the right thing to do. I was actually kicking myself as the deal seemed counterintuitive. But then Favre does really well before getting hurt later in the seasons and I drafted really well and I somehow landed in the playoffs. It is unreal how quickly you can turn your team around in this league.
Then last year AF is going to draft a QB and had 3 already IIRC. I asked him for Ryan and offered him a ton. He comes back and said he's keeping him but he would send me Schaub but it would cost me another player and another draft pick. I sent him 3 players??? and a 1st and a 3rd IIRC. It might seem like a lot, but I'd have been willing to pay even more to get a quality player like that. I know everyone was worried about his injuries in the past and that's prob. why no one else offered him anywhere close to what I did even though he was OTB for awhile.
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 14:54
I didn't receive anything from coldwater for 7.07.
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 15:24
Re 7.06: Is Twarpy Twarpyizing? Or just storing away a keeper?
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 15:41
Working on uploading our schedule to CBS site. Week 1 is in and double checked. I will continue to work on this as I can carve out some time.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 16:03
re: 182 apparently he is taking any rb that is breathing (since walking doesn't seem to be a requirement).
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 16:06
8 rb's and counting?
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 16:07
I never underestimate Twarp's acumen. He was the only one to tell me that keeping Vick was, as he said, "retarded", which is probably the right estimation.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 17:52
Twarpy -- Ben Tate is out for the season with a leg injury. That's why Foster is so valuable.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 17:57
Somtimes there is a method to his madness, other times there isn't. Which one is this? Losing Rice is gonna smart. My guess he is loading up and see if any stick. Tate was well-thought-of before his injury and trip to the IR. There is a BIG IR on his CBS page. Twarpy is well aware of Tate's status, I assure you.
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 18:55
Agree, Judy, Twarpy knows that. So the question is whether he might be worth a keeper slot for next season.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 20:31
What are the odds we will finish before the weekend? This seems to be taking forever - though I am comparing it with the RIFC MFL drafts which went like lightning!
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 21:14
Which weekend?
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StLCards
ID: 36746177 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 21:20
sent a 1 player q to pete and ref, if he is taken with the next pick I'll have to pick later
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 21:36
Picked
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 22:15
Will pick within 15 minutes. Just have to check a few things.
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 22:25
Need someone to take my 7.20 Q if I don't get it in tonight.
I won't be around until tomorrow mid afternoon.
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StLCards
ID: 36746177 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 22:40
ref picks at 7.21 so best to send it to him
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 23:02
Toral or anyone -- take my 7.23 Q?
I gotta go to bed...
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 23:13
I sent it to ref
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StLCards
ID: 36746177 Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 23:23
Still 4 rounds to go and it would be really nice to finish up on Friday.
If it doesn't get to me tonight, who should I leave my queue for 8.04 and 8.05 with that will be around early tomorrow morning.
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Great One
ID: 367493122 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 00:50
alright, in the interest of moving the draft along I'll pass on the trade offer and stick with the pick
if PD doesn't pick by the time everyone wakes up -- and bob is around and wants to do our deal -- i'm totally fine with rescinding my pick as i asked above and giving him the pick per a trade we agreed on. but i gotta go to sleep.
202: Unfortunately, the pick was made before I was asked not to select the queue sent to me. I'm not trying to be a hard ass, but the pick can't be rescinded.
I'm thinking that we may just have to go to CBS for our draft. Maybe Kaf. Thought this was the most user-friendly way to go about things and also allows us to have it for historical purposes, but the draft this season seems a lot harder to administrate. We are still way behind pace, but we still have plenty of time before the season. May have some issues come Friday night though.
In reality we're only a few picks behind where we where on Wed morning of last year. The RIFC main draft started 6 days before us and just now is finishing from what I can tell. That draft has 48 more picks than our supplemental draft which is equivalent to 2 rounds for us.
So it seems a long time between picks but we have almost twice the number of teams of most leagues, so of course it feels painfully slow.
That said, let's get this thing rolling.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 10:26
207: Go if there were enough heads up, we could have worked with you.
210: Yeah, it has been frustrating. I don't feel comfortable going less than 3 hours per pick when we're not up against the wall as far as the season getting underway. There have only been four timed outs over 3 hrs and seven picks of over 2 hrs or more charged time. Only five picks are under 6 hours and only two of them under three hours of their cumulative clock left. Even if we knocked the c clock down, only four more people fall into the 6 hr clock or less. The c clock isn't there to skip people's picks as much as it is to hurry people up and not slow down the draft. If everyone uses the clock they're entitled to, we would not get done in time.
What our leagues usually does so well is start as late as possible and have a quick draft for so many people. Last year was the slowest ever and this year is even slower yet. We will get done in time--but apparently again not in time for Labor Day Weekend. So in the future we are going to have to decide if we want to get done before the holiday weekend or not. Ideally we start at the same time, get done before the weekend and then do nothing over the weekend and turn on waivers on Monday so players can start being picked up on Wed of next week. Perhaps we move the keepers and draft up one day earlier to help facilitate that--though we wouldn't get to see that final week two game before keeps are due.
We have no problem getting done with the draft, but the timely selections and administration starting Friday night might be an issue.
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Peter N.
ID: 684719 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 10:47
Queue sent to Ref and Roy for pick 8.14. Feel free to forward it someone if you need to. Thanks
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Great One
ID: 084217 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 10:53
I'm not sure I understand what enough of a heads up means. If I posted a minute before you posted "please don't make my pick" would that be enough notice? I went in the draft thread, the pick wasn't there. I went to other thread and said please don't make my pick. Thought that was good enough. I guess in hindsight I should have posted the trade right in the draft thread. It would have been in there before you posted the pick.
Basically if I send a que, thats like making a pick and its final?
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Great One
ID: 084217 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 10:55
For those playing catch up. Ref posted my que pick at 12:37 in the draft thread. GO posted "please don't make my pick" at 12:37 in the discussion thread.
It doesn't really matter to me cause I don't really need the trade, but it seems like it would have been reasonable to take the pick off the board.
If anyone hasn't paid yet, now would be a good time to do so.
RE: 215 I would say if it doesn't matter then we should just move on. Obviously unfortunate timing with coinciding posts.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 11:24
Why all the push back this season?
It wasn't there. I posted the pick. Then right before I went to bed I got an email from you saying nevermind. I respond. Then I see that you posted in the discussion thread. Also, there wasn't a trade, it was that you were in trade negotiations and you MIGHT have a trade coming up. If you posted a Q pick on an automated site, it would have been picked the minute you were up. This is all within a couple mins.
I think we have to move our draft to an automated situation next season. Seems that this arrangement is becoming more difficult each season.
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Great One
ID: 084217 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 11:25
Yeah, like i said, it really doesn't matter - there isn't a player left in the draft that I am dying to get.
I just don't want a set a precedent cause if that happened with an important pick, I would hope we would take it off the board.
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Great One
ID: 084217 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 11:27
Well I had a firm picks we agreed upon, I was wanting to let Bob know I posted it so he didn't go to bed holding up things.
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Great One
ID: 084217 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 11:29
That would be awesome, its much easier than this whole routine every year. Just que it up and let it rip. No worry about emailing people and all that.
Thx for making my picks and picking up my players Ref.
GO, if you are back then post in the draft thread that you are back and your queue should NOT be used. You did not and Ref posted your pick at the same time you said don't. It's not a clear cut situation but we've said that once a pick is posted it stands. There are exceptions like somebody misreading a queue or picking out of order but I don't think this is one of them.
I agree with moving this thing to automatic. MFL is awesome with it queue building for each round.
BTW, there are a few guys out there in the CBS player pool that have been drafted. Some over a round ago. It's really a pain when you are looking over the "free agents" and you have to double check every single one of them with the draft thread.
With more people having experience with MFL probably time to look at that again as an option for next year.
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Great One
ID: 084217 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 11:44
Yeah, I didn't plan to be around, but got out of bed to check our potential G20 trade cause I wasn't sure exactly when the deadline was for that. Thought it might be today's games. Still not really sure.
So I got the offer, thought it was good - went and saw my pick wasn't there yet, and posted please don't pick. Just unfortunate exact same timing.
But like I said, I just want to clarify for future precedent. Do we want to say you must post you are around before the minute your pick was made? (so I would have been "ok" had I put that a minute earlier). 5 minutes?
Good question Toral. I know in the past there were issues, I think maybe they only offered a fast draft or something, but I haven't looked at it in years so maybe it would be ok now.
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gshade
ID: 43725129 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 12:41
Cards- thanks for the reminder... just sent you league $ on pay pal.
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Great One
ID: 084217 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 12:43
Does CBS freeze rosters at 1 PM for all football games the same way it does baseball? I can't remember.
So they obviously have the technology... lol.. ahh. CBS.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 13:18
Cards I paid up with my winnings right?
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 13:41
Last I looked on CBS, you couldn't trade draft picks. The time limit was set--no change for the dark hours. It emails the next up to pick automatically. CBS usually announces what changes they made and I didn't see any change in their draft system.
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 13:52
I just did a 12 team redraft on CBS last night and I believe they only offer a fast live draft. 2 minutes per pick.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 14:10
CBS Offers an auction draft, live draft and extended draft with an email to whomever is up. There is a queue, but I don't see a draft timer.
I think a lot of us are somewhat spoiled by how fast MFL drafted this year.
An automated system of setting up Qs and sending emails out would certainly speed up our draft.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 15:53
MFL can't hold a candle to CBS as far as what CBS provides, but I'll investigate everything next season. Many are fed up with CBS' baseball and have been for awhile, but not a lot of sites can accommodate what we do there. Same with G24. No one even offered 24 teams when we came to CBS. But Cards and I agree, that it has become increasingly hard on us to administrate this draft and keep everyone quick enough and happy. The q picks for mfl are nice. Bad thing is getting an email every pick, you don't nec know when you are up if you don't read every word. CBS would be nice because it picks up your player automatically too (like mfl does if we used their site). All I know, is this will likely be the last time we draft like this in any of our leagues.
I'm going to be out of pocket for a few hours so I set a 4 player queue to Ref, Cards & Perm Dude. Thanks for the help guys.
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 21:02
Picked for snapper but he (or a Commish) will need to pick up Kampman for his team on CBS.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 21:06
FYI I sent a Q to Cards, but got home before he put it in... I still have plenty of total time left so it does not matter.
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Peter N.
ID: 684719 Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 21:59
When I said feel free to forward my queue to someone if you need to, I guess I should've stipulated except for someone who picks right before me lol. Oh well, Sims is a nice consolation.
Man, we've got 3 more rounds. It's going to be tough deciding between which bum to take. Should I take a 5th string RB or a QB that will see 5 snaps the whole year?
Thanks for the assists guys. It's a long story......
I agree Kafenatid or something is needed. You still need to designate pickers other than (Commish is all powerful). One plus of being 24 teams is you have time to build a queue between picks. lol
When I said feel free to forward my queue to someone if you need to, I guess I should've stipulated except for someone who picks right before me lol. Oh well, Sims is a nice consolation.
FWIW Pete I didn't open the queue until after I picked, but I did get a sense of satisfaction seeing who was first in your queue ;)
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Peter N.
ID: 684719 Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 10:32
'Cards, I was just messing around anyway so no worries! I appreciate the cover as my internet access is limited at work.
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Peter N.
ID: 684719 Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 10:43
Queue sent to Ref, pd, and ds for my 9th round pick. Thanks
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 13:39
Q for 9.23 sent to mjd -- it should last... if not, then there will be a wait.
Do we need to have an available starting line up by the end of the draft? Can I wait to pick up say a DL from the waiver wire and drop a reserve?
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 14:33
251: absolutely. Just have to have a legal starting lineup before the freeze each week. Technically, I suppose that could be before the Monday night game, depending on the situation.
Please make sure you are emailing the next three. That's slowing us down.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 14:35
252: You can't pick up or drop anyone whose game has already passed, so probably the Sunday freeze is the one that should be concentrated on--though there are Thursday games. Even Saturday games once the High School season finishes.
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 14:47
Ref, I think cc is asking whether one has to have a legal lineup at the end of the draft to which the answer is, I believe, "No"
RE 254, The answer in 252 was absolutely you can wait until after the draft to have a legal lineup and that you don't technically need a legal lineup even at the start of week 1 since you can add/drop up until each game starts for the week.
I guess there is the long shot possibility that the time between the end of the draft and week 1 games is insufficient for a waiver period and I could then end up with an illegal lineup.
Sorry for the hold up. I'd have picked sooner ha I known GO had picked already.
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Doug on droid
ID: 327232512 Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 17:51
The emailing thing can beat up for people who are checking in remotely rather than from a computer or laptop.
As for queues getting forwarded around, i don't think it matters if it goes to the guy who picks right before you so long as you can dictate did it take you in the subject line, everyone should the following the etiquette of not opening q email until the pick is on the clock. Sounds like cards did exactly that, and overall i think we've had a pretty good paced draft considering that its conducted on a message board.
Also agree that next year we should look into mfl or kafinated or pretty much any other automated drafting service we can find. Thanks to the commissioners for keeping things moving along thus far, great job guys!
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Toral
ID: 377501519 Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 18:04
I'm interested to know whether the etiquette of not opening the Q till it is necessary, and then even not looking farther into it than is necessary to make the pick, still prevails.
I ask that becuz I am not sure newer players know of it or abide by it. In G20 baseball, this year, I sent a queue and got an e-mail back almost immediately saying "Oh I get it. This is your queue for crappy OFs." (An accurate statement.) This manager, who is in this league, had obviously never heard of the protocol.
Toral
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 18:55
YR, that's the other DL guy I had it narrowed down to. Kia is the safe pick with upside since he will get some LB looks, but I went with the risk/reward player in Odom. Hope he can last the season and put up some big numbers,,,but I doubt it.
The draft has gone well today thus far. Only 5 picks over an hour and the queues have been picked really fast. Hopefully we can at least start on round 11 before many of us take off Friday afternoon.
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judy
ID: 9729212 Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 20:20
cc -- 10.07 Who the heck is that?
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 22:07
That Porter pickup is a pretty good one at this point in the draft. If he gets back in shape the guy has the ability to get double digit sacks--in 2008 he was a monster.
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Peter N.
ID: 684719 Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 22:13
RE 259: I was just razzing 'Cards because he took my guy! No harm, no foul.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 00:09
The schedule has been input into CBS. PLEASE check your schedule against the schedule posted in this forum. If you have time, please check more than just your team. It is VERY easy to make mistakes when inputting the data.
queue sent to Ref, PD, & Cards. Got a 11am ct Drs appt. adios
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 11:40
I have Judy's q
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 12:07
Ref sent me a heads up-he's running a quick errand. He should be able to make his and ds' pick, then I'll make Judy's.
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 12:37
Next 3 emailed
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 13:12
My draft is over. I still have the 11.21 pick which I will be forfeiting unless someone wants it for a slight upgrade next year or whatever. If you are short a pick and need to get a player now rather than waiting for waivers, this could be valuable for you. Save a waiver claim and get your guy.
I'm pleased how the draft has been going lately. We're flying today. I'll get the c clock gird up again shortly and then keep updating it before sending it to cards to complete if need be. As of now there are only two people under 3 hrs who still have a pick left. So for the most part the c clock appears to not really come into play, but look at how quickly the managers who had a big clock early started to pick once we got the c clock posted. So it does speed up the draft and that's the objective--not to skip people.
GO has 1:28 on his c clock. Coming into pick 10.24 so keep that in mind. The next player's clock starts immediately upon the expiration of someone's per pick or cumulative clock.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 14:13
fyi I sent a Q to mjd with LD White in it -- he's out for the season.
I just resent a memo to mjd to remove him from my list -- so hopefully he will not appear. I am out again for a while.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 15:32
Let me remind you or our end of draft procedures...
If you are skipped, you have 3 hours from that skipped pick or until the end of the draft (whichever is later) to make up that pick or you lose it. This is so people don't intentionally skip their pick to wait for news w/o having to use a waiver pick.
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gshade
ID: 43725129 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 15:54
@ ref- sent you an offer for that pick (11.21)
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 15:58
just picked for GO--can a commish put him on the Jets roster?
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 17:21
I'm heading out. Cards will have to assist on commish stuff tho I will be somewhat avail via IM.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 17:21
I mean I'll be avail via Email.
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 21:02
There was a pick skipped. 11.06 or 11.07.
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StLCards
ID: 36746177 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 21:12
The Giants are 11.06 and they already have a full roster so their draft is over, so the pick was forfeited not skipped.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 22:41
Q sent to mjd for final pick
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Sat, Sep 04, 2010, 00:39
Bout time someone noticed Crayton out there in the last round.
I was looking for a WR when I picked a few hours before the trade was announced over 10 hours ago.
And I seriously considered keeping him despite his place on the Dallas debth chart.
Nice pick up Cards. Pretty sweet in the last round.
has anyone looked at what the "GM Assistant" says?
a bit funny, here are only 2 that are listed for my team.
Brown, Josh K STL is a below average option at his position. 1. Trade Edelman, Julian WR NE to San Diego Chargers for Kasay, John K CAR. Then activate him to replace Brown, Josh K STL 2. Trade Edelman, Julian WR NE to Chicago Bears for Succop, Ryan K KC. Then activate him to replace Brown, Josh K STL 3. Trade Edelman, Julian WR NE to Indianapolis Colts for Hanson, Jason K DET. Then activate him to replace Brown, Josh K STL
Levy, DeAndre LB DET is a below average option at his position. Levy, DeAndre LB DET in your active lineup is questionable to play due to injury. 1. Trade Houshmandzadeh, T.J. WR SEA to Arizona Cardinals for Dansby, Karlos LB MIA. Then activate him to replace Levy, DeAndre LB DET
I wonder if they take into account that we have 24 teams in the league and that not every reported injury is as serious as listed.
I doubt that anyone would take TJ for Dansby and giving up Edelman for a kicker is very questionable.
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StLCards
ID: 36746177 Sat, Sep 04, 2010, 09:57
RE: 287 yeah I couldn't pass up Crayton once I saw the trade. Didn't really need a WR but since he'll be returning punts as well as starting with Rivers throwing to him, figured he has a good chance for a breakout season. Do have too many WRs now so I could be open to trading one or I can just wait to see which ones excel and which ones don't.
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Sat, Sep 04, 2010, 10:05
I was just surprised that he lasted like 8 hours. Either teams picking after the trade before you didn't see it or were looking in the scrap heap to fill out a legal roster.
Regardless, in this league, you have to take any gifts that fall in your lap like that.
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StLCards
ID: 36746177 Sat, Sep 04, 2010, 10:40
c-clock is not an issue for any of the teams yet to draft so only the 3 hour clock will be in play.
pick 11.21 will be automatically skipped when it comes up unless it is traded prior to that pick's start time.
Not sure how much I'll be on today, but it looks like the draft should finish today.
I was going to take Crayton regardless of whether he was traded or not. I'll settle for Scotty McGee who is apparently going to be the Jaguars kick and punt returner.
My roster page became empty when I picked up my last player. Is it just me? My players including the last player (Burnett) shows on my team if you do a player search.
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judy Leader
ID: 7771722 Sat, Sep 04, 2010, 16:09
DS -- mine was OK
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StLCards
ID: 36746177 Sat, Sep 04, 2010, 16:57
PD is on the clock for the last pick.
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StLCards
ID: 36746177 Sat, Sep 04, 2010, 16:59
It looks like 1 hour left before PD times out. Either once he picks or 3 hours after that pick times out the draft will be over. I don't expect to be around then.
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StLCards
ID: 36746177 Sat, Sep 04, 2010, 17:00
I meant to add that Promize's Seahawks needs to have their timed out pick in by then as well.
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promize@droid
ID: 282438 Sat, Sep 04, 2010, 17:07
Sorry college gameday. Didn't mean to hold up draft but was tailgating
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Sat, Sep 04, 2010, 17:12
Sorry guys--have been away from the comp pretty much all day. Will pick in a sec.
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Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Sat, Sep 04, 2010, 20:05
Are we permitted to make FA pickups now? Just found out I've got a guy (Sharper) going on the PUP list.
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Ref
ID: 267432517 Sat, Sep 04, 2010, 22:46
Good thing pd lagged or promize's pick wouldn't have been accepted.
301: no that is not allowed. Waivers will likely be turned on monday and all undrafted players will need to clear before fa can be picked up. Enjoy the rwst of your holiday!
Please make sure all of your drafted players have been picked up and make sure your schedule on cbs matches up with the schedule in this forum (separate thread).
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Sep 06, 2010, 17:34
Two teams are short players and two teams were skipped, so it looks like all players were picked up. I double-checked and the FA freeze is 5 mins before the first game on Sunday for all players who haven't played yet that week. Any game played earlier is still 5 mins before the freeze of his team's game.
I am getting ready to turn waivers on which will signal the start of the regular season for us.
XIV 2010 Traded Draft Picks: 8-24 Ref's Colts receive Slizz's Bills 10th round pick (Hixon/Wilson and '09 pick) 8-26 PD's Browns receive GO's Jets 2nd rounder for his 1st (Addai) 10-7 Ravens 6th for Cardinals 5th (Carpenter) 10-10 Giants get Packers 4th (Bengals DST) 10-22 49ers get Vikings 5th for his 1st (conditional on making the play-offs or it drops to a 2nd.) (Davis/Ochocinco) 10-25 Jets 8th for Broncos 5th (fitzpatrick) 10-28 Chargers get Cowbiys 5th for 7th (Cundiff) 10-31 Colts get Bills 5th for their 8th (Nedney) 11-4 Lions get Texans 5th for their 8th (Bironas) 11-12 Bengals get Texans 6th for their 8th (J. Russell) 11-19 Bills get PD's Browns 2010 1st round pick (acquired by Jets via trade 8-26) and Jets get Slizz's Bills 2010 11th pick. 11-25 Browns get Colts' 4th for his 10th (Addai/Ware) 12-3 49ers get Packers 2nd (3rd if a non-playoff team) for his 5th (8 player) 12-3 Vikings receive 49ers' 1st for his 4th (Maroney/Ringer) 8-9 Lions receive Bills' 3rd round pick for Lions' last round pick 8-18 Cardinals get Jets 1st for their 4th Round Pick (Keller) 8-18 Jets get picks 4.10 & 5.10 from Baltimore for picks 4.23 & 6.24 (Washington) 8-19 Jets get pick 9.01 from Browns for Pick 14.24 (Dixon) 8-23 Vikings get Chiefs' 2.08 ( 2011 1st, WIllis/Palmer) 8-23 Packers get Carolina's 6.2 for their 8.16 (Bengals DST) 8-24 Packers get Vikings 3.15 for (McGahee) 8-24 Raiders trade 1.12, 2.12, 6.12 for Denver 1.08, 2.07, 3.07 (VJackson) 8-24 Raiders trade: 4.12 + 5.12 to Browns for 2.24 + 4.21 (Delhomme + '11 pick)