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Subject: Bruce Matthews Invitational
Posted by: barilko6
- [26846616] Mon, Sep 06, 2010, 18:19
Use this thread for all chatter pertaining to the 2010 season.
Changes:
Rodrigo replaces Golffreak as a manager
We move to a 6 team playoff structure
Live Online Draft on Tuesday Sept 7 at 8:45 pm |
| 1 | barilko6
ID: 26846616
Mon, Sep 06, 2010, 18:20
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Previous League Winners:
Year 1: Mike Singletary, Winner Dwfffan
Year 2: Pat Tillman, Winner Barilko6
Year 3: Reggie White, Winner JTSerb
Year 4: Walter Payton, Winner Barilko6
Year 5: Bruce Matthews
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| 2 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Sep 19, 2010, 20:13
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Good week so far, I hope that is not the high point of my season.
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| 3 | barilko6
ID: 10822012
Mon, Sep 20, 2010, 13:02
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Luckily my team survived a bad outing by CJ.
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| 4 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Tue, Sep 21, 2010, 19:21
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If Frick had put Vick in, I would have had a wasted week with a high score.
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| 5 | Frick
ID: 41814238
Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 09:14
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Sorry, I thought I had updated my line-up in the middle of the week. And was planning on double checking before kick-off on Sunday morning, but my wife put me to work finishing up some painting around the house and I didn't finish before kick-off.
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| 6 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 00:39
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thank your wife for me.
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| 7 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Wed, Nov 10, 2010, 18:25
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I am giving my 9th round pick in the trade to Ocho Cinco for Fitzpatrick.
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| 8 | Frick
ID: 5310541617
Sun, Dec 05, 2010, 19:46
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Pretty blatant tank job by Ocho Cinco this week. Guess his team name should have been TO instead.
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| 9 | Doug
ID: 411040141
Sun, Dec 05, 2010, 22:02
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That should not be allowed.
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| 10 | ocho cinco
ID: 501121612
Mon, Dec 06, 2010, 13:30
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i disagree ... the playoffs were already decided. this had no impact whatsoever on any of the standings for the playoffs. i want a better team next year. How are we supposed to compete with Barilko and Electro whose teams are stacked like you wouldnt believe?????
i purposely did that so i could get 1 or 2 spots higher in the draft. i would have not done that if it had an impact on the playoffs or sabotaging someone who had a chance at the playoffs.
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| 11 | wiggs
ID: 356532011
Mon, Dec 06, 2010, 13:37
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We should change our rules to like my other league does. The teams that do not make the playoffs have a mini play off for draft picks.
so for us it would be 7 v 10 and 8 v 9 Then the winner of this tourney gets pick 1. It keeps teams from tanking on purpose.
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| 12 | ocho cinco
ID: 271141612
Mon, Dec 06, 2010, 13:45
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i agree with that! and that's why there should be more rules than just keeping 5 guys.
a keeper league is supposed to have much more rules than just that...
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| 13 | barilko6
ID: 511114711
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 12:14
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Hey guys, just realized what happened this weekend. I think its pretty low to bench your starters and run out guys that aren't starting.
I am looking for some advice on how to deal with this situation, as to me tanking is a very serious issue.
Thoughts?
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| 14 | ocho cinco
ID: 271141612
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 12:54
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1- what i did had no impact on playoff position whatsoever. i was not screwing with any other teams playoff chances etc.
2- if i would have won which i wouldn't have anyways, Promize Dawgs would still be in the same position. (if i would have started Sanchez i would have gotten -1.72 points, so having no QB strating was better decision)
3- The only thing i wanted was to get one draft pick higher in next years draft.
4- Like i said it's hard to compete when teams like Baril and Electro are stacked so there should be keeper rules in place that prevent teams from being to powerful. this is just an example of what keeper league rules are.
5- Baril told me that he was drafting wisely and gave me the example of Arian Foster ... but my reply to that is this :
I think all of us can agree that this league is QB heavy/important.
Most teams who have no qb's like me ... had to waste a 1st draft pick to get another crappy QB ... while Baril drafts arian foster because he already is loaded at the QB postion. same thing with Electro .... he had Aaron Rodgers and Phillip rivers ... so he did not have to waste a pick with a QB ...
it's just a vicious cycle that keeps on repeating itself.
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| 15 | ocho cinco
ID: 271141612
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 12:56
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example of keeper league rules
http://www.ffgeekblog.com/advice/rules-for-a-fantasy-football-keeper-league/
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| 16 | barilko6
ID: 511114711
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 13:00
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re:10
The problem with the analogy of my team being stacked as a reason to tank, is that only one of my 5 keepers was drafted in the first round.
My 5 keepers:
Andre Johnson (5th round pick)
Adrian Peterson (1st Round pick, 1st overall)
Matt Schaub (1st round pick, last pick of the round)
Chris Johnson (3rd round pick)
Tony Romo (Traded for Shonn Greene, who I drafted in the 6th round)
So really only 1 high round guy on my keeper list, all the rest were hard work, luck, and/or good drafting.
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| 17 | ocho cinco
ID: 271141612
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 13:03
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and i have seen more unethical things done in fantasy ...
and that player is in our league...
he added and dropped 4 QB's so another team was not able to pick one of them up because they were missing a QB... i believe that is something more unethical than what i did and no one can't say otherwise.
sorry Brent just trying to prove my point.
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| 18 | barilko6
ID: 511114711
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 13:06
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re:14
We did have one process in place to help the lower teams this year, but by accident! haha
The last place team placing claims in the WW this year got EVERY player he put a claim in on, as Yahoo doesn't reset the claiming priority. And this continues on throughout the rest of the inverted standings. Meaning that the top teams have absolutely no chance this year to add meaningful players as they were unlimited claims ahead of them.
That was a pretty terrible bug in Yahoo's system.
And as for my not needing to draft a QB? Tell that to Max Hall who I will be most likely starting in my playoff matchups next weekend...lol
(Hopefully he starts!)
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| 19 | barilko6
ID: 511114711
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 13:09
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re:17
I just checked all of our transactions and can't find this happening at all. When did it happen?
Also Yahoo has a default in place that any player added and dropped on the same day does not go on waivers, and can be picked up immediately after dropped.
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| 20 | Frick
ID: 5310541617
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 13:18
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It happened in the RIFC league, but not here. And it was the result of a change in sites, it wasn't possible under the old site and the rules were changed immediately afterwards to prevent such an event in the future.
We don't have a rule against it, we also don't have rules about colluding with another manager, but I doubt that anyone really wants to play with a manager who feels that if it isn't explicitly in the rules, that makes it ok.
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| 21 | ocho cinco
ID: 271141612
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 13:20
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it did not happen in this league
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| 22 | ocho cinco
ID: 271141612
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 13:51
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our moves should also be limited ...
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| 23 | Promize@Home
ID: 87451913
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 14:10
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I really didn't look at it on my end of winning or losing. I was shocked that I only scored 50 something points and won...
I was more concerned on the fact that someone would tank to get a better draft pick for next year.
The reason Bariko or Electro have stud teams is they either drafted them or they traded heavily for them. Not everyone likes to trade, most people know I'm pretty tough to trade with.
Anyways, I don't think the punishment needs to be to tough because in the end, we don't play for money in this league. But at the same time, it would be nice to keep the integrity of the league together.
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| 24 | barilko6
ID: 511114711
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 14:34
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I don't necessarily think there should be a punishment at all, just an acknowledgment that we as a group of managers don't want tanking to be part of our league at all.
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| 25 | ocho cinco
ID: 271141612
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 15:02
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i understand that ...but it would be nice to have some more guidelines or rules concerning the keeper league to keep teams competitive.
these are just examples ...
eg. how many years you can keep a player, draft position based on previous years draft, Players kept count as draft choices 3 rounds ahead of their prior draft position. Example 1: You picked player X in round 9 in 2009 and decide to keep him for 2010 he will count as your 6th pick. If you keep him again in 2011 he will count as a 3rd round pick. He cannot be kept in 2012. Example 2: You picked player Y in round 5 in 2009 and decide to keep him for 2010 he will count as your 2nd pick. Since he was considered round 3 or less in 2010 he cannot be kept in 2011.
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| 26 | ocho cinco
ID: 271141612
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 15:06
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re:14
you have matt schaud and tony romo ... 2 studs
you start your draft at an advantage over everyone else.
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| 28 | barilko6
ID: 511114711
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 15:18
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re:26
But the point is that I drafted or traded for these guys, just like anyone else could have. Schaub went through everyone's pick before I took him. Romo was acquired via a trade. Every manager in this league could have had these guys before I acquired them. I didn't spend a high draft pick on either guy to get them.
And just this year I traded away Big Ben for a 3rd round pick, meaning anyone could have had a stud QB for a minimal price. And over this year I have made two separate trades for 2 different QBs.
It makes no sense to me to penalize guys who are drafting well, working hard, and putting together a good team any more than we already do. We already have a straight draft in place that hurts, our WW claiming benefits the lower ranked teams each week as well.
I am in F101 league with a lot of the guys here in this league, and over there I think I am in 9th or 10th place out of 14, and there are some stacked teams. My thought process isn't, how can I make this easier on me? Its, "How can I work harder to get my team to be better?"
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| 29 | Frick
ID: 5310541617
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 15:43
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The last two years I've finished last, by a lot. Despite that, I never tanked a week, my team was awful because of mistakes I made.
I made the play-offs this year by drafting well, making a few key moves and mostly getting extremely lucky.
I agree with the others above, I don't think you deserve a punishment, but for the integrity of the league, at least put for an honest effort each week. We shouldn't need a rule for that.
We only keep 5 players and not more than 2 at each position. While some managers have very good teams this year, that can change quickly. RBs have a pretty short life in the NFL. QBs last substantially longer, but getting lucky with a rookie or someone who steps into a starting job can quickly turn a team around in this league.
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| 30 | russelldl
ID: 458182020
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 16:30
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I finished in last place two years ago and I considered the tanking method and decided against it. Its not right. I don't think we need anything more than what guru has in RIFC. A simple statement that says what is expected of you as a member of the league.
Every year we have a few guys push for new rules to make this league more "normal". But from the beginning this league was intended to be different. I think the simple keeper rules in this league work well.
And as a note, I have Tom Brady and Eli Manning. I've had them since the start of this league. I have NEVER been offered a trade for either one.
I agree that if you need to take a QB in round one, you're behind in that respect. But if you make a draft pick at that position, then you can be ahead of the game the next season.
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| 31 | wiggs
ID: 2679223
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 16:52
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I have to admit, I was part of the problem with making barilko a monster. I forgot we started 2 qbs in this league and when I saw I had Brees I trades Romo for what I thought was a stud RB. Turned out I needed Romo and Greene turned out to be a bag of crap.
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| 32 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 17:47
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I don't think that what I did in RIFC should be brought into this. It was low, but totally different circumstances.
I have had discussions with Ocho about this. I have worked to make my team what it is. I have climbed in standings every year till now. I don't see why we should be penalized for building a good team. A lot are founding members still, and we joined with this set of rules. Until most of the founding members are gone, changes won't be made. I am in another league with Ocho that I suggested making changes that made the league more to my liking. No one bit, so I left the league. I wouldn't want Joey to leave, but he has to accept the league for what it is.
As far as tanking, I suggest that if it happens again, draft picks get dropped in the first round to the last of the non playoff teams.
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| 34 | ocho cinco
ID: 41126720
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 21:39
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Electro, same back at you ... why are you bringing up the other league? LOL
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| 35 | Electroman
ID: 3170417
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 22:09
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Similar situation
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| 36 | Doug
ID: 411040141
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 23:31
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I think we're sort of fortunate that even if he had started a proper lineup the result wouldn't have changed... so I think we can let it slide with just an admonition for future years... and also determine what the appropriate penalty is for unsportsmanlike conduct should it ever occur again.
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| 37 | ocho cinco
ID: 271141612
Wed, Dec 08, 2010, 09:29
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re:35
Electro, in the other league you were trying to change a scoring setting (which i was trying to get changed too), but it's not a keeper rule. so it's a different situation.
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| 38 | barilko6
ID: 38112189
Wed, Dec 08, 2010, 10:21
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Re: 36
I am going to propose that if it happens again then we drop that manager down to the last pick of the first round. (With the caveat that there is a consensus that tanking occurred)
Thoughts?
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| 39 | Frick
ID: 5310541617
Wed, Dec 08, 2010, 13:12
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I would likely vote against it. As I said before, if we have to have rules for people to act ethically, I'm not sure I want to be in the league.
I think adding the tanking rule sets the precedent that anything not explicitly stated is ok. I disagree with that and I don't want to deal with the headache that is trying to write rules for every possible situation.
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| 40 | Promize@Home
ID: 87451913
Fri, Dec 10, 2010, 11:17
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FYI: Romo hasn't been a stud since Jessica Simpson :)
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| 41 | barilko6
ID: 511371115
Sat, Dec 11, 2010, 16:37
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Yeah...I would have been better keeping Big Ben on the roster. Maybe not in the terms of being a stud with the ladies, but more in terms of helping me win...
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| 42 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Tue, Dec 21, 2010, 07:39
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Tough league this year, a lot of good teams. Good luck to the finalists.
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| 43 | barilko6
ID: 1011212211
Wed, Dec 22, 2010, 12:21
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Agreed! Good luck to the finalists, fight hard!
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| 44 | Frick
ID: 5310541617
Thu, Dec 23, 2010, 08:21
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After my last couple of seasons and the start to this year, I find my self very surprised to be here, let alone favored by Yahoo.
Good luck!
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| 45 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Tue, Dec 28, 2010, 23:28
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Congrats to the Dopesmokers.
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| 46 | russelldl
ID: 333242520
Wed, Dec 29, 2010, 01:10
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Thanks Electro. This is always a good league and I'm proud to have finally won one.
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| 47 | barilko6
ID: 421155297
Wed, Dec 29, 2010, 08:55
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Congrats Russelldl! Nice win!
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| 48 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Wed, Dec 29, 2010, 19:47
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Do you have a list of the winners?
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| 49 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Wed, Dec 29, 2010, 19:49
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nevermind, just saw they are listed.
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| 50 | barilko6
ID: 501158319
Fri, Dec 31, 2010, 10:58
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Might still be good to give Russell some recognition!
Historical Standings:
Year 1: Mike Singletary, Winner Dwfffan
Year 2: Pat Tillman, Winner Barilko6
Year 3: Reggie White, Winner JTSerb
Year 4: Walter Payton, Winner Barilko6
Year 5: Bruce Matthews, Winner Russell
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| 51 | barilko6
ID: 215501410
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 11:50
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Hey there all...
Just checking in for this year, and wondering who is returning, and who we need to replace.
Also Russell needs to pick the figure head for this year's league.
Also, if anyone has any changes they would like to discuss for the league, post here.
One proposal I would like to bring up is to expand the league to include 2 matchups per week.
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| 52 | barilko6
ID: 156192012
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 13:49
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Email sent out to all of last year's managers just now....
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| 53 | dwfffan
ID: 21625227
Fri, Jul 22, 2011, 08:25
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I have not received any e-mail.
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| 54 | barilko6
ID: 46582211
Fri, Jul 22, 2011, 12:58
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Well that doesn't make sense since you have already replied to the email!
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| 55 | dwfffan
ID: 21625227
Sat, Jul 23, 2011, 08:20
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I am not losing my mind, really.
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| 56 | wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 00:35
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Do we have a potential start date for this draft. I only ask because I will be away august 21-28. If we are starting towards the end of that time I will find someone to help me with the draft, if we are starting after that then great. If we are starting before that or around the 21st I will bail out so I dont hold up the draft. Please let me know
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| 57 | barilko6
ID: 21720216
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 17:20
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re: 56
Sent an email this morning to pull the troops together and get working on some dates!
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| 58 | wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 01:53
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thank you buddy
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| 59 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Aug 05, 2011, 09:46
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Hey all.
Glad to be back.
Should be fun.
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