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Subject: RIFC AA League Discussion

Posted by: damoose - Dude [181042723] Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 11:14

Everyone is signed up for our league through the site so this will be the home of all future discussion of our league.

The RIFC is in the process on voting on some potential rule changes. The rule changes will be applied to our league also. I will notify everyone in this thread of the rule changes.

After the rule changes are settled, we will begin our draft order selection. For those who are not familiar with this process, I will be using the draft randomizer to come up with the draft selection order. This is not the order in which we will draft. We will use this order to pick the slot we want to draft in. So the number 1 owner in the draft selection can choose whatever pick he wants in the draft and it will continue until the 14 slots are chosen.

In this league, we will use a bonzai draft. It is a snake draft, but with the 3rd round reversed. So it will look like 1-14, 14-1, 14-1, 14-1, 1-14, 14-1, etc.

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 13:12

Out of sheer curiousity and forgetfulness, but aren't 2 people suppose to send you a set of random numbers 1-14 and then you line them up based on alphabetical order of our RG handles? Then we pick our draft spot from that order.

If not I'll shut up and keep my head down :-P

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 15:32

I think that was how they did it in the past. I think last year was when they started using the website generator. I will double check with Guru though to make sure before I do anything.

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 15:49

Yeah my memory of the league last year is shrouded in frustration at RBs, WRs and QBs who will never play another down for me ever again. 2 years ago I know for sure that's how we did it.

Patrick
ID: 11725118
Thu, Aug 11, 2011, 09:31

damoose, is there room for this league? I'd like to join.

sarge33rd
ID: 1964421
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 06:48

looking fwd to this, though I have a well established history of drafting what turns out to be, the league "all bandage" squad. :(

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 02:40

Hey guys,

I'm moving into my new house Monday and Tuesday. On Wednesday, I will look into starting getting the draft order ready.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 11:12

NP here. I'm still a little stunned that the Browns beat the Packers. Preseason, I know. But still.

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 09:16

Everyone should have received an email stating the draft order. Now remember, this is not the draft order. This is the order everyone will use to pick their draft slot. This is take place in this thread.

The order should look like this:

sarge's cheerleaders
dat dude
Valkyrie
Kyle's Enhanced Performers
goldcoach
pghrdv
Challenger
Rotoguru Jr.
Wetzel's Pretzels
Syncopats
Khahans Killers
Perm Dude
dpr
Moose's Heroes

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 15:31

Rules for 2011, as amended by RIFC league vote.

Draft
“Banzai” format: Same as a traditional snake, except the third round is reversed. Thus, the team with the first overall pick has the last pick in rounds 2, 3, and 4.

Roster
1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 WR/TE
1 TE
1 K
2 DL
2 LB
2 DB
1 additional IDP (flex)
9 bench
24 Total

Decimal scoring is applied for all categories.

Offense Category Points
(apply to all players, including IDP)
Passing TD 4
Other TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Passing-2pt conv 1
Other-2pt conv 2
Passing yard 1/25 (i.e., .04 per yard)
Rushing yard 1/10 (i.e., .10 per yard)
Receiving yard 1/10
Punt return yard 1/10 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return yard 1/25 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return 0 (no deduction)
Int, fumbles lost -2

Kicking Points
(apply to all players, including IDP)
Extra point made 1
Extra point missed -1
FG under 40 yards 3
FG 40-49 yards 4
FG 50+ yards 5
Missed FG <30 -1
Missed FG 30+ 0

Indiv Defensive Player Points
(apply to all players, including offensive players and kickers)
Solo Tackle 1
Asst Tackle 0.5
Tackle for loss 2
QB hit 1
Pass defensed 1
Sack 1 (half sack=0.5)
Interception 3
Fumble forced 2
Fumble recovery 2
TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Safety 3
Blocked kick (FG, XP, punt) 2

Unlisted players
During the draft, any player may be drafted, regardless of whether or not the player is listed at the hosting game site. Once the draft is completed, unlisted players may not be added to any roster. This applies for any post-draft waiver processing as well.

In the event that a drafted player is not listed after the draft has completed, a placeholder player will be assigned to the drafting team, to be replaced by the drafted player as soon as he is available.

Position eligibility
Except as defined below, a player's position eligibility will be that assigned by the league hosting site.

If a player is listed at one position when drafted and that position is subsequently changed by the hosting site, the manager drafting that player may elect to retain the original position. In this event, that player will keep the drafted position eligibility until he is dropped or traded, at which time the eligibility will revert to the hosting system's default position.

Priority Claiming
All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at noon on Wednesday. Following each of the first 6 weeks of the season, the priorities will reset weekly based on the reverse of W/L percentage (with applicable tiebreakers). After that, priorities will not be reset during the regular season. Throughout the season, when a player is claimed, the claiming team moves to the end of the claiming priority list. Following the final regular season game, priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded.

Starting at 3:00pm on each Wednesday, all free agents may be picked up by any team "first come, first served" without any change in priority status. Dropped players will be subject to a one day waiver period, subject to processing rules administered at the hosting site. Managers may not “cycle” though a series of free agents solely for the purpose of blocking them from availability. In such instances, the Commissioner will take appropriate corrective action.

Immediately following the draft, undrafted players will be subject to a priority claiming process, with priorities equal to the reverse of the first round draft order.

Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player.

Schedule
13 week round robin
Doubleheaders all weeks 1-13 (play each team twice)
Single elimination playoffs, weeks 14-16

Trades and trade deadline
During the draft, trades may include draft picks. Trades will normally be approved immediately by the Commissioner, assuming they are reasonably balanced. If league managers believe an announced trade is unbalanced, they should protest the trade ASAP.

After the draft, trades will be subject to a review period. For the first 24 hours following a trade, managers may protest a trade by posting a message at the RotoGuru forum, or by sending an email to the Commissioner. If at least 3 managers protest a trade within 24 hours of its announcement, then all managers will be polled within the next 24 hours. If seven or more managers vote to veto a trade, then it will not be approved. If a proposed trade is announced less than 24 hours before the earliest freeze for any player involved, then the entire trade will not be processed until the following week.

If a trade does not receive at least 3 protests, then it will be effective 24 hours after it is announced. If a trade receives at least 3 protests but the protests are not upheld in a full league vote, then the trade will be processed 48 hours after it is announced.

The trade deadline is the weekend following the final week with byes.

Stat corrections
Official stat corrections will be automatically applied. This typically happens on Thursday morning. In the playoffs, this can lead to an issue if a team is suddenly “back in the game”, but that team was unable to make roster moves the prior day. If a stat correction changes a playoff matchup at the last minute, then any impacted team will be given the opportunity to make a last minute roster move, if needed. The Commissioner will attempt to ensure that this provision is enabled as fairly as possible under the circumstances.

During the playoffs, once the first game of the week has started, no stat corrections will be allowed thereafter.

Playoffs
8 teams, single elimination
The 8 teams will be those with the top 6 W/L records plus the two other teams with the most points
The top four seeds will be based on W/L record (including applicable tiebreakers)
Seeds 5-8 will be based on total points for the other four playoff teams
Teams with equivalent W/L records are ranked based on head-to-head first (regardless of the number of teams tied), then total points.
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)

Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later.

Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable.

If a playoff game ends in a tie score, the team with the better seed shall advance.

Teams which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.

sarge33rd
ID: 34748188
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 09:52

Tough call with 14 teams and having never played in a 14 team league before. Gonna go in the middle, for lack of anay better ideas atm...

#7 spot.

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 14:04

This a slow start to the draft this year.

I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 16:27

My suggestion: (since you guys really need to get setup to draft)

Start a 6 hour clock per choice. If the manager doesn't show, he gets the earliest pick. This way you'll be guaranteed 3 picks per day minimum, more than likely it'll only take 1-2 days to resolve the slots.

I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 16:29

FYI - RIFC and both AAA leagues have already resolved the order (no pressure).

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 16:50

If a few slots aren't filled tonight, ill have to come up with a solution. We need to get to the draft sooner rather than later.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 19:20

#15: I agree. Let's get this going.

For the new guys, we do a draft to select the draft order. So all we're doing right now if picking which draft order your pick will be during the player draft.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 19:21

Also, when you pick, email the next two managers.

Dat Dude
ID: 427591818
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 19:59

i'll the take the 14 spot

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 00:43

Emailed my selection to damoose.

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 13:56

I remind everyone that we did have interested people who wanted to play in this league but were closed out.

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 14:00

right now, pghdrv is on the clock. I have emailed him three times. I just emailed Guru asking how long each owner should get to make their decision. I hate to see this being held up by one guy. We need to get to the draft before the other leagues.

For the other team owners in this league, is the emailed listed in the MFL league website the best way to contact you?

Thanks

dpr
ID: 1990714
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 14:06

since all the slots are theoretically supposed to be equal I think we can skip people without worrying too much. They can then select their slot when they do check in. It will become more of a problem once the actual draft starts but hopefully by then people are prepared to be checking in frequently

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 14:09

I say throw a clock on them.

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 14:19

Alright, I say give pghdrv two more hours before skipping him. He can then select his spot when he checks in.

Does anyone have any problem with this?

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 15:36

best way to contact me is the address I linked here. Should be the same one as on the webpage.

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 15:55

The one you used for e-mailing me for selecting my draft pick is best.

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 16:57

F5
F5
F5
F5

:)

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 17:45

Email sent to Matt K

Syncopats
ID: 127531916
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 17:54

I'd email the next two but didn't notice where manager's emails were posted...

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 18:14

I emailed the next two managers

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sat, Aug 20, 2011, 00:32

If we get the draft slots filled by tomorrow evening, I can enter everything into our league. People can take a look at everything and maybe we can start the draft Monday evening.

What do you guys think of this?

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Aug 20, 2011, 00:35

1. Valkyrie
2. Perm Dude
3.
4. Khahan's Killers
5. goldcoach(by email)
6. Challenger(by email)
7. sarge33
8.
9. Kyle's Enhanced Performers
10.
11. Wetzel's Pretzels
12. Syncopats
13. Rotoguru Jr.
14. Dat dude

dpr
ID: 1990714
Sat, Aug 20, 2011, 02:21

ill take 10

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sat, Aug 20, 2011, 03:14

1. Valkyrie
2. Perm Dude
3. Pghrdv
4. Khahan's Killers
5. goldcoach(by email)
6. Challenger(by email)
7. sarge33
8. Damoose
9. Kyle's Enhanced Performers
10. Dpr
11. Wetzel's Pretzels
12. Syncopats
13. Rotoguru Jr.
14. Dat dude

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sat, Aug 20, 2011, 03:22

Alright guys, we got this completed. I work til 6 Saturday evening. After that, I will enter all this info into MFL. I will send out another email with some draft info.

Guys, this draft will take a few days. You gotta check the website often. You can set to receive emails and texts when its your turn. I will cover more in the email.

I do ask if you can respond to my next email to acknowledge you are ready for the draft.

I haven't heard from Pghdrv yet. I will try to contact him again.

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sat, Aug 20, 2011, 14:34

The big boys aren't starting until Wednesday, and while I'm sure they'll move faster than us, if we don't hear from pghdrv by Monday, I think we might need to replace 'em.

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Sat, Aug 20, 2011, 18:22

I second your opinion Kyle. Does anyone know who alphabet (pghdrv) is or has ever played with him/her before?

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 20, 2011, 20:17

I don't now who he (or she) is.

There were several guys who expressed interest after the league was full. Might be worth trying to line up a potential replacement.

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sat, Aug 20, 2011, 22:19

I sent out an email to everyone with draft information. In it, there are a few questions. If you could respond back, it'd be helpful. Also, I want to make sure all owners are aware the draft is starting soon and they are ready for it.

Thanks

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sun, Aug 21, 2011, 00:51

Pghrdv is out..I emailed the two guys that posted in the other thread...anybody know of anyone that would take the last spot in the league?

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sun, Aug 21, 2011, 21:02

More than likely, we won't be able to start til Tuesday. We still need to fill last spot.

Does anyone have a friend who is interested?

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Sun, Aug 21, 2011, 22:37

Suggest maybe emailing the two guys that posted in the signup thread late?

link

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sun, Aug 21, 2011, 22:52

I have, awaiting responses from them

Joe
ID: 507582121
Sun, Aug 21, 2011, 22:58

joe5295@comcast.net

Kyle told me to mention that he sent me.

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sun, Aug 21, 2011, 23:08

Email sent to you Joe

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Mon, Aug 22, 2011, 13:49

looks like we will not be able to start til atleast Tuesday. I have some emails sent out to possible owners of the 14th team but no responses yet.

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Mon, Aug 22, 2011, 16:13

Has Joe not responded yet? When I talked to him last night he was really excited about getting in. If he hasn't I'll bug him to respond.

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Mon, Aug 22, 2011, 17:52

He responded, I sent him an invite and told him to let me know when he got it. I'm sure he will have this done by morning.

So be ready for draft to start at 6 pm tomorrow. I will send out email tomorrow.

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 11:20

The draft will be starting TODAY at 6 pm est. All rounds will be on a timer including the first round. The timer will stop from 1 am to 8 am est.

If you like, make sure you set up email notifications to notify you when it is your turn. If I see the clock getting down to an hour remaining, I will try to email you and remind you.

Hopefully we don't have too many picks that take the whole 6 hours.

If you know your not going to be around for your pick, make sure you set up a player queue so they will autodraft from that list.

If anybody has any questions during the draft, post them in the league discussion page, email me or text me.

Thanks,

Brett

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 11:30

I am excited. This year's draft is wide open and I think it'll cause some interesting draft startegies. Let's go! Its football!

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 11:58

I have tried to make my first pick but apparently we can't make picks early???
I am taking Adrian Peterson if anyone wants to and can enter it early.

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 12:08

I have the draft set to start at 6 pm, I don't think you can enter picks before then.

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 12:11

just a heads up,

I noticed goldcoach, kyle, dpr, dat dude have made pre-draft selections. I just want to make sure you guys know that as soon as it is your turn. It will make the selection for you.

Also, dat dude is the 14th pick so he will have back to back picks. I believe you have to create pre-draft selections for each round. Your list won't carry over for different rounds.

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 12:19

valkyrie,

you can set up a pre-draft selection for adrian peterson to draft him as soon as draft starts.

or I can enter your pick for you at 6.

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 13:21

Damoose: I have a 1 man queue. If he lasts to my pick then I will gladly snatch him up.

Also I'll try to have at least 75% of my picks queued up. I hate sitting around debating for hours on end.

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 13:41

Pre-draft is set - didn't know if it picked ASAP or only if you time out. Either way the choice is made is fine with me and I will accept voluntary compensation from all those behind me wanting Arian Foster

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 13:52

If anyone wants to customize their home page for the league, It is nice to put the draft status on the home page.

In top right corner of the page, there's a "customize page" button. Click that and that enables you to choose what you would like on the main page.

Goldcoach
ID: 439131016
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 17:31

Thanks for the heds up but I have just ranked my picks and will take whomever is left.

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 18:05

For perm dude,

http://football21.myfantasyleague.com/2011/options?O=52&L=25571

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 18:43

Joe never confirmed with me...if he doesn't make a pick in a couple hours, ill make the pick, he then can take over for round 2 if he signs up...draft doesn't need to be help up this early

Anybody have any objections to this?

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 18:50

damoose- I apologize for all of the insensitive and irresponsible people who have been making your job as commissioner much harder. I guess this is why AA is the minor leagues.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 18:51

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 20:30

I hope I'm doing this right. I have a 3 person que set for round 1. If I'm reading the league page right, we are waiting on Joe then its my pick. Do I have to manually check in and enter it or is there a way to set it to auto pick for me? To be honest, this site is a bit confusing. I don't see any obvious place to view who's taken and who's not.

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 20:52

Khahan, you set a three man que...when it comes to your turn, it will automatically choose the top guy remaining on your list

the best way to view who has been taken is on the left side of the main league screen, theres a heading that says league, under that is an option for draft. If you click that, you should see the draft order and who each team has chosen.

If I don't hear from Joe in next 25 mins, I'm going to select Chris Johnson for him. From every report I've read, hes a top 3 pick.

Syncopats
ID: 127531916
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 22:07

Are we supposed to be posting our rationales some place?

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 22:14

Usual plan with rationales AFAIK is to wait until two rounds after the pick is made -- so we should set those up to be posted once Round 3 starts. This helps you say stuff like "I was deciding between Player A and Player B" after Player B is presumably also off the board.

Syncopats
ID: 127531916
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 22:21

OK thanks.

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 22:23

Rationales are not required in the AA league. If guys are interested, I will create a new thread to post in.

sarge33rd
ID: 307422321
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 22:43

6 picks originally set in pre-draft; and I had slot 7. got my nr3 guy, and last 3 are gone too. (Didnt even bother trying to get any of my top 3 guys. Didnt figure any would drop to the 7 slot, and none did.)

9 picks till my next one, 8 in my pre-draft. Lets see how it goes.

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 23:24

I'm not interested in doing rationales.

I only had 4 listed and received my 3rd one with the 4th going 10th. Very thankful Chris Johnson was gone before my time!!! Didn't want to be forced to mull that over.

Looks like Dat Dude's que ran out with Guru Jr.

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 23:40

this shouldn't come as a surprise but If you're setting pre draft lists and know you won't be around, you want to make sure there's enough people in it to cover the picks in front of you.

And remember lists don't carry over to next round, gotta create new ones. But there's a new feature that allows you to click a button to carry players over.

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 23:41

I'm not understanding why Joe wasn't given a 6 hr clock. Waiting only 2 hrs 40 mins????

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 23:55

Bc he never responded to an email I sent yesterday. I received an email from him stating interest, I sent him one back and an invite asking him to reply when he joined the league. I still haven't heard back. We needed to get the draft started and I wasn't going to allow the 6 hour clock expire and the spot skipped.

Hopefully he does come for round 2, if not, I'm unsure of what to do.

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 00:07

But apparently he did join league since he commented on his pick, so therefore we don't have to worry about that anymore.

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 00:33

Datdude's queue ran out, so I'm going to assume we're done for the night. Hopefully we can get through 2 rounds tomorrow :)

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 08:50

I can't access the site right now. It keeps flicking between the main sites home page and our league page but neither will fully load.

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 09:33

I was having a few problems this morning with it.

Right now, I'm able to access the site.

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 09:51

seems ok now

dpr
ID: 1990714
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 10:14

Is there a way to see the clock or we just need to keep track of it ourselves?

Also, I am not complaining but something seems a bit off in round 3. Feel free to keep it unchanged though.

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 10:22

dpr,

you can customize your home page of the league and add the draft status to it. check out post #71.

like i said in all previous emails about the draft, round 3 is reversed. Its in post 0 and 10 also.

dpr
ID: 1990714
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 10:35

I was referring to picks 3.05 and 3.06.

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 10:50

Thanks for the heads up. It's been taken care of.

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 11:47

Do the turns get 6 hours or 12 hours?

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 11:49

I don't know what MFL does automatically, but the RIFC rule has always been that you are only entitled to one 6 hour period at the turn. If the situation arises, the commish may need to make a judgment call, based on the circumstances of the picker and the draft in general.

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 12:15

Thanks guru. looks like the situation may be arising.

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Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 13:30

I say no slack for a first round timeout. Only problem I have is that if he shows up now before the end of the second round he has given those after him who have already drafted an unfaur advantage over those (like me) who haven't yet drafted in the second round.
Obviously this draft is going to be a real struggle this yea- our commish should get overtime pay and extra kudos for making the tough decisons. Thanks moose- I know you didn;t sign up for all these problems.

103

Syncopats
ID: 127531916
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 14:16

Anybody know how to customize/change the time zone for the site?

104

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 14:20

I deleted my posts above.

After talking to Guru, I decided to give Dat Dude the two highest ADP players at two different positions. I did this only because I made the decision in the first round for Joe. If the timer expires on his third round pick, I will designate someone to draft for him until he shows up or we replace him. You're able to see a team's last visit to the site, its been just under three days since dat dude has visited.

A lot of guys are using the pre-draft lists. This makes the draft go so much smoother. I hope team owners keep using this feature.

The early rounds are the easiest. The tough part comes in the late rounds. People get bored with waiting so long between picks and the draft going on for so many days.

There's an option that if the draft timer runs out, MFL will automatically choose the next highest ADP. I'm going to take a look at that feature for the later rounds.

There's also a feature that will allow MFL to automatically draft for a franchise as soon as they are on the clock. We may want to talk about using that in the late rounds if someone times out. After they time out in a round, we could turn that feature on until we hear from them. That way they wouldn't time out in two rounds and waste 12 hours.

The way I look at it is we have 13 and a half days left to complete this draft then run a round of waivers. We have to average around a round and a half per day to complete this in that time.

Also, if you received emails again about the first and second overall pick. I apologize, I accidentally deleted their draft picks then restored them.

105

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 14:22

syn,

at the top of the screen, its

for owners -> franchise setup -> customize -> time zone

106

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 14:39

good pick dpr. High upside with high risk.

107

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 14:44

I realize I am on the clock, I will have my pick within the hour.

108

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:15

You guys never gave me a separate timer for my 2nd wraparound pick. You just combined the clock with the pick before it.

109

I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:17

RE 108: Correct, that's the way that Guru manages the RIFC's clock too.

110

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:20

you get one timer if you are on the ends of the draft, it prevents having to wait more than 6 hours for a pick or a time out.

111

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:21

k. fair enough. This overall draft process has gone so slow, i lost track of when we would actually start drafting. Ill be here for the rest of the picks tho. Also, if anyone wants forte, ill trade him for cheap.

112

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:24

The purpose of the clock is to give you a chance to notice that it's your pick. And we can't afford to have people hit the 6 hour timeout very often. We need to average about 1 hour per pick, or less.

Providing 12-hours for someone to show up is simply not going to happen. In general, once your first pick is skipped, your subsequent clocks are also skipped until you get caught up. This applies whether you are on the turn or not.

113

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:28

I completely understand. I wouldn't take more than 20 minutes for a pick. Just didn't realize i was up. But that is on me. How can you set it up that you get text messages when you are on the clock?

114

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:32

moose great decision- essentially you preserved the fairness of the draft only RG jr. got a windfall benefit . Had you waited 6 or 7 more might of which would have seriously compomised the 6 0r 7 who didn't as well as screwing DD.
Moose you are single handedly saving this AA league. I would also like to thank Guru for openly supporting you which I think was also necessary this year. Hopefully after all this we can just cruise the rest of the draft and get into the season.
For all newcomers- AAA and the RG championship leagues are not like this- it really pays to advance.

115

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:36

dat dude,

I actually think the draft is moving pretty good right now. I sent out an email a few hours before the draft saying it was going to start that night. We had the 4 hour wait with the 3rd pick because I never got confirmation with the replacement manager. That should be taken care of. After that, we had 10 picks in two hours.

After those picks, we had a 12-14 hour delay with your picks. Since that point, we've had 9 picks in 2 and a half hours.

-For anyone that doesn't have this set up and wants this...........

To receive texts and emails for draft updates or when it is your turn, at the top of the screen is "for owners"

click that, then go to franchise set up, then in contact info, you can select when to receive emails, or in the wireless section, you can set up when to receive texts.

116

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:37

Dat Dude: e-mail sent with trade offer

117

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:40

To my wife's displeasure, I am always on my phone checking the msg board and draft status. So if someone comes up, feel free to contact me.

So if she happens to throw it out of a moving car, we are going to have to take up a collection to replace it, haha.

118

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:47

BTW, in the semi-unlikely event that it very quickly makes it to me at 3.04, it will be a couple hours -- actually requires a little thought.

119

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:54

Damoose: to add to the confusion of the draft, Dat Dude and I have agreed to a trade. He can confirm after this post:

Kyle trades:
3rd round pick 3.06 or 34th overall
4th round pick 4.06 or 48th overall

Dat Dude trades:
Matt Forte, RB, CHI
4th round pick 4.01 or 43rd overall

120

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:58

Moose, i meant the process of setting up the league along with draft order. Wasn't talking bout the draft (I wouldn't know, I just checked in like an hour ago).
Just got frustrated because I was checking it everyday for the past two weeks except for the past few days and felt like we weren't getting anywhere so I just lost track of draft day. And like I said, I know it was my fault completely on missing my picks. I just set up the texting option so its all good. Sorry for making every one wait.

121

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 15:58

and yea. I confirm that trade

122

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:14

A first round pick for a third and a 5 slot upgrade- honestly this league is getting messed up before it even starts- anyone else just want to start over- I swear I will never drop to AA again, I swear I will never drop to AA again, I( swear i will never drop to AA again.

123

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:21

I would be the one losing out if anything. Not sure why you are getting so mad. I really didn't want forte. He was the first person to offer me a deal that I liked so I took it.

124

I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:25

The deal seemed a little odd to me too. So far, in the 4 RIFC Leagues, Forte has been drafted twice at 2.01, once at 2.08, and once at 2.09.

Seems weird that even if you'd take a 3rd round compensation for him, then why would you have to pay anything extra after that point?

125

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:26

Valk: While I'm not a fan of AA (and I swear I will never drop to AA again either, just because I liked my AAA) I can defend this trade from both sides.

If you look at Forte as the 2.01 pick then yes, it's an unfair deal, but what you need to look at is where Forte is actually slotted, and in most of my research he's a late 2nd round pick. In the other RIFC leagues he went 2.09, 2.08, and 2.01 (also as a replacement pick) This also give Dat Dude 3.01 and 3.06 (29 and 34) which allows for him to get 2 really good players and still be able to compete. To say this is a first rounder like Ray Rice, LeSean McCoy or MJD is unfair.

126

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:28

to be honest. i thought i was upgrading 5 in the 4th round. Not the opposite.

127

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:28

DD when you lose that much 12 other players lose a competeive advatage to Kyle. Yes I know anyone else could have made a similar bad offer to you yes I know you didn't want Firte- Now less than 2 rounds in we have given RG jr an advantage in drafting, Kyle a big advantage, you a disadvantage and the 10 others all have been competetively disadvatged and all this in only 20 picks . At this rate I am just hoping I don't get so disgusted that I drop my RG league from my favorite leagues to an after thought.
I will never drop to AA again. I will never drop to AA again. I promise I will never drop to AA again.

128

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:31

but the main reason i took the trade was so i could still get 2 players in 3rd round i want in the 3rd and restart my draft. If your gonna hate on this trade because of "where forte is going on draftboards and so called rankings" that is dumb. There are still rb's available that i like more that forte. Which is why I made the deal. And looking back on it, I wouldn't have thrown in the 4th round round swap but its too late now.

129

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:34

I am not saying we need to veto the trade- I just really hate it when we can't all get out of the damn gate even. It is far too early for leagues to be getting slanted towards one team or away from 11 teams. Kyle I sure hope this trend doesn't continue into your attempt at a Dynasty league.

130

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:36

whatever man. I can understand where you are coming from but i think Forte is really overrated. so in my opinion I don't think im giving as much as a "competitive advantage" as you think. My draft strategy was completely thrown off, this was the best I could do to restart early in the draft. That is all, Not gonna sit here and defend myself to every one.

131

I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:41

The presence of the 4th round picks is the part that I personally find discouraging; it seems like someone is targeting a managers frustrations, and taking advantage of that. I have no issue with Forte for a 3rd. That said, this aint my league, and I haven't left the RIFC in... EVER! ;) Enjoy AA!!!

132

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:42

@Valk: The Dynasty league would be an Auction League with a salary cap. No draft, so it's even, and if you do trades you still have to be under the cap.

If the trade gets veto'd or shot down by Damoose or if Guru feels the need to step in and stop it, I'll understand and survive with my normal picks. But don't worry if it stands because I'm sure my next few picks will end up getting injured, they'll under preform and I'll squeak into the playoffs and maybe make a little noise, and just end up in the AAA.

133

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:43

damoose is on the road, so I'm going to step in here again.

It seem to me that a better solution is to let any team that wants Forte to swap their current pick for him. That would be less unbalanced than the trade on the table. If we get to 3.06 and nobody has offered to take Forte for their current pick, then we'll work with the offer on the table. There is no need to rush through a trade before then.

In any event, the five pick downgrade in round 4 seems unnecessary, even though it's probably not worth that much.

Anyone who has drafted since pick 2.01 also has the opportunity to propose a swap.

134

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:47

Canadian: Glad at least you understand where I'm coming from at least. And yea, the fourth picks swap was dumb on my part. Like i said, I'm new to this league and "bonzai setup" I thought i was upgrading in the 4th round for some reason. I guess i was "frustrated" and wasn't thinking. But don't give Kyle a hard time about it, I could've easily rejected it on end.

135

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:49

Sorry for the confusion. I knew I'd probably get a big reaction from the trade. But not this much.

136

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:50

Agree with IAC in 131 -- no reason to downgrade the other pick (an upgrade there would have been sensible; Forte has to be some form of second rounder IMO). Would be OK with seeing Forte for 3.06 rounder straight up.

Guru's plan seems sensible too. I'd be tempted by 3.04 (but would need to think about it a bit).

137

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:57

I just sent an email to the league. Please read it.

For these leagues, trades are typically subject to a league vote over the ensuing 24 hours. During the draft, the commissioner is asked to fast-track the approval of any trade that seems uncontroversial. This does not fit that description.

If Kyle wants to improve his offer, he can certainly do so. But I want to make sure everyone in the league has a chance to react before an unbalanced trade is confirmed.

138

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 16:59

Sounds fine to me. Sort of like a waiver wire situation where you give up your pick for Forte and Dat Dude gets your pick.

I'm going to assume he's not making it back to me.

139

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:01

I will repeat this for the last time. Since I have first pick of the 3rd round. I thought I had last pick of the 4th round was upgrading the 56th pick (4.14) for the the 48th (4.06) pick. When in reality that's not the case, I actually have the 1st pick of the 4th round. My fault for not being more familiar with the bonzai draft. I will know better for the future.

142

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:08

First, Is there a player currently undrafted that would satisfy Dat Dude? A simply exchange would be the easiest. If not, then try to work a trade

143

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:13

yea there is. that was the point of swapping forte for the 3rd rounder. What are you proposing?

144

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:14

Ok, since I would like to at least stand by the trade, and offer Dat Dude a trade, I will offer this up to him publicly and if you feel I need to be flogged, tarred and feathered, then I'll wait for my pick at 3.06 and if no one claims Forte by then I will claim him.

My picks:
3.06 (34)
5.09 (65)
7.09 (93)
9.09 (121)

for

Dat Dude's Picks
Matt Forte, RB, CHI
5.14 (70)
7.14 (98)
9.14 (126)

I'd also like to note that when I offered the first trade, I put the round, pick number and overall number in the e-mail to Dat Dude and I wasn't trying to make it look like he was improving his 4th round standing.

145

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:15

Drop Forte, and select your player. Would that suffice everyone? It would me

146

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:22

Guru- good suggestion to at least minimize the damage. I don't like Forte too much myself but I would trade my pick 2:14 for him if for no other reason just to minimize the competetive damage to the rest of the league. I don't want to be the beneficiary of the "windfall" value either so I really do hope one of the next 3 pickers steps up and takes the Forte "value" for his pick. Besides there are other players who might fall to me that might fit my team formation better and whom I might rather have.
The situation just seems to be compounding. We had trouble filling our pick selections, a manager disappears between sign up and draft selection, the replacement is "in transit" between sign up and drafting, DD gets bored waiting (I don't blame him there) and misses his picks, he gets skipped twice, he gets reinstated with surrogate picks, he hates forte and dumps him for less than fair value- each step requires remedial efforts which seem to lead to even bigger problems. The crime is we have probably 10 great managers who are diligent and who will be here all year long but the problems of the few compound infecting the rest of us as they infected DD.

147

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:25

The only potential problem with dropping Forte and repicking is that anyone who has picked in the meantime should have had an option to take Forte. Maybe that's the lesser of evils here, however.

148

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:27

I don't want him

149

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:32

Valk: I would gladly trade forte for your 2:14 pick. But do the trade if you actually want him, not just to minimize the competitive damage.

150

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:32

Ok guys, deep breath.

I normally would be opposed to allowing anyone the opportunity of grabbing forte like this. But since he was a replacement pick by me, it seems best.

If no one steps up before Kyle picks, we will deal with it then.

Don't worry guys, 22 rounds left

151

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:35

If we are going to roll back to DD's picks I suggest we just throw what we have so far out and start over from pick #1 (actually #2 I am not changing)- that way Joe gets to choose his pick too- The downside of that is that it effectively
validates DD's timeout and we run the risk of repeat performances or non performances as the case may be but then again after all this the repicks should go faster and smoother???

152

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:35

I just had an email from sarge33rd that sounds like he might prefer Forte to Hillis. IF so, then Dat Dude can either have Hillis, or we can let Dat Dude pick, throw Hillis back in the pool, and give Challenger and goldcoach one last shot to claim Hillis.

153

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:38

DD- I would take it for the value even if I didn't want it-I still wish someone else would do it as I don't like getting free value anymore than I like seeing someone else give it away.
I think the best solution is to start all over again we are only at pick 24!

154

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:38

[152] although I know that may seem complicated, I think it's the best solution I've heard yet, with minimal impact on league parity.

155

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:43

I'd stick w/Brady over Hillis.

156

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:43

I'm awaiting confirmation from sarge33rd that he'd prefer Forte over Hillis. He already told me that Forte was at the top of his queue at the time.

I've also emailed Dat Dude to see if he would prefer Hillis or someone else.

Khahan - if you show up in the meantime, I'd appreciate it you would defer picking until this is cleaned up.

157

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:46

OK - sarge confirmed that he would prefer Forte. I'm going to put that through via fiat. Then Dat Dude has the option to keep Hillis or throw him back.

158

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:46

Although a draft reset seems like the best idea to some, I do not agree with it. Right now, half the managers probably don't know about the trade. Starting the draft over would confuse some who don't read this board. Why punish the owners who check in regularly. Everyone knew when draft started, I sent out multiple emails. I sent one the day draft started. One of the emails included directions on how to receive texts and email alerts.

159

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:47

i would rather picking someone else other than Hillis

160

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:48

Tell me who, and I'll make that swap.

161

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:50

I'm guessing that Goldcoach wouldn't want Hillis either, since he has one RB already.

162

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:51

Will i would not have taken him with the 14th overall pick, im perfectly fine with taking Shonne greene in this case over forte.

163

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:53

Via email, Dat Dude took Shonn Greene.

Hillis is back in the pool.

We're done. Proceed!

164

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:55

Thanks Guru. Sorry for the confusion.

165

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 17:58

By the way, any future skipped picks will simply be skipped. We just hated to do that so early in the draft, especially when the manager had been absent for so long that we wondered if he would ever show up.

166

Dat Dude
ID: 137152414
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 18:03

I'm sorry. There was a post stating that the draft would be tuesday at 6. At the pace everything was going i figured my pick wouldn't be til today and i set an auto draft list just in case but i guess they had all been taken by my pick.

167

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 18:12

That clears all that up. Thanks for handling that Guru.

This kind of hands on and quick response reminds me to put up my usual donation to the site.

*cough* DONATE *cough*

168

Goldcoach
ID: 439131016
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 18:24

RE 161
Just got in and catching up. Sounds like fun has been had by all. I will stick with Rivers QB over Hillis RB.

169

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 19:00

getting my pick in here in the few minutes

170

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 19:06

wow, I should have read emails first. thats what I get for not being able to get to comp easy in the evenings. Would have been happy to have forte for my pick.

171

dpr
ID: 1990714
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 19:26

One thing that I think was missed, or maybe we decided it just wasnt important enough is that picks 2.02-2.07 didnt get a chance for forte when they should have. personally I didnt want him, but just another potential issue from this if one of the other managers does,

172

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 19:30

Sorry guys, the forte issue is over. It won't happen again bc any pick that times out will be skipped.

173

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 21:02

At the risk of being paranoid, do we know that joe is on board for this draft?

174

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 21:11

He posted a comment after I made his pick four hours in. Other than that, he doesn't respond to my emails. I emailed him when it became his turn in case he doesn't have email notifications on.

His last visit to site was 23 hours ago

175

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 21:14

Last night I was helping him on how to set up a queue. Haven't heard from him today though. He mentioned that he was taking a night class though so I don't know if he's in that or what.

176

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 21:27

Kyle, its cool unless he times out. And he's got like 11 hours til then.

We will see what happens.

177

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 21:56

I'd be in favor of moving the time limit up to 4 hours at the start of the 3rd rd.

178

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 22:04

#177, very rarely does it even take 4 hours to get a pick. As of right now, 9 managers took under 30 mins. Three more under 2 hours.

179

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 22:13

Joe's making his pick shortly, and re-loading his queue. I just got a hold of him.

180

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 22:20

All down hill from here guys, all 14 managers accounted for.

Two down, 22 to go

181

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 23:56

Is there any way to look at the grid view in the draft order? Ours currently looks like a jumble, and I'd like to be able to see who has drafted what player in front and behind me all grid-like.

I know back when we used Kafenatid, it did that, and I think last year I was able to re-arrange it with the commish tools somewhere.

182

dpr
ID: 1990714
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 00:04

yea it is a pain that the order is so random. Maybe there is a way damoose can fix it?

I like the comments. ill add some of my own later tonight.

183

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 00:05

On left side of screen, under league heading - draft, then towards the top of that screen, you should be able to switch from list or grid view

Or use this tool guru has

If you wish to track the draft without directly accessing the mfl site (e.g., if that site is blocked from your access at work), the following links may be used:

List view: http://66.221.169.118/cgi-bin/mfldraft.pl?league=43096
Grid view: http://66.221.169.118/cgi-bin/mfldraftgrid.pl?league=43096

This will also allow you to keep tabs on other RIFC drafts as well. Note, however, that this is strictly a viewing mechanism. It will not allow you to actually enter a draft pick, or set up a queue. For that, you will still need to log directly into the mfl site - or else email the commish to do it.

184

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 00:12

Damoose, it's not that the draft isn't in grid view I can get to that. It's that the order is odd. Ours currently reads

(13)(8) (4) (9)(1) (12) (10) (2) (7) (3) (5) (14) (11) (6)

I was wondering if we could get it to read
(1) (2) (3) etc... (13) (14)

185

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 00:31

I see what you mean now. I will dig around for a solution tomorrow.

186

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 01:40

Despite a time out and some other slow downs we're still moving at the fastest per pick time out of all of the RIFC.

187

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 04:26

The order of the grid was fixed last year. I don't remember off the top of my head exactly where to do it, but it should be in probably the RIFC draft thread if you want to look. It basically has to do with a customized franchise order. Team 1 in the system may have the 7th pick, so you have to move team 1 to the 7th slot, etc.

Once you find where it is in the setup, it shouldn't be hard to fix.

188

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 09:03

Ok, I would like to know what I missed here. Last I saw, Forte was being traded to Kyle and was on dat dudes team. When I made my pick, he was still there and the only trade announced was the one with kyle. Now he's on a different team?

Not trying to raise a big stink or cause a debate. I'm just looking for a quick explanation of the timeline here. I suspect its all legit and what I'm missing is stuff that happened over email and not publicly. But maybe it should be made public?

189

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 09:27

I think it is all public if you read through the posts above, but here is the Reader's Digest version.

Dat Dudes' first picks were skipped due to a timeout. Damoose and I decided to award his team the top ADP players at that point, as his whereabouts was completely unknown, but he had not appeared at the site (this one or MFL) for several days, and we feared the team might have to be shopped to a new manager. We didn't want it to be a too big of a competitive disadvantage. One of those players assigned was Matt Forte.

Dat Dude did finally appear, and expressed interest in either trading or dumping Forte. We were about 10 picks down the road (awaiting Khahan's pick) at this time. Damoose was on the road at the time, so I tried to intervene to resolve this as quickly as we could.

If Forte was simply dropped, then every manager since pick 2.01 should have had an opportunity to draft him. Sarge33rd expressed interest in swapping his most recent pick, Hillis, for Forte.

Dat Dude didn't want Hillis either, but the pick of Hillis was only two picks in arrears, so swapping Forte for Hillis and then exchanging Hillis created less of an issue. The two most recent pickers expressed no interest in Hillis. So Dat Dude was allowed to drop Hillis and repick. He selected Shonn Greene.

There were a few other steps in the process, but they are no longer relevant.

190

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 10:02

It looks like I got both Romo and Manning. Wish there was a better way to use the queue.

Anyway, both these guys are top flight QBs. I'd be willing to move one of them (probably Manning) for a very good WR.

191

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 10:28

Got it Guru, thanks. I typically am no where near a comp in the evenings so I missed all this. Was more concerned with getting my pick in and not holding us up more. Skimmed thru and must have missed that part.

And like I said in my earlier post, "its what I get for jumping to pick before thoroughly reading" :)

192

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 10:44

In CA, just got up a little bit ago. Sorry for the delay but my que ran out.

Know who I want to pick, but cant seem to find a 'select player' option anywhere. Am I just caffeine deficient this morning?

193

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 10:46

nebbermind...found it right after i posted. :(

194

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 10:46

Sarge, you living in Ca now?

195

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 10:50

yep...lil town called Weaverville. 1/2 way between Redding and eureka, in northern CA. Not far at all, as in REAL close, to where the CA gold rush began back in the 1800's.

196

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 11:09

Wow! How many towns, uhhh states, is that since we 1st meet up in Smallworld? Anyway, wish we had your weather! It was only 108 here yesterday, but we had a "cold" front come thru overnight and we are supposed to only reach 99/100 today.

Good Luck

197

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 11:16

<---friggin gypsy :)

198

DWetzel
ID: 49962710
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 12:18

Whoever added the RIFC ticker thing at the top of the draft board, you are the sexiest person alive.

199

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 13:43

Hmmm. Having a hard time with that clunky draft software. Am on it, but the whole thing in un-intuitive. There is a single link ("Draft") which gets me the grid of what has been pick, plus upcoming draft places. Getting from there to a queue or a simple "draft this player" isn't obvious...

200

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 13:53

Top link under "For owners" at the top of the page...

201

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 13:53

@Valkyrie: It might be a good thing we're in AA this year. If you look at AAA, #2 has 1/2 the league averaging over 4 hours a pick and #1 has 4 people over 4 hours. While we might have some fun situations w/r/t trades and finding managers to fill the league, we have a fast moving draft, and IMO that's the most important part of the RIFC process.

Heck we have a faster per pick time than the big boy league (which I'm sure won't last because they are starting to get rolling)

202

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 13:57

The draft link on the left side of your screen under the League Heading will only get you a list or grid view of the draft so far.

The draft link under the For Owners heading at top of the screen will get you into the place to draft and/or set a queue

203

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 14:04

If all else fails, you can email me your pick and i will make it for you.

204

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 14:32

Guys I have a problem I am trying to draft Brandon LLoyd wr denver but he doesn't show up but apparently no one else has taken him??
I thought I saw some problem with perm dudes taking brandon (lloyd/marshal ??) and both now are off the draft list? ??
I too am having a very difficult time using this draft software but until n ow have been managing- among other things I can't even seem to bookmark it???

205

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 14:32

alright, let me take a look at it.

206

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 14:46

you should be able to draft brandon lloyd now

207

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 14:53

RE 187: I do remember that now that I thought about it. You have to get on the Commish account to do it, but once you're in that you can set a "Custom Franchise Order" which is the order the franchises appear. According to the tools: "This custom franchise order will cause most franchise lists to be displayed in the order specified below." I believe that's the way the grid would be set up.

208

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 14:57

Somehow Llyod reappeared and I think I got it right- still have no idea what happened- nor where some of my posts are going ( I know one of them got to a wrong thread- part of my problem not being able to bookmark the draft sight for some reason??? That and having to keep flipping from the peek site to the draft site to see what has transpired??
Kafenetid was so much better and easier LOL.

209

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 15:01

@Valkyrie: Kafenetid was so much easier on the drafter, but the queue system left something to be desired (remember, someone had to pick from your queue for you and you had to let them know that "my queue is good for round X but not for round Y") and it was a pain for the commish to have to put in the draft results by hand, which led to some confusion and mistakes. I remember receiving a few incorrect players once and having to do a trade to correct it

210

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 15:04

re: 207, it should look better now, is that what you were looking for?

re:208, perm dude picked up lloyd through free agency, dropped him, there's a one day waiting period on dropped players, so I had to remove that. That entered him back into the pool.

I hope perm dude didn't want lloyd. You would think if he wanted lloyd, he wouldve let me know that he couldn't draft who he wanted.

I have no problem bookmarking the page where you can make draft picks or the page where you can see the draft grid.

211

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 15:23

RE: 210 YES! Exactly what I was looking for! Damoose for commish of the year!

212

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 15:38

what was perm dude doing picking up LLoyd in FA?
This draft is definitely a challenge. Unfortunately I am not finding it the exhillerating type of challenge.

213

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 15:44

he must have mistaken it for the draft section, we disabled the ability to pick up free agents for now.

I like the pace the draft is going right now. Everyone is doing a good job.

214

DWetzel
ID: 49962710
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 16:01

There'll be a couple hours eaten up at my next pick -- I actually need to think/reevaluate a little bit there. Just an FYI. Pick will probably go up about 6:00 CST (~ 3 hours from now) regardless of when it gets to me.

215

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 16:34

Why do I feel like that's the first of many picks that damoose steals from me... My queue of players was down to 2 when I picked and the last guy was picked right after me. Like Dwetzel, I'm really going to have to reevaluate my strategy for the 6th round. That's always a good sign when you're second guessing your picks 1/4 of the way through the draft right?

216

DWetzel
ID: 49962710
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 16:47

If anyone has someone they're itching to take, I'm willing to trade down for pretty cheap.

217

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 18:03

Wetzel: Trade offered

218

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 19:09

Kyle -- Thanks, offer was entirely reasonable, but I've decided to throw a dart at the board instead of trading down for now.

219

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 19:19

#213: Yeah--I was trying to figure out how to pick up player during my turn. As I said, there is a lot of non-intuitive stuff on that site.

220

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 19:30

Dwetzel: You took who I was going to move up to get, so great minds.

221

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 19:46

I'm heading out to dinner, I don't think it'll get to me, but if it does, I have no idea what position I'm going to draft, so it'll be about 90 minutes from now until I'm decided.

222

Dat DUDE
ID: 97492520
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 21:49

dam my picks got taken right in front of me. I cant sleep on anyone in this league lol

223

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 21:51

cant begin DD, to say how many of the guys I have qued up between my pic ks, have 100% disappeared that rnd. :(

I've played in leagues with some of these folks before. You're right...you cant 'sleep' on anyone. You snooze, and these guys will be ALL over your next pick.

224

Dat DUDE
ID: 97492520
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 21:56

i know. it happens. i like it though. Means its gonna be a competitive league. Ill have my picks in soon. already got 1. just looking for mysecond

225

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 22:28

I swear the last time sarge and I were in a league together we had the same cheat sheet. Without fail he would draft my guy the round before me, and then when I would pick before him, he'd pick the second of the 2 guys I would be deciding between.

226

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 22:45

227

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 23:12

*shakes fist at dpr!*

KAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNN!

He just got THE steal of the draft.

228

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 23:27

I was hoping, and praying, and hoping, and praying, and...

229

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 23:30

He wasn't making it past me... I guess dpr thought the same thing...

230

dpr
ID: 1990714
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 23:47

Not sure that I needed a WR as I think there are plenty good ones left but the value was too good and it was too early for the positions where I am thin

231

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 23:47

Alright I am done picking running picks. I was done picking them with beanie wells, but I couldn't pass up on hightower.

232

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 00:57

We're the only league in the 6th round, and we're going to be going into the 7 soon.

Movin' right along!

233

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 02:44

Because I've been writing them for fun and so I know what I'm thinkin (I know we don't have to) I'm going to post my rationales thus far. I think I'll do this every 5 rounds, and anyone else who is doing this, can join me if they want :)

0.09
I had the 4th draft selection, and I went with #9 for a few reasons. 1. I wanted a spot to get a Top 10 RB, preferably MJD. If MJD didn't fall to me, one of the top 2 QBs would I figured, so it was a win win. With the Bonzai draft this would allow me to get 2 players in the top 20 and 4 in the top 50. I love drafting later in Bonzai.

1.09 Maurice Jones-Drew, RB, JAX
I had him targeted before the pre-draft started. This usually turns out poorly for me, since the last time I was this high on a RB I drafted *undrafted Colts RB* at #4 in his 2nd year. Bad idea juice.

I think MJD will have 1500 and 10 and I'm not at all worried about his knee. As I said that an overwhelming amount of fear has struck me and now my knee hurts. So I'll stop, temper my expectaions, and pray to the FFGods that he stays healthy

2.06 DeSean Jackson, WR, PHI
Vick has to throw to someone right? I don't think Macklin will be healthy this season, the TE situation is meh, and LeSean McCoy won't have all the receptions! I honestly think Jackson could be the top scoring WR in this format with his PR yards. Last year, he was the #2 WR per game, so I think a repeat of that with 16 games played would be nice and great value in the mid second round.

3.06 Dwayne Bowe, WR, KC
3rd round? For the #2 receiver last year? Ok. Done. While I don't think he'll repeat 15 TDs, his 1162 yards and 10 TDs are definitely in reach. And with another year together with *undrafted QB* and a poor defense, this team will be throwing the ball and he's the only real threat to catch the ball.

4.06 Matt Schaub, QB, HOU
I had 3 QBs in my queue for this pick, Peyton, Matt Ryan and Schaub, in that order. If they were gone I was going to draft a RB. I got Schaub.

I think he'll have a 3700 and 30 TD year. He's got a decent OLine, the best WR, and one of the top 2 RBs. I feel defenses will try to stop the run more against the Texans, the passing game will be more open than it has been in the past.

5.09 Marshawn Lynch, RB, SEA
This is one pick I'm not overly thrilled with. The guy I really wanted (Beanie) was picked right before me. The guy I totally forgot to add to my queue (Grant) was picked right after me.

I think the Seahawks are going to run the ball some more with *undrafted* at the helm. *undrafted* backing him up will probably vulture some TDs, but after watching that run against the Saints in the wild card round makes me think that he'll get 6 TDs of 20+ yards. That's 120 yards at least, and I think he'll pull another 700-800 yards when he's not busting long TD runs. If he does that then in round 5 and for RB2 it shouldn't be too bad.

234

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 12:28

hey, joe! Wake up, bud!

235

Syncopats
ID: 127531916
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 12:58

What happens if Joe misses his pick? Do we move on to the next slot and he can make his pick whenever he checks back in? Or does he have to wait until next round & pick up a free agent at the end of the draft for the missed pick?

236

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 13:05

re 233...Kyle took Schaub, 2 picks ahead of me. I had put 4 QBs in my que, following my selection in rd 3 of Harvin. P Manning, M Ryan, M Schaub and Big Ben. They all got picked up that rnd. :(

237

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 13:14

If he misses his pick, it moves onto next draft pick...he would be able to make a selection when he checks in by mailing me.

238

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 13:46

Unlike Judy, I hate taking players from my own team... But Addai seems to possess way too much value to pass up in the 7th as a RB3, I'm really hoping that just messed up someones queue, but I highly doubt it.

239

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 14:19

24 rnds, 68 hrs in we are 1 pick shy of 7 rnds done. Almost 1/3 done, 3 days in. Not gonna speak for all of you, but feel like this draft is FLYING.

240

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 14:37

This is the fastest RIFC draft I can remember being apart of. Just think if we didn't have a time out in round 1 and a near time out this round. We might be in the 9th or 10th.

241

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 14:38

Joe just let me know that he's in Irene territory.

Anyone else is in the path?

242

Dat Dude
ID: 257522613
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 14:52

Would anyone like to trade up for my current pick?

243

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 15:02

Offer sent

244

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 15:12

Trade offered and accepted

Datdude trades
8.01 (99)
10.01 (127)

I trade
8.06 (104)
9.09 (121)

245

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 15:14

just need notification of dat dude of approval and I'll make the changes

246

Dat Dude
ID: 257522613
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 15:15

I confirm the trade.

247

Dat Dude
ID: 257522613
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 15:16

Didn't like the value of my pick. Figured my guy would be still there in 5 picks. Plus the like the 6 pick upgrade in the later rounds

248

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 15:16

I also told datdude to draft Paul Posluszny, LB, JAX for me and I'll trade the 2 picks for the player and pick.

249

Dat Dude
ID: 257522613
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 15:20

let him make the changes and you can make your pick. I dont wanna complicate things

250

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 15:21

I'm going to see if I can reorder the draft that way you can draft paul for yourself.....give me a minute

251

Dat Dude
ID: 257522613
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 15:24

Its good now. Thanks moose!

252

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 15:26

alright that should take care of it.

kyle,

you should have joe create a queue just in case he loses power. Or he can designate you to be pick for him. backup plans are good.

253

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 15:37

RE: 252 He'll be able to draft from his phone he told me, but I gave him my number in case something happens.

254

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 16:51

I'm pretty much along the edges of the path of the hurricane...due to hit my area sometime sunday. I'll try to keep a que up and running. Especially now that I think I have this figured out. A few regular gurupies (GO and Wiggs) may still have my cell ph#. If power is out and you can reach them they may be able to get hold of me.

255

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 17:16

heh *chain yanking time*

Khahan "has it figured out" so swill keep his que current. Been his pick for 37 minutes. :)

256

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 17:46

So dpr has a predraft list for 24th round, I'm taking bets on whether or not, his queue will hold up that long

257

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 18:00

I'm willing to bet it will. I'm going to guess he has 14 kickers queued up

258

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 18:15

Not sure if the Hurricane got Khahan, he forgot the he didn't make a pick, or if he just didn't notice that his queue got used up, but he posted 13 minutes after he went on the clock and now 90 minutes later we're still waiting...

259

dpr
ID: 1990714
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 19:03

Since we cant turn our queues off I was using it as a watchlist for the second round. With the names not deleting, I gave up on the practice. Unfortunately, it will not hold up.

260

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 19:16

You don't have to que up 14 kickers. You set your preferences to kicker and for which rd and it will use ADP to select. At least that what appears to me that some managers do in other leagues. Never tried it myself.

261

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 19:59

got my pick in. I saw kyles post. I swear I hit reload on the league, saw it was still on Joe then came here an posted.

And guess I don't have the que thing figured out yet *grumble*. Somebody said this in I think the AAA discussion - this site may have a lot of nice features but it sure isn't user friendly.

262

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 21:13

well, you still managed to take the guy I had nr1 in my que. :(

263

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 22:28

Looking to move up a few spots from 9.11 this round; willing to swap 10th and 14th round picks to do it.

264

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 22:29

The only problem I have with site is it doesn't delete drafted players from a set queue.

265

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 22:32

so....for ex

my 9.7 for your 9.11
then I'd get 10.7 and 10.11 and you'd get 14.7 and 14.11

right?

If so...I can do that if you're interested

266

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 22:35

No, that's not what I meant.

I'd trade 9.11, 10.4, 14.4 to you
and get 9.7, 10.8, 14.8.

Or similar for someone else in that area. Move you up X spots in round 10 and 14 to move me up X spots in round 9 (where in sarge's case X=4).

267

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 22:40

that works too. lol I can move up twice, for moving down once.

If 4 spots is good for you, its good for me.

268

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 22:42

Sold. Proposal sent.

269

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 22:59

wow--got the two IDP guys I really wanted. Why do I suspect I'm missing something important about that...?

:)

270

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 23:02

They were both diagnosed with the new Super-AIDS. Didn't you hear?

Sarge, sent official trade proposal on site -- you may need to accept there as well as here. Just sent an email to you and damoose also, just because I'm paranoid like that.

271

dpr
ID: 1990714
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 23:08

you guys probably want to turn off your queues. If joe picks challenger is normally really fast and then we would be past sarge.

272

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 23:11

Good thinkin'. Mine's off; unfortunately, mine isn't exactly the limiting factor.

273

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 23:14

accepted and blanked my que

274

dpr
ID: 1990714
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 23:23

PS, dont take my guy

275

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 23:24

yeah DW...what he said.

276

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 23:26

I think you're safe Sarge!

(that is all)

(muahaha)

(nah, just kidding, you're probably fine too dpr)

277

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 23:35

Re-added my queue in case trade happens while I am away from computer -- curious to see how system adapts to the pick swap.

278

dpr
ID: 1990714
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 23:36

want to just say your pick and have sarge draft it? y didnt it go thru?

279

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 23:44

rolled over to me at 11:32pm eastern. Clock shuts off at 1, so that would be 1H28M. Problem could be in the morning, as the clock comes back on at 6am eastern, which is 3 am my time in CA.

280

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 23:54

crap...its midnight on the east coast now, dont want to call damoose and have him push the trade through....

dont want to time out on my pick, which happens at 7:30 in the morning my time...and for reasons I dont want to get into, getting to a comp by then my time is FAR from a given.

281

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 00:01

ahh, it got put through...TY!!! :)

282

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 00:04

Can someone double check my work with that? I'm at my 2nd job, no cpu here...

283

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 00:08

10.4 and 10.8 need to swap. along with 14.4 and 14.8

284

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 00:09

the 14s can prolly wait till tomorrow, then 10s, prolly can too to be honest

285

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 00:17

From what I see, I did switch those...am I losing my mind?

286

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 00:18

Moose, everything looks good on the trade

287

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 00:20

those are swapped now...didnt show that way when I posted before. Looks A-OK now

288

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 00:21

DW said he set his que, 45 mins ago...why hasnt it picked from it?

289

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 00:24

When I swapped picks, might've deleted his queue...or picks before might've emptied it

290

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 00:28

wonder if the swap does delete it? Doubt he'd have only put 2 guys in the que.

291

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 00:50

The swap deletes your queue. When I swapped with dat dude my queue got wiped.

292

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 00:54

Someone might want to shoot him an email, letting him know that

293

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 00:57

calling...lft msg

294

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 01:36

4 picks then me...5 in the que

295

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 02:07

We are doing good guys...we are ahead of the aaa leagues...it will probably slow down over the weekend...I hope no one is in harms way of hurricane...

I'll be unavailable tonight from around 4 am - 11 am

296

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 02:52

Lol, Damoose do you sleep?

I'm not sure what my schedule it going to look like tomorrow, but I have queues set up for my 10th round picks and my 11th round. I hope they last, because if they don't I'm going to have fun without easy access to my cheat sheets.

297

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 08:42

Back on track. If y'all were waiting on a pick run after 1 AM, you're sick, sick people! :)

Trade may not have been needed on my end but realized dat dude had a pick at 9.9 from his other trade, and I wasn't going to like the result.

Was going to take Stafford at 7.11 but noooooooo.

298

dpr
ID: 1990714
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 10:35

I was looking QB again this round to give me 2 solid options. Was fearing that was why you jumped up. Still, I rated Flacco and Freeman pretty equally so was happy to get one.

299

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 11:48

Would have settled for Flacco if I had to, but it gets dicey after that.

300

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 15:14

if the clock runs on weekends, I figure Joe to be down to about 7 minutes

301

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 15:23

He has three hours on the clock...I think he may be weather affected today...should I pause the clock?

302

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 15:26

Dunno, see if he's reachable by phone and can set a queue for both picks maybe?

303

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 15:29

ahhh my draft is showing me local time...PT...my bad

304

Dat Dude
ID: 67542717
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 18:54

If i take more than an hour with my pick. That means the hurricane took out my power or . Someone text me if that happens. Im hoping joe can get his picks in so the auto picks can get to me before we have to worry about that.

305

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 18:58

Once Joe makes his pick, it will roll from 11.3 to 11.12 in about 2 seconds with all the ques set.

306

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 19:26

I sent Joe a text, hopefully he'll pick. I hope he's still got power and cell service

307

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 19:55

8 minutes later: He picks :P

308

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 20:12

Guru'sssss, now that's funny! Elvis is obviously in your building(s)

For the others, both guru's just drafted Elvis D with their last pick in different drafts.

309

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 20:35

That's actually kind of bizarre.

So I'm trying out a strategy I tried last year, QB by Committee (You may say "but you spent a 4th round pick on a QB? That's not waiting" but Schaub was the 10th QB taken overall).

Last year I tried it with Kolb and an undrafted MIA QB. This year Schaub and Sanchez. If the weekly predictions are mildly accurate both QBs will end up with 290 points or 10 more points than Brady, and just a little short of what Vick/Rodgers does.

Here's to it working out better than last year!

310

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 20:43

I'm going with Josh Freeman by committee. I haven't tried it before. It probably won't work.

Of course, if I can just copy his stat line from last year, it's a pretty good deal...

311

Dat Dude
ID: 67542717
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 20:51

was thinking of getting freeman like 2 picks after you took him Wetzel. Didnt expect them to fly of the board so quickly

312

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 20:56

I thought you might -- that's why I traded up!

313

Dat Dude
ID: 67542717
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 21:16

very good move on your part

314

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 21:39

Goldcoach will want that pick back, Thomas is out for year

315

sarge33rd
ID: 52744259
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 21:40

yep...I had looked at that earlier myself. Almost put him in my que.

316

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 22:16

It's on reason I do a very fast google search of the guys I put in my queue or before I draft them. Did they get arrested, do something off field to get hurt or are they hurt and done forever?

The only one that I've looked twice at was Beason so far but they say he could play if this was the regular season.

317

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Aug 28, 2011, 01:27

Ah, V--ya took Weddle out from under me. I almost took him just before you, but I needed a DL. Wedd was at the top o'my queue.

318

Goldcoach
ID: 439131016
Sun, Aug 28, 2011, 14:02

Re 314
Sigh...its what I get for stretching myself two thin and rushing to set up queues. No worries though I've got an easy drop when free agency opens up and I get the guy everyone overlooked :)

319

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 00:24

Can someone clarify a scoring question? If I draft an IDP who records a sack, is that one point? Or three (a sack, a tackle, and a QB hit)?

320

sarge33rd
ID: 497422816
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 00:29

5 I think. 2 for TFL too isnt there? They had a fair discussion about this in AAA.

321

sarge33rd
ID: 497422816
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 00:34

Sacks are tallied as TFL I think by the NFL. Screen Passes tackled behind the loS, are not tallied as TFL for reasons I cant fathom.

322

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 00:43

I would think, but I'm not sure. It actually has a bit of bearing in the next guy, since I'm looking at IDP and one player is likely to have more sacks than the other, so if the projected sack total is high enough to overcome the other guy's likely tackle total I'd go with the guy with more likely sacks.

323

sarge33rd
ID: 497422816
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 01:02

I honestly dont know PD. Could well be, that TFL supplants tackle, since both ARE "tackles". I'd expect the sack to net 4 or 5 (solo sacks that is) depending on whether or not TFL and Tackle get counted, or just the TFL. *shrug*

324

sarge33rd
ID: 497422816
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 02:40

heh PD just got me out of hot water re fantasy football. I got to say "See, I'm not so bad, Guy who just now made his draft pick? Its 2:30 in the morning where he is." :)

Thanks Dude!!! :p

325

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 03:08

I believe a sack would be 2 points...1 for sack, 1 for tackle...sacks are not counted as tfl...

I will try to get further clarification on if a sack also registers a point for a qb hit

326

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 10:30

Seems to me the +2 for "tackle for loss" might come into play as well.

I definitely would like clarification before my next pick.

327

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 10:37

PD,

I passed this issue to Guru to see if he can clarify for us.

328

damoose
Dude
ID: 181042723
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 10:46

A sack does count as a TFL, but not a QB hit.

So a sack should be effectively worth 4.

Here is the best definition I've found for QB hit:
To qualify for a hit, a defender must knock the quarterback to the ground in the act of throwing, or after he has thrown the ball. Hits that result in roughing the passer penalties are included.

329

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 11:09

So we're going to get points for penalties. That's a first for this league. Hopefully we'll soon get yards on plays our WR get PI'd.

330

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 11:16

Why do you think I got James Harrison?

:)

Will pick in a sec.

331

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 11:50

Hey guys,

I'm an insurance agent in eastern Pa. Obviously with the weather yesterday I'm pretty busy today. I will do my best to keep a queue but can make no promises. Que is set for my closest pick and I'm going to try and set one for the next pick after the turn.

332

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 15:50

I was on the road when my pick came up, and I'm back on an actual computer. I'll make my pick before 4est. Sorry for the small delay

333

Dat Dude
ID: 55762918
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 19:06

My power's been out since saturday night. just got it back like 20 minutes ago. Ill try to get my picks in soon.

334

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 00:19

Crap. I did not want Mason Crosby the kicker for that round pick. I thought I was picking a defensive lineman and thought I had my whole que from defense. I must have scrolled up in the positional listing w/out realizing it. Did not want to draft 2 PK's. So if somebody wants either Janikowski or Crosby, throw me an offer.

335

sarge33rd
ID: 77382923
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 01:00

offer sent via the site

336

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 02:31

I realize I am "on the clock" once it restarts this morning, but I have sent Rotoguru Jr. a trade idea. If we can't work anything out or I don't hear from him before noon EST, then I will make my pick.

337

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 10:20

UPDATE: Insiders close to the Enhanced Performers have stated that they are close to working out a deal for Carter. Currently both sides are in a meeting and a deal hope a deal will be worked out in the next hour.

338

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 10:29

Trade announcement:

Rotoguru Jr. (Kevin) gives
Delone Carter, RB, IND
Pick 22.02 (296th)

for

Kyle gives
Pick 17.09 (233rd)
Pick 18.06 (244th)

339

Kevin
ID: 26352810
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 10:36

Trade Confirmed. I have offered it through the site.

340

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 10:39

Trade:

Khahan gives S Janiskowski to sarge

sarge gives 19.07 to Khahan

341

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 10:42

I have picked Jason Snelling as per e-mail agreement for Kevin, so we can keep the draft moving.

342

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 10:46

Kyle,

Did you accept the trade through the site? now, the trade would have to be changed to include snelling in it since you drafted him.

343

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 10:47

khahan,

I processed that trade for you.

344

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 10:55

Damoose I did, I didn't think it would it would compicate things what can I do to fix it?

345

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 10:56

I just don't see your trade in my pending trades to review.

346

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 11:06

kyle,

i think when you made the selection of snelling, that nixed the trade.

offer another trade

Rotoguru Jr. (Kevin) gives
Delone Carter, RB, IND
Pick 22.02 (296th)

for

Kyle gives
Jason Snelling
Pick 18.06 (244th)

347

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 11:06

I re-proposed it with the 2 players and 2 picks. Sorry for the confusion I'm causing. This year I'm trade happy.

349

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 11:08

I processed the trade. Everything should be good now.

350

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 13:51

A+ name change, dat dude.

351

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 15:31

Wow, I literally have no idea what direction I want to go with this pick and the picks ahead of me were no help. It would have been nice if you had left like only 2 or 3 of the name I am looking at left, but I have about 8 different guys I could go with for this pick. I'm going to sit on it for about an hour and figure out what I'm going to do. My pick will be in around 4:30 est.

352

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 16:21

Apparently kickers are a hot commodity. I'd try one of those.

353

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 16:33

DWetzel, you should look at my RIFC history. I wait until the last round EVERY single year. A kicker is a kicker is a kicker. I fully believe that there is absolutely no way to predict what a kicker will do. Round 24 will be a kicker for me. Rounds 1-23 will be an actual football player.

354

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 16:46

The difference between the top kickers and the bottom ones is about 60-65 RIFC points in the season. Which is 2-3 games of points from the best "real players."

In other words, should you choose to sit your best player for two games, that would be about the same as a Kaeding, Janikowski, or Hartley will get over the scrub kickers.

I don't think you'll be making up that much by continuing to look at your second and third string "real players."

So long as they earn points, it is best, at this point in the draft, to get the best points producers you can regardless of position.

IMHO.

355

DWetzel
ID: 49962710
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 17:09

Sure, that's fine. However, that's looking at things after the fact, when you know who the best kickers are.

Found a site with 2010 kicker rankings:

1. Nate Kaeding, Chargers
2. Garrett Hartley, Saints
3. Ryan Longwell, Vikings
4. David Akers, Eagles
5. Rob Bironas, Titans
6. Stephen Gostkowski, Patriots
7. Mason Crosby, Packers
8. Jay Feely, Cardinals
9. Lawrence Tynes, Giants
10. Robbie Gould, Bears
11. Neil Rackers, Texans
12. Joe Nedney, 49ers
13. Dan Carpenter, Dolphins
14. Sebastian Janikowski, Raiders
15. Matt Prater, Broncos
16. Adam Vinatieri, Colts
17. Jason Hanson, Lions
18. Jeff Reed, Steelers
19. Olindo Mare, Seahawks
20. Nick Folk, Jets
21. Shayne Graham, Ravens
22. Matt Bryant, Falcons
23. Rian Lindell, Bills
24. Phil Dawson, Browns
25. John Kasay, Panthers
26. Josh Scobee, Jaguars
27. Dave Rayner, Bengals
28. Ryan Succop, Chiefs
29. David Buehler, Cowboys
30. Graham Gano, Redskins
31. Connor Barth, Buccaneers
32. Josh Brown, Rams

The #1 ranked kicker was 16th. The #2 ranked kicker was 22nd.

On the other hand... The 14th ranked kicker was 1st. The 32nd ranked kicker was 4th, sandwiched between the #11 ranked kicker and the #22 ranked kicker.

I mean, I'm all for 50 extra fantasy points as much as the next guy, but I'm also modest enough to know that I'm throwing darts at a wall when it comes to this stuff (and so is everyone else).

356

DWetzel
ID: 49962710
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 17:11

(If it's not obvious, I'm firmly on Kyle's side of this.)

357

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 17:15

The #1 ranked kicker was 16th. The #2 ranked kicker was 22nd.

I've no idea what you mean by this. #1 ranked by what measure? I'm using our actual scoring system myself--what scoring system are you looking at?

At this point in the draft, you can literally say that about any of these players. Yet kickers, by and large, are more consistent than any players still on the boards. And they are all starters.

Hey, if you think you can get those extra points from another WR or RB by all means take the points. There is literally no one on the boards which doesn't also fail the same criteria you are using to knock an entire position.

358

DWetzel
ID: 49962710
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 18:03

The #1 ranked kicker according to the linked preseason ranking list (by someone who presumed to think they know something about kickers), Nate Kaeding, was 16th in points in our league last season. The #1 point getter in our league by kickers (Sebastian Janikowski) was ranked #14 on that list. And so forth.

Now, I did randomly pull a list from page 1 of Google after googling "2010 kicker rankings", so it's possible that all the other ones are accurate and I hit a stinker.

Your point about variance from random WRs and RBs and IDPs at this point is also noted.

359

sarge33rd
ID: 77382923
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 18:11

Generally, K is seen as little more than a crap shoot and to a degree it is true. But no more so than RB, QB etc etc.

Yes, its a 'safe' bet R White will outscore Kenny Britt by a substantial amount. Providing Roddy doesnt get hurt in the 1st game of the season and miss the rest of it. (As happened to me 1 yr with a Broncos WR who managed to break his damn leg on the 1st play from scrimmage in the 1st regular season game of the year.) When injuries are factored in, the whole damn thing is a crap shoot BUT....P Manning is LIKELY to throw more long TD passes than T Jackson, and some K's are more likely to boot 50 yarders than others are.

IMHO, it isnt the XP that makes the K valuable in FF, its the + bonus for long kicks made and/or the - penalty for misses.

360

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 18:14

Ok here's an example based on where the players finished last year based on our scoring system and where they were drafted (On average) in the 4 RIFC leagues last year. You'll notice the #1 overall kicker went undrafted in ALL 4 LEAGUES!

#	Ovr	Player	Pts	Drafted	Avg	Low	High	Leagues
1	69	Janikowski, Sebastian OAK PK	158	No	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
2	80	Akers, David PHI PK	155.5	249	19.08	18.05	20.06	4
3	97	Rackers, Neil HOU PK	141	320	22.13	21.13	24.04	4
4	108	Brown, Josh STL PK	138	No	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
5	109	Bryant, Matt ATL PK	138	400	24.1	23.08	23.08	1
6	110	Buehler, David DAL PK	138	360	23.14	20.1	20.1	1
7	111	Vinatieri, Adam IND PK	138	326	23.01	21.06	24.02	3
8	126	Carpenter, Dan MIA PK	135	355	23.11	21.07	24.05	3
9	130	Folk, Nick NYJ PK	134	405	24.11	23.12	23.12	1
10	158	Cundiff, Billy BAL PK	125	No	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
11	162	Crosby, Mason GBP PK	124	271	20.11	18.02	23.02	4
12	164	Bironas, Rob TEN PK	123.5	284	21.03	20.07	21.12	4
13	166	Feely, Jay ARI PK	123.5	421	24.14	24.13	24.13	1
14	175	Scobee, Josh JAC PK	122	No	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
15	181	Gould, Robbie CHI PK	121	398	24.09	24.03	24.12	3
16	184	Kaeding, Nate SDC PK	120	225	17.12	14.12	20.07	4
17	208	Barth, Connor TBB PK	113	No	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
18	211	Succop, Ryan KCC PK	113	No	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
19	214	Mare, Olindo SEA PK	112.5	No	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
20	215	Gano, Graham WAS PK	112	No	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
21	227	Reed, Jeff SFO PK	110	No	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
22	233	Hartley, Garrett NOS PK	109	239	19.01	17.14	19.11	4
23	234	Kasay, John CAR PK	109	No	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
24	235	Tynes, Lawrence NYG PK	109	372	24.03	23.03	24.08	3
25	265	Dawson, Phil CLE PK	101	No	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
26	328	Lindell, Rian BUF PK	89.5	No	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A
27	356	Prater, Matt DEN PK	84	311	22.08	21.14	23.05	4
28	373	Longwell, Ryan MIN PK	82	270	20.1	18.14	23.04	4

You'll see the difference between the #1 kicker and #10 kicker is 33 points or 2 points per week. The thing is 3 of those top 10 kickers weren't drafted, and 3 more were drafted in only one league. When 60% of the top 10 at a position is basically undrafted, then I don't see the point of wasting a pick that can be a dart thrown at a potentially safer position like RB, WR, or LB.

You'll also see the #1 overall drafted kicker finished 16th in our scoring, or not even worthy of a starters position.

361

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 18:19

Not listed, but drafted in all 4 leagues was Gostkowski, Stephen NEP PK, who finished 34th among all scoring kickers. He was drafted an average of 19.12. I figured I'd put the top 28 since there's 14 teams and realistically all teams could draft or pick up 2 kickers to cover bye weeks.

362

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 18:50

Re: 359 -- Ed McCaffrey! Except I think it was late in the first quarter.

My wife decided to play fantasy football that year, and she had McCaffrey and her opponent had Rod Smith. Broncos kept throwing it to Rod Smith and she said, and I quote, "I wish Rod Smith would just break his leg".

Next play... oops.

363

sarge33rd
ID: 77382923
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 19:42

Yes it was Ed, but it was Denvers first play from scrimmage. He was to have been my 'stud' WR that season. 2nd or 3rd rd draft pick

364

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 19:42

Gostkowski also only played in 8 games last year

365

sarge33rd
ID: 77382923
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 19:50

my memory is going south apparently. Only yr Ed shows less than a full season, was 2001, with 1 game, 6 rec and 94 yds.,

Must have been 1st qtr and my mind made it even worse and implanted..1st possession.

366

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 20:01

You should take another drink, sarge.

As for the kickers, I've no problem with anyone's strategy. Really. But looking at the players on the board at this point in the draft it seems clear (to me) that kickers are a better source of more points than others on the board at this point in the draft.

Take 'em. Or not. I've got my stud kicker already so you're all playing for second place anyway.

367

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 20:03

I wanted to try to keep up on these, but I've failed. Here's the rounds 6-16.

6.06 Jon Beason, CAR LB
Beast mode. He'll be on the field A LOT this season since his offense sucks. His achiles scares me a little but the last time he missed was never. He's moved back to MLB and is now playing in the defense that Brian Urlacher recorded 100's of tackles a year. I'm all about the tackles.

7.09 Joseph Addai, IND RB
Someone is going to have to catch Kerry Collins' passes... This is a homer pick because I still think he's a top 10 RB who will have 10 combined TDs and 1500 total yards. If he stays healthy… if he doesn't then I'll have a backup plan

8.01 Paul Posluszny, JAC LB
Another LB on a terrible offensive team. He moved the MLB last year and saw a statistical hit, but I think he can return top a 100 tackle, 8 TO and 1 or 2 sack type player. I traded up to get him because I had him pegged as my 8th round pick, but when I looked at the teams drafting in front of me I had a sneaking suspicion that he would be snatched in front of me. 2 LBs were picked between this pick and my original, and I wasn't thrilled with the drop off between Pos and the next tier.

10.01 Jacoby Ford, OAK WR
I think the 10th round is long enough to wait to draft a 3rd WR. Ford should be the #1 WR in Oakland and as a burner, he fits exactly what they want to get back to: "Oakland Raider Football". To me that means throw the ball all over the place, lose a lot of games, and have a KR who racks up a bunch of yards. Well Ford is the KR and either the 1 or 2 WR. I think 900 yards and 9 TDs is reasonable for recieving and if he can pull out 1000 KR yards, then I will be very happy.

10.06 Mark Sanchez, NYJ QB
Part 2 of my QBBC. According to FBGs "If you simply played the one with the better matchup each week, this is the schedule you'd face: DAL | JAX | NO | BAL | NE | MIA | TEN | JAX | CLE | NE | DEN | JAX | ATL | KC | PHI | NYG" That's a pretty solid match up line, and I intend to follow this plan. On top of that, Sanchez is getting more mature and able to lead his team and throw the rock around more often

11.09 Brian Cushing, HOU LB
LBs are the RBs of the IDP, and even with starting 2 DL and 2 DBs you need 3 good LBs week in week out. Cushing, whie being a cheat his rookie year, is a productive LB who in a 3-4 will handling more of the run. I also think he'll get the occasional sack, QB hit, and PD, but I think in this system he'll handle something of the Ray Lewis role. 90 solos, another 30-35 assists and quite a few TFL look to be a lock.

12.06 Danieal Manning, HOU S
I love starters who also KR/PR. Danieal Manning would have filled both roles on the Bears had he not had 2 of the best returnmen in front of him. He recorded 92 TTkl 2 years ago as a full time starter, and I think a return to that plus 900 KR and 400 PR yards are in order. Plus with still below CBs on the Texans, he should be making a lot of downfield tackles, so you could see even more tackles.

13.09 Rashad Jennings, JAC RB
Handcuff to MJD. If he gets hurt, I need some insurance. Jennings is a very capable back who can carry the rock just as well as MJD.

14.06 Dustin Keller, NYJ TE
Last year even with Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards he recorded close to 700 and 5. I think similar numbers are in order with Braylon gone and Plax in. I also think they'll allow Sanchez throw the ball more often, so his safety valve will see more throws

15.09 Jason Pierre-Paul, NYG DE
This kid is a beast. I think he'll get a ton of TFL, sacks and even regular old fashioned Tackles. There's a certain DE who's ahead of him on the depth chart, but he certainly won't stay there for long if he's not healthy or even on the team.

15.13 Delone Carter, IND RB
Handcuff to Addai. I've got 2 injury prone RBs and now I have their backups. Carter has looked amazing in the preseason and all reports out of Indy is the former 1st round pick who was billed to replace Addai is well on his way out. Carter may even become the goal line back and get 5 or 6 TDs if Addai isn't hurt. The reason I traded up 4 rounds, I absolutely needed him to be apart of this team. If Addai goes down (and he will) Carter will automatically become my RB2.

16.06 Michael Griffin, TEN S
Time for another Safety. Saftey's are the WRs to CB's TE. I'm all about the tackles and the players on bad offensive teams. Griffin fits both bills and should get about 5 or 6 points a week.

368

sarge33rd
ID: 77382923
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 20:11

as per 225...my strategy this year involved a Magic 8-Ball and the repeated question.."Does Kyle intend to pick this guy next rd?"

369

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 20:45

This year Sarge, it seems you have done a good job staying out of my queue. There's only been a few instances where you took someone I had my eye on. I need to thank your 8 ball! ;)

370

Syncopats
ID: 127531916
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 13:15

Perm: trade offered via MFL site.

371

sarge33rd
ID: 77382923
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 14:30

c'mon gang...almost done,. Lets not drop the ball now. 2 picks in 17 hours???

372

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 14:37

THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!

373

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 14:39

How did we go 12 1/2 hrs between Gold coasts and Khagan's pick? What happened to our time clock?
This is why we needed a reasonable time to stop the clock east coast !

374

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 15:11

I'm a little disappointed too, but this isnt unexpected. I expected the last few rounds to take forever. We were ahead of the RIFC at one point but they just flew by us. If you look at their draft summary, almost all of the last few rounds were done by pre-draft selections.

We have three rounds to go. It should not take too much longer to complete.

We have ten guys who average under an hour for their selections.

Valk,

What would be a reasonable clock for you? I'm a little east coach bias obv. because I live on the east coast. Right now, its 1 am to 8 am east coast time. It's hard to please everyone living in different parts of the country and probably working different schedules.

375

sarge33rd
ID: 77382923
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 15:14

point of order....

website shows Goldcoach making his pick at 7:04:39 pm Pacific Time or 10:34:39 pm Eastern.

Clock runs to 1 am easyern, or 4:39 shy of 3 hours.

Clock starts at 6 am eastern, so K had until 9:04:39 eastern to make his pick.

Site says he made his pick at 7:40:38 Pacific which is 10:4-:38 eastern. 1H35M50S AFTER, he should have timed out.

Explanation requested please.

376

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 15:15

Sarge:

Objection denied. Starts at 8 AM eastern, not 6 AM.

And, even if he was skipped, he could have still made the pick before the next person in line.

377

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 15:17

goldcoach made his selection at 10:04 pm. The clock stops at 1 am. That's two hours and 56 minutes.

Khahan made his selection at 10:40 am. The clock starts at 8 am. That's two hours and 40 mins.

Combined time on the clock is 5 hours and 34 minutes.

Timer is 6 hours.

378

sarge33rd
ID: 77382923
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 15:18

my bad...clock starts at 8 eastern, not 6

379

dpr
ID: 1990714
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 15:23

in terms of clock, we are nearly done but I have always felt the overnight pauses were too long. The point is so that the draft doesnt interrupt your sleep and so that we dont miss picks for the that reason, but with a 7 hour pause and 6 hour clock we get 13 hours. No one sleeps that long. Something like 1-6 pause gives the person 11 hours which should be enough to sleep and they wont time out as long as they check in soon before bed and after rising.

Also, things obviously come up and people are going to take longer than expected, but in those cases the peopl to follow should have had ample time to be prepared for their upcoming pick. Especially at these late stages when a 1 person queue for a pick 10 slots off has a good chance to last. The 13 hour pause followed by 5 just kills momentum.

380

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 15:28

dpr,

that's a good thought. I based our timer stoppage off of what i read about RIFC's timer. We will have to bring it up next year.

381

Valkyrie
ID: 210563113
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 15:47

I am not really raising the east coast bias issue in round 21 of our draft- just pointing out how ridiculous it is. No one should ever have over 12 hours to draft unless you do something silly like starting anyone's time clock before 6 am in their time zone LOL.

382

sarge33rd
ID: 77382923
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 16:12

you mean like the 8 am start time Eastern, is 5 am in California? ;p

383

DWetzel
ID: 49962710
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 16:46

We've officially reached the stage of the draft where I'm almost hoping one or two people on my queue get taken just to confirm that I'm not completely insane with the people I have in my queue.

384

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 16:53

hey all, sorry for the delay. I checked in the other night mid-evening and wasn't up. then fell asleep. got up, got my kids ready for school and came into work.....which I noted above. This has just been an extremely busy week for me with the weather we've had in the northeast.

385

Valkyrie
ID: 210563113
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 17:39

NP Khahan- you have been diligent throughout the entirety of the rest of the draft (at least to the best of my recollection). Everyone deserves to sleep on occasion- fortunately you east coasters can- LOL - you should have timed out but in round 21 that is not a catastrophe and I am not complaining that you didn't- just making fun of the time clock.

386

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 17:51

Sorry guys just got in. Picking soon.

387

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 10:34

sorry for the delay, fellas. My internet connection went down late last night (sometime right after my previous pick) and I only got it going a bit ago.

At this point there we're all just filling out our rosters but I hate holding things up, even just to pick up a second stringer like Harrison.

389

sarge33rd
ID: 20835110
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 12:01

my bad..need more coffee...

390

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 21:30

We are so close...three picks...

one week til kickoff...I'm excited

391

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 22:55

Yeah, and I am completely out of picks. And worried about Foster. I am so screwed if he goes down for any period of time. grrr.

392

sarge33rd
ID: 20835110
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 00:04

Once upon a time, the idea of LT and Cadillac in the same backfield would have been seen as 'unfair'. Now? It begs the question...WTF was I thinking? lol

393

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 09:31

Awesome job guys getting the draft all done. It went faster than I thought.

The waiver system will turn on at 10 am est, and setup the priorities in the reverse of the first round of the draft.

Waivers will be run at noon (ET) on Monday, Sept. 5. Following a 3-hour lockout period, free agent add/drops will begin at 3pm on Monday. From that point forward, dropped players will be subject to a one-day lockout and subject to waiver claims.

394

sarge33rd
ID: 4380210
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 11:19

"Just in case" question....Reports are that M Spurlock is being considered for the nr3 QB slot. "Just in case" the nr 1 went down and the nr2 looked shakey...if I slot him at WR (as he was drafted) and he ends up playing QB....do I get his QB points?

395

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 11:33

Sarge,

You should. The way everything is set up, anyone can get points for whatever they do (kickers get credit for tackles, for instance). If Janikowski pulls a Garo Yepremian and throws an INT, you should get the -2 points for that too.

396

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 12:08

Question on waivers - I set up a waiver claim this morning to drop a player and add a player. Is this handled automatically or manually by the commish (only asking because of the language on the transaction page made me think its manually done).

so Monday at noon, assuming nobody higher than me puts a claim in on this guy, I'll add/drop and starting at 3 that day I can add/drop whoever I want off of the FA list. sound right?

397

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 14:08

it should be done automatically. I should have no part in waivers unless something goes horribly wrong and we have to redo it.

the second part sounds correct although I'm not 100% sure. I'll defer answering until I get an answer from another commish.

398

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 14:32

thanks damoose. was only asking because going thru the waiver screens there is a spot to 'send a note to your commissioner about processing this waiver request.' I thought that was kind of odd if it was automated.

399

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 14:58

Are we going to do a recap thread ala the big boys, or should we post that here.

I'm currently finishing up my rationales for the other picks so you guys get an inside look of the Late Round picks with Kyle ;)

400

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 15:30

Are we going to do a recap thread ala the big boys, or should we post that here.

Here's the rest of my rationales for the other picks so you guys get an inside look of the Late Round picks with Kyle ;)

19.09 Cribbs, Josh CLE WR
"This was the pick I made when I had no idea which direction to go. I needed a WR4 and I know I will be scouring the waivers early and often for a WR5. I like Cribbs' potential, but this was a major reach.
From camp reports the Cleveland QB is looking amazing (even the national guys are saying this) and the #1 WR is hurt right now. If Cribbs can establish a report with said undrafted QB, I think that could lead to an 800 yard season and a few receiving TDs. Added to his KRs, PRs, runs, and ST tackles, I think he could get a solid double digit result each game.
To steal from IAC's rationale from the big boys (in which he took him in the 24th round...) He scored 12PPG two years ago in our format, and by all indications, he’s been having a good preseason. He’s even saying he doesn’t care where the ball falls on kickoffs, he’ll be returning the out of the endzone at any depth. IAC also lists him as a WR/KR/PR/WildCatQB/Double Reverse Specialist/Special Teams Gunner. I think Cleveland should do that"

20.06 Moeaki, Tony KCC TE
You know how I'm doing a QBBC? I'm also doing a TEBC. I was the last person to draft a TE. Moeaki's schedule lines up well with Keller, and he has a QB who could be looking for his TE more often this year. As a Dewayne Bowe owner, I hope Moeaki is a solid #2 reciever for KC, but I also hope he doesn't take away too many looks from Bowe.

21.09 James, Bradie DAL LB
Back up IDP. His bye week matches up with well with my other IDPs so he'll be a starter for 4 or 5 weeks of the year. He has had 100 tackles in each of the last 4 seasons, so if he keeps that up then I should be looking at a minimum of 6.5 points a week (5 solo, 3 assist per game) but I think it'll be more with the addition of TFL and QB Hits since he plays in a 3-4 and plays behind the line of scrimage a bunch.

22.02 Rubin, Ahtyba CLE DT
I needed a 2nd DL. He had a bunch of tackles last year. I think he'll be on the field a lot because their offense while improved, still isn't good. I also think they'll be playing from behind a lot which means the defense will see a lot of runs. Why not get the run stopper on a defense that will see a lot of runs? I don't know. Sometimes IDP is an absolute crapshoot for me, and if he turns out to be a 14 week starter for me then I'll be happy. If he plays 3 weeks and is cut from the team, then I won't be surprised.

22.06 Atogwe, Oshiomogho WAS S
"This pick was a ""How is he still available"" pick. He's moved to a new team, he's a little nicked up this preseason, but he's had at least 70 tackles each year. I'll gladly take him and have him as a DB3 and the occasional IDP Flex play when the bye weeks call for it. Honestly if he plays 2 weeks for me and puts up 10 points in each week then I'll consider this a steal. If he gets cut, he's a 22nd rounder. Big deal.
Also this is his player photo:
GAME

23.09 Dorsey, Glenn KCC DE
See Rubin, Ahtyba. I don't know if I want a back up DL, but it's better to have one now, then have to cut another player on a bye week to get one. We'll see if he makes it past week 4 for me though.

24.06 Gould, Robbie CHI PK
"A kicker is a kicker is a….
Ok, you know my feelings on kickers, but this is actually a good kicker. ""Good As Gould"" is a fantastic play, as I see his team not putting the ball in the endzone a ton, but he will get plenty of looks from his defense and STs being one of the best in the league. Not only that, but he has a week 8 bye, so that's late enough to carry some of my extra players and drop someone to pick up a backup kicker."

401

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 15:36

Hope this helps if anyone has any questions about waivers/free agents

Until Monday noon, people can put in waiver claims. This is done via the "Add Player" page.They need to specify that round by round. At noon, all claims will be processed, in priority order, until all claims are settled.

Then there is a 3 hour period where no transactions take place. This is primarily to give people a chance to digest what happened, before free agent adds are started.

Starting at 3pm Monday, free agents can be added immediately, except for players dropped with the past day. Those will be subject to another waiver claim after a day. For players dropped at noon Monday, I think that will happen at 3am ET Wednesday - but it might be on Tuesday. I don't recall when the cutoff is. But the only players subject to waivers for the rest of the week will be dropped players.

Waiver priorities reset after each week for the first six weeks based on the reverse of the standings, so really there is no reason to try to preserve your current waiver priority for now.

The Waiver help page may help answer general questions.

http://football22.myfantasyleague.com/2011/support?L=25571&CATEGORY=Transactions&SUBCATEGORY=Waivers%2FFA%20-%20General

402

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 15:37

Kyle,

If people are interested in doing a draft recap. I can start a new thread.

403

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sun, Sep 04, 2011, 11:40

Damoose I think you incorrectly did the waiver period. I was able to add and drop a player. While I thought I was setting up a waiver it ended up showing the player I added on my roster.

404

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Sun, Sep 04, 2011, 22:08

Yea I just noticed...I will check tonight after work, it won't be til like 3 am. All roster moves may be reversed til waivers starts.

405

damoose on phone
Dude
ID: 181042723
Mon, Sep 05, 2011, 03:37

I should have reversed those transactions. This isnt how I wanted to start the season.

406

sarge33rd
ID: 13856817
Fri, Sep 09, 2011, 01:10

get out the bandages...One of my CBs had to be helped off the field already...

407

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Fri, Sep 09, 2011, 11:22

Sorry to hear that Sarge

;)

Syncopats with the week 1 leader in the clubhouse for "dammit, why didn't I start..." with Darren Sproles.

408

Syncopats
ID: 127531916
Fri, Sep 09, 2011, 11:44

Yep, you got that right. Sigh.

409

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Sep 09, 2011, 13:30

I was worried about Sproles when I saw the yards he was piling up on KR's--dodged a bullet there.

So far so good.

410

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 14:12

It's early yet, but so far my QB options for today are ranked as follows:

Colt McCoy
Ryan Leaf
Peyton Manning (via trade)
Cooper Manning
Cecil Cooper
D.B. Cooper
Josh Freeman

Naturally, I chose the latter.

411

sarge33rd
ID: 138411112
Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 17:53

TY PERCY!! 103 yd return for a TD. :)

412

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 19:11

anybody know why kaeding isn't kicking today?

413

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 19:15

Injured himself on the opening kickoff that Harvin returned for a TD.

(No, I'm not kidding.)

414

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 10:25

Out for the season. Best kicker in the league, and I get one non-counting kick out of him!

Not a bad first week--a lot of games are still quite close.

415

sarge33rd
ID: 318171211
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 12:17

who;d have thunk..LT or C Williams...better starts yesterday than Mendenhall. :(

416

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 12:21

I had one hell of a week, but probably lost Amendola for the year (at least most of it). (Sorry to hear that, DWetzel)

How do those waiver/free agency rules work again?

417

sarge33rd
ID: 318171211
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 13:10

lol DW (at the self deprecating humor, not at the injury)

418

dpr
ID: 1990714
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 11:13

pretty solid week for me but frustrating to see that i left the number 1 WR and RB on by bench. Will have to see if I can fit them in next week.

When do waiver claims have to be in by?

419

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 13:33

164.5 with a potential of 223 is a "pretty solid week"?

link

(Wish I could have gotten our matchup out of the way week 1. I'm an ass that way though.)

420

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 14:47

From the league calendar for Sept 14 (Wednesday)

Waiver Request ends at 12:00 p.m.

Waiver Request (Locked Players Only) starts at 3:00 p.m.

No Free Agent Moves Allowed ends at 3:00 p.m.

421

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 17:06

Must be a record. Week 1 is over, week 2 hasn't even started and I'm already 0-2 according to our scoreboard.

So far I'm really not a fan of this site.

422

sarge33rd
ID: 148511322
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 17:08

everyone plays double headers K

423

damoose
ID: 08121419
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 20:12

Yea each week, you play two match ups...if you have any other questions, just ask

424

Syncopats
ID: 127531916
Thu, Sep 15, 2011, 13:08

Didn't see this in the rules...is there a deadline to submit the line-up for the week? Or can it be modified anytime prior to game-time?

425

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Thu, Sep 15, 2011, 13:26

Weekly Lineup Setup
Lineup Submission Deadline: Players Are Locked At Kickoff Of Their Game
Are Partial Lineups Allowed? YES

Pretty sure that means if your two QBs are both Monday night starters, you should be able to pick one up until Monday night kickoff. (Disclaimer: I am not the commish!)

426

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Sep 15, 2011, 14:10

Dwetzel is correct with that rule. But I will double check this sunday to see if corrections can be made after the 1 o clock games.

427

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 08:56

Looks like I'm going to lose two close ones this week. Grrr.

428

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 09:34

Seeing as how I'm one of your opponents, can't honestly say I'm sorry for ya PD!!!! haha

Its going to be real tight between me and syncopats. He's sitting at 145.32 I'm at 156.88.

However, he's got 2 players to go (mario manningham & josh brown) vs my 1 to go (ahmad bradshaw).

I've got pd beat by 1.18 points. So I could sit bradshaw and be done in a lot of leagues instead of risking him having a bad night and losing points, but with 2 players breathing down my neck tonight I'm going to need bradshaws points. 2 matches definitely makes it and intersting league. Adds a bit of strategic depth.

429

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 10:22

Easy come, easy go. Bleech.

430

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 11:08

#428: In some leagues we used to be able to set two different lineups which would solve your problem.

Hopefully, Bradshaw coughs up the ball on a game-ending first carry for him...

431

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 11:30

PD: Just hope he doesn't get credit for the tackle.

432

sarge33rd
ID: 3871912
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 13:07

Thought I'd que upo for FA, click Free Agent and site says "First come, first serve free agency moves you are about to make..."

ummmmm, isnt FA frozen DURING the games each week, like until AFTER the Mon Night game??

If the Free Agent link isnt the one for setting up a FA que...what is?

433

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 13:37

sarge,

if you would try to process a move through acquire free agent, you would get an error saying the players were frozen.

at 10:30 tonight, waiver requests start. they end at noon on wednesday. after that, there's a three hour window til free agency begins.

check out the league calendar. that will show you the times and dates of important league events.

434

sarge33rd
ID: 3871912
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 13:51

ok good to know it does in fat freeze them. So there is no way to que up a move/request ahead of time then?

435

damoose
ID: 08121419
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 18:25

You can start setting your waivers list at 10:30 tonight

436

sarge33rd
ID: 3871912
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 23:17

ummmm where/what link, do you use to set/create as waivers list? (apologies, but this site is about as intuitive as flying an F-16)

437

sarge33rd
ID: 3871912
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 23:21

OK...think I got it done

438

dpr
ID: 1990714
Tue, Sep 20, 2011, 11:10

scores were alot higher in week 2. Looks like I was lucky to get away with 2Ws with 155. Would have thought that was a strong score but puts me in the bottom half.

439

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Tue, Sep 20, 2011, 11:22

"scores were alot higher in week 2."

Speak for yourself

Doesn't help that the CDC is working on developing a new super flesh eating autoimmune virus so that my week has something to be compared to.

440

sarge33rd
ID: 88512011
Tue, Sep 20, 2011, 12:51

went from top 5 scoring team last week (#4) to next to lowest scoring this week.

441

dpr
ID: 1990714
Tue, Sep 20, 2011, 13:19

Guys I am looking to make a move. Tolbert and S.Smith are looking too good to be on my bench. However, none of the starters(less M.Williams, who I have faith in) are performing at a bench level. looking to pair 2 of these starter caliber players into a stud at one of there positions. Anyone looking for some RB or WR depth let me know.

442

dpr
ID: 1990714
Tue, Sep 20, 2011, 14:10

I realized it always helps to include an email

443

Dat Dude
ID: 41811221
Thu, Sep 22, 2011, 02:11

DPR, just sent u a trade offer

444

sarge33rd
ID: 278472110
Thu, Sep 22, 2011, 20:06

the "predictor" on this site, isnt doing too well. Projected me at 3-1, I am...1-3

445

Syncopats
ID: 127531916
Mon, Sep 26, 2011, 19:27

Bah. A close one between me & Ndamukong this week. All he needs is Demarcus Ware to make one tackle tonight to beat me. Guess I'll be happy with a split this week.

446

sarge33rd
ID: 288172812
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 22:08

<---trying vainly to draw some solace, from the fact that nobody has had more pts scored against them, than I have. :/ (No, it isnt working lol)

447

sarge33rd
ID: 2921211
Sun, Oct 02, 2011, 16:44

wk 4...declaring my 1st rd pick...a bust. :( Mendenhall...you svck

448

sarge33rd
ID: 2921211
Sun, Oct 02, 2011, 21:09

egads...Phi falls to SF by 1 pt. If I'm Jason Babin, I A-M PI-SS-ED!

3 sacks. 1 FF and a Pass defended and we lose by 1???? Gotta wonder..Michael WHO? is our QB????

449

damoose
ID: 08121419
Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 01:23

Aaron rodgers is a beast

450

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 10:33

Rogers was just amazing.

Somehow, I might have beaten the first place and one of the second place teams this week--Sean Jones has to outscore Mathis by 14 tonight to make any difference. All the stars have been aligning for the squad this week.

451

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 10:58

My week was just simply horrible. I benched Vick because of the uncertainty about his hand. While he may not have had a spectacular fantasy week he outscored my back up by 28 points I think. Not that it would have helped.

Outside of that I just lost miserably. And in neither loss can I blames, "Well I went up against Aaron Rodgers." Just flat out got beat. At least starting vick would put me withing striking distance of Sarge for tonights match up, but even then it would be a long shot.

If nothing else this is my first time in the ribc football league and I'm paying attention for next year. After week 4 its unlikely I'll even get a 1 league promotion for 2012, but I definitely have a better understanding to build on for next year.

452

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 11:17

That's OK, I really don't need Andre Johnson or Antonio Gates healthy.

453

sarge33rd
ID: 3936910
Sun, Oct 09, 2011, 13:44

Sebastian Janikickski...54 and 55 yd FGs BOO-yaa!

454

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 08:40

Lowest scoring team last week to the highest scoring this week. And still have a player to go yet. At least I get to even my record out at 5-5 now.

455

dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 15:27

Do I have to submit a full roster. I have alot of IDPs on Byes and am lacking guys to drop. Could a be short a player?

456

sarge33rd
ID: 329391011
Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 16:11

start a bye week player.....roster is valid that way, without issues

457

dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 20:00

Well I would leave out a DLmen because they score the least points and I wont have one on bye. So is this not allowed then?

458

sarge33rd
ID: 329391011
Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 20:10

lwague says you have to start 2 DL. Name 1 who isnt playing if need be, but name 2 to start.

Roster requirements, tend to be pretty much etched in stone. You just take a 0, for the nonplaying starter you named. (as I did this week with Suggs for ex)

459

dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 20:45

well my plan was to only have one DLmen on my roster. have to pick up 3 IDP for next week, but dont see 3 players to drop.

460

sarge33rd
ID: 329391011
Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 23:26

1 DL??? Roster reqs 2 every week...

461

sarge33rd
ID: 329391011
Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 23:39

2 mins to go...trailing 118.5 vs 118.64. I have a RB and WR, he has a CB...................RB/WR on same team, trailing by 8 with a pending FG to make it trailing by 11.

462

sarge33rd
ID: 329391011
Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 23:53

meaningless to the real game, not to me, 17 yd reception by my RB. :)

463

damoose
ID: 08121419
Tue, Oct 11, 2011, 06:38

I lost both games this week, by less than one point total

464

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, Oct 11, 2011, 08:45

I go from the lowest scoring team last week to the highest scoring team this week. Gotta love Fantasy Football.

465

Perm Dude
ID: 420241913
Tue, Oct 11, 2011, 09:32

I was pleased to go 1-1 to continue my so-so season.

Wow, damoose. Crazy. You almost feel like a bigger loss would have been better.

Maybe scoring adjustments will get you something.

466

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Oct 11, 2011, 10:28

absolutely, i wish i would have lost by more because then I wouldn't feel like an idiot for benching garcon. Or having two IDP's sit out this week's game.

467

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Tue, Oct 11, 2011, 11:29

"i wish i would have lost by more because then I wouldn't feel like an idiot for benching garcon"

Trust me, losing by more sucks too.

At least Josh Freeman finally outscored Colt McCoy for the week.

468

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 11:25

well scoring adjustments bumped me up in one matchup for the win, so I was able to go 1-1.

Me and sarge battled it out. He was able to hold on for a victory with a mere .06 pt win after we both had a player with a scoring adjustment.

469

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 16:36

Leaving for Disney World on Saturday. I have my line up set for this week and will be back in time to set it up for next week. But I won't have access and will not be able to respond to any trade offers after saturday.

470

sarge33rd
ID: 58959139
Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 17:06

holy crap..... not that i EVER want to cut it close, but LESS than 1/10 of a pt??????????

471

damoose
ID: 08121419
Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 21:57

Have fun at Disney world...happiest place on earth

472

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Oct 16, 2011, 21:11

Nick Folk, your services will be needed tomorrow.

Khahan, have fun at Disney. We just went a couple weeks ago with the kids -- was the time of their life.

(Also from experience, check your tires before you drive back -- that aspect of the trip was no fun.)

473

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Oct 19, 2011, 17:36

Hey Moose, do you think you could add a logo to your team on the league's front page. Before you were the top team I didn't mind seeing the single one line team, but now that you're on the top you blend in with the header of the league's standings. Might I suggest:

Thanks :)

474

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Oct 19, 2011, 18:04

For those of you wondering, here's a little bit of a breakdown of our league so far:

Highlighted are current playoff teams

Rank	Franchise	W	L	Pct	Strk	GB	Avg PF	APF Dif	Max PF	Avg PA	APA Dif	Max PA
1	Moose's Heroes	10	2	0.833	W3	0	145.00	12.21	163.22	137.10	4.32	167.50
2	Challenger	9	3	0.750	L2	1	147.90	15.11	184.94	124.50	-8.28	160.92
3	dpr	9	3	0.750	W2	1	153.00	20.21	176.00	130.10	-2.68	166.56
4	Kyle's Enhanced Performers	8	4	0.667	W2	2	137.40	4.61	157.64	132.00	-0.78	185.26
5	Khahans Killers	7	5	0.583	W4	3	142.20	9.41	180.20	139.40	6.62	176.00
6	Rotoguru Jr.	7	5	0.583	L2	3	135.80	3.01	165.24	132.10	-0.68	169.72
7	sarge <3s cheerleaders	7	5	0.583	W6	3	133.90	1.11	159.44	133.90	1.12	185.26
8	Syncopats	6	6	0.500	W2	4	130.00	-2.79	160.92	128.90	-3.88	184.94
9	It's On Like Ndamukong!	5	7	0.417	L1	5	133.40	0.61	185.26	129.20	-3.58	164.56
10	Perm Dude	5	7	0.417	L2	5	136.60	3.81	155.70	127.50	-5.28	167.28
11	ValkyrieValkyrie	4	8	0.333	L2	6	134.00	1.21	166.56	142.30	9.52	184.94
12	My Johnson is Bigger Than Yours	4	8	0.333	W1	6	128.50	-4.29	164.56	132.30	-0.48	163.78
13	goldcoach	3	9	0.250	L9	7	99.80	-32.99	132.92	128.60	-4.18	155.36
14	joe	0	12	0.000	L12	10	101.60	-31.19	132.32	141.00	8.22	180.20

		Avg PF	Max PF	Avg PA	Max PA
	AVERAGES:	132.79	163.21	132.78	172.31

Hardest schedule
1. Valkyrie............................. 142.30
2. joe.................................. 141.00
3. Khahans Killers................. 139.40
4. Moose's Heroes.................. 137.10
5. sarge <3s cheerleaders.......... 133.90

Easiest schedule
1. Challenger.......................... 124.50
2. Perm Dude........................... 127.50
3. goldcoach........................... 128.60
4. Syncopats........................... 128.90
5. It's On Like Ndamukong!........ 129.20

475

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Wed, Oct 19, 2011, 18:36

Actually... sarge would be in #5 and Khahan would be in at #7 and Valkyrie would be on the sidelines. Sarge currently has the head-to-head tie breaker over both Khahan and Guru Jr.

http://football21.myfantasyleague.com/2011/options?L=25571&O=119

476

sarge33rd
ID: 379581911
Wed, Oct 19, 2011, 19:20

<---should have been more patient with Palmer. Would have been a solid draft choice, had I waited just a wee lil linger before dropping him.

477

damoose
ID: 08121419
Wed, Oct 19, 2011, 21:18

There you go Kyle, pic uploaded

478

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Oct 19, 2011, 23:41

RE 475: Ah, I see, I didn't check the H2Hs and just trusted the site...

RE 477: Nice ;)

479

sarge33rd
ID: 359122312
Sun, Oct 23, 2011, 13:12

dmmt...got distracted and was 2 minutes late to change my RB from Mendenhall to Morris. Hopefully, I was going to make the wrong call......

480

Perm Dude
ID: 39961218
Sun, Oct 23, 2011, 13:15

Against the Cardinals you probably did well to accidentally stick with Mendenhall.

481

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Sun, Oct 23, 2011, 13:27

Sarge, add in the fact you failed to start 2 DL's..(tisk, tisk)

482

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Sun, Oct 23, 2011, 13:39

I've already lost Graham to an injury.

Now I wish I would have saved my DVR coverage of my Rangers losing to my Cardinals so I could have finished watching it. But it just confuses me whom I should be rooting for. Kinda like having your 2 girlfriends fighting each other...you're gonna lose no matter what!

483

sarge33rd
ID: 359122312
Sun, Oct 23, 2011, 14:02

>>>how the hell did that happen? ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I friggin used F/A for Vandenbosch, specifically to have 2 going today. :( Just inserted my BYE week guy, just so the roster is "legal"

484

sarge33rd
ID: 359122312
Sun, Oct 23, 2011, 15:37

A Foster having a career day...of course, he's on the PDs squad vs me today. lol

485

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Oct 23, 2011, 21:01

Decent chance I could lose to the guy that started Jason Campbell at QB today. Ugh.

Also, Drew Brees, if you could maybe sprain something, preferably before accumulating additional fantasy points, that'd be cool. Thanks.

486

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 00:15

Well I did something I didn't realize I did this week and it may cost me. I swear I benched BenJarvis for Michael Bush then went back and sat Bush for Monterio Hardesty. But the LawFirm is still in my line up. Can only assume I messed something up.

I'm up pretty good on Challenger. Goldcoach has me by .88 points: 2 players for me to go and 0 for him, so it probably won't matter. Just frustrating to see 12 points which may come into play for tie breakers or final rankings go to waste.

487

damoose
ID: 08121419
Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 02:55

3 wide receivers, 51 yards total...nice work guys..matthews and wells both got hurt...shananan is impossible to know which rb he is going to use

Ouch to being a colts fan this morning.....what a debacle...nbc had to hate that...

488

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 13:27

Interesting week for QB's. 6 teams had QB's score under 10 points (and a 7th only had 11 points). I was one of the those but somehow both of my opponents were not only under 10, but under the 8 I scraped out of my own back up QB.

I'd rather be lucky than good any day of the week.

489

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 13:43

Drew Brees did not sprain anything.

490

sarge33rd
ID: 309182411
Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 14:10

<--pretty sure most of his squad got drunk Sat night and forgot they had a game to play in on Sunday. :(

491

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Oct 25, 2011, 01:19

You know what I should do. Check pregame reports to see if the jerks on my team injure their back before I insert them and cost myself a W. The one time I start Lynch...

492

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Tue, Oct 25, 2011, 11:46

Lynch injured his back stretching just before kickoff. Info didn't come out from the media until after kickoff. Coach says this is a ongoing problem with Lynchs back.

At least you didn't start a player who scored less than the bye week player he replaced!! Painter (-.22) for Brady. I wouldn't have won, but still...

493

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, Oct 25, 2011, 13:46

I'm not complaining at all about Painter's performance. In fact I'm quite happy about it.

494

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 10:42

Still figuring out the site and am coming to like it more than the early part of the season. But I have some questions. I'm looking at the power rankings. I assume PF is points for
but what is PP and EFF?

Also the coulda won and woulda lost columns-
1. is coulda won showing how many matches I could have won if I had inserted my best possible points or is it showing starters + bench?

2. woulda lost is that if opponents had started their best possible points vs what I did start or their starts + bench vs my starters bench?

495

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 12:11

PP = possible points (if you set the best lineup every week).

Eff = "effectiveness"? It's PF/PP. Basically supposed to show how well you set your lineups.

I think you're right about the coulda win/shoulda lost.

496

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 12:21

Thanks dwetzel. the coulda/shoulda makes more sense now with the PP being possible points.

497

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Fri, Oct 28, 2011, 18:12

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498

sarge33rd
ID: 399392811
Fri, Oct 28, 2011, 19:38

lol DW I;m in the middle of the pack, and I see it

499

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Fri, Oct 28, 2011, 19:42

phew.

500

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Oct 30, 2011, 14:50

Patrick Peterson?

Patrick Peterson!

I'm undefeated in weeks in which Patrick Peterson returns a punt 80+ yards for a touchdown.

(I'm also undefeated in weeks where I had to start Ricky Williams and Knowshon Moreno as my starting RBs... but I digress.)

501

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Sun, Oct 30, 2011, 16:35

Pd is trying his best to hand me my first loss since week 4. Its a good match up. And while I have a bit of a lead on rotogurujr, he's got 2 more players than me to go later in the day and make up that ground. This is a competitive week for my opponents. Going to be rough most weeks from here on out.

502

Perm Dude
ID: 549411117
Sun, Oct 30, 2011, 17:44

I'm trying, Khahan. It is a lot closer than I thought it would be.

503

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Sun, Oct 30, 2011, 20:10

Even though I'm faced a realistic 0-2 this week, I have a good chance at another 2-0. This is exciting! I love these kinds of match ups. All I'm asking is that Vick finds Maclin in the endzone at least once.....or twice. :)

504

sarge33rd
ID: 19413112
Mon, Oct 31, 2011, 14:55

egads...another nail biter:

Valk 126.66 with a SD Safety to go
Me 127.06 with a KC CB to go

505

sarge33rd
ID: 19203121
Mon, Oct 31, 2011, 23:58

Weddle with 2 pics...Gratz Valk.

506

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, Nov 01, 2011, 08:33

Wow, Rotogurujr pulling it out in the 11th hour with an overtime win! Congratz. That was quite the match up.

At the 2 min warning I was up 127.96 to something like 126 and some change. Then we hit overtime and thru countless updates I was still winning with that same score. Then Derrick Johnson happened....again! Exciting football and nailbiting fantasy match up.

507

dpr
ID: 1990714
Tue, Nov 01, 2011, 11:40

The standing are all really close. The top 8 teams are all within 2 games and 12 teams are within 4. I figured being at the top would give me a lock for the playoffs but there are so many teams that are close. Luckily points should be a little harder to catch up in.

508

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Tue, Nov 01, 2011, 13:52

Proud to have filled the role of "crappy fantasy team that just goes nuts for a week".

509

sarge33rd
ID: 17109112
Tue, Nov 01, 2011, 14:06

my gawd DW. lol Your D went BERSERK! 96 pts between your D and your K, and that with 1 DL light.

510

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Nov 01, 2011, 18:31

Rotoguru Press has intercepted an interoffice memo between Kyle's Enhanced Performers and several of their players. Here is the facsimile of the letter.

November 1, 2011

To: DeSean Jackson and Dwayne Bowe
From: Owner of the Enhanced Performers

Dear DeFirstNames of my team,
Thanks guys. By combining for 93 yards and 0 TDs (not to mention -3 PR yards by you Mr. Jackson), you cost me a win. Yes I can blame the failed run by Marshawn at the 1 yard line, or the fumbles by Marshawn and Schaub, or even the missed 43 yarder by Shaun, but if you look at their results, it was better than I expected from them. I am blaming you two scrubs.

You are top flight WRs who caught a combined less than 20% of your quarterback's yardage. And no TDs? DeSean, your team scored 34 points! Yeah, Shady had 2 on the ground, but if you had broken one of your 3 catches (THAT'S IT!?!) for a big gainer, then he wouldn't have had the shot at those. Dwayne, I forgive you for not scoring a TD, your offense sucks, but there were several plays you could have worked harder to get open. If it weren't for Josh, I don't think I would have won either game. Thanks a lot you prima donna slugs.

Next week is Maurice's bye week, and I can not afford another performance like week 8. This means I will have to play one of the Indy boys, and you've seen how that's gone this year. Step it up and play like the top 10 WRs you are. DeSean, get some PR yardage. Dwayne, go nuts in the endzone again. Do something to justify your existence on this team, and continue it. We are barely holding onto a playoff birth right now, thanks to a 3-0 tie breaker against 9-7 teams.

Sincerely,
Kyle
Owner
Kyle's Enhanced Performers
"Juicing the Box Score, One Player at a Time."

511

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Wed, Nov 02, 2011, 10:26

Does Rotoguru Press get 2 points and Kyle's Enhanced Performers get -2 points?

512

sarge33rd
ID: 17109112
Wed, Nov 02, 2011, 15:10

apologies for the double post (also posted in Fun Stuff jokes), but wanted to share this one. lol

A guy took his blonde girlfriend to her first football game. They had great seats right behind their team's bench. After the game, he asked her how she liked the experience.

'Oh, I really liked it,' she replied, 'especially the tight pants and all the big muscles, but I just couldn't understand why they were killing each other over 25 cents.'

Dumbfounded, her date asked, 'What do you mean?'

'Well, they flipped a coin, one team got it and then for the rest of the game, all they kept screaming was: 'Get the quarterback! Get the quarterback!' 'I'm like.....Helloooooo? It's only 25 cents!!! What's the big deal?'

513

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Nov 03, 2011, 21:28

RE 511: Totally

RE 512: That's awesome and sounds like something my girlfriend would say

514

sarge33rd
ID: 47108610
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 17:48

well, I guess T Williams has shown he's well enough to NOT be on my bench any longer. :(

515

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 18:10

The Colts are angering me with their activating Addai and him not playing a single down. Is he healthy enough to be active and play or is he still injured? This week it only cost me 0.3 points, but it's still frustrating.

516

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 18:48

"well, I guess T Williams has shown he's well enough to NOT be on my bench any longer. :( "

#firstworldproblems

517

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 18:51

(And yes, it's easy to type that when my team suddenly no longer stinks completely. I kinda feel like Lou Brown...

It's starting to come together! )

518

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 19:39

(post 500, again)

519

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 21:13

@DWetzel: It seems like you're getting hot at the right time of the season.

520

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 21:23

Is there a wrong time of the season?

Peterson has about as many points as my first, third, and fourth round picks combined.

Still, it's nice to not suck for a change.

521

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 21:29

Get hot at the start and fall apart at the end to miss the playoffs? Get hot during the playoffs after your team has been eliminated? I would be ticked if either of those happened. You seem to be getting hot just as the push to the playoffs start, which is most ideal :)

522

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Mon, Nov 07, 2011, 20:15

Down 15 points and some change. We both have a defenseman going this evenig. But I also have Maclin/Vick tandem going.

Good luck Syncopats. Its another monday night nail-biter for me but I'm feeling pretty good about 2-0 this week.

523

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Mon, Nov 07, 2011, 20:22

Prediction: Vick is worth 20+ by himself tonight.

524

Perm Dude
ID: 39961218
Mon, Nov 07, 2011, 23:28

The week after going 0-2, I go 2-0. Third time that's happened, I think. Crazy season.

525

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Tue, Nov 08, 2011, 00:58

congratz syncopats. Lost by less than 4 points.

526

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 10:31

Thank you Michael Bush.

527

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 12:34

Thank you MFL for not making me play against Michael Bush.

Also: LOL 1. Chargers.

528

sarge33rd
ID: 5810351111
Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 14:32

<--has taken a strong dislike to M Bush. :(

529

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Nov 13, 2011, 23:48

Come on, meaningless Santonio Holmes garbage time long TD catch one time (so I can lose on Monday night instead?)

530

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Mon, Nov 14, 2011, 10:29

Anyone in the Green Bay, WI area willing to serve some bad sushi to Desmond Bishop and Antoine Winfield? I'll make it worth your while.

531

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Nov 14, 2011, 11:24

sheesh another nailbiter coming down to the monday night game for me. Its highly unlikely sarge doesn't beat me. Looking at 1-1 week, but with Aaron Rodgers going for damoose, its possibly an 0-2 week.

Gotta stop these monday night finales for my team. I'd like to have my wins wrapped up sunday.

532

Perm Dude
ID: 39961218
Mon, Nov 14, 2011, 14:36

Looks like I might go 2-0 this week, putting me in the running for a bottom of the standings playoff spot.

533

sarge33rd
ID: 2410581411
Mon, Nov 14, 2011, 14:50

Kyle has me atm, by 16.52 points. He is all done,. while I have Harvin, Greenway and Tramon Williams to go.

Should be close, but I think I win that one.

Khahan has me by 1.48 pts atm. He has Jared Allen to go.

I "want" to call that probably mine, by Allen could go OFF too. Nailbiter I think.

I need a 2-0 week. Make me feel much better about play off prospects.

534

dpr
ID: 2410181422
Mon, Nov 14, 2011, 23:18

I am looking to make a move for a RB. I ahve enough depth at WR that S.Smith and Welker(both top 4 WRs) would both be avaiable for a comparable RB.Tebow would also be available and he ash been top 5 QB since becoming a starter.

535

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Mon, Nov 14, 2011, 23:46

Phew. Goldcoach nearly snuck up on me there (pending late defensive stuff).

536

Perm Dude
ID: 39961218
Mon, Nov 14, 2011, 23:47

joe almost took two games this weekend.

537

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 00:03

Joe is 10th in potential points, and had he been around to try and do waivers and stuff might well have had a competitive team. If bench points were a good things, he'd be crushing fools.

Also, jeebus, Woodson gets a QB hit and TFL added... STOP FINDING POINTS FOR GOLDCOACH!!! KTHXBAI.

Also also, condolences to Kyle for probably rockin' the Sanchize in the playoffs.

Also also also, condolences to me for being jealous of another team having Mark Sanchez at QB.

538

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 00:14

Oh my god moose. I almost feel bad for winning....

125.02 to 125.00

539

damoose
ID: 08121419
Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 00:27

Khahan,

The last time I complained about losing by so little. I actually won on scoring adjustments. It's amazing how a.matchup can come so close.

.02 points equals 7 inches

540

Perm Dude
ID: 39961218
Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 00:40

Which, for some, is a lot.

541

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Nov 20, 2011, 21:31

Is it just me or is this a really bad scoring week?

Good thing I observed on Thursday that McGahee was available and decided to start him instead of Cedric Benson against the Ravens. Sigh. Those 17 points wouldn't have come in handy at all.

Might have two really close ones coming down to the wire. Can I just pencil in a repeat of last week from Andre Carter please?

542

sarge33rd
ID: 910201912
Mon, Nov 21, 2011, 02:09

Is it just me or is this a really bad scoring week?

I dunno. I think it's fine. :)

543

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Nov 21, 2011, 08:51

I just need 11 points from 3 players and I catch Joe. Hate to say its a good bet, but with vince wilfork, deion branch and the law firm against the Chiefs, I'm pretty comfortable.

Against dpr, I'm down 30+ and he's got wes welker, aaron hernandez and brandon flowers.

Scratch this one up to another 1-1 week most likely.

Aside from Michael Bush I need to figure something out with my running backs. BJGE is too inconsistent. Ahmad Bradshaw is still hurt.

544

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Mon, Nov 21, 2011, 10:27

Hmm, a 2.04 point lead (plus Andre Carter) vs. Moose (and Tamba Hali).

I think that 0.4 might come in handy.

Mostly hoping the teams with the most points so far this year win their game and don't drop into wild card spots though.

545

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, Nov 21, 2011, 10:59

Looks like a 1-1 week for me. Stupid swapping of PK did me in. Well, sometimes you rolls the dice...

546

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Mon, Nov 21, 2011, 12:48

I just need the combination of Tyler Palko and Dwayne Bowe to not get negative points.

Also MeSean Jackson is quite possibly the most frustrating player ever. If I hadn't watched the game last night I would be pleased with his 15.2 points, but because I watched I know he had a 50 yard pass called back for taunting Perry Fewell and the Giants sideline. I also know that the rest of the drive VY didn't look for MeSean so he could at least make up for it with a 20 yard catch and maybe another 10 yarder. So he could have had a huge game instead of what I've been expecting from him all year.

547

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Mon, Nov 21, 2011, 13:01

"I just need the combination of Tyler Palko and Dwayne Bowe to not get negative points."

I don't like your chances, given the words Tyler Palko in that sentence.

548

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Mon, Nov 21, 2011, 13:52

Well the Pats have been giving up the most fantasy points to QBs this year... So I have some hope that he could put up 10 or 11 points this week.

Looking at my schedule and the way the teams are going to wrap up today, I should be 1 game out of an automatic bid. Since I have basically no hope of being one of the top 2 remaining teams according to points (Before this week I'm 120 points behind what would be the 8 seed and I'm being outscored by the teams that would be ahead of me) I have to go 3-1 or 4-0 against Khahans, Goldcoach, Valkyrie and dpr. Guh... Playoffs might be just out of reach this season which is more than disappointing considering how I felt about this team halfway through the season.

549

sarge33rd
ID: 201042113
Mon, Nov 21, 2011, 14:04

Take hope Kyle. As it stands now, I'll have the high scoring team for the week and that with only 13 pts combined, from my 2 RBs. If THAT can happen, ANYTHING can happen. :)

550

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Mon, Nov 21, 2011, 23:07

Oh boy. Palko is worse than I imagined.

Dear KC,
PULL HIM BEFORE HE COSTS ME 2 VERY IMPORTANT WINS THIS WEEK. AND WHOEVER THE BACKUP IS NEEDS TO HIT DWAYNE BOWE FOR A 70 YD TD IMMEDIATELY!

551

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Mon, Nov 21, 2011, 23:41

Fortunately for you, he threw to Bowe (and others) enough to offset the 3 picks.

Also, while I'm here, thank you again for being a beast, Andre Carter.

552

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Nov 23, 2011, 12:48

I'm trying to make sense of playoff potential here.

Challenger is in, the first to lock down a post season spot.

Sarge and DPR are basically in. Not officially. But even if they only go 1-3 the rest of the way, they'd have to have kyle and johnson go 4-0 the rest of the way. If dpr and sarge win just 2 games, they are locked in.

That leaves 3 slots currently occupied by me, Moose and Syncopats. But we have My Kyle and Johnson 1 game behind. And PD only 2 games out.

After that, the 2 highest points total -
Looks like Pd is a lock for the post season. Even if he doesn't make the top 6, he's the 3rd h ighest scoring team in the league.

The 8th slot would be the loser between me, moose, syncopats and My Johnson (if kyle doens't make the top 6, doesn't look like he'll have the point total).

That sound about right? Spots 3-6 are just a big cluster-rush for 6 teams. Is there somewhere on the site I'm missing that details this?

Now, if all that is right, in week 12 I get:
Kyle and My Johnson. How convenient. I hope you two collapse this week!

553

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Wed, Nov 23, 2011, 12:52

After going 0-2 last weekend, I was too depressed to see if I was still in the playoff hunt! Crazy season for me.

554

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Nov 23, 2011, 12:59

You're not even out of the top 6 PD, though its a bit of longshot with you relying on any number of managers to collapse. But outside of that, you are almost gauranteed a spot. I don't see anybody not making the top 6 and overtaking you in total points.

555

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Wed, Nov 23, 2011, 13:18

A giant cluster**** is about right.

Challenger is in.

dpr and PD should be in on points regardless of where they finish; dpr obviously has an inside track on W-L record as well, but even if they drop a few games they should have plenty of points. It's the hope of those right behind them on points that they make the top 6.

Then, in terms of points, it's a mess. I'm in 4th on points, but it's really a 15 point difference in one week (since the standings points are doubled) back to Moose in 5th, and really anybody back to about sarge could catch up (that's 50 points in 2 weeks -- not insurmountable).

Right now, I think the playoffs, with seedings, would be:

1. Challenger
2. dpr (beats Sarge on total points, 1-1 H2H)
3. Sarge
4. Moose (2-1 H2H vs. Khahan 2-2 and Synco 1-2)
5. PD (5-8 are seeded on points, qualifies on points)
6. My Johnson (qualifies on points)
7. Khahan (qualifies on record, beats Synco on points)
8. Synco (qualifies on record)

556

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Wed, Nov 23, 2011, 13:20

(The very bottom of post 10 details the playoff selection criteria)

557

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Wed, Nov 23, 2011, 14:25

Khahan: I sent you a trade offer. With Fred Jackson out for the next game (and perhaps the season) I'm in the market for a solid RB. Doesn't have to be Jackson's caliber, but I want to do much better than Kendall Hunter, who the only RB on my bench.

558

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Wed, Nov 23, 2011, 18:59

I can't add/drop anybody right now. When I'm on the add/drop screen I get all the fields, but the player field on the 'add' side says, "none."

559

dpr
ID: 2410181422
Wed, Nov 23, 2011, 21:14

Im looking for a RB too. Want a Rb1 though. Looking to pair Tolbert with any of my WRs or QBs. A team lacking at one of those positions could get a huge upgrade while still getting a startable RB. Thats offering up 3 top10 WR as well as Nicks plus a top5 QB and tebow as well as a solid RB2

560

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Thu, Nov 24, 2011, 00:55

Why are waivers still on with a short week? Shouldn't waivers have run already, and the non-rostered players all FA's?

561

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Thu, Nov 24, 2011, 07:30

I still can't add players but as of now (7:28am EST on thursday) I've emailed our wonderful commish another move I'd like to make. Should I just post it here with a time stamp and go on the honor system?

562

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 24, 2011, 08:16

I just fixed this league's system setup so that free agents could be added. I don't know why that setting was no longer enabled.

563

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Thu, Nov 24, 2011, 08:46

Thank you very much guru. :)

got vince young so hopefully I have a viable qb this week. Sucks have your qb your back up qb and your #1 RB out.

564

dpr
ID: 2410181422
Thu, Nov 24, 2011, 11:49

at least you got the a starting RB coming off a 20+ point week with the 7th waiver or something as a replacement.

565

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Thu, Nov 24, 2011, 13:18

very true. I shouldn't complain. can't believe I got kevin smith AND Vince Young was still available for a game against one of the worst pass d's out there.

Its funny, in my other 2 leagues I have both Javhid Best and Darren McFadden. But in this league I'm playing with both of their back ups while they are injured.

566

sarge33rd
ID: 4210322411
Thu, Nov 24, 2011, 16:34

they were both still avail, cause the FA system was whacked and wouldnt let anyone do anything.

567

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Thu, Nov 24, 2011, 17:36

I got smith off of waivers normally. the rest I spent all day yesterday, last night and this morning trying to get. was very surprised young wasn't claimed on waivers.

as for smith, I looking for 10-12 points from him this week. 5.8 is a little disappointing. It appears they went back to Maurice Morris as the #1 back this week.

568

sarge33rd
ID: 4210322411
Thu, Nov 24, 2011, 17:50

Smith got hurt.......I tried last night to do some FA and couldnt. Then this morning, I'm CA time and a holiday...by the time I was "free from chores", the game had started already.

569

damoose
ID: 08121419
Thu, Nov 24, 2011, 23:34

Sarge, you should've emailed me last night. I would've seen to your problem.

570

sarge33rd
ID: 310132512
Fri, Nov 25, 2011, 13:13

no biggy......with the holiday and all...had other things on my mind...checked in a cple times since Mon, tried to set up FA. couldnt...shrugged it off and went on with life. :) lol

571

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 15:24

See post 518.

Or just skip a step and go to post 500.

572

sarge33rd
ID: 11022715
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 16:02

all good things must come to an end DW. :)

573

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 17:03

As long as we both score a zillion points, I feel like I can let you have this one Sarge. Gotta do something to keep the weaker teams in the playoffs.

;)

574

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 17:04

Could I have made any more of the wrong choices this week?

575

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 17:20

Could have started Leinart over VY. Though, VY has plenty of time to not make those 2 extra points.

I must say that Janikowski fellow is starting to annoy me.

576

sarge33rd
ID: 11022715
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 17:37

lol Reason I took him...recall the argument during the draft? Some saying K made no diff? True to a large point BUT...Jani is one of THE best at long FGs and they score extra in this league. THAT truth, makes him worth taking earlier.

577

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 18:21

Hmmm...wonder who made that point?

:)

578

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 18:26

Of course, he was 11th in kicking points coming into the game.

Wonder who made THAT point? :)

579

sarge33rd
ID: 11022715
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 18:46

doesnt matter where he is overall in points., What matters, is how often has he or will he be, the nr 1 thru 3 K pt producer for the week? I'll wager, more often than 90% of the kickers out there...putting him in position to alter the weeks outcome, a frequent nr of times.

580

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 20:18

Ah.

Well, by that standard, he's done that three times out of 11 weeks (counting a week he was tied 3rd thru 5th. Or, one less time than Patrick Peterson has been in the top 3 CBs. :)

581

sarge33rd
ID: 11022715
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 20:28

lol I will admit, your pick of Peterson is looking damn near genius. Put for a position where only 1 player is active ea week, for Jani to have been in the top 3 for that week, 25% of the time? Pretty damn solid and IMHO, pretty damn valuable.

582

dpr
ID: 2410181422
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 22:16

By the same standard Akers and Gould did it 4 times. Still, not sure how you are using that stat as the important one. Generally consistency is favorable.

583

sarge33rd
ID: 11022715
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 22:45

Because I would rather have a guy who can go off for 20 pts once in awhile at the K slot, than one who gets me 5 pts every week from 1 FG and 2 PAs

584

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 22:46

Picking Gould in the last round is clearly the best move in my draft. And now that Lynch is starting to perform, my team is making a comeback. Now if only I had a QB and 2 WRs who were worth a damn.

585

sarge33rd
ID: 11022715
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 22:48

Gould, Akers and Jani; each being in the top 3 Ks for 3 or 4 times ea...makes them YTD; the best K choices IMHO. I got Jani in rd 17/. A spot I'll accept, to get 1 of the top 3.

586

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Nov 28, 2011, 11:45

Horrible player choice. Just absolutely horrible for me.

587

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Mon, Nov 28, 2011, 22:44

@Khahan to be fair, even if you played the most ideal line up you'd still have a tough time going 1-1 this week. While getting those extra points this week would be helpful for the final playoff spots it's not like you dropped a 40 point game in the final weeks. You're still in it ;) Also right now you'd be in 6th place, so just go 2-0 next week and you're in for sure!

588

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Mon, Nov 28, 2011, 23:54

Yeah, 2-0 the way I've been going seems rather unlikely. But the encouragement is still appreciated.

590

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 11:01

*****IMPORTANT*******

Guys, Just a reminder about the playoffs.

Remember that we have special limitations during the playoffs for add/drops. All teams should be preparing their rosters for the postseason during this week. A copy of our playoff rules is copied below:

The 8 teams will be those with the top 6 W/L records plus the two other teams with the most points
The top four seeds will be based on W/L record (including applicable tiebreakers)
Seeds 5-8 will be based on total points for the other four playoff teams
Teams with equivalent W/L records are ranked based on head-to-head first (regardless of the number of teams tied), then total points.
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)

Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later.

Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable.

Following the final regular season game, claiming priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded.

If a playoff game ends in a tie score, the team with the better seed shall advance.

Teams which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.

591

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 11:08

If playoffs started today,

The top four seeds would be:

Challenger
sarge
dpr
moose

Followed by:
perm dude
my johnson is bigger
kyle
khahan

everything is still really tight...only 3 teams are completely out of the race

592

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 12:55

I started to write up some interesting playoff scenarios for everyone in contention, then realized my head was going to explode.

Challenger's the #1 seed if he remembers to set a lineup of any sort this week, sarge is in the playoffs on record and ALMOST has a top 4 seed clinched, dpr will be in one way or another on points as will PD...

the rest is a cluster**** of epic proportions, even bigger than last week if that's possible. Bubble teams on points are rooting heavily for PD to make the top 6 on record, and for me either to do the same or score like 20 points this week.

593

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 13:42

I'm trying, DW, I'm trying. The thing is, on any given week my squad might pop off 180 points. Or 100 points.

594

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 13:47

If I score well this week, I don't care (and it doesn't help me any that we play each other -- let's just agree to leave the defenses on the sideline if I let you win 200-199?).

With Kyle, Khahan, and Syncopats all within 23 points of each other (which is really 11.5), the availability of the second wild card spot will be of a lot of interest to them.

It is pretty neat (and the sign of a good league IMO) to see two games separating 4th and 10th in the standings.

595

sarge33rd
ID: 4310132913
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 14:47

my guys are peaking at a good time...now if they can just sustain for a few more weeks :)

596

DWetzel
ID: 49962710
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 15:02

RIFC does not test for those sort of performance enhancers as far as I am aware, so you should be in good shape. Just seek medical attention if your run continues for longer than 4 weeks.

597

sarge33rd
ID: 4310132913
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 17:12

OK, when are we "allowed" to que up FA picks? One would think, that following the Monday night game, ie Tue, one could put together a "request" que for FA, but seems not.

598

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 17:51

Waiver claims today, free agents after waiver claims go through tomorrow (14:00 Central, I think).

599

sarge33rd
ID: 4310132913
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 17:52

and how does one place a claim, when the site wont let you?

600

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 17:57

Did you steal Jobu's rum?

Waaaaay at the top of the league page, go to the
"For Owners" section; within that menu there's a selection for "Waivers". Are you using that?

601

sarge33rd
ID: 4310132913
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 18:01

? For Owners? All up and down the left side are links of all sorts. None 'For Owners' or "Waivers". All season, been going to the player I wanted, click add, then it went to a rd1 menu and I indicated who I wanted to drop...select it, and it qued it up. Starting last week, wont let me do that

602

sarge33rd
ID: 4310132913
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 18:02

screw it...I'll win or lose with who I got. :)

603

damoose
ID: 08121419
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 21:32

Dwetzel, have you tried links at top of page? You can email your waiver choices and I can enter them for you.

605

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 21:52

I think Sarge is the one that needs your help. I have my waiver claims (that I won't get anyway) in. :)

606

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 00:58

RE 592: I'm writing one up but I just got home from watching my Hawks take a thrashing to the 'yotes, so I'm not in the mood to continue typing. It's a cluster, that's for sure.

RE 596: Ever since I've started playing RIFC my team has had it's performance enhanced. Unfortunately it's got me in AA for the third time.

RE Sarge's Waiver Troubles: At the very top center of the page it looks like there's links for MFL.com's homepages and such. Those are actually league links. Under the FOR OWNERS tab you want the waiver set up. It's the same as the draft queue set up.

607

sarge33rd
ID: 4310132913
Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 01:02

oh hell...lmao *suddenly feels really dense* I thought those were like sitemap links and such. Never even bothered with them to see WTF they were.

Now that the season is about up,......

608

sarge33rd
ID: 4310132913
Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 01:06

picks qued....TY Kyle

609

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 21:31

Beastmode is back! Marshawn is trying to win this week for me by himself, and that first TD was the reason I drafted him.

610

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Dec 02, 2011, 09:08

Well, Vince Young was a big let down this week. He sure made the Seattle secondary look 1st class. A quarter of their season total interceptions came last night.

Thanks for nothing Vince.

611

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 13:19

Time for the quick poll question:

Will I regret putting Colt McCoy in against the Ravens defense instead of just leaving the inactive Josh Freeman in the lineup?

I say it'll be dangerously close, but McCoy sneaks out with 3.5 points.

612

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 13:24

You'll get positive points. McCoy never throws often enough, or deep enough, to worry that he'll get you negative points.

613

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 13:53

You're probably right. McCoy has at least been consistently mediocre.

In other news, nice season Sarge. Condolences on Forte. (You can all stop scanning the waiver wire for Marion Barber -- I got that covered a few days ago.)

614

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 14:30

So this morning I was checking out my RB, saw the ahmad bradshaw is coming back this week and saw Michael Bush has a very tough rushing D. So put in bradshaw over bush. I went to the confirmation screen. Haven't been back since but bush is over bradshaw still, even though I absolutely hit the submit and got the confirmation.

615

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 16:20

Khahan, I rec'd an email of your chosen lineup this morning, but Bush is in the lineup, not Bradshaw. See below and note the date and time.

RotoGuru Invitational Football Challenge - AA Khahans Killers Week 13 Lineup

Young, Vince PHI QB
Bush, Michael OAK RB
Green-Ellis, BenJarvus NEP RB
Boldin, Anquan BAL WR
Branch, Deion NEP WR
Crabtree, Michael SFO WR
Ballard, Jake NYG TE
Akers, David SFO PK
Atkins, Geno CIN DT
Allen, Jared MIN DE
Houston, Lamarr OAK DE
Levy, DeAndre DET LB
Weatherspoon, Sean ATL LB
Tillman, Charles CHI CB
Polamalu, Troy PIT S
Submitted Sun Dec 4 9:04:11 a.m. ET 2011

616

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 16:22

I'm not really asking for anything to be done. just venting. i went after and changed out wallace to crabtree.

617

sarge33rd
ID: 271155415
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 16:55

Updating previous reports, Chicago Bears RB Matt Forte (knee) is believed to have suffered a sprained medial collateral ligament in Week 13 but he will have to undergo more tests to get an official diagnosis.

was nice to make the playoffs, but my run just ended. :/

618

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 17:59

Question on the rules (probably more for Guru than for any of us here)

If I remember correctly we can't drop skill position (QB, RB, WR) players once we're in the playoffs, or am I misremembering? If I'm remember incorrectly then I will def. have some waiver wire fun this week. If not then Orton is stuck on my team and I'm stuck with Sanchez trying to win me a championship...

DPR and I are going to come down to Monday night, I can tell right now. I'm just hoping Stafford looks terrible tonight in New Orleans. If he does then I will be very grateful he didn't play his Tebows.

619

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 18:01

I just re-read the rules. I can't add a QB. So Mark Sanchez, here we go (should I make it)

620

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 19:22

two nailbiter games this week for me.

621

sarge33rd
ID: 271155415
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 19:48

I think PD, you're gonna get by me...*shrug* should prolly be close though

622

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 21:06

Looks like I will clinch. (If I lost both and Sarge won both, he would take 1st because he waxed me in head-to-head)

But I'll be out in the 1st round....Today I lost 3 IDP's to injury plus my wr3/te Davis to rumored 4 game suspension.

623

sarge33rd
ID: 271155415
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 21:14

and I lose Forte to a sprained MCL

624

sarge33rd
ID: 271155415
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 22:52

Matt Forte suffered a Grade 2 MCL sprain in Sunday's loss to the Kansas City Chiefs, according to the initial diagnosis, sources close to the situation told ESPN.com. Injuries such as these typically sideline players two to six weeks. There are four games left in the season. Forte walked off the field with athletic trainers in the first quarter after taking a shot to the right knee from LB Derrick Johnson. The club immediately declared him out.

dmmt

625

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 23:13

The way I'm projecting it, there looks to be a 4 way tie for 4th through 7th at 15-11. Kyle's Enhanced Performers, Moose's Heroes, My Johnson is Bigger Than Yours, Syncopats look to be on that path.
Records against each other:
Moose's Heroes (5-1)
Kyle's Enhanced Performers (3-3)
My Johnson is Bigger Than Yours (3-3)
Syncopats (1-5)

This means Moose would clinch the 4th seed, myself and dwetzel would be 5th and 6th based on record and then the next 2 would be based on scoring. Odds are this would be Syncopats and Perm Dude would be the 7th and 8th teams in but it looks like the order would be PD, DWetz, Kyle, and Syncopats. There's a really close battle for points between Syncopats and Khahan though, so either of those could make it through points. I could clinch the 4th seed with a comeback against DPR.

What I'm trying to say is it's all up in the air and will come down to Monday night.

626

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Mon, Dec 05, 2011, 22:10

Halftime update (because why not?) -- have NOT checked H2H tiebreakers

1. Challenger (19-7), losing to Moose by 1.14
2. Sarge (17-9)
3. dpr (16-10), losing to Kyle by 0.18
4. Kyle (16-10)
5. Moose (16-10)
6. Syncopats (15-11)
7. Perm Dude (14-12)
8. My Johnson (14-12), losing to PD by 1.12
9. Khahan (13-13)

The 7 and 8 teams in the standings would be the two points qualifiers.

627

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Mon, Dec 05, 2011, 22:11

And, as I post that, dpr goes ahead of Kyle by 0.72, which would move him into a tie for 2/3 and drop Kyle into a 5/6 tie with Syncopats (and ensure a 4th for Moose).

628

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Mon, Dec 05, 2011, 22:18

(Unless of course Moose drops to 15-11.)

OK, this stuff's complicated.

All I know is Synco will be 15-11. The only way he doesn't make the playoffs on record is if everything else stays as is, except that I beat PD; but then I think he's the 2nd highest point getter not in the top 6 anyway thanks to his points this week.

So, it may be all sound and fury signifying nothing except playoff seeding.

629

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 00:34

Barring a major change, I'm going to beat DPR and Moose is going to be Challenger which moves all 3 of us to 16-10. Moose and DPR went 3-1 and I went 1-3 in the 3 team series. So I'm #5 which means I'm seeded based on scoring. This may make it better for me in the first round if there's some point changes (I'm hoping for Syncopats to lose 1 tackle somewhere or for me to gain 1 tackle somewhere). So I can be the 7 seed instead of the 3 or 4 and face a Forte-less Sarge! ;)

Right now though I have it as:

1. Challenger (19-7, 3769.68)
vs
8. Kyle's Enhanced Performers (16-10, 3449.56)

4. Moose's Heroes (16-10, 3515.92)
vs
5. Perm Dude (13-13, 3623.88)

2. sarge <3s cheerleaders (17-9, 3474.4)
vs
7. Syncopats (15-11, 3450.6)

3. dpr (16-10, 3701.96)
vs
6. My Johnson is Bigger Than Yours (15-11, 3508.96)

630

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 08:35

Congratz to the top 8 and good luck in the playoffs. I can't believe another Rotoguru league I drop out of the running in the very last day (baseball I was in first most of the season and ended second).

Coming into the draft if you had told me I'd be competing for a playoff spot I'm not sure I would have believed you. I had taken 2 years off of football and had no idea who many of the big name players were, even. Add in individual defensive players (never did that before), the double games (never did that before), draft set up (never did that style draft) and I was planning on this year being a 'get acquainted year.' But considering how I was doing mid-season I must admit I'm extremely disappointed. I collapsed but syncopats put together a good team and played well to take advantage of my Boston/Atlanta drive.

631

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 11:52

Out of my curiosity of how all the other leagues finished I noticed something odd when compared to our league. Their "Points for" in the standings only count the points they scored each week once, where ours are counted twice. While not a big deal and it wouldn't affect the standings at all, I'm wondering if that's a commissioner tool or why ours is the only one that counts the score twice (for the double headers)

Also I will be combing over mine and Synchopats' box scores to find the missing 0.52 I need to move into second place. I REALLY don't want to face Challenger.

632

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 11:58

If you'd like to borrow 20 or so of mine, that'd be fine!

(Watch Sarge go off for 190 this week as I say that. It's practically inevitable at this point.)

633

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 12:04

RE: 631

I took a look around and I couldn't find where to change it to not doubling the score. I didn't look too hard as I didn't want to mess around with anything this far into the season. I'd imagine it's possible to change.

634

sarge33rd
ID: 581115611
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 12:16

Those who have been in leagues with me before, know that this season has been an anomaly for me. My squads, are stereotypically racked by injuries and indeed, in wk 1 a stud DB went down. The remainder of the season, has been remarkably injury free for me SO...it only makes sense, that Forte would go *poof* for 2-6 weeks, just as our playoffs begin. Ah well.....

The 1st 3 weeks I was 1-5 and scratching my head., I KNEW, my squad wasnt that bad. These last 3 weeks, I am 5-1 with my RBs having been largely AWOL. I need my IDP to continue to carry and Janis to do what he does, hammy strain or no.

BOL!!!

635

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 12:17

without Fred Jackson I'm pretty much doomed. But we'll see!

636

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 12:49

Ok, I've already found a TFL I didn't get credited for in week 1. But now that I'm doing this I'd like to get a ruling. What are we using as "official stats"?

I went to NFL.com went to their box scores and they have a link for each game to their "Game Book", a PDF that has every statistic. If I can find a discrepancy between that and the MFL box score, would that be evidence enough for a change in score? Also is there a Statute of Limitations for filing a complaint for a score change? I feel like Guru may need to come in to solve this one.

637

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 13:00

I think we have to go by MFL stats. If there is a problem with their stats, you should approach them to correct their stats first, I would think.

Does the potential change affect the week 1 games for you?

638

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 13:19

PD it doesn't affect the result of Week 1, but it affects the total points scored by my team, and since I'm down by only 1.04 points for the 7 seed (0.54 per game), one tackle would make a big difference.

639

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 13:59

Question on those box scores kyle - is it possible that was an 'original' box score but a later ruling took it (the tackle) away and your points are accurately reflected now?

Maybe before answering the other questions we should verify that the source you are using is accurate?

640

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 14:07

Here's a link to the box score Jax vs. Ten

The TFL in question is Michael Griffin's in the 4th quarter. "3-2-TEN 26 (13:08) L.McCown pass short left to M.Thomas to TEN 27 for -1 yards (M.Griffin)"

I don't know if that's the original and it got changed. If it is, then is there a site I can use to check the stats? I tried looking at the source that MFL uses, but they don't publicize the stats on their site. (Stats LLC, www.stats.com)

641

sarge33rd
ID: 581115611
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 14:09

screen passes TFL, dont get credit for a TFL under this system if I understand correctly.

642

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 14:12

I believe the only stats valid are the ones MFL receives. Since they do receive scoring changes every week, I don't think you could challenge with info from another site.

643

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 14:55

RE 641: I could use a ruling on screen pass TFL's since I had one this week which wasn't counted as well (Jarius Byrd, 1:41 left in the 2nd Q)

If they're not counted then my stats this week are right, if they are counted then I have an extra 2 points I should be awarded.

644

sarge33rd
ID: 581115611
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 14:57

I am absolutely certain, I read that Screen passes were not TFL eligible. Where? I do not know off hand, but I'm not about to dig thru 13 weeks of posts looking for it either. :)

645

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 15:05

I just did a Ctrl+F of the RIFC Regular season discussion, Draft discussion, AAA #1 and #2 discussions and our thread here. The only instance I can find of Screen Passes being mentioned is you, Sarge, in post 321 here. It was in our talks about what sacks are worth this year (4 points: 1 for the sack, 2 for the TFL, and 1 for the QBH). No where did we come to the finalization that TFL on screen passes would be counted as a plain old tackle and not a TFL.

646

sarge33rd
ID: 581115611
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 15:06

did you search the MFL site? Or the other RISC discussions, since I think all use the same rules, right?

647

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 15:07

This was discussed seasons ago and the agreed rule was all points adjustment must be submitted by kickoff of the first game of the next week to prevent exactly this situation.

648

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 15:07

Sorry for the double post, and for being a pain in the ass on this issue, I really just want to get this nailed down so I can manually check my stats in the playoffs and make sure everything is right in my games for that, since there's so much riding stats in the postseason.

649

sarge33rd
ID: 581115611
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 15:24

looking at my post 321, I'm thinking maybe it was one of those "trivia rules" questions that gets asked sometimes during a game, and THAT is where the screen ending behind the LoS did not result in a TFL.

Try as I might, I can not recall what 'source' prompted that part of the comment.

650

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 15:36

I do remember the rule from post 647 now that's it's posted. So if there's any room for me to argue for TFL it's until Thursday and it's for Jarius Byrd's tackle of Javon Ringer 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

651

sarge33rd
ID: 581115611
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 16:43

given the screen pass thing was raised, and I said at the time I didnt understand why they were not eligible, but nobody argued otherwise AT ALL; I'd say by quiet acquiescence, it was agreed that they were not eligible.

652

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 17:12

I'll accept whatever the ruling is, but I'd kind of like to hear what an official ruling is on this. If TFL on screen passes aren't officially TFLs then it does change so ideas I have for players and drafting.

653

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 18:12

Found this in the stat definitions on the MFL commissioner page

Tackles behind the line of scrimmage are only considered to be Tackles for Loss if they occur on a rushing play or as part of a sack. Players tackled for negative yardage after a reception are not counted as a TFL.

654

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 18:29

Thanks Guru. That ends that. Challenger, it looks like I'll have to beat you without my players getting credit for tackling receivers behind the line of scrimmage ;) And Sarge, it looks like I'll have to wait for the championship game to beat you ;)

655

sarge33rd
ID: 581115611
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 20:11

lol assuming my RB less guys can keep over achieving :)

656

Khahan
ID: 54138190
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 16:37

I didn't realize there was a losers bracket. Guess I'll have to make sure to set that for next week.

657

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 16:42

So, that Lance Moore for Titus Young lineup switch... yeah. (sigh).

Khahan, at least you're guaranteed one tie this week! (Or is that two?)

658

sarge33rd
ID: 331156119
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 19:12

wrong week to be w/o Forte, or to have left LT on the bench, or for OAK to have been facing GB, or... lol

659

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 20:03

Eli could still go nuts. I'm really really hoping he doesn't though.

Managed to start exactly the wrong two RBs, the wrong QB, the wrong WR... left 32 points on the bench. And yet, if you told me you could put up about a 150 (I'm expecting a couple TFLs to get added onto my defense), I'd have taken it.

Come and get me dpr!

660

dpr
ID: 2410181422
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 20:19

Our matchup will be close. Down 47 with that being pretty much exactly the sum of my guys averages and their projected scores for this week. Nice knowing exactly what is needed.

RB2 has been my worst spot all season. Chose the wrong guy this week for sure. Should have known not to trust Hillis but tolbert isnt good for anything these days if he doesnt get in the endzone. Frustrating that no one wanted to trade when I was offering top tier WR or QBs. Not sure if leaving Steve Smith on the bench was a good choice or not, tough tho as I really have 4 WR1s.

661

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 20:22

I wish I had taken you up -- but I would have had zero RB depth, and frankly my RBs aren't that good anyway. Definitely don't have a QB1 or WR1 though. (Well, I have a WR1, but he apparently picked this year to not stretch hamstrings.)

662

sarge33rd
ID: 331156119
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 20:27

I was thinking the same DW, cept the only RB1 I had was Forte, and Meddenhall was stinking up the place. OK, as it turned out, with Forte going south...I could and should have made an offer...but with no RB depth, couldnt give up one of the top RBs in the game.

663

damoose
ID: 08121419
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 21:33

Looks like ill have to watch the Monday night game...looks like it will be Jackson vs baldwin

664

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 21:36

Didn't think it would even be relevant given my lack of a decent second RB and Foster having a meh day.

It would be something if it came down to a meaningless Rodgers INT against the Raiders.

665

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 22:27

I don't know why, but these terrible MNF games always come with me being behind and having a player left trying to make a comeback. This week will be no different, with Marshawn looking to BEASTMODE me into the second round. I'll have my skittles ready.

666

damoose
ID: 08121419
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 23:21

You have to be kidding me...how does dez get that open?

667

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 23:23

This is post 666 and the announcement of the end of my season. In 2 straight plays, Challenger clinches a win with 15 points (Sean Lee INT followed by a Dez 50 YD TD)

668

damoose
ID: 08121419
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 23:24

36 point lead erased in one gamr

669

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 23:25

Or 667 because Moose stole my post :P

670

dpr
ID: 2410181422
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 23:57

well didnt get quite as many as I would have liked tonight because my guys couldnt find the endzone. Still have a shot but its going to take big efforts from my IDPs tomorrow.

671

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 00:04

Cowboys left a lot of points for me on the field tonight, but I'm certainly happier to be up 4 with Moose having S. Jackson going tomorrow.

672

wolfer
ID: 91147515
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 11:25

Don't forget to check in on our bball league, Perm.

673

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 12:07

Well now, this is interesting. I may be the first person to ever face themselves in the playoffs (ok, its the losers bracket, but its still the playoffs!!). I also have the chance to be first person to face himself TWICE in the same playoff period!

Ohh the excitement. There's got to be some kind of trophy for that or mention in the hall (sh)fame. Oh, probably the hall of shame.

674

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 12:50

I've never seen someone win a single-elimination bracket after losing twice. That might be some kind of record.

675

damoose
ID: 08121419
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 13:03

Re: 673

The last commish had an elaborate consy bracket set up. I dint want to make any changes to the setup so I only filled out the top half of it. Not realizing you'd be facing yourself in other half.

676

sarge33rd
ID: 5811531212
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 13:54

gratz to SYNCOPATS. My consolation, is that even had I started the perfect line-up for the week from my squad; I was still beaten by the lineup I faced.

677

damoose
ID: 08121419
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 21:38

Lol perm gets a blocked punt from Baldwin...he's like tebow, team of destiny

678

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 22:31

This one's gonna be close........

679

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 22:50

TEBALDWIN

680

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 22:53

Dammit--I can't even watch. The Seahawks aren't even throwing to him really.

----

As soon as I wrote that, he gets a 2 throws in a row, including a td...

------

One of the cool things is that he returns kicks. So if Jackson scores for Moose, Baldwin will have an opportunity to get some of those points back on the very next play. You really gotta love players who go multi-position.

681

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 23:00

I'm done watching. Down 21 points, every time Lynch gets 10 yards, Challenger gets a tackle from Stewart. And with Baldwin's TD, I'm pretty sure that's the last score from the Seachickens. If there is a comeback I won't be watching it.

682

damoose
ID: 08121419
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 23:01

With tonights performance, Baldwin has surpassed his past four weeks combined. Jackson gets stopped at the 1 then bradford takes intentional grounding.

Haha, fantasy football.

Gets you every time.

Good game perm dude.

I had a good time guys in my first time being a commish. 11 out of 12 stayed competitive. Good ratio for most leagues.

683

dpr
ID: 2410181422
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 23:12

can you get half a tackle for a loss? Lauriniatis got one of them. Also what other defensive stats are added later?

684

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Mon, Dec 12, 2011, 23:47

I'm pretty sure you got me. Two TFLs coming your way if the ESPN score is to be believed. Damn you Steve Spagnolo for running three stupid draw plays when you could have just given up gracefully.

685

dpr
ID: 2410181422
Tue, Dec 13, 2011, 00:29

looks like only 1.5 TFl and i lose by .08 unless there is further adjustments. Crazy to have it be so close.

686

damoose
ID: 08121419
Tue, Dec 13, 2011, 07:51

Wow is all you can say about dpr's matchup...doesn't get closer than that in playoffs

687

DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Tue, Dec 13, 2011, 10:32

Zounds.

688

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Dec 13, 2011, 17:30

Congrats to all the winners. A special good luck to Challenger, as I root for the teams that beat me to win it all so I have some solace in losing. I'll see the playoff teams in AAA next year.

Thanks to Moose for running this league seamlessly. It's a thankless job, but you did a wonderful job, and this was quite possibly the best run RIFC I've been a part of. If you're a commish next year, I would like to be a part of your league! :)

Now some analysis of my season:

Draft recap
Offensively:
I was happy with my RB depth and thought I had 2 top end WRs to help carry a weak QB crop. Late round flyers on Josh Cribbs and Tony Moeaki looked like they might be able to pay off big or not hurt too much. Having MJD and Joe Addai's handcuffs considering their injury history as well as Marshawn Lynch's inability to play a full season meant I would need to carry 5 RBs minimally. Matt Schaub's bye week was late and Mark Sanchez played New England that week and had a weak schedule when Schaub had a strong defensive opponent. I also liked having Sanchez's security blanket in Dustin Keller, in a year where Rex said he wanted to throw the ball more.

Defense: I thought my DLine would be weak but my LBs and DBs would be solid. I really liked how Jon Beason was big time tackler and that Daniel Manning would be playing full time safety while being the KR and PR on what was a weak pass defense last year. I felt like I had a lot of points locked up in about 4 players and they would be able to carry the weak points on the team.

In Season
Injuries: This season I was beset by injuries in places I didn't really expect them. Moeaki and Rashad Jennings going down in the preseason hurt me in the depth chart but not on the front line. Manning and Beason going down early in the season certainly hurt my defense. Addai was expected, but being down for what seemed to be the whole season wasn't expected. Nor was Donald Brown getting so many carries. Every report out of Colts camp said he had fallen out of favor and the coaches loved Delonne Carter's hard running style.

Bad Offense: The D'first names happened. Jackson has been terrible all season, he was not worth the 2nd round pick. I fully expected 8 TDs and 1000 yds at this point in the season with a boatload of PR yards (He has half of the PR yards he did last season). He wouldn't have been worth a 5th round pick. Bowe has disappointed a little less, but 8 straight weeks without a 100 yard game or a TD has been disheartening. I'm fine with 80 yard games every other week if you follow it with a TD performance.

Good Offense: MJD has been everything I could have wanted and more. 2 games where he didn't reach double digits and averaging 16 ppg. He's also averaging 25 rec yards a game, which was unexpected with the QB situation in JAX. Lynch has been great since he strained his back in week 7. TDs in 6 of the last 7 games and 100 yards in 5 of those. I'll take it for a 5th round RB. Sanchez has filled in admirably since Schaub went down, but I can only think "what would have been" if Schaub never goes down... Oh well. At least I had a solid backup for him. And Cribbs has averaged 10 points a game. I don't care how he gets it, he get it. KR, PR, Rushing, Receiving, ST Tackles. He does it all, and I get points for everything he does.

Defense: I am amazed at Jason Pierre Paul's season. I knew he was alright in limited time last year, but I thought that I'd be lucky to get 10 sacks and another 6 or so TFL with 30 tackles all season. He seemingly has done something every game that make me scratch my head. Ahtyba Rubin has been solid for 5 ppg and honestly I want is steady production from the DLs. I don't expect much. Get me 15 ppg combined and I'll smile and not cut you.

I ended up keeping only one of my drafted DBs, Michael Griffin, and he was good for 5 ppg. I had high hopes for Manning, but he got hurt, I took a flyer on a former top tier DB, OJ Atogwe. He scored 13 points in one game for me. Since then Jarius Byrd has played solidly for me.

Linebacker wise, my 2nd and 3rd picks, Paul Posluszny and Brian Cushing have been great, getting around 8 or 9 points per game. They would have been great 2 and 3s all season had Beason been healthy and a playing like his normal self. Instead they were solid 1 and 2s, but nothing spectacular. The third spot has been a bit of a revolving door. Kavell Conner played decently for me. Kevin Burnett has been on 3 different rosters, but when he's been on mine he's been passable. Bradie James was a disappointment. Kameron Wimbley was a nice bye week replacement.

Overall ratings:
QB Play: B overall
Schaub- INC (B- at the time of injury)
Sanchez- B+ (10th best QB, 16th drafted)
Tyler Palko played one game. No grade for him, but an F- to the owner of the team for thinking he could fill in one week.

RB- B- overall
MJD- A- (3rd best RB, 7th taken)
Lynch- A++ (7th best RB, 27th taken)
Carter- C (Played well when in lineup)
Addai- D- (Unacceptable)
Deji Karim and Toby Gerhert made appearances on the bench

WR- C overall
Cribbs- A- (16th overall WR)
Bowe- C- (21st)
Jackson- D+ (29th)
Jacoby Ford- C-
Jonathon Baldwin- D
Brian Hartline- F
The last 3 played a total of 6 games in my lineup.

TE- C-
Keller- C- (wasn't terrible...)
Shiancoe- C- (made 2 appearance in the lineup)

PK- A
Robbie Gould- A (Suisham hit 11 pts in Gould's bye)

DL- B-
JPP- A (3rd best DL)
Rubin- C (Can't complain about 5.3 ppg)
Ray Edwards played one game.

LB- B-
Paul Pos- B (18th LB)
Cushing- B- (23rd)
Burnett- C
Conner- C-
James- F
Wimbley played one game.

DB- B-
Manning- A- (8 ppg until injury)
Byrd- B+ (around 8 ppg since coming)
Griffin- C+ (Consistency is key)
Atogwe played one game.

FA Pickup analysis:
I didn't really do bad at picking up D fill ins, but an inability to field a credible WR crew week in and week out hurts my perception of how well i really did. I would rate it a C-, but I would like to pat myself on the back for picking up Gerhart when AP went down and stashing him in case of emergency and preventing anyone else from getting him.

Overall: First round loss as the 8 seed (T3rd in terms of record), I give this season a B- since I'm moving on to AAA.

689

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Sun, Dec 18, 2011, 15:23

Nah, why would I want to start Lance Moore this week? Self, way to whipsaw yourself.

690

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Sun, Dec 18, 2011, 20:13

This is the part of the weekend I hate. Got a decent lead, but he's still got two guys going to my one scrub.

691

DWetzel
ID: 31111810
Sun, Dec 18, 2011, 23:05

Torrey Smith, you may have just saved my season with a total garbage-time TD.

Cardiac Johnsons, tally ho!

692

DWetzel
ID: 49962710
Tue, Dec 20, 2011, 12:20

Luckbox... fully engaged.

693

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Wed, Dec 21, 2011, 16:29

I knew as soon as Fred Jackson went down that my season would be self limiting. Glad to have gotten to the playoffs and get a W, at least.

Good luck, fellas. Time to sit back and watch the rest of the season without doing things like hoping the return guy fumbles because my opponent has him...

694

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 14:10

Well, it may be the consolation bracket, but I'm still filling in my lineup and fighting for a final ranking. Good luck to Valkyrie this week..just not as much as I get!

As pointed out above, I'm in a single elimination bracket. I had a match I didn't win in the first week of the playoffs yet here I am still playing. I'm just really amused by that system, but glad its in place.

Good luck to those still fighting for the championship.

695

damoose at work
Dude
ID: 181042723
Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 16:01

i rearranged the consy brackets so everyone could keep their teams going if they wanted something to do.

Goodluck to the teams in the championship game.

696

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Mon, Dec 26, 2011, 11:06

(attempted jinx alert)

Congrats Challenger. Best team all season deserves the win. I just wish I could have made it closer!

(/attempted jinx alert)

(But seriously, I mean it.)

697

Challenger
ID: 35781513
Mon, Dec 26, 2011, 18:57

(block jinx attempt)

Thanks! Around RIFC it is usually winning the regular season that works as the jinx! :)

(/block jinx attempt)

Seriously, I'm hoping Turner doesn't go off or Moore gets lucky!!

698

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sat, Dec 31, 2011, 11:13

Here is the link for the MFL PLAYOFF CHALLENGE:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=foot&thread=5429#1325351358

You can enter one or two teams. Please join us! Just for fun!

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