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Subject: 2011 RotoGurupie Keeper 14: Regular Season Thread
Posted by: Mötley Crüe
- [597211121] Fri, Sep 09, 2011, 21:23
I don't think waivers are set up correctly right now. I just went in to the league site to see if I could claim a waived player and I was unable to do it. I get this message: "Your league calendar indicates that owners cannot submit waiver picks now."
The rules indicate that waivers should now be in place for all dropped players: When a player is dropped from a roster, the player will go on waivers for 48 hours. At the end of the 48 hour period, if any team has placed a claim on the player, the team with the highest claiming priority will receive the player.
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| 1 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Sep 09, 2011, 21:26
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Yeah, there's no waivers for locked players set up until next week. I'll set it up to run those until Sunday. I think I need to fix the time those run as well to match the RIFC setup as well. Should be all done in a few minutes.
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| 2 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Sep 09, 2011, 21:28
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Try it now, should be fixed.
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| 3 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 597211121
Fri, Sep 09, 2011, 22:28
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Gracias, worked like a charm. I'm not actually picking anyone up. Just thought I'd make sure it works today before we get rolling and find out after people try making claims for real and can't.
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| 4 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Sep 10, 2011, 01:26
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Thanks for fixing that Bonka and for starting a season thread, MC. Have I mentioned how much I hate playing Guru in week 1? Not that I think facing Rodgers any week this year is going to be fun for anyone but Guru.
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| 5 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 597211121
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 07:33
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I think the website needs some attention. I'm not sure if all transactions (for players who've already played) are locked. I just went in to see if I could set up a claim and instead the game offered to allow me to pick the guy up FCFS. I'm headed out of town otherwise I'd dig into it and have a look. Just don't have the time to spare at the moment.
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| 6 | TB
ID: 238531215
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 16:53
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I went in and looked at it and it should be working correctly. I am going to log in as my own team and experiment to see if I can drop/add any players that should be locked. I will make sure to reverse the transactions as commish if it turns out the settings aren't correct.
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| 7 | TB
ID: 238531215
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 16:59
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It let me go through all the steps, but when I clicked to submit I got the dual error message:
Error - Cannot Add/Drop Evans, Lee BAL WR After His Game Has Kicked Off. Error - Cannot Add/Drop Norwood, Eric CAR DE After His Game Has Kicked Off.
Again, I think it is set up correctly.
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| 8 | Athletics Guy
ID: 05231519
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 17:37
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How does the IR work again? If I choose to put a player on IR, am I able to keep him next year with the same pick I used on him this year or does it still get halved?
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| 9 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 17:38
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The pick gets halved if the player has been kept for multiple years. So if you drafted him this year, that's the pick for next year. If you kept him this year, then the pick is halved.
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| 10 | Athletics Guy
ID: 05231519
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 18:09
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So there's no special treatment for players placed on the IR then. Thanks for the clarification.
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| 11 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 12:45
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Waiver priorities are still messed up.
They need to be reset at the beginning of the week, but then put on a rolling custom order during the week.
Claims processed on Wednesday were OK, but the order for any dropped player claims should now reflect claims already awarded during the week.
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| 12 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 13:02
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I didn't touch the waiver order setup but just looked at it now. It's set to a custom order but wasn't set to be rolling. It should just be set on rolling for the season and then the custom order is reset each week? Is that how you handle it in RIFC without any issues?
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| 13 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 17:00
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The way I handle it for the first six weeks is this:
After each weekend, I reset the custom order to the reverse of the standings. I then leave it set for rolling.
Once we have passed the six weekly resets, nothing else needs to be done - until we get to the playoffs.
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| 14 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 18:29
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Anyone need a LB???
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| 15 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 18:35
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Waiver order should be fixed now.
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| 16 | TB
ID: 318221411
Thu, Sep 15, 2011, 16:38
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When you say the waiver order is fixed, are you saying you went in and changed it back to: The system maintains a season-long rolling waiver order, moving the franchise that picks to the bottom of the list.
And does this mean that after the Sunday games I just need to go into the custom waiver over (for the next 5 weeks) and set it to the correct order based on current W/L record?
If not, what other setting was changed so I can file this away for future reference.
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| 17 | TB
ID: 318221411
Thu, Sep 15, 2011, 16:43
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Actually, I just scrolled up and read and think that's exactly what needs to happen. It was set on rolling custom and I had previously (during the draft and after week one) set up the custom waiver order to reflect the correct order, but made the change thinking I could leave it like that for 6 weeks and it would correct itself. I didn't realize after waivers ran that it would again revert to the W/L record. You'd think they could add the option so that waiver order only resets on Sunday but could maintain a rolling order otherwise.
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| 18 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Sep 15, 2011, 21:28
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It wasn't set to rolling, it was set to run each round based on the custom list. We may be able to switch it to do the waiver order based on reverse standings, then swap it back to custom. Not sure if it will set the custom list to match the reverse standings. If it does, that's the easiest way to do it. If it doesn't, then we have to manually set the custom order each week for now. Not a big deal either way, takes under a minute to do.
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| 19 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 20:57
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Since the league isn't set up currently to put trades up for an automatic poll vote on the MFL site (which it would be easier if it was done that way), I guess I need to post here to see if there are any protests. If not, it can get put through tomorrow night.
Bonka gives up
Sean Weatherspoon
2012 24th round
Beezer gives up
DeAndre Levy
2012 18th round
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| 20 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 398131910
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 11:13
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I protest Beezer getting Weatherspoon and then using him to kick my butt.
Anybody want to make me an offer for Ben Tate? I'm looking for WR help, possibly TE.
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| 21 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Sep 20, 2011, 00:07
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Really, gotta play the top score with the 2nd highest? Never gets old.
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| 22 | TB
ID: 318221411
Tue, Sep 20, 2011, 12:16
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It's happened to all of us at one time or another. I'd be perfectly happy going 0-2 if I could score 170 points.
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| 23 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Sep 20, 2011, 13:37
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Yeah, it's happened to me plenty. Wins still are more important since scoring can change drastically at any point.
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| 24 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Tue, Sep 20, 2011, 19:23
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Re: 20
I'm just glad to pile up some wins while I can. If Vick is out this week I am in bad shape.
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| 25 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 398131910
Tue, Sep 20, 2011, 21:07
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Beezer, yeah, especially with Gates putting up a goose egg. Man, what kind of magic do the Patriots know to shut down Antonio "Revolutionized the Position" Gates? How come that's never been done before?
Bellichick must have sold his soul.
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| 26 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Sep 23, 2011, 03:07
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I wanted Winslow, darn you. Why was he even dropped???
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| 27 | Athletics Guy
ID: 05231519
Sat, Sep 24, 2011, 17:01
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I need him a lot more than you do!
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| 28 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Sep 25, 2011, 12:49
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Oh yeah, have to start both Carolina RBs today. Lets go Panthers!
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| 29 | The Beezer
ID: 0944216
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 12:44
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I am pretty sure that I have the worst 6-0 team in league history. And yes that's about 70% bragging/needling and 30% apology to those who have more total points but a worse record. :)
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| 30 | TB
ID: 108221922
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 19:25
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I felt really good about my team coming out of the draft. Better than I've felt in a couple seasons. Losing Charles hurts, but even if he was averaging 20 points a game, so many of my other players are just not performing where I thought they might; Romo, Desean Jackson, Jacoby Ford, Mike Williams, Reggie Bush, Vernon Davis. To think, I almost sent IAC a trade offer of Charles for McFadden before the season started. I'm guessing we could have worked a deal.
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| 31 | IAC
ID: 35836318
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 20:51
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RE 30: It would have been hard to work out a deal for McFadden. I bought into him in both my RotoGuru leagues, and in my Strat leagues too. I have a lot of hopes ridding on him. I tend to "covet" certain styles of players, for HBs I really like one that aren't 1 dimensional. I've similarly bought heavily into Peyton Hillis, and LeSean McCoy. For WRs, I like the BIG PLAY guys, and have gotten good success out of players like DeSean Jackson/Mike Wallance, and Kenny Britt (although that injury really hurts most of my teams). At TE, I own both Owen Daniels and Rob Gronkowski in most of my leagues.
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| 32 | TB
ID: 108221922
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 23:49
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Charles isn't one dimensional and there wasn't a single preseason ranking that had him below McFadden. I will take your word for it that you wouldn't have made that trade straight up before the season started.
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| 33 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 07:12
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Not to mention McFadden is the one with the injury history, and Charles plays for the team with a historically better offense (of late at least). I would have made that deal. Taking advantage of homers is not something I'm proud of, but it has to be done if for no other reason than to teach them a lesson.
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| 34 | TB
ID: 108221922
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 09:59
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You say the weirdest things, sometimes. While I am a bit of a homer, it's not like I've drafted 5 Raiders every season. I follow them religiously during the off-season and during camp, so I knew McFadden and Bush both reported in excellent shape and how well both had been running in camp. I knew Denarius Moore was NFL ready now and going to be an impact player sooner rather than later. I know that a healthy Boss is capable of putting up similar or even better numbers than Zach Miller in this offense. I know that Campbell has more offensive weapons than he's ever had, is in his second season with the same offense, and is playing with more confidence. I think we all know what a healthy Jacoby Ford is capable of in this format and at one time or another somebody other than me has owned DHB, Schilens, and Murphy in this league. The Raider offense is legit this year, especially with the way their offensive line has come together.
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| 35 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 20:28
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I'd like to move some of my deeper WRs for an upgrade at RB - let me know if you're interested.
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| 36 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 13:50
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I can move one of my LBs if anyone is in need. Looking to just get a draft bump for next year.
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| 37 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 21:10
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Trade Announcement:
Mötley Crüe gives up
Matt Hasselbeck
Beezer's Heinz 57s gives up
Sidney Rice
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| 38 | TB
ID: 4692819
Sat, Oct 08, 2011, 20:02
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I am on the road so went ahead and processed the trade now in case either of you need them in your line-up this week.
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| 39 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Tue, Oct 11, 2011, 19:34
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Eric Decker is on the block - got too many week 6 byes. I'll take a small discount to get someone who actually is on the field this Sunday at RB or WR.
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| 40 | TB
ID: 108221922
Tue, Oct 11, 2011, 22:55
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Does he come with a Tim Tebow bobblehead?
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| 41 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 09:36
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Wow, I edged Guru this past week by .02
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| 42 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 10:40
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Yeah, I noticed. Hoping for a statistical adjustment on Thursday.
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| 43 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 11:24
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I know after the Monday night game I was losing, so I think there have been enough adjustments for this week.
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| 44 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 18:51
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Re: 40
Yes, but that costs extra. :)
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| 45 | Challenger
ID: 35781513
Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 12:56
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re 42 - Guru didn't receive his gift as the gift horse showed up at my doorstep instead. Yahhhh! Antonio Smith was adjusted 3 pts. (Sorry for your loss IAC)
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| 46 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Oct 16, 2011, 20:01
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Ok, my team stinks. Can't start the right Panthers RB and Hillis just chills on the sideline. Finley is a huge letdown and Tuck was a waste of a pick. Oh well, Stafford and Calvin going in to next season with AJ Green is good enough. Stay healthy please.
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| 47 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Oct 16, 2011, 20:02
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Oh, apparently I'm winning my 2 games this week for now. Still think my team stinks!
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| 48 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 21:17
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Waiver order needs to be re-set. I'd like to take advantage of my last chance to pick in the top 10.
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| 49 | TB
ID: 108221922
Tue, Oct 18, 2011, 23:04
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I've done a good job resetting it each week before Wednesday. With that said, this is the last reset for the season.
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| 50 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Wed, Oct 19, 2011, 06:35
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Totally agree you've done an outstanding job. I haven't noticed any hitches to date. I just needed to ensure I pick ahead of you for the sake of a certain newly anointed QB in Silver & Black--that will probably be gone by the third selection.
And no, I don't mean the QB with the eye-black and hot jugs.
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| 51 | Athletics Guy
ID: 05231519
Wed, Oct 19, 2011, 18:17
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If anyone's interested, I'm looking for an RB. Anybody is available, depending on the RB of course.
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| 52 | leggestand
ID: 451119710
Thu, Oct 20, 2011, 14:56
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I am in re-build mode as this is the worst start I've had in any league ever...underperfoming RB's in CJ2K and Mendenhall and just a horrible WR corps...no matter how many of them I have. TE is way below avg. My shining star is Cam Newton, who has me excited for 2014.
With that being said, I am looking to trade Chris Johnson for two later round keepers, preferably one being a WR. I see some people looking for RB's above, so, I will be looking for some potential trades as well.
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| 53 | Challenger
ID: 35781513
Thu, Oct 20, 2011, 21:03
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Legge, sent you an email
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| 54 | leggestand
ID: 419102122
Fri, Oct 21, 2011, 23:11
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All - Challenger and I just worked out a trade for Johnson. I did want to say that I appreciate all the time spent by other managers in getting reasonable offers out to me. I think I responded to most of them, and if I didn't, I apologize. Matt
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| 55 | Challenger
ID: 35781513
Fri, Oct 21, 2011, 23:13
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Trade Announcement:
Chall's Zabinga gave up:
Austin, Miles DAL WR
Davis, Fred WAS TE
Year 2012 Round 24 Draft Pick from Chall's Zabinga
Leggestand gave up:
Johnson, Chris TEN RB
Kuhn, John GBP RB
Year 2012 Round 6 Draft Pick from Leggestand
Both of us are aware the if this trade approved, Miles Austin, which would be a 6th rd keeper, bumps up to a 5th rd if Legge retains him.
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| 56 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Sat, Oct 22, 2011, 10:53
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Chris Johnson on Twitter: "I don't know what a 'Zabinga' is, but if it gets me off the Fightin' leggestands, I'm proud to be one!"
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| 57 | leggestand
ID: 419102122
Sun, Oct 23, 2011, 08:58
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At what point should trades go through? I'd like to get Fred Davis and Austin in for this week if possible, and then me and Da Bomb agreed to another trade around 3:20 yesterday, so, I don't know if that's impacted by a 24 hour rule or not?
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| 58 | TB
ID: 108221922
Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 00:04
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Sorry guys, was out of town this weekend and never got an email message about trades. I will have to find some setting that notifies me. I just approved the two pending trades and then realized that might have screwed up this weeks line-ups so might have caused myself more trouble and might have to reset pre-trade rosters until after this weeks scoring.
Damn. Wish I had went straight to bed before checking this forum. Whatever damage I may have just done, it can and will be fixed. Please let me know if it affected scoring and I will check in after work tomorrow.
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| 59 | TB
ID: 108221922
Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 19:55
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Doesn't look like scoring was affected after approving the trades. I do apologize for not pushing the trades through sooner. I went in and checked the block to notify me of all trades so even when I am out of town, I will receive a text and can log in to push them through before the games are played.
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| 60 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 20:50
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We can set it to put up a trade poll when there is a trade and it should go through after 24 hours unless it gets voted down. Rather than needing to push it through via commish.
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| 61 | TB
ID: 108221922
Tue, Oct 25, 2011, 00:10
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I think that is a great idea and would like to hear more people chime in.
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| 62 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Tue, Oct 25, 2011, 06:46
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I think we did that a few years ago. It seems like a no-brainer as it automates the protest/approval process.
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| 63 | leggestand
ID: 451119710
Tue, Oct 25, 2011, 10:52
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agreed.
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| 64 | The Beezer
ID: 0944216
Tue, Oct 25, 2011, 11:28
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Concur
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| 65 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Oct 25, 2011, 19:49
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I'm going to set up the trades to be put up for vote automatically right now. It will be set to void it if a certain number of votes against it is reached, just have to look up what that number is in the rules first.
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| 66 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Oct 25, 2011, 19:53
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I set it to require 7 vetos. The rules state if 3 protests are raised then the league votes and 7 or more vetos will cancel it. We can also require teams to vote on polls before submitting a lineup, but I don't think it is necessary.
If any of this is a problem, we can easily swap it back. The only issue I see is it doesn't match up exactly with how the rules are written.
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| 67 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Tue, Nov 01, 2011, 06:20
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Derrick Johnson is making me sick. Some of these IDP's take too damn long to get going. There was no indication any of this was coming when I waived his ass after Week 6.
Bonka-style rant over.
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| 68 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 01, 2011, 14:59
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I think I might have won my game vs Guru had that game last night not gone into OT.
Hali credited with a sack and FF in the extra time. Damn Rivers.
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| 69 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Nov 01, 2011, 15:37
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MC, might need a bit more before you claim a Bonka style rant :D
Anyways, Johnson did put up 94 solos last year, you just gave up on him too early. He had decent games up until that point too. I don't remember if I tried picking him up at the time, I've had too many LBs all season.
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| 70 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Tue, Nov 01, 2011, 22:01
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Dunno, Bonka. He was averaging 6.8 ppg with no sacks and 1.5 TFL after 5 games. I think the sample size was all I could tolerate, especially given the bye situation. I mean, he sat on free agency through his bye as well. Nobody was clamoring for the guy. I just figured he got paid and he was going to settle in and stay healthy. That may still be the case; even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
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| 71 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Wed, Nov 02, 2011, 19:18
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If I hadn't used Heinz 57s for so long, I would definitely change it to the Blind Squirrels. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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| 72 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Wed, Nov 02, 2011, 20:47
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Yeah, don't think we didn't notice that nonsense with London Fletcher, either, Beezer!
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| 73 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 12:40
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I'm ready to trade Greg Jennings and Maurice Jones-Drew, not necessarily together. If you'd like either of them, I'd appreciate the offers. Mostly looking for mid-to-late-round prospects in return
Also, I have been considering starting a Qualifying League and relegation for the Keeper League. Something like the 3 teams that compete for but don't win the Toilet Bowl are relegated to the QL, while the 2 finalists and remaining highest scorer from the QL are promoted to the Keeper League each season. Teams that are promoted receive the rosters of the relegated managers, while the demoted managers receive the rosters of the promoted managers. Or something like that. Alternatively, we could require the promoted managers to start from scratch without keepers.
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| 74 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 13:56
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I think a qualifying league for a keeper league is just a bad idea. Just doesn't make sense for anything but redraft.
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| 75 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 14:07
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Yeah, well I'd say there's not much incentive to do well in this league outside of winning it. And while that's very gratifying, I think it would be more intense and interesting to give people some other motivation to perform.
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| 76 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 14:41
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If motivation is a problem, the better option is to just replace someone. Trying to have a qualifier for a keeper league is just a mess with people taking over someone else's team and people being pulled away from the team they were building (although with only 6 keepers it's not as bad). It would be really uncool to be dumped from the league because your team got hit bad with injuries, or just had a terrible schedule, and have no shot at redeeming yourself the following year.
I'd imagine the majority would be against doing it, but maybe not.
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| 77 | TB
ID: 451028614
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 15:28
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For a guy who doesn't have time to run a league anymore...
I would guess that a very large majority of the league agrees with Bonka. We already have the RIFC. This is a keeper league. Pride is a pretty big incentive. I think most of us want to make the playoffs and at least win a playoff game every year.
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| 78 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 20:34
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I just really like the RIFC format, regardless of what level I'm at. I prefer keeper leagues and the RIFC is the only redraft league I'd even consider participating in at this point.
Adding our keeper aspect to the RIFC format, is the best of both worlds to me. The challange of building, rebuilding a team against this level of competition is something I really enjoy. Pride is a huge incentive for me.
I believe that playing with such tough competiton makes me a better fantasy player and therefore helps all my teams. Over time, I've scaled back to just 3 teams, 2 with the RIFC fomat and G24, which is a very deep league and also offers great competition.
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| 79 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, Nov 06, 2011, 21:11
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I'm always open to discussion for changes.
The only thing on my current wish list for this league is to include the 9th and 10th place teams in post season play.
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| 80 | The Beezer
ID: 25102277
Mon, Nov 07, 2011, 08:22
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I've got to agree with TB, Bonka and mjd. My two primary incentives in any league I play in nowadays are pride and the level of competition. This league has that in spades. That makes success all that more satisfying when it comes.
I'd rather have people clamoring to get in than have to recruit a bunch of folks that may be lukewarm. If the demand is high, I'd rather see a second league set up with some sort of "World Series" for the overall title during the playoffs or something.
Might as well throw my wish list out there:
- add 1-2 defensive keepers as I think we have a good balance on the offensive side between continuity and opportunity
- no playoff changes as I think more than 8 in is too many, plus I'd prefer this league remain identical to the RIFC other than keeper and draft rules
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| 81 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Nov 07, 2011, 17:08
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I think 2 IDP keepers over the 1 right now would be good.
And I agree, more than 8 in the playoffs is too much. Even 8 is a lot, that's over half the teams, which just adds more randomness. Doing well in the regular season doesn't even do anything for your team when having a consistently good team over 13 weeks is tough to do. I'm not suggesting to change anything, but 6 team playoff with top 2 getting byes probably fits best.
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| 82 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Mon, Nov 07, 2011, 18:20
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I agree that more than half the league in the playoffs is probably too many, but I do like that the last 2 slots are determined by points.
My point is that it sucks that 2 out of the 14 teams have their season end after 13 weeks. I'd be fine with 4 teams being eliminated from the playoffs and the Toilet Bowl. That way a mid tier tournament could be played to extend the season for all teams. Allow the post season to determine the following year's draft order.
Just a thought.....
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| 83 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Nov 07, 2011, 19:19
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So the 9th and 10th teams don't play in any consolation bracket? I thought that's what you were getting at the first time I read your post but then thought otherwise after Beezer responded and read it again. I don't know how the secondary playoff brackets work off the top of my head, so if that is the case, then I'd be for having those teams involved in something for sure, even if it doesn't affect draft order.
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| 84 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 08, 2011, 02:06
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here and/or offer an opinion.
Per RIFC rules, the top 6 teams plus the 2 teams with the highest point totals of the remaining teams are playoff bound. Here's where we change. The bottom 4 teams are seeded and play a 2 week tournament Toilet Bowl. The winner of the Toilet Bowl gets the first pick in every round in the following year's non-serpentine draft. Ninth and tenth ranked team's seasons end.
I believe the reason that this came about is that the 9th and 10th ranked teams were seen to have just missed the playoffs and didn't need/deserve a place in the Toilet Bowl and a shot at the first pick in every round of the draft. The first few years of the league this pretty much was the case, so it was left as is. Again, please set me straight if I'm mistaken.
I haven't done it in my 3 years in the league, but I'd be interested in tracking all the 9-10 teams since the league's inception and look to see how those teams have fared in the following year(s). We've discussed this potential change in the past, but not enough teams wanted a change. The league has probably been around long enough now to track the trends of previous 9-10 finishers and perhaps re-think a change.
Already, a few have chimed in that at least for us as a keeper league, 8 teams may be too many for the playoffs. Maybe we can take a poll to see what everyone else thinks.
Generally, I'm not a big fan of byes in the playoffs. I like playing every week, which is my issue with the exclusion of 2 teams from post season play in the first place. In this case however, I'd support first round byes as an incentive to finish top two. I like winning and incentives to win. (Which afterall is the premise of the 3 tiered RotoGuru Invitational Leagues.)
I certainly don't expect that anyone in this league would do it, but not winning could help a team avoid the 9-10 hole and at least give them a shot at winning the Toilet Bowl. Again, I don't think anyone in our league would purposely try to lose, but I'd prefer to only have rules that reward and encourage winning.
I think having 2 less teams in the playoffs makes the regular season more relivent and the best way to impliment that may be rewarding the top 2 regular season teams with a first round bye in the playoffs. Still continue with the Toilet Bowl, as is. Then have a post season tourney for the 7, 8, 9, 10 teams. Tie breakers and other details will need to be addressed. But I think that this is something we could begin to impliment as early as this year if we can agree on something soon. Go with something this year and tweak it for next year, if necessary. Or justwork out the details and impliment it next season.
I just hate excluding 2 teams from post season play.
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| 85 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 08, 2011, 02:12
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I know how to spell relevant. It's late, I thought I changed that.
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| 86 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Tue, Nov 08, 2011, 07:15
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Nobody wants Jennings? Not a single offer?
Back in August, I posted this in the other thread:
I am considering how we could change the keeper rules to eliminate situations like Guru's (and soon to be my own) where a manager can keep 4 players with first round keeper status by giving up picks in rounds 1-4. My preference is to allow fewer players to be kept in that way. I'd support a resolution to allow only 2 players to be kept in any round unless a manager happens to have more than 2 picks in that round. Or, alternately, a player can't be kept with a pick from a round more than 1 round away from the required keeper slot. For example, if a manager has 3 first round keepers, the manager can keep 1 player with his 1st round pick and one with his 2nd round pick, but he can't keep the third player with his 3rd round pick because the third round is more than 1 away from the pick owed for the keeper. This seems in accordance with the current rule on straddling keepers: If three players on the same team require forfeiture of equal draft rounds to be kept, the owner forfeits that round's pick, plus the two picks from the straddling rounds.
Our current method of allowing up to six 1st round picks to be kept with draft picks from rounds 1-6 is not really in accordance with that rule. I understand we've made them mutual exceptions, but it seems to me too great of an advantage in the instances when it happens. It's also creating a real dearth of viable picks at the top of the draft. Something to think about. Maybe the simple answer is to reduce the number of keepers allowed. I'd support changing the number of keepers to 3 any type and 2 IDP only.
I've changed my mind. After seeing the performances of top players wane yet again (as I mentioned they always seem to do in a thread sometime ago), I think the market sorts out these issues itself and the rules are fine the way they are. It may not feel good picking Ryan Grant in the first round, or Devin Hester in the 3rd, but this league is all about nailing picks in later rounds and IDP diligence. I don't think the keeper rules need the kind of tweaking I was contemplating pre-draft. I suppose I'd still be OK with reducing the number of keepers allowed, but I think I was the only person for that in the first place.
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| 87 | The Beezer
ID: 0944216
Tue, Nov 08, 2011, 11:20
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Concur. And I do plan to send you a trade proposal or 2 this evening.
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| 88 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 08, 2011, 13:00
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The shelf life of an NFL player these days is such that if you pick up a rookie as a FA that costs you a 24th round to keep, by the time he costs you a top pick, he may not not be worth it. Especially if they are a RB.
Why would the Bears sign Matt Forte to a big long term contract now when instead they can slap a franchise tag on him for a couple of years and after using and abusing him, just cut him loose?
Especially now that the new CBA has basically a rookie salary cap. They can just draft fresh meat and drop Forte like a bad habit once the new guy is ready and Forte is used up.
I think there's a bunch of good, potentially great players stuck behind current star players that just lack an opportunity to play and become stud players themselves.
The Chris Johnson contract and how he's played this year speaks volumes.
Ther are of course exceptions to the rule, but predicting the length of any NFL player's career, especially a heavily used RB is nearly impossible.
Wish WR was one of my shallower positions, MC. And I sure could use a stud keeper RB. But I'm not sure I'm willing to pay the price to get and keep a high mileage RB like MJD.
I concur that the current keeper rules are fine as is.
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| 89 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Nov 08, 2011, 16:01
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Bradford is available. He'll be a 24th round keeper next year and I'm looking for a RB/WR, preferably RB.
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| 90 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 09, 2011, 12:36
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Sorry to be slow in responding to this thread and to any other emails in the last week or so. We lost power for 9 days from the snowstorm, and just as I got power back, I had to travel to Ohio to support my parents while my Dad had surgery. The surgery went well - but I'm still in Ohio. And I may not have full internet service when I get home (wires are still down), which relegates to cell phone internet access, which works, but is slower.
Anyways...
As a real life example of picks ganged up in round one:
My picks 1-5 this year were tied up with Aaron Rodgers, Frank Gore, Ray Rice, Roddy White, and Reggie Wayne.
Reggie Wayne clearly doesn't warrant a 1st round pick - even with Manning back. Of course, if I were to release him back to the pool, I'd only recover a 5th round pick. Is Wayne worth a 5th rounder? Not this year, as it turns out - and I'll probably not keep him next year, and instead hang on to Jimmy Graham in round 6.
Of the four others, who is the weakest? Probably Roddy White. Would I sacrifice him next year to get back a 4th round pick?
This year, 4th round picks were Beanie Wells, Julio Jones, Boldin, Eli Manning, Steve Smith (Car), Jonathan Stewart, and Mike Thomas. I'd probably still prefer to keep Roddy White as the bird in the hand, unless I have another really solid opportunity in a later round. From a brief scan of my draft, I'm not seeing an obvious candidate.
Clearly, I'll want to keep Rodgers and Rice as my top two for awhile, and Gore seems to be productive enough that I will prefer him to a 3rd rounder at least for one more year, although he may be approaching the end of his top-tier status.
Last season (2010), having my top 5 in place was sufficient to do well for the season. This year, I may not even make the playoffs. So, arguably, it's not that big of a competitive advantage. Players age and decay quickly enough that it's unlikely to have 4-5 "true 1st-rounders" for long.
As such, I'm, not sure that this is an issue that needs to be fixed.
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| 91 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Nov 10, 2011, 11:15
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I was very interested to see how Guru's team would do with his first 5 picks as keepers.
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| 92 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Nov 10, 2011, 13:54
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Whole different situation if Manning was healthy and Wayne had his normal value. Rodgers is #1 overall, Rice and Gore are #5/9 RBs. White is having a so far mediocre season and Wayne...that's out of his control.
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| 93 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 08:01
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Beezer was awarded a claim for Tyvon Branch overnight, but Branch should have been locked for this week because his team has already begun their game for this week by then. There should not be any roster transactions allowed on any Raiders or Chargers after kickoff of the game last night. Not sure if our settings were wrong or if it's a glitch at MFL, but I think it should be undone. Branch should be subject to waivers next Wednesday at noon.
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| 94 | TB
ID: 451028614
Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 10:06
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Transaction has been reversed.
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| 95 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Nov 13, 2011, 18:35
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This week could be killing any shot I have of playoffs. Team finally playing like the crap unit they are.
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| 96 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Mon, Nov 14, 2011, 19:51
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Mike Wallace could be had for the right RB.
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| 97 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 450482421
Mon, Nov 14, 2011, 20:01
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Loosing Schaub is really going to hurt. I think I'll still be heading to the playoffs, but it's going to be tough w/o him.
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| 98 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 19:21
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I've got 3 awesome DL guys (Jared Allen, Andre Carter, Julius Peppers - ranked in that order) and I'd like to move one along with an LB for some RB help.
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| 99 | Challenger
ID: 35781513
Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 10:31
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Trade Announcement:
•Beezer's Heinz 57s will give
Tebow, Tim DEN QB
Carter, Andre NEP DE
•To Chall's Zabinga for
Freeman, Josh TBB QB
Johnson, Chris TEN RB
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| 100 | TB
ID: 451028614
Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 22:42
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I just canceled the trade. Tebow is in the starting line-up for Beezer and is locked until week 11 is completed. You can rework a deal without Tebow or wait until next week to make the same deal.
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| 101 | TB
ID: 451028614
Fri, Nov 18, 2011, 09:11
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Just to clarify my post above. Tebow was in the starting line-up and the game had already started. Had there not been any players starting in a currently active game I would have
allowed the trade to process normally.
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| 102 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Nov 18, 2011, 11:26
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And per RIFC rules "If a proposed trade is announced less than 24 hours before the earliest freeze for any player involved, then the entire trade will not be processed until the following week."
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| 103 | TB
ID: 451028614
Sat, Nov 19, 2011, 03:19
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I didn't know what would happen with it now being an automated process so I clicked on cancel. If they still required commish approval I could have left it pending until next week.
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| 104 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Nov 19, 2011, 17:17
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Just put the trade through next week as is, barring protests. It was already agreed on.
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| 105 | TB
ID: 451028614
Sat, Nov 19, 2011, 21:14
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I've already decided I don't want to commish next season. I think we should make it a rule that whoever wins the league has to commish the following season.
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| 106 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Nov 20, 2011, 13:47
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Wait, so if I agree to commish next year, does that mean I win this year?
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| 107 | TB
ID: 318221411
Wed, Nov 23, 2011, 16:30
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In post #99 a trade was agreed to. I canceled the trade within the game because I was worried it would process after Tebow already scored points for one team. The actual trade wasn't canceled, I was just preventing the game mechanics from creating a bigger problem. There were no protests to the trade and IAW RIFC rules the trade has just been processed. Set your line-ups accordingly.
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| 108 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Fri, Nov 25, 2011, 16:18
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I'd like to see a public statement from the commissioner about Matt Schaub's keeper status.
The rules say two things that have the potential to conflict:
1) A player placed on NFL IR maintains the status of the draft round in which he was chosen in the draft immediately prior to that season (undrafted players placed on NFL IR maintain 24th round keeper status the next year).
2) All players who are waived automatically garner 'undrafted' status.
Schaub was waived on Wednesday morning and went on NFL IR that night. Since he was drafted in the 3rd round this year, it's a significant benefit to mjd if he can be kept with a 24th round pick in 2012. I don't know if I would have won a claim for Schaub, but after discussing this with TB on Wednesday, I elected to forgo a claim because I understood that Schaub would be worth a 3rd round pick.
On an unrelated note: The trade deadline is 12 noon EST on the day before the first game of NFL Week 13. This season that date & time is noon ET on Wednesday 30 November 2011. Trades must be agreed to by that time. After Week 16 ends, trades are allowed again.
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| 109 | TB
ID: 451028614
Fri, Nov 25, 2011, 16:48
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Just like we talked about on the phone, the rules consider Schaub the same as Ryan Grant last season and any other player put on IR and dropped by their team. He maintains his draft status for the next draft, which is as a 3rd round keeper.
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| 110 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, Nov 27, 2011, 13:03
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I figured that would be the case with Schaub or someone with a higher priority might get him, so I claimed Cutler, too.
My current rebuilding plan hasn't exactly worked out as I hoped.
Just looking to have multiple options available for next year.
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| 111 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 02:15
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Man, my team isn't that good and my points against didn't help anything this year.
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| 112 | TB
ID: 451028614
Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 20:27
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I should have tried to move some players for draft picks a couple weeks ago. I knew I was, at best, a middle of the pack team. So anyway, going to be traveling a lot in December. The good news is no more trades, so shouldn't be an issue.
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| 113 | Challenger
ID: 35781513
Fri, Dec 02, 2011, 11:23
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Boikin picked up Riley Cooper on waivers this morning when Cooper should have been locked since he played last night.
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| 114 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Dec 02, 2011, 15:57
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I went and reversed the Cooper pickup. Not sure if we can even prevent that from happening with the Thursday games.
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| 116 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 03:12
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After looking at the options, I'm pretty sure this is not preventable with the way we have waivers set up. There is an option to lock players whose games started from being picked up by FCFS waiver or free agent moves, but neither of those covers acquiring a player who was dropped before their Thursday game and has a locked player waiver request put in.
If the player is unlocked by the commish, the system should then not allow any such requests to be put in. I'm not sure if you will understand this, but at least I do ^_^
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| 117 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 09:31
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If a player is dropped within 48 hours of his game freeze, he may not be claimed until the following week's free agent claiming process.
That's straight from the rules and hasn't changed in 5+ years, if I remember right.
In this case, we're at the end of the regular season meaning no QB, RB, or WR can be acquired after today (or Monday night for MNF players). So Cooper is a FA until 2012.
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| 118 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 19:53
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Aren't we allowed to pick up QB, RB, and WR up until next week's games?
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| 119 | Challenger
ID: 35781513
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 20:59
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Nope, you can drop them, but not pick them up.
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| 120 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Mon, Dec 05, 2011, 12:03
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I think the rule needs to be changed, I should have been able to pick up Cooper, if he had played on Sunday I would have. It was not like I did not put in the waiver claim before he played, I am not even sure why when a player is dropped you should even have to wait to pick him up they should be available immediately.
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| 121 | Challenger
ID: 35781513
Mon, Dec 05, 2011, 12:26
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because the rule states once he plays, he is frozen for the rest of the week. Just because he played on Thursday doesn't change a thing.
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| 122 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Dec 05, 2011, 14:52
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Fantasy would be much simpler if there weren't Thursday, SNF and MNF games for a few reasons. But obviously that isn't the case.
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| 123 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 01:20
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Looks like I missed the playoffs by 14 points. If only I didn't fail with picking the wrong RBs multiple times.
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| 124 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 11:20
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re:121 no he is originally he was picked up on Wednesday before he played on Thursday but was not going to be added to my team till Friday because he had not cleared waivers, do you understand my complaint? The way I see it I claimed the player before the dead line so I should have gotten him.
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| 125 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 15:55
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It's no different than claiming someone dropped on Saturday before the Sunday games. You're not going to get him, period. Why is this so hard to understand.
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| 126 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 08352621
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 22:24
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I set up the playoff brackets. Bonka and TB, please check to make sure it looks right. Or really anyone take a look. I think I have it right. The top 6 seeds were simple:
1. Beezer
2. Challenger
3. MC
4. IAC
5. skeepers (boikin)
6. Da Bomb
and the highest scoring teams from the remainder:
7. RotoGuru
8. GoatLocker (with a 9-17 record)
Toilet Bowl:
1. Leggestand
2. Snoop Dougg
3. mjd
4. Oaktown
Transactions are turned off for those four plus TB and Bonka.
Remember, no QB, RB, or WR may be picked up any longer, and any players picked up from here out are not available to be kept in 2012.
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| 127 | Challenger
ID: 35781513
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 23:11
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Playoff brackets look fine to me. We do need the waiver wire order reset.
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| 128 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 23:24
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Yeah, kind of stupid that 2 teams are completely left out of the playoffs. Top 8 teams have a shot at winning, bottom 4 teams have a shot at the 1st pick. The other 2 teams sit around doing nothing. This needs to be changed.
Could change it to something like the top scorer during the playoffs out of the bottom 3 teams gets the 1st pick and the top scorer out of teams 9-11 gets the 4th pick, that way all teams have something to do.
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| 129 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 07, 2011, 09:03
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The RIFC rule this year is that the seeding for teams 5-8 are based on points.
The teams are still selected as before (top 6 by W/L two more by points.)
Using the current RIFC rule would produce the following seeding (reverses RotoGuru and Da Bomb):
1. Beezer
2. Challenger
3. MC
4. IAC
5. skeepers (boikin)
6. RotoGuru
7. Da Bomb
8. GoatLocker
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| 130 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Wed, Dec 07, 2011, 09:54
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It's no different than claiming someone dropped on Saturday before the Sunday games. You're not going to get him, period. Why is this so hard to understand.
Not different and just as dumb, and I know I am not getting the player does that does not mean that I don't want to point out the silliness of some the rules when applied to final week player acquisitions.
As for the the two teams not making the playoffs, if you really wanted to keep playing it is not hard to make the bottom 4.
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| 131 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Dec 07, 2011, 10:52
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As for the the two teams not making the playoffs, if you really wanted to keep playing it is not hard to make the bottom 4.
Then you might have to purposely try to not win at some point in the season. My point on this all along when excluding 2 teams from post season play. I'm totally against negative incentives.
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| 132 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Dec 07, 2011, 14:41
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Purposely losing is pathetic and should never be encouraged. It's also not even so much as being able to continue playing, it's that 12 of 14 teams have a shot at something during the fantasy post season. 2 of 14 teams have no shot at winning or improving their draft slot. That doesn't seem right. Either dump the toilet bowl or expand it along the lines of what I mentioned.
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| 133 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Dec 07, 2011, 15:06
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Looks like my waver claim went through. I was going to cancel it, but since I'm supposed to be locked out, I didn't bother.
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| 134 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Dec 07, 2011, 18:42
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I'll go reverse it and lock the teams that should be.
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| 135 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Dec 07, 2011, 18:45
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Actually the teams are locked from those moves. Maybe the change was made after you initially submitted the waiver request.
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| 136 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Dec 07, 2011, 18:51
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Probably so, did it last night.
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| 137 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Dec 07, 2011, 20:34
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BOL all
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| 138 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Dec 08, 2011, 21:06
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Re: 129. This means I am playing Challenger right? Just asking because right now MFL has me playing Motley Crue.
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| 139 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Dec 08, 2011, 21:38
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[129 & 137] I just sent an email to MC and TB.
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| 140 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Dec 08, 2011, 22:39
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TB just emailed me and he said the change should have been made. So I just processed it.
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| 141 | The Beezer
ID: 521144156
Thu, Dec 15, 2011, 07:44
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I apologize for the snafu in picking up Thomas. That's what I get for making moves this early in the morning.
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| 142 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Dec 18, 2011, 19:16
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Good to see my team wake up this week. Couple weeks late.
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| 143 | TB
ID: 451028614
Sun, Dec 18, 2011, 21:35
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It's too late. I beat you in the TBonka Bowl last week. I've already ordered the trophy.
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| 144 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Mon, Dec 19, 2011, 21:51
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Congrats boikin - good luck in the finals.
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| 145 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Tue, Dec 20, 2011, 08:07
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Ah shucks! I was almost wishing that MC would be able to win this year, and thus break the tie of championships. As it stands now, it's MC with 2 championships, IAC with 2 championships, and now 1 new manager to join the group, either Chall or skeepers.
Guess this means I gotta play again next year!
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| 146 | Challenger
ID: 35781513
Sat, Dec 24, 2011, 19:51
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Congrats Boikin! Nice improvement you've made going from 12th last season to champ this year.. Also, I want to congratulate Beezer on his improvement from 13th last year to handily winning the regular season.
I'm slowing working on the final roster draft sheet and hope to have it available sometime next week.
Happy Holidays!
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| 147 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Dec 24, 2011, 23:00
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Oh, good to hear. I thought I was going to end up doing it at some point. Thanks!
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| 148 | The Beezer
ID: 0944216
Mon, Dec 26, 2011, 20:30
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While I would have liked a better finish, I am pleased to have had such a great season. Thanks to TB for commishing and to everyone for the high level of competition.
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| 149 | TB on Evo
ID: 27782314
Tue, Dec 27, 2011, 01:24
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Congrats Boikin.
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| 150 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Sustainer
ID: 01361448
Tue, Dec 27, 2011, 09:17
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Congrats Boikin!
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| 151 | GoatLocker
ID: 421182711
Tue, Dec 27, 2011, 12:08
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Congrats Boikin
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| 152 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Dec 27, 2011, 15:10
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Good jub, Boikin, congrats. Another great year of competition. Thanks for commishing, TB.
Back to the drawing board for my team.
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| 153 | Athletics Guy
ID: 05231519
Tue, Dec 27, 2011, 18:37
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Good job Boikin!
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| 154 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Dec 27, 2011, 19:55
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Congrats to the champ, Boikin.
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| 155 | leggestand
ID: 1811352814
Wed, Dec 28, 2011, 15:35
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Congrats, boikin. Huge improvement over prior year's and well deserved...I hope to be "that guy" next season.
TB, great job as commish...it's a tough league to commish!
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| 156 | TB
ID: 451028614
Wed, Dec 28, 2011, 17:15
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It's not that tough to commish, especially when Bonka is around to handle most of the problems anyway. The only difficult part is not always being around to push those last minute trades through that people need.
With that said, did we make any changes to the rules that should be updated at the site? Do we need to propose/vote on a new trade rule so they are automatically processed at the site?
Do we have any other issues or rules we need to start working on now for next season changes?
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| 157 | Doug
ID: 251102114
Thu, Dec 29, 2011, 15:53
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Congrats Boikin!
Re: Rules, did we finally get resolved the issue that if you need to give up say an 8th rounder for a certain keeper that it needs to be your original 8th rounder or better pick (even if that means moving up a round or two)... you can't trade down in 8th round and then use THAT pick as your keeper compensation?
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| 158 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 12:46
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I just want to say I owe my win to David Akers, never again will I dismiss the importance of a kicker.
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| 159 | Athletics Guy
ID: 05231519
Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 18:57
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You should take that endorsement a bit further and be the first (I think) manager to keep a kicker!
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| 160 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Thu, Jan 05, 2012, 10:36
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I might just do that since I think I picked him up as free agent.
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