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Game sites:     Football Pickoff     FireLeague Football     FanDuel     Fantasy Sports Live     Draft$treet     Daily Joust     CBS Sportsline     Fanball Commissioner     Yahoo Football     Yahoo Survival Football 0 Subject: 2012 RotoGurupie Keeper 14: Regular Season Thread Posted by: TB - [451028614] Thu, May 31, 2012, 20:21 I got a message from bounces that if we renew the league before June 10th we will save 20 bucks. It shows the cost to renew today is $69.95. That is probably the cost with the $20 discount included. We haven't purchased the league yet or transferred rosters, but here is the link for the 2012 season: http://www27.myfantasyleague.com/2012/home/14885#0 I was working on the keeper roster last year and will have to dig it out and finish it, but we have quite a while before we need to worry about getting that done. What we do need to figure out now is: 1) Do we want to continue playing this league on a site we have to pay for our move on to something like fleaflicker and probably deal with a couple small scoring changes? 2) If we are going to continue using this site, how are we going to pay for it? 3) Who is going to commish this year? I had fun commishing last year and it isn't as difficult as it first appears (especially with assistance from Bonka and Guru), but I do travel for my job and it is good to have a commish who can process last minute trades. Two more things we can/should discuss: 4) Is everyone coming back? 5) Last year we talked about making trades automatic through a poll on the site. I can't remember if we set that up. 1 TB       ID: 451028614       Thu, May 31, 2012, 20:26 1) I'd like to see us move to another site. Too many things in life cost money and while the overall cost isn't that expensive, I'm not a huge fan of the site to begin with. I use fleaflicker in a couple other leagues and I think we can configure our scoring and settings to be very similar. 2) I paid last year. Time for a new plan this year. 3) Not it. (lol) 4) For sure. Great league. 5) I am for an automated trade process, but we need to hammer out the waiting period before it is processed. Also, it would mean that teams trying to make trades within the waiting period timeline would either have to propose and accept those trades sooner or wait until the following week to get those players into their line-up. We could just make all trades automatic (as soon as accepted, players change rosters) and then have a veto process that reverses trades. 2 TB       ID: 451028614       Thu, May 31, 2012, 20:40 I just realized I copied the thread title below this one and changed it to 2012. I should have put preseason thread. Long day at work will be my excuse. 3 Doug       ID: 48142911       Thu, May 31, 2012, 21:08 1) I've NEVER been a fan of this site. I use cbssports and yahoo for my other leagues. Haven't used fleaflicker, but can't imagine it would be any worse. I really really dislike MFL. 2) I'm willing to pitch in 1/13th of whatever site we use (commish shouldn't have to pay imo). 3) Not it! FWIW I'm out of the country July 21-Aug 12 this year... but that should still be early enough to draft. 4) Yes! 5) Indifferent on this really... whatever works best in conjunction with whatever site we use, and as long as there's some reasonable process for flagging questionable trades (i.e., commish emails league whenever there's 1+ veto votes on a trade, just to get people's attention). 4 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 00:35 1. New site definitely. Agree with Doug on this completely. 2. I'd kick in for a pay site. 3. No reason that the commish could not be rotated yearly. 4. Absolutely. 5, Again, with Doug on this. 5 Guru       ID: 330592710       Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 10:07 I like MFL, but that may be because I've spent a lot of time on it. I'll go with the flow on this decision, however. If we do move to a different site, I'd like to have a commish who either has experience with that site, or at least who is willing to spend the effort to figure it out. I'm in, regardless. I can probably continue to provide backup support to the commish, but please do not count on me to be the primary commish. 6 Guru       ID: 330592710       Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 11:07 I just did a quick survey of the FleaFlicker site. It looks pretty complete for scoring. QB hits and TFL are not listed, but all other categories seem to be there. I don't see any capability for doubleheaders. There is a comment at their forum that this is something they are looking into, but no timetable was mentioned. The help pages were very limited. 7 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 19:05 1. I'm a big fan of MFL, but that's not a deal breaker for me. 2. I'd rather pay the whole fee for the site than commish. 3. See #2. 4. I'm in! 5. Agree with Doug and mjd. 8 Challenger       ID: 34382117       Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 21:09 1) I'm iffy with MFL, don't want to change because I'm use to it. But would prefer a site with more accurate live scoring, the ability to set different lineups for both games of doubleheader and links with better explanation. Other than that, I'm fine with it. :) 2) I'm in favor of kickin in and not leaving the burden on the Commish to pay 3) At this time I believe I will have the time to Commish next season 4) I'm in 5) I'm not in favor for polling on the MFL website because it forces you to vote before you can set your lineup and sometimes I just don't give a #*&@ and have no opinion one way or another and most of the time that is not available for selection. Just emailing the Commish within 24 hours if you object works for me. 9 Bonka       ID: 201341218       Sun, Jun 03, 2012, 04:28 I'm still in, can't leave the team I've assembled go to waste. I'd rather stay at MFL, I don't see any other site beating it out, but I guess too many of you can't handle using the site so oh well. I refuse to pay for any other site, so it's MFL or free for me, I see no reason to pay for an inferior service unless the price is very reasonable. Moving to some free site is probably best to keep the league running so there are no costs involved, but I don't look forward to actually using a free site. 10 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Mon, Jun 04, 2012, 16:19 Staying with MFL is fine... it's not perfect, but I've used much worse sites. Plus I'm used to it now that we and the RIFC have used it for 2 years now. Having Guru and Bonka as our resident MFL experts helps also. As far as payment goes, chasing after everyone in the league to kick in their end can be a pain. I'm with Beezer on this-given the choice of paying in full or being commish, I'd opt to just pay the entire cost. 11 TB       ID: 451028614       Mon, Jun 04, 2012, 23:52 Legge let me know via email he won't be able to participate in the league anymore so he will need to be replaced. 12 TB       ID: 451028614       Tue, Jun 05, 2012, 00:00 Confirmed in: Beezer's Heinz 57s Bonka Chall's Zabinga mjd RotoGuru Klingons Snoop Dougg TB Needs to be replaced: Leggestand Still waiting to hear from: Da Bomb Squad GoatLocker's Bums IAC's Keepers Mötley Crüe Oaktown Raiders skeepers 13 I_AM_CANADIAN       Sustainer       ID: 01361448       Tue, Jun 05, 2012, 11:55 1. I like MFL because it's the "norm" for me at the moment. Would rather not learn a new interface. 2. I'd chip in my share... (and extra if Guru is the one who's footing the bill). 3. Can't. 4. I'm in, but maybe not as active as in years past. 5. I'd like to see automated trade process. 14 Bonka       ID: 201341218       Tue, Jun 05, 2012, 13:22 By the way, MFL would be $60 if we signed up through the proper URL before June 10th. Otherwise it would be $70 before August 1st. This is using $10 off by following a link to renew. You can also get another $10 off if the person who pays for it is also paying for other leagues, as Guru probably knows with the RIFC leagues. So it could be $50 if say Guru were the one to renew (along with the RIFC leagues) before June 10th. For the extra $10 off you go to this url then access the league from the dropdown at the top. http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2011/referral?BY=fbg 15 TB       ID: 451028614       Tue, Jun 05, 2012, 19:07 I invited Judy to replace Leggestand. I've given her the short version on our keeper rules and she is very familiar with the scoring rules as a regular RIFC player. Most of us have played in leagues with her and she will fit in very well. Bonka, however you guys want to pay for the league, is good with me. Last year I paid 90 bucks because we didn't have a plan and that was the last minute price I paid in August without realizing there were referral credits. I think my league fees should be covered for a few years. If Guru is good with renewing it and having everyone else send him a 5 buck donation, that sounds like a good plan to me. Confirmed in: Beezer's Heinz 57s Bonka Chall's Zabinga IAC's Keepers mjd RotoGuru Klingons Snoop Dougg TB Replaced: Leggestand replaced with Judy Still waiting to hear from: Da Bomb Squad GoatLocker's Bums Mötley Crüe Oaktown Raiders skeepers 16 Guru       ID: 330592710       Wed, Jun 06, 2012, 10:25 I can renew the league for $50. Sounds like we have several managers who prefer to stay, several who are ambivalent, and several who hate MFL. Not sure how we break that stalemate, but as noted, if we want to get the $50 price, the deadline is this coming Sunday. I am renewing the RIFC leagues this week, and am happy to do the same for this league, subject to people eventually chipping in. (TB should get a free pass, though, since he paid it all last year.) 17 Da Bomb       Donor       ID: 487112814       Wed, Jun 06, 2012, 12:20 I'm in. Will chip in my share. 18 Judy       ID: 54203110       Wed, Jun 06, 2012, 14:43 Ditto $$$. Thanks for the invite -- this should be fun ! 19 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Wed, Jun 06, 2012, 15:13 I'll kick in and agree that TB should get a pass. I say let's go with the max MFL discount. Sure there are issues people have with it, but it's not the worst site out there and I really don't care to deal with the learning curve of a new site. At least everyone should be familiar with MFL by now. Plus no doubt someone will have issues with any site we use. Welcome Judy. 20 TB       ID: 451028614       Wed, Jun 06, 2012, 20:29 I am cool with MFL and very familiar with it. I just wasn't too keen on paying for it again. If everybody chips in, it's less than the cost of a cheap lunch. 21 Bonka       ID: 201341218       Wed, Jun 06, 2012, 22:20 Yup, everyone (except TB) just has to chip in $4 and it's covered plus an extra $2. If anyone can't spare $4 for a hobby then...well...good luck finding a cheaper one! 22 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Wed, Jun 06, 2012, 22:55 Sorry all. I've been buried. I'm in. MFL works and of course I'll kick in. Ditto on TB getting the pass. And welcome aboard Judy. 23 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 17:31 1) Stick with MFL. 2) I'll paypal Guru $4 or whatever we decide is the amount. 3) I've Commished enough for now. Somebody else should get a shot. 4) I'll play again in 2012. 5) No opinion. 24 boikin       ID: 532592112       Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 17:39 Im in, no opinion on the rest. 25 Judy       ID: 54203110       Thu, Jun 07, 2012, 20:36 I know I am new, but I have commished in MFL and would be willing to help put, but shouldn't be the main one... Once you get past the draft it kinda does itself, but it does seem like you have something tricky with the trade thing, but frankly I have seen very few trades challenged or reversed in the past... We did ask MFL to look into the two lineup thing for 2012...whether they will or not is another thought entirely... 26 Guru       ID: 330592710       Fri, Jun 08, 2012, 09:56 I'll pay for the league this weekend. 27 Bonka       ID: 201341218       Sat, Jun 09, 2012, 06:09 Going to send my $4 share via Paypal right now. For the rest of you who may not know, you can send money as a gift on Paypal, from your checking account, for free and Guru will not have any Paypal fee taken out of it. 28 Bonka       ID: 201341218       Sat, Jun 09, 2012, 06:10 Oh, that also works if you already have money in your Paypal account as well. 29 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Jun 09, 2012, 06:19 Finally got my ID reset as well. Since I'm sure we'll have problems finding someone to commish, I'll offer to do it or at least help someone else if they really want to. I'd rather not, but someone has to keep things running and I can find my way around their site normally. There's really not much to do anyways I guess, at least after the initial keeper selection is done. Also, trades should just auto process. That gives people more time to get deals done before games start that week. Not everyone values players the same either, so it's not really fair to put trades up for vote. In the extreme off chance there is obvious trade collusion then it can just be reversed and have things sorted out, even if it's right before kickoffs. 30 Guru       ID: 330592710       Sat, Jun 09, 2012, 10:15 The league has been paid for. You should be able to find it as "RotoGuru Keeper 14" Bonka - I believe Challenger also offered to commish (see post 8). At least, he said he had the time. If sending via Paypal, you can use davehall@rotoguru2.com. Other email addresses will also work, but I prefer not to post those publicly. As noted above, designate your transfer as a personal payment. $4 is sufficient. 31 Guru       ID: 330592710       Sat, Jun 09, 2012, 10:16 BTW, if you don't have (or want to use) Paypal, you can send me a check. Send me an email, and I'll provide the preferred mailing address. 32 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Sat, Jun 09, 2012, 11:34 Guru, I just sent payment via PayPal for both boikin and myself. Thank you very much for fronting the payment for the league and keeping the cost so low. Much appreciated. 33 Doug       ID: 26241416       Sat, Jun 09, 2012, 13:59 To be clear I'm still in despite the fact we're still using MFL. It's just a matter of opinion... Bonka sees other pay sites as being inferior products, I feel the exact opposite. As much as I dislike MFL and every single year run into issues with their obtuse waivers and free agency and completely unintuitive navigation and UI... it's nothing I'm going to take my ball and go home about. I enjoy this league and look forward to another season! 34 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Jun 09, 2012, 19:04 I haven't really used other pay sites, but whenever I see threads about them elsewhere, an overwhelming majority recommends MFL. Isn't CBS like 2x the cost? If MFL could improve their navigation/UI...man oh man. 35 I_AM_CANADIAN       ID: 2510512518       Mon, Jun 11, 2012, 21:31 I've recently done CBS, didn't like it, found it ridiculous it was twice the price, and offering "a lesser" product IMHO. FYI Guru, sent some funds. 36 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Tue, Jun 12, 2012, 16:57 I have finished the 2011 final rosters spreadsheet and will be sending it out to the email addy's listed on MFL. (unless otherwise given different email) I will also be sending a doc containing the final rosters as of 12/07/2011 (before the 1st waiver claims for the playoffs) for anyone who wishes to check my work. Players highlighted in red were dropped during the playoffs and are no longer on the roster. Could someone with Commish powers please add Judy along with a current email addy? Thanks! 37 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Tue, Jun 12, 2012, 17:08 Here are the players that were added during the playoffs and need to be dropped from the current roster. GoatLocker Rolando McLain Beezer Brandon Flowers Danieal Manning Motley Crue Charles Johnson Anthony Fasano Dashon Goldson Challenger Aldon Smith KJ Wright Jason Worilds Mark Anderson DJ Smith Guru Adrian Clayborn Conner Barwin IAC Amari Spievey 2012 RG Keeper 14 league Link 38 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Wed, Jun 13, 2012, 21:58 I just noticed the rosters did not transfer over to the new league. Is this normal for a keeper league? 39 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Jun 13, 2012, 22:48 Commish has to load the rosters from last year. Should be quick and painless. 40 Athletics Guy       ID: 235261522       Fri, Jun 15, 2012, 23:26 Sorry for the late reply. I will be returning for another year. I will send my payment immediately after this post. 41 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Fri, Jun 22, 2012, 09:03 Challenger, could you please send the roster spreadsheet to the e-mail address provide with my handle? Thanks. 42 TB       ID: 451028614       Fri, Jun 22, 2012, 20:31 I have the exact same name as post #37. Also, I didn't get the keeper sheet either if you emailed it. 43 Guru       ID: 330592710       Sun, Jun 24, 2012, 21:45 I never received a keeper sheet either. 44 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 15:41 Didn't get a keeper list, but did send Guru the funds. 45 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 16:35 I was waiting for Judy to be added to the league so I would have her preferred email for the league. I ended up using one I found on this site, I hope you don't mind Judy. 46 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 16:37 For anyone looking at the spreadsheet, players that were kept last year are still listed in the slot they were able to be kept in for 2011. You'll have to cut the round # in half if you want to keep them again. 47 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 16:41 The spreadsheet is a final roster for last season, not the predraft one which will be updated after keepers are announced. 48 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 16:47 Don't think we need a pre-draft spreadsheet since it's only really used so people can see what player can be kept in what round to decide their keepers. 49 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 17:14 I use it to verify the keepers were loaded into the draft properly and then update it as the draft goes along. Waiting on your time to pick gets rather boring. 50 Judy       ID: 54203110       Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 18:55 45 No problem, got the email with lists, etc. 51 Judy       ID: 54203110       Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 18:56 How much $$ do I owe? Guru shoot me an email! 52 Judy       ID: 54203110       Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 18:58 I think I will be confused by all the draft issues, but I am coachable... SS was a bit confusing with the colors and he blanks... 53 Judy       ID: 54203110       Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 19:02 I checked the MFL site and it looks like I need an invite...to replace legge 54 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 19:36 The blanks are a result of players drafted for the 2011 season and were eventually dropped or traded. Click on the tab "2011 Draft" to see what players were drafted in those spots. As far as the colors, there is a key in Column "A" (GoatLockers column) below his free agents listed below rd 24. I sent you my phone number with my last reply, feel free to call. I'm on CST time so no worries there for you. 55 Guru       ID: 330592710       Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 16:35 I've received payment from everyone except Doug & Goat. 56 TB       ID: 451028614       Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 02:11 Chall, I selected you as the commish at the site so you should be able to log in as the commish now. 57 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 01:23 Thanks TB. Judy, I sent out your invite. 58 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 00:49 I transferred the rosters over with the exception of the players listed in post # 37. Also transferred last years I/R players to active roster. Yes, that will temporarily give some teams 25 players. 59 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 01:01 Draft order: AG/Oaktown Raiders Snoop Dougg Judy GoatLocker mjd Guru Bonka TB Da Bomb IAC Motley Crue Chall Beezer boikin/skeepers This is a straight draft 60 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 01:36 I am looking at 2 different scenarios for the Keeper due date and the day the draft officially starts. First, some factors to keep in mind. Last year this draft lasted one week from the first selection. The season starts Wed, Sep 5. Also, I believe it was mention some managers would prefer one week between Keeper due date and the start of the draft. Other managers wanted to wait as long as possible to avoid selecting a keeper and then he gets injured before the draft starts. Finally, I prefer we don't go into Labor Day weekend still drafting. Scenarios: 1) Keeper due date - Wed, Aug 15 Draft starts - Wed Aug 22 Targeting ending the draft 7-8 days later, Aug 29-30 2) Keeper due date - Tue, Aug 21 Draft starts - Thurs, Aug 23 Targeting ending the draft 7-8 days later, Aug 30-31 Any thoughts? 61 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 01:55 Only need 1 or 2 days between keeper due date and the draft. See no reason to make it any longer than that. I'm fine with starting the draft on the 21st or any day after that. 62 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 09:39 The original intention of having a week between the keeper due date and the draft start was to allow for trades once all the keeper dust had settled. I don't think managers have availed themselves of that opportunity much in the history of this league, so I'm with Bonka. We can shorten that period to a day or 2 and get the draft moving and over with before Labor Way weekend. I suggest that the custom rules are updated to reflect whatever change is decided. They currently state that the 1 week period will be applied. 63 Guru       ID: 330592710       Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 09:39 I like option 2. 64 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 17:29 Option 2 works for me also. 65 TB       ID: 451028614       Thu, Jul 05, 2012, 01:09 I am good with either option, but prefer 2. 66 Judy       ID: 54203110       Thu, Jul 05, 2012, 17:52 Prefer #2. 67 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Thu, Jul 05, 2012, 19:18 Re 59 Are we sure that draft order is right? Just asking. 68 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Thu, Jul 05, 2012, 22:44 Guru, also sent money for here and G20 as one paypal payment. 69 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Thu, Jul 05, 2012, 23:21 #2 70 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 00:08 Draft order is set by standings, not playoff seeds. I don't agree with it, but last year I tried to set it based on the seedings and was informed that was wrong and no one question it then. And now that I took the time to look, here's the the league rule: G. CONSOLATION BOWL AND DRAFT ORDER A Consolation Bracket will be established for the 4 lowest ranked teams at the end of the regular season (using regular season W/L%). The teams will be seeded 1-4. In NFL Week 14, Seed 1 plays Seed 4 and Seed 2 plays Seed 3. The winners of those two games play in NFL Week 15 in the Toilet Bowl. The winner of the Toilet Bowl is awarded the first pick in the next fantasy draft. The other 13 draft positions will be slotted based on the reverse of the final regular season standings (using W/L%), with the exception that the previous season's champion will pick last in every round. The draft will maintain the same order every round throughout (it will not snake). I did go to a tie breaker with Judy and Doug. Since Legge & Doug split their games last year, I used "total points for" and Doug scored less, so he'll select before Judy. We probably should add tie breakers to the rule also. 71 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 02:53 Is that how the rules are written up? That is completely messed up. Goatlocker and Guru made the playoffs over me yet pick in front of me. How is that fair at all? 72 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 09:39 71, That is why I asked the question. First time I realized we did it that way, as I thought I was picking too high. 73 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 12:41 To make it even worse, the 9th and 10th place teams (TB and I last year) don't even get to participate in the playoffs or consolation bracket. Then they are possibly passed up (we both were) in the draft by the wild card teams. Also, Leggestand (Judy) scored the least during the regular season. The total points displayed on the main page include the playoffs. http://football27.myfantasyleague.com/2011/options?L=23872&O=31&KEY=TOTAL_POINTS&START_WEEK=1&WEEK=13 I actually think making the draft order off of total points for the regular season would be best, but we at least need to separate playoff teams from non playoff teams. 74 Judy       ID: 54203110       Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 13:26 Whoa -- ya gotta fix the playoffs so everyone plays. We do that in RIBC. You can set up plates (first round losers), and a 6 team consolation with playoffs for the first round losers there as well. You end up with a 1-14 playoff ranking for each team. Everyone needs to be in the playoffs. And most teams play the full three weeks. It keeps the "if only" going... But you would then need to decide what criteria to use for the draft: playoff ranking, total points for, standings. We would need to vote on that. 75 I_AM_CANADIAN       Sustainer       ID: 01361448       Tue, Jul 10, 2012, 10:16 Schedule Vote: Either works, but I'd prefer #1 76 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 18:56 Either schedule is good, but I prefer option #2. 77 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Thu, Jul 19, 2012, 14:53 No other comments on the 9/10th place team situation? I realize nobody probably cares unless it happens to them, but it shouldn't be able to play out this way. 78 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Thu, Jul 19, 2012, 21:13 I would like to see the rule changed to slot the draft in reverse order of the playoff rankings, with the playoff winner drafting last. 79 Judy       ID: 54203110       Fri, Jul 20, 2012, 21:51 78 Then we need to run multiple playoffs so that all teams are playoff result seeded. It is not hard to do...and more fun for those who lose early on... Championship round (8 teams - 3 rounds, with 3/4 playoff) Plate for first round losers (4 teams, 2 more rounds to determine slots 5 thru 8) Consolation (6 teams - 3 rounds to determine slots 9-14) We've done it in AAA when I was commish. Keeps everyone in the hunt a bit longer... 80 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Fri, Jul 20, 2012, 22:52 Judy, that's cool yet not exactly what I meant. My thought was to use the order of the teams (with playoff seeding tiebreakers applied) at the end of week 13. The only exceptions are the playoff winner (drafts 14th) and the Toilet Bowl winner (drafts 1st). I think the playoffs are a bit too random to use them for seeing every round the following season. I'd prefer that to no change at all, however. 81 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sat, Jul 21, 2012, 17:21 Why does the tb winner draft first. He is only the 9th best playoff team...? That's a weird reward for missing the playoffs? Seems that seeding for the following year's draft is a bone of contention...? 82 TB       ID: 451028614       Sun, Jul 22, 2012, 00:28 It is to prevent teams from tanking to get the #1 draft spot. Bonka, it does seem off that the 8 playoff teams aren't drafting last and I'd be down with changing it. I'm curious why it's never come up before. I'm sure it's had to have happened before last season. 83 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Sun, Jul 22, 2012, 09:22 I don't remember it seeing it before. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened, just that I haven't caught it. This season I was like WTFO when I saw the order, because I expected to be lower on the list than I was. I think seeding should be based on final standings modified as per #80. But, also agree we should get the other two teams into the playoffs. 84 Judy       ID: 54203110       Mon, Jul 23, 2012, 10:23 Ah... Tanking... I get it! The best of the losers gets the first pick. Then all non championship teams must be included in a playoff draw. 85 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Mon, Jul 23, 2012, 11:57 Keeper Due Date - Aug 21 11:00PM EST Draft Date - Aug 23 (clock starts 7:00AM EST, start with a 6 hr limit) AG/Oaktown Raiders Judy/Ghostwood Snoop Dougg GoatLocker mjd Guru Bonka TB Da Bomb IAC Motley Crue Chall Beezer boikin/skeepers Again, this is a straight draft. Trades from last season have been inserted. Judy and Doug were switched from my earlier post due to Bonka's post #73. Per the rules, draft slots for rounds 1 thru 5 can now be traded thru the end of the draft if you will have them open or will have them open after the declarations of your keepers. BTW, The draft order was originally suggested by GoatLocker here in our first season and later modified to include toilet bowl and championship playoff winners to select in their current slots. I will put it up for another vote after the season starts. Concerning the 2 teams not included in the playoffs: The Toilet Bowl was modified from the RIFC format for the purpose to determine whom would get the #1 draft slot, as TB points out the prevention of "tanking it". We limited it to four teams because we wanted this league to have as much parity as possible and if we included all the non championship playoffs teams there would be a chance for the team that finished #7 in the standings to be competing for the first draft slot. And yes, we realized 2 teams would not be included in the playoffs, but we as a league felt this would be acceptable in order to keep each member continually interested and active year in and year out. IIRC, our current system for determining the #1 draft slot, has only be won once by the #14 team. I believe the highest seed in the "TB" bracket has won it 3 times. Not very good odds for the lowest seeds. I would like to hear more from other members of this league before considering whether to put this up for a vote. 86 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Mon, Jul 23, 2012, 14:57 On the topic of the playoffs and Toilet Bowl configuration, I'm for keeping everything status quo. Consider me the old guard of this league. I worked hard to make it look the way I thought it should look and even though I was often overruled by democracy, I don't have any problems with the way it's currently designed. I guess I just don't see it as a problem that 2 people miss the playoffs when the alternative is... what? Allowing them, to vie for better draft position? If you miss the playoffs in the NFL, you watch them from the couch like everyone else and your draft pick is pretty much settled at the end of Game 16. We already improve on that with the Toilet Bowl. I never felt there was any injustice for teams 9 & 10 because they almost made the playoffs to begin with. If we do move forward with adding in those 2 teams to the playoff mix somehow, I am very much against expanding the size of the Championship Playoffs. 8 out of 14 already borders on excessive, IMO. I am OK with mirroring the RIFC to that extent, but I've never been a fan of NBA-style playoffs. I can't really envision any reason to allow teams 9 & 10 to compete in the Toilet Bowl either. Allowing them to compete for the #1 pick is not something I favor. To me, the balance should lean towards them sitting out. 87 Challenger       Sustainer       ID: 481126818       Mon, Jul 23, 2012, 16:22 I'll start this off with my possible keepers: Adrian Peterson (1) Ryan Matthews (2) Rob Gronkowski (5) Darren Sproles (6) DeMarco Murray (10) Desmond Bishop (12) This leaves trade options for: Dez Bryant (1) Brandon Pettigrew (24) Brent Celek (24) Laurent Robinson (24) Nate Washington (24) Elvis Dumervil (24) And don't forget Tebow!!! (24) If someone is interested in one of my RB's, I'll entertain trade talks The last 10 or so days have been criminal for my team. Peterson, Bryant, & Dumervil all arrested. Prolly have to change my team name back to the Bad Boyz. 88 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Mon, Jul 23, 2012, 16:53 I don't even care about not participating during the playoffs. I just think it's not right that I'm (as well as TB) going to be drafting behind 2 teams that were in the playoffs while I wasn't. That's just not right and should be changed prior to this year's draft imo. Granted I have a vested interest in this, but if this was brought up and I wasn't in this situation I'd still want it changed now, not later. It's honestly just not acceptable now that I know about it. 89 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Mon, Jul 23, 2012, 16:54 Oh, Goatlocker is even picking in front of mjd when he made the playoffs and mjd was in the toilet bowl running. 90 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Mon, Jul 23, 2012, 18:34 Bummer, wouldn't mind changing that rule. Probably nothing can be done about the 9, 10 situation unless the playoff teams are cut to 6. Then have the Toilet Bowl as usual and another 4 team playoff tourny. The 6 playoff teams draft 8-14th, Toilet Bowl winner picks first. Use winning percntage to determine draft slots 2-8. Top 2 teams would need to get a bye in first round with 6 playoff teams. Over half the teams making the playoffs too many? Just spitballing, a few more details would need to be worked... tiebreakers and such. 91 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Mon, Jul 23, 2012, 19:40 I don't like using win % to set any orders. You could go winless and make the playoffs with enough points for. Points for is a better indicator of team strength than record. Record is a mixture of a lot of things with a large portion of scheduling luck. 92 TB       ID: 451028614       Mon, Jul 23, 2012, 20:33 I agree with MC in post 86. 9 and 10 seeds don't need to be in the playoffs and shouldn't be competing for the toilet bowl. I agree with Bonka on the draft order as well, but don't mind the changes taking effect next season. If Guru and Goatlocker had better teams than Bonka and I did and bumped us from the playoffs, they shouldn't be drafting before us. 93 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Mon, Jul 23, 2012, 21:52 #92, you don't hear me arguing. 94 Guru       ID: 330592710       Tue, Jul 24, 2012, 11:01 How about this? The 8 playoff teams should draft in order of playoff seeding, with the playoff winner drafting last. The 6 non-playoff teams should draft based on points for, with the Toilet Bowl winner drafting first. If that were to be applied for this upcoming draft, I think it would be: 1 Oaktown Raiders 2 Leggestand/Judy 3 Doug 4 mjd 5 TB 6 Bonka 7 GoatLocker 8 Da Bomb 9 Guru 10 IAC 11 Motley Crue 12 Challenger 13 Beezer 14 skeepers 95 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Tue, Jul 24, 2012, 13:54 That sounds good. 96 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Tue, Jul 24, 2012, 17:27 I'd be OK with that. 97 The Beezer       ID: 96572318       Tue, Jul 24, 2012, 20:07 Sold! 98 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Tue, Jul 24, 2012, 22:49 Works for me 99 TB       ID: 451028614       Wed, Jul 25, 2012, 22:54 Works for me as well. I just dumped some players I for sure won't be keeping. Almost dumped a few more I am 99.9% sure I won't be keeping, but we still have some time to watch preseason games so wanted to keep some options open. As it stands now this is my keeper outlook: Keepers (2) Charles, Jamaal (3) Jackson, Fred BUF RB (4) Bush, Reggie MIA RB (20) Babin, Jason PHI DE and two of (6) Davis, Vernon SFO TE (7) Moore, Denarius OAK WR (24) Young, Titus DET WR Plan to drop (1) Jackson, DeSean PHI WR (2) Romo, Tony DAL QB (5) Williams, Mike TBB WR (12) Ford, Jacoby OAK WR (14) Jones, Taiwan OAK RB (24) Sanders, Emmanuel PIT WR (24) McCourty, Jason TEN CB (24) Burnett, Morgan GBP S Already Dropped (8) Lofton, Curtis ATL LB (9) Ruud, Barrett TEN LB (15) Barnett, Nick BUF LB (24) Scheffler, Tony DET TE (24) Novak, Nick SDC PK (24) Jenkins, Cullen PHI DT (24) Barber, Marion CHI RB (24) Ogbonnaya, Chris CLE RB (24) Ginn Jr., Ted SFO WR (24) Mikell, Quintin STL S 100 Judy       ID: 54203110       Thu, Jul 26, 2012, 06:50 Deciding keepers before training camp?? 101 TB       ID: 451028614       Thu, Jul 26, 2012, 09:51 "As it stands now this is my keeper outlook..." But sure Judy, here is your five offensive keepers declared before training camp. Let's see how dangerously wrong I am. Judy Keepers (2) Marques Colston (4) Julio Jones (5) Miles Austin (8) Marshawn Lynch (12) Cam Newton 102 Da Bomb       Donor       ID: 487112814       Thu, Jul 26, 2012, 10:00 TB, can you do mine too please? I have a couple tough decisions, but not for the good reasons. 103 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Thu, Jul 26, 2012, 15:40 Gonna say TB's list of Judy's keepers is wrong. This is already too much info for Judy, so I will say no more. 104 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Thu, Jul 26, 2012, 20:58 So we decided to do dynasty rosters last year right? No? Oh well. I'd like to swap some keeper-worthy players to upgrade my keepers or draft picks. Here are the players I am on the fence about below my definite keepers (LFitz, CJ2K, Vick, Derrick Johnson) that have value at or above their keeper slot: Michael Bush (6) Jared Allen (7) Pierre Garcon (7) D'Qwell Jackson (10) Mario Manningham (12) Eric Decker (14) Sean Witherspoon (21) Kevin Smith (24) London Fletcher (24) Shane Vereen (24) Tyvon Branch (24) 105 TB on EVO       ID: 366292620       Thu, Jul 26, 2012, 21:46 Bonka, it was a quick list I made before heading off to work. I will take a harder look at everyone's roster before I make my own decisions, but from the list I posted of hers, I think I'd be happy to draft any of them with the 3rd pick (based on my projected keepers) so I hope I am wrong. I will have to see who else is available come draft time, though. 106 TB       ID: 451028614       Thu, Jul 26, 2012, 22:24 Da Bomb - lol @asking me. I am obviously terrible. I think you have 6 offensive keepers I like: (2) Manning (4) Smith (7) McGahee (12) Lloyd (22) Williams (24) Cruz I'd probably dump Manning though, because you should have the 7th overall pick with that spot and there is some decent QB depth available. You'd have picks in rounds 1-3, which would make you one of only two people to have that unless the other one decides to keep a 3rd round player. But yeah, just having some football chat after a few beers and I suck at fantasy football so take my words with grain or two of salt. 107 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Jul 27, 2012, 01:16 My list for Judy is only 1 player different, didn't mean to come across as saying you're an idiot or something, my bad. 108 TB       ID: 451028614       Fri, Jul 27, 2012, 06:12 If it is Mendenhall, then we just happen to disagree on his keeper value. Maybe in my old age I am like Al Davis and just try to win even though I have a terrible roster. Hard with limited keeper slots for me to think about keeping an injured player. I've re-looked and who I listed is exactly who I would keep if I was Judy and had to decide today. The only RB I have rated better than Lynch who will be available will be rookies and and is an 8th round keeper so great value. I fully expect both of those rookie RB to be gone with the first two picks. I don't project any receivers better than hers to be available and that includes if Dez Bryant and Percy Harvin end up being cut and with Demaryius Thomas as a free agent, I also see Guru will dump Reggie Wayne this year and finally get a draft pick in the 5th round. In a redraft league, he's maybe the 30th best WR. In this league, that means he will be redrafted prior to the 5th round due to the amount of keepers. FWIW, this is her first year in this league so I do think she'd appreciate any feedback. I know I appreciate any discussion, even though we are "competing" against each other. We spend so much time planning our strategies and not enough time talking about fantasy football these days. It isn't as fun as it used to be. 109 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Jul 27, 2012, 17:34 I feel like if I give any hints as to who I had on my list, it would be too much good info for Judy, so sadly I must refrain :) 110 Judy       ID: 54203110       Fri, Jul 27, 2012, 18:03 Sheesh -- don't get back on the thread/ipad for a day or so and folks are being so helpful already. I haven't even set up my league folder! Plus the Olympics are on!!! 101 is pretty close -- don't like cowgirls though...lynch is a bad boy -- gotta see what the commish decides to do -- latest from lynch is a real trial to prove guilt...could take some time.. I do agree it is easier to keep six than nine though. If there is a cowgirl fan out there, shoot me an offer of some sort.. Once I get close to a final list I will ask someone what it does to my draft pick order as I am still a bit confused there. Don't try to explain it now, please wait until I make my selections and then someone can tell me what my draft looks like! Ok? 111 TB       ID: 451028614       Fri, Jul 27, 2012, 22:32 Is it weird that I pictured Judy wearing a big cowboy hat when she made that last post? ;) 112 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sat, Jul 28, 2012, 07:45 Not a chance TB! No boots either... Getting some feelers for Austin. If you are interested please send me an email by, say, the end of the week? Also if you understand the draft implications, tell me where I would draft your trade offer guy... 113 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Jul 28, 2012, 18:17 I heard Judy has been training to go try out to be a Cowboy cheerleader. 114 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sat, Jul 28, 2012, 22:40 Nah, I played field hockey in the fall season... 115 I_AM_CANADIAN       ID: 2510512518       Mon, Jul 30, 2012, 16:02 Sorry if I missed out on it... was there a keeper list sent out? 116 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Mon, Jul 30, 2012, 16:55 nah -- everybody is just jumping the gun since training camp opened and the pHillies stink... 117 Athletics Guy       ID: 26741218       Thu, Aug 02, 2012, 19:41 I would like to trade for a RB. If anyone is interested, let me know... 118 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Thu, Aug 02, 2012, 21:47 IAC, I just sent you the spreadsheet at your gmail address: firstname.lastname@gmail.com 119 Guru       ID: 330592710       Fri, Aug 03, 2012, 13:28 Haven't extensively scouted or studied my options yet, but I do have a few guys who could be tradeable: (1) Frank Gore (RB) (1) Reggie Wayne (WR) (14) Kendall Hunter (RB) (20) Alex Smith (QB) (23) Matt Flynn (QB) Unless a trade can be arranged, I'll keep Gore. That trade could be for a player or a pick. I'll drop Wayne unless a trade is arranged. I know that his #1 draft pick makes him a tough sell, but if someone has a bunch of picks jammed up at the beginning, maybe something can work. (Ditto for Gore) Roddy White, Ray Rice, Aaron Rodgers, and Jimmy Graham are definite keepers. Gore would likely be my 5th offensive keeper unless a trade is arranged. 120 Da Bomb       Donor       ID: 487112814       Fri, Aug 03, 2012, 21:07 I'd like to trade for an established RB. Right now I'll be keeping 3 WR so I can use one of them as bait. (I do agree with TB in that these are my best options): (2) Peyton Manning (4) Steve Smith, Carolina (7) Willis McGahee (12) Brandon Lloyd (22) Ryan Williams (24) Victor Cruz 121 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Aug 04, 2012, 01:34 I have 3 RBs I could trade at the moment. (4) Jonathan Stewart (12) Peyton Hillis (24) CJ Spiller I haven't looked, but I'd imagine that's some of the best RB value you'll find available for trade. 122 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 08, 2012, 00:51 I have Nicks or Wallace to trade for a RB. Either one will cost you a 6th rounder to keep. 123 I_AM_CANADIAN       Sustainer       ID: 01361448       Wed, Aug 08, 2012, 11:19 My "tentative" list (subject to change): Steven Jackson (1) Darren McFadden (7) Jordy Nelson (13) Vincent Jackson (24) BenJarvus Green-Ellis (24) Navorro Bowman(24) Guys that are available for trade: Jason Witten (2) Paul Posluszny (12) David Harris (24) David Hawthorne (24) Javier Arenas (24) 124 TB       ID: 451028614       Wed, Aug 08, 2012, 22:04 IAC, make Darren McFadden available for trade. Also, I just read Challengers email. Serious bummer. We need a replacement and I can't be commish. I am going to Florida 23-31 Aug and am already stressed about trying to juggle 2 slow drafts and one live draft while on vacation. Need to know who is going to be commish and they might need replacement suggestions. 125 TB       ID: 451028614       Wed, Aug 08, 2012, 22:07 Also, Darren McFadden is a 3rd round keeper. Witten is a 1st, Jackson and Green-Ellis are 12th, and Poz is a 6th. 126 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Aug 08, 2012, 22:45 Damn Canadians always trying to cheat. As for Challenger leaving us, I said previously I'd handle the commish duties if need be and I guess that is now needed. So unless someone else decides they want to do it, I guess I'm it. I'd prefer not having to look for a replacement though. I'm sure one of the 12 other current owners has someone who would be interested? 127 I_AM_CANADIAN       ID: 2510512518       Wed, Aug 08, 2012, 23:08 RE: 125/126... I did say subject to change right? ;) I just started looking at things, didn't realize who had previously been kept... that's good to know. 128 TB       ID: 451028614       Thu, Aug 09, 2012, 23:21 Bonka, just made you commish. As far as a replacement goes: Wiggs, Frick, and Holt are all longtime players of this format and we've all been in leagues with them. If any of them were interested in joining those are all quick and easy decisions. 129 TB       ID: 451028614       Thu, Aug 09, 2012, 23:33 I shot an email to all three of them as well so hopefully one of them wants to join. 130 wiggs       ID: 40601413       Thu, Aug 09, 2012, 23:35 I just got the email. I would love to join the league 131 wiggs       ID: 40601413       Thu, Aug 09, 2012, 23:35 my email 132 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Thu, Aug 09, 2012, 23:42 Did wiggs respond first? Not sure if anyone emailed you TB. Can get whoever was first set up tomorrow, or whenever I found out who that was. 133 TB       ID: 451028614       Thu, Aug 09, 2012, 23:46 Thanks for the quick reply. I added your name and email addy to that team and then clicked the button to send you (everyone) the league home page and password. Turns out that just sends people the link to change the password. I'll change the password myself and email it to you. 134 TB       ID: 451028614       Thu, Aug 09, 2012, 23:51 Wiggs replied within minutes of my email. I've changed the password and emailed it to him so he should be good to go. 135 wiggs       ID: 40601413       Thu, Aug 09, 2012, 23:52 Is there a place where I can see the rules for the league as well as me roster? 136 TB       ID: 451028614       Fri, Aug 10, 2012, 02:33 Reports - Rules - League Scoring and League Bylaws We tend to adopt all RIFC rules changes seeing how most of us play those leagues as well. It's good to keep the same rules for both leagues. We do have one IR spot in this league and you get to keep a maximum of 6 keepers. Make sure you read the keeper rules below. I'll email you a sheet that shows the rosters and their keeper values. Here are the Bylaws: A. KEEPER RULES Managers may keep up to 6 players each season from the previous year's roster. If 6 players are kept, at least 1 must be an IDP. There is no minimum number of keepers. Only players on a manager's roster at the end of NFL Week 13 and who remain on that roster throughout the playoffs are eligible to be kept the following season. Keepers must be declared either at the RotoGuru Message Forum in the appropriate thread or by e-mailing the commissioner. The deadline for these declarations shall be one week before the official start of the draft. An exact date for this will be stipulated each season and the Commissioner will notify managers in advance. Each player chosen in Year X and kept in subsequent years will require a manager to forfeit a draft pick in the corresponding Year-X-draft-round the player was chosen in for the year X+1 draft. Beginning in year X+2, keeping the same player will result in the loss of a pick corresponding to the pick from Year X divided in half, rounded down to the nearest whole number. This division and rounding shall apply each subsequent year (X+3, X+4, etc) until keeping a player requires forfeiting a first round pick every year. If there are two or more players that achieve first round keeper status, they may be kept in exchange for forfeiting the same number of picks at the front of the draft. Keep 3 first round players, forfeit the first 3 picks. Keep 5, forfeit the first 5 picks. If two players on the same fantasy team are drafted in the same round and then kept, one of them counts as the next lowest (numerically) draft pick in the subsequent draft. If three players on the same team require forfeiture of equal draft rounds to be kept, the owner forfeits that round's pick, plus the two picks from the straddling rounds. Players that are traded maintain their draft spot for the purposes of determining keeper status, unless they are subsequently waived. All players who are waived automatically garner 'undrafted' status. For the purposes of assigning them a keeper round the following year, it would be as if they were never drafted, even if the same manager re-acquires the player. There are two exceptions: 1. If a manager waives a player and then reacquires the same player by waivers in the same NFL week (i.e., Week 1, Week 2, etc.), the player shall maintain the same keeper round status (i.e. where he was drafted in the current fantasy season) he had before being waived. 2. Any player who is placed on fantasy IR shall maintain his keeper round status even if he is waived by his fantasy manager. A player placed on NFL IR maintains the status of the draft round in which he was chosen in the draft immediately prior to that season (undrafted players placed on NFL IR maintain 24th round keeper status the next year). Undrafted players may be kept with the 24th round pick in the subsequent draft. Changes to the keeper rules will only be affected if at least 75% of the league votes in favor of the change. 75% of 14 requires at least 11 managers in favor. B. UNLISTED PLAYERS During the draft, any player may be drafted, regardless of whether or not the player is listed at the hosting game site. Once the draft is completed, unlisted players may not be added to any roster. This applies for any post-draft waiver processing as well. In the event that a drafted player is not listed after the draft has completed, a placeholder player will be assigned to the drafting team, to be replaced by the drafted player as soon as he is available. C. PRIORITY CLAIMING All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at noon on Wednesday. Following the first 6 weeks of the season, the priorities will reset weekly based on the reverse of W/L percentage. After that, priorities will not be reset. Throughout the season, when a player is claimed (either via "free agent priority claim" or a waiver claim), the claiming team moves to the end of the claiming priority list. Following the final regular season game, priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded. Starting at 1:00pm ET on Wednesday, all free agents may be picked up by any team "first come, first served" without any change in priority status. Immediately following the draft, undrafted players will be subject to a priority claiming process, with priorities equal to the reverse of the first round draft order. When a player is dropped from a roster, the player will go on waivers for 48 hours. At the end of the 48 hour period, if any team has placed a claim on the player, the team with the highest claiming priority will receive the player. If no claims are submitted, the player becomes a free agent at that time. If a player is dropped within 48 hours of his game freeze, he may not be claimed until the following week's free agent claiming process. Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player. D. SCHEDULE 13 week round robin Doubleheaders all weeks 1-13 (play each team twice) Single elimination playoffs, weeks 14-16 E. TRADES AND TRADE DEADLINE During the draft, trades may include draft picks. Trades will normally be approved immediately by the Commissioner, assuming they are reasonably balanced. If league managers believe an announced trade is unbalanced, they should protest the trade ASAP. Trading for future draft picks is allowed at any time, with the following limitations: 1. Draft picks in rounds 1 through 5 may only be traded beginning 1 month prior to keeper declarations and during the draft itself each summer. 2. Managers may accumulate as many draft picks as they wish; however no fantasy team shall have more than 24 players on its active roster at any time. After the draft, trades will be subject to a review period. For the first 24 hours following a trade, managers may protest a trade by posting a message at the RotoGuru forum, or by sending an email to the Commissioner. If at least 3 managers protest a trade within 24 hours of its announcement, then all managers will be polled within the next 24 hours. If seven or more managers vote to veto a trade, then it will not be approved. If a proposed trade is announced less than 24 hours before the earliest freeze for any player involved, then the entire trade will not be processed until the following week. If a trade does not receive at least 3 protests, then it will be effective 24 hours after it is announced. If a trade receives at least 3 protests but the protests are not upheld in a full league vote, then the trade will be processed 48 hours after it is announced. The trade deadline is 12 noon EST on the day before the first game of NFL Week 13. Trading is not allowed after the deadline until the Fantasy Playoffs have ended at the conclusion of NFL Week 16. Any trades agreed on by two managers outside of this time period ("trade moratorium") will be eligible for league review and commissioner approval. This includes trades made during the NFL off season. In the event the NFL changes its schedule whether to increase or reduce the number of games, or due to unforeseen circumstances (weather, etc), this trade moratorium may be modified. F. PLAYOFFS 8 teams Top 6 W/L records are seeded 1-6 Top remaining total points are seeded 7-8 Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on head-to-head first, then total points Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round) If a playoff game ends in a tie score, the team with the better seed shall advance. Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later. Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable. Teams which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket. G. CONSOLATION BOWL AND DRAFT ORDER A Consolation Bracket will be established for the 4 lowest ranked teams at the end of the regular season (using regular season W/L%). The teams will be seeded 1-4. In NFL Week 14, Seed 1 plays Seed 4 and Seed 2 plays Seed 3. The winners of those two games play in NFL Week 15 in the Toilet Bowl. The winner of the Toilet Bowl is awarded the first pick in the next fantasy draft. The other 13 draft positions will be slotted based on the reverse of the final regular season standings (using W/L%), with the exception that the previous season's champion will pick last in every round. The draft will maintain the same order every round throughout (it will not snake). H. MISCELLANEOUS 1. Players who are not eligible to play in the current NFL year, or who are under contract or obligation to non-NFL professional or collegiate football teams, may not be added to fantasy rosters. Players who have at one time been drafted or under contract in the NFL are exempt from this restriction . 2. Each team may have up to one player placed on Injured Reserve (IR), and this designation will only be available for players placed on the NFL's IR list. A player on IR may be kept the following season, but the player will (a) count as one of the maximum keepers allowed per the rules (currently 6) and (b) maintain his appropriate keeper draft round, whether he is subsequently waived or not. If a team places a player on IR, that team now has an extra roster spot available. Any additional players on the NFL's IR list will take up bench positions. Any manager wishing to utilize an IR spot shall inform the commissioner via e-mail and/or at the RotoGuru message forum in the appropriate thread. Players acquired during the playoffs (anytime after the final game of NFL Week 13) are not eligible for IR. 3. Retroactive scoring changes will be allowed if submitted to the Commissioner up until 5 minutes before the kickoff of the 1st game of the following NFL week. Retroactive scoring changes are to be verified by the Commissioner before being implemented. League scoring rules: RULES FOR QB, RB, WR, TE, PK, DT, DE, LB, CB, S Event Range (Low-High) Points Number of Passing TDs 0-10 4 points each Passing Yards -50-999 .04 point for every 1 Pass Interceptions Thrown 0-10 -2 points each Passing 2 Pointers 0-10 1 point each Number of Rushing TDs 0-10 6 points each Rushing Yards -50-999 .1 point for every 1 Rushing 2 Pointers 0-10 2 points each Number of Receiving TDs 0-10 6 points each Receiving Yards -50-999 .1 point for every 1 Receiving 2 Pointers 0-10 2 points each Length of Field Goal Made 0-39 3 Length of Field Goal Made 40-49 4 Length of Field Goal Made 50-99 5 Length of Missed Field Goal 0-29 -1 Length of Missed Field Goal 30-99 0 Extra Points 0-100 1 point each Extra Points Missed 0-10 -1 point each Punt Return Yards -50-999 .1 point for every 1 Kickoff Return Yards -50-999 .04 point for every 1 Fumbles Lost (to Opponent) 0-10 -2 points each Number of Defensive & Special Teams TDs 0-10 6 points each RULES FOR DT, DE, LB, CB, S, QB, RB, WR, TE, PK Event Range (Low-High) Points Fumble Recoveries (from Opponent) 0-99 2 points each Forced Fumbles 0-99 2 points each Interceptions Caught 0-99 3 points each Passes Defensed 0-99 1 point each Blocked Field Goals 0-99 2 points each Blocked Punts 0-99 2 points each Blocked Extra Points 0-99 2 points each Tackles 0-99 1 point each Assists 0-99 0.5 points each Sacked a QB 0-99 1 point each Quarterback Hits 0-99 1 point each Tackles for a Loss 0-99 2 points each Safeties 0-99 3 points each 137 wiggs       ID: 40601413       Fri, Aug 10, 2012, 14:42 willing to move Grok if anyone is looking for TE help. 138 wiggs       ID: 40601413       Fri, Aug 10, 2012, 14:45 is there a place where i can see the draft from last season so I know where players would have to be kept? 139 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 10, 2012, 14:54 It should be on a tab in the spreadsheet, unless you didn't get that. http://football27.myfantasyleague.com/2011/options?L=23872&O=17 140 wiggs       ID: 40601413       Fri, Aug 10, 2012, 14:56 I dont know if I didnt get that, or just didnt know where to find it, but thank you 141 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 10, 2012, 15:12 I updated the draft order to reflect post 94. 142 TB       ID: 451028614       Fri, Aug 10, 2012, 16:56 Wiggs, I sent you an excel file that shows the keeper value for every player in the league. 143 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 10, 2012, 17:01 Does that spreadsheet factor in players who were kept the previous year? The one that was sent out earlier had the players marked as being kept before but didn't actually move them to the correct round. 144 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 11:50 Some big doings in the RIFC. We need to decide if we're going to make these same changes. First, they are going to move to blind bidding for weekly waivers. I'm OK with it, but I have some seen some pretty strenuous objections to it previously. The rules which carried the vote: --All non-rostered players will be subject to a single weekly blind bidding waiver period, processing at noon on Wednesday. After this, all free agents will be available first come, first served, with no lockout for players dropped. --$100 bidding budget per team. --Blind bidding will continue throughout the playoffs. Unused bid balances will be carried forward from the regular season. In addition, each playoff team will receive an additional budget allocation equal to $2 times the seed value. They also opened up the playoff roster positional add restrictions so that there are essentially none for teams in the playoffs. You can now pick up players from any position. This would impact us slightly differently than it will RIFC because we're a keeper league. Remember, you can't keep players you pick up during the playoffs. I think it probably harms playoff teams a little more than the status quo. In order to stay competitive there will be strong motivation to pick up players at all positions. This could lead to poorer available keepers when you drop more keeper-eligible players. I like the removal of lockout after players are dropped. It prevents roster cycling to block managers from picking up players on waivers. 145 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 12:08 The blind bid waivers are really better than normal waivers. Obviously I want to use them here since I was fighting for them in RIFC. The new setup makes waivers so much simpler with no players locking. Not having to worry about keeping your top waiver slot for THE pickup is always nice as well. It's the same as keeping your whole $100 for that one player, but $100 bids aren't very common. Just another level of strategy while keeping waivers fair for everyone. 146 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 13:34 I too support these changes. I agree with MC that this will lead to some interesting tradeoffs for playoff teams. All the better from my perspective. 147 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 13:44 da Bomb [120], I sent you an e-mail the other day. Let me know if you didn't get it. 148 boikin       ID: 532592112       Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 15:00 Since this is a keeper league, I think you should be able to carry over leftover bid amounts. 149 Da Bomb       Donor       ID: 487112814       Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 15:23 Re 147: I was going to ask if you received my reply... Just e-mailed you again now. 150 wiggs       ID: 40601413       Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 17:03 Can you explain to me exactly how the blind bidding system works, I have never used it before 151 Doug       ID: 277581119       Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 20:58 Been on vacation last few weeks. Returning to United States tomorrow. I did not receive the spreadsheet due to email problems on my end. Can someone resend. After that I will probably be interested in looking at some trades. Look forward to playing FF with you all again soon! 152 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 21:30 RE: blind bidding I'm not sure if these specific questions were asked in the RIFC thread or not, but what if say you need a TE for a bye week and you put in bids on multiple players and win them all. Do I get stuck with 3 bye week TEs when I only want one? This is easily avoided when setting up waver claims that we've used in the past. Do you have to declare which player you are dropping when placing the blind bid in case you win the bid? I might have more questions on this depending on the answer. 153 The Beezer       ID: 96572318       Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 22:29 mjd: You can make your bids conditional to avoid that situation. The help center at MFL has a lot of good detail on the process that I recommend everyone read. 154 TB       ID: 451028614       Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 00:04 And you are not allowed to pick up players beyond the roster limits. Just like in regular bidding you make a claim: Drop player A to pick up player B Drop player A to pick up player C Drop player A to pick up player D Drop player A to pick up player E Once you get one of those claims by dropping player A, the rest of those claims are invalid. Leftover bids carrying over - My initial instinct is to say no. It is a season waiver claiming process. No reason it should carry over to the next season. Our current waiver order goes away once we have a new season. 155 TB       ID: 451028614       Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 00:30 Bonka - I just sent the sheet that I sent to Wiggs to everyone. If anyone didn't get it, shoot me an email at TBRaiders at gmail.com and I will send it out. Also, let me know if you think you see any errors. 156 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 22:25 da Bomb [149], I still haven't seen anything from you. Try sending to this address. 157 Da Bomb       Donor       ID: 487112814       Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 23:45 email sent 158 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 21:32 Did we ever change the rules to ban keeping players accumulated via trade if the draft pick was already spoken for? For example, if I elect to keep MJD (1st round keeper) and then I trade Beezer for Chris Johnson (also a 1), can I keep both by sacrificing my picks 1 & 2? 159 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 21:45 See no reason to do that. Makes more sense to just not allow teams to stack any player in the same round, rather than just targeting ones you trade for. But we've been over this in the past and nothing ever came of it. 160 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 22:47 So did we change the rule or not? If I executed that hypothetical trade, could I keep both? I liked the rules better when I was Commissioner. They were all published and stuff. 161 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 02:20 Pretty sure we never even came to a conclusion on it? That or we decided not to change it. Don't think the rules have really changed and you can see them on the league site http://football27.myfantasyleague.com/2012/options?L=14885&O=26 Probably need to take a look at them to make sure they're current. 162 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 02:37 Looking over the rules that were posted, I thought of two things that need to be finalized. There could be more but I either forgot them or didn't notice. First, the blind bidding situation after RIFC adopted it. Are we using it, and what changes may need to be made to better adapt it to a keeper league? Second, trades being processed automatically rather than being put up to vote. I'm pretty sure we discussed this and we decided this is how it should work? It's much easier to just let trades process and not have the waiting period. If a trade is THAT bad, then we can always do things retroactively, but I feel that if you trust someone to be in your league they should be able to trade as they please and there be no trade vetoing. I did change the wording to reflect the current draft order. We had nobody speak out against changing how we handled setting up the draft order based on last year's results to make sure all playoff teams drafted after non playoff teams. We didn't actually take a vote on it, though. So now would be the time to speak up if you have an issue with it and we can bring it to a vote if need be, but I'm assuming the majority, if not all, are ok with it. Here is the new wording: Draft slot 1 will be the winner of the Toilet Bowl. Draft slots 2 through 6 will be comprised of non playoff teams sorted by reverse of the previous regular season's points for total. Draft slots 7 through 13 will be comprised of playoff teams sorted by the reverse of the previous season's playoff seeding. Draft slot 14 will be the winner of the previous season's playoff. 163 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 02:39 Oh yeah, Third, did we ever come to a conclusion on the multiple players kept in the same round by using lower draft picks (ex. two 1st round players kept via 1st and 2nd round picks)? 164 TB       ID: 451028614       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 03:55 Bonka, we talked about it but we never voted to change it. It's been happening for multiple seasons now. MC - what rules are not posted? Every current rule is posted. You guys are discussing rules that haven't been approved so not sure what you think should be posted about them. 165 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 07:40 That's not the exact issue I was referring to guys. There was a discussion about how you must use your own pick in a round to keep a player in that round. I believe that rule was implemented by TB fiat early last season. Even if I'm wrong, there was certainly a chilling effect on making the kinds of trades I asked about in post [158] above based on some things TB said. 166 Doug       ID: 34844117       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 10:02 Must use your own pick OR a better pick (i.e., earlier in same round as what your pick was, or in the next round prior, etc.) Basically if you want to use your 10th rounder, and your slot is 10.2, you can use any pick from 1.1 through 10.2 to keep that player. You can't trade down for like 10.10 and then use THAT pick to keep your player. That's always been my understanding and seems most intuitive to me. Use your pick or something better. 167 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 12:21 MC's example was bad then I guess, because you can do what he mentioned currently. If the example was that they were both in round 10 rather than 1, then you would need to use any pick in round 9 and your (or a better) pick in round 10. I see nothing wrong with the example you gave, given the current rules. 168 Doug       ID: 34844117       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 12:53 Yeah, there's always been an exception at the "top" of the draft where if you have say 4 guys who would all cost a first rounder, then you just use your first 4 round picks to keep them, IIRC. 169 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 15:48 HUH? Scenario (not mine, but I am still trying to understand): I have 2 guys in draft slot 1 that I want to keep -- tom and jerry I have 1 guy in slot 2 that I want to keep -- sam My round 3 slot is blank -- no one there, no one moving in. So to keep all three guys, I "use/fill" draft slots 1, 2, and 3, and my drafting begins at #4. Am I getting it? 170 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 15:49 Doug [166] Must use your own pick OR a better pick (i.e., earlier in same round as what your pick was, or in the next round prior, etc.) That's not what the rules say: Each player chosen in Year X and kept in subsequent years will require a manager to forfeit a draft pick in the corresponding Year-X-draft-round the player was chosen in for the year X+1 draft. Anyway, I am not trying to change anything, merely to account for the changes made already. The rules should be updated. 171 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 16:03 Yes Judy. And I can easily update the rules but need to make sure we actually decided to change the rule previously. It would have to be buried in last year's thread somewhere and I honestly don't feel like looking for it right now. 172 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 16:35 We didn't decide. It was decided. I remember it. Look for a TB post towards the end of the preseason. 173 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 16:38 I'll look for it later if I remember. Also, nobody interested in my RBs I guess? (4) Jonathan Stewart (12) Peyton Hillis (24) CJ Spiller Possibly a TE as well. (6) Jermichael Finley 174 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 17:42 Oh man Judy, Eagles homer. Trade isn't bad, but don't like it for you at all. Cam in the 12th and the #1 overall pick is too much to give up. 175 Judy       ID: 54203110       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 17:49 It's OK Bonk...this 6 keeper limit is hard! 176 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 18:06 I have 7 offensive players I want to keep :( 177 Judy       ID: 54203110       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 18:17 See? Besides you know I dislike cowgirls... 178 Athletics Guy       ID: 26741218       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 18:18 I'm still looking to trade for either a RB or an IDP keeper. 179 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 19:44 Where can that trade be viewed? I still have WRs Nicks and Wallace for trade. Both are a 6th rounder this year. And any IDP for a minor pick upgrade. 180 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 19:50 It's on the league site under polls. We should just set it so trades go through instantly. 181 Judy       ID: 54203110       Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 22:24 Crumbs It looks like I messed up with the trade. The player swap is fine in itself, but I did not think through/understand the trade implications, and I really lose on that.. Oh, we'll live and learn I guess. Wish I could take if back. 182 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 00:08 Yeah, I'm interested to hear what Athletics Guy has to say about this trade. Here's what I think: it's unbalanced as hell. Every player has a value based on his scoring potential, and under that concept Newton is roughly equal to Brady and Maclin is roughly equal to Austin IMO. But Newton's value is increased significantly because he requires only a 12th round pick to keep, while Brady requires forfeiting a 1st round pick. So Judy gave up Newton + 1st round pick for Tom Brady (and ability to pick in round 12). Maclin for Austin is a wash. Are we going to allow a new owner to harm the franchise being taken over? I have a great interest in this league being balanced and owners making decisions that should be able to be supported as somehow helping their teams. I don't think this trade help's Judy's team at all. 183 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 00:35 Owners should be allowed to handle their teams as they please. The trade based on players alone isn't imbalanced. Not everyone values players equally, otherwise trades would never happen. Good example is Maclin vs Austin for Judy. Obviously she favors Maclin as an Eagles fan. Nothing wrong with that, it's fantasy football. I don't like other owners having input on trades they aren't involved in really. It's also not as if Judy is trading Newton for Tebow and then ditching the team. We don't try overturn draft picks for teams who you feel made a bad pick, so why do it with trades that aren't obvious collusion? If balance is such a big issue, the rule that allows teams to keep multiple 1st round picks would not be in place. Currently there is one team I notice that has pretty weak keepers while some others are pretty loaded with 1st rounders. That could have happened via bad drafting, bad trades, or just plain old bad luck. It happens, no need to tell people how to run their team. 184 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 00:53 Still trying to find the trade, but can't find Polls. Some help please. 185 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 01:01 OK, I figured it out. 186 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 01:07 http://football27.myfantasyleague.com/2012/options?L=14885&O=69 That's the link to the poll on the league site. You can opt to get emails when new polls are put up, which you should enable. It's in the franchise contact setup with the rest of the email options. 187 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 08:15 Yeah it's the draft implications of the trade that are bad. The swapped players are reasonable. I am hosed...if it stands....it took me a while to understand how it works and but then I really did not understand. I am not normally that stupid. 188 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 10:33 Likely keeper list unless I get an unexpected trade offer: Larry Fitzgerald (1) Chris Johnson (1) Michael Vick (12) Eric Decker (14) Kevin Smith (24) Derrick Johnson (24) 189 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 11:52 Wouldn't Vick be round 6? 190 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 12:04 Vick was kept in the 23rd (24th) round last year, so he's a 12th now. 191 The Beezer       ID: 96572318       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 12:11 The gift that keeps on giving! 192 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 12:15 OK, now I'm really confused. I thought the Reds were keepers and you gave up half of where they show on the spreadsheet. Is it that you give up where they are at now, and the same with any players in black 193 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 12:52 The spreadsheet shows everyone where they actually are for the upcoming draft. No further calculations are required. Mr. TB made it very simple for us. 194 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 13:01 OK, thanks MC. I got it wrong last season and would have done things different. 195 Doug       ID: 387141814       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 15:14 Apologies... was trying to login as Oaktown Raiders and password was resent. I'm the Raiders in a few other leagues. Realized my mistake and logged in as Snoop Dougg. 196 Doug       ID: 387141814       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 15:16 Anyone looking for IDPs... Laurinatis (round 12) is available. 197 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 15:27 Do we enter keepers on the league site (if so where?0 or does the commish? 198 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 15:46 Just post them here and I'll take care of them on the league site for everyone. 199 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 20:37 Judy Keepers: Brady Lynch Mendenhall Colston Julio Maclin Cushing 200 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 21:00 Just noticed the draft starts on the 23rd, which means we'll be drafting during week 3 preseason games. That's not really ideal. This draft doesn't take as long since it's essentially 6 rounds shorter than RIFC drafts. We could start it on the 26th or 27th when most or all of the week's games are over. I'm not sure if the majority would want to do this, but it does make sense to not draft during week 3 of the preseason if we can avoid it. We'd have plenty of time to get the draft done before the season begins. 201 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 21:06 I agree 100% on waiting 202 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 22:07 Judy, you listed 6 offensive keepers, can only keep 5. 203 TB       ID: 451028614       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 22:13 Was the A's guy and Judy trade just players or were draft picks traded too? 204 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 22:14 Oops drop mendenhall will post list when I get to computer 205 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 22:15 No picks -- I lost them all by myself... 206 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 22:17 No need to post again Judy, I got it. Also figured Mendy would be the one gone. 207 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 22:41 IDP FIRE SALE! EVERYTHING MUST GO! Looking to trade. I have some value IDP keepers: Lardarius Webb (15) Von Miller (17) Jason Pierre-Paul (18) Please offer me a swap of picks either 1 round earlier in rounds 5-10; 2 rounds earlier in rounds 11-16; or 3 rounds earlier in rounds 17-24. 208 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 22:46 Judy Keepers: Brady Lynch Colston Julio Maclin Cushing 209 Guru       ID: 330592710       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 08:02 Trade with Doug: I get Laurinitis in return for Heyward-Bey No picks involved. 210 Guru       ID: 330592710       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 08:22 Keepers: (1) Aaron Rodgers (1) Frank Gore (1) Roddy White (1) Ray Rice (6) Jimmy Graham (12) James Laurinitis 211 wiggs       Leader       ID: 04991311       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 10:37 Keepers- Please confirm I did these correctly. 1) AP 2) Matthews 5) Gronk 6) Sproiles 12) Murray 14) Desmond Bishop 212 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 11:29 Bishop would require a 12th round pick, Murray is 10th round. 213 wiggs       ID: 1768158       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 11:40 Ok I will still keep them in those rounds thanks 214 Doug       ID: 34844117       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 16:21 Still working on / considering a couple trade offers, but for now: (1) A Foster (12) P Hillis (21) D Heyward-Bey (22) G Wilson (23) L Timmons (24) A Collie 215 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 16:28 Think I'm set for keepers once these trades go through. (1) Calvin Johnson (3) AJ Green (4) Jonathan Stewart (12) Matthew Stafford (18) Jason Pierre-Paul (24) CJ Spiller 216 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 16:39 I'm just going to push all these trades through, as well as any more that get thrown up today. I don't think a lot of people even get emails for when new trade polls go up. If anyone has an issue with this or the trades we can deal with it when it's brought up. I'd also like to see if we can decide whether or not to get rid of the 24 hour period to vote on trades and just push them through instantly. 217 TB       ID: 451028614       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 18:00 I got tons of mail for all the trade offers to motley crue. I think MC needs to change the email settings. Not sure why I am getting his trade offers. 218 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 18:19 I got an email for each transaction, but that is the way I configured my contact info in MFL... 219 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 19:19 MC has TB's email address listed as one of his. This is why you're getting emails. lol 220 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 19:20 I just removed the email, so it shouldn't happen any more. 221 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 19:38 OK, think this is it. Ugh 1) Drew Brees 1) Matt Forte 10) Robert Meacham 12) Legarrette Blount 24) Leon Washington 24) Jairus Byrd 222 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 19:57 Please go vote on the draft start date. We need to finalize this asap. Options are the 23rd as previously stated, or the 27th so we can start after the week 3 preseason games are over. http://football27.myfantasyleague.com/2012/options?L=14885&O=69 223 Doug       ID: 34844117       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 20:00 (1) A Foster (12) P Hillis (20) A Smith (22) G Wilson (spending 22nd for a 24th) (23) L Timmons (spending 23rd for a 24th) (24) D Heyward-Bey 224 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 21:29 Draft start -- can it be opened in officially on Sunday? Also, do I assume that the keepers will be imported into the proper slots? That will be a headache. Much appreciation to whomever is doing that! 225 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 21:32 I'd start it officially on the 27th but let people make picks on the 26th if they wanted to. There are only 2 games that day and none of the players in those games are consensus 1st rounders. 226 TB       ID: 451028614       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 22:47 Final Keepers (2) Charles, Jamaal (3) Jackson, Fred BUF RB (4) Bush, Reggie MIA RB (6) Davis, Vernon SFO TE (7) Moore, Denarius OAK WR (20) Babin, Jason PHI DE 227 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 23:09 224 that was supposed to be UNofficially... 228 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 23:24 For keepers I'm thinking (and still debating): Mike Wallace or Hakeem Nicks (6) Stephan Tulloch (6) Earl Bennett (24) Malcolm Floyd (24) Jay Cutler (24) Donald Brown (24) Could still use a RB. 229 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 00:15 I just realized I said consensus first rounders, which doesn't matter with the keepers. So I guess some guys of interest may be playing in those Sunday games, but we'll still have it open for people to pick if they'd like to. Looking like it will be the 27th for the official start based on votes at the league site. Currently 7-1 in favor of doing so. In other news, I did fix the rules up on the league site for everything (I think) that was brought up. However, we do still need to decide on blind bid waivers. If you do not know what they are, you would get a $100 budget for the year and during blind bid periods (the same periods normal waivers would cover) you can submit bids on players basically the same way you would enter waiver requests before while also adding in a bid amount. Highest bid wins a player with tiebreakers coming in to play if need be. Tiebreakers would likely be reverse of total points. The budget would also carry over in to the playoffs and tiebreakers for the playoffs can be done based on seeding. At least I think this is how we're doing it in RIFC. I have so much fantasy stuff going on right now I can't remember, hopefully Guru can chime in. Almost forgot to mention you can also trade blind bid money. If we do implement the blind bid waivers we need to also decide on at least 2 other things, which are: How will tiebreakers for week 1 (after the draft, before week 1 games) be decided? Reverse of draft order, or draft order? Do we carry budget over from year to year or have it reset? I think the best choice is to have them reset since this isn't a dynasty league. That's about all I can think of at the moment. I'm sure I left stuff out and people will have questions. We do need to get this decided on soon since the draft is coming up at the end of this week. I will likely put polls up tomorrow on the league site so we can get this figured out. In the mean time, if you have any questions we should be able to get them answered so you have a good idea of the changes that would be implemented. 230 Doug       ID: 387141814       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 00:36 My gut reaction is let's not make this any more complicated... I have a hard enough time finding the pages I want on this league's site (usually get it after a few minutes of menu navigation). Takes me way longer to manage this team than any of my other leagues already. And many of us are in several leagues (I presume) with all flavors of roster configurations and scoring systems... anyway, I'd much rather just stick with normal waivers. 231 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 00:49 Just to be clear, it's normal waivers with the addition of a bid amount box. So as far as entering things on the site, it's almost exactly the same. 232 Athletics Guy       ID: 26741218       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 01:21 #6 Miles Austin #12 Stevie Johnson #12 Cam Newton #24 Torrey Smith #24 Tamba Hali #24 London Fletcher Not sure how to determine who falls where for picks 11, 12, 22, 23 and 24... 233 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 01:28 Alright, that's a surprise. Guess you really want Richardson. Not sure it's worth it. 234 Doug       ID: 34844117       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 09:24 I don't think it matters who falls where, e.g. Smith/Hali/Fletcher would all still cost you a 12th to keep next season, regardless of who we say is the one technically using your "22nd" this year since they really all cost a 24th round this year, you're just using an earlier pick to pay that cost (as I understand it anyway). 235 Doug       ID: 34844117       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 09:28 Bonka, I understand it's normal waivers with a bid amount box, but there's a lot more mental energy and strategy that now would go into managing my $ pool successfully over the season (or longer if we were to roll over $ since it's a keeper league). Basically, I'm doing everything I can to simplify and reduce the amount of time/effort I put into FF (compared to years past) while still getting maximum enjoyment out of it... and this would be a move in the opposite direction. It's just one vote. I'm not saying the idea is ridiculous, I'm just saying it's not for me. 236 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 19:57 I posted more polls for now so we can get some things figured out. If we do end up switching to the blind bidding, we will have a couple extra decisions to make. Please go vote on the league site here 237 TB       ID: 451028614       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 20:00 I voted yes in two polls. One the third poll it says: For waiver resetting purposes (if we still reset), use points for rather than record? It doesn't offer me an option to vote yes or no, just a button to click vote. I'd select yes if that was an option. 238 TB       ID: 451028614       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 20:04 Here is my only question regarding blind bidding. If the tiebreaker is set with lowest point total scored to have tiebreaker priority, is this a rolling priority weekly so that if the lowest scoring team wins the first tiebreaker, does the second lowest scoring team win the next tiebreaker and so on for that week or does the tiebreaker just take into account the teams that made a similar bid on the same player and award it based on our tiebreaker settings? 239 TB       ID: 451028614       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 20:06 Triple post - I saw you fixed the third poll and voted. 240 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 20:12 I fixed that poll, just noticed I did that. Can vote on it now. I'm not actually sure about your question. I don't see any options to use a rolling order for tiebreakers, so I'm going to assume if you and another team make $1 bids on 10 players, the one who has the tiebreaker wins them all. I don't honestly know how often this would come in to play. Obviously $1 bids could be quite common, but after that, bids likely won't be the same all too often. On top of that, the chances that one team is going to have the same exact bid as another team on multiple players in the same week are quite low. Something I wouldn't really be concerned about. 241 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 22:15 It does look like in a situation where the same teams are bidding the same amount on the same players, the team with the tiebreaker will win all those players. As I said, this wouldn't be very common at all. The only likely time is with $1 bids, but that is easily avoided. 242 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 22:20 Keepers: MJD (1) Greg Jennings (1) Ahmad Bradshaw (1) Philip Rivers of Blood (1) Antonio Brownstone (11) Patrick Pickoff Peterson (19) 243 TB       ID: 451028614       Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 23:11 I watched River versus the Cowboys. I thought he looked terrible. I can't believe he completed so many wobbly throws. Manning looked the same to me too. Okay wobbly short passes, but everything deep was a disaster. Maybe Rivers will still be decent fantasy-wise, but I think the Chargers are a lock for last place in the AFC West. 244 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 01:51 Still need keepers from mjd Da Bomb skeepers 245 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 01:57 I entered keepers based on the latest lists I saw for everyone else. I guess the deadline is actually at night on the 21st, according to the site, so you can change them until that deadline and I'll fix them on the site if you do so. Also, make sure everything looks good, there's a chance I entered things incorrectly. 246 Doug       ID: 387141814       Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 10:48 Yeah, deadline is not until tonight... still some trades under discussion (including players who have now been dropped from rosters). Just an FYI... I'm sure commish can move players if needed. 247 Doug       ID: 387141814       Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 11:04 Speaking of trades, Doug sends Shonn Greene and his 19th to Da Bomb for his 17th 248 Da Bomb       Donor       ID: 487112814       Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 11:29 Steve Smith (4) Shonn Greene (6) Willis McGahee (7) Brandon Lloyd (12) Daryl Washington (23) Victor Cruz (24) 249 boikin       ID: 532592112       Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 12:03 Anyone want to make any last minute trades my whole team is available. If it is not too late me and Mötley Crüe would like to make a trade of von miller and his 10th round pick for my 9th round pick. he will confirm the trade this evening. 250 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 12:14 Sorry about that, I'll fix up everything. Just post trades/keepers here. When I was doing the keepers last night I didn't realize at the time that the league site listed a time tonight for the deadline. I just figured the deadline was the 21st and it was already the 21st. 251 Da Bomb       Donor       ID: 487112814       Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 13:47 Ryan Williams as a 22nd rounder is available. 252 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 14:35 Mike Wallace (6) Stephan Tulloch (6) Earl Bennett (24) Malcolm Floyd (24) Jay Cutler (24) Donald Brown (24) 253 boikin       ID: 532592112       Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 15:33 Matt Ryan up for trade for picks? or players possibly. 254 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 19:08 Confirm trade stated in post [249]. 255 Boikin roaming       ID: 237522111       Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 22:07 Wes Welker 1 Micheal Turner 1 Percy Harvin 2 LeSean McCoy 2 Aaron Hernadez 9 Von Miller 17 256 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 22:25 I am impressed with the number of trades negotiated over the past two weeks. It's great to see teams maximizing their keepers and/or upgrading draft picks heading into the draft. A good sign regarding the health of this league! 257 TB       ID: 451028614       Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 00:51 I've been trying to keep track of trades and keepers. Once Da Bomb posts who he is keeping, I will send out a sheet and have everyone eyeball it to make sure I captured all the trades and the keepers from this season. 258 Da Bomb       Donor       ID: 487112814       Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 01:06 Post 248 259 TB       ID: 451028614       Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 01:28 Rather than email the file (knowing I probably missed a trade or two) I am posting a link and you guys can take a look, let me know what I missed, then I will update and email it out. RG14 2012 Keeper List 260 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 01:56 Still waiting for people to vote on the league site on polls. Going to start the draft on the 27th since we have 8 vs 3 in favor right now. It will get opened on the 26th with no clock. Draft clock is 6 hours and doesn't run between 1am and 7am eastern. 261 Doug       ID: 387141814       Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 09:26 Remind me, does draft take place on MFL site? 262 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 09:49 yes Doug 264 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 19:04 I just realized I made a mistake. And so did boikin. He and I traded for Von Miller via e-mail and the deal was my 9.11 for his 8.14. He posted it wrong above and texted me to approve as soon as I got home so that it would go through before the keeper deadline. So I rushed home and posted [254] without really paying attention to the numbers he'd actually posted in [249]. The e-mail evidence of this is at my office, so I'll forward to bonka and anyone else who'd like to see it tomorrow. For tonight, though, I'd like my word to be taken that we erred and I request that it be fixed at MFL. Thank you. 265 TB       ID: 451028614       Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 19:27 lol. Not saying I don't believe you, but I was wondering after I posted the sheet if either of you two would notice he was now using his 8.14 for Hernandez. 266 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 19:46 I'll change it once he hops on here and confirms. 267 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 21:56 SO draft opens tomorrow !!! WHEEE! What is the time allowed for each pick or are we starting untimed? Too lazy to reread the rules... SOrry. Busy day... 268 Boikin roaming       ID: 237522111       Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 22:32 MC is correct I made a mistake in what I posted, I copied the email incorrectly. 269 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 22:37 Draft does not start tomorrow. Check post 260 270 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 00:43 Fixed the MC/skeepers draft picks. Everyone please check their keepers and draft slots used. Hopefully I didn't make any mistakes. Also still waiting on people to vote on the league site. We need to come to some decisions. 271 I_AM_CANADIAN       Sustainer       ID: 01361448       Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 09:08 Sorry guys, somehow missed out on the votes. They are in now. 272 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 09:35 My keepers look good. Thanks for the effort Bonka. 273 wiggs       Leader       ID: 04991311       Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 09:40 mine look good- are they official now, Can i start crossing names off? 274 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 10:15 Yeah, lets have keepers set in stone at this point. Update your draft sheets or whatever you use. Also pray that nobody gets hurt. 275 Guru       ID: 330592710       Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 21:58 I traded my 20th round pick to Doug. The spreadsheet shows it as an 18th rounder. 276 Doug       ID: 48142911       Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 12:54 Is there a clock? Don't see one on the draft page. I ask because I came to work today w/o my draft stuff... should be home around 6-7 EST. Apologies in advance for any delay that might cause. I went to Help Center and typed in "queue" but no hits (and nothing obvious on draft page), so does MFL not support queues? 277 Guru       ID: 330592710       Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 13:48 Doug - you are really not paying attention! Draft starts on Sunday. [post 260] We drafted on MFL before. I wrote a brief instructional post last year: see post [1]. I assume this is still applicable. BTW, you are the only manager who has not yet chipped in the $4 to cover the cost of the hosting site. Everyone else did this back in June, when requested. [see posts 30-31 for instructions] 278 Doug       ID: 557222418       Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 19:24 Sorry... saw 267 not Bonka's reply. Didn't read the older posts I guess, will send payment this weekend plus an extra donation to the site as penance. 279 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Sat, Aug 25, 2012, 13:49 There's a spreadsheet in [259] that I am not able to access for some reason. I'd like to see it. Could someone possibly mail it to me? 280 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Aug 25, 2012, 18:40 Only one person hasn't voted on whether to use blind bidding or not, and the vote is currently at 9 to 4 in favor. So we'll go ahead and use non conditional blind bid waivers. Everyone will get $100 to start to use at their discretion for the entire season. The money IS tradeable. I know it was mentioned earlier about possibly carrying excess blind bid money from season to season, but I'm just going to say we're not doing that. I don't think it's a good idea for this league setup. Draft starts this Monday, but I will be opening it probably around 2-4am Sunday with no timer. 281 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Aug 25, 2012, 18:43 I forgot to mention that we'll follow RIFC in not having players lock any more. It's mostly a hassle and will simplify things. Blind bidding will run when waivers would normally run. Rest of the week will still be FCFS. 283 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Aug 25, 2012, 23:09 Going to open the draft at 8am Sunday. Clock won't be on until 7am Monday. 284 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 11:39 Bonka, thanks for all your work and effort in getting the league set for this season. Also TB and others that have helped. Lot's going on, so not around as much as in the past, but still know how much it takes to do all you do. Great season to all. 285 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 12:52 Bonka, what does "non-conditional" blind bid waivers mean? I get blind bidding, but what's the "non-conditional" element entail? 286 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 13:06 Conditional lets you set up rounds like the waivers used to be, letting you do things like the following in multiple rounds. Bid 5 on Player A Bid 6 on Player B if you don't get A Non conditional has you throw everyone in to one list and you lose the ability to only bid on B if you don't get A. Technically, you can still do things like this since we're usually dropping players only if we win a player. It's more an issue if you just have open roster spots where the non conditional vs conditional comes in to play. Here is MFL's explanation: Conditional bidding allows an owner to bid on player A and if not awarded, then bid on player B. Non-conditional ("regular") bidding just has an owner bid on player A and then bid on player B. In this latter case, the owner could get both players A and B. In the former, the owner would only get one of the two. Note that in Conditional Bidding you would enter players in multiple rounds in order to receive several players, but the Rounds are merely placeholders for these bids and have no weighted value. For the Non-Conditional Bids these are based on the highest bids winning. If all dollar values for all bid requests are the same, then the system will award the players in the order that they are entered by the owner. 287 Guru       ID: 330592710       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 13:37 The keeper spreadsheet lists Vincent Jackson as a 12th round pick for IAC. He's setup on MFL as a 22nd rounder. 288 Guru       ID: 330592710       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 13:40 ...and Green Ellis is also a 12th for IAC (not 23rd). Not sure if that bumps him up to 11th round, or down to 14th. 289 Guru       ID: 330592710       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 13:50 ...and Darren McFadden should be a 3rd rounder, not 7th 290 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 13:51 Alright, I'll get that fixed then. Trusted IAC to have the rounds correct. 291 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 15:26 I still have no clue how this blind bidding works. I have read and re-read stuff, still do not get it... Oh well. 292 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 15:29 Is the draft open? I see pre draft Q's sitting there at the top... 293 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 15:50 When you go to place a blind bid you'll pick the player you want, enter the amount you're going to bid, and pick who you're going to drop. Do this for as many players as you want to try to grab, they'll all go in one list. It's pretty simple, you'll be ok once you actually do it I'm sure. 294 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 15:55 So no rounds any more, just money. Highest money on a guy wins regardless. Bid on x, y, and z, plan to drop a. Would only get one of them, if that, because only listed one player to drop, a. If want all three would need to give three guys to drop, one for each...? 295 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 16:00 Yes, need 3 different guys to drop. You can do something like: Bid A, drop Z Bid B, drop Z Bid C, drop Z Bid B, drop Y Bid C, drop Y Bid C, drop X 296 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 20:58 Thought we would have gotten through some picks today. 297 wiggs       Leader       ID: 04991311       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 21:17 when does the clock kick in? 298 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 23:17 Yeh, was hoping to make a pick not from a queue. 299 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 23:47 I hope we don't have to wait 6 for six hours beginning at 7 am... Oaktown has 3 of the first 10 picks, starting at #1... 300 Doug       ID: 387141814       Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 00:02 I do my best during the week to have queues or short lists that I email myself at work, but if draft moves faster than expected and several rounds go through, it can be tough sometimes to make an afternoon pick, when I know that I'll be home with all my data in a couple hours and make a more informed choice then. Anyway, I should be good for tomorrow, but sometimes I do get roped into meetings or dealing with urgent issues for several hours on end and don't always get advance warning. 301 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 10:08 OK, I have queues for Rounds 4,5,6 Have no access at all while at work. Hopefully those will last. 302 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 14:58 Man, why did you have to take Allen right in front of me? Wanted to grab him so bad. 303 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 21:03 this is a weird fun draft -- guys are falling all over the place, not like normal...i look for guys that should be there, but especially the stronger IDP's, well they are gone! 305 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 21:50 I go out, leave a 13 person Q. I come back they are all there. I sure wish that MFL would self delete the guys that have been selected. It is a PAIN to have to compare lists. I don't even know if my Q is empty on not. We shall see! They absolutely need to fix that! 306 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 10:26 boikin and I have made a trade for his current pick. I've asked Bonka to push it through. If he doesn't by noon, I'll ask boikin to make the pick for me and we can modify the trade appropriately. 307 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 10:45 I turned off the stupid 1 day vote thing. It should just be done away with completely, but I'll leave it off for the draft so these trades can get through immediately and not hold things up like that just did. 308 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 11:52 Now that we have done away with priority waivers, is there any reason to continue to use the following rule? If a manager waives a player and then reacquires the same player by waivers in the same NFL week (i.e., Week 1, Week 2, etc.), the player shall maintain the same keeper round status (i.e. where he was drafted in the current fantasy season) he had before being waived. If I waive a guy during the week now, there's no 48-hr waiver claim on him anymore. He's a FCFS FA. 309 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 14:17 I think a player should have their keeper round kept intact until they go through a blind bidding period. So if a player is dropped then picked up during FCFS that same week, the keeper round is kept. If they go during blind bidding or FCFS after that week, then it can get reset to round 24. 310 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 15:50 OK, so just a rewording. I was thinking about it and that makes sense. It wouldn't be right to let someone drop a player and pick him back up the next moment and call the player a 24th rounder the following season. 311 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 16:01 308-310 HUH? 312 Athletics Guy       ID: 27552915       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 16:55 Stupid iPhone! That's not who I wanted. Oh well... 313 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 17:07 I can change the pick for you if you let me know who you want. As long as he isn't picked before you tell me. 314 Athletics Guy       ID: 27552915       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 18:20 Can I get Charles Woodson of GB then? My sausage fingers accidentally clicked the draft button. And it just drafted the first alphabetical CB. 315 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 18:26 Changed it. And this is why the queues don't get emptied. If someone happened to have the guy he took accidentally at the top of their queue, they wouldn't get him if he was removed from the queue. 316 Athletics Guy       ID: 27552915       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 18:26 Can I get Charles Woodson of GB then? My sausage fingers accidentally clicked the draft button. And it just drafted the first alphabetical CB. 317 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 19:12 Judy [311], have you read the rules? If not, I encourage you to please do so. It's not too late. This league is pretty unusual and we have a lot of unique rules, especially where keepers are concerned. And once you've read them, if you don't understand something, I'd be glad to explain it to you in the forum of your choosing (right here, e-mail, phone). 318 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 19:24 I have to read over the rules soon and change the waiver stuff to reflect the blind bidding. 319 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 20:36 After my misteak in the beginning I think I finally understand the keeper rules and subsequent draft issues with that. My bad for not looking at the league rules. Been doing 4 slow drafts this week (running 2 of them) and it has been most confusing at times. Just a cheater answer needed -- the lineups and scoring match RIFC, right? I promise I will look at the rest when these drafts are over! 320 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 21:00 Judy, lineups and scoring are identical to the RIFC. One less thing to have to manage. 321 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 23:13 sweet! 322 I_AM_CANADIAN       ID: 2510512518       Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 22:06 FYI - need 10 min to get caught up, then picking 323 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 08:50 I am out all morning. At the rate this is going and the way these Q's work, I have left Q's for only rounds 17 and 18. I need to see who I get there to go forth. Sorry. 324 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 08:51 Make that 18 and 19... 325 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 19:07 skeepers 7 RB and 8 WR? You planning on making some trades in the future? 326 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 19:20 I noticed his hoarding last night. Gonna have to drop them for IDPs within the next week. Has no trade leverage. 327 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 20:06 After the draft is over I'll set up a blind bid period that will run until Tuesday noon eastern. Then FCFS will open at 3pm. Remember, players do not lock any more after being dropped. They can immediately be picked up as long as FCFS is open. Players picked up in the same week they are dropped keep their draft round keeper designation. 328 Mötley Crüe       ID: 40422288       Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 21:37 The NFL has changed IR rules to allow 1 player to come back from IR per season. We might want to consider changing our IR rules in response to that. I would be OK with a player being placed on IR in the fantasy league and then returned to an active roster when he is returned to an active spot on an NFL roster. Not sure if we should allow a manager to keep a player on IR in the fantasy league if the guy is on an active roster in the NFL. 329 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 21:41 I'd be ok with that, as long as it's still only restricted to players on IR, not guys on PUP like Jahvid Best. 330 Judy       ID: 54203110       Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 22:20 Odds that draft finishes anytime soon? Very difficult to leave Q's because of so many what if's regarding who I get each round. 331 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 23:41 I'd be surprised if we didn't finish tomorrow. 332 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 00:36 #325 now he has 8 RB, including Hightower -- not enough picks left to fill out his K and IDP roster... HUH? 333 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 00:39 Hightower was cut, so that makes me laugh. Problem with IAC timing out...I'm pretty sure I have to put a pick in for him and I might not be around for a few hours whenever he does hop on and have someone to pick. 334 I_AM_CANADIAN       ID: 2510512518       Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 00:57 Hey guys... sorry about my pick... I had queues set for two rounds, thought they'd be fine. I'll try to get caught up here shortly. 335 I_AM_CANADIAN       ID: 2510512518       Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 01:11 Hey Bonka, Please pick for me: Jason Hanson, PK, DET Thx, Ben 336 Athletics Guy       ID: 26741218       Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 17:21 10 rbs drafted... That's got to be a RG14 record! 337 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 18:02 I don't think even I ever did that. Maybe 4 in a row to begin, but not that many total. 338 boikin       ID: 532592112       Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 19:37 Draft is done, I guess at some point ill have to find some IDPs good thing they are a dime a dozen, and I need a whole dozen. But on the bright side this will give me a chance to see if any of these players will pan out in the next few days... 339 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 20:32 Good IDPs are not a dime a dozen. Those RBs and WRs you picked up though...they're a dime a dozen :) 340 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 21:59 I am good with the IR adjustments proposed by MC in post 328. Agree with Bonka that PUP players should not be eligible. 341 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 00:21 All the good IDP's are long gone, Skeeps. IDP's should score you at least 1/3 of your weekly total and more if you plan to win games! Many are incredibly consistent week in and week out, unlike some of the offensive guys and the RBBC and WR/TE of the week. 342 TB       ID: 451028614       Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 00:36 I dunno, many of the IDP that were drafted will be very average and score equal to plenty of the remaining free agents, especially DB and DL. I do think he should have grabbed a couple more IDP instead of players like Hightower (who has a bum knee and had already been cut prior to that pick) or Bess, who is equally as average as many remaining FA receivers and in a horrible passing offense. 343 boikin       ID: 532592112       Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 18:18 Hightower was a mistake, and ill admit I have soft spot for Bess and Rainey, who I am not even sure how he made a team. 344 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 21:46 Look out guys, the MFL draft recap rated my team #5. HAHAHAHA! 345 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 21:47 then again, skeepers with all the IDP holes is ranked #1. HUH? So it sure looks like these rankings are trash! 346 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 22:04 I just looked over and changed a few things in the bylaws to reflect what was changed recently with blind bidding. One thing that hasn't been discussed or voted on yet is how the playoff blind bidding will be handled. I'd like to just do the same thing RIFC is doing. I think we decided on carrying over the blind bid in to the playoffs and then awarding teams extra money based on their seed. Pretty sure it was (9-seed)x2. Which would be 1st seed gets 16, 2nd gets 14, 8th gets 2. I'll have to check the RIFC rules later to make sure. 347 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 22:09 This is the major thing I changed in the rules: If a player is waived then reacquired before a blind bidding period, the player shall maintain the same keeper round status (i.e. where he was drafted in the current fantasy season) he had before being waived. If people have an issue with that then we can put it to a vote, but it seems the best way to handle that situation since we're moving to blind bidding and there is no period where players are locked. They are FCFS as soon as it opens up. Keep in mind that rule means if ANY team picks the player up, not just the team that originally dropped the player. 348 TB       ID: 45735270       Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 10:00 Goatlocker - You need to set your line-ups for the week. 349 Judy       ID: 54203110       Tue, Sep 11, 2012, 07:56 Geez wiggs, third highest score and you play the only two higher than you. Lousy luck to start off the season. 350 Da Bomb       Donor       ID: 487112814       Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 13:19 Wow TB! $63 used on the first week. 351 Athletics Guy       ID: 26741218       Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 20:56 Is there a convenient way of seeing how many bidding $ each team has available? 352 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 21:00 Should see BB budget in the standings now. 353 Athletics Guy       ID: 26741218       Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 22:05 Right in front of my face this whole time? I was going through every menu looking for it. Thanks! 354 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 22:19 No, I added that after you asked. 355 TB       ID: 451028614       Thu, Sep 13, 2012, 01:53 Da Bomb, I didn't actually expect to win them all. I obviously over-estimated the bid amounts (same with RIFC) but I don't mind spending early to improve my crappy team. 356 TB       ID: 451028614       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 00:10 Is the live scoring page one each team can customize the view or is it the same for everyone in the league? Mine has changed this year and it looks like crap. 357 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 00:38 Change your skin. For Owners, Franchise Setup, Skins. 358 Judy       ID: 54203110       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 13:44 I tried to change the skin, but the live scoring is always that crappy white on white. What gives?? 359 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 14:36 I'm in a bunch of leagues and most have different skins. The live scoring pages on the website always reflect the skin for me. If you're using the program for live scoring, then there's nothing you can do. 360 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 17:39 I have tried at least 5 different skins. Each one gives me the white on white for lieve scoring. Also there is no live scoring module to select for my home page -- I have it on all the others??? AAA#2 and AA...It has "head to head" results instead...??? ???? This league MFL set up is goofy... That white on white is hard to read -- it is BAD! 361 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 17:50 There are 4 tabs top leftish, Main, My Team, News, Gameday. The live scoring is in Gameday. Not all skins have that though. 362 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 19:35 But I want live scoring on my main home page (the personal one). Even when I use a skin that has it in AAA#2, I cannot get it in G14... Something is missing... 363 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 19:52 So I'm able to delete those tabs I was talking about. I deleted the Gameday one and put the link to live scoring on the main page. The other live scoring thing should be available for you to put where you want when customizing the modules. It was there for you before, but it was hidden in the Gameday tab which you had to select from a dropdown menu you probably didn't notice. 364 TB       ID: 451028614       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 19:57 I just logged in as commish and see it is the commish skin that is set to that terrible white on white. The font is just hard to read. I'm not going to mess with it because that must be the skin that Bonka likes. 365 TB       ID: 451028614       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 20:00 Oh, hi Bonka. I like to click on http://www27.myfantasyleague.com/2012/live_scoring_summary?L=14885 or even just to click on the details of any of those games to see how individual players are doing or to see who teams still have left to play. It is those screens with the crappy font and white on white action. 366 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 20:01 In AAA I can put live scoring on both the main and the gameday tabs...In G14, it is still not available for main and I do not want to hazard dropping it from game day... 367 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 20:31 Just delete the gameday tab and it should be there for you to put where you want. I just decided to use their new skin as the default since it seemed pretty decent, despite it being a white background. Everyone can set their skin/modules up as they please, so not really concerned about it. I don't think anything is hard to read though. Maybe yours displays differently than mine. The font is the same as it was last year, it's just blue on white rather than white on grey. 368 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 20:34 I do see that it uses the default on those pages though. I guess it doesn't consider you logged in for those pages, so it won't use your customized selection. That's pretty lame. 369 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 20:38 I changed the default to some dark setup. If people don't like it they can swap their skin and deal with the darker live scoring pages. 370 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Fri, Sep 14, 2012, 23:20 mucho better -- thanks! 371 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Sun, Sep 16, 2012, 20:26 Took a chance that Gates would play and when I saw he was inactive at about 3:30, I flipped a coin between Rosario and Scheffler as his replacement. 372 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Sep 16, 2012, 20:33 Not a lucky coin I take it. 373 Judy       ID: 54203110       Tue, Sep 18, 2012, 13:26 BoNKA -- waiver help needed in AAA; can you look at the thread and answer to Kyle? Thanks. 374 Doug       ID: 352451223       Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 06:57 Umm... don't players who are dropped go on waivers? I see some who look like they were picked up 3 hours after they were dropped by another team. 375 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 11:27 No, they're available immediately. They keep their keeper round until they go through a waiver period though. So those guys getting picked up right after being dropped are not 24th round players, unless they were to begin with. This was mentioned in post 327. 376 Doug       ID: 352451223       Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 16:08 This is a terrible system. 377 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 19:19 Dug -- it is a new rule voted in this season for RIFC. No wait time for dropped players. If it does not work as planned, we could go back to old rule... Time will tell. Personally it was hairy waiting by the computer for the exact minute to process your FA request to time I with the player's release. This is easier, but not as good for those not near a computer on a regular basis... 378 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 19:20 Oops sorry dug -- uh, doug. 379 TB       ID: 451028614       Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 01:20 I have to agree with Doug. I like blind bidding, but I don't like dropped players not going through the bidding process and just being immediately available to whoever happens to be online when waivers run. 380 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 09:49 I agree with TB. Love the bidding system. Don't like dropped players being immediately available to whoever is online on response to their email notification the fastest. But I do like that it's impossible for someone to lock up a bunch of players that they pick up for free. Ideally, the system would be able to force all players to go through a blind bidding process at least once each week once they are not on a team. Free agents would go through the Wednesday at noon BB and could then be added/dropped with no restrictions the rest of the week. Anyone on a roster that is dropped would be locked until they go through a bid cycle 24 hours after they were dropped (or they lock for game time), and could then be added/dropped with no restrictions the rest of the week. This would ensure the following things: - no player that multiple teams would like to have could be picked up without a reasonable opportunity to obtain that player - the number of players in a locked status at the start of games would be minimal to allow for last minute switches - "Churning" would be practically impossible since a team would have to spend a buck to pick up and drop anyone that would be subject to a lock I don't know if this is possible to implement, but this seems like the gold standard to me. 381 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 13:46 Can't set it up like that. It's also not like big impact players are being dropped. Glad to see Spiller hurt. My RBs just got decimated. 382 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 15:17 Just found the NFL red zone on TV -- what a hoot to watch!! 383 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 15:21 Judy, I've been watching that since it's been out. Love it for fantasy. 384 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 16:48 It is a TON of fun -- all action no ads, you get to see the great plays instead of the shortened version on the espn sum up.. Not even watching the eagles game... 385 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 18:13 We just got it and NFL Network as well. My wife is not happy. :) 386 I_AM_CANADIAN       Sustainer       ID: 01361448       Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 09:09 RE 382-385: Using NFL GamePass up here in Canada... it's great for streaming, but those Live nationally/regionally televised games are blacked-out unfortunately. I might have to get a "Free to Air" setup just for the CBS/Fox signals from VT. 387 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 13:49 After the cable companies sorted out things with the NFL Network we finally got it last year. Just got access to Red Zone this year and it's awesome. Never thought I'd complain about no commercials for a B&B (bathroom and beer) break. 388 TB       ID: 45735270       Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 15:49 Red Zone is pretty great. This weekend I found myself watching the mix channel where there were 8 games and I'd keep moving the volume to the play that was about to be snapped and then go to that channel when they got into scoring position. It was like a manual red zone channel, especially when I'd see a great play and then go to that specific channel to catch the replay. IAC - when are you and I going to work a deal where I get McFadden? Charles is looking healthy. You have those two nice QB's and are looking a bit weak at WR/TE. Maybe some type of Cassel, Charles, and Davis/Marshall deal for McFadden and Ryan? 389 boikin       ID: 532592112       Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 16:59 Wiggs, I got the trade request and I Pondering(pun intended?) I could use the RB help, just trying to decide on my sentimental value of Percy. I am thinking he is WR you want. 390 Judy       ID: 54203110       Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 19:18 Red zone and TiVo -- no need to worry about B & B breaks! Although you do get behind... I doubt I will watch a game live anymore -- this was so much more FUN!! 391 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 22:12 MJD for AP and Sproles, in this format? I don't get it. I understand one team is loaded at RB, but that doesn't mean you give 2 for 1 when all 3 are pretty comparable. 392 TB       ID: 451028614       Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 23:37 I am not seeing that trade. 393 TB       ID: 451028614       Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 23:45 I found it. I had to go to communications/league polls to find it. I'm very surprised from the emails I've received from MC during some preseason trades that he would offer or accept this trade. Gut reaction was to click reject, but I know it isn't collusion so wish I could take that back, but it just seems so lopsided and doesn't improve Wiggs team a bit. 394 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 23:51 Agreed, one team benefits a TON while the other doesn't gain anything but rather loses a viable starting RB. I hate voting on trades because I don't expect any completely horrible trades to ever get accepted, but I did actually vote no on this one. Whether anyone else does or not, I don't know. I just don't understand why someone would accept that trade. If MJD was a 24th round keeper next year and wasn't so old, then sure. But that isn't the case. You can get SO much more value for AP and Sproles than that. 395 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 23:52 Also, for anyone who doesn't get the emails for these, go here to vote if you wish to. http://football27.myfantasyleague.com/2012/options?L=14885&O=69 396 Da Bomb       Donor       ID: 487112814       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 00:03 I guess from wiggs perspective he views MJD as ever so slightly better than each of AP and Sproles, and also has Murray & Mathews. I guess wiggs sees his starting lineup improving and that may be so, but he got terrible value and the rest of the league hurts because of it. I'd like to see this trade reworked a little. 397 Judy       ID: 54203110       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 13:10 Is there maybe a trade chip in here as well? 398 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 15:02 That trade is just bad. Surprised there haven't been more comments on it. People like voting trades down when they throw off balance like that one does, so I don't get why there hasn't been more said. Trade is just not balanced. Throw in another player or some pick swaps. To me the trade is just strengthing one team for no reason. 399 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 15:08 The rules: For the first 24 hours following a trade, managers may protest a trade by posting a message at the RotoGuru forum, or by sending an email to the Commissioner. If at least 3 managers protest a trade within 24 hours of its announcement, then all managers will be polled within the next 24 hours. If seven or more managers vote to veto a trade, then it will not be approved. I want people to vote on this trade, so I'll protest it, need 2 more to force everyone to vote. I get the feeling people will not even see this trade until it goes through. 400 Guru       ID: 330592710       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 15:17 I don't understand the trade. And if put to a league-wide vote, I'll probably not vote against it. But I would like to hear something from Wiggs as to his rationale. For that reason, I'll vote against it now, just to promote "further review" 401 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 18:19 If we're keeping the whole voting on trades deal, I think we need to change the wording of the rules. The trades aren't announced other than a trade poll going up on the website. Unless people have it set to email them when those go up, they never see it. 8 teams haven't voted on this trade yet. I feel like if there are 3 or more no votes on the trade and enough teams haven't voted to possibly push it to the required 7 vetos then the trade should be held off until enough votes are tallied to pass or kill the trade. So example would be this trade, if it turns out there are currently 3 or more no votes, while 8 haven't voted at all, those 8 (or enough people to push the votes to 7+ no or 8 yes) should be required to vote before the trade is officially passed. 402 TB       ID: 451028614       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 20:26 There are at least 3 no votes, but like Guru I just want to get Wiggs take on the trade. 403 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 20:34 So TB are you officially protesting so we can get more info and have everyone take a look at it then? If so, then that will be the case. 404 TB       ID: 451028614       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 20:49 Yes, I voted no already. I have to know what Wiggs was thinking. I also shot MC an email and am hoping to hear from him. 405 wiggs       Leader       ID: 04991311       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 21:01 I dont understand why this trade is soooo bad. I am NEVER going to start spoiles unless I have a major injury. I have not been impressed with AP. My plan is that I will be starting Matthews and MJD every week and use Murray if I need someone for a bye or an injury. I have too many RBs, and I decided to package 2 for 1. I have offered trades like this to many others, but no one even responded accept boikin but that was just that he was thinking about it. There is nothing shady happening here 406 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 21:05 Alrighty then. The trade will likely process tonight unless we actually hit 7 no votes on the league site. 6 people didn't vote, so the trade won't be official yet, despite it probably going through on the league site. I could just kill the trade now and wait until we figure out what is going on, but I'd like to see how many voted yes/no and I don't think I can see it until the time runs out. 407 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 21:07 The trade looks bad because there are basically 3 equal players being traded in a 2 for 1. You gain nothing while he gains a stud RB. Just because you are loaded at RB doesn't mean you should be giving them away for nothing. If you were just swapping MJD for one of them, fine. But that isn't the case. 408 wiggs       Leader       ID: 04991311       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 21:10 but i will never use ap or spoiles- i plan on starting mjd- they are not necessarily even- MJD held out to start the season and had a monster game this past week. I would be willing to bet mjd outscores them over the course of the year. 409 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 21:28 Just for the sake of it, MJD and AP are 1st round keepers, Sproles will be a 3rd. 410 The Beezer       ID: 96572318       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 22:04 Good enough for me wiggs. Thanks for responding. 411 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 22:18 Poll was 3 yes, 5 no. 6 didn't vote. I'm going to put another poll up that we need everyone to vote on, per league rules. If we hit 7 no or 8 yes then it's done. Please go here. Poll expires tomorrow. 412 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 22:22 Regarding the reasoning...what did you expect to hear from Wiggs? You're also not going to see MC show up and tell us how he pulled off a trade that improves his team a ton at essentially no cost. I'd really just like to see the trade redone so more than MJD is being given up for two RBs you can plug in and start on almost any team in the league. 413 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 22:50 Went to vote, and it said was up until tomorrow, but got the email that the trade had went through. I'm confused. Talking the #5 RB in this format after three weeks for the #7 and #11 RB after three weeks. Kept looking for a draft pick with it, but didn't see one. 414 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 23:03 The trade was processed on the site because that goes automatically if 7 no votes aren't placed on the initial poll. I could have cancelled the trade but wanted to see how many no votes there were. There is a new poll up and if there are 7 no votes on that I can reverse the trade. 415 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Thu, Sep 27, 2012, 22:13 It's ridiculous when I send an email to the league while also mentioning it here that we need everyone to vote and we still have 4 people who didn't. Beezer, Wiggs, Snoop, Skeepers did not vote. Obviously Wiggs would vote yes and I guess Beezer would vote yes? That leaves 2 possible no votes to add to the 6 we already have. I'm going to email the three of them and tell them to post here. Shouldn't have to be doing this. 416 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Thu, Sep 27, 2012, 22:24 Actually I just realized I can just extend the polls, so I did that. Please go vote here if you haven't already. http://football27.myfantasyleague.com/2012/options?L=14885&O=69 417 Mötley Crüe       ID: 358142722       Thu, Sep 27, 2012, 23:15 If a trade receives at least 3 protests but the protests are not upheld in a full league vote, then the trade will be processed 48 hours after it is announced. Bonka, enough is enough. There aren't enough "no" votes. I understand that you personally don't agree with the trade, but it's been 48 hours since you announced it and less than half the league is against it within the period specified by the rules. The trade is done. 418 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Thu, Sep 27, 2012, 23:51 What constitutes a 'full league vote?' Because we didn't get everyone to vote. I realize you're ready to run off giggling after you pull off this awful trade because the whole league can't even respond in a timely manner. If it was voted to pass then fine, but it wasn't. 419 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Thu, Sep 27, 2012, 23:54 It's completely unacceptable for Doug and Skeepers to not respond to any of this after receiving 2 emails and having discussion on this board for the past 2 days. Why bother having rules like this if they can't even fully be enforced because league members are essentially inactive during the process? 420 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 00:01 Yes, time is up. I understand that some don't like the trade. But it's not collusion. I personally don't care to dictate how people run their team. Wiggs is not a naive fantasy player. I've played in many leagues with him over the years. Like it or not, he's given his reasons. I admit that I've been tempted to be overpay in order to get a specific player that I had to have. I do, however try to even things out to avoid league scrutinty and contriversies like this. I just wish that I had the player that he wanted. 421 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 00:06 Yeah, I find it funny that Sproles and AP were never publicly put on 'the block' if Wiggs has such little value for them and I never got an offer for Spiller (plus Stewart even), who is a 12th round keeper next year, before he got hurt. Instead there's this MJD trade. Horrible, horrible value. Congrats to MC for strengthening his team at no cost. 422 wiggs       Leader       ID: 04991311       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 00:32 You know- I am actually starting to get pissed off here and I think it is complete crap to be publicly criticized for this trade. This was not a trade to screw the league, it was not a trade to set him up with better players, it was a trade that i made to improve my team and thats what i think i am doing. I didnt vote because i obviously want the trade to go through. I sent out around 6 offers with these guys in them and MC was the only one who made any response, except boikin saying he was pondering. My team is in last place- I will never use Spoiles and I figured I needed to make a move to get out of the basement. IF you want to cancel the trade feel free to cancel the trade, then you can look for another manager to take over next year. The repeated comments about how bad I am is really ridiculous and I would rather not participate in a league with people who feel that way. For those of you that have supported me in the trade i thank you- for people like Bonka who continue to insult me- I hope that makes you feel better about yourself 423 wiggs       Leader       ID: 04991311       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 00:34 Oh by the way- about spiller- i believe he got hurt last week- i bet you would have liked me to move my guys for an injured player. That would be great 424 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 00:42 You got terrible value on the trade. You should have gotten more in return, that's undeniable. Sorry. I don't care if you get pissed because someone points out that fact. I don't like that someone is getting a huge free upgrade at RB but I have to deal with that. Also, I said before Spiller got hurt. Lastly, 6 of the 9 people not involved in the trade who voted on it, voted no. Nuff said. 425 wiggs       Leader       ID: 04991311       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 00:45 The trade wasnt sent out until after the injury- therefore spiller was never in my thoughts. YOu can think what you like- but i should be able to run my team the way i want to run it, and you shouldnt be able to change the rule of the league to make things happen the way you want them. Either way- I DONT CARE- but your insults are uncalled for and I dont appreciate them 426 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 00:58 I'm not changing rules, I wanted to see if those guys would even vote in another 24 hour window to see how the voting would end up if everyone responded as they should have. Team A gives #5 RB (#5 in 2011 PPG through week 16) Team B gives #7 RB and #11 RB (#6 and #7 in 2011 PPG through week 16) I'm not insulting you personally. I feel the trade value is extremely bad. If you can't accept that after looking at this, then I don't know what to say. Sorry. The trade voting needs to go. Absolutely no reason to keep it when this trade goes through. This is likely to be the closest we get to overturning one, which could have happened if all votes were tallied. It's not fair to overturn future trades after this ordeal. 427 wiggs       Leader       ID: 04991311       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 01:08 you can only play 2 rbs in this league- throw a bye in there and you can only use 3. The 4th guy would be on the bench with no chance to play. I also do not believe spoiles will continue to put up these numbers in a non ppr. he didnt even have a carry in the 1st 2 games, then didnt have a catch in game 3. I would be surprised if he finishes in the top 15 this season. 428 TB       ID: 451028614       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 01:15 I appreciate your explanation Wiggs. I don't think you got the value you could have gotten, but I knew it wasn't collusion. I am disappointed in you, MC. I know you tried to call me earlier and it was a busy night for me. If you go back and reread that email I responded to last night, specifically your comment on previous trades, you know why I am disappointed. 429 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 02:02 As you pointed out, Sproles had no carries in 2 games and no catches in the 3rd and is still the 7th ranked RB on a team that is not performing as well as they can be. Can't wait until the end of the season to see how this plays out. 430 boikin       ID: 532592112       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 10:01 For the record I was undecided so I excused myself from the vote, I thought the trade was probably OK to go through but clearly a steal for MC, but at the same time wiggs had offered me AP for Harvin which seems like an insult after seeing what he offered MC, and with that clouding my judgement I decided it would not be fair for me to vote. I probably should have posted this earlier. In reply to post 414/415, it might good to add a third option on the votes of abstain. 431 wiggs       ID: 1768158       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 11:00 Boikin do u see harvin as being equal to mjd? Mjd is an every draft 1st rounder harvin is usually a 3rd round guy 432 Doug       ID: 387141814       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 13:33 FWIW, I just searched my inbox for emails sent to the address I use for MFL, and I haven't received a single email since Sept. 1st... trade offers, poll vote requests, etc. Not surprising IMO, and don't know how to fix it, but just FYI. 433 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 13:43 Let's play the games. Sheesh -- this is like a bunch of Middle schoolers... 434 boikin       ID: 532592112       Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 14:19 sorry wiggs I think I might have miss stated what I was trying to say, I was just thinking oh man MC was getting a way better trade than what I was offered so that alone was clouding my judgement and I think that is reason most people were protesting was they were like man why is MC getting this great deal and I am not. And in turn this why I did not vote. 435 I_AM_CANADIAN       Sustainer       ID: 01361448       Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 13:07 FYI - Listening to offers on RGIII or Matt Ryan... #1/#2 Overall FP producers... Looking for TOP TOP TIER WR. 436 Judy       ID: 54203110       Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 08:47 How does the IR work in this league? Never been in a league with one. Thanks. 437 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Oct 07, 2012, 13:05 Bye players should lock at the start of early games on Sundays. So dumb that they don't. 438 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Oct 07, 2012, 21:09 Oof, what a terrible week. 439 TB       ID: 451028614       Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 00:42 Looks like 8 teams will be at 5-5 after this week. RG14 parity. 440 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 21:29 Larry Foote is on the block for DL help. Chris Johnson is on the block for anyone who wants a migraine. 441 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 22:55 Can I put Cushing on IR? How? 442 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 23:05 Figured it out, but cannot put him on IR until NFL declares him as such. Seriously -- torn ACL -- - get on with it... 443 TB       ID: 451028614       Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 01:00 How do you do it? I looked around at the site but couldn't remember how. 444 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 01:05 For Owners > Injured Reserve. There's also a link under Franchise on the left. 445 Judy       ID: 54203110       Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 08:51 Also on the left of homepage under franchise-- last link. 446 Da Bomb       Donor       ID: 487112814       Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 12:11 Starks, Stephens-Howling and Powell all went for $12. Interesting. 447 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 13:09 Well, obviously 37 wasn't enough for Green. Since I missed him in another league as well, hope he sucks! 448 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 18:51 I paid $23 for Green in AAA#2. Mostly to keep him away from the others... 449 TB       ID: 451028614       Thu, Oct 11, 2012, 02:05 I bid $22 for him in a fleaflicker league and lost to a $27 bid, I bid 3 bucks for Jasper Brinkley and lost to a 5 dollar bid, and bid one buck on Nate Clements and lost to a 2 dollar bid (16 team league with 11 IDP starters per team with bye weeks depleting the available players) so my bids were off a little this week. 450 Guru       ID: 330592710       Thu, Oct 11, 2012, 10:35 Oof. Lost a close game this week based on a stat change. Mendenhall rushing TD was rescored as a passing TD, which gave extra pts to Big Ben. 451 wiggs       Leader       ID: 04991311       Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 10:14 such bad luck- last play of the game dumervile gets a sack and force fumble and I lose the game by 1 point. If rivers just throws the ball I win. ouch. 452 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 10:41 Wiggs I feel your pain. I lost in a 32 team league and blew my chance to be sitting in 1st in my division to that same play while watching it live. I knew it was coming. Would have won if Kaeding wasn't hurt too. Nothing like being one of the smart teams holding 2 kickers in a 32 team league only to have one on bye and the other hurt the week you barely lose. lol... 453 TB       ID: 45735270       Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 15:37 I made multiple claims this week to make sure I had a bye week replacements. Unless my math is off, I now have 25 people on my roster and should not have been awarded Derrick Morgan after my two empty slots were filled with Foote and Shaughnessy. I think he should be tossed back and I should get a $2.00 refund. 454 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 17:15 Apparently the roster size is set to 25. I know I didn't do that, so it must have been set wrong in the past and nobody ever noticed. I'll take care of that. 455 TB       ID: 451028614       Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 19:02 Thanks. 456 TB       ID: 451028614       Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 20:07 That MJD trade is really looking terrible now with the injury. I need a QB for this week. Anyone serviceable will do, but I will look at teams with a 2nd QB not on a bye and see if I can come up with some offers as well. 457 wiggs       Leader       ID: 04991311       Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 20:45 Thanks TB- I didnt realize just how much that hurt me. Too bad I couldnt see the future 458 TB on EVO       ID: 366292620       Wed, Oct 24, 2012, 16:27 Sorry wiggs, I know it is disappointing for you. My mouth often runs well before my brain engages. 459 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 18:55 whine mode ON: 2 weeks, 2 top LBs out for the season from my team! whine mode OFF: 460 TB       ID: 451028614       Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 21:20 I will see your two LB and raise you a RB and DB (lost from my RIFC team): Benson, Webb, Lee, and Beason. 461 The Beezer       ID: 96572318       Sun, Nov 04, 2012, 20:48 Aaaaaaand Doug Martin may have just sent me into fire-sale mode. We shall see. 462 Mötley Crüe       ID: 358142722       Fri, Nov 09, 2012, 21:36 Trade happened today. Mötley Crüe gave up Cadet, Travaris NOS RB;Peterson, Adrian MIN RB;Jennings, Greg GBP WR Beezer's Heinz 57s gave up Brown, Andre NYG RB;Johnson, Chris TEN RB;Decker, Eric DEN WR 463 TB       ID: 451028614       Sat, Nov 10, 2012, 00:27 Congrats to you both. Nice trade. 464 boikin       ID: 532592112       Thu, Nov 15, 2012, 12:08 I am offering up waiver wire cash for trade. will take current players or future picks. 466 Judy       ID: 54203110       Tue, Nov 20, 2012, 22:28 Crumbs. I wanted to bid an amount with cents in it like $7.01 -- I can in AAA.... That's a bummer... 467 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, Nov 21, 2012, 03:59 Your AAA league isn't set up properly. Bid increments are supposed to be $1. 468 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Wed, Nov 21, 2012, 19:17 i actually like it this way better. I had better be in the top 6 as my total points won't cut it... 469 Judy       ID: 54203110       Wed, Nov 21, 2012, 20:36 I wondered who would pick up turbin...hasn't done much...and I needed a wide... 470 Judy       ID: 54203110       Wed, Nov 21, 2012, 20:36 468 by this way, I meant with the cents option... 471 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sun, Nov 25, 2012, 16:02 Oops -- left Julio on the bench... 472 Doug       ID: 1010532211       Wed, Nov 28, 2012, 05:30 FYI, we have a potential issue next week where Wiggs and/or Beezer might qualify for the 7/8 playoff spots based on points scored... but also be in the bottom 4 based on W/L % which puts them in the Toilet Bowl as well. Is that a desired outcome (that a team can play in both brackets simultaneously), and will the site support it? 473 Mötley Crüe       ID: 358142722       Wed, Nov 28, 2012, 06:12 Trade deadline is noon today. 474 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Wed, Nov 28, 2012, 09:29 site will support anything you want to do...regarding playoffs.. check out the AAA#2 site for additional info regarding playoffs we are using. Everyone gets at least two games. They should only get to play in one bracket. I would assume they will choose the championship one. 475 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Sun, Dec 02, 2012, 21:57 I'd definitely rather play for the title than the first pick. Doesn't make sense to have one team in two different playoffs. 476 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 21:36 It seems we never officially decided on how playoff blind bidding would be handled. RIFC is granting the top seed $16, second $14, all the way down to $2 for eighth. We will do the same since I mentioned it earlier and I don't think any opposition was raised. The second issue is regarding allowing QB/RB/WR to be picked up during the playoffs since RIFC is now allowing it. Players picked up during the playoffs are not eligible to be kept still. I'm not sure I actually raised this issue earlier since it slipped my mind. I would say to follow suit with RIFC and allow the playoff teams to pick up those positions, especially since they are not able to be kept. For this I'd rather hear some feedback first. Lastly, I'm going to lock all teams from making any moves for now and will allow the playoff teams to make moves once they are officially determined. 477 Da Bomb       Donor       ID: 487112814       Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 21:55 I've been playing under the assumption that we'd be mirroring RIFC rules for the above two issues. 478 The Beezer       ID: 551120321       Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 22:20 I agree with Da Bomb. 479 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 23:02 I agree also, especially since anyone picked up during the playoffs is not able to be kept next year. 480 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 13:54 I filled in the playoff brackets, hopefully everything is correct. Seeds 1-4 are by record and 5-8 are by points. That is how it looks like it was done last year. I wasn't entirely sure since I don't remember and the rules don't actually state this. I'm also not entirely sure about the toilet bowl seedings. Rules state it is based on W/L, which last year's seedings can't really confirm since the W/L also matched points and could have been seeded by either. I seeded this year's based on W/L. Lastly, I don't remember and can't find anything about the 2 teams left out of the playoffs and toilet bowl. I don't think we ever decided on having them participate, but did make sure they aren't passed in draft order by any playoff team. If something isn't correct, please let me know so I can fix it. Also, playoff teams should now be able to add/drop players as well as make blind bids. You can add/drop ALL positions. There is no restriction on QB/RB/WR. 481 Judy       ID: 54203110       Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 17:49 Take a look at the AAA#2 playoffs. There is a plate for first round losers and a 3/4 and 7/8 playoff in the championship tournament. For the consolations use all 6 team, keep three winners and the hi point loser. The two low point losers play off for places 13/14 (in the tournament). Reseed the consolation by first round points. Losers in second round play off for places 11/12. Winners play off for 9/10. This gives everyone at least two more weeks. And will give a 1-14 tournament ranking. 482 mjd       Leader       ID: 501381415       Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 18:19 That'd be fine Judy, except the majority of us have a problem with a 9/10 team (who may have just missed the playoffs) winning the Toilet Bowl and the 1st pick every round of the next year's draft. This is something we as a league have debated ad-nausium and there seems to be no agreeable solution. 483 Judy       ID: 54203110       Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 18:39 What if the draft order was based on standings for the non championship teams? In other words, the consolation is just for fun not draft position. Sort of a what if tournament. 484 Doug       ID: 1010532211       Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 18:43 The rules state that 1-6 are by record and 7/8 are by points. Tiebreakers for teams with same record are H2H and then points. That would make it 1. Da Bomb (19-7, 2-0 H2H) 2. Rotoguru (19-7, 0-2 H2H) 3. Bonka (16-10) 4. Oaktown (14-12, 4-2 H2H) 5. IAC (14-12, 3-3 H2H, 1776 pts) 6. Ghostwood (14-12, 3-3 H2H, 1698 pts) 7. Wiggs (1766 pts) 8. Beezer (1752 pts) Same 8 teams, just seeded differently than how it is now. I do wish toilet bowl was based on low PF rather than seed (or combo, like the main bracket)... there's teams in there who outscored me by 50+ and 100+ this year... I just had some lucky draws W-L record wise, but unlucky as far as next year's draft goes. C'est la vie! 485 Judy       ID: 54203110       Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 18:52 Doug I think there was a chage if we are following rifc. Seedings for 5-8 are by points, so I am, indeed, the #8 seed... 486 Guru       ID: 330592710       Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 14:41 Seeding of 5-8 based on points was an RIFC change last year. I don't recall if we did it that way in this league or not. Eliminating H2H as a tiebreaker was implemented this year (in the RIFC). 487 Guru       ID: 330592710       Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 14:44 [483] Judy, the reason we don't do that (anymore) is to eliminate any incentive for weaker teams to tank at the end of the regular season in order to secure a better draft position. Allowing the bottom four teams to playoff for the top draft pick provides an incentive for those teams to continue to try to improve throughout. This was a very intentional change made several years ago. 488 Judy       ID: 54203110       Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 14:55 Ah. Good point. Still learning the ropes of this league. 489 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 13:27 I like how I'm the one stuck playing AP when he blows up in the playoffs after he was involved in that TERRIBLE trade then moved again. And yes, it's confirmed, that trade was awful, as expected. At least he's blowing up for me in a money league. 490 wiggs       ID: 221138912       Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 13:38 Bonka- yeah because you can predict an injury. You are completely ridiculous to bring this out again. The trade ended up being bad because MJD got hurt. Who knows what would have happened if he didnt. 491 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 14:02 Exactly the reason you don't give 2 quality RBs for 1. That was basically my whole point from the start. What happened only proved it, so I'd say it's not ridiculous to point it out. 492 wiggs       ID: 221138912       Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 14:06 ya you are ridiculous- its pretty much a dick move to even bring it back up again. If MJD had an MJD type season it would have been a fine trade. I am not going to continue to defend the trade, but i will say I have lost alot of respect for you for continuing to bring it up. 493 Doug       ID: 1010532211       Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 14:53 Re: 485, I'm just going based on the rules listed on our website. Seems odd not to follow our own rules just because some other league changed theirs. Re: 487, I'm still wondering if we shouldn't treat toilet bowl with similar logic to the main playoffs in the future... worst 2 records and then 2 lowest PFs after that, etc. 494 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 15:14 The rules will have to be updated. Like I said, I checked the seeding from last year and it was consistent with how this year's is seeded. 495 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 17:24 My team picked a good week to put up probably my 2nd worst score all season. Only had 1 week under 128. So much for consistency. 496 wiggs       ID: 221138912       Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 21:31 my team no showed today. good luck to those who won. 497 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 23:40 Up 18 with Brady vs mccourty...here's hoping... 498 I_AM_CANADIAN       Sustainer       ID: 01361448       Mon, Dec 10, 2012, 10:24 Ah... Looking like a Judy vs IAC semi-final? My hopes for that 3rd Championship are still alive. :) 499 Judy       ID: 54203110       Mon, Dec 10, 2012, 13:34 I am sure looking better here than in AAA... 500 Judy       ID: 54203110       Mon, Dec 10, 2012, 18:01 How appropriate Jared cook suffers season ending rotator cuff injury. I am 11 days post op myself. 502 Judy       ID: 54203110       Mon, Dec 10, 2012, 22:01 Need Ridley to step up... 503 Judy       ID: 54203110       Mon, Dec 10, 2012, 22:24 Anyone know the definition of a QB "hit". Is it a touch or does theQB need to go to the ground? 504 Judy       ID: 54203110       Mon, Dec 10, 2012, 22:30 Ridley wherefore art thou? 505 Judy       ID: 54203110       Mon, Dec 10, 2012, 23:18 Overnight stats are gonna decide the mjd / ghostie match. 506 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 00:08 Think you're in the wrong thread Judy :) 507 Judy       ID: 54203110       Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 09:01 Oops. You are right. Aaa#2 was a nail biter... 508 Judy       ID: 54203110       Wed, Dec 12, 2012, 15:47 I will again be running the playoff game by MFL. The basic rule is that you can use each player (QB, RB, WR, TE, K, DST once over the course of the playoffs. So. For example, if you use both Brady and Rodgers in their first games you cannot use them again and might be without a QB for the super Bowl. So ya gotta plan. I will send out my info when our fantasy season is over, but wanted you to know that your fantasy fix can continue! Watch this space for announcements. Last year I think we had ~ 20 teams (you can have two!) 509 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 20:57 Good luck Judy in the finals. I am thrilled to have made it this far, but I'd really like one more win. I'm in one other league final where I am going against Peterson, but I'm still hoping for a big game. 510 Judy       ID: 54203110       Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 22:38 Game on beezer! May the luckiest team win!!! Is this the first time we have been in a league together??? 511 I_AM_CANADIAN       Sustainer       ID: 01361448       Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 08:20 Congrats on the win Judy! My 3rd championship won't be coming this year. :( 512 The Beezer       ID: 0944216       Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 12:25 I think so, Judy. And it just goes to show how fast things can change, even in a keeper league. I think our teams were in the bottom 2 spots just a couple of seasons ago. 513 Judy       ID: 54203110       Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 21:03 That must have been the one year I made it to the big boys and my top draft picks all got injured and I finished I dead last, the worse showing in any rifc league... 514 The Beezer       Dude       ID: 191202817       Sun, Dec 23, 2012, 09:30 Not a great start by Tony G. In this game, the G stood for "Gonna be tough to overcome". 515 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sun, Dec 23, 2012, 12:22 Hanson almost matched Julio though... 516 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sun, Dec 23, 2012, 14:06 What's with Brady??? Teo more INT's. 517 The Beezer       ID: 96572318       Sun, Dec 23, 2012, 21:30 Congrats Judy! 518 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sun, Dec 23, 2012, 21:49 Thanks Beez. It was a nice playoff run. I think I have my 2013 keepers picked already... Based on this run... Regular season was OK. Luck of the weeky matchup draws (bad for you) had you in 11th place but in on points. Nicely done to you as well! 519 I_AM_CANADIAN       Sustainer       ID: 01361448       Mon, Dec 24, 2012, 09:03 Congrats Judy! 520 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Mon, Dec 24, 2012, 12:06 Congrats Judy. 521 Da Bomb       Donor       ID: 487112814       Thu, Dec 27, 2012, 12:24 Congrats to the champ. Funny how her season started with a "mistake" trade by losing her 1st round pick. That's fantasy football. I'm pleased with the strides my team made this year as I finished 2nd in the regular season, though bummed I didn't make it out of the semis - especially after 1st place Guru lost in the opening round, which made the potential path to the championship a little easier. I had a really solid draft getting Doug Martin and Dez Bryant in the first 2 rounds, and Peyton in the 5th. Looking forward to next year. 522 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Fri, Dec 28, 2012, 04:28 Since you mentioned Dez, I'm now hating myself for taking Nicks over him. I was between the two of them and went Nicks, since I'm heavily invested in Dez across my other leagues, to change it up. Not looking so good now. Could have a murderers row at WR, which is what I thought I'd have this year. 523 judy       Dude       ID: 7771722       Tue, Jan 01, 2013, 12:14 The 2012 MFL NFL Playoff Challenge is up and running. The basic rule is that you can use each player (QB, RB, WR, TE, K, DST only once over the course of the playoffs. So. For example, if you use both Brady and Rodgers in their first games you cannot use them again and might be without a QB for the super Bowl. So ya gotta plan. Invitations to last year's managers were sent out today. If you do not want to play this year, please let me know and I will delete your team(s). If you have (non RIFC) friends who want to play, have them email me (swimichel@mac.com) and I will send out an invitation. You can have up to two teams! Last year's winner was Promizedawgs, with s_R second and Crabby Bills came in third. 524 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Wed, May 29, 2013, 16:22 Same deal this year, if we want to use MFL the cheapest price runs out on June 12th and would need to be paid before then. $69.99 but can save $10 or $20 with multiple leagues and/or using an old promo (not sure if they can be combined). 525 Guru       ID: 330592710       Thu, May 30, 2013, 09:22 I'll be renewing the RIFC leagues by June 12. I could renew this league along with them, I think. 526 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Thu, May 30, 2013, 11:48 Try using this link http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2008/referral?BY=fbg and accessing the leagues through the my leagues menu on top and see if it gives you an extra $10 off. 527 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Thu, May 30, 2013, 11:50 Forgot to mention, I'm in for paying my share of the MFL fees ($4-$5) for this year. Hopefully everyone else can do the same. 528 Guru       ID: 330592710       Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 13:21 Just renewed. Cost $59.95. The FBG discount was the same as the multi-league discount, but they weren't additive. Cost per team is thus $4.29. If you use paypal, send to davehall@rotoguru2.com, make it a personal payment owed, and note "Keeper 14 league" If you prefer to mail a check, then send it to the address at the bottom of this page: http://rotoguru2.com/gurupatron-info.html 529 Bonka       Sustainer       ID: 019742310       Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 16:05 Thanks Guru. Will send via paypal after posting this. 530 Mötley Crüe       ID: 24514308       Sun, Jun 30, 2013, 09:14 Folks, I'm going to drop out of the RG Keeper 14. This was the only league I played in last year, so the decline has been happening for me for a while. I'm just not as interested as I once was. The competition has been greatly appreciated, and also really enjoyable. Good luck keeping it going. The format is really great and I've been proud to be a part of it. My apologies in advance to my successor for the moment of madness that led me to trade away Adrian Peterson. 531 Joey       ID: 36634921       Tue, Jul 09, 2013, 22:34 I would gladly take Mötley's place. 532 mjd       Dude       ID: 501381415       Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 17:52 New email addy 533 GoatLocker       Leader       ID: 060151121       Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 19:43 Dave, I'll get money to you in the next week or so. 534 TB       ID: 27329280       Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 21:16 I will be dropping out this year as well. Just don't have time for fantasy sports these days and barely the time to watch and keep up with sports. 535 Jseth33       ID: 416202216       Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 17:23 Interested in joining if a spot is available. 536 Judy       ID: 54203110       Sat, Jul 27, 2013, 18:06 Maclin out with ACL. darn... 537 Wg       ID: 552431321       Sat, Jul 27, 2013, 18:37 Also interested if there's room 538 Doug       ID: 146192920       Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 21:21 Payment sent RotoGuru Football Leagues & Standings View the Forum Registry XML Get RSS Feed for this thread Self-edit this thread Index of Forum Topics Baseball Forum   Baseball Leagues   Baseball Standings   Grand Slam Baseball Golf Forum Soccer Forum Football Forum   Football Leagues   Football Standings   Aussie Rules Basketball Forum   Basketball Leagues   Basketball Standings   Market Madness Hockey Forum   Hockey Leagues   Hockey Standings Auto Racing Forum General Fantasy Sports Politics Gaming and Entertainment Simulation Sports Horse Racing Computer Daily Blurbs Forum Developments Forum Standards Other Football Pages Support a Sponsor RotoGuru Store RotoGuru Hall of Fame Self-Edit GuruPatron Validation RotoGuru Blurbs     NFL Schedule     Sortable Stats     Player Lookup     Assimilator Football News     Sporting News     Kafenatid.net     KFFL     RotoTimes     RotoWorld     RotoWire     IDP Guru Scoreboards     ESPN     NFL.com     Yahoo! 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