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Subject: 2014 AA
Posted by: wolfer
- [566172420] Thu, Jul 31, 2014, 19:01
Welcome to those who are in this league. We have some of the same cast of characters and we also have some newbies. This should be another great year.
A house claning thing at the start. We have the option on what type of waiver system to implement, either traditional or blind bidding (what is used in the RIFC). Since there are an odd number of manangers, I will let the group decide. |
| 1 | Slowhand
ID: 526213119
Thu, Jul 31, 2014, 20:21
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I prefer the blind bidding.
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| 2 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 01, 2014, 10:58
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To provide some additional background on waivers...
The RIFC and the AAA leagues use a conditional blind bidding waiver method. Each week, all free agents are subject to a blind bidding waiver process. Each manager starts the season with $100 to spend over the course of the season, and can use those funds to bid on one or more free agents. Conditional bidding allows for more complex bidding by structuring bids in groups, with (no more than) one bid being filled in each group. For more details, see the related help page at the hosting site.
The "traditional" waiver process simply assigns a waiver priority to each team at the beginning of the season (typically the reverse of the draft selection order). Each week, waiver claims can be submitted for all free agents. The team with the highest priority gets the first claim. Whenever a claim is awarded, that team then moves to the bottom of the list. Priorities carry over from week to week, so if you were the last team to be awarded a waiver claim in week #1, you'll start off week #2 with the lowest priority.
Because many AA managers are new to the RIFC format and/or new to the myfantasyleague.com hosting system, we offered the opportunity for this league to use the traditional method, just to help alleviate the learning curve. Last year, the AA league did choose to use traditional waivers.
Some managers find the blind bidding process to be the fairest and most strategic. Some find it to be unduly complicated and frustrating.
In either case, once the waiver claims process is held (typically Wednesday at noon), all free agents are released and can then be added first come, first served - without any impact to waiver priorities.
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| 3 | Perm Dude
ID: 586411123
Sun, Aug 03, 2014, 20:57
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Put me in the "unduly complicated and frustrating" camp, so I vote for the traditional method.
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| 4 | Perm Dude
ID: 586411123
Sun, Aug 03, 2014, 20:58
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Are league invites for myfantasyleague.com still to come?
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| 5 | wolfer
ID: 59724420
Mon, Aug 04, 2014, 21:27
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I will resend.
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| 6 | wolfer
ID: 59724420
Mon, Aug 04, 2014, 21:37
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Perm Dude,
I seeing that you already accepted the invite..........
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| 7 | Perm Dude
ID: 431013412
Mon, Aug 04, 2014, 22:25
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I'm in.
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| 8 | Gmoney
ID: 179591814
Sun, Aug 10, 2014, 10:23
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Hey all,
Crazy couple weeks at work so I have been out of touch. I'm logged in to myfantasyleague.com now. I have found this thread but wondering about draft plan details (when, what process). Can someone direct me to where I can read more about that. On vacation now
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| 9 | wolfer
ID: 197121020
Sun, Aug 10, 2014, 21:12
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Email sent for updates................
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| 10 | Woody
ID: 466266
Sun, Aug 10, 2014, 23:13
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I like the traditional
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| 11 | Joey the graham crac
ID: 28781023
Mon, Aug 11, 2014, 00:08
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Blind bidding
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| 12 | wolfer
ID: 31756119
Mon, Aug 11, 2014, 10:56
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so its 2-2........
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| 13 | Vampire Weekend
ID: 07431111
Mon, Aug 11, 2014, 12:43
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Blind bidding
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| 14 | Sherwin
ID: 566492820
Mon, Aug 11, 2014, 17:43
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Let the money talk, blind-bidding.
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| 15 | marbam50
ID: 127521118
Mon, Aug 11, 2014, 19:52
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In the leagues that I have been in, we have always used traditional.
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| 16 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Aug 12, 2014, 14:12
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I am ok with however we do this.
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| 17 | wolfer
ID: 31756119
Wed, Aug 13, 2014, 08:08
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Deepsnapper has yet to sign in yet.
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| 18 | artofmonk
ID: 40825312
Wed, Aug 13, 2014, 10:38
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glad to be in the league.
I would prefer traditional bidding, but not a big deal either way. Just curious how does blind-bidding work when two managers or three have the same high bid.
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| 19 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 13, 2014, 20:46
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[18] ties are broken by standings (worst to first winning %), then points scored (worst to first), then head-to-head.
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| 20 | Gmoney
ID: 07191320
Wed, Aug 13, 2014, 21:19
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Bidding. No need to reward sucking even if it's me
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| 21 | wolfer
ID: 197121020
Wed, Aug 13, 2014, 21:21
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After consulting with Guru, it was decided that the this league needs to go on with the next step, the selection of draft order. For those who are new to the RIFC, the managers get to decide which spot in the draft order that they want to pick from. Normally, I would ask for two sets of random numbers, however, we use the draft order generator that is on the MFL site.
The other housekeeping item before we start with this is that since deepsnapper has yet to show, he will get the 14th or last spot that is left. All that being said, here is the order in which we select the draft position...
1.01 Kwame
1.02 the fighting sam druckers
1.03 marbam50
1.04 artofmonk
1.05 Woody
1.06 Dat Boot
1.07 Bean's Buckeyes
1.08 Burnsballs
1.09 Diamondback190
1.10 Perm Dude
1.11 The Graham Crackerz
1.12 Gmoney
1.13 Vampire Weekend
1.14 deepsnapper
Kwame gets to choose first. When you make your selection,as well as the type of waivers, please copy and paste the entire updated order. If possible, notify the next manager that it is his turn to pick.
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| 22 | deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Wed, Aug 13, 2014, 23:49
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I am sorry to resign from the leage, surgery complicatrions with my foot will require an additional hospital stay and long term treatment. I cannot access my PC from there (interference). Didn't know the hosp. was flying, but thats the policy. I am truely disappointed in the outcome and regret resigning.
Peace to all,
Roy aka deepsnapper
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| 23 | deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Wed, Aug 13, 2014, 23:51
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Sorry wolfer, you have a great league looking in.
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| 24 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 14, 2014, 08:14
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I want to clarify that this league uses a "Bonzai" style draft, which is a regular snake draft except that the 3rd round is reversed. So the team picking first overall picks last in rounds 2, 3, and 4. From that point on, it works as a regular snake draft.
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| 25 | Dat Boot
ID: 55718147
Thu, Aug 14, 2014, 08:19
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Sounds good to me. Blind bidding is cool.
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| 26 | artofmonk
ID: 40825312
Thu, Aug 14, 2014, 10:00
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guru thank you for the draft clarification. Now I understand why I see so many teams taking draft slots at the end of the draft.
I think I understand the blind bidding process now, it is just for FA pick ups during the week. Just for clarification blind bids need to be entered before noon on Wednesday, I am I to assume that is EST? All other FA will be able to picked up immediately, but still at a cost of $1 bid, I assume. All dropped players do they have a waiting period of 2 days, so they could be picked up friday at noon and once again you would need to pay at least $1.
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| 27 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 14, 2014, 10:29
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Blind bidding (or traditional waivers) only applies to the noon Wednesday waiver process. All unrostered players are subject to that claiming process. After that, free agents can be added first come, first served without cost.
Last year, we did not lock dropped players, so they were free to add without a waiting period. We did this to prevent owners from being able to "protect" free agents from other teams by dropping them within a "lockout" window of game time.
We may adjust the timing of the waiver claiming this year. Last year, it was done at noon EST Wednesday, with FCFS free agent pickups starting 3 hours later. I'm likely to push back both of those times to later in the day on Wednesday this year.
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| 28 | BallsBurns
ID: 347111410
Thu, Aug 14, 2014, 11:11
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All the best deepsnapper.
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| 29 | Kwame Smith
ID: 77561413
Thu, Aug 14, 2014, 14:58
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Lesean McCoy
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| 30 | Kwame Smith
ID: 77561413
Thu, Aug 14, 2014, 14:59
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Bidding is fine with me
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| 31 | Vampire Weekend
ID: 567511414
Thu, Aug 14, 2014, 15:51
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Kwame - all your doing at this point is choosing your draft slot...where you want to draft...not a player...
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| 32 | wolfer
ID: 197121020
Thu, Aug 14, 2014, 17:39
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As we are drafting on the mfl website.
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| 33 | holt
ID: 38338181
Thu, Aug 14, 2014, 21:44
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I'm going to help Dustin out a bit as far as acclimating to the forum and league site goes (Deepsnapper's replacement). Just curious if you will be doing a new random set. Not a huge deal but seems a bit unfair to give him the 14th selection while the other 13 were randomized.
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| 34 | Kwame Smith
ID: 77561413
Fri, Aug 15, 2014, 01:01
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First
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| 35 | Promize
ID: 20683013
Fri, Aug 15, 2014, 06:59
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Just wanted to step in, since Kwame is new to the website and the league.
Not sure he understands the Banzai style draft. Can you hold on for a moment while I send him an email to explain it.
Let him rethink his pick.
GURU is this ok?
Thanks
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| 36 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 15, 2014, 08:15
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Since we are just getting started (and this is new for some managers), that's fine.
To all: please review post 24 regarding our draft ordering. The Banzai format has been measured over time to be the "fairest". That doesn't mean picking first is a bad thing; it just means that picking first is not as advantageous as in a traditional snake draft.
For our RIFC leagues, we go through a round where managers picks their draft sequence. That is what we're doing now. When we are finished with this process, we'll have the order of the first round settled - and by definition, the rest of the draft as well.
I had originally asked wolfer to put deepsnapper at the end of this draft selection round since he had yet to appear. However, since deepsnapper has withdrawn and we have a new manager in his place, it seems fair that we should revert to the original random draft order, which had that team in the #5 spot. So here is the order that teams will select their drafting sequence:
1 Kwame
2 the fighting sam druckers
3 marbam50
4 artofmonk
5 Black Rhinos
6 Woody
7 Dat Boot
8 Bean's Buckeyes
9 Burnsballs
10 Diamondback190
11 Perm Dude
12 The Graham Crackerz
13 Gmoney
14 Vampire Weekend
We'll await confirmation from Kwame (or promize) of his selection. At that point, we can continue with wolfer's pick.
Normally, we have a larger proportion of returning managers in this league, so our RIFC practices are better understood. This year, I think about half of the league is 1st time managers. Hopefully, the veterans can be helpful in providing procedural guidance as warranted.
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| 37 | wolfer
ID: 31756119
Fri, Aug 15, 2014, 08:16
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Kwame knows to check back in as he responded to my email last night.
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| 38 | Promize
ID: 20683013
Fri, Aug 15, 2014, 08:46
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I sent him an email with a couple articles about the draft style.
Also reminded him to read all of the rules on the league. Actually I have two friends in this league, so sent it to both.
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| 39 | Vampire Weekend
ID: 57757158
Fri, Aug 15, 2014, 09:58
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To speed this along, and after careful consideration, I will take the only draft spot remaining when it is my turn.
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| 40 | artofmonk
ID: 40825312
Fri, Aug 15, 2014, 14:36
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wow this very slow moving.
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| 41 | wolfer
ID: 197121020
Sat, Aug 16, 2014, 07:22
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per email.............
1. kwame, bidding
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14. wolfer, abstaining
Please also add your choice of waivers
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| 42 | marbam50
ID: 127521118
Sat, Aug 16, 2014, 11:19
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per email.............
1. kwame, bidding
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.marbam50, traditional
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14. wolfer, abstaining
Please also add your choice of waivers
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| 43 | Artofmonk
ID: 33250122
Sat, Aug 16, 2014, 17:43
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Sorry can't paste the order from my iPad.
Artofmonk will take the 10th spot. And bidding.
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| 44 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 16, 2014, 17:54
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1. kwame, bidding
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.marbam50, traditional
7.
8.
9.
10. Artofmonk, blind bidding
11.
12.
13.
14. wolfer, abstaining
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| 45 | Rhinos
ID: 32711711
Sun, Aug 17, 2014, 12:02
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I will take the 12th spot in the draft.
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| 46 | Rhinos
ID: 32711711
Sun, Aug 17, 2014, 12:04
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1. kwame, bidding
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.marbam50, traditional
7.
8.
9.
10. Artofmonk, blind bidding
11.
12. Black Rhinos, traditional
13.
14. wolfer, abstaining
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| 47 | wolfer
ID: 197121020
Sun, Aug 17, 2014, 19:47
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email was sent to Woody.
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| 48 | Woody
ID: 97411721
Sun, Aug 17, 2014, 22:41
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I will take 7th pick and I like traditional
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| 49 | wolfer
ID: 31756119
Mon, Aug 18, 2014, 10:05
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1. kwame, bidding
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.marbam50, traditional
7. woody, traditional
8.
9.
10. Artofmonk, blind bidding
11.
12. Black Rhinos, traditional
13.
14. wolfer, abstaining
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| 50 | Dat Boot
ID: 55718147
Mon, Aug 18, 2014, 11:03
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1. kwame, bidding
2.
3.
4.
5.dat boot, bidding
6.marbam50, traditional
7. woody, traditional
8.
9.
10. Artofmonk, blind bidding
11.
12. Black Rhinos, traditional
13.
14. wolfer, abstaining
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| 51 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Aug 18, 2014, 15:00
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1. kwame, bidding
2. Bean's Buckeyes, traditional
3.
4.
5.dat boot, bidding
6.marbam50, traditional
7. woody, traditional
8.
9.
10. Artofmonk, blind bidding
11.
12. Black Rhinos, traditional
13.
14. wolfer, abstaining
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| 52 | Sherwin
ID: 457541814
Mon, Aug 18, 2014, 15:54
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I will take the 13th spot. Blind bidding
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| 53 | Burnsballs
ID: 457541814
Mon, Aug 18, 2014, 16:00
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I guessed I should have used my alias (-:
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| 54 | wolfer
ID: 197121020
Mon, Aug 18, 2014, 20:50
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1. kwame, bidding
2. Bean's Buckeyes, traditional
3.
4.
5.dat boot, bidding
6.marbam50, traditional
7. woody, traditional
8.
9.
10. Artofmonk, blind bidding
11.
12. Black Rhinos, traditional
13. Burnsballs, bidding
14. wolfer, abstaining
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| 55 | wolfer
ID: 197121020
Mon, Aug 18, 2014, 20:50
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1. kwame, bidding
2. Bean's Buckeyes, traditional
3.
4.
5.dat boot, bidding
6.marbam50, traditional
7. woody, traditional
8.
9.
10. Artofmonk, blind bidding
11.
12. Black Rhinos, traditional
13. Burnsballs, bidding
14. wolfer, abstaining
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| 56 | wolfer
ID: 197121020
Mon, Aug 18, 2014, 20:50
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1. kwame, bidding
2. Bean's Buckeyes, traditional
3.
4.
5.dat boot, bidding
6.marbam50, traditional
7. woody, traditional
8.
9.
10. Artofmonk, blind bidding
11.
12. Black Rhinos, traditional
13. Burnsballs, bidding
14. wolfer, abstaining
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| 57 | wolfer
ID: 31756119
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 09:43
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wow I posted that three times, anyhow per email:
1. kwame, bidding
2. Bean's Buckeyes, traditional
3.
4.
5.dat boot, bidding
6.marbam50, traditional
7. woody, traditional
8.
9. Diamondback 190, ?
10. Artofmonk, blind bidding
11.
12. Black Rhinos, traditional
13. Burnsballs, bidding
14. wolfer, abstaining
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| 58 | artofmonk
ID: 40825312
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 11:00
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are we starting the draft thursday?
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| 59 | wolfer
ID: 31756119
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 11:02
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trying to.
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| 60 | wolfer
ID: 31756119
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 11:05
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Or should I say no later than this weekend as the RIFC is starting this weekend. I also see that one of the AAA leagues is in the same boat as us - determining draft order.
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| 61 | artofmonk
ID: 40825312
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 12:33
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Just was checking. We certainly can get the last three teams to determine their draft slots before Thursday.
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| 62 | Gmoney
ID: 179591814
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 16:06
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I keep checking in once a day.
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| 63 | Perm Dude
ID: 586411123
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 18:09
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1. kwame, bidding
2. Bean's Buckeyes, traditional
3. Perm Dude, traditional
4.
5.dat boot, bidding
6.marbam50, traditional
7. woody, traditional
8.
9. Diamondback 190, ?
10. Artofmonk, blind bidding
11.
12. Black Rhinos, traditional
13. Burnsballs, bidding
14. wolfer, abstaining
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| 64 | joey aka TGC
ID: 377271921
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 22:38
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1. kwame, bidding
2. Bean's Buckeyes, traditional
3. Perm Dude, traditional
4.
5.dat boot, bidding
6.marbam50, traditional
7. woody, traditional
8.The Graham Crackerz, Bidding
9. Diamondback 190, ?
10. Artofmonk, blind bidding
11.
12. Black Rhinos, traditional
13. Burnsballs, bidding
14. wolfer, abstaining
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| 65 | Diamondback190
ID: 19753201
Wed, Aug 20, 2014, 02:53
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Sorry...blind bidding sounds good to me, as well.
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| 66 | wolfer
ID: 31756119
Wed, Aug 20, 2014, 08:31
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1. kwame, bidding
2. Bean's Buckeyes, traditional
3. Perm Dude, traditional
4.
5.dat boot, bidding
6.marbam50, traditional
7. woody, traditional
8.The Graham Crackerz, Bidding
9. Diamondback 190, bidding
10. Artofmonk, blind bidding
11.
12. Black Rhinos, traditional
13. Burnsballs, bidding
14. wolfer, abstaining
So blind bidding is up 6-5.
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| 67 | Gmoney
ID: 179591814
Wed, Aug 20, 2014, 11:28
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I will take 4 and blind bidding
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| 68 | jseth333
ID: 557331920
Wed, Aug 20, 2014, 12:27
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1. kwame, bidding
2. Bean's Buckeyes, traditional
3. Perm Dude, traditional
4. Gmoney, bidding
5. dat boot, bidding
6. marbam50, traditional
7. woody, traditional
8.The Graham Crackerz, Bidding
9. Diamondback 190, bidding
10. Artofmonk, blind bidding
11. VampireWeekend, bidding
12. Black Rhinos, traditional
13. Burnsballs, bidding
14. wolfer, abstaining
And we are done and blind bidding prevails...
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| 69 | wolfer
ID: 31756119
Wed, Aug 20, 2014, 13:08
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I will try to adjust the order tonight and we can start Thursday.
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| 70 | rhinos
ID: 97462118
Thu, Aug 21, 2014, 19:46
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are we drafting now?
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| 71 | Kwame
ID: 36732119
Thu, Aug 21, 2014, 20:03
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When are we starting
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| 72 | Perm Dude
ID: 586411123
Fri, Aug 22, 2014, 11:42
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Three picks? We should be in the second round now, fellas.
Let's get moving--the weekend is almost upon us: League draft page
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| 73 | Gmoney
ID: 179591814
Fri, Aug 22, 2014, 12:07
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How do u submit a pick?
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| 74 | Perm Dude
ID: 586411123
Fri, Aug 22, 2014, 12:11
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I think the easiest way is to use the Predraft page. If you have one guy, just choose him from the pulldown menu, then save the list.
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| 75 | Gmoney
ID: 07191320
Fri, Aug 22, 2014, 12:14
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Ok thx doing it now
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| 76 | wolfer
ID: 31756119
Mon, Aug 25, 2014, 13:56
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Guys,
check your email.
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| 77 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 25, 2014, 16:40
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I think the draft glitch has been resolved. A couple of the players who were "overdrafted" may have disappeared from managers' pre-ranked lists, so you may need to look at ADP rankings to find and draft them.
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| 78 | Diamondback190
ID: 19753201
Thu, Aug 28, 2014, 16:47
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having problems posting....test
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| 79 | holt
ID: 38338181
Fri, Aug 29, 2014, 17:28
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I know there are some new players here. Over on the main Football board you can see other RIFC discussion threads, including draft rationales. Just wanted you to know that there is stuff on these message boards other than what you see in the Football Leagues & Standings area.
Rotoguru Football Forum
Also, here's a link where you can see how the other three RIFC drafts are going:
RIFC Drafts
Also a heads up, if you are into hoops or baseball, there are also invitational leagues for those (RIBC & RIHC).
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| 80 | Diamondback190
ID: 19753201
Sat, Aug 30, 2014, 16:37
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How long was the timer supposed to be? I thought 4 hours? I went to bed 6 hours ago and there was 9 picks ahead of me...not sure how that worked!
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| 81 | VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Sun, Aug 31, 2014, 23:23
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Can I get Ronnie Hillman RB, Denver for my expired pick please - sorry about that - got caught out very unexpectedly
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| 82 | VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Mon, Sep 01, 2014, 10:59
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Commissioner - are you out there?
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| 83 | Diamondback190
ID: 19753201
Wed, Sep 03, 2014, 03:40
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I want to clarify the blind bidding on waiver pickups before Wednesdays. How many dollars do we 'start' with. After the Wednesday deadline, if I'm reading the thread correctly, we will still be charge $1 for FA pickups.
Please correct me if I am wrong on this assumption.
Cheers,
Diamondback190
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| 84 | holt
ID: 38338181
Wed, Sep 03, 2014, 04:38
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The bids only get run once per week. After that any player you pick up is first come first served, no charge to your bidding dollars.
Here's the official rule:
All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at 7:30pm ET on Wednesday, using a blind bidding process. Each team will be allocated a budget for the regular season of $100, with a minimum bid of $1. Ties will be broken in favor of the current standings (with applicable tiebreakers), worst-to-first. For 2014, blind bidding will use the conditional setup at MFL.
Starting at 10:30pm ET on each Wednesday, all free agents may be picked up by any team "first come, first served" Dropped players will not be subject to a one day waiver period.
During the postseason (weeks 14-16), the waiver schedule will be pushed back to Thursday so that any stats corrections (which might conceivably impact playoff results from the prior weekend) can be processed. For surviving teams in the championship bracket, blind bidding will take place at 3pm ET on Thursday, with free agents released for FCFS pickup at 6pm ET.
Immediately following the draft, undrafted players will be subject to a priority claiming process (blind bidding), with tiebreaking priorities equal to the reverse of the draft selection order (i.e, the order in which team selected their draft sequence.)
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| 85 | VampireWeekend
ID: 41853821
Mon, Sep 08, 2014, 22:54
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Fair warning...I am bidding $1 on justin forsett
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| 86 | holt
ID: 38338181
Wed, Sep 10, 2014, 18:34
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Kind of late, but just a reminder. If you want to claim multiple players, you should set up multiple rounds. Refer to the RIFC thread in the Football Forum for an example.
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| 87 | Perm Dude
ID: 431013412
Sun, Sep 14, 2014, 21:31
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Very lucky this week--I thought I'd be dead in the water without Adrian P.
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| 88 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 22, 2014, 20:54
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I started a new thread for generic rotoguru football commentaries:
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1114#1411436973
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| 89 | Gmoney
ID: 179591814
Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 17:38
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I thought perm and I made a trade Cobb for Martin. What is the deal with that? I still have Martin and no Cobb. It shows in the transactions that I accepted it but it has not gone through
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| 90 | Perm Dude
ID: 431013412
Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 23:07
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I didn't get any acceptance on my end, nor any rejection. Weird. Can the commish push this through?
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| 91 | Perm Dude
ID: 431013412
Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 23:30
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I put the offer out again.
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| 92 | Gmoney
ID: 5795926
Thu, Oct 02, 2014, 08:00
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k, I accepted it again.
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| 93 | Perm Dude
ID: 431013412
Thu, Oct 02, 2014, 09:46
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thanks, wolfer
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| 94 | Bean
ID: 1696920
Wed, Oct 22, 2014, 22:22
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What time does the Wednesday 9:30PM FCFS Waiver period actually begin? What time zone?
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| 95 | Bean
ID: 1696920
Thu, Oct 23, 2014, 01:12
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NM, seems its Pacific time
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