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Subject: G24 2014 Two additional Votes on DST
Posted by: Ref
- [55156513] Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 10:17
There is enough support to ask for two more votes. Please vote Yes or No for these two questions. If you haven't already voted on our other vote, please do so immediately so we can close it.
1. Would you like for points scored against your teams' D/ST not to count if the points scored were on a play from that team's Offense or Special Teams? In other words, if you have the Browns D/ST and the Browns' QB throws a pick 6 it currently counts against your DST even though they were not even on the field. This change would eliminate those points against your DST. need 13 Yes votes to pass.
2. Eliminate the DST altogether and replace it with a flex IDP position. You would get time to replace your keepers obviously if you have kept a DST. This would need 16 votes to implement. |
| 1 | Doug
ID: 166331713
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 10:24
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1. Depends on what happens with the other vote... if the other vote is YES, then NO to this. If the other vote is NO, then YES to this.
2. NO
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| 2 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 10:27
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2. Yes
1. Yes if needed...
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| 3 | Promize
ID: 436423011
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 10:30
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1. Yes
2. Yes, either way is fine with me.
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| 4 | Building 7
ID: 2011541213
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 10:33
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1. Yes. My "DEF" threw a pick 6, 5 games in a row last year.
2. No, maybe for next year.
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| 5 | Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 10:34
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1. Yes
2. Yes
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| 6 | jseth333
ID: 15738199
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 10:38
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Yes
Yes
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| 7 | Slizz
ID: 306452010
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 10:42
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1. Yes
2. Yes - let's make it happen!
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| 8 | youngroman
ID: 57047243
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 10:45
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1. Yes
2. No
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| 9 | skinneej
ID: 14911313
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 11:06
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1. Yes
2. No
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| 10 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 11:10
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1. Yes
2. No
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| 11 | Toral
ID: 597171910
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 11:18
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1. Yes
2. No
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| 12 | Frick
ID: 17640169
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 11:35
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1. Yes
2. No
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| 13 | TD
ID: 6245199
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 11:36
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1. Yes
2. Yes
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| 14 | beastiemiked
ID: 457511911
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 12:51
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1. Yes
2. No
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| 15 | WG
ID: 552431321
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 12:54
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1. Yes
2. Yes
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| 16 | Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 13:03
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Question 1 has passed.
Question 2 is currently 6 Yes and 7 No
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| 17 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 13:13
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2. NO
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| 18 | Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 13:17
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Next No will end the vote (assuming no one changed a NO to yes first)
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| 19 | Valkyrie
ID: 12758217
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 13:18
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1 yes
2 No - we already voted on this next we will be voting that you have to play a Dteam but it's points don't count
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| 20 | CT
ID: 516361614
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 13:21
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1. yes
2. no
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| 21 | Valkyrie
ID: 12758217
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 13:21
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If we want to wipe out the teams and redraft the league I vote No on 2 as I suspect would quite a few others. Just can't change keeper rules midstream. No fair way to do it.
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| 22 | GO
ID: 20515299
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 13:33
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1. Yes
2. No
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| 23 | Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 14:24
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2 has failed. We still need votes on the question form a couple days ago.
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| 24 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 16:45
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While we are paying attention, how about this time change?
Would like to follow suit with RIFC and change the time waivers run each week.
Waivers would run at 7:30pm ET Wednesday and FCFS would open at 10:30pm ET Wednesday.
During the postseason (weeks 14-16), the waiver schedule will be pushed back to Thursday so that any stats corrections (which might conceivably impact playoff results from the prior weekend) can be processed. For surviving teams in the championship bracket, blind bidding will take place at 3pm ET on Thursday, with free agents released for FCFS pickup at 6pm ET.
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| 25 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 16:48
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This is what yr proposed: does this work if #1 passes?
just looked into the MFL rules and they support the option of only counting offensive + special team scoring, but not scoring after offensive turnovers:
In the For Commissioner > Setup > Custom Scoring System Setup you have three options:
1) Total Points Allowed: This is the total points scored against a team in a game. (This matches the scoreboard points at the end of a game).
2) Special Teams Points Against: This is the points scored against a team on Special Teams, which only includes points scored on Punt Returns and Kickoff Returns. It also includes any conversion points scored after the TD (extra point or a 2 Pt Conversion)
3) Offensive Points Against: This is the points scored against a team on Offense, which only includes points scored via Passing and Rushing TDs as well as Field Goals.
You can then individually use the Total Points Against or the Offensive Points Against categories or can combine "Offensive Points Against" + "Special Teams Points Against" scoring categories. You can hold the CTRL key down when highlighting both of these rules in the "Available Rules Column" and then click the "Add to Rules" to combine them to count as one rule.
combining option #2 and #3 is what I am thinking of.
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| 26 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 16:50
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Still need votes for changing values for total points and yardage...
It is here:
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1106&last=1408461201
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| 27 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 17:28
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Judy 25: Just #3 now, I believe. Special teams points against have been removed by vote.
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| 28 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 17:32
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Judy 24: I believe the commishes may set waiver times at their choice, Consultation is good, of course.
I myself would prefer that FCFS runs earlier than 10:30 PM. Even 9:30 would be I guess, OK. Or is that too early for folks on the Left Coast?
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| 29 | Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 17:41
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25 and 27 I think you are both saying the same thing.
The vote was based on YR's proposal. It is no longer total points scored against a team, but only if the offense scores on them. Therefore, if the D scores against that team's O, or a ST return for a TD happens against that team, it will not count. I also believe that resulting XPs following those plays will be discounted if I read YR's post correctly.
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| 30 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 17:57
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Ref: yr said "combining option #2 and #3 is what I am thinking of."(last line of the quoted post).
#2 is special teams points. They're gone now, by vote. That was my point.
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| 31 | youngroman
ID: 57047243
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 18:00
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regarding waiver timing:
I would be ok if FCFS after waivers would be as late as 7pm ET. If it is afterwards I am screwed because I am asleep. This means I would need to use waivers more often for my needs, which would also mean that I will be in the bottom third in most weeks which means that I will get way less valuable players in some weeks.
I may still be lucky and get 1 of the 3 LB's I am targeting when I wake up, but what are the odds for that? additionally it would be impossible to get a valuable player that got dropped by another team which could help my team.
I have no problem in RIFC because of the blind bidding process where I can use $1 amounts for players I target without losing too much. I just need to bid for more players than I used to.
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| 32 | youngroman
ID: 57047243
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 18:03
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Initially I assumed that DEF is meant as Defense and Special teams. Does the DEF get 6 pts for a kick return TD? if yes then my assumption was that they should also suffer if they give one up, because they are on the field at that time.
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| 33 | Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 18:24
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30: Toral you are correct.
32: That is not how I set up the vote? Did I misunderstand and do it wrong?
Waivers: Why would we change the existing times? Players unable to get to computer?
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| 34 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 18:26
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Ok, just tryng to clarify. It has been busy on this and our other threads!
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| 35 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 18:27
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33 . Yes for FCFS FA pick ups. Need to set time for that when most of elegies can get to computer...
Waivers not so important since there will be a pause between them and FCFS FA.
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| 36 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 20:18
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Now I am confused.
Our team def is DST -- defense and special teams, so yr proposal 2 and 3 are correct???
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| 37 | Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 20:21
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I set the vote just as Toral said. That was my understanding of the proposal.
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| 38 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 20:22
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I think it is both 2 and 3. We didn't remove DST points, we just said that INT or FR that were returned for a TD should NOt count against the DST since they were not on the field to prevent such an event.
Anyone else wanna come in with their understanding???
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| 39 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 20:23
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Judy: Special teams, #2, has been eliminated by the adoption of the mjd proposal to eliminate it -- see votmg thread.
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| 40 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 20:40
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No that's not what he said. He doesn't want DST penalized for offense mistakes. DST do allow TD's on ko and punt returns, kicking is all special teams!
12 mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Mon, Aug 18, 2014, 00:31 NO
As long as D/STs are still penalized for points that they didn't actually allow, (QB threw pick sixes and kick/punt returns for TDs, we should make no changes.
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| 42 | Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 21:35
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Toral is correct. That is what we voted on. I knew I framed that vote on a proposal, lol.
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| 43 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 21:56
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I agree with this example given:
1. Would you like for points scored against your teams' D/ST not to count if the points scored were on a play from that team's Offense or Special Teams? In other words, if you have the Browns D/ST and the Browns' QB throws a pick 6 it currently counts against your DST even though they were not even on the field. This change would eliminate those points against your DST. need 13 Yes votes to pass.
What I do not agree with and did not realize this proposal included this was to EXCLUDE points scored by special teams again special teams like kick off and punt return and blocked kick touchdowns,.
I would not have voted for it under that understanding,
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| 44 | Building 7
ID: 167151020
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 22:26
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It passed 17 to 1.
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| 45 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 23:00
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Yeah I know. I guess everyone else understood it better than me...
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| 46 | deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Thu, Aug 21, 2014, 17:11
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Duh?
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