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Subject: 2016 G24 PRE SEASON
Posted by: Judy
- [35493114] Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 16:22
Hi to all,
Now that the ASG is out of the way and there are fewer than 50 days until football, it is time to think about your commitment to G24 for the 2016 season.
Below please indicate whether you are IN or OUT.
Please also indicate your team.
If you are ready to offer trades, why, go right ahead!!!
If you are reading this and want to manage a team if there is a vacancy, please also indicate!!!
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| 1 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 16:31
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I'm in! And I'm open to any trades if someone wants to offer one up.
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| 2 | CT - Clev
ID: 466342115
Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 16:35
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I'm IN.
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| 3 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 16:36
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IN - Lions
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| 4 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 16:44
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IN - Saints.
Need a QB? Tyrod Taylor might be available for a high draft choice.
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| 5 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 16:45
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Kyle -- need your team please
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| 6 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 16:49
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Oh sorry, Colts.
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| 7 | TD
ID: 55540220
Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 17:23
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IN - Giants
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| 8 | youngroman
ID: 57047243
Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 17:45
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Bengals are in.
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| 9 | deepsanapper
ID: 206472117
Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 18:47
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Philadelphia Eagles are IN
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| 10 | Bmd
ID: 825715
Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 22:10
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Im out. Good luck to everyone.
Did last years prizes get paid out? I believe I had a small balance.
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| 11 | PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 22:14
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Dallas Cowboys are in!
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| 12 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 22:56
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BMD -- I will check and let you know after everyone has indicated in/out. If I forget remind me please.
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| 13 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 23:00
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FYI
2015 prize monies
$100. Oakland
$60. Bears, plus $10 bonus for best record
$42.50. NYG
$42.50. SD
$30. NOLA
$22.50. Houston
$17.50. Cincy
$15.00. Dallas
All in PayPal account. Once I bring separate spreadsheet up to date, I will let you know your current 2016 account information.
Since no one screamed for a payout, I left it all in the PayPal account.
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| 14 | GO
ID: 29613422
Fri, Jul 22, 2016, 00:12
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In, did I get a text from MFL? it looked like it but wasn't sure.
Contemplating selling Leveon for a package of decent scorers and/or high draft pick combo.
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| 15 | mjd
ID: 56311613
Fri, Jul 22, 2016, 11:08
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Chargers in.
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| 16 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Jul 22, 2016, 11:36
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GO
Yes if you listed your cell phone in your data, you also got a text. Once the season begins, I usually only send information via email, but since this was the start up I double dipped!!
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| 17 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Jul 22, 2016, 11:40
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AZ needs a QB. Have Foles and Keenan.
Super UGH.
Might have to mortgage the farm to get one...
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| 18 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Jul 22, 2016, 11:43
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From skinneej post from 2015 season:
Yes congrats Doug on a great season and final playoff run!
Per current rules, tie-breakers are only based on total points, so Arizona would have the 5th slot and Buffalo the 6th slot. The top 16 draft picks are based on final regular season finish (as documented in post 350), where the bottom 8 are based on final playoff finish. I believe this list below is the correct draft order for 2016 (note round 1 top 16 spots will be based on lottery results).
1. Colts
2. Chiefs
3. Jaguars
4. Seahawks
5. Cardinals
6. Bills
7. Jets
8. Vikings
9. Panthers
10. Broncos
11. 49ers
12. Ravens
13. Eagles
14. Browns
15. Packers
16. Lions
17. Cowboys
18. Bengals
19. Texans
20. Saints
21. Chargers
22. Giants
23. Bears
24. Raiders
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| 19 | Promize
ID: 57662211
Fri, Jul 22, 2016, 12:07
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I wasn't sure if I would or not... I know I had made the comment I had lost a bit of interest last year, but the start of a new year always brings new hopes. :)
I'm in - Seahawks
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| 20 | skinneej
ID: 42692211
Fri, Jul 22, 2016, 12:09
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IN - Packers
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| 21 | Tree
ID: 444512518
Fri, Jul 22, 2016, 16:40
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in - Broncos
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| 22 | VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Fri, Jul 22, 2016, 19:52
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In - San Fran
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| 23 | Frick
ID: 352441412
Mon, Jul 25, 2016, 09:58
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Vikings are in.
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| 24 | Building 7
ID: 386192511
Mon, Jul 25, 2016, 12:20
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Baltimore Ravens are in.
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| 25 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Wed, Jul 27, 2016, 13:34
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Raiders in!
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| 26 | youngroman
ID: 57047243
Thu, Jul 28, 2016, 04:22
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newly re-signed Ryan Fitzpatrick is available.
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| 27 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Thu, Jul 28, 2016, 15:41
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Just amazing.
I rode nick Foles to the championship two (?) years ago and now he cannot get a job.
How short is the life and how steep the fall of a pro football player. Wow!
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| 28 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Thu, Jul 28, 2016, 19:52
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They even made a Sportpicks figure of him right before he was traded. Now without a job. I have to assume he'll get picked up someone. Some guys last years off of the performance of one game, so he will certainly get another chance.
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| 29 | GO
ID: 2111117
Fri, Jul 29, 2016, 10:57
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I am going to be looking to buy some keeper leftovers for a pick. Lacking depth. RB WR and TE
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| 30 | Slizz
ID: 306442210
Fri, Jul 29, 2016, 12:06
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Bills - In
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| 31 | Slizz
ID: 306442210
Fri, Jul 29, 2016, 12:08
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Have to check my roster for others but the following players are available for trade:
-Brock Osweiler (debating on keeping him over Matt Ryan, but this makes my decision easier)
-Stefon Diggs (Should be the Minnesota #1)
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| 32 | Valkyrie
ID: 546152912
Fri, Jul 29, 2016, 13:15
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Sorry guys- I just can't do it this year. I am out.
I will forward my $ to Judy if I owe.
Steve
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| 33 | Valkyrie
ID: 546152912
Fri, Jul 29, 2016, 13:16
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Sorry guys- I just can't do it this year. I am out.
I will forward my $ to Judy if I owe.
Steve
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| 34 | Valkyrie
ID: 546152912
Fri, Jul 29, 2016, 13:17
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See what I mean- I was Carolina.
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| 35 | WG
ID: 35338278
Fri, Jul 29, 2016, 15:12
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KC - in
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| 36 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Jul 29, 2016, 18:00
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These are the only trades I can find that impact the 2016 draft:
1). Cleveland Browns gave up Manuel, E.J. BUF QB
Denver Broncos gave up
Comments: Cleveland receives 7th round 2016 from Denver, Denver receives Cleveland 9th round and EJ Manuel.
Sat Oct 17 1:30:42 p.m. ET 2015
2). New York Jets gave up Amaro, Jace NYJ TE
Denver Broncos gave up Sankey, Bishop TEN RB
Comments: GO Jets 1st Round 2016 pick for Tree Bronco's 10th Round 2016 Pick
Wed Sep 2 10:43:53 a.m. ET 2015
So in sum:
CLE gets DEN 7th
DEN gets CLE 9th
JETS get DEN 10th
DEN gets Jets 1st
Involved parties please confirm.
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| 37 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Jul 29, 2016, 22:41
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Oops. I used wrong URL for 2016. Here is one IR proposal from doug.
387 Doug
ID: 326332712
Fri, Jul 29, 2016, 16:10 IR Proposal:
IR Slot #1 - A regular IR slot... if/when they come off IR, players must be activated within 48 hours (or whatever the appropriate grace period is).
IR Slot #2 - If your team gets really banged up, you can put a second player on IR. At this point, you must designate one of the two IR players as a keeper for the following year. Even if the player is activated during the season, the keeper designation holds. If the player is traded, the new team inherits this keeper requirement as well (and the new team must acknowledge their awareness of this designation prior to the trade being processed by commisioner(s)).
Both slots: After the Fantasy Championship, IR goes away. All teams with 1+ IR player must cut down their roster while maintaining a valid lineup (i.e., if you only have 1 K, you can't drop your K). Obviously players in IR Slot #2 can't be dropped. In short, nobody gets to carry extra players forward to the following year's keeper decision-making process.
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| 38 | GO
ID: 2111117
Sat, Jul 30, 2016, 15:55
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I agree with above. Tree got my first. Fell a long way from 1St place adding a useful Sankey to the lottery for Tree after
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| 39 | Tree
ID: 444512518
Sat, Jul 30, 2016, 21:06
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Denver - in!
confirmed on both my trades. forgot i have two lottery first rounders. nice!
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| 40 | PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Sun, Jul 31, 2016, 00:39
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CT (Cleveland) has my 2016 4th round pick in exchange for his 2016 8th round pick (Garoppolo trade).
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| 41 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Aug 01, 2016, 13:35
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CLE gets DAL 4th
DAL gets CLE 8th
Thanks.
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| 42 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Mon, Aug 01, 2016, 21:20
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Some players available for trade:
QB Colin Kaepernick, SF - Right now I'm assuming it's 50/50 he'll be the starter week #1. This is probably a good "buy low" option for someone rebuilding and willing to roll the dice on him... but that said, QBs do come at a bit higher premium in this league than most.
RB Javorius Allen, BAL - Talented but in a committee situation.
DL Carlos Dunlap, CIN - #2 DL our league last year, and top-10 in most preseason rankings. I just have too many other keepers, so it's tough for me to make room for him. Last year I dropped him then happily drafted him back in the first round. Might keep him if I can get better trade value for my other keepers on my squad.
I could possibly be open to moving RB Gio Bernard or RB Latavius Murray, but their price tags are higher than for the guys listed above.
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| 43 | Slizz
ID: 306442210
Mon, Aug 01, 2016, 21:53
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Are we finally gonna get rid of DST this season?
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| 44 | Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 38502923
Mon, Aug 01, 2016, 23:06
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Sorry.. Jax - in
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| 45 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Tue, Aug 02, 2016, 00:03
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Dunno... on principle I've always liked DST, it's been with us since the beginning... reflects on-field success far moreso than IDP scores do... and IDPs don't cover the ST part either.
But the anti-DST folks have basically killed it already anyway via the scoring changes that have been voted in.
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| 46 | Building 7
ID: 247521719
Tue, Aug 02, 2016, 00:39
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There was another trade. Baltimore (me) traded a 7th for Seattle 10th. Sanchez trade.
I'm looking to buy a QB. I still have all my draft picks, except my 7th. Email me an offer, if interested.
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| 47 | Slizz
ID: 306442210
Tue, Aug 02, 2016, 19:20
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Doug - I agree with the argument that it does reflect on field success of an actual team, but when you combine it with our in depth IDP roster, it seems redundant. Factor in the rise in offensive scoring and it's negative impact on that position, 30-40% of the league is probably better off benching on a weekly basis...
It will impact me more than most because I have LA, but I think the league, as a whole, would benefit by eliminating it.
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| 48 | Vampireweekend
ID: 2874220
Tue, Aug 02, 2016, 21:04
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I second the motion to revisit getting rid of DST - it is time.
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| 49 | Vampireweekend
ID: 2874220
Tue, Aug 02, 2016, 21:04
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I second the motion to revisit getting rid of DST - it is time.
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| 50 | Slizz
ID: 306442210
Tue, Aug 02, 2016, 21:45
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As far as IR, I will be voting against the proposal for now...
It serves as a vehicle to hoard a player because you can, even if you have no intentions of keeping. I would vote for it if it was strictly the IR2 proposal. If you plan on keeping said player, I feel that is reasonable to allow the slot. Doing so allows the team to be competitive (which is what we want) by fielding an active roster.
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| 51 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 12:57
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I would vote for the IR2 proposal with the stipulation that if you put a player on the IR they must be kept for the following season. I agree with Slizz that the regular IR slot could turn into a hoarding situation.
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| 52 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 13:21
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Re DST.
I would like to eliminate the yardage and point scores, but keep the scoring for INT, FF, FR, TD, S
Re IR:
You get one slot/player designated.
If you put a guy on IR he must be a keeper the following year.
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| 53 | CT
ID: 57724312
Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 13:25
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I am agreement w/Slizz and Kyle. IR would be beneficial if, and only if, keeping said IR player. I like the IR idea structured with contingency.
I am okay eliminating DST. This is more self serving since I generally field a sub standard DST. Save me from myself!
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| 54 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 14:16
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RE D/ST: I've been a fan of removing it in all leagues as it's such a crap shoot after the top 2 or 3 teams. If we eliminate yardage and points, I'm not sure the point of having a D/ST.
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| 55 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 16:09
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I'd prefer to keep DST. We fixed scoring so that it isn't quite as volatile as it once was.
Also, while many teams wouldn't care one way or the other, I have had a keeper-quality DST every year I have been in the league. I kind of count on DST as one of my scorers. What kind of compensation would you give to teams who have keeper-quality DST's? I feel like if we did drop it, it'd have to be for next season, so that teams with good DST's can make other arrangements for their keeper planning. For example, willingly trade a top 5 DST to a playoff team for a draft pick upgrade.
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| 56 | Tree
ID: 444512518
Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 17:38
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getting rid of DST would be the best thing ever, today. i'm definitely ready to dump.
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| 57 | PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Wed, Aug 03, 2016, 19:00
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I'm not in favor of getting rid of DST. Call me a stubborn OG, but I don't like the idea of getting rid of it. I also wouldn't want any scoring changes.
I'm in agreement with Slizz, CT and Kyle regarding IR. I only like the idea of an IR spot if that player must be kept. Any variation to that and I'm not in favor.
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| 58 | skinneej
ID: 42692211
Thu, Aug 04, 2016, 13:32
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As one of the original managers as well, the last time removing DST came to a vote, it was defeated since no good option was provided for how to either phase it out or compensate for the loss of a potential keeper player for some managers. It has to be looked at the same as if we removed any other starting spot. If we decided TE was no longer a position, we'd have to figure out how to compensate the players with top TEs.
When we added IDP it was to give more depth to the league, but removing DST was not really considered strongly until a few years later. The league voted a few years ago to minimize the DST position scoring some to take out some of the extreme volatility since it is a restricted position for being able to pick up replacements. However, that also is something that astute managers have always considered when drafting and making trades not to get left with a scrap unit to start. We had one year that a manager got left without having a DST to draft, so they had to pay up a little for it afterwards to have a legal lineup. Of course, they had plenty of chances to draft one, but if you choose to chase prospects instead of drafting a need position that is the price you pay.
I've always liked having DST and would be opposed to removing it unless a viable proposal was put forward. Just removing it without any compensation or phase out plan will not work and I would not support it again. I have generally had top 15 DSTs most years and do spend time and effort researching them just like other positions. Two years ago I had 2 of the top 5 defenses and I traded one away towards the end of the season to add RB depth for a playoff run. Having the option because I intentionally drafted a 2nd strong def for matchups and late season trade opportunities was part of my strategy.
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| 59 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 18:19
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Agree with (57) & (58), except I'm not an Old Guy. I prefer the statue quo.
That said, I'd like to eliminate the penalty for missed extra-points as RIFC leagues have this season.
ds
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| 60 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 22:37
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Going thrú old emails found info about starting a player with a bye, instead of using a player from the bench.
Thinking that these positions would be exempt due to scarcity: QB, TE, K, DST
THOUGHTS?
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| 61 | CT
ID: 22738610
Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 20:25
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Hi gang -Rules changes for discussion based off thread/comments/etc. The three changes addressed are DST/IR/Bye Week.
Maybe open forum the 3 changes - narrow two choices so we can have a vote sooner than later. These are not the final items for vote - just recommended to start moving the ball forward on the changes so we can get a vote on the schedule.
DST -
1.) Eliminate DST effective immediately.
2.) Eliminate DST effective G24 Year 2017.
3.) Modify DST scoring effective 2016 by eliminating yards and points scored against. All other point factors remain (INT, TD, Sacks, Fumble Recovery).
Bye Week Fill Ins
1.) A player on bye week must be replaced by an active player at that position. Failure to substitute will be a roster violation and violator subject to forfeiture that week, 0 points.
2.) A player on bye week may be used, no penalty.
3.) Only one position can be filled by a player on bye week. If more than two positions are filled with a bye week player, this is a considered a roster violation. Forfeiture, 0 points for week is penalty.
IR
1.) No IR allowed. (status quo)
2.) 1 IR spot created. If a player is placed on IR for the year, the player is ineligible for return at any point of active season, and player placed on IR must be designated as Keeper for following season.
3.) 1 IR spot created, to be used throughout the season, and not specific to Keeper designation. Player placed on IR must be deemed "inactive" by NFL team before kickoff. Players on bye week are not eligible for IR. Violation of IR placement policy would result in loss of draft pick following season, beginning round 9. Each subsequent violation would be round 8, round 7, etc. If draft pick has been traded, draft pick penalty becomes round of lower number. (ie traded round 8, penalty is for round 7)
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| 62 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 21:01
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I would note that the penalty of zero points for using a player on bye week accomplishes nothing in the case of managers that are tanking, or not attempting to field competitive teams for some other reason. They don't care whether they win so zero points is as good as any other score to them.
It's also way too harsh for teams that are trying to field competitive teams but make a mistake and field a bye week player. At a minimum teams should receive one "mulligan"/warning.
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| 63 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 21:18
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Is it intended that the same principles that apply to bye-week players will also apply to players tho are "OUT" for the game, or on IR?
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| 64 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 21:21
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A relatively mild but relevant sanction where there is a bye-week or injured player in the lineup might be for the commissioner to drop one non-starting player from the manager's lineup before the next waiver deadline. The commissioner would attempt to select the drop least harmful to the manager's team, and would allow the manager to
argue who that player would be.
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| 65 | Tree
ID: 2073469
Sun, Aug 07, 2016, 08:40
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Hogwash.
The suggestion that someone you're competing against can drop a player from your roster - and make that God like decision - is ripe for disaster.
Again, I am baffled at the entire premise of being punitive against a team starting a bye week player.
Isn't it punishment enough that the team risks losing that week?
This is a very deep league. I will say this again - if I am a rebuilding team, I don't want to risk dropping a player who might help me down the road just so I can have an active body in my line up that might score a half point that week.
What exactly is this sort of rule trying to accomplish? As a rebuilding team, the short term goals of a rule like this hurt the long term goals of the league, and shouldn't rules be about bettering the league for the long term, not for one game?
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| 66 | Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Sun, Aug 07, 2016, 13:23
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Yeah, I am not in favor of requiring all byes to be filled. Think of it this way: The bye week period is usually from week 4 to week 10. Most teams are in it during this time and are still trying to win. Sometimes you have to do it because you have no other players. I have left Stafford in on bye on more than one occasion, and I think Ive won my matchup every time Ive done it.
The real issue should be playing byes when there are players who are playing on the team's bench. That's when you know someone is tanking.
BTW, in both G24 and G20 all this effort to try to stop tanking feels like a waste of time and effort. In G20 baseball this year my primary goal for this season has been finding enough GP from my hitters to make the ridiculous game play minumum which amounts to 153 GP per player. It's like a mini-game and not what we are supposed to be worried about - we are supposed to be worried about playing well or improving our teams.
We have all been playing together for YEARS. Why can't we just trust eachother?
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| 67 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Sun, Aug 07, 2016, 20:58
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Nerf,
I think There is MAJOR difference between G20 and G24 rebuilds.
The G20 rebuild does not affect anyone else. It is just you and your points.
A G24 rebuilds affects the rest of the league since the games are head to head and when one team is playing for the future (sometimes called "tanking") it can give an opponent a late season win they might not otherwise have had. This is not "fair" to the other teams in the league, This affects the standings, playoffs etc.
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| 68 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Sun, Aug 07, 2016, 21:26
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POSSIBLE DATES:
FRIDAY, AUGUST 19
Keepers due on thread and MFL
WEDNESDAY AUGUST 24
Draft (11 rounds)
No clock on weekend
FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 2
Hopefully draft is finished!!!
Waivers begin
SAT/SUN/MON SEPTEMBER 3/4/5
Labor Day weekend
THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 8
First game of season!!!
How do these look? Enough time?
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| 69 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Sun, Aug 07, 2016, 21:39
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Welcome to taxman and wiggs our two new managers.
I have sent them line ups to study. Wiggs will call a coin flip to make a choice...
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| 70 | Tree
ID: 2073469
Sun, Aug 07, 2016, 22:53
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A G24 rebuilds affects the rest of the league since the games are head to head and when one team is playing for the future
So, we shouldn't try and rebuild? Again, in the long term, lower teams working their way to relevance should be of utmost importance, not worrying about getting an extra half point by playing the 5th string wr...
I mean, think about this - the suggestion is that rebuilding teams should drop a potential piece of their rebuild to gain an extra half point or so?
Come on... Is this serious?
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| 71 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Mon, Aug 08, 2016, 02:52
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Hi..glad to be in league this year.
Is there a recap of league rules floating around that wiggs and I can get a look at ??
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| 72 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Aug 08, 2016, 14:18
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Taxman
I'll look for it. They are in some thread somewhere. We moved over from cbs...
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| 73 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 08, 2016, 14:43
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At Judy's request, I ran the draft lottery today. Here are the results:
Pick 1: Chiefs
Pick 2: Eagles
Pick 3: Bills
Pick 4: Colts
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| 74 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Aug 08, 2016, 16:14
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Proposal:
If a player is on an official NFL IR list, he cannot be used as a starter.
Poll/vote can be here or on MFL.
Comments please.
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| 75 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Aug 08, 2016, 16:34
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Draft order (without the three trades):
First round:
1. Chiefs
2. Eagles
3. Bills
4. Colts
5. Jaguars
6. Seahawks
7. Cardinals
8. Jets
9. Vikings
10. Panthers
11. Broncos
12. 49ers
13. Ravens
14. Browns
15. Packers
16. Lions
17. Cowboys
18. Bengals
19. Texans
20. Saints
21. Chargers
22. Giants
23. Bears
24. Raiders
Rounds 2-11:
1. Colts
2. Chiefs
3. Jaguars
4. Seahawks
5. Cardinals
6. Bills
7. Jets
8. Vikings
9. Panthers
10. Broncos
11. 49ers
12. Ravens
13. Eagles
14. Browns
15. Packers
16. Lions
17. Cowboys
18. Bengals
19. Texans
20. Saints
21. Chargers
22. Giants
23. Bears
24. Raiders
Believe this is correct without trades listed above.
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| 76 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Mon, Aug 08, 2016, 16:44
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74: Comment
I think it imprudent to vote on any proposal without knowing the range of penalties -- or to put it another way the seriousness with which the commish takes it -- in advance.
Under the old system, the penalties could range from a slap on the wrist to not being invited back next year. (And by and large I think that would still work.)
There's a big difference between managers who start a player placed on IR on Friday, and managers who pick up players on IR to be future keepers and start them simply ignore reminders that this is against the rules.
Toral
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| 77 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Aug 08, 2016, 16:48
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Anyone know where the special rules are located. Wee need to add them to MFL.
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| 78 | mjd
ID: 56311613
Mon, Aug 08, 2016, 17:19
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We must ensure that the 'no IR players in the starting lineup rule' penalty is strict, policed, and enforced.
Back a couple of years when it wasn't policed, one of the offending teams benefited greatly.
No need for a repeat of that.
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| 79 | Tree
ID: 444512518
Mon, Aug 08, 2016, 19:44
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76 brings out some really valid points.
1. with no punishment, what's the point of the rule?
2. how do you determine intent in regards to a big difference between managers who start a player placed on IR on Friday, and managers who pick up players on IR to be future keepers and start them simply ignore reminders that this is against the rules?
perhaps punishment should be cumulative - the first offense is a warning, the second offense is automatically dropping five spots in the draft, the third offense is automatically dropping to the end of the first round, the fourth offense is losing a first round pick (or, your earliest pick if you've traded away your first rounder), and the fifth offense is ejection from the league (in this case, i think it's fair that the first four penalties be waived when a replacement owner is found).
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| 80 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Aug 08, 2016, 22:30
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How about this:
You may only use a bye player as a starter if you have no player on your bench who could fill that position.
comments?
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| 81 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Tue, Aug 09, 2016, 17:06
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Link to keeper thread:
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1128&lastpost=1470776751
Someone can make it nice...
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| 82 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 09, 2016, 17:38
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Here's a nice link
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| 83 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Tue, Aug 09, 2016, 19:41
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Agree with #74 & #70.
A rule cannot be broken without consequences. A person playing an IR player 5 weeks is either dumb, cheating, or ignorant. That is not a coach I want to play in a league with. Deception is a lie in this case.
Agree with Tree (Did I say that?) I'd prefer a 4 phase penalty, and/or prevention of trading future draft picks as an incentive prevent future occurances. 5 chances to play an IR player is excessive IMO.
I'd still like an opinion on eliminating the penalty (-1) on extra point tries. It's literally a field goal from 30+ yards.
Thanks, ds
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| 84 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Tue, Aug 09, 2016, 21:13
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Rifc is eliminating the -1 for missed extra points....
Should we?
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| 85 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 00:06
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Sure, get rid of -1. Or keep it. Whatever. I can't imagine anyone having strong feelings on this. :)
IR proposal
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- Eliminate 1 active roster bench spot (so no net impact on waiver pool... actually most likely a net positive, especially early in the season)
- 1 IR slot to be used as a normal IR slot... no keeper requirements
- 2nd IR slot to be used as a "keeper-designated"... if you want to put a 2nd player on IR, one of them must be designated as a keeper for the following season
- Players are only eligible for Fantasy IR if they are on your team prior to being placed (or prior to being expected to be placed) on the NFL IR
If this passes, I'd also suggest an additional vote on exactly what statuses qualify for the IR slot. Could be as restrictive as IR-only, could be looser to include players who are declared "Out" or "Inactive" prior to gametime, etc.
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| 86 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 01:20
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(Re: -1 for XPs... again, don't care, but FWIW as a general principal I do NOT think we should base any decisions for this league on what RIFC does... this is a different, unique format and should be treated as such, let's not take our G24 cues from that other format or try to keep them arbitrarily aligned).
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| 87 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 04:36
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Re 85 -- Am opposed to decreasing size of bench. IR idea was originally suggested (2 seasons ago) partly to make it easier for people to field complete team despite injuries. This would make it harder to do that except for teams with player(s) on IR.
I am fine with the 2 IR slots, ordinary and keeper-only.
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| 88 | Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 11:45
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Good morning everyone. I have taken over the panthers team and i don't see much hope for success this season. Therefore I am open for making some moves for the future. Anyone who is looking to move players for picks please contact me. Thank you
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| 89 | mjd
ID: 56311613
Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 12:17
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I inherited a seriously crappy team 8 years ago and rebuilt to make the playoffs the last 5 years under the old rules, so please stop with the "too hard to rebuild" BS.
This league was meant to be difficult and for managers to be forced to make difficult decisions.
If you want to play in an easy league there are plenty of Yahoo public leagues.
And with 24 teams with 9 keepers, the available player pool is already shallow enough, so adding IR slots is whimpy.
Being in a tough league like this used to be an honor. Now like the rest of most things these days, it's going soft. Really sad.
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| 90 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 12:55
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Deepsnapper, I tried e-mailing you and it bounced back to me. If you see this let me know I have a trade proposal for you.
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| 91 | Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 14:26
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I am in favor of removing the -1 penalty for extra points as long as they remain 33 yard kicks. It has nothing to do with RIFC doing it or following them.. The miss penalty should be equal based on the level of difficulty. If we already had -1 for missing 33 yard field goals, than the -1 for extra points would also be appropriate.
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| 92 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 16:16
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Nerf good point. Here is our scoring for missed FG.
Length of Missed Field Goal 30-32 -2.5
Length of Missed Field Goal 33-35 -2
Comments anyone?
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| 93 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 17:05
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I'd say leave it alone then.
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| 94 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 21:12
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Decisions need to be made.
So I am gonna put forth some statements on the thread for yes or no. If we go forth on any of them we will continue.
Some of you have been active on the thread and emails, but some of you have not been heard from.
As commish, I am not sure where to go. Is it my job to make a proposal based on what I read? I have no problem with that, but don't want to be dissed by you!
We need to move forward...time is getting short and we keep writing about stuff but never end up acting on anything!! Drives me nuts!
Topics that need a vote/poll
1. What to do about DST
2. Can a player on the NFL IR list be a starter?
3. Can you use a player on a bye as a starter if you have a potentially active player on the bench? Are some positions exempt (QB, PK, DST)
4. Do we want an IR slot?
I am more than happy to write a proposal to be voted on for any of those, but prefer it to come from a manager...
And then separately, what should the penalties for violators?
Comment in thread ONLY.
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| 96 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 23:30
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Bye Weeks for the NFL 2016 season are Week 4-13. The NFL is expanding the schedule of byes to allow for more international games $$$
Schedule
Teams
Week 4 Green Bay, Philadelphia
Week 5 Jacksonville, Kansas City, New Orleans, Seattle
Week 6 Minnesota, Tampa Bay
Week 7 Carolina, Dallas
Week 8 Baltimore, Los Angeles, Miami, NY Giants, Pittsburgh, San Francisco
Week 9 Arizona, Chicago, Cincinnati, Houston, New England, Washington
Week 10 Buffalo, Detroit, Indianapolis, Oakland
Week 11 Atlanta, Denver, NY Jets, San Diego
Week 13 Cleveland, Tennessee
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| 97 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 23:41
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Kyle I've dropped all Verizon ID's I had due to them selling to AOL. Now they're trying to buy Yahoo?
My deepsnapper@yahoo.com is good and I'm using joyboy_roy@yahoo.com for fantasy (or trying to).
MFL has the latter as my eMail address.
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| 98 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 06:30
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Two addenda to what I said above:
1. BYES:
If you start with the BYE issue, there are two alternatives.
One, as I said is to put a proposition like I mentioned above to a vote.
Another would be for the commish to simply declare that there is clearly no two-thirds consensus on the matter, that therefore no proposition will be put to a vote, and that the issue is dead for this year. Some of the discussion on this issue got heated this year, and it might be desirable to avoid a repetition of it. (Note to new managers: there is also an e-mail chain discussing this issue, which I assume you haven't seen.)
I haven't made an exact count, but the discussion on this issue seemed to me to be split about 50/50 with about 10 people participating, suggesting that there's no two-thirds consensus on anything.
2. D/ST:
I should have mentioned CT's helpful post at 61 on this.
These propositions could be put to an immediate vote:
1.) Eliminate DST effective this year.
2.) Eliminate DST effective next year -- 2017.
If both pass then 1) supersedes 2).
If both fail, as I would expect, then the various tweaks mentioned above could be put to a vote, if the commish so desires. Judy has a suggested tweak above, so that might be as good a place to start as any.
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| 99 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 10:42
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1. I would like to see D/ST eliminated, especially if there's already talk of reducing their value by removing some statistical categories. But it's not a hill that I'm willing to die on.
2. No, if they are on the IR then they shouldn't be allowed in your starting line up. There should be a strict penalty for starting someone who is on the IR when you have healthy players on the bench. Maybe a forfeiture of a draft pick for one week, and as it lasts, the further the draft pick moves up. (IE: Starting a player on the IR for one week, loss of 5th round, two weeks, loss of 4th round, etc.)
3. Starting players on bye is a tough one. If we do have that rule in place having an exemption for QB, D/ST, and K would be imperative.
4. Yes. But the player placed on IR would have to be kept for the next season.
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| 101 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 15:25
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Three polls on MFL.
Go to communications --> league polls to vote.
Polls will close Friday at 11:00 pm.
Please vote. The vote is public.
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| 102 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 15:37
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Ummm how about leaving DST as it is? We already fuddled with the scoring and it's fine IMO. I will only vote to leave it as is.
The vote at this point should really be yes/no to DST. Then we can figure out what to do from there.
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| 103 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 15:49
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Yea, I would agree no change to D/ST should be an option in that poll.
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| 104 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 15:49
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I fixed the DST poll. Thanks nerf.
I added: keep DST as is.
Sorry.
Whoever already voted to eliminate DST if you want to change your vote let me know.
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| 105 | TD
ID: 55540220
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 16:49
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This is how I voted in the polls with the reasons for my vote.
1. Players on bye may only be started for the QB, PK, and DST slots. If needed, penalties to be determined.
I do not agree.
2. A player on the NFL IR list may not be a starter in your lineup. If needed, Penalties to be determined after this vote.
I do not agree.
I don't think a manager should be forced to pick up a player at any position. We should let each manager determine what moves are the best for his franchise.
I think there should be a penalty for a manager who has a player on his roster that is not on bye or IR, and starts the bye or IR player instead.
3. What to do about DST
Eliminate DST for 2017
With the IDP positions we have in this league, I never saw a reason to have DST. Eliminating DST in 2016 will hurt owners with a strong DST keeper.
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| 106 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 18:52
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Something weird is going on with the DST poll. Colts voted for both eliminations, Raiders voted for both plus keep as is.
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| 107 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 20:43
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While we discuss the playing about what we do with an I/R player, what do we do with players on suspension?
I had Ray Rice on my roster almost half the season last year before cutting him.
What about Tom Brady? 4 games is 4 games. The Cowboys have 2 D/L and a MLB on suspension for 4-10 games. I know there are more suspended players (Gordon).
What are we going to do with them? Are we going to start them? can of worms
ds
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| 108 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 20:47
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Very good question...
Anyone have thoughts??
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| 109 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 20:51
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Nerf
DST poll set up to have multiple answers...
So you could vote for eliminate in both 2016 and 2017 for example...
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| 110 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 20:57
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Deepsnapper has an excellent question. I'd like some discussion before I set up a poll.
This would be the poll question:
Can a manager start a suspended player?
Think Brady...not to mention others...
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| 111 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 21:15
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There's no rule against it at the moment, so it would appear as of now he could.
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| 112 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 21:22
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Poll question coulb be:
"A PLAYER ON THE NFL SUSPENDED LIST MAY NOT BE A STARTER IN YOUR LINEUP. IF NEEDED, PENALTIES TO BE DETERMINED AFTER THIS VOTE."
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| 113 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 21:30
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I'm going to guess that Oakland's vote to Keep DST as it is is meant as a rejection of the proposal to keep DST but remove yardage and point stats (if the proposals to eliminate DST fail.)
That is why would one might vote both to eliminate DST and keep it.
Means that 9 votes to keep DST won't justify an immediate Election Central call that the vote to eliminate the D/ST has failed.
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| 114 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Thu, Aug 11, 2016, 22:23
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Poll Page Link
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| 115 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 03:09
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Judy, I am good with the dates stated in <68>. We are one week from having to declare Keepers. We should be able to settle on the rules issue.
In the past, rule changes were made in the summer prior to the season, not as we're preparing to draft. break a leg ;-)
ds
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| 116 | Tree
ID: 444512518
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 08:42
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Means that 9 votes to keep DST won't justify an immediate Election Central call that the vote to eliminate the D/ST has failed.
with different options for elimination, it's obvious that the vote to eliminate has been split. i think it's critical to have a follow up vote, because clearly, as many people want to eliminate as want to keep.
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| 117 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 09:07
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You can click on the numbers and see who has voted. As of now, 7 teams have voted for either (or both) elimination options; 9 have voted to keep D/ST without also voting for one of the elimination options. So eliminate-DST in either form isn't close to getting 16 votes.
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| 118 | Tree
ID: 444512518
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 10:16
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You can click on the numbers and see who has voted. As of now, 7 teams have voted for either (or both) elimination options; 9 have voted to keep D/ST without also voting for one of the elimination options. So eliminate-DST in either form isn't close to getting 16 votes.
you guys must have different results in Canada - that's probably how Harper got elected back in the day.
these are the results i see:
Eliminate DST for 2016: 6
Eliminate DST for 2017: 4
Keep DST but remove yardage and point stats: 1
Keep DST as is.: 9
that's 10 voting to eliminate - personally, i wasn't aware i could vote for both elimination options, because i would have.
there are clearly more votes for CHANGE (11) than there are for status quo (9).
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| 119 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 10:33
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Those 10 votes to eliminate include 3 people voting for both options. Only 7 different people. Click on the "6" and "4" and you will see the duplicate names among the teams.
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| 120 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 12:32
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Draft order set without 2015 trades...I think.
Have not checked that yet. Maybe involved teams could do that for me. Thanks.
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| 121 | TD
ID: 87161216
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 17:20
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In last season's thread, Toral provided this link to the rules: http://www.angelfire.com/games5/gurupie/footcon.html. These rules are very old and probably not up to date.
Can the commissioner please add the current rules to the Additional League Rules Setup section of MFL League Settings?
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| 122 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 17:41
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I will confirm that those rules were not up to date. The commissioner found the final rules used on CBS Sportsline. I had a copy, but it is on an old computer. A crucial difference is that the lines from the old rules "You must have a healthy player in your lineup each week. No IRs or Known OUTS/inactives/Suspensions" do NOT appear. Hence our present situation.
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| 123 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 19:25
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TD should I add the angle fire rules? Even if old?
Anyone have a copy of the cbs version of the additional rules?
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| 124 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 20:21
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Commish..
Please change my vote for DST from:
Keep DST but remove yardage and point stats
to:
"Keep DST as is"
thanks for fixing my screw-up
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| 125 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 20:51
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FYI cannot change taxman in MFL, but change will be added to final poll.
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| 126 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 21:05
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It would appear that...
Eliminate-GST has been defeated with 9 votes against.*
Bye-start-restrictions are not officially dead, but may be given the last rites. All 7 non-voters would have to vote "Yes" for it to pass.
No-suspended-starters looks like it might win if everybody votes but is not a sure thing. Isn't voting on proposed rule changes part of the responsibility of a league member? It would be pathetic if it was defeated becuz 7 people didn't vote and the poll just closed at an arbitrary time. I would suggest extending the deadline 1 day, 2 days, whatever, until these people are heard from.
* - 9 votes not counting Oakland's. Oakland also voted to eliminate and should be presumed to have voted "Keep DST as is" in preference to "Keep DST and change formula."
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| 127 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 21:11
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Two emails have been sent to every G24 manager about these polls.
I am NOT HAPPY that everyone has not yet voted with an 11 pm EDT deadline tonight.
Nb. As commish I have not voted yet (AZ) feeling I should wait to end.
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| 128 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 21:29
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I am going to keep the pools open until Sunday at noon. Six teams still need to vote.
They may make a difference. They need to take the responsibility to vote.
Should I have put an "abstain" option?
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| 129 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 21:31
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I added abstain in case that is why they have not voted..
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| 130 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 21:33
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Good idea.
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| 131 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 22:01
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Bye-start-restrictions now defeated.
2 more YESes on No-IR-starters and we can extract ourselves from this morass and move on.
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| 132 | TD
Leader
ID: 036331011
Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 23:16
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If you can't find a later set of rules, then I think you should post the angel fire rules on MFL. We can discuss what changes need to be made to the rules once they are posted.
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| 133 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 13:42
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Nerf is looking. He did copy them from cbs.
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| 134 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 14:27
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Moving along with two more polls.
Check your email for details.
VOTE!!!
Previous poll results:
Looks like changes to DST and bye week starters are defeated.
No IR on start lineup will pass.
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| 135 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 14:45
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I am unclear how the IR-slot poll is going to work.
Assume it gets 16 votes. What happens next?
Some people would only support such a slot if it is IR-Keeper (a player placed in the slot must be kept the next season.) Others might prefer IR-regular.
So if the proposal passes, will there then be a second vote to determine whether the position is IR-Keeper or IR-Regular? What if neither of those alternatives gets 16 votes?
There are other proposals above which would be relevant to the way the IR-Slot poll should be presented, but I will leave it to the makers of those proposals to elaborate further.
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| 136 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 14:56
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Or is the purpose a simpler one -- if the vote fails, then the whole thing can be dropped without worrying about the details of the various proposals?
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| 137 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 16:45
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This is the simple start. If it passes, then more polls about keeper issues.
If it fails, we are done with IR slots.
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| 138 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 16:50
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
Buffalo Bills
Brock Osweiler, QB, HOU
Stefon Diggs, WR, MIN
2016 s-draft 11.06
For
Arizona Cardinals
DeVante Parker, WR, MIA
2016 s-draft 2.05
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| 139 | Slizz
ID: 306442210
Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 17:02
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Confirmed
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| 140 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 17:02
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I have these three trades from 2015. Please review as I am ready to add them to the 2016 MFL log and it will change the draft order.
CLE gets Denver 7.10
DEN gets CLE 9.14
Jets get den 10.10
Den gets jets 1.08
CLE gets dal 4.17
Dal gets CLE 8.14
Please confirm in thread.
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| 141 | Tree
ID: 2073469
Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 18:06
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Confirmed.
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| 142 | PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 18:18
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Confirmed
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| 143 | Building 7
ID: 247521719
Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 20:51
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
Baltimore Ravens trade picks 4.12 & 5.12 to the Dallas Cowboys for picks 5.17 & 7.17, and Robert Griffin, QB.
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| 144 | PeteN.
ID: 19721320
Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 21:03
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Confirmed. I won't be able to accept on MFL until tomorrow evening (my login info is on my tablet at home).
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| 145 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Sun, Aug 14, 2016, 16:12
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I'm looking for a #1 RB .. if he is good enough, really good ... I could part with a WR (Tavon Austin or TY Hilton) or TE Antonio Gates .. or Draft pick(s).
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| 146 | Tree
ID: 2073469
Sun, Aug 14, 2016, 17:01
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I've got three stellar WRs - Gordon, Green, and Robinson - one of whom might be looking for a new home.
Whatcha got?
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| 147 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 10:01
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I've got Kaepernick and Dunlap available for modest draft pick upgrades... but could potentially also move either Latavius Murray or Gio Bernand in the right deal (likely involving a good 1st round pick).
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| 148 | CT - Clev
ID: 466342115
Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 12:35
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Post 140 - confirmed
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| 149 | Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 12:42
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I am still in the market to trade some of my picks for your scraps. Let me know who is available and what u would like in return
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| 150 | CT - Clev
ID: 466342115
Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 16:10
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Trade Bait Update:
WR - LaFell
WR - Steve Smith (he is bionic)
TE - Charles Clay
LB - Justin Houston
DB - Tyrann Mathieu
RB - Jamaal Charles
Charles I would only accept a top end 1st rounder for, just fyi. The others are all negotiable with middle to late round draft pick grades.
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| 151 | Building 7
ID: 247521719
Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 16:38
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
Baltimore Ravens trade Ted Ginn and pick 10.12 to the Carolina Panthers for pick 7.09
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| 152 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 18:41
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Anyone know Ccrider/Barnett/Chicago Bears.
He has not signed in yet...or voted...
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| 153 | skinneej
ID: 42692211
Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 19:14
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Anyone looking for WR help, I have Torrey Smith and Kamar Aiken available.
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| 154 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 19:25
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Heard from Ccrider. He is good to go...
Also extended last two polls to midnight...
Please vote.
As commish (AZ) I will only vote at end.
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| 155 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 20:49
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I have entered the trades in 140 into G24.
You might want to check to see if I did it properly.😬🤗
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| 156 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 16, 2016, 09:49
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
Indianapolis gets 1.02 and 3.13
and
Philadelphia gets 1.04 and 2.01
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| 157 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Tue, Aug 16, 2016, 12:58
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Post 156 is confirmed.
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| 158 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Tue, Aug 16, 2016, 22:29
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Anyone know what the waiver order should be?
Reverse of draft round 2?
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| 160 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 06:37
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Yes, reverse of round 2.
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| 161 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 12:55
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Ok then, the polls are over and in each there was a count of 15 to agree -- not enough to decide. However, As I noted a few times, I did not vote, as I wanted YOU to determine the "final answer".
But now I need to vote:
A suspended player may not be in the starting lineup.
I will vote to agree, thus the motion will pass. This was a really close vote.
Here is my rationale:
if he is ineligible to dress for his actual NFL team, he should be ineligible to suit up for his g24 team.
This "matches" the no player on IR to start which we passed.
There will an IR slot in addition to the 20 on the roster
Right now I will vote to disagree, thus defeating the motion. This was a really close vote again and my choice does make a difference.
Here is my rationale:
This league is tough enough without removing potentially 24 players from the FA pool. That said if you really want to keep the guy...
So here is a new poll related to this one. As commish, I will support this option.
If we add an IR slot to the 20 player roster, that player must be a keeper the following season.
Please go vote.
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| 162 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 13:02
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Also looking for suggestions penalties for starting either an IR or Suspended player.
I believe both penalties should be the same.
Fire away! Nicely.
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| 163 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 13:08
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OK. But that last question sounds like a hypothetical one, a bit of philosophical musing, about something we might consider at some indefinite time in the future, maybe next year, maybe two years from now, maybe 5 years from now.
Are you putting forth a rules proposal for vote? If so, I suggest no pussyfooting around.
Something like: PROPOSAL: An IR-Keeper Slot to be added THIS YEAR, but any player on it must be a keeper the next season.
Toral
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| 164 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 13:12
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Penalties should be graduated. Starting, this year at least, with a warning. Tree's suggestion (IIRC) of a 5-ladder scale is the right sort of idea.
I don't think you need a vote on penalties, rather suggestions.
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| 165 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 14:06
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RE163: According to the poll "Each Team Will Have One Roster Spot for an IR Player In Addition to the 20 on the Roster." we currently have agreed on the addition to an IR spot. So now we need to decide that if the person who is in the IR spot needs to be kept or if that person is a eligible to dropped.
I also like Tree's 5 ladder scale of penalty for starting the player on the suspended or IR list and if we need it I'll second that as a proposal for the IR/SUSP penalty.
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| 166 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 14:14
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No, Kyle. As Judy said, the first poll did not receive 16 votes, and so was defeated.
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| 167 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 14:16
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See her post 161.
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| 168 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 14:27
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Oh, well I guess I don't understand why 16 was needed and now I don't know why we're voting on if the IR slot should be a keeper. It got defeated, so that's the end of that discussion.
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| 169 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 14:44
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1) 16 is needed becuz two-thirds vote is required to make a rule change. I believe Judy said that in her very first e-mail on rules discussions this year.
2) I didn't take the first vote as a rules proposal as all -- it was too vague, and there was no assurance that a detailed one would get 16 votes -- but even if it was intended as such, and failed, there is nothing wrong with a commish, seeing a rules proposal has failed narrowly, to put forth an alternative that she thinks might pass (or even just one that she likes).
I think that is the essential job of a commissioner -- to bring order out of chaos.
Toral
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| 170 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 15:02
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Yeah the wordings are confusing... but apparently the first one, rather than being "should we have an IR slot and we'll figure out later whether it needs to be a keeper or not" (as I think it was described) was instead "should we have an unrestricted IR slot", and now we're voting on "should we have a restricted (keeper-only) IR slot"?
I know there was a deadline to vote, but I'd like to find out if on a close vote like this whether we reached out to everyone individually. Buffalo (Slizz) and Carolina (Wiggs) both voted in the 3 prior yes/no polls, did we reach out for their input on these last two close ones? Maybe they were just busy/overwhelmed with emails and a personal note would help?
And what's up with Jacksonville (Slack)? Only team that hasn't voted in a single poll I think (other than Judy/Arizona). Have we reached out? Do we have the right email? Want to make sure we're not down a manager...
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| 171 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 15:15
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Also, is an abstention the same thing as a No vote? That is, do we need 2/3 of the league to vote in favor a rule in order for it to pass, or do we need 2/3 of the votes to be in favor in order for a rule to pass? Because even with Judy's vote against, we had over 2/3 in favor of an IR slot (and 3 abstentions).
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| 172 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 15:47
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Interesting question. In the Ref days it was 16 votes, simple as that.
And in parliamentary procedure, an abstention generally has the same effect as a "No" vote on important questions.
But does the two-thirds requirement apply to the whole electorate, or only those present and voting?
I haven't checked but very much doubt the written rules specify anything. Which means (I believe) that Judy rules and her ruling (by default parliamentary procedure) can only be overridden by a two-thirds vote of all members...
I think one can see the point of the 16-vote requirement. It ensures that no big change can be passed, say, 12-6 (that's two-thirds) with 2 abstaining and 4 not voting.
The 16-vote requirement also encourages persuasion and get-out-the-vote efforts by everyone who feels strongly about a rule change, and doesn't put the whole responsibility on the commissioner.
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| 173 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 16:56
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I would think if a vote is that close we should have all 24 teams participating in the decision. We don't know for sure that a non-vote is a 'No' vote, and I would be wary of making that assumption.
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| 174 | Judy
ID: 92552311
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 17:12
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I reminded and reminded, I extended deadlines.
They didn't vote.
I left my vote(AZ) to the end so as not to influence. I wanted you guys to choose.
I then voted and gave my rationale for my vote, which ended up deciding which I did not want it to do...
I assumed the poll results would be binding for a rules change and was told somewhere along the line that 16 votes were needed.
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| 175 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 17:51
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On July 29, 2016, Judy, you sent out an e-mail re discussion of prospective rule changes. You said:
"NOTE: Rule changes require a 2/3 majority or 16 teams."
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| 176 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 17:59
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You don't need to apologize for yourself, Judy. You aren't even being criticized -- not once so far as I have seen.
Just ignore this extraneous discussion, unless you are directly attacked, or come to believe that you have made a mistake.
Toral
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| 177 | Building 7
ID: 247521719
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 19:30
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We should move the keeper deadline back one day to Saturday at midnight. There are 7 games on Saturday, where a lot can happen. And a lot of people are off work on Saturday to figure out their keepers and make any last minute trades. You would still have until Wednesday to get the draft started.
Also, welcome and good luck to wiggs and taxman.
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| 178 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 21:16
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Again, I trust Wiggs and Slizz just got busy and didn't have a chance to vote (given they had voted previously)... but concerned that we've seen zero votes from Slack (and just the one "in" post over two weeks ago). Has he responded to any emails?
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| 179 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 22:58
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Note received email to change one I agree vote to I disagree vote base upon clarified interpretation. So look at the polls accordingly.
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| 180 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 23:00
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I have no problem moving the keeper deadline to midnight Sunday...
Draft to begin as scheduled Wednesday August 24, no clock on weekend.
Thoughts
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| 181 | Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 23:47
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Not sure how I missed a vote. I thought I got them all. I apologize. Wasn't because I am not checking
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| 182 | Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Wed, Aug 17, 2016, 23:50
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I would have voted I agree to the one I missed if it matters
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| 183 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 02:58
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Schedule change to keeper deadline to midnight Sunday is fine.
Draft to begin as scheduled Wednesday August 24, no clock on weekend. What would be the start time? (Us old retired folks sleep in ;-) lol )
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| 184 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 09:45
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How about we open it up at midnight EST on the 24th (so if people want to start picking the next morning they can)... but the clock doesn't actually kick in until noon EST so that west coast folks aren't pressured/penalized?
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| 185 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 15:41
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Wiggs check to see if you are getting emails from the MFL site from me...I did send several...your contact info might be in error??
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| 186 | judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 16:31
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SUNDAY, AUGUST 21 11:00 PM EDT
Keepers due on thread and MFL
WEDNESDAY AUGUST 24 NOON EDT
Draft (11 rounds)
No clock on weekend
FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 2
Hopefully draft is finished!!!
Waivers begin
SAT/SUN/MON SEPTEMBER 3/4/5
Labor Day weekend
THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 8
First game of season!!!
Do we want a clock? If so, may I suggest 3 hours? Off midnight to 8 am EDT Let me know!
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| 187 | Tree
ID: 444512518
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 20:52
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still looking to move either WR of Gordon, Green, or Robinson, in return for a top flight RB...
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| 188 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 22:41
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Remember to post keepers and trade bait in keeper thread
AND.
Check them off on MFL!!!
Some of you have done the thread but not MFL.
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| 189 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Thu, Aug 18, 2016, 22:46
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Doug once keepers are declared and entered in MFL, I can open the draft unofficially and those who want to can pick away!!!
I am pretty sure the top 7 pickers know who they want on the short list...
We could make the official start on Wednesday at noon for you PDT folks!
Clock preference? 3 hours?
Off midnight to 8:00 am EDT? No objections, that's what I will set up...
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| 190 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 09:20
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Suggest no clock for first round anyway, followed by 4 hour clock if things aren't running well after first round, or at any other time later. To be reduced to 3 if further sanctions are required.
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| 191 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 12:13
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TD volunteered to do a first draft of the CBS rules. His offer was accepted. No rush, sometime this fall we can take a look at it.
Thanks TD
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| 192 | GO
ID: 29613422
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 22:12
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Anyone with leftovers better than Nelson Agohlar or B. Perriman let me know, I'd buy up some leftovers for a mid round pick. Please send me names + the round pick you'd take for them.
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| 193 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Aug 20, 2016, 20:51
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Well the polls are closed. Here are the results.
No changes to DST.
No IR slot.
A player on either the official NFL IR or suspended list may not be a starter in your lineup. Penalties to be determined by Labor Day 2016.
Also, no discussion of changes to either DST or IR slot until June of 2018. We are done. I am sorry not enough people voted to potentially make a difference. There is only so much a commish can do to get managers to vote.
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| 194 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Aug 20, 2016, 20:52
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If you have ideas for graduated penalties for illegal use of the IR or suspended player rule, please list here. I know some were presented before, but let's start anew.
Decision to be made by Labor Day please.
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| 195 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Aug 20, 2016, 21:20
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If you tried unsuccessfully to enter keepers today/Saturday, it was because MFL rolled over the comparable date from the 2015 season and this year we have an extra day.
Sorry about that.
Keepers close Sunday at 11:00 pm.
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| 196 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Sat, Aug 20, 2016, 21:46
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i would prefer no clock for the first couple rounds, presuming everyone picks in a timely fashion.
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| 197 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Sat, Aug 20, 2016, 21:47
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Disciplinary Principles:
1. The penalties provided at all graduated stages shall be maximum and not mandatory, with the maximum penalty being reserved for infractions that are seemingly intentional or are repeated, lesser penalties for infractions that are seemingly negligent, and still lesser penalties, or no penalty, for infractions that are purely accidental or could have occurred despite the manager's reasonable care.
Example: No penalty shall ordinarily be assessed where a player is suspended or placed on IR within two (quaere three?) days of that player's next game but is nevertheless left in the lineup. Rationale: Managers may sometimes be in a position where they set part or all of a lineup two (or three?) days in advance and miss sudden suspensions or placements on IR.
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| 198 | skinneej
ID: 42692211
Sun, Aug 21, 2016, 22:43
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Trade:
Jets get Torrey Smith + 11.15
Packers get 6.07
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| 199 | GO
ID: 29613422
Sun, Aug 21, 2016, 22:44
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Confirmed.
Will repost here, sent trade on MFL. Not sure if we can do there too or Judy has to.
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| 200 | GO
ID: 29613422
Sun, Aug 21, 2016, 22:52
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ok, thanks someone for magically putting Torrey on my squad.
keepers updated on boards as well as MFL, Torrey in, Perriman out
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| 202 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Mon, Aug 22, 2016, 08:19
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one team with no keepers posted? the Chicago Bears squad?
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| 203 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Mon, Aug 22, 2016, 08:49
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That's a strong team, a perennial NFC competitor, and I'd hate to see them messed up. I'd miss the competition.
Keepers: Palmer, Cousins, Forte, Freeman, Gore, Sanders, Walker, Jackson, and Green Bay. Church would be next.
Plug 'em in and off we go.
You're welcome.
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| 204 | Tree
ID: 2073469
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 00:51
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Any real reason to not open the draft up at this point?
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| 205 | judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 07:05
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opens at noon.
Queues are ready to go.
Slots 1, 2, 4, and 7 have queues already set.
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| 206 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 08:15
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right...so why not start it now? any reason to wait until noon, especially with 3 of the first four picks ready to go?
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| 207 | Promize
ID: 57662211
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 16:42
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Anyone tell me how we went from talks of a 3/4/no hour clock for the first rounds to just a 2 hour clock???
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| 208 | mjd
ID: 56311613
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 17:04
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Must be a mistake. Judy doesn't like using a clock unless absolutely necessary and never this early in the draft.
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| 209 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 17:18
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I am checking, I set if for no clock...
I will need to stop the draft to fix.
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| 210 | judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 18:00
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Anyone remember how to add comments after auto pick?
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| 211 | judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 18:06
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Cant seem to find initial waiver order rules. It does not appear in by laws that i can see.
It may be in a thread above.
Reverse of round one? Reverse of round two?
As penalty to Chicago for not entering keepers in a timely fashion, he will go to the bottom of the list.
Thoughts?
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| 212 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 20:17
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Reverse of round two per post 160.
The rules T-D found just say "Waiver order will be established in the order of the supplemental draft and will not reset each week." but they don't mean to put the league winner #1 and the lottery order only affects the 1st round.
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| 213 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 20:44
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I am checking, I set if for no clock...
I will need to stop the draft to fix.
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| 214 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 23:38
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1 drop in slots only seems fair for the procedural error. He effected the entire draft.
Reverse of the order of the starting draft is the usual W/W setup. We are unusual as we do not reset the order after each week in the reverse order of weekly results. "Ref did it his way"
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| 215 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 23:40
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I'd pick Round 2 in order to reflect the final standings last year for W/W setup.
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| 216 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 08:28
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Here's a question for the MFL experts among us -- is there any way to import your personalized set-up of your home page directly from one league to another?
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| 217 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 10:29
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I don't think it's a matter of "Ref doing it his way", I think it was a notion that you could use your WW pickups strategically, especially in a league with such a shallow FA pool. I think it was one of many things we voted on as a league either initially (or rejected a proposal to change) at some point, and is a decision we made that I personally still agree with. In a shallower league, sure, do the weekly resets (although even then, in a couple leagues I'm in they only reset through the first 8-10 weeks)... but in this league resetting each week would be a bit extreme.
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| 218 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 10:31
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Re: 214... why on earth would you penalize a team to drop a draft slot for someone else's procedural error?
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| 219 | skinneej
ID: 42692211
Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 14:46
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4 picks to go before mine, and I still get all giddy and worried that someone is going take "my" player. Maybe that's why I still play in this league after 15 years haha. A player I've barely researched and never heard of might be the answer to my team's future!
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| 220 | judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 20:38
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how doI add comments when a pick is automatically made for me? The box does not want to appear...?
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| 221 | judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 20:39
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212.
so waiver is the original (pre trades) draft order from round two?
non lottery
right?
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| 222 | GO
ID: 17312218
Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 21:03
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If I had to guess it's reverse of pre trade order.
Why are we not in the regular football forum anyway?
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| 223 | mjd
ID: 56311613
Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 21:17
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It's actually the order of the second round so the lottery doesn't influence it.
The non playoff teams were always meant to get that advantage. Another bit of help for rebuilders.
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| 224 | Slizz
ID: 2978203
Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 21:56
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Honestly? I like the way Ryan (GO) does it in f101.
This is a keeper league...so different waiver rules should apply. In a redraft league, I wholeheartedly agree that it should be the reverse round 2 draft order...The waiver spot is an extremely valuable commodity to sit on all season, and to reward the playoff teams puts the have nots at a sizable disadvantage.
In F101, the waiver order is re-established each week by way of record. That way it gives the teams at the bottom a chance to get back up quicker or find a keeper to get them better, faster. I find that way to be the most attractive option for keeper leagues.
Just my two cents.
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| 225 | mjd
ID: 56311613
Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 23:15
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What do you do about teams with the same record and no H2H game?
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| 226 | Slizz
ID: 2978203
Thu, Aug 25, 2016, 23:42
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Points for. Usually s good barometer of how strong the team is.
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| 227 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 07:57
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222 Becuz we're a football league. We don't belong with the general discussions.
212 Do we have to go through this every year, despite the fact that the initial waiver order has ALWAYS been the same?? I guess so. I suppose we're making progress. Last year or the year before no one noticed the waiver order wasn't set up right till a coupla days before the first pre-season waiver run. (OK, no one except me.)
224 You have it the wrong way around. In redraft leagues it makes sense to reset each week -- the bottom teams need help. In a heavy keeper league I like this approach better. It would be absurd to base your draft position on whether your record is 1-1, 2-0 or 0-2 if a gamebreaking possible long-term keeper became available via waivers. And the "rebuilders" can hoard their high choices while the competitors can blow them every week to pursue small advantages.
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| 228 | Slizz
ID: 2978203
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 09:01
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Isn't that what we want - to ensure that we have a competitive league top to bottom?
The good teams honestly don't have to worry because they're good and the bottom feeders could use some luck. Teams 8-15 get squeezed early on.
Also, any ETA on the colts 2nd round pick?
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| 229 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 09:14
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Sorry for the delay guys. I had the draft set up to send me e-mails, but apparently Gmail decided to filter it into spam...
Time to change my filter!
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| 230 | GO
ID: 17312218
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 09:19
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I guess I was confused because..
RIBC, G20 baseball leagues discussion, draft, keepers, prospects etc. are in the regular Baseball Forum.
G20, RIHC NBA leagues discussion, keepers etc. are in the regular Basketball Forum.
RIFC discussion, startup and draft discussion… and LAST year’s G24 pre-season discussion are in the regular Football Forum.
But yeah. I guess it makes perfect sense. Cause it's a football league.
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| 231 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 10:15
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RI?C is big-time and assumedly of interest to everyone, and thus in the regular sport forum.
The G leagues are crashing without an invitation; better to leave the main forum before the bouncers throw you out.
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| 232 | Toral
ID: 535571316
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 10:17
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228 Isn't that what we want - to ensure that we have a competitive league top to bottom?
Apparently not in the short term, becuz it is now clearly allowed to start players on BYE to improve one's future chances.
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| 233 | Slizz
ID: 2978203
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 10:31
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Isn't that what we want - to ensure that we have a competitive league top to bottom?
The good teams honestly don't have to worry because they're good and the bottom feeders could use some luck. Teams 8-15 get squeezed early on.
Also, any ETA on the colts 2nd round pick?
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| 234 | CT
ID: 22738610
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 12:23
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re: 219 That made me laugh skinneej. I am the same way....
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| 235 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 12:49
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RE 219 and 234: 1 pick away, Baltimore takes my guy. I HATE when that happens. And that one drained my queue. Ugh.
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| 236 | WG
ID: 35338278
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 15:05
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Anyone interested in Jimmy Graham in a small trade??
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| 237 | WG
ID: 35338278
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 15:21
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Like an upcoming pick??
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| 238 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 15:57
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Re: 232 - ...thus creating a more competitive league.
WG... what team are you? I've got an upcoming pick, possible I could move it...
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| 239 | WG
ID: 35338278
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 16:04
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KC Chiefs
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| 240 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 17:34
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FYI I'm up (Oakland Raiders at 3.24)... pick is available for trade... going to get my kid at daycare and do family dinner. If I have an offer I like after dinner, I'll take it... if not, I'll make my selection. WG will send you a note.
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| 241 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 19:05
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<218> I proposed a drop of 1 spot in the draft for the "Procedural Error" because he did not pick his "KEEPERS".
I thought that was appropriate since the league was delayed from Friday 8-19 until Monday 8-22.
As far as the reference to Ref, that was a joke.
However, who ever voted on an accumulated clock total (6 hrs)? After the time was used up, you automatically were skipped for the rest of the draft and drafted "as you could". Was that right? I sure didn't vote on it and it was put in after at least 3 years into the league's existence.
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| 242 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 19:35
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Not sure, but I think maybe the accumulated clock was tracked... and the total limit (be it 6 or 8 or however many hours) was only applied when we were in jeopardy of not finishing or if there were some repeat offenders, etc... although maybe it did become a "preventative" measure at some point, I don't recall for certain either.
Re: 218... just a miscommunication... given the timing of the post, I thought you were referring the two 2-hour clock expiring on Promize, and wanting the player that was then taken at the next pick (Henry). Had we not corrected that, he would have in effect been penalized 1 slot for a perceived procedural error (timing out). I now understand you were instead responding to the question at the end of Judy's post 211... and that makes way more sense. :)
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| 243 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 21:10
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N/P Doug :-) I am a little slow in responding sometimes. Judy had stated earlier that the clock wouldn't be enacted until 9/29.
FWIW, how long is the clock? 2 hours?
FYI - The android "Play Store" carries the MFL phone app. It's great this year, and it's free! I'm tracking the drafts of G24 & AAA#2. Gotta play with my lab or she turns into a Bezerker at Midnight! hahaha
Judy - The Apple store may also carry it.
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| 244 | mjd
ID: 56311613
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 22:28
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Ref was a stickler for the cumulative clock. Posted a chart daily. We joked about it, but it allowed us to start our draft the last possible day and still be done in time.
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| 245 | deepsnapper
ID: 55724514
Fri, Aug 26, 2016, 22:48
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Can we either start a new thread or chop this to the last 50 posts? I've got old fingers....
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| 246 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Aug 27, 2016, 22:13
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Deep, were still in the pre season...
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| 247 | mjd
ID: 56311613
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 12:30
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WOW, 6th rd kicker run with 5 rds left. Didn't see that coming and won't get sucked in this early.
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| 248 | slizz
ID: 3556212
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 14:20
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I never got (& still down) why we use two different forums (football / football leagues & standings) for G24.
To me, it is much easier to have everything under one roof. Like when I am trying to search for a certain thread or post, I have to look across two separate forums. Keeping everything in one forum would streamline everything...just my two cents.
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| 249 | slizz
ID: 3556212
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 14:23
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don't*
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| 250 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 14:28
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I think we've officially migrated over to the Football Leagues and Standings forum over the General Football forum, so there's no need to worry about the fact we were originally in the General Football forum.
We're a league and we're not RIFC. I think it's only appropriate we use the Leagues forum and not clutter the general discussion with our league's talk.
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| 251 | skinneej
ID: 42692211
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 15:07
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RE:247 Last year the Kicker run started in round 4, so a little late this year. Either you get in on the early part of the run for the top kickers or just wait to pick from the scrubs a couple rounds later. In a redraft league I never draft a K until the last round, but different story for G24.
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| 252 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 16:22
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I will move us into a new season thread once the draft is finished... Under the leagues header...
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| 253 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 16:24
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I'll put the draft recap there as well...
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| 254 | GO
ID: 17312218
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 16:51
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Perhaps Guru can opine on where he wants discussion threads.
I wouldn't exactly say we are cluttering up the football thread. There were like a dozen total threads all of last season and half were just RIFC.
I was always under the impression the Leagues and Standings forums were more for archiving of stale league data like when we got daily standings posted. Or to archive draft picks, end of season stats and then also the minor league RIXC league recaps etc.
And that the regular Football forum etc were for ongoing discussion and chatter.
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| 255 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 22:00
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Doesn't really matter anymore.
The separate leagues/standings forum was set up back when the forums were more active (more than a decade ago) , and I wanted to keep the main football forum reserved for discussion of general interest. The top RotoGuru Invitational leagues were in the main forum, but other leagues were generally asked to post in the leagues/standings forum.
Now that the forums are largely dormant except for league-related discussion, I don't really care. Suit yourself.
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| 256 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 14:57
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Draft recap and roster eval thread here.
Let's move over:
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1131&lastpost=1472669461
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| 257 | Doug
ID: 326332712
Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 16:51
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Oakland trades 10.24 and 2017 10th rounder
to
Indy for 11.01 and 2017 9th rounder
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| 258 | Kyle
Leader
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 16:54
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Agreed to the above trade.
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