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Subject: 2017 RotoGuru 14 Keeper League PRESEASON STUFF
Posted by: judy
- Dude [7771722] Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 17:12
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1 | judy Dude
ID: 7771722 Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 17:13
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Use this format to indicate if you are IN or OUT:
Judy/ Ghostwood is IN!
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2 | judy Dude
ID: 7771722 Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 17:20
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In case you forgot:
Playoffs finishes. These are not all related to draft order, except that the winner of the toilet bowl --Ghostwood-- has the #1 pick again. A dubious honor to say the least!!
Champion: IAC
Runner up: Mjd
3. Snoopdoug 4. Art of monk 5. TD 6. Ford 7. WG (with 191.48 points!!!) 8. Swingandamiss 9: RG klingons 10. Twolves
11. Ghostwood (did I mention the #1 2017 draft pick?? 🤗) 12. Oaktown 13. Vampire weekend 14. Skeepers.
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3 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 18:46
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Toral/ Ford Standard is In.
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4 | Twolves
ID: 241117622 Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 19:02
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Twolves is in
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6 | Athletics Guy
ID: 54642019 Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 20:05
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Oaktown is in
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7 | Swinganamiss
ID: 76352020 Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 21:35
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In
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8 | TD Leader
ID: 036331011 Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 21:45
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In
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9 | VampireWeekend
ID: 586112022 Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 23:12
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In
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10 | Doug
ID: 38633210 Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 01:33
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In
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11 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 09:46
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in
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12 | artofmonk
ID: 252332710 Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 16:46
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IN
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13 | mjd
ID: 47682111 Mon, Jul 24, 2017, 01:09
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IN
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14 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 15317315 Mon, Jul 24, 2017, 09:37
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IN
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15 | WG
ID: 53213822 Mon, Jul 24, 2017, 23:03
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In
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16 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Jul 26, 2017, 10:37
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I'm working on the draft grid for the upcoming season, including pick to be forfeited for each keeper candidate. Hope to have a preliminary version available for review in the next few days.
So far, I see these 2017 draft picks that were traded: mjd gets round 12 pick from ArtofMonk ArtofMonk gets round 24 pick from mjd
Does anyone recall if any others might have been done that aren't recorded on the mfl trade log?
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17 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Jul 26, 2017, 14:15
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I have tentatively identified the draft pick to be forfeited for each potential keeper in the upcoming draft.
Remember these important rules:
If a player was kept the previous year, his forfeited pick is half of the prior year’s formula pick (rounded down).
If a team drafted a player the previous year (but not as a keeper), the pick stays the same for the current year.
If a player was added during the season, the pick forfeited this year is round 24, except for players satisfying one of the following conditions: - The player was added via trade - The player was added via FCFS waivers without having gone through a blind bidding process - The player was eligible for the injured list when he was added
In general, the players eligible to be kept are from the week 13 roster (end of regular season), minus any players who were dropped after week 13.
For a more complete description of the keeper rules, see this page (scroll down for Keeper rules):
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18 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Jul 26, 2017, 14:19
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Following are my initial determinations of forfeited picks for potential keepers. A lot of manual processing was needed to produce this, so errors are certainly possible – even likely. The rules are complex (see post above).
I’d ask that each manager review the list for his/her team, and let me know if you believe anything looks wrong.
The number preceding each player's name shows the round forfeited in the 2017 draft if that player is kept. Of course, if more than one player is kept with the same round, then there are rules for assigning them to adjoining picks. But that doesn’t happen until after keepers are declared. ____________________________________________
ART OF MONK 1 Elliott, Ezekiel DAL RB 2 Olsen, Greg CAR TE 3 Tate, Golden DET WR 6 Jennings, Rashad NYG RB 7 Shepard, Sterling NYG WR 8 Blount, LeGarrette NEP RB 9 Crabtree, Michael OAK WR 10 Benjamin, Kelvin CAR WR 10 Cousins, Kirk WAS QB 11 Bennett, Martellus NEP TE 12 Taylor, Tyrod BUF QB 12 Funchess, Devin CAR WR 12 Trevathan, Danny CHI LB 13 Davis, Thomas CAR LB 14 Weddle, Eric BAL S 15 Burnett, Morgan GBP S 17 Hogan, Chris NEP WR 23 Orr, Zachary FA LB 24 Artis-Payne, Cameron CAR RB 24 Foster, Mason WAS LB 24 Janikowski, Sebastian OAK PK 24 Jernigan, Timmy BAL DE 24 Smith, Malcolm OAK LB FORD STANDARD 1 Brees, Drew NOS QB 1 Bryant, Dez DAL WR 3 Gore, Frank IND RB 4 Ajayi, Jay MIA RB 4 Henry, Derrick TEN RB 5 Ogletree, Alec RAM LB 6 Beckham, Odell NYG WR 6 Sims, Charles TBB RB 7 Dunlap, Carlos CIN DE 7 Nelson, Jordy GBP WR 7 Posluszny, Paul JAC LB 8 Eifert, Tyler CIN TE 9 Wagner, Bobby SEA LB 14 McKinnon, Jerick MIN RB 18 Wallace, Mike BAL WR 19 Ellington, Andre ARI RB 24 Bell, Vonn NOS S 24 Britt, Kenny RAM WR 24 Gillislee, Mike BUF RB 24 Siemian, Trevor DEN QB 24 Turbin, Robert IND RB GHOSTWOOD 1 Jones, Julio ATL WR 1 Wilson, Russell SEA QB 3 Gordon, Melvin SDC RB 4 Ertz, Zach PHI TE 4 Thomas, Michael NOS WR 5 Lockett, Tyler SEA WR 5 Mathews, Ryan PHI RB 6 Woodhead, Danny SDC RB 12 Dalton, Andy CIN QB 13 Smallwood, Wendell PHI RB 15 Sanu, Mohamed ATL WR 17 Jones, Chandler ARI LB 23 Harris, Chris DEN CB 23 Jefferson, Tony ARI S 24 Adams, Davante GBP WR 24 Beasley, Vic ATL LB 24 Casillas, Jonathan NYG LB 24 Chung, Patrick NEP S 24 Joseph, Linval MIN DT 24 LaFell, Brandon CIN WR 24 McDonald, Vance SFO TE 24 Nelson, Reggie OAK S 24 Roberts, Seth OAK WR 24 Sturgis, Caleb PHI PK 24 Wolfe, Derek DEN DE IAC'S KEEPERS 1 Bell, Le'Veon PIT RB 1 Kuechly, Luke CAR LB 4 David, Lavonte TBB LB 5 Donald, Aaron RAM DT 6 Manning, Eli NYG QB 6 Reed, Jordan WAS TE 7 Lee, Sean DAL LB 8 Moncrief, Donte IND WR 9 Ginn Jr., Ted CAR WR 11 Cox, Fletcher PHI DT 11 Graham, Jimmy SEA TE 12 Langford, Jeremy CHI RB 24 Beasley, Cole DAL WR 24 Bibbs, Kapri DEN RB 24 Breeland, Bashaud WAS CB 24 Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha GBP S 24 Ingram, Melvin SDC LB 24 Meredith, Cameron CHI WR 24 Montgomery, Ty GBP WR 24 Santos, Cairo KCC PK 24 Tannehill, Ryan MIA QB 24 White, James NEP RB MJD 1 Hill, Jeremy CIN RB 1 Luck, Andrew IND QB 1 Martin, Doug TBB RB 2 Hopkins, DeAndre HOU WR 5 Jones, Marvin DET WR 5 Snead, Willie NOS WR 7 Riddick, Theo DET RB 9 Campbell, Calais ARI DE 11 Alexander, Kwon TBB LB 12 Barron, Mark RAM LB 15 Flacco, Joe BAL QB 16 Cyprien, Johnathan JAC S 18 Pryor, Terrelle CLE WR 24 Brown, Zach BUF LB 24 Chancellor, Kam SEA S 24 Floyd, Michael NEP WR 24 Hayward, Casey SDC CB 24 Jones, Deion ATL LB 24 Kelley, Rob WAS RB 24 Lutz, Wil NOS PK 24 Robertson, Craig NOS LB 24 Williams, Leonard NYJ DE OAKTOWN RAIDERS 1 Hyde, Carlos SFO RB 2 Cobb, Randall GBP WR 2 Maclin, Jeremy KCC WR 2 Marshall, Brandon NYJ WR 3 Abdullah, Ameer DET RB 4 Jackson, D'Qwell IND LB 5 Palmer, Carson ARI QB 6 Bucannon, Deone ARI LB 6 Griffen, Everson MIN DE 9 Coleman, Tevin ATL RB 9 Jenkins, Malcolm PHI S 10 Mariota, Marcus TEN QB 13 Vereen, Shane NYG RB 15 Sheard, Jabaal NEP DE 16 Hauschka, Steven SEA PK 19 Thompson, Chris WAS RB 20 Cruz, Victor NYG WR 24 Asiata, Matt MIN RB 24 Berry, Eric KCC S 24 Freeman, Jerrell CHI LB 24 Hill, Tyreek KCC WR 24 Ryan, Jake GBP LB 24 Walford, Clive OAK TE 24 Williams, Tyrell SDC WR 24 Worley, Daryl CAR CB ROTOGURU KLINGONS 1 Hilton, T.Y. IND WR 4 Benjamin, Travis SDC WR 5 Anderson, C.J. DEN RB 6 Collins, Jamie CLE LB 6 Crowell, Isaiah CLE RB 6 Smith, Telvin JAC LB 7 Bortles, Blake JAC QB 7 Ware, Spencer KCC RB 8 Wilkerson, Muhammad NYJ DE 9 Lewis, Dion NEP RB 9 Stafford, Matthew DET QB 10 Booker, Devontae DEN RB 10 Vernon, Olivier NYG DE 12 Austin, Tavon RAM WR 12 Fleener, Coby NOS TE 24 Alexander, Lorenzo BUF LB 24 Bryant, Matt ATL PK 24 Cooper, Marcus ARI CB 24 Enunwa, Quincy NYJ WR 24 Gholston, William TBB DE 24 Kirksey, Christian CLE LB 24 McDougald, Bradley TBB S 24 Stills, Kenny MIA WR 24 Ward, T.J. DEN S SKEEPERS 1 Cooper, Amari OAK WR 2 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR 2 Forte, Matt NYJ RB 3 Edelman, Julian NEP WR 4 Brady, Tom NEP QB 5 Johnson, Duke CLE RB 6 Williams, DeAngelo PIT RB 7 Sanders, Emmanuel DEN WR 10 Jackson, Vincent TBB WR 12 Bennett, Michael SEA DE 12 Gostkowski, Stephen NEP PK 15 Smith, Steve FA WR 16 Dansby, Karlos CIN LB 18 Heyward, Cameron PIT DE 23 Clowney, Jadeveon HOU LB 24 Abdul-Quddus, Isa MIA S 24 Compton, Will WAS LB 24 Conte, Chris TBB S 24 Fairley, Nick NOS DT 24 Fiedorowicz, C.J. HOU TE 24 Garoppolo, Jimmy NEP QB 24 Jenkins, Janoris NYG CB 24 Starks, James GBP RB 24 Williamson, Avery TEN LB 24 Woods, Robert BUF WR SNOOP DOUGG 1 Allen, Keenan SDC WR 1 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB 1 Gurley, Todd RAM RB 1 Miller, Lamar HOU RB 1 Watkins, Sammy BUF WR 5 Robinson, Allen JAC WR 5 Walker, Delanie TEN TE 6 Jackson, DeSean WAS WR 13 Alonso, Kiko MIA LB 14 Ryan, Matt ATL QB 24 Boyd, Tyler CIN WR 24 Bradham, Nigel PHI LB 24 Brate, Cameron TBB TE 24 Buckner, DeForest SFO DE 24 Burfict, Vontaze CIN LB 24 Gordon, Josh CLE WR 24 Neal, Keanu ATL S 24 Perryman, Denzel SDC LB 24 Sharpe, Tajae TEN WR 24 Wake, Cameron MIA DE 24 Whitner, Donte WAS S SWINGANAMISS 1 Green, A.J. CIN WR 1 Lacy, Eddie GBP RB 2 Newton, Cam CAR QB 3 Freeman, Devonta ATL RB 3 Jones, Matt WAS RB 3 Landry, Jarvis MIA WR 3 Matthews, Jordan PHI WR 5 Mosley, C.J. BAL LB 8 Coleman, Corey CLE WR 9 Shazier, Ryan PIT LB 11 Ebron, Eric DET TE 12 Johnson, Derrick KCC LB 13 Collins, Landon NYG S 15 Dixon, Kenneth BAL RB 19 West, Terrance BAL RB 24 Bailey, Dan DAL PK 24 Boldin, Anquan DET WR 24 Bradford, Sam MIN QB 24 Hightower, Dont'a NEP LB 24 Hightower, Tim NOS RB 24 Hunter, Danielle MIN DE 24 Inman, Dontrelle SDC WR 24 Joseph, Karl OAK S 24 Richardson, Sheldon NYJ DE TD DRAGONS 1 Cooks, Brandin NOS WR 1 McCoy, LeSean BUF RB 2 Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB 3 Jones, Reshad MIA S 3 Kelce, Travis KCC TE 6 Murray, Latavius OAK RB 8 Sproles, Darren PHI RB 9 Hicks, Jordan PHI LB 10 Carr, Derek OAK QB 11 Jordan, Cameron NOS DE 12 Rawls, Thomas SEA RB 12 Baldwin, Doug SEA WR 18 Coates, Sammie PIT WR 18 Tucker, Justin BAL PK 20 Graham, Brandon PHI DE 22 McLeod, Rodney PHI S 24 Brown, Jatavis SDC LB 24 Garcon, Pierre WAS WR 24 Kendricks, Lance RAM TE 24 Lee, Marqise JAC WR 24 McKinney, Benardrick HOU LB 24 Royal, Eddie CHI WR 24 Timmons, Lawrence PIT LB TWOLVES 1 Peterson, Adrian MIN RB 1 Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR 2 Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB 4 Yeldon, T.J. JAC RB 5 Brown, John ARI WR 6 Ansah, Ezekiel DET DE 7 Rivers, Philip SDC QB 8 Gates, Antonio SDC TE 9 Smith, Harrison MIN S 10 Mathieu, Tyrann ARI S 12 Mack, Khalil OAK DE 12 Kendricks, Eric MIN LB 12 Parker, DeVante MIA WR 15 Howard, Jordan CHI RB 19 Bethea, Antoine SFO S 24 Bosa, Joey SDC DE 24 Crowder, Jamison WAS WR 24 Gabriel, Taylor ATL WR 24 Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB 24 Kerrigan, Ryan WAS LB 24 Prosise, C.J. SEA RB 24 Richard, Jalen OAK RB 24 Thielen, Adam MIN WR 24 Toomer, Korey SDC LB 24 Vinatieri, Adam IND PK VAMPIREWEEKEND 1 Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE 1 Murray, DeMarco TEN RB 1 Watt, J.J. HOU DE 1 Evans, Mike TBB WR 1 Romo, Tony DAL QB 2 Bernard, Giovani CIN RB 7 Winston, Jameis TBB QB 8 Treadwell, Laquon MIN WR 10 Doctson, Josh WAS WR 11 Michael, Christine GBP RB 12 Witten, Jason DAL TE 13 Miller, Von DEN LB 15 Rogers, Eli PIT WR 18 Wright, K.J. SEA LB 19 Avril, Cliff SEA DE 21 Agholor, Nelson PHI WR 23 Drake, Kenyan MIA RB 24 Crawley, Ken NOS CB 24 Davis, Demario CLE LB 24 Harrison, Damon NYG DT 24 Joyner, Lamarcus RAM CB 24 Succop, Ryan TEN PK 24 West, Charcandrick KCC RB 24 Whitehead, Tahir DET LB WG 1 Brown, Antonio PIT WR 1 Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR 1 Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB 1 Ingram, Mark NOS RB 1 Johnson, David ARI RB 7 Diggs, Stefon MIN WR 9 Fuller, Will HOU WR 10 Powell, Bilal NYJ RB 12 Brown, Preston BUF LB 12 Prescott, Dak DAL QB 13 Miller, Zach CHI TE 14 Peters, Marcus KCC CB 16 Suh, Ndamukong MIA DT 21 Wentz, Carson PHI QB 24 Clark, Frank SEA DE 24 Goff, Jared RAM QB 24 Golden, Markus ARI LB 24 Matthews, Rishard TEN WR 24 Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR 24 Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE 24 Ryan, Logan NEP CB 24 Wilson, Marquess CHI WR
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19 | artofmonk
ID: 252332710 Wed, Jul 26, 2017, 17:05
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wow that was a lot of work.
Thanks.
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20 | mjd
ID: 47682111 Thu, Jul 27, 2017, 18:57
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Yeah, huge thanks. Mine looks good.
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21 | taxman
ID: 175591019 Fri, Jul 28, 2017, 01:21
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Still interested if there's a managerial opening for RotoGuru 14 Keeper
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22 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Jul 28, 2017, 11:53
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[18] One error found so far:
Add to the list for TD Dragons: 24 Mitchell, Malcolm NEP WR
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23 | VampireWeekend
ID: 586112022 Fri, Jul 28, 2017, 13:36
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Every year a re-education...thanks for the work!
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24 | Athletics Guy
ID: 576352813 Fri, Jul 28, 2017, 14:36
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Thanks for taking the time to do that Guru
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25 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 16573015 Sun, Jul 30, 2017, 17:20
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Guru, I dropped Ebron on 10/16, and reaquired him over a full week later on 10/27, so I believe he should be Rd 24. Otherwise it looks good for me. Thx!
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26 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Jul 30, 2017, 17:30
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[25] you are correct.
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27 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Aug 01, 2017, 10:10
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League hosting cost was once again $59.95. Split 14 ways, that's $4.28 per team.
I prefer payment via paypal - send as "friends and family", to davehall@rotoguru2.com. (May also be listed as Uncommon Cents LLC)
If you cannot use paypal, then send a check via snail mail to the address listed near the bottom of the GuruPatron info page.
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28 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 76352020 Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 14:37
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Does this league follow/comply with rule changes of rifc, such as the flex rule being discussed?
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29 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 15:00
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Typically, we use RIFC rules unless otherwise stipulated.
That particular rule is one that should probably be considered separately for this league, however. On the assumption that the flex rule (as I have proposed) is technically provisional for this year (i.e., to be reviewed/reconsidered at the end of the season), I'd probably suggest that we not adopt it this year in this league, but wait to see how it goes in the RIFC.
Rules related to roster configuration for keeper leagues should probably only be changed if/when they are considered to be permanent - and even then, perhaps with at least a season of lead time.
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30 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Aug 03, 2017, 09:48
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[27] Payments received so far from IAC, Vampire Weekend, and Oaktown.
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31 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Thu, Aug 03, 2017, 22:06
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I also transferred the keepers over to your rosters.
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32 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Aug 04, 2017, 12:07
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[27] Payments received so far from IAC, Vampire Weekend, Oaktown, mjd, Toral, and Judy.
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33 | WG
ID: 53213822 Sun, Aug 06, 2017, 20:31
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Anyone need a QB? Can move two of
12 - Dak Prescott 21 - Carson Wentz 24 - Jared Goff
Let me know, thanks.
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34 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 11:54
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I just posted updated rules for the RIFC for 2017.
They fall into two categories:
1. A rule to allow for only one starting RB during bye weeks (weeks 5-11 this season). If one one RB is started in any of those weeks, then starting receivers must be either 3 WR & 2 TE, or 4WR & one TE.
2. A rule to amend the waiver rules for dropped players. Essentially dropped players are now subject to a 24 hour lockout period, after which they will be subject to the next scheduled blind bidding (currently set for Thursday at 7pm ET and Sunday at 8am ET). These extra blind bidding periods will be for dropped players only. Free agents who have gone through waivers will continue to be available FCFS starting Wednesday night.
We should probably vote on whether we want to apply either of those changes in this league for 2017.
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35 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 15:49
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Trade:
WG gets Julio (1) Ghostwood gets Wentz (21)
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36 | twolves Dude
ID: 811161317 Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 16:42
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Available: Adrian Peterson Demaryius Thomas Johnathon Stewart
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37 | WG
ID: 35338278 Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 17:02
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Confirmed.
Still open to moving 12 - Dak, preferably for a RB or TE
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38 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 17:02
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[35] interesting trade.
Effectively, Judy gets Wentz (21) plus the #1 overall pick in the draft.
WG essentially gets Julio Jones in lieu of his 5th rounder (since he has a bunch of #1 picks stacked up). He does, however, have to give up either Ingram or Alshon Jeffery - whichever one he would have deemed to be his #5 pick.
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39 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 17:16
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I just realized that C.J. Anderson should command a 6th round pick as a keeper this year, not fifth - for my team.
Probably not relevant, because if I decide to keep him, he'll get bumped down to #5 (since I. Crowell is also a 6th rounder.)
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40 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 17:52
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Yes guru Wentz plus the #1 pick. Hope I don't screw that up. Julio did well by me, but it is time to part ways...
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41 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 17:54
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Also once spreadsheet comes out, my second pick should be around 7-9...then I get to wait.
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42 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 10:53
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[27] I have now received payment (or at least been told a check's in the mail) from everyone except:
SwinganaMiss ArtofMonk Twolves
Thanks to those who followed up promptly.
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43 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 15317315 Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 13:50
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Do we have a timeline on when we need to have our keepers locked-in by (sorry if I missed this)?
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44 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 76352020 Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 16:27
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[27] Pd. Thx!
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45 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 20:59
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These are rules changes adopted by the RIFC.
PROPOSAL ONE:
For the NFL weeks when teams are on bye (weeks 5-11 in the 2017 season), starting rosters may have only one running back. If only one RB is started, then the starting receivers must be either 3 WR and 2 TE, or 4 WR and one TE.
PROPOSAL TWO:
Priority Claiming All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at 7:00pm ET on Wednesday, using a blind bidding process. Each team will be allocated a budget for the regular season of $100, with a minimum bid of $1. Ties will be broken in favor of the current standings (with applicable tiebreakers), worst-to-first. Blind bidding will use the conditional setup at MFL.
Starting at 10:00pm ET on each Wednesday, all free agents who have cleared waivers may be picked up by any team "first come, first served. " However, dropped players will subject to a one day lockout period, after which they will be subject to the next scheduled blind bidding period. Blind bidding for dropped players will be scheduled for Thursdays at 7:30pm ET and Sundays at 8:00 am ET.
During the postseason (weeks 14-16), the first weekly blind bidding will be pushed back to Thursday so that any stats corrections (which might conceivably impact playoff results from the prior weekend) can be processed. For surviving teams in the championship bracket, blind bidding will take place at 3pm ET on Thursday, with free agents released for FCFS pickup at 6pm ET. Dropped players will be subject to blind bidding only on Sunday morning at 8:00 am ET
Immediately following the draft, undrafted players will be subject to a priority claiming process (blind bidding), with tiebreaking priorities equal to the reverse of the draft selection order (i.e, the order in which team selected their draft sequence.)
Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player.
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46 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 21:04
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Here are the rules for draft order:
G. CONSOLATION BOWL AND DRAFT ORDER
A Consolation Bracket will be established for the 4 lowest ranked teams at the end of the regular season (using regular season W/L%). The teams will be seeded 1-4. In NFL Week 14, Seed 1 plays Seed 4 and Seed 2 plays Seed 3. The winners of those two games play in NFL Week 15 in the Toilet Bowl.
Draft slot 1 will be the winner of the Toilet Bowl. Draft slots 2 through 6 will be comprised of non playoff teams sorted by reverse of the previous regular seasons points for total. Draft slots 7 through 13 will be comprised of playoff teams sorted by the reverse of the previous seasons playoff seeding. Draft slot 14 will be the winner of the previous seasons playoff.
The draft will maintain the same order every round throughout (it will not snake).
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47 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 21:44
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2017 draft order, confirmed by doug (thanks)
1 ghostwood 2 luxury tax 3 Twolves 4 oaktown 5 VampireWeekend 6 Rotoguru Klingons 7 Snoop Dougg 8 mjd 9 SwinganaMiss 10 WG 11 art of monk 12 TD 13 Ford standard 14 IAC's keepers
No snake, just straight.
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48 | Doug
ID: 20722822 Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 23:28
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Is the main change compared to status quo for proposal #2 that we will now have a waiver/bid period for players dropped during the week rather than a FCFS free-for-all? If so, I support.
Proposal #1 sounds terrible to me. Managing byes is an essential part of the game IMO. Either make it a 1 RB flex league all year, or leave it as is.
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49 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 76352020 Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 08:25
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I thought guru suggested we hold off on the flex rule for 2017....since its provisional and since it's roster-effect is different in a keeper league. I figured we might vote on it for 2018 now, or just hold off entirely.
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50 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 09:15
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[48] yes, the first proposal really only impacts dropped players, who will now have to go through waivers. A couple of extra bidding periods are provided each week to "clear" many of those dropped during the week.
[48 & 49]: When asked earlier if we would automatically adopt the flex proposal, I suggested that we might defer on that for this year, given that it is a provisional rule in the RIFC this year, and that in a keeper league, roster config decisions could have longer implications. Doesn't mean we can't vote on it, though.
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51 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 21:16
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Hate to admit this, but these changes have me totally confused.
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52 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 21:49
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Proposal #1: Essentially, during weeks with byes (5-11 in 2017), one of the RB slots becomes an RB/WR flex.
Proposal #2: Previously, when a player was dropped, anyone could pounce on him immediately, FCFS.
This change would lock out dropped players from being picked up immediately. Instead, they would first have to go through a supplemental blind bidding process, giving all teams a chance to bid. If no one bids, then they are available FCFS like other free agents.
The extra two blind bidding times (Thursday and Sunday) would only be for dropped players. All other unrostered players who survived the regular Wednesday blind bidding would be subject to FCFS adds for the remainder of the week.
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53 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 16573015 Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 23:08
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#1, No for 2017 #2, Yes
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54 | Athletics Guy
ID: 39739107 Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 08:40
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#1 No - I don't think I would ever like to see this happen. I prefer how it is now and how challenging it can be to manage your teams through the byes. This makes it too easy IMO.
#2 Yes - Does the extra blind bidding period make these dropped players eligible to be late round keepers now? Before, if you were to pick them up in the FCFS period of that same week they were dropped, they would keep their original round as keepers. I assume this would be part of the change too.
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55 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 09:10
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1. No 2. Yes
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56 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 15317315 Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 09:35
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#1. Not for 2017. #2. Yes.
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57 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 10:06
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[54] Interesting question. The technical answer is yes, because the rules just say that "if a player is waived then reacquired before a blind bidding period, the player shall maintain the same keeper round status." That would no longer be possible under the new framework.
This raises an interesting potential loophole, though. Suppose a manager drops a player, and then gets that player back almost immediately through his own blind bid. Does that effectively wash the original draft number and make him a 24th rounder? If so, is that OK, or is that a loophole that should be addressed.
That loophole was actually possible before, but I don't recall it ever happening. Could backfire, too, if some other team outbids for the player.
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58 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 10:06
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#1. Not for 2017. #2. Yes.
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59 | taxman
ID: 175591019 Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 11:11
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#1 yes for 2017
#2 yes
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60 | VampireWeekend Dude
ID: 24100310 Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 11:20
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1. No 2. Yes
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61 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 11:33
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Wwe were asked to check this thread for proposed start dates, but I don't see it anywhere. Did I just miss it?
The MFL site says that Keeper declarations start on August 18 and end at 10pm on August 23, with the draft starting on August 24. Are those dates correct? Or is this calendar just a holdover from last year?
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62 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:12
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Keepers due Friday, August 18 at 7:30 PM EDT You need to enter them on MFL. You can change them until I put the final button. Draft begins UNTIMED Saturday August 19 -- hopefully I will set it up Friday night if all the keepers are in. I think I need to put keepers in their slots?? Or you do it?? Cant remember. Need to research. 24 rounds
DO YOU WANT A TIMED DRAFT? If so how much time? OR START UNTIMED UNTIL WEDNESDAY AUGUST 23 and then ???
Once draft ends all FA will be locked. Waiver request option will go in after draft ends. First waiver will run weds noon in time for opening night.
Please check this out and see if this will work
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63 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:22
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Draft begins UNTIMED Saturday August 19 -- hopefully I will set it up Friday night if all the keepers are inn.
Isn't that a tad early? About a week? From last year's thread it appears the draft opened Friday, August 26.
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64 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:25
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Labor Day is early.
Opening that weekend gives us just two weeks to finish 24 rounds,
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65 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:26
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62. I put keepers into slots.
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66 | twolves
ID: 862838 Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:27
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1. Yes although may not be as important in keeper league 2. Yes but not sure what it should means for next year draft.
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67 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:32
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Judy #1 no #2 no
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68 | twolves
ID: 862838 Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:36
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I am a little confused on draft order. Is The draft order as set up on the MFL site for this year or is above order right?
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69 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:39
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Labor Day is early.
Labor Day 2016: Monday, September 5. Labor Day 2017: Monday, September 4
So start one day earlier than last year (like RIFC is doing) and everything will work out the same. I'm really not liking the idea of doing preparation early for this draft alone, unlike every other one.
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70 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:40
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Besides -- give yourself some time to enter keepers!
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71 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:50
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Last year, the first picks in our draft were on August 25. The final picks were made on Saturday, Sept 3. The comparable start date for this year would be August 24.
That is probably OK, although I would prefer to push it later by a couple of days.
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72 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:53
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Ok by me...
So keepers due August 20? Draft begin August 24
Thoughts?
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73 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 76352020 Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 22:48
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As late as possible...thx
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74 | twolves
ID: 862838 Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 08:05
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I prefer not too late as going on vacation 29th. I should be okay if group okay with a few long intervals if my turn comes up while on plane or driving. I hate using ques except maybe last round.
Twolves
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75 | WG
ID: 35338278 Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 10:47
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Still looking to swap 12 - Dak Prescott for an offensive player you're not going to keep, if anyone interested.
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76 | mjd
ID: 47682111 Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 12:40
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Clock is a must.
The MFL queue system is the easiest.
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77 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 15317315 Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 14:11
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RE 72/Judy: Sounds good to me (with Clock please).
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78 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 15:20
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We can begin the draft unofficially once I put the keepers in their slots... Then start the clock on the 24th.
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79 | artofmonk
ID: 252332710 Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 16:09
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1. yes 2. yes
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80 | artofmonk
ID: 252332710 Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 17:38
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Looking to trade Greg Olsen-2nd rd keeper, Golden Tate- 3rd keeper, Kirk Cousins-10th rd keeper Tyrod Taylor- 12th rd keeper. Looking for draft picks.
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81 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 16573015 Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 19:57
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Guru, Why would CJ anderson be Rd 6 this year? What am I missing in the rules?
In 2015 he was a Rd 23 Keeper (I did not have a Rd 24, so he became 23).
In 2016, I traded him to you and he was Rd 11 Keeper.
In 2017, Rd down he would be 5. But you are paying a hefty luxury tax on the rounding down.
So what would make him Rd 6 ?
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82 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 16573015 Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 22:15
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Available.... 24 Danielle Hunter (top 3 DL prospect)--the #3 DL pick was in Rd 7 last year. 13 Landon Collins (#1 DB in 2016 and predicted for 2017) 5 Mosely (top 10 LB projection)--will be snatched up by Rd 5 in 2017. 24 Joseph is a bargain
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83 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 16573015 Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 04:16
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Re [myself in 81] CJA was FA in 2014, so Rd 24 in 2015, 12 in 2016, and 6 in 2017 seems right. We discussed in last year's preseason thread. It can be important for those Rd 24 (or any bumped) keepers.
I never thought much about the premium that gets paid for "Rounding Down", but RD 23-20 keepers would all be Rd 5 in 2 years. RD 7-4 would all be Rd 1 in 2 years.
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84 | artofmonk
ID: 252332710 Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 11:43
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alright I will admitted when I need help? How do I mark my keepers? I can't seem to find it on the website.
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85 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 11:56
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It's not intuitive. Using the menus at the top very top of the page...
Reports=>Franchise=>Keepers
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86 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 16:21
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Three managers have not voted on the two rules change proposals, but I think we already have closure.
Proposal #1 - related to RB flex for by weeks only yes 3, no 8
Proposal #2 - related to putting all dropped players through blind bidding before that can be added FCFS yes 10, no 1
So prop #1 already has enough no votes to fail, and prop #2 has a sufficient yes votes to pass.
The question has been asked as to whether a dropped player who is immediately claimed via blind bidding is reset to a round #24 keeper pick for the next year.
There are a lot of nuances that could potentially crop up. Previously, a player had to go through a bidding process before losing his original draft status. That also meant the player had to have been unowned for the weekend after being dropped.
Now, a player could be re-added quickly - before his upcoming game - via a late-week blind bidding. I'd suggest that if a dropped player is added via the first blind bidding opportunity following being dropped, then the draft pick carries through.
I could even see the rule being that if a player is re-added (by FCFS) before being unowned for a game weekend, then he also retains his original draft status.
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87 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 19:07
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There will be a clock. 3 or 4 hours? Add penalties for excessive us as per other rifc leagues?
The draft order is set.
I do not see any 2016 trades which impact the 2017 draft order.
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90 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 12:46
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I would skip the excessive-clock penalties for this year anyway and see how they work. They require you to levy points and keep track of them manually adjust people's clock, really tying you to the computer. There may be a lot of discussion/arguing about whether owners should be not assessed/should be forgiven their penalties becuz of special circumstances/the draft is going so fast anyway/all kinds of reasons.
Because of the way keepers are scattered among draft rounds, the draft process is a little more difficult to keep track of just when you're coming up anyway. As with the BYE rule, see how it works in RIFC and how the rule is adapted for next year. Further, you, Judy, have your own methods of getting people to speed up (as Guru noted when discussing the issue) and I think they are just as effective as the point system, if not more so.
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91 | taxman SuperDude
ID: 029463114 Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 14:43
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Judy .. Please note .. trade between SwinganaMiss and Taxman besides Freeman/Cooper player trade also included a trade of 2017 Draft Picks for rounds 3, 4 & 7 .. SwinganaMiss receives picks 3.02. 4.02 and 7.02 while Taxman receives 3.09, 4.09 and 7.09 as reflected on MFL Home page for Keeper 14
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92 | mjd
ID: 47682111 Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 14:58
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Not sure how I missed the votes. My apologies.
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93 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 22:20
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Tax and swing, if you check the draft it shows the a lot swaps and even explains them in the notation...
Right?
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94 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 18:29
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Per 72, are keepers due August 20? At what time?
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95 | mjd
ID: 47682111 Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 18:57
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Is the deadline tonight or when?
Sure would be nice to post the deadline at the top of the keeper post.
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96 | WG
ID: 35338278 Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 19:24
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Not sure how to select keepers. The navigation above just shows me all teams' keepers, doesn't let me select... from my phone.
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97 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 20:12
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To select keeps:
Reports -> franchise -> keepers (at bottom)
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98 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 20:25
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The RIFC has adopted this addition to the draft process, to encourage folks to use queues and draft on time.
DO WE WANT TO DO THIS AS WELL?
We establish a point system. If you timeout (i.e., you don’t make your pick before your allotted time expires), you accumulate 2 points.
If you exceed three hours of clock time but don’t timeout (the clock will initially be set at 4 hours), you accumulate 1 point.
Points will only be assigned after the first round of the draft or after the clock starts.
If you accumulate 2 points in total (either one timeout or two close calls), your clock time is reduced to 3 hours per pick for the remainder of the draft. That means your next timeout would be at 3 hours.
If you accumulate 4 points in total, your clock is shortened to two hours.
At 6 points, your clock is shortened to one hour. That’s the ultimate limit.
THOUGHTS??
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99 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 76352020 Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 20:29
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No need. Agree with Toral.
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100 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 21:12
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Keeps due Sunday, August 20 11:50 pm EDT. Note: only three teams have not yet posted on MFL.
Timed draft opens Thursday August 24, 8 am EDT.
The italics is just a copy paste from my other emails.
Although I did push last year with reminders, etc., my drafts suffered in all my leagues, all my teams stank. So I will be backing off a bit. Plus I am away from the computer daily from about 8-1, unless it is raining.
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101 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 21:33
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Although I did push last year with reminders, etc., my drafts suffered in all my leagues, all my teams stank. So I will be backing off a bit. Plus I am away from the computer daily from about 8-1, unless it is raining.
In that case I don't see why you would want to impose a system that requires you to keep track of points and potentially be on hand all day long to manually enforce the shorter limits. A quote from Guru's description of the system: "Commissioners will also need to enforce the shorter clocks, since the system won’t be able to handle different time limits for each manager."
It also says that commissioners will have the discretion to defer penalties if they believe the draft is moving OK and the time delays haven’t been too aggravating (or if the offending drafter has a good story.)
Do you really want to invite debates and arguments over your use of this discretion? Is there some reason you want to ask for trouble?
Let sleeping dogs lie. We don't need this system.
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102 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 432322919 Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 22:45
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I find this draft is slightly harder to keep track of... because we have keepers all over the place. I think we could benefit from a system similar to what Guru suggests.
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103 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 23:12
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I really think the concerns about the effort required for monitoring and manual enforcement are greatly exaggerated. I would volunteer to take that responsibility.
If the draft moves as it should, then it's no big deal. If it does get bogged down, you'll be glad we have a clear remedy.
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104 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 10:23
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So long as we are adopting rules from other formats, how about adding a good one -- Guru's [Injury] Insurance rule? It seems particularly useful this year if the clock is starting Thursday morning at 8 A.M.. That means people will be on the clock throughout week 3 of exhibition games, risking a clock-forced pick of a player who could down for the year with injury an hour later.
The rule: This adjustment applies only to players injured in preseason week #3. We'll "protect" a team who drafts a player before his week #3 game and who is injured in that game. If you are in that situation, you'll have a limited time to make a substitute pick - but only from the player pool still remaining.
So, for example, if Tim Tebow is drafted by Team X prior to his game on Aug 26, and Tebow is injured in that game, then Team X can jettison Tebow and substitute any other player who is still in the undrafted pool at the time of the jettison. This, however, must be done by the end of Monday, August 28.
While this obviously isn't complete insurance, it is designed to keep the draft moving during that first weekend. And it's certainly better than being stuck with an eventual free agent to replace an early draft pick. Hopefully, this situation will never come into play. Judy, will you import this rule as well?
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105 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 18:35
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Toral
Email sent.
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106 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 18:36
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Twolves asked me the following:If have 2 keeper picks in the same round (such as 12) where does second go-- round 13? If you have 2 picks in a round with one keeper does it go to your pick or highest pick in round. If you have someone else's pick for that round and if do not have your own pick I assume it goes there? This was my response: If you have two keepers in round 12, then one would go to round 12 and the other to 11.
I think if you have 3 in round 12, then they would go to 11, 12, and 13.
This allocation is specified in the rules.
I believe that if you have two 12th round picks, though (one acquired by trade), then the two keepers use your two 12th round picks.
I thought this was also spelled out in the rules, but it looks like the rules aren't that specific. This is my recollection as to how we have handled it in the past. Does anyone have any different recollection? I suspect this was all handled before - and one of the earlier threads would confirm, if I could find it - but I don't see anything in the rules relating to allocation of extra picks to keepers.
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107 | mjd
ID: 47682111 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 18:53
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Better do the insurance thing drafting this early.
24rounds minus 6 keepers is only 18 rounds. What's the rush? With the keepers filled in, this draft can fly at times.
I'd like to propose a rule that the draft not start prior to the week 3 preseason games. And always a clock so the commish doesn't have to play babysitter.
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108 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 16573015 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 19:06
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Yes, it is in the rules...
If two players on the same fantasy team are drafted in the same round and then kept, one of them counts as the next lowest (numerically) draft pick in the subsequent draft. If three players on the same team require forfeiture of equal draft rounds to be kept, the owner forfeits that round's pick, plus the two picks from the straddling rounds.
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109 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 16573015 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 19:10
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Yes, for the insurance on picks.... Is there any insurance on Keepers? Like if David Johnson's leg falls off in 3rd preseason game, does WG get any insurance compensation ?
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110 | Twolves
ID: 241117622 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 19:28
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What about if you have acquired a second pick for a round in which you have one keeper? Which pick is it assigned to? Higher or lower pick? Your original pick? Can you decide? It would be lower I suspect?
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111 | Twolves
ID: 241117622 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 19:38
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So according to swingandmiss the second 12th round would be 13th round rather than 11th?
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112 | judy Dude
ID: 7771722 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 20:19
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twolves -- this is what I interpret:
it is the next lowest number not draft slot, so it would be 11 and 12...
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113 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 76352020 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 20:33
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11 and 12 for 2 12th rd keepers
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114 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 20:52
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Judy has an e-mail out asking for opinions on start date.
It is my suggestion that the clock not start until Sunday morning August 27 SO LONG AS we are proceeding, although untimed, at the rate of at least 14 picks per day beginning with Wednesday morning.
Only 3 preseason games will remain by Sunday morning.
14 picks per day may sound low, but it is an absolute minimum, designed just to ensure we don't get totally stalled. I believe that with the Injury Insurance, people will pick sufficiently fast that an immediate clock start isn't necessary. That's the way it's worked in keeper leagues I've been in, where we've faced the same problem (and it seems to me, always end up with something like this as the solution).
I contend that with this schedule we will get the draft done no problem, especially with our fancy new Penalty Punishment Points Program.
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115 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 21:55
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[110] this is the issue that I said was not specifically addressed in the rules. What if you have two 12th round picks to begin with (i.e., one is via trade)?
I think the precedent is that the two keepers take the two 12th round picks.
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116 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 22:30
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Two teams
X and Y
X has his own keep in 12, say 12.04 Y 's keep was also in 12, so that keeper (traded to X) goes in the 12 round slot of Y?
How does that look? Deprives Y of round 12 pick, so I don't think it looks right...
?????
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117 | Twolves
ID: 241117622 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 23:04
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I think cannot trade pick which you have keeper or it reverts to next lower pick which seems foolish. However, if one has two 12th round keepers it might make sense to acquire an additional 12 th round pick to cover it via trade.
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118 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 16573015 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 23:08
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[115] Sorry I did not see the nuance. I agree there's no rule and I agree that what you said is logical and best approach. If team has 2 12 keepers and 2 12 picks, team should use those 2 12th rd picks. Team should not have to give an 11. Team can use 12.10 for 1 keeper and 12.03 for second, for example.
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119 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 23:14
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[116] in that example, Y retains use of his round 12 pick. X uses picks 11 and 12 for the two keepers.
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120 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 16573015 Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 23:15
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[116] If X has only one 12th, then X must use 11th for a second 12th keeper. Y will use Y's own 12th pick for Y. Again, sorry if I am missing something in your question Judy!
[110] I think, if you have 2 picks in 12th and one keeper, the keeper should go in the later of the two picks. I don't see a specific rule for this either, but really you just need to use "a 12th Rd pick", so the later one satisfies it.
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121 | judy Dude
ID: 7771722 Sun, Aug 20, 2017, 00:11
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the key seems to be IF you have two round 12 picks. if not and you have 2 12 rounders, one must go into 11.
For the 110, the keeper goes in the "extra" pick and you get to draft in your "normal" pick slot.
so, swing i think I agree with you.
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122 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 16573015 Sun, Aug 20, 2017, 13:25
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New question...
What is the rule in this league for position changes on keepers?
Mack was a DE last year and is now an LB. Can he remain DE? If he was traded, can he still be DE? When would he be exclusively usable as a LB?
Ingram moved from LB to DE this year. I guess he can be switched to DE? Could he be used as either?
Similarly, there is Ty Montgomery. Can he be used as either RB or WR? Does owner have to declare a position for him? Can he be a WR one week and RB the next ?
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123 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Aug 20, 2017, 14:00
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THe RIFC rule is as follows:Position eligibility Except as defined below, a players position eligibility will be that assigned by the league hosting site.
If a player is listed at one position when drafted and that position is subsequently changed by the hosting site, the manager drafting that player may elect to retain the original position. In this event, that player will keep the drafted position eligibility until he is dropped or traded, at which time the eligibility will revert to the hosting system's default position. There is no other rule in our league related to position eligibility, so by default, the RIFC rule typically prevails.
Of course, the RIFC is not a keeper league, so the concept of an off-season position change is not relevant.
Arguably, I suppose you could say that if a player is kept from one year to the next, the keeping team could keep the original position as long as the player is kept, according to a literal interpretation of those rules.
But I don't think there is any precedent for that interpretation in this league, and my assumption has always been that player position should reset at the start of each season.
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124 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 22:07
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Draft is open.
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125 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 22:12
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Untimed until Sunday 8 am, then 4 hour clock.
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126 | WG
ID: 35338278 Fri, Aug 25, 2017, 12:00
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Can someone please post a link to the draft results page?
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127 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Fri, Aug 25, 2017, 12:05
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R14 Draft Link.
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128 | WG
ID: 35338278 Fri, Aug 25, 2017, 12:36
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Thanks
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129 | Doug
ID: 20722822 Sat, Aug 26, 2017, 10:16
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Put in queue for Round 6 but likely offline most of the day (on vacation with fam) if we make it to my 7 before this evening.
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130 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sat, Aug 26, 2017, 13:37
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IAC dumps Edelman and substitutes Tyler Lockett at pick 4.14, exercising his insurance option (see post 104).
Reports have Edelman out for season with torn ACL.
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131 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Sat, Aug 26, 2017, 17:32
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130 MRI confirmed complete ACL tear. On IR for season.
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132 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Sat, Aug 26, 2017, 18:27
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IAC: I know you want to express your thanx to me for suggesting we use the Insurance rule, without which you'd have been stuck with Edelman. No fees on Paypal transfers within Canada -- and first $10 goes to Guru!
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133 | Doug
ID: 11740813 Sun, Aug 27, 2017, 17:36
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Just got home from weeklong vacay, give me a few mins, sorry for delay
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134 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Aug 28, 2017, 22:57
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Artofmonk swapped Cameron Meredith (torn ACL) for Marvin Jones, WR, Det
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135 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 09:35
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Whoops! Missed a pick, didn't know I was up.
I have e-mailed Judy and Guru with my make-up pick for 20.13
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136 | Doug
ID: 20722822 Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 16:33
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Allen Robinson to IR
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137 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Sep 18, 2017, 12:02
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Just a heads up on a rule that many probably don't remember.
With Greg Olson breaking his foot, I may be putting him on IR, which means I'd also be dropping Spencer Ware. Haven't yet decided. But...
That doesn't mean that anyone else can add Ware and get a 24th round keeper next year. Here is the relevant rule:Any player who is placed on fantasy IR shall maintain his keeper round status even if he is waived by his fantasy manager. A player placed on NFL IR maintains the status of the draft round in which he was chosen in the draft immediately prior to that season (undrafted players placed on NFL IR maintain 24th round keeper status the next year). This means that anyone picking up Ware would get him as a 7th round keeper next year. You would also have to keep him active for one weekend before you can place him on IR. (that's an RIFC rule.)
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138 | twolves Dude
ID: 811161317 Mon, Sep 18, 2017, 16:22
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Thanks for the clarification. What about players on possible return IR? I assume if dropped and picked up while still on IR that draft position holds even if you play them when they come off. If they are off IR after someone drops them this season and picked up they are 24th round?
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139 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Sep 18, 2017, 22:57
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This rule was established before IR players were eligible to return.
However, I assume that if a player is active when added to a roster, then the fact that they were previously on IR is irrelevant.
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141 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 349402521 Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 22:40
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Did you settle on a rule for this from post [86] There are a lot of nuances that could potentially crop up. Previously, a player had to go through a bidding process before losing his original draft status. That also meant the player had to have been unowned for the weekend after being dropped.
Now, a player could be re-added quickly - before his upcoming game - via a late-week blind bidding. I'd suggest that if a dropped player is added via the first blind bidding opportunity following being dropped, then the draft pick carries through.
I could even see the rule being that if a player is re-added (by FCFS) before being unowned for a game weekend, then he also retains his original draft status.
We are getting into the heavy bye weeks, so some people might get dropped that others want to pick up.
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142 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 23:34
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I don't think it's appropriate to make a rule change mid-season. While the rule, as it's stated, doesn't make complete sense in the context of putting all dropped players immediately through blind bidding, any change should have been addressed prior to the start of the season. In the absence of that, I think the rule needs to stand as stated.
But then again, I'm not the commish of this league, so my opinion isn't binding.
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143 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 76352020 Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 15:47
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Yep, just so all are under the same impression. Thx.
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144 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Nov 07, 2017, 11:30
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Before we forget, for next year I'd like to suggest the following adjustment:
If a player is waived then reacquired at the next blind bidding period, the player shall maintain the same keeper round status (i.e. where he was drafted in the current fantasy season) he had before being waived.
Comment: The current rules say that a player has to be acquired before the next blind bidding period to retain his draft number. As we've discussed above, that scenario is no longer possible.
With this rule, a player would have to first be available to anyone as a F/A pickup without cost before he would become a 24th round keeper.
We might even want to tighten it up further. But this would seem to be a minimum condition to apply.
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145 | Toral
ID: 0181517 Tue, Nov 07, 2017, 14:18
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I would support this.
Indeed although changing league rules in mid-season is undesirable and rarely appropriate, I would support adopting this rule right now. I would view it as retaining the principle of the rule before blind bidding was expanded (post 86, "Previously, a player had to go through a bidding process before losing his original draft status...") and correcting an oversight.
It is better IMO to prevent abuses before they happen (post 86, "Now, a player could be re-added quickly - before his upcoming game - via a late-week blind bidding.") than to sit back and let them occur before acting.
The rule "Don't make rule changes mid-season" is not a divine commandment. It substitutes an absolute rule for what should be a general guideline.
Why wait for some loophole-exploiter use it, followed by recriminations and ill-feeling, rather than close the loophole now?
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146 | Taxman SuperDude
ID: 029463114 Thu, Nov 09, 2017, 11:22
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agree with Alan (post #145) wordy, but dead on
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147 | TD
ID: 28812258 Thu, Nov 09, 2017, 22:40
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I support making the rule change now for the current season.
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148 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 16573015 Sat, Nov 11, 2017, 11:10
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I support the change for remainder of this season.
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149 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sat, Nov 11, 2017, 13:23
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We have six in support of the change so far - 5 above, plus twolves via email.
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150 | mjd
ID: 38914216 Tue, Nov 14, 2017, 00:38
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Next year
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151 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 76352020 Tue, Nov 14, 2017, 11:59
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For this year, I support only because there is clear opportunity for gross abuse. Hopefully we've all played together enough that it wouldn't be a problem.
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152 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 32872010 Wed, Nov 15, 2017, 15:09
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For the spirit of the rule / league... I support changing the rule immediately.
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153 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Nov 15, 2017, 21:22
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We now have 8 in favor, so I assume it has passed.
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154 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sat, Dec 02, 2017, 16:35
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The calendar for playoff weeks is slightly different than for the regular season.
1. No add/drop transactions will be allowed until at least 3pm on Tuesday. This includes submitting blind bid claims. The purpose is to allow the commissioner to get the playoffs properly seeded and to ensure that teams not active in the Championship bracket are properly excluded from further add/drop transactions.
2. There will be no blind bidding on Wednesday.
3. The first blind bidding will take place on 3pm ET on Thursday. This is so that all stats corrections can be processed on Thursday morning before any bids are processed - just in case a scoring adjustment results in a change in the previous week's game outcomes.
4. FCFS free agent pickups will begin at 6pm ET Thursday. Again, only teams still active in the Championship bracket may make add/drop transactions.
The schedule for the balance of the week will proceed as normal.
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155 | VampireWeekend Dude
ID: 24100310 Thu, Dec 07, 2017, 12:21
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Early heads up - I will not be coming back to manage vampireweekend next season. Have enjoyed the league but time to give someone else a chance.
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156 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 32872010 Tue, Dec 19, 2017, 11:21
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Congrats to Ghostwood and Twolves for making it to the finals!
It seems like the year for twolves, as he's also heading to the finals in the RIFC!!
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157 | Judy
ID: 92552311 Mon, Dec 25, 2017, 23:18
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This game is ugly. Agony to watch. Foles stinking it up... Defense not great either No energy...
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158 | Judy
ID: 35493114 Mon, Dec 25, 2017, 23:50
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Eagles got a ton of work to do...no passing attack at all.
Ugly win.
Think I got the RG14 win though, need to wait on TFL but think I am OK...
Going to bed...
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159 | twolves
ID: 5311152613 Tue, Dec 26, 2017, 14:16
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Congrats Ghostwood/Judy on the RG14 win.
The Eagles were indeed awful including A. Jeffrey. At least they won to make my son-in-law happy but not the Vikings fans.
Fortunately was not dependent on Eagles for RIFC.
Twolves
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