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0 Subject: 2017 RotoGuru 14 Keeper League PRESEASON STUFF

Posted by: judy
- Dude [7771722] Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 17:12

Use this to inform.
1judy
      Dude
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 17:13
Use this format to indicate if you are IN or OUT:

Judy/ Ghostwood is IN!
2judy
      Dude
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 17:20
In case you forgot:

Playoffs finishes.
These are not all related to draft order, except that the winner of the toilet bowl --Ghostwood-- has the #1 pick again. A dubious honor to say the least!!

Champion:
IAC

Runner up:
Mjd

3. Snoopdoug
4. Art of monk
5. TD
6. Ford
7. WG (with 191.48 points!!!)
8. Swingandamiss
9: RG klingons
10. Twolves

11. Ghostwood (did I mention the #1 2017 draft pick?? 🤗)
12. Oaktown
13. Vampire weekend
14. Skeepers.
3Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 18:46
Toral/ Ford Standard is In.
4Twolves
      ID: 241117622
      Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 19:02
Twolves is in
6Athletics Guy
      ID: 54642019
      Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 20:05
Oaktown is in
7 Swinganamiss
      ID: 76352020
      Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 21:35
In
8TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 21:45
In
9VampireWeekend
      ID: 586112022
      Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 23:12
In
10Doug
      ID: 38633210
      Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 01:33
In
11Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 09:46
in
12artofmonk
      ID: 252332710
      Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 16:46
IN
13mjd
      ID: 47682111
      Mon, Jul 24, 2017, 01:09
IN
14I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 15317315
      Mon, Jul 24, 2017, 09:37
IN
15WG
      ID: 53213822
      Mon, Jul 24, 2017, 23:03
In
16Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jul 26, 2017, 10:37
I'm working on the draft grid for the upcoming season, including pick to be forfeited for each keeper candidate. Hope to have a preliminary version available for review in the next few days.

So far, I see these 2017 draft picks that were traded:
mjd gets round 12 pick from ArtofMonk
ArtofMonk gets round 24 pick from mjd

Does anyone recall if any others might have been done that aren't recorded on the mfl trade log?
17Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jul 26, 2017, 14:15
I have tentatively identified the draft pick to be forfeited for each potential keeper in the upcoming draft.

Remember these important rules:

If a player was kept the previous year, his forfeited pick is half of the prior year’s formula pick (rounded down).

If a team drafted a player the previous year (but not as a keeper), the pick stays the same for the current year.

If a player was added during the season, the pick forfeited this year is round 24, except for players satisfying one of the following conditions:
- The player was added via trade
- The player was added via FCFS waivers without having gone through a blind bidding process
- The player was eligible for the injured list when he was added

In general, the players eligible to be kept are from the week 13 roster (end of regular season), minus any players who were dropped after week 13.

For a more complete description of the keeper rules, see this page (scroll down for Keeper rules):


18Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jul 26, 2017, 14:19
Following are my initial determinations of forfeited picks for potential keepers. A lot of manual processing was needed to produce this, so errors are certainly possible – even likely. The rules are complex (see post above).

I’d ask that each manager review the list for his/her team, and let me know if you believe anything looks wrong.

The number preceding each player's name shows the round forfeited in the 2017 draft if that player is kept. Of course, if more than one player is kept with the same round, then there are rules for assigning them to adjoining picks. But that doesn’t happen until after keepers are declared.
____________________________________________

ART OF MONK
1 Elliott, Ezekiel DAL RB
2 Olsen, Greg CAR TE
3 Tate, Golden DET WR
6 Jennings, Rashad NYG RB
7 Shepard, Sterling NYG WR
8 Blount, LeGarrette NEP RB
9 Crabtree, Michael OAK WR
10 Benjamin, Kelvin CAR WR
10 Cousins, Kirk WAS QB
11 Bennett, Martellus NEP TE
12 Taylor, Tyrod BUF QB
12 Funchess, Devin CAR WR
12 Trevathan, Danny CHI LB
13 Davis, Thomas CAR LB
14 Weddle, Eric BAL S
15 Burnett, Morgan GBP S
17 Hogan, Chris NEP WR
23 Orr, Zachary FA LB
24 Artis-Payne, Cameron CAR RB
24 Foster, Mason WAS LB
24 Janikowski, Sebastian OAK PK
24 Jernigan, Timmy BAL DE
24 Smith, Malcolm OAK LB

FORD STANDARD
1 Brees, Drew NOS QB
1 Bryant, Dez DAL WR
3 Gore, Frank IND RB
4 Ajayi, Jay MIA RB
4 Henry, Derrick TEN RB
5 Ogletree, Alec RAM LB
6 Beckham, Odell NYG WR
6 Sims, Charles TBB RB
7 Dunlap, Carlos CIN DE
7 Nelson, Jordy GBP WR
7 Posluszny, Paul JAC LB
8 Eifert, Tyler CIN TE
9 Wagner, Bobby SEA LB
14 McKinnon, Jerick MIN RB
18 Wallace, Mike BAL WR
19 Ellington, Andre ARI RB
24 Bell, Vonn NOS S
24 Britt, Kenny RAM WR
24 Gillislee, Mike BUF RB
24 Siemian, Trevor DEN QB
24 Turbin, Robert IND RB

GHOSTWOOD
1 Jones, Julio ATL WR
1 Wilson, Russell SEA QB
3 Gordon, Melvin SDC RB
4 Ertz, Zach PHI TE
4 Thomas, Michael NOS WR
5 Lockett, Tyler SEA WR
5 Mathews, Ryan PHI RB
6 Woodhead, Danny SDC RB
12 Dalton, Andy CIN QB
13 Smallwood, Wendell PHI RB
15 Sanu, Mohamed ATL WR
17 Jones, Chandler ARI LB
23 Harris, Chris DEN CB
23 Jefferson, Tony ARI S
24 Adams, Davante GBP WR
24 Beasley, Vic ATL LB
24 Casillas, Jonathan NYG LB
24 Chung, Patrick NEP S
24 Joseph, Linval MIN DT
24 LaFell, Brandon CIN WR
24 McDonald, Vance SFO TE
24 Nelson, Reggie OAK S
24 Roberts, Seth OAK WR
24 Sturgis, Caleb PHI PK
24 Wolfe, Derek DEN DE

IAC'S KEEPERS
1 Bell, Le'Veon PIT RB
1 Kuechly, Luke CAR LB
4 David, Lavonte TBB LB
5 Donald, Aaron RAM DT
6 Manning, Eli NYG QB
6 Reed, Jordan WAS TE
7 Lee, Sean DAL LB
8 Moncrief, Donte IND WR
9 Ginn Jr., Ted CAR WR
11 Cox, Fletcher PHI DT
11 Graham, Jimmy SEA TE
12 Langford, Jeremy CHI RB
24 Beasley, Cole DAL WR
24 Bibbs, Kapri DEN RB
24 Breeland, Bashaud WAS CB
24 Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha GBP S
24 Ingram, Melvin SDC LB
24 Meredith, Cameron CHI WR
24 Montgomery, Ty GBP WR
24 Santos, Cairo KCC PK
24 Tannehill, Ryan MIA QB
24 White, James NEP RB

MJD
1 Hill, Jeremy CIN RB
1 Luck, Andrew IND QB
1 Martin, Doug TBB RB
2 Hopkins, DeAndre HOU WR
5 Jones, Marvin DET WR
5 Snead, Willie NOS WR
7 Riddick, Theo DET RB
9 Campbell, Calais ARI DE
11 Alexander, Kwon TBB LB
12 Barron, Mark RAM LB
15 Flacco, Joe BAL QB
16 Cyprien, Johnathan JAC S
18 Pryor, Terrelle CLE WR
24 Brown, Zach BUF LB
24 Chancellor, Kam SEA S
24 Floyd, Michael NEP WR
24 Hayward, Casey SDC CB
24 Jones, Deion ATL LB
24 Kelley, Rob WAS RB
24 Lutz, Wil NOS PK
24 Robertson, Craig NOS LB
24 Williams, Leonard NYJ DE

OAKTOWN RAIDERS
1 Hyde, Carlos SFO RB
2 Cobb, Randall GBP WR
2 Maclin, Jeremy KCC WR
2 Marshall, Brandon NYJ WR
3 Abdullah, Ameer DET RB
4 Jackson, D'Qwell IND LB
5 Palmer, Carson ARI QB
6 Bucannon, Deone ARI LB
6 Griffen, Everson MIN DE
9 Coleman, Tevin ATL RB
9 Jenkins, Malcolm PHI S
10 Mariota, Marcus TEN QB
13 Vereen, Shane NYG RB
15 Sheard, Jabaal NEP DE
16 Hauschka, Steven SEA PK
19 Thompson, Chris WAS RB
20 Cruz, Victor NYG WR
24 Asiata, Matt MIN RB
24 Berry, Eric KCC S
24 Freeman, Jerrell CHI LB
24 Hill, Tyreek KCC WR
24 Ryan, Jake GBP LB
24 Walford, Clive OAK TE
24 Williams, Tyrell SDC WR
24 Worley, Daryl CAR CB

ROTOGURU KLINGONS
1 Hilton, T.Y. IND WR
4 Benjamin, Travis SDC WR
5 Anderson, C.J. DEN RB
6 Collins, Jamie CLE LB
6 Crowell, Isaiah CLE RB
6 Smith, Telvin JAC LB
7 Bortles, Blake JAC QB
7 Ware, Spencer KCC RB
8 Wilkerson, Muhammad NYJ DE
9 Lewis, Dion NEP RB
9 Stafford, Matthew DET QB
10 Booker, Devontae DEN RB
10 Vernon, Olivier NYG DE
12 Austin, Tavon RAM WR
12 Fleener, Coby NOS TE
24 Alexander, Lorenzo BUF LB
24 Bryant, Matt ATL PK
24 Cooper, Marcus ARI CB
24 Enunwa, Quincy NYJ WR
24 Gholston, William TBB DE
24 Kirksey, Christian CLE LB
24 McDougald, Bradley TBB S
24 Stills, Kenny MIA WR
24 Ward, T.J. DEN S

SKEEPERS
1 Cooper, Amari OAK WR
2 Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR
2 Forte, Matt NYJ RB
3 Edelman, Julian NEP WR
4 Brady, Tom NEP QB
5 Johnson, Duke CLE RB
6 Williams, DeAngelo PIT RB
7 Sanders, Emmanuel DEN WR
10 Jackson, Vincent TBB WR
12 Bennett, Michael SEA DE
12 Gostkowski, Stephen NEP PK
15 Smith, Steve FA WR
16 Dansby, Karlos CIN LB
18 Heyward, Cameron PIT DE
23 Clowney, Jadeveon HOU LB
24 Abdul-Quddus, Isa MIA S
24 Compton, Will WAS LB
24 Conte, Chris TBB S
24 Fairley, Nick NOS DT
24 Fiedorowicz, C.J. HOU TE
24 Garoppolo, Jimmy NEP QB
24 Jenkins, Janoris NYG CB
24 Starks, James GBP RB
24 Williamson, Avery TEN LB
24 Woods, Robert BUF WR

SNOOP DOUGG
1 Allen, Keenan SDC WR
1 Charles, Jamaal KCC RB
1 Gurley, Todd RAM RB
1 Miller, Lamar HOU RB
1 Watkins, Sammy BUF WR
5 Robinson, Allen JAC WR
5 Walker, Delanie TEN TE
6 Jackson, DeSean WAS WR
13 Alonso, Kiko MIA LB
14 Ryan, Matt ATL QB
24 Boyd, Tyler CIN WR
24 Bradham, Nigel PHI LB
24 Brate, Cameron TBB TE
24 Buckner, DeForest SFO DE
24 Burfict, Vontaze CIN LB
24 Gordon, Josh CLE WR
24 Neal, Keanu ATL S
24 Perryman, Denzel SDC LB
24 Sharpe, Tajae TEN WR
24 Wake, Cameron MIA DE
24 Whitner, Donte WAS S

SWINGANAMISS
1 Green, A.J. CIN WR
1 Lacy, Eddie GBP RB
2 Newton, Cam CAR QB
3 Freeman, Devonta ATL RB
3 Jones, Matt WAS RB
3 Landry, Jarvis MIA WR
3 Matthews, Jordan PHI WR
5 Mosley, C.J. BAL LB
8 Coleman, Corey CLE WR
9 Shazier, Ryan PIT LB
11 Ebron, Eric DET TE
12 Johnson, Derrick KCC LB
13 Collins, Landon NYG S
15 Dixon, Kenneth BAL RB
19 West, Terrance BAL RB
24 Bailey, Dan DAL PK
24 Boldin, Anquan DET WR
24 Bradford, Sam MIN QB
24 Hightower, Dont'a NEP LB
24 Hightower, Tim NOS RB
24 Hunter, Danielle MIN DE
24 Inman, Dontrelle SDC WR
24 Joseph, Karl OAK S
24 Richardson, Sheldon NYJ DE

TD DRAGONS
1 Cooks, Brandin NOS WR
1 McCoy, LeSean BUF RB
2 Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB
3 Jones, Reshad MIA S
3 Kelce, Travis KCC TE
6 Murray, Latavius OAK RB
8 Sproles, Darren PHI RB
9 Hicks, Jordan PHI LB
10 Carr, Derek OAK QB
11 Jordan, Cameron NOS DE
12 Rawls, Thomas SEA RB
12 Baldwin, Doug SEA WR
18 Coates, Sammie PIT WR
18 Tucker, Justin BAL PK
20 Graham, Brandon PHI DE
22 McLeod, Rodney PHI S
24 Brown, Jatavis SDC LB
24 Garcon, Pierre WAS WR
24 Kendricks, Lance RAM TE
24 Lee, Marqise JAC WR
24 McKinney, Benardrick HOU LB
24 Royal, Eddie CHI WR
24 Timmons, Lawrence PIT LB

TWOLVES
1 Peterson, Adrian MIN RB
1 Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR
2 Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB
4 Yeldon, T.J. JAC RB
5 Brown, John ARI WR
6 Ansah, Ezekiel DET DE
7 Rivers, Philip SDC QB
8 Gates, Antonio SDC TE
9 Smith, Harrison MIN S
10 Mathieu, Tyrann ARI S
12 Mack, Khalil OAK DE
12 Kendricks, Eric MIN LB
12 Parker, DeVante MIA WR
15 Howard, Jordan CHI RB
19 Bethea, Antoine SFO S
24 Bosa, Joey SDC DE
24 Crowder, Jamison WAS WR
24 Gabriel, Taylor ATL WR
24 Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB
24 Kerrigan, Ryan WAS LB
24 Prosise, C.J. SEA RB
24 Richard, Jalen OAK RB
24 Thielen, Adam MIN WR
24 Toomer, Korey SDC LB
24 Vinatieri, Adam IND PK

VAMPIREWEEKEND
1 Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE
1 Murray, DeMarco TEN RB
1 Watt, J.J. HOU DE
1 Evans, Mike TBB WR
1 Romo, Tony DAL QB
2 Bernard, Giovani CIN RB
7 Winston, Jameis TBB QB
8 Treadwell, Laquon MIN WR
10 Doctson, Josh WAS WR
11 Michael, Christine GBP RB
12 Witten, Jason DAL TE
13 Miller, Von DEN LB
15 Rogers, Eli PIT WR
18 Wright, K.J. SEA LB
19 Avril, Cliff SEA DE
21 Agholor, Nelson PHI WR
23 Drake, Kenyan MIA RB
24 Crawley, Ken NOS CB
24 Davis, Demario CLE LB
24 Harrison, Damon NYG DT
24 Joyner, Lamarcus RAM CB
24 Succop, Ryan TEN PK
24 West, Charcandrick KCC RB
24 Whitehead, Tahir DET LB

WG
1 Brown, Antonio PIT WR
1 Jeffery, Alshon CHI WR
1 Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB
1 Ingram, Mark NOS RB
1 Johnson, David ARI RB
7 Diggs, Stefon MIN WR
9 Fuller, Will HOU WR
10 Powell, Bilal NYJ RB
12 Brown, Preston BUF LB
12 Prescott, Dak DAL QB
13 Miller, Zach CHI TE
14 Peters, Marcus KCC CB
16 Suh, Ndamukong MIA DT
21 Wentz, Carson PHI QB
24 Clark, Frank SEA DE
24 Goff, Jared RAM QB
24 Golden, Markus ARI LB
24 Matthews, Rishard TEN WR
24 Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR
24 Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE
24 Ryan, Logan NEP CB
24 Wilson, Marquess CHI WR


19artofmonk
      ID: 252332710
      Wed, Jul 26, 2017, 17:05
wow that was a lot of work.

Thanks.
20mjd
      ID: 47682111
      Thu, Jul 27, 2017, 18:57
Yeah, huge thanks. Mine looks good.
21 taxman
      ID: 175591019
      Fri, Jul 28, 2017, 01:21
Still interested if there's a managerial opening for RotoGuru 14 Keeper
22Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Jul 28, 2017, 11:53
[18] One error found so far:

Add to the list for TD Dragons:
24 Mitchell, Malcolm NEP WR

23VampireWeekend
      ID: 586112022
      Fri, Jul 28, 2017, 13:36
Every year a re-education...thanks for the work!
24Athletics Guy
      ID: 576352813
      Fri, Jul 28, 2017, 14:36
Thanks for taking the time to do that Guru
25 SwinganaMiss
      ID: 16573015
      Sun, Jul 30, 2017, 17:20
Guru,
I dropped Ebron on 10/16, and reaquired him over a full week later on 10/27, so I believe he should be Rd 24.
Otherwise it looks good for me.
Thx!
26Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Jul 30, 2017, 17:30
[25] you are correct.
27Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 01, 2017, 10:10
League hosting cost was once again $59.95. Split 14 ways, that's $4.28 per team.

I prefer payment via paypal - send as "friends and family", to davehall@rotoguru2.com. (May also be listed as Uncommon Cents LLC)

If you cannot use paypal, then send a check via snail mail to the address listed near the bottom
of the GuruPatron info page.
28 SwinganaMiss
      ID: 76352020
      Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 14:37
Does this league follow/comply with rule changes of rifc, such as the flex rule being discussed?
29Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 15:00
Typically, we use RIFC rules unless otherwise stipulated.

That particular rule is one that should probably be considered separately for this league, however. On the assumption that the flex rule (as I have proposed) is technically provisional for this year (i.e., to be reviewed/reconsidered at the end of the season), I'd probably suggest that we not adopt it this year in this league, but wait to see how it goes in the RIFC.

Rules related to roster configuration for keeper leagues should probably only be changed if/when they are considered to be permanent - and even then, perhaps with at least a season of lead time.
30Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 03, 2017, 09:48
[27] Payments received so far from IAC, Vampire Weekend, and Oaktown.
31Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Thu, Aug 03, 2017, 22:06
I also transferred the keepers over to your rosters.
32Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Aug 04, 2017, 12:07
[27] Payments received so far from IAC, Vampire Weekend, Oaktown, mjd, Toral, and Judy.
33 WG
      ID: 53213822
      Sun, Aug 06, 2017, 20:31
Anyone need a QB? Can move two of

12 - Dak Prescott
21 - Carson Wentz
24 - Jared Goff

Let me know, thanks.
34Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 11:54
I just posted updated rules for the RIFC for 2017.

They fall into two categories:

1. A rule to allow for only one starting RB during bye weeks (weeks 5-11 this season). If one one RB is started in any of those weeks, then starting receivers must be either 3 WR & 2 TE, or 4WR & one TE.

2. A rule to amend the waiver rules for dropped players. Essentially dropped players are now subject to a 24 hour lockout period, after which they will be subject to the next scheduled blind bidding (currently set for Thursday at 7pm ET and Sunday at 8am ET). These extra blind bidding periods will be for dropped players only. Free agents who have gone through waivers will continue to be available FCFS starting Wednesday night.


We should probably vote on whether we want to apply either of those changes in this league for 2017.

35Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 15:49
Trade:

WG gets Julio (1)
Ghostwood gets Wentz (21)
36twolves
      Dude
      ID: 811161317
      Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 16:42
Available:
Adrian Peterson
Demaryius Thomas
Johnathon Stewart
37WG
      ID: 35338278
      Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 17:02
Confirmed.

Still open to moving 12 - Dak, preferably for a RB or TE
38Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 17:02
[35] interesting trade.

Effectively, Judy gets Wentz (21) plus the #1 overall pick in the draft.

WG essentially gets Julio Jones in lieu of his 5th rounder (since he has a bunch of #1 picks stacked up). He does, however, have to give up either Ingram or Alshon Jeffery - whichever one he would have deemed to be his #5 pick.
39Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 17:16
I just realized that C.J. Anderson should command a 6th round pick as a keeper this year, not fifth - for my team.

Probably not relevant, because if I decide to keep him, he'll get bumped down to #5 (since I. Crowell is also a 6th rounder.)
40Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 17:52
Yes guru
Wentz plus the #1 pick. Hope I don't screw that up.
Julio did well by me, but it is time to part ways...
41Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Mon, Aug 07, 2017, 17:54
Also once spreadsheet comes out, my second pick should be around 7-9...then I get to wait.
42Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 10:53
[27] I have now received payment (or at least been told a check's in the mail) from everyone except:

SwinganaMiss
ArtofMonk
Twolves

Thanks to those who followed up promptly.
43I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 15317315
      Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 13:50
Do we have a timeline on when we need to have our keepers locked-in by (sorry if I missed this)?
44SwinganaMiss
      ID: 76352020
      Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 16:27
[27] Pd. Thx!
45Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 20:59
These are rules changes adopted by the RIFC.

PROPOSAL ONE:

For the NFL weeks when teams are on bye (weeks 5-11 in the 2017 season), starting rosters may have only one running back. If only one RB is started, then the starting receivers must be either 3 WR and 2 TE, or 4 WR and one TE.

PROPOSAL TWO:

Priority Claiming
All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at 7:00pm ET on Wednesday, using a blind bidding process. Each team will be allocated a budget for the regular season of $100, with a minimum bid of $1. Ties will be broken in favor of the current standings (with applicable tiebreakers), worst-to-first. Blind bidding will use the conditional setup at MFL.

Starting at 10:00pm ET on each Wednesday, all free agents who have cleared waivers may be picked up by any team "first come, first served. " However, dropped players will subject to a one day lockout period, after which they will be subject to the next scheduled blind bidding period. Blind bidding for dropped players will be scheduled for Thursdays at 7:30pm ET and Sundays at 8:00 am ET.

During the postseason (weeks 14-16), the first weekly blind bidding will be pushed back to Thursday so that any stats corrections (which might conceivably impact playoff results from the prior weekend) can be processed. For surviving teams in the championship bracket, blind bidding will take place at 3pm ET on Thursday, with free agents released for FCFS pickup at 6pm ET. Dropped players will be subject to blind bidding only on Sunday morning at 8:00 am ET

Immediately following the draft, undrafted players will be subject to a priority claiming process (blind bidding), with tiebreaking priorities equal to the reverse of the draft selection order (i.e, the order in which team selected their draft sequence.)


Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player.
46Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 21:04
Here are the rules for draft order:

G. CONSOLATION BOWL AND DRAFT ORDER

A Consolation Bracket will be established for the 4 lowest ranked teams at the end of the regular season (using regular season W/L%). The teams will be seeded 1-4. In NFL Week 14, Seed 1 plays Seed 4 and Seed 2 plays Seed 3. The winners of those two games play in NFL Week 15 in the Toilet Bowl.

Draft slot 1 will be the winner of the Toilet Bowl.
Draft slots 2 through 6 will be comprised of non playoff teams sorted by reverse of the previous regular seasons points for total.
Draft slots 7 through 13 will be comprised of playoff teams sorted by the reverse of the previous seasons playoff seeding.
Draft slot 14 will be the winner of the previous seasons playoff.

The draft will maintain the same order every round throughout (it will not snake).
47Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 21:44
2017 draft order, confirmed by doug (thanks)

1 ghostwood
2 luxury tax
3 Twolves
4 oaktown
5 VampireWeekend
6 Rotoguru Klingons
7 Snoop Dougg
8 mjd
9 SwinganaMiss
10 WG
11 art of monk
12 TD
13 Ford standard
14 IAC's keepers

No snake, just straight.
48Doug
      ID: 20722822
      Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 23:28
Is the main change compared to status quo for proposal #2 that we will now have a waiver/bid period for players dropped during the week rather than a FCFS free-for-all? If so, I support.

Proposal #1 sounds terrible to me. Managing byes is an essential part of the game IMO. Either make it a 1 RB flex league all year, or leave it as is.
49SwinganaMiss
      ID: 76352020
      Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 08:25
I thought guru suggested we hold off on the flex rule for 2017....since its provisional and since it's roster-effect is different in a keeper league. I figured we might vote on it for 2018 now, or just hold off entirely.
50Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 09:15
[48] yes, the first proposal really only impacts dropped players, who will now have to go through waivers. A couple of extra bidding periods are provided each week to "clear" many of those dropped during the week.

[48 & 49]: When asked earlier if we would automatically adopt the flex proposal, I suggested that we might defer on that for this year, given that it is a provisional rule in the RIFC this year, and that in a keeper league, roster config decisions could have longer implications. Doesn't mean we can't vote on it, though.
51Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 21:16
Hate to admit this, but these changes have me totally confused.
52Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 21:49
Proposal #1: Essentially, during weeks with byes (5-11 in 2017), one of the RB slots becomes an RB/WR flex.

Proposal #2: Previously, when a player was dropped, anyone could pounce on him immediately, FCFS.

This change would lock out dropped players from being picked up immediately. Instead, they would first have to go through a supplemental blind bidding process, giving all teams a chance to bid. If no one bids, then they are available FCFS like other free agents.

The extra two blind bidding times (Thursday and Sunday) would only be for dropped players. All other unrostered players who survived the regular Wednesday blind bidding would be subject to FCFS adds for the remainder of the week.
53SwinganaMiss
      ID: 16573015
      Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 23:08
#1, No for 2017
#2, Yes
54Athletics Guy
      ID: 39739107
      Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 08:40
#1 No - I don't think I would ever like to see this happen. I prefer how it is now and how challenging it can be to manage your teams through the byes. This makes it too easy IMO.

#2 Yes - Does the extra blind bidding period make these dropped players eligible to be late round keepers now? Before, if you were to pick them up in the FCFS period of that same week they were dropped, they would keep their original round as keepers. I assume this would be part of the change too.
55Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 09:10
1. No
2. Yes
56I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 15317315
      Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 09:35
#1. Not for 2017.
#2. Yes.
57Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 10:06
[54] Interesting question. The technical answer is yes, because the rules just say that "if a player is waived then reacquired before a blind bidding period, the player shall maintain the same keeper round status." That would no longer be possible under the new framework.

This raises an interesting potential loophole, though. Suppose a manager drops a player, and then gets that player back almost immediately through his own blind bid. Does that effectively wash the original draft number and make him a 24th rounder? If so, is that OK, or is that a loophole that should be addressed.

That loophole was actually possible before, but I don't recall it ever happening. Could backfire, too, if some other team outbids for the player.
58Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 10:06
#1. Not for 2017.
#2. Yes.
59taxman
      ID: 175591019
      Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 11:11
#1 yes for 2017

#2 yes
60VampireWeekend
      Dude
      ID: 24100310
      Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 11:20
1. No
2. Yes
61Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 11:33
Wwe were asked to check this thread for proposed start dates, but I don't see it anywhere. Did I just miss it?

The MFL site says that Keeper declarations start on August 18 and end at 10pm on August 23, with the draft starting on August 24. Are those dates correct? Or is this calendar just a holdover from last year?
62Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:12
Keepers due Friday, August 18 at 7:30 PM EDT
You need to enter them on MFL. You can change them until I put the final button.
Draft begins UNTIMED Saturday August 19 -- hopefully I will set it up Friday night if all the keepers are in. I think I need to put keepers in their slots?? Or you do it?? Cant remember. Need to research.
24 rounds

DO YOU WANT A TIMED DRAFT? If so how much time?
OR START UNTIMED UNTIL WEDNESDAY AUGUST 23 and then ???

Once draft ends all FA will be locked.
Waiver request option will go in after draft ends.
First waiver will run weds noon in time for opening night.

Please check this out and see if this will work
63Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:22

Draft begins UNTIMED Saturday August 19 -- hopefully I will set it up Friday night if all the keepers are inn.

Isn't that a tad early? About a week? From last year's thread it appears the draft opened Friday, August 26.
64Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:25
Labor Day is early.

Opening that weekend gives us just two weeks to finish 24 rounds,
65Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:26
62. I put keepers into slots.
66twolves
      ID: 862838
      Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:27
1. Yes although may not be as important in keeper league
2. Yes but not sure what it should means for next year draft.
67Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:32
Judy
#1 no
#2 no
68twolves
      ID: 862838
      Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:36
I am a little confused on draft order. Is The draft order as set up on the MFL site for this year or is above order right?
69Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:39
Labor Day is early.

Labor Day 2016: Monday, September 5.
Labor Day 2017: Monday, September 4

So start one day earlier than last year (like RIFC is doing) and everything will work out the same. I'm really not liking the idea of doing preparation early for this draft alone, unlike every other one.
70Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:40
Besides -- give yourself some time to enter keepers!
71Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:50
Last year, the first picks in our draft were on August 25. The final picks were made on Saturday, Sept 3. The comparable start date for this year would be August 24.

That is probably OK, although I would prefer to push it later by a couple of days.
72Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 21:53
Ok by me...

So keepers due August 20?
Draft begin August 24

Thoughts?
73SwinganaMiss
      ID: 76352020
      Sun, Aug 13, 2017, 22:48
As late as possible...thx
74twolves
      ID: 862838
      Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 08:05
I prefer not too late as going on vacation 29th. I should be okay if group okay with a few long intervals if my turn comes up while on plane or driving. I hate using ques except maybe last round.

Twolves
75 WG
      ID: 35338278
      Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 10:47
Still looking to swap 12 - Dak Prescott for an offensive player you're not going to keep, if anyone interested.
76mjd
      ID: 47682111
      Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 12:40
Clock is a must.

The MFL queue system is the easiest.
77I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 15317315
      Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 14:11
RE 72/Judy: Sounds good to me (with Clock please).
78Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 15:20
We can begin the draft unofficially once I put the keepers in their slots...
Then start the clock on the 24th.
79artofmonk
      ID: 252332710
      Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 16:09
1. yes
2. yes
80 artofmonk
      ID: 252332710
      Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 17:38
Looking to trade Greg Olsen-2nd rd keeper, Golden Tate- 3rd keeper, Kirk Cousins-10th rd keeper Tyrod Taylor- 12th rd keeper.
Looking for draft picks.
81 SwinganaMiss
      ID: 16573015
      Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 19:57
Guru,
Why would CJ anderson be Rd 6 this year? What am I missing in the rules?

In 2015 he was a Rd 23 Keeper (I did not have a Rd 24, so he became 23).

In 2016, I traded him to you and he was Rd 11 Keeper.

In 2017, Rd down he would be 5. But you are paying a hefty luxury tax on the rounding down.

So what would make him Rd 6 ?
82 SwinganaMiss
      ID: 16573015
      Tue, Aug 15, 2017, 22:15
Available....
24 Danielle Hunter (top 3 DL prospect)--the #3 DL pick was in Rd 7 last year.
13 Landon Collins (#1 DB in 2016 and predicted for 2017)
5 Mosely (top 10 LB projection)--will be snatched up by Rd 5 in 2017.
24 Joseph is a bargain
83 SwinganaMiss
      ID: 16573015
      Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 04:16
Re [myself in 81] CJA was FA in 2014, so Rd 24 in 2015, 12 in 2016, and 6 in 2017 seems right. We discussed in last year's preseason thread. It can be important for those Rd 24 (or any bumped) keepers.

I never thought much about the premium that gets paid for "Rounding Down", but RD 23-20 keepers would all be Rd 5 in 2 years. RD 7-4 would all be Rd 1 in 2 years.

84artofmonk
      ID: 252332710
      Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 11:43
alright I will admitted when I need help? How do I mark my keepers? I can't seem to find it on the website.
85Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 11:56
It's not intuitive. Using the menus at the top very top of the page...

Reports=>Franchise=>Keepers



86Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 16:21
Three managers have not voted on the two rules change proposals, but I think we already have closure.

Proposal #1 - related to RB flex for by weeks only
yes 3, no 8

Proposal #2 - related to putting all dropped players through blind bidding before that can be added FCFS
yes 10, no 1

So prop #1 already has enough no votes to fail, and prop #2 has a sufficient yes votes to pass.

The question has been asked as to whether a dropped player who is immediately claimed via blind bidding is reset to a round #24 keeper pick for the next year.

There are a lot of nuances that could potentially crop up. Previously, a player had to go through a bidding process before losing his original draft status. That also meant the player had to have been unowned for the weekend after being dropped.

Now, a player could be re-added quickly - before his upcoming game - via a late-week blind bidding. I'd suggest that if a dropped player is added via the first blind bidding opportunity following being dropped, then the draft pick carries through.

I could even see the rule being that if a player is re-added (by FCFS) before being unowned for a game weekend, then he also retains his original draft status.

87Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Wed, Aug 16, 2017, 19:07
There will be a clock. 3 or 4 hours? Add penalties for excessive us as per other rifc leagues?

The draft order is set.

I do not see any 2016 trades which impact the 2017 draft order.
90Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 12:46
I would skip the excessive-clock penalties for this year anyway and see how they work. They require you to levy points and keep track of them manually adjust people's clock, really tying you to the computer. There may be a lot of discussion/arguing about whether owners should be not assessed/should be forgiven their penalties becuz of special circumstances/the draft is going so fast anyway/all kinds of reasons.

Because of the way keepers are scattered among draft rounds, the draft process is a little more difficult to keep track of just when you're coming up anyway.
As with the BYE rule, see how it works in RIFC and how the rule is adapted for next year.

Further, you, Judy, have your own methods of getting people to speed up (as Guru noted when discussing the issue) and I think they are just as effective as the point system, if not more so.
91 taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 14:43
Judy .. Please note .. trade between SwinganaMiss and Taxman besides Freeman/Cooper player trade also included a trade of 2017 Draft Picks for rounds 3, 4 & 7 .. SwinganaMiss receives picks 3.02. 4.02 and 7.02 while Taxman receives 3.09, 4.09 and 7.09 as reflected on MFL Home page for Keeper 14
92mjd
      ID: 47682111
      Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 14:58
Not sure how I missed the votes. My apologies.
93Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 22:20
Tax and swing, if you check the draft it shows the a lot swaps and even explains them in the notation...

Right?
94Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 18:29
Per 72, are keepers due August 20? At what time?
95mjd
      ID: 47682111
      Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 18:57
Is the deadline tonight or when?

Sure would be nice to post the deadline at the top of the keeper post.
96WG
      ID: 35338278
      Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 19:24
Not sure how to select keepers. The navigation above just shows me all teams' keepers, doesn't let me select... from my phone.
97Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 20:12
To select keeps:

Reports -> franchise -> keepers (at bottom)
98Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 20:25
The RIFC has adopted this addition to the draft process, to encourage folks to use queues and draft on time.

DO WE WANT TO DO THIS AS WELL?

We establish a point system. If you timeout (i.e., you don’t make your pick before your allotted time expires), you accumulate 2 points.

If you exceed three hours of clock time but don’t timeout (the clock will initially be set at 4 hours), you accumulate 1 point.

Points will only be assigned after the first round of the draft or after the clock starts.

If you accumulate 2 points in total (either one timeout or two close calls), your clock time is reduced to 3 hours per pick for the remainder of the draft. That means your next timeout would be at 3 hours.

If you accumulate 4 points in total, your clock is shortened to two hours.

At 6 points, your clock is shortened to one hour. That’s the ultimate limit.


THOUGHTS??
99SwinganaMiss
      ID: 76352020
      Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 20:29
No need. Agree with Toral.
100Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 21:12
Keeps due Sunday, August 20 11:50 pm EDT.
Note: only three teams have not yet posted on MFL.

Timed draft opens Thursday August 24, 8 am EDT.

The italics is just a copy paste from my other emails.

Although I did push last year with reminders, etc., my drafts suffered in all my leagues, all my teams stank. So I will be backing off a bit. Plus I am away from the computer daily from about 8-1, unless it is raining.
101Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 21:33

Although I did push last year with reminders, etc., my drafts suffered in all my leagues, all my teams stank. So I will be backing off a bit. Plus I am away from the computer daily from about 8-1, unless it is raining.

In that case I don't see why you would want to impose a system that requires you to keep track of points and potentially be on hand all day long to manually enforce the shorter limits. A quote from Guru's description of the system: "Commissioners will also need to enforce the shorter clocks, since the system won’t be able to handle different time limits for each manager."

It also says that commissioners will have the discretion to defer penalties if they believe the draft is moving OK and the time delays haven’t been too aggravating (or if the offending drafter has a good story.)

Do you really want to invite debates and arguments over your use of this discretion? Is there some reason you want to ask for trouble?

Let sleeping dogs lie. We don't need this system.
102I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 432322919
      Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 22:45
I find this draft is slightly harder to keep track of... because we have keepers all over the place. I think we could benefit from a system similar to what Guru suggests.
103Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Aug 18, 2017, 23:12
I really think the concerns about the effort required for monitoring and manual enforcement are greatly exaggerated. I would volunteer to take that responsibility.

If the draft moves as it should, then it's no big deal. If it does get bogged down, you'll be glad we have a clear remedy.
104Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 10:23
So long as we are adopting rules from other formats, how about adding a good one -- Guru's [Injury] Insurance rule? It seems particularly useful this year if the clock is starting Thursday morning at 8 A.M.. That means people will be on the clock throughout week 3 of exhibition games, risking a clock-forced pick of a player who could down for the year with injury an hour later.

The rule:
This adjustment applies only to players injured in preseason week #3. We'll "protect" a team who drafts a player before his week #3 game and who is injured in that game. If you are in that situation, you'll have a limited time to make a substitute pick - but only from the player pool still remaining.

So, for example, if Tim Tebow is drafted by Team X prior to his game on Aug 26, and Tebow is injured in that game, then Team X can jettison Tebow and substitute any other player who is still in the undrafted pool at the time of the jettison. This, however, must be done by the end of Monday, August 28.

While this obviously isn't complete insurance, it is designed to keep the draft moving during that first weekend. And it's certainly better than being stuck with an eventual free agent to replace an early draft pick. Hopefully, this situation will never come into play.

Judy, will you import this rule as well?
105Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 18:35
Toral

Email sent.
106Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 18:36
Twolves asked me the following:
If have 2 keeper picks in the same round (such as 12) where does second go-- round 13? If you have 2 picks in a round with one keeper does it go to your pick or highest pick in round. If you have someone else's pick for that round and if do not have your own pick I assume it goes there?
This was my response:
If you have two keepers in round 12, then one would go to round 12 and the other to 11.

I think if you have 3 in round 12, then they would go to 11, 12, and 13.

This allocation is specified in the rules.

I believe that if you have two 12th round picks, though (one acquired by trade), then the two keepers use your two 12th round picks.

I thought this was also spelled out in the rules, but it looks like the rules aren't that specific. This is my recollection as to how we have handled it in the past.
Does anyone have any different recollection? I suspect this was all handled before - and one of the earlier threads would confirm, if I could find it - but I don't see anything in the rules relating to allocation of extra picks to keepers.
107mjd
      ID: 47682111
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 18:53
Better do the insurance thing drafting this early.

24rounds minus 6 keepers is only 18 rounds. What's the rush? With the keepers filled in, this draft can fly at times.

I'd like to propose a rule that the draft not start prior to the week 3 preseason games. And always a clock so the commish doesn't have to play babysitter.

108SwinganaMiss
      ID: 16573015
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 19:06
Yes, it is in the rules...

If two players on the same fantasy team are drafted in the same round and then kept, one of them counts as the next lowest (numerically) draft pick in the subsequent draft. If three players on the same team require forfeiture of equal draft rounds to be kept, the owner forfeits that round's pick, plus the two picks from the straddling rounds.
109SwinganaMiss
      ID: 16573015
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 19:10
Yes, for the insurance on picks....
Is there any insurance on Keepers? Like if David Johnson's leg falls off in 3rd preseason game, does WG get any insurance compensation ?
110Twolves
      ID: 241117622
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 19:28
What about if you have acquired a second pick for a round in which you have one keeper? Which pick is it assigned to? Higher or lower pick? Your original pick? Can you decide? It would be lower I suspect?
111Twolves
      ID: 241117622
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 19:38
So according to swingandmiss the second 12th round would be 13th round rather than 11th?
112judy
      Dude
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 20:19
twolves -- this is what I interpret:

it is the next lowest number not draft slot, so it would be 11 and 12...
113SwinganaMiss
      ID: 76352020
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 20:33
11 and 12 for 2 12th rd keepers
114Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 20:52

Judy has an e-mail out asking for opinions on start date.

It is my suggestion that the clock not start until Sunday morning August 27 SO LONG AS we are proceeding, although untimed, at the rate of at least 14 picks per day beginning with Wednesday morning.

Only 3 preseason games will remain by Sunday morning.

14 picks per day may sound low, but it is an absolute minimum, designed just to ensure we don't get totally stalled. I believe that with the Injury Insurance, people will pick sufficiently fast that an immediate clock start isn't necessary. That's the way it's worked in keeper leagues I've been in, where we've faced the same problem (and it seems to me, always end up with something like this as the solution).

I contend that with this schedule we will get the draft done no problem, especially with our fancy new Penalty Punishment Points Program.
115Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 21:55
[110] this is the issue that I said was not specifically addressed in the rules. What if you have two 12th round picks to begin with (i.e., one is via trade)?

I think the precedent is that the two keepers take the two 12th round picks.
116Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 22:30
Two teams

X and Y

X has his own keep in 12, say 12.04
Y 's keep was also in 12, so that keeper (traded to X) goes in the 12 round slot of Y?

How does that look? Deprives Y of round 12 pick, so I don't think it looks right...

?????
117Twolves
      ID: 241117622
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 23:04
I think cannot trade pick which you have keeper or it reverts to next lower pick which seems foolish. However, if one has two 12th round keepers it might make sense to acquire an additional 12 th round pick to cover it via trade.
118SwinganaMiss
      ID: 16573015
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 23:08
[115] Sorry I did not see the nuance. I agree there's no rule and I agree that what you said is logical and best approach.
If team has 2 12 keepers and 2 12 picks, team should use those 2 12th rd picks. Team should not have to give an 11.
Team can use 12.10 for 1 keeper and 12.03 for second, for example.



119Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 23:14
[116] in that example, Y retains use of his round 12 pick. X uses picks 11 and 12 for the two keepers.

120SwinganaMiss
      ID: 16573015
      Sat, Aug 19, 2017, 23:15
[116] If X has only one 12th, then X must use 11th for a second 12th keeper. Y will use Y's own 12th pick for Y. Again, sorry if I am missing something in your question Judy!

[110] I think, if you have 2 picks in 12th and one keeper, the keeper should go in the later of the two picks. I don't see a specific rule for this either, but really you just need to use "a 12th Rd pick", so the later one satisfies it.

121judy
      Dude
      ID: 7771722
      Sun, Aug 20, 2017, 00:11
the key seems to be IF you have two round 12 picks. if not and you have 2 12 rounders, one must go into 11.

For the 110, the keeper goes in the "extra" pick and you get to draft in your "normal" pick slot.

so, swing i think I agree with you.
122SwinganaMiss
      ID: 16573015
      Sun, Aug 20, 2017, 13:25
New question...

What is the rule in this league for position changes on keepers?

Mack was a DE last year and is now an LB. Can he remain DE? If he was traded, can he still be DE? When would he be exclusively usable as a LB?

Ingram moved from LB to DE this year. I guess he can be switched to DE? Could he be used as either?

Similarly, there is Ty Montgomery. Can he be used as either RB or WR? Does owner have to declare a position for him? Can he be a WR one week and RB the next ?
123Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Aug 20, 2017, 14:00
THe RIFC rule is as follows:
Position eligibility
Except as defined below, a players position eligibility will be that assigned by the league hosting site.

If a player is listed at one position when drafted and that position is subsequently changed by the hosting site, the manager drafting that player may elect to retain the original position. In this event, that player will keep the drafted position eligibility until he is dropped or traded, at which time the eligibility will revert to the hosting system's default position.
There is no other rule in our league related to position eligibility, so by default, the RIFC rule typically prevails.

Of course, the RIFC is not a keeper league, so the concept of an off-season position change is not relevant.

Arguably, I suppose you could say that if a player is kept from one year to the next, the keeping team could keep the original position as long as the player is kept, according to a literal interpretation of those rules.

But I don't think there is any precedent for that interpretation in this league, and my assumption has always been that player position should reset at the start of each season.
124Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 22:07
Draft is open.
125Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Wed, Aug 23, 2017, 22:12
Untimed until Sunday 8 am, then 4 hour clock.
126WG
      ID: 35338278
      Fri, Aug 25, 2017, 12:00
Can someone please post a link to the draft results page?
127Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Fri, Aug 25, 2017, 12:05
R14 Draft Link.
128WG
      ID: 35338278
      Fri, Aug 25, 2017, 12:36
Thanks
129Doug
      ID: 20722822
      Sat, Aug 26, 2017, 10:16
Put in queue for Round 6 but likely offline most of the day (on vacation with fam) if we make it to my 7 before this evening.
130Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 26, 2017, 13:37
IAC dumps Edelman and substitutes Tyler Lockett at pick 4.14, exercising his insurance option (see post 104).

Reports have Edelman out for season with torn ACL.
131Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Sat, Aug 26, 2017, 17:32
130
MRI confirmed complete ACL tear. On IR for season.
132 Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Sat, Aug 26, 2017, 18:27
IAC: I know you want to express your thanx to me for suggesting we use the Insurance rule, without which you'd have been stuck with Edelman. No fees on Paypal transfers within Canada -- and first $10 goes to Guru!
133Doug
      ID: 11740813
      Sun, Aug 27, 2017, 17:36
Just got home from weeklong vacay, give me a few mins, sorry for delay
134Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Aug 28, 2017, 22:57
Artofmonk swapped Cameron Meredith (torn ACL) for Marvin Jones, WR, Det
135Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 09:35
Whoops! Missed a pick, didn't know I was up.

I have e-mailed Judy and Guru with my make-up pick for 20.13
136Doug
      ID: 20722822
      Tue, Sep 12, 2017, 16:33
Allen Robinson to IR
137Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Sep 18, 2017, 12:02
Just a heads up on a rule that many probably don't remember.

With Greg Olson breaking his foot, I may be putting him on IR, which means I'd also be dropping Spencer Ware. Haven't yet decided. But...

That doesn't mean that anyone else can add Ware and get a 24th round keeper next year. Here is the relevant rule:
Any player who is placed on fantasy IR shall maintain his keeper round status even if he is waived by his fantasy manager. A player placed on NFL IR maintains the status of the draft round in which he was chosen in the draft immediately prior to that season (undrafted players placed on NFL IR maintain 24th round keeper status the next year).
This means that anyone picking up Ware would get him as a 7th round keeper next year. You would also have to keep him active for one weekend before you can place him on IR. (that's an RIFC rule.)
138twolves
      Dude
      ID: 811161317
      Mon, Sep 18, 2017, 16:22
Thanks for the clarification. What about players on possible return IR? I assume if dropped and picked up while still on IR that draft position holds even if you play them when they come off. If they are off IR after someone drops them this season and picked up they are 24th round?
139Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Sep 18, 2017, 22:57
This rule was established before IR players were eligible to return.

However, I assume that if a player is active when added to a roster, then the fact that they were previously on IR is irrelevant.
141SwinganaMiss
      ID: 349402521
      Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 22:40
Did you settle on a rule for this from post [86]
There are a lot of nuances that could potentially crop up. Previously, a player had to go through a bidding process before losing his original draft status. That also meant the player had to have been unowned for the weekend after being dropped.

Now, a player could be re-added quickly - before his upcoming game - via a late-week blind bidding. I'd suggest that if a dropped player is added via the first blind bidding opportunity following being dropped, then the draft pick carries through.

I could even see the rule being that if a player is re-added (by FCFS) before being unowned for a game weekend, then he also retains his original draft status.


We are getting into the heavy bye weeks, so some people might get dropped that others want to pick up.
142Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 23:34
I don't think it's appropriate to make a rule change mid-season. While the rule, as it's stated, doesn't make complete sense in the context of putting all dropped players immediately through blind bidding, any change should have been addressed prior to the start of the season. In the absence of that, I think the rule needs to stand as stated.

But then again, I'm not the commish of this league, so my opinion isn't binding.
143SwinganaMiss
      ID: 76352020
      Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 15:47
Yep, just so all are under the same impression. Thx.
144Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Nov 07, 2017, 11:30
Before we forget, for next year I'd like to suggest the following adjustment:

If a player is waived then reacquired at the next blind bidding period, the player shall maintain the same keeper round status (i.e. where he was drafted in the current fantasy season) he had before being waived.

Comment: The current rules say that a player has to be acquired before the next blind bidding period to retain his draft number. As we've discussed above, that scenario is no longer possible.

With this rule, a player would have to first be available to anyone as a F/A pickup without cost before he would become a 24th round keeper.

We might even want to tighten it up further. But this would seem to be a minimum condition to apply.
145Toral
      ID: 0181517
      Tue, Nov 07, 2017, 14:18

I would support this.

Indeed although changing league rules in mid-season is undesirable and rarely appropriate, I would support adopting this rule right now. I would view it as retaining the principle of the rule before blind bidding was expanded (post 86, "Previously, a player had to go through a bidding process before losing his original draft status...") and correcting an oversight.

It is better IMO to prevent abuses before they happen (post 86, "Now, a player could be re-added quickly - before his upcoming game - via a late-week blind bidding.") than to sit back and let them occur before acting.

The rule "Don't make rule changes mid-season" is not a divine commandment. It substitutes an absolute rule for what should be a general guideline.

Why wait for some loophole-exploiter use it, followed by recriminations and ill-feeling, rather than close the loophole now?
146Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Thu, Nov 09, 2017, 11:22
agree with Alan (post #145) wordy, but dead on
147TD
      ID: 28812258
      Thu, Nov 09, 2017, 22:40
I support making the rule change now for the current season.
148SwinganaMiss
      ID: 16573015
      Sat, Nov 11, 2017, 11:10
I support the change for remainder of this season.
149Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Nov 11, 2017, 13:23
We have six in support of the change so far - 5 above, plus twolves via email.
150mjd
      ID: 38914216
      Tue, Nov 14, 2017, 00:38
Next year
151SwinganaMiss
      ID: 76352020
      Tue, Nov 14, 2017, 11:59
For this year, I support only because there is clear opportunity for gross abuse. Hopefully we've all played together enough that it wouldn't be a problem.
152I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 32872010
      Wed, Nov 15, 2017, 15:09
For the spirit of the rule / league... I support changing the rule immediately.
153Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Nov 15, 2017, 21:22
We now have 8 in favor, so I assume it has passed.
154Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Dec 02, 2017, 16:35
The calendar for playoff weeks is slightly different than for the regular season.

1. No add/drop transactions will be allowed until at least 3pm on Tuesday. This includes submitting blind bid claims. The purpose is to allow the commissioner to get the playoffs properly seeded and to ensure that teams not active in the Championship bracket are properly excluded from further add/drop transactions.

2. There will be no blind bidding on Wednesday.

3. The first blind bidding will take place on 3pm ET on Thursday. This is so that all stats corrections can be processed on Thursday morning before any bids are processed - just in case a scoring adjustment results in a change in the previous week's game outcomes.

4. FCFS free agent pickups will begin at 6pm ET Thursday. Again, only teams still active in the Championship bracket may make add/drop transactions.

The schedule for the balance of the week will proceed as normal.
155VampireWeekend
      Dude
      ID: 24100310
      Thu, Dec 07, 2017, 12:21
Early heads up - I will not be coming back to manage vampireweekend next season. Have enjoyed the league but time to give someone else a chance.
156I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 32872010
      Tue, Dec 19, 2017, 11:21
Congrats to Ghostwood and Twolves for making it to the finals!

It seems like the year for twolves, as he's also heading to the finals in the RIFC!!
157Judy
      ID: 92552311
      Mon, Dec 25, 2017, 23:18
This game is ugly.
Agony to watch.
Foles stinking it up...
Defense not great either
No energy...
158Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Mon, Dec 25, 2017, 23:50
Eagles got a ton of work to do...no passing attack at all.

Ugly win.

Think I got the RG14 win though, need to wait on TFL but think I am OK...

Going to bed...
159twolves
      ID: 5311152613
      Tue, Dec 26, 2017, 14:16
Congrats Ghostwood/Judy on the RG14 win.

The Eagles were indeed awful including A. Jeffrey. At least they won to make my son-in-law happy but not the Vikings fans.

Fortunately was not dependent on Eagles for RIFC.

Twolves



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