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0 Subject: 2020 G24

Posted by: Judy
- [124382818] Fri, May 29, 2020, 18:47

Pre season thread.

Tell us your thoughts!
1Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Fri, May 29, 2020, 19:10
re - reducing keepers down to 8.

i honestly couldn't be more opposed to it. the NFL is different than other sports, in that it has more ready-to-play players coming directly out of college - so at the beginning of the year, there can be a relatively deep talent pool, and the thought that within 3 years you might lose a 25 year old stud really bothers me.

now, if the point is to add more players to the free agent pool, then we reduce roster size, which i would not necessarily be opposed to, but also, with the sheer number of bye weeks the nfl has, the increased roster size is almost necessary to balance that.

what a conundrum!
2Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Fri, May 29, 2020, 20:46

I am in.

I oppose all your desired changes, Judy. They are stupid.
3ttucowboy
      ID: 244532919
      Fri, May 29, 2020, 20:55
In!

I’m opposed to a keeper reduction. One of the most appealing aspects of this league is that it’s a challenge. Reducing keepers would make it less of a challenge. I enjoy going dumpster diving for gems.

I’m also opposed to changing the tiebreaker rules. There is already enough variance in H2H. I like the idea of raw total points playing a role too and am 100% opposed to anything that diminishes that.

I don’t know about y’all, but I’m ready for some football!
4Slizz
      ID: 53336714
      Fri, May 29, 2020, 22:08
You already know the Buffalo Bills are in!

Yes to changing playoff tiebreak rules. At minimum I think H2H record should come into play. Then points.

No to the keeper reduction.
5Judy
      ID: 124382818
      Sat, May 30, 2020, 21:46
Yea!!!
People are talking!!!!!
6GO
      ID: 14143919
      Sun, May 31, 2020, 07:29
I'm back.
7Judy
      ID: 124382818
      Sun, May 31, 2020, 14:08
If you are indicating you’re IN for 2020, please also give your team name. Thanks.
8ttucowboy
      ID: 244532919
      Sun, May 31, 2020, 21:22
Any idea on when the lottery is going to be done? Just curious more than anything else.
9WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 01:19
In - Chiefs.
10youngroman
      ID: 515013
      Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 04:00
Bengals are in.
11Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 09:23
In - Denver is in for another season of chaos and agony.
12 GoatLocker
      ID: 492542212
      Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 11:43
Chargers are in.
As painful as it is.

GL
13Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 13:17
Lions in

Are we still not allowing teams to switch names? I'd very much love to have the Eagles if that team name is available. It's in the same division that I'm already in. I do realize I'd have to fight Judy for it. :P
14Judy
      ID: 124382818
      Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 12:11
Yea, you would nerf. I actually asked deep about it a few years ago...
15Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 17:18

New Orleans Saints -- In
________________________________

Judy, I imagine you took offence at my "stupid" comment. And understandably so.

What I probably should have said is that you are going to have to persuade people that your idea is a good one. You are going to have to give reasons.

Your proposal -- isn't it just a crutch for people who have failed to keep enuf keepers? There are managers who may have 10, 11, or even 12 good keepers. How are you going to compensate them?

Most importantly: why would having only 8 keepers make it a better league?

In the great battles of the past (e.g., removing the DST) , people made arguments why. Even so it took, I would say a decade, between the time that there was a consensus that the D/ST should be removed and time that it was accomplished.

You can't just sashay in and say "I think we should have only 8 keepers" and be taken seriously.

Toral
16skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 14:10
GB Packers are IN

Similar to above sentiment, I'm not in favor of reducing current keepers levels. BUT if there was a general consensus, it would need to follow a similar path to the D/ST where we voted on all the different options for years with multiple rejections before finding a common ground solution, then planned for a future change to take effect so teams could have time to plan for it.
17Judy
      ID: 2511617
      Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 18:11
Toral
Not offended just trying to stir the pot a bit.

Looking at how to increase the available player pool for drafting...

Especially in the early rounds.

Rounds 9-11 are pretty useless unless you get lucky...By then 408 players have been selected.

Let’s face it, once you get past your starting lineup (13 players), your bench is generally pretty weak, if you even have a decent starting lineup to begin with!

With the IR slot, that’s up to 24 more players removed from the pool because you need to pick up someone to replace them. There were 16 on IR at the end of last season.

Also depending upon the bye week schedule your projected keeper/starter lineups could be royally messed up.

Keep talking...

We still need 2 replacements...
18Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sat, Jun 06, 2020, 19:40
i'd argue that rounds 9 to 11 are far from useless - a significant number of defensive players are taken in those rounds.

I'd also put forth that if you build well enough, your bench is far from weak.

for the sake of simplicity, i'll look at my bench vs your bench, as the rosters currently stand.

my back up QB outscored your backup QB by 211 points - and almost outscored your starting QB.

my lowest scoring RB had 110 points. your highest scoring RB had 82 points.

Our 3 WRs scored about the same - but I had AJ Green injured all year, on my bench.

I'm not even looking at defense, and i'd argue i have 11 solid offensive keepers - which i obviously can't keep.

There are going to be plenty of good players available in the draft - 216 players are kept, 217 scored over 100 points last season.

You've got players who would have far surpassed 100 points if not for injuries (i've got 3 on my roster right now), and you've got a great rookie class coming in.

the late rounds of the draft may not be sexy, but there are plenty of good players to be found.
19ccrider
      ID: 58530715
      Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 16:31
Bears are IN
20 SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 17:47
Ravens are IN

I am against keeper reduction.
I agree if something like that was changed, there should be at least a 1 year prep time.

Since there are multiple openings, I would propose we setup a dispersal draft and let the two new owners (and any other teams that wish to participate) to have their own draft of the players on those teams before the normal draft begins. This could also freshen things up for teams who aren't happy w/ their current team.

If nobody is interested, or the two abandoned teams are pretty equal, then maybe it's not worth it. I don't even recall which teams are abandoned.
21Doug
      ID: 17552717
      Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 18:58
Raiders are in - My keepers are weaker than usual this year so self-interestedly SURE let's reduce number of keepers. I'm kidding though, I like the depth and dynasty nature of the league and don't see the point in diminishing that. If teams have less than 9 good keepers they should be making some mid-to-late round draft pick swaps or whatever to improve their keeper pool on the cheap... if teams aren't ensuring they've got 9 decent keepers every year, that's either laziness or lack of skill IMO... the opportunities are there every year.

On that note my keepers currently are as follows, with the guys in (parens) just misssing the cut and under consideration to bump another keeper out.

QB - J Winston, (W Grier)
RB - C McCaffery, D Henderson, (B Snell)
WR - O Beckham, N Harry, W Fuller, (S Watkins)
TE - A Hooper, (J Cook)
LB - J Baker, D Greenlaw

Everyone is tradeable, but you'd have to come up with a pretty obscenely strong offer for C-Mac or Beckham. But plenty of these guys might be keeper upgrades some on other teams.
22Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 19:10

I'm agreeing with Tree here. Completely

Maybe that's a sign that my mind is going, going gone. That I'm washed up, and need to leave.

It happened to Tom Landry. It happened to Don Shula. I remember seeing Don Shula look confused and stupefied in his last game (against the Bills, in the playoffs.) If it can happen to them, why can't it happen to me?
------------------------------

BTW if, as I gathered when I signed in, Tom Douris is an official helper, it is an excellent choice.

Judy: even better would be just to appoint skinnej as your coadjutor commissioner (look coadjutor up), someone who will automatically succeed if (cough) something should happen to you.

Toral

23Judy
      ID: 2511617
      Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 19:12
Yea, my QB play sucked. Backup was the back up to the starter, same team. Hardly got to play...offense poor as well...
24Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Jun 08, 2020, 09:34
I'm agreeing with Tree here. Completely

Maybe that's a sign that my mind is going, going gone.


lol. probably so. :D
25Bobo
      ID: 34512812
      Mon, Jun 08, 2020, 13:12
I am in. Minnesota Vikings,

I've also reached out to a great friend and fantasy player to share about one of the two team openings.

I am opposed to a keeper reduction.
26GO
      ID: 14143919
      Mon, Jun 08, 2020, 13:16
R-Money who is in G20 NBA i believe previously posted interest.
27 TD
      ID: 2751815
      Mon, Jun 08, 2020, 16:01
I am in. NY Giants.
28TD
      ID: 2751815
      Mon, Jun 08, 2020, 16:18
One rule change I propose is to add a team QB position. A team QB could be used in place of a real QB, but the would only get 75% of the points of a real QB. For example, A passing TD is worth 4 points for a real QB. It would be worth 3 points for a team QB.

Team QBs can be drafted like any other player. I am open to alternative ways of initially drafting team QBs.

The reason I propose this is because of the scarcity of QBs. It is very difficult and sometimes impossible to have an good QB backup plan. Many teams are not able to have a QB in their lineup especially during bye weeks. This takes away form the competitiveness of the league.


29 taxman
      ID: 46530518
      Mon, Jun 08, 2020, 22:12
Houston is in
30R-Money
      ID: 153121721
      Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 13:13
Per GO @#26 Confirmed. Interested in joining if openings.
31SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 14:32
QB does often become a problem in this league. I was also thinking that turning the QB position into a SF position might help as well.
I think such a move might be an easier transition than adding Team QB.

Either scenario drastically impacts the value of the QBs (75% of BALT QB would have been QB5 on the year in 2019), so it should be a year or two transition.
32SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 14:33
BTW Doug, Dre Greenlaw is not keeper eligible since you added him after week 13.
33GO
      ID: 552592314
      Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 15:50
I previously suggested Team QB, not sure its an option or not on MFL, so that would be first step.

Next issue would be what do you do with teams that have 2 of them... ala Foles on one team, Tribisky on another. Who gets Bears QB? Obviously Slizz cause he's a Bears fan. But still :)
34Nerfherders
      ID: 305301811
      Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 15:58
I kinda like the team QB idea. I would make it 50% of a QB's points, and if possible, make the position either/or. You either play a QB, OR a team QB. You can't play both in the same week. It'd definitely not be an ideal situation for anyone to use regularly, but would at least give you 10-15 points on a bye week, and if your QB goes down, you're not f'ed.
35Nerfherders
      ID: 305301811
      Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 16:00
Re: 33 I assume you'd draft a team QB separate, so you could have Nick Foles as your QB, and KC as your team QB. In which case you'd have some interesting choices to make.
36Judy
      ID: 2511617
      Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 21:47
I just sent a support ticket into see if a flex of any kind can be a stand alone position... I can’t find it, but it might be there. Will let you know,

Note that I am not sure exactly what TD is proposing, but have asked him to explain.
37Judy
      ID: 2511617
      Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 21:48
Swing

What’s an SF position?
38 SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 22:31
Sure Judy,

SF= Superflex.

This is pretty popular recently. Many Superflex leagues have 1 QB position and then one SF position.
It's a FLEX of QB, RB, WR, and TE in most dynasty leagues, which really bumps up the value of QB since they are typically the highest scorers.

Since we have 24 teams we could not ADD a SF. We could only replace the current QB slot with a SF slot. This would give some flexibility to teams that don't have a QB. For me, I could start a bench WR, RB, or TE in that slot when Watson is on bye or if he got injured.

39 Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 06:26

1. On reflection I think it is better if Judy appoints one or two "helpers" than move directly to appointing a co-Commissioner. Appoint a helper or two and see how it works out.

2. Of the ideas for change mentioned so far, SwinganaMiss's idea of replacing the QB slot with a Superflex appears to me most promising. It's probably too radical to pass the first year that it's suggested, but, this year, if you have no-one to use when your QB is on bye, or your #1 QB gets injured, ask yourself if you wouldn't prefer to have a Superflex position there.
40R-Money
      ID: 153121721
      Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 10:40
Per Judys Request, Formally applying for ownership

Roto Leagues include

Football 101 "F101" since 2016
Roto wrestling league since 2016
Basketball G20 since 2019
Baseball RIBC AA this year

Other Leagues
16 team high stakes keeper auction league since 2018 (inaugural)
2019 Fantasy Footballers Mega contest qualifier (top 3 of group of 12 after week 10.)
Work Redraft league 12-14 members since 2012
Various one off leagues
41Doug
      ID: 11740813
      Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 15:45
RE: 32 my bad, thx for the catch, didn’t think to check playoff roster moves

RE: QB, I love the idea of adding TQBs at a discounted scoring rate, and then adding a SF slot (that TQB is eligible for). So for the traditional QB roster slot, you can play either a QB or TQB, and in the new SF slot it’s TQB/RB/WR/TE. So between QB and SF roster slots you can play it as QB/TQB, QB/flex, TQB/TQB, or TQB/flex.

42Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 16:22
while i'm not opposed to a superflex position instead of a QB position, that's just not a change you make a couple months before a season is made - that's a change made for at least one, maybe two seasons down the road.

that being said, i'd rather the team QB position be put into place in 1 to 2 years. i think that's a great idea, and will ensure you have a QB playing every game, save for your bye week.
43 SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 17:21
I agree, either SF or TQB should be a year out or more.

SF is "easier" because we don't have to figure out a way to fairly introduce 32 new players into the player pool. I think a TQB introduction would almost require a FAAB auction, so everyone can have a legit shot at each TQB. But, this league doesn't use blind bidding at the moment---so even that is tricky.
44Judy
      ID: 2511617
      Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 22:02
Testing something
45Jim
      ID: 6531010
      Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 23:28
Per Judy's request, I'm posting my interest in joining the league as well. I was initially invited by Tom Bobo.

I've been playing Fantasy Football since 2002, and have played in a vast number of leagues with friends, co-workers and other random one-off leagues along the way. I have also run or helped to run at least 8-10 leagues through that time, some that have been around for 10+ years at this point.

I'm an active player, Tom Bobo and Tree can both attest to that. I hate when teams aren't active as it ruins the integrity of the matchups as well as the fun of trying to "one up" your opponent. I've been looking for a larger league like this, with some dynasty parameters as you've got them set for some time now, and think this league would be a great fit, and since I know Tom and Tree, I know the level of competition and engagement will be high.

I look forward to hopefully joining your ranks this season!
46Tree
      ID: 571142323
      Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 00:59
Re 43.

I'm not sure some sort of auction draft is necessary - we have precedent in this league, when we did away with team Def.

Basically, where your QB finishes in the ranks, is where you draft your team QB in a one round draft.

The players who have Mahomes or Dak should have ample opportunity to continue the return on their investment, if they so choose.
47SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 13:19
Tree, I am talking about if we leave QBs in the pool and introduce TQB in addition. Then it's dicey. That was the initial proposal anyway---adding TQB and allowing you to use either your existing QB or a drafted TQB.

If we completely replace QB with TQB, then I agree w/ you that we can do handle it in similar fashion to DEF.
48SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 13:21
BTW, totally replacing QB w/ TQB will not help w/ the scarcity of QBs issue we have. It would make it worse actually.
49Bobo
      ID: 265151618
      Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 19:15
I wanted to take some time to process the options before responding.

I am for a super flex position over a Team QB approach.

The super flex gives teams the ultimate option to maximize roster depth on the offensive side of the ball. I also think it rewards player research, drafting, and development. The flex also alleviates the issue of the QB bye.

A concern I have with a Team QB approach is that it could create inequity for teams fortunate enough to have 2 of the teams or perhaps more. This would create another rule to adhere to and educate players on (read: moderate). I can’t imagine, as competitive players, we’d leave the “lower” 8 team QBs on the market.

Those are my first two items to share in response to this discussion after sleeping on it for a few.
50Slizz
      ID: 53336714
      Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 15:49
Hard no on Team QB...no reason or rationale necessary.

At first I was intrigued by a superflex as it would make sense for bye weeks, etc. However, without a doubt, it will get abused and you will have teams not even field a QB at all. No incentives to trade, etc. In fantasy you need a QB as we (G24) try and mimic a complete roster...let’s try to keep to that.

I think in the event that your QB goes down on IR and you are unable to replace him either via trade etc. we can explore creating that option potentially for your squad.

That opens up another thing WG suggested while I was in G20...a league committee for trades / integrity. I’m a big fan of that and think it would also alleviate some burden on the commissioner.
51R-Money
      ID: 153121721
      Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 17:19
What about some type of potential handicap for anyone that has Zero of the 32 Active Starters

Example

Brees scoring 20PPG goes on IR. You have various second stringer on the bench.

Beginning of next week you get to choose to either Start Tua/Herbert/Hurts/ etc and hope its the game they take over or they get put in for 3 option Tds OR you can take 50% of Your starters average: 10 pts.



52WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 19:49
I'd probably vote for no change.

But if there has to be a change, what about some compromise like the superflex spot is only worth 50% points? So you can use it during your starting QB's bye and get 5-10 points vs 0. If you starting QB goes down or gets benched, you can continue to use the superflex and get those 5-10 points a week OR decide if trading for a QB to get the higher 100% upside out of the QB/SF slot is a better play for you. If the goal is to eliminate all these 0s, something like this can accomplish that, although Jay's concern about abuse isn't assuaged too much.
53taxman
      ID: 46530518
      Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 20:22
I'm with WG @ no change. League has a long history of QB problems on bye weeks/injuries. If it ain't broke....don't fix it.
54Jim
      ID: 6531010
      Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 20:52
Not sure that I get a vote at this point as I'm not officially in yet, but definitely wouldn't like a Team QB option replacing individuals, as in a 24 team league, that's a recipe for disaster unless limits of 1 per team are in place, which screws you on the bye week in that case too. As it is in a 24 team league, it's tough (which attracts me to the league) don't make it down right impossible.

I also wouldn't be in favor of a Team QB slot in addition to the individual QB slot, or the suggested "you can pick if you want to start a team QB or an individual QB". Too messy.
55ttucowboy
      ID: 28511723
      Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 00:05
Put me down as a vote for NO change. I haven’t read a compelling reason to make such a drastic change. Not only that, but the suggestions would take away some of the challenge(s) associated with being in a deep league (challenges I enjoy). If you want to make sure you have a QB for bye weeks, I’d suggest sticking to 12-16 team leagues (even then no guarantees but point remains).

I’m in favor of an expansion draft for the new owners to draft out of a pool of players from the vacated teams. I like that it would give the new managers a more immediate impact/opportunity in what direction they want to take their franchise. Would be fun to follow as well!
56Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 12:31
I can see both sides. It'd be fun to have another toy to play with in TQB, but on the other hand, for my team, not having a QB for one week isn't necessarily a loss. I'm 144-116 overall, and 7-7 on weeks playing with no QB. It's a .053 drop in winning percentage, at least for my team.
57taxman
      ID: 46530518
      Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 13:00
I’m in favor of an expansion draft for the new owners to draft out of a pool of players from the vacated teams. I like that it would give the new managers a more immediate impact/opportunity in what direction they want to take their franchise. Would be fun to follow as well

Best new idea I've seen in a while...I 2nd the motion
58Slizz
      ID: 53336714
      Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 13:42
The majority I have spoken to have been in favor of divesting both teams assets into a 2-team expansion draft...1 problem exists with that:

Rookie draft lottery. A simple fix that wouldn’t impact the rest of the league is to have a choice:

Winner of the coin flip gets to choose between pick 1.05 odds in the draft / lottery or the #1 pick in the special expansion draft (presumably Michael Thomas).

That way, the rest of the league is not impacted.

Also, petition to allow Judy to change her teams name from the Cardinals to the Eagles 🤣
59SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 20:50
I know you guys don't want to give me credit, but when I suggested a dispersal draft in post 20, that is basically the same as an expansion draft. I also suggested that we could open it up to any teams that want a fresh start. So, we have 2 replacement managers and maybe another few managers want to give up their players and get into a dispersal/expansion draft to "start over".
To deal with rookie draft, we could easily include the rookie draft picks as part of the expansion draft. So in the expansion draft the first selection could be Michael Thomas, then 1.05, then Aaron Rodgers, then David Montgomery, then 1.19, etc etc.

This would likely be a normal snake draft that we would draw for positions. We could make it ~20 rounds or so---enough to give everyone a chance to build a keeper pool and a bank of rookie picks. Maybe one player goes heavy on early rookie picks, and another goes for the vets and late rookie picks....anything could happen.

Anyway---opening it up to other teams may be more than anyone wants to undertake, but I would be willing if people are interested in doing so.
60R-Money
      ID: 153121721
      Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 22:38
RE:59

Inspired by this but slightly different - instead of Dispersal more like renovation

Have the first 9 rounds Snake or ABB snake, for any Non-kept player, for the two "new" teams and give existing teams a chance to renovate by not keeping 9 players and earning a round in the snake draft. Once round 10 hits we move to the regular draft. In the below example Sliz decides to only keep 6 players and swing only keeps 8 (hypothetical of course gents):


1.01 New team A (coin toss decided)
1.02 New Team B
2.01 New Team B
2.02 New Team A

Wash rinse repeat until....

7.01 New Team A
7.02 Sliz
7.03 New Team B
8.01 New Team B
8.02 SLIZ
8.03 New Team A
9.01 New TEam A
9.02 Swing
9.03 Sliz
9.04 New Team B

Then we roll right into standard order for Round 10 (pre-lotto listed)- Where the rookie pool becomes available.

1. Packers, 5-21 (1358 points)
2. Chargers, 5-21 (1553)
3. Colts, 6-20
4. 49ers, 7-19
5. Panthers, 8-18 *NEW TEAM B
6. Bengals, 9-17
7. Cowboys, 11-15 (1500)
8. Bears, 11-15 (1527)
9. Lions, 12-14
10. Cardinals, 13-13 (1453)
11. Broncos, 13-13 (1753)
12. Saints, 14-12
13. Bills, 15-11 (1509)
14. Browns, 15–11 (1846)
15. Texans, 15-11 (1912)
16. Jaguars, 16-10
—————————
17. Vikings 15-11, lost NFC Divisional
18. Eagles, 16-10, lost NFC Divisional *NEW TEAM A* - since they got first pick
19. Raiders, 17-9, lost AFC Divisional
20. Jets, 18-8, lost AFC Divisional
21. Giants, 17-9 (1816), lost NFC Championship
22. Chiefs, 17-9 (1930), lost AFC Championship
23. Ravens, 20-6, runner-up
24. Seahawks, 17-9, G24 Champ

- and keep it moving from there.

This way you could drop a 9th keeper and have a chance at a better 9th keeper, do a full or a half reset

Its not a perfect suggestion and im sure some details would need to be worked out but I think this is more straight forward and opportunistic.
61Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 09:07
i'm a bit confused with the rookie draft talk - maybe i missed something?

are we suggested a different draft for rookies? or including them in the expansion draft?
62SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 09:56
Sorry Tree, I said "Rookie draft" but I was talking about our normal yearly draft.

When I am talking "dispersal draft", I am talking about TEAM A and TEAM B having a separate two-team draft of only the players that were on TEAM A and TEAM B.

So, this draft would have players from Philly and Carolina only, along with Philly and Carolinas draft picks for the main draft.
So, R-Money and Person2 would have a snake draft with Michael Thomas, David Montgomery, Aaron Rodgers, AJ Klein, Dan Bailey, Bridgewater, Conner, Guice, etc etc and could also select from those two teams (Main) Draft picks---1.05,1.18, 2.05, 2.18, 3.05, 3.18, etc etc.

Then if R-money draws 1st pick in this draft, he can take Michael Thomas, then Person2 gets two picks (maybe Aaron Rodgers and 1.05), then R-Money takes Bridgewater and Guice, etc etc. until both teams have 9ish keepable players and 11 draft picks.

Now, I added the idea of any other team giving up their players and going into the dispersal draft. In that case DENVER BRONCOS could give up their players and picks in the Main draft, and then Brady, Cohen, Gallup, Amos, 1.11,2.11,3.11, etc would be added to dispersal draft pool and DENVER owner would go into the dispersal draft as a 3rd entry(not necessarily 3rd pick). Any number of owners could opt for this, or maybe none would.

Anyway, I prefer the ALL-OR-NOTHING choice. You enter the dispersal or you don't. Makes it a tough choice on whether to enter the expansion. If you have 8 good keepers, make a trade and get 1 more. If you have 5-6, throw them back and enter the dispersal. I think that the renovation is a detriment to trading because the people with 7-8 keepers won't try to find that 9th.

And I prefer that dispersal/renovation is limited to the players on the teams involved. Dispersal draft could be done any time (even before keeper declaration). Renovation has to be done after keepers are declared. Also, renovation might reduce some value of the 1st rd of the main draft.

Anyway, there are a number of viable options so I hope others can weigh in to narrow the choices. We should try to decide sooner than later, as it could impact people's intentions to make trades or sit tight.

63R-Money
      ID: 153121721
      Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 11:29
I like everything about your idea except drafting the draft picks. That being said if its the best idea ill support it.

64Slizz
      ID: 53336714
      Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 12:01
I like the outside the box thinking.

I would vote against it for the impact it would have on the supplemental draft picks but I get (& respect) your rationale...
65Jim
      ID: 6531010
      Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 17:42
As the potential Person2 in the theories tossed about, I'm game for anything really, love drafting, so a dispersal or expansion draft sounds great to me. I'm also happy to take over one of the teams "as is" and just have to do the work to take what I inherit (much like a new head coach in the NFL) and mold it into what I think will keep me competitive, etc.
66Judy
      ID: 345142420
      Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 21:14
Just got back and need to read these threads. Sorry for my delay.
67Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 12:54
i like the idea, but would likely vote against it. it messes up any planning that might have been made for the current draft and potential players released from their teams.

also - And I prefer that dispersal/renovation is limited to the players on the teams involved. Dispersal draft could be done any time (even before keeper declaration). Renovation has to be done after keepers are declared.

how do the two new teams do a renovation if they haven't named keepers because theoretically they don't have any because all players are in the draft pool.
68skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 14:15
I prefer to keep it simple. If the new teams want to do a dispersal draft that only includes the current players on their teams and then select the 9 keepers from that, I'm fine with it. If they want to keep their current teams as is and build from there like we've always done that's cool too. The draft for any non-keeper players should be separate and done once all teams have selected keepers per our usual structure.

I don't really like the idea of returning teams getting to reset their teams just because they don't like them now. This is a 24 team dynasty league and that's part of the challenge. The setup and draft process of this league already favors those teams that finish near the bottom one year so they can often complete the next year, and it also makes it harder for top teams to be good every year. That's a good balance in my mind and gives us pretty good parity.
69 WG
      Donor
      ID: 35338278
      Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 14:42
I tend to agree with Skineej but I can understand if recent expansion teams were given ‘worse’ teams than the ones available now, they may not be too happy about newcomers getting better teams than they got, and I think that point is fair enough to allow anyone who wants to enter the dispersal draft to join. Agreed it complicates a few things with the draft slot and division, though, so maybe it’s not best for the league. Either way, I’d think the new teams would probably prefer to have some decision sooner than later so they can start looking over their teams and talking trade.

Probably far to early but amidst covid I personally find the distraction of looking over my team and considering trade options a welcome undertaking, so if anyone is interested in exploring trade talks let me know. Kansas City Chiefs have a couple extra keeper options I’m looking to package into fewer.
70twolves
      ID: 265572810
      Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 11:57
I think for new managers, they should inherit teams and they will be changed over time by draft and FA.
There is a pretty good turnover of players on any given team in a year. THis has been for all new managers to date. As a new manager, it has been interesting to try to build a more competitive team.

Despite the advantage to poor teams, I am against a separate rookie draft. I think building a team should involve choice of established veterans versus taking risk on rookies with potential.

Trading should be part of the game and I think some of the suggested ideas would definitely decrease trading.
71SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 17:19
I just threw out the dispersal draft idea because
1) I remember being an expansion team a couple of years ago and inheriting what I considered a "clearly inferior" team, and it did leave a sour taste.
2) I have heard a lot of talk about dispersals in dynasty circles, usually involving the option for other teams to throw in and reset. Sounds fun.

I don't have a vested interest in dispersal or allowing opt-ins. I wouldn't opt into it even if it was an option. But, I thought it could mix things up a bit and add some extra excitement. Ultimately if there are two teams that are fairly even and both sides are fine to draw one of the two, keep it simple and go that route.
72SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 17:27
Tree[67] Renovation, as described in [60], would have 22 teams declaring their keepers and then the renovation draft would occur and those 2 teams could pick from any non-kept non-rookies (which would include all of the current players from Philly and Carolina).

They would each draft 9 players in that draft to be considered as their keepers, and then all teams would have 9 keepers going into the regular 2020 draft.
73Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 21:03
I agree with Skinneej @ post 68

Much to be said for keeping it simple.
74Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 08:08

I agree with Skinneej @ post 68.
75Judy
      ID: 345142420
      Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 20:04
Welcome to Jim and Rick our new managers.

Jim will manage the Eagles.
Rick will manage the Panthers.

76Jim
      ID: 95522919
      Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 20:52
Glad to be aboard!
77R-Money
      ID: 153121721
      Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 07:18
Likewise - Cheers everyone. Trade offers will be coming out!
78GO
      ID: 14143919
      Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 08:44
And the Panthers travel 27 feet across the Citibank office cubicles from Thumqer to R$...
79Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 09:19
ha!
80R-Money
      ID: 153121721
      Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 17:59
I am glad I picked the Panthers for that comment alone.
81ttucowboy
      ID: 125373018
      Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 19:37
Welcome Jim and Rick!
82WG
      Donor
      ID: 35338278
      Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 10:28
Welcome Jim and Rick!
83 ttucowboy
      ID: 125373018
      Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 15:28
Now that my future HOF QB Stidham has seemingly gone up in flames as a 9th keeper, I’m in the market and looking to buy. For anyone with notable leftovers, please keep the poor in mind (aka me). Thank you!
84Judy
      ID: 51626120
      Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 21:55
Here is the link to post keepers And those you plan to drop.

And those you might be willing to trade...

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1182#1591758394
85Judy
      ID: 51626120
      Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 21:59
BTW,

I have no idea when we will start the draft as the 1/4 preseason games have been cancelled,

Honestly, I wonder if there will be a season. What happens in the non contact sport of baseball may give us a clue. Feeling really badly for all the minor leaguers whose careers may well be over...

PA just added mandatory masks outdoors unless social distancing. For those of you in the states in trouble, please stay safe.
86WG
      Donor
      ID: 35338278
      Thu, Jul 02, 2020, 15:08
New guys may want to post emails to help kick off trade talks??
87R-Money - Panthers
      ID: 153121721
      Thu, Jul 02, 2020, 16:28
Rickmahan@yahoo.com
88Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sat, Jul 04, 2020, 11:38
Trade Announcement

Caroline sends Derrius "Give me that shot with a chaser of Pickle" Guice, Russell "Tonight's Main Event in a Steel" Gage, and a 5th round pick

to Denver for:

Sterling "I Feel Like I Should Make A Speech: Get Back To Work" Shepard, Chandler "Me and Mrs." Jones, and a 10th round pick.
89Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sat, Jul 04, 2020, 12:08
*Carolina
90R-Money
      ID: 153121721
      Sat, Jul 04, 2020, 17:10
Ill use caroline but only if its Sweet Caroline....

BUM BUM BUMMMMMM
91Jim
      ID: 6531010
      Sun, Jul 05, 2020, 09:11
Jimthy@gmail.com is my e-mail...always willing to look at deals!
92Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sun, Jul 05, 2020, 17:07
btw, welcome aboard Jimthy! you're in for a wild ride here....
93 GoatLocker
      ID: 1611722
      Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 23:11
Welcome aboard Jim and Rick.
94Slizz
      ID: 53336714
      Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 15:17
Guru is running the odds for the G24 Lottery! At least give us something to discuss from now until preseason...As a reminder:

G24 Lottery Odds

1. Packers, 5-21 (1358 points)
2. Chargers, 5-21 (1553)
3. Colts, 6-20
4. 49ers, 7-19
5. Panthers, 8-18
6. Bengals, 9-17
7. Cowboys, 11-15 (1500)
8. Bears, 11-15 (1527)
9. Lions, 12-14
10. Cardinals, 13-13 (1453)
11. Broncos, 13-13 (1753)
12. Saints, 14-12
13. Bills, 15-11 (1509)
14. Browns, 15–11 (1846)
15. Texans, 15-11 (1912)
16. Jaguars, 16-10
—————————
17. Vikings 15-11, lost NFC Divisional
18. Eagles, 16-10, lost NFC Divisional
19. Raiders, 17-9, lost AFC Divisional
20. Jets, 18-8, lost AFC Divisional
21. Giants, 17-9 (1816), lost NFC Championship
22. Chiefs, 17-9 (1930), lost AFC Championship
23. Ravens, 20-6, runner-up
24. Seahawks, 17-9, G24 Champ
95Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 15:34
Lottery has been run

Pick #1: Packers
Pick #2: Bengals
Pick #3: Colts
Pick #4 Panthers

Notes:
Packers had a 25% chance to be selected
Bengals were at 5.9%
Colts were at 14.7%
Panthers were at 8%

Chargers are the hard luck team, getting shut out in spite of a 20% chance to be selected each time. The odds of this 20% team getting shut out in all four of these picks was 26.4% (i.e., there was a 73.6% chance that this team would get one of the top four lottery picks.)

Spreadsheet with full results is at http://rotoguru1.com/foot/G24-Aug20-14x4_balls.xls
97slizz
      ID: 446481414
      Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 15:59
Thanks for running, Guru!

G24 Round 1 Draft Order:

1. Packers
2. Bengals
3. Colts
4. Panthers
5. Chargers
6. 49ers
7. Cowboys
8. Bears
9. Lions
10. Cardinals
11. Broncos
12. Saints
13. Bills
14. Browns
15. Texans
16. Jaguars
17. Vikings
18. Eagles
19. Raiders
20. Jets
21. Giants
22. Chiefs
23. Ravens
24. Seahawks

G24 Rounds 2-11 Base Draft Order:

1. Packers
2. Chargers
3. Colts
4. 49ers
5. Panthers
6. Bengals
7. Cowboys
8. Bears
9. Lions
10. Cardinals
11. Broncos
12. Saints
13. Bills
14. Browns
15. Texans
16. Jaguars
17. Vikings
18. Eagles
19. Raiders
20. Jets
21. Giants
22. Chiefs
23. Ravens
24. Seahawks

Now that we have some clarity on the draft...Let the trading begin!
98Judy
      ID: 56401221
      Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 16:27
I’ll enter the order sometime this week...
99skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 18:13
Cool, I finally won one of these things. I think this is my first #1 overall pick that didn't involve a trade since we started this league. For being so bad last year, I do have a fairly strong squad still and hopefully the injuries will not plague me again as bad. Hard to figure out the last keeper as 8 are fairly set and then at least 3 others considering for the last spot. Guys like OJ Howard, Clowney, Myles Jack, etc. could be available for draft pick swaps for those interested.
100 GoatLocker
      Dude
      ID: 060151121
      Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 21:06
When the team sucks and I can't even win a draft lottery.
101Tree
      ID: 571142323
      Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 20:05
Well, so much for that Derrius Guice trade...
102SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 16:31
Really we should have some contingency on 2021 draft pick order if
1) Season is killed completely
2) Season is killed half-way through

And of course, what we might do for prizes in the event that the season is cut short. Might roll the dues over into 2021 and skip prizes, or award places based on W/L or points.
103Judy
      ID: 7716819
      Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 20:16
Most people have a credit or roll their winnings over to the next season. We can decide that in December, no rush there.
104Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 20:45

Leagues are setting a minimum number of weeks for the season to count. I believe the FFPC has a 6-week threshold. Seems a touch low ro me.

Whatever number is chosen, I would suggest that W/L with the usual tiebreakers determine the champion and money winners if the week-threshold is met.

If the season is cancelled before the week-threshold is reached, basically it didn't happen, dues payments roll over, and what we do about a 2021 draft order I don't know.
105SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Sun, Aug 09, 2020, 15:44
2021 draft order is the toughest issue--especially in such a large league. Difference between 1.01 and 1.24 is huge (not to mention all the other rounds).

If the season is cancelled, I could see rolling back the entire 2020 draft and using the same order--then in 2021 the draft would include 2020 and 2021 rookies (plus non-kept vets)--but that may not be perfect solution.
106Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 13:21
*IF* do a 2020 draft, i don't see rolling it back being something we can do. that draft has to mean something.

if we don't have final standings in 2020, let's just have fun with 2021, and have the draft be alphabetical by city name, beginning with D-E-N-V-E-R.

I kid. Instead, if there are no final standings for 2020, let's just draw numbers, and whatever number you draw lets you determine your place in the draft, but in 2021 the draft is SNAKE.
107Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 16:00
If we have a 2020 draft, but no season... What if we lottery the whole 2021 first round based on 2019 finish, and then snake the rest?

If we have a partial 2020 season that's more than 4 weeks but less than 7, we have the same above but based on 2020 finish.

If we have at last 7 weeks, results count and we continue 2021 as normal. draft order based on record and tie-breakers.
108ttucowboy
      ID: 47461017
      Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 18:46
Agree with Tree in post 106 except let’s start with Dallas. ;-)

All kidding aside, I was going to suggest what Tree seriously suggested. If there is no measurable 2020 season, make the 2021 draft a random draw and let the teams pick where they want from the random draw for a SNAKE draft.

I also think we need to have a 2020 draft and have that draft stand regardless of what happens with the 2020 season.
109Judy
      ID: 7716819
      Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 19:23
Possible calendar:

Select Keepers:
Wed Aug 12 2020 12:15 p.m. ET
until Sat Aug 29 2020 8:00 p.m. ET

Draft begins:
Sun Aug 30 2020 4:00 p.m. ET

110Jim
      ID: 6531010
      Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 10:44
I agree with the idea of having a 2020 draft regardless, and also the idea that if we don't have a season, then 2021 is a random draw and a snake draft. I also like the idea of setting a number of weeks that if we complete that number, we pay out based on win percentage, and if not, roll it forward.
111Jim
      ID: 6531010
      Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 10:45
Meant to say, I also think the proposed calendar looks fine to me as well from Judy.
112SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 17:09
I knew you guys would not like my idea to rollback the 2020 draft if the season is cancelled. I think it's the fairest in general, but could be a problem if there were significant trades happening (usually not the case in this league).

Anyway, snake is critical if the 2021 draft order is randomized. Good call!
113WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 18:01
Personally, I don't think a random 2021 draft is best either. Should a strong 2019 team really have a shot at 1.01 in 2021? Not guaranteed, but more likely that strong 2019 teams will still be strong in 2021, and weak 2019 teams will be weak in 2021. I'd propose something like 2019 non-playoff teams randomly get 2021 picks 1-16, and 2019 playoff teams randomly get picks 17-24? Not sure if resulting draft should be snake or not, though.

Also don't think a 2020 draft once conducted should be rolled back. Would think if 2020 season scrapped before we draft, then our 2021 draft include both 2020 and 2021 rookies.
114Slizz
      ID: 53336714
      Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 18:16
-Hard NO to a snake draft when this many keepers are involved. Ever.

-Host the 2020 draft and keep the league schedule as per normal.

-There will be a season...that said, if there is it, the most fair and equitable way to determine the draft order is to pre rank teams and create a G24 Power Rankings. I.E. Utilize an app, like rotowire, to determine the order of strongest to weakest teams from their 5 best starters on offense etc.

No snake draft and the order (& lottery) is determined by that.
115Slizz
      ID: 53336714
      Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 18:44
It was just pointed out to me by Amit that in order to do that we would need to have the 2020 draft. Utilizing the Packers, who currently pick 1st, as an example:

They take Clyde Edwards-Helaire with that pick. In a doomsday scenario, we finish the draft and no season takes place. His 2021 G24 Power Ranking would be determined by the following starting lineup:

QB - Newton or Lock (Whoever is higher projected)
RB - CEH
WR - D.K. Metcalf
TE - Kittle
Flex - Sony Michel
Flex - Christian Kirk
IDP - Garrett or whoever is the highest points total projection.

I would enter in rotowire and treat it like a roto league to determine the “Weakest” to “strongest” teams.
116Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 19:45

I think that at least the 2 best options have been identified.

Random order followed by a snake draft is the default solution, the one to be adopted if none better can be found and gains widespread approval.

The other possibility, better if it can be designed right, is some estimate of the projected strength of the 2021 teams (plus a draft lottery conducted as usual). I'm not convinced yet at least that the solutions adumbrated above are sophisticated enuf.

I wasn't a playoff team, but if I was I would strongly object to being consigned to pick 1.17 or below solely becuz I snuck into the playoffs in 2019.

117WG
      Donor
      ID: 35338278
      Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 20:06
That’s fair. I just think pissing off a playoff team is a lesser evil than pissing off everyone else by allowing already strong teams to luck into high 2021 draft picks.
118Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 12:21
two other thoughts.

1. if people are really opposed to luck of a draw, make it a weighted lottery, so the chances of poor teams getting better picks is increased.

2. the same logic of the unfairness of a good team in 2019 getting a good pick in 2020 can be applied to a team picking 1.01 in 2020 and 2021, simply because of how they finished in 2019.

And I'm saying this as a team that feels pretty good about its starters, feels i got screwed out of the playoffs, and has a top 11 pick.

and finally, i'll dispute this sentiment: Not guaranteed, but more likely that strong 2019 teams will still be strong in 2021, and weak 2019 teams will be weak in 2021

numerous teams completely flip flopped from 2018 to 2019, most notably the NFC South, which almost did literal reversal in the standing with every team. Philly and New Orleans, a collective 16-36 in 2018, finished a collective 30-22 in 2019, moving from single digit wins and the bottom of their division, to finishing 1-2.

Meanwhile, Carolina and SF fell from 30-22 to 15-37.

the NFC North saw Green Bay fall from 20-6 to 5-21. The Giants went from 10-16 to 17-9, and Minnesota from 5-21 to 15-11.

and so forth. First round draft picks can make a significant impact, and i'd be reluctant to just award those to a team two years in a row simply because they had a poor season two years prior.


119Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 17:03
Agreed. That's why I also suggested a weighted lottery for the first round next year if there's no season in 2020.

I also agree we have to to have a draft in 2020, as long as the season isn't outright cancelled before we start. G20 ran into all kinds of problems because they didn't draft after the season was suspended, and when it restarted, they decided not to have a draft at all. We don't want a repeat of that.
120WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 17:35
I like Jay's idea myself. I just liked my idea over a totally random 2021 draw. The 2020 1.01 only has a 1/16 shot at the 2021 1.01. My proposal was less about rewarding weak teams than it was preventing already strong teams from getting stronger; I think any league should aim for achieving parity in that regard.

Moot point anyway as seemingly better options have now presented itself. To piggyback off Jay's idea, any harm in doing the 2020 draft, and if the season is scrapped, then in 2021 having everyone declare their 9 keepers and then doing Jay's ranks after this to establish the 2021 draft order?
121Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 18:28

any harm in doing the 2020 draft, and if the season is scrapped, then in 2021 having everyone declare their 9 keepers and then doing Jay's ranks after this to establish the 2021 draft order?

There is, if there is a better way to devise power rankings which wecould find by stopping to think about it.

I had a much longer explanation but it got eaten up while I was shifting between 5 different websites to give examples.

There is a first step to take: use Rotowire's draft software to project 2020 standings based on hypothetical keepers as of now, and see if what it produces would make sense if we were constructing a draft order this way. That would also show how the idea handles such things as owners who have no decent TE, or the differences between teams who keep 4 IDPs and those who keep none.
122WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 20:16
It looks like there will be a season, so none of this probably matters anyway. I merely thought rewarding 2021 picks based on team strength rather than randomness made more sense. I liked Jay's idea but just offered that the players used to predict strength to create the G24 power rankings be chosen by managers themselves; their actual 2021 keepers. That's really where my suggestion ends. If you want to test and run different predictors in 2020 in advance of deciding which to use in 2021, I don't have an issue with that but also don't find it contrary to what I posted.
123SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 20:45
Well, if the 2020 season is cancelled then the 2021 draft order should be a complete reverse of 2020 order.

Why?
Because the perceived good teams drafting at the end of 2020 draft are losing out on a year when they are theoretically supposed to "succeed". So,these teams drafting in the x.20+ are already punished by missing out a year with a "superior squad". You should not punish them doubly by making sure they are again at the end of the 2021 draft.

Power rankings idea is reasonable, if there is an agreeable formula. This should be done based on some power rankings taken close to the start of the 2021 season (rather than based on estimated 2020 stats).

Any setup of 2021 draft order based solely on 2019 finish is the least fair of all the options.

I still think Snake draft is best for any situation where we rely on randomness or calculations (rather than actual results) to create the draft order . If I calculate as the 1.24 based on some app rankings but I haven't earned any prize or championship then it's a real kick-in-the-pants. The least I can do is also get 2.01.

Here is another great idea....Maybe if there is no season we should run a Madden simulation of the 2020 season and play out the entire fantasy season using the results of the simulation. Then we can even pay out the winners and setup 2021 order based upon the fake results from Madden.
124Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 07:09

This should be done based on some power rankings taken close to the start of the 2021 season (rather than based on estimated 2020 stats).

Of course. No one has suggested using estimated 2020 stats to set a 2021 draft order. That would make no sense. The point of using 2020 projections is to test the system and formula before committing to it for 2021.
125Jim
      ID: 29745149
      Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 10:45
If we have some sort of a random draw for 2021 (i.e. there is no season) then I do like the weighted lottery idea, that does even the playing field a bit. Tree (and others) line out some good reasons why luck of the draw can be a bad thing in a dynasty league like this. Weighting it could at least help alleviate that some.

The power rankings would also be interesting to use, I hadn't thought of the fact that there would be sites that could do that.

Above all, while I'm glad we're having these discussions (as it's way better to talk ahead of time and not in a "crisis mode" should the season get scrapped), I am hopeful that they'll be able to pull off a season and this can all be rendered a moot point. But again, good discussion.
126Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 15602520
      Sun, Aug 16, 2020, 19:25
Hey guys.. sorry i’m officially checking in so late. I did read through this thread, and had a line of questions that I hadnt seen asked yet.

Any special accommodation to players opting out this season? I’m assuming at minimum, they could be kept, stashed on IR, and be eligible for 2021 keepers. (Please correct me if that is wrong.)

Any thoughts on having a separate Covid list in addition to the regular IR slot? Might even need a few slots here to accommodate canceled games. Not sure if we can actually do that on mfl or if it would just show up as additional spaces for IR.
127Jim
      ID: 29745149
      Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 17:24
Not sure how I feel about players who opted out being able to be stashed on IR as suggested by Yokel. I kind of feel like they should be treated like maybe LeVeon Bell a couple of years ago likely was...if you hang on to them, fine, but they eat up a bench spot. They aren't hurt, so I don't like the idea of them going on IR.

Now, anyone who is ruled out of a game sometime during the season due to Covid? Yes, they would be eligible for IR for that time frame, and adding an additional IR spot or two for the year might be a wise and fair choice given the likelihood of players missing games more frequently because of Covid on top of regular injury concerns.
128Judy
      ID: 467461519
      Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 21:40
MFL is working on an in season Covid list..
129 ttucowboy
      ID: 317482111
      Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 12:48
I’m looking to trade down from #7 overall. If interested, hit me up.
130twolves
      ID: 265572810
      Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 15:26
For players that have opted out:
They should be not be draftable or eligible to be picked up at all this season.
If they are on a team currently, could give team consideration if they were one of their keepers to be put them in normal IR spot but also then must be a keeper next season for that team.

May need a separate IR for COVID players not eligible to play during season due to virus:
1. May need to variable number of spots
2. They need to immediately come off when eligible. and team makes player adjustments.
2. If they are ineligible beyond team's season/post season, they need to be dropped or occupy a roster spot.

I take it that is what MFL is working on?
131Judy
      ID: 22732318
      Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 19:03
Yes there is an MFL Covid thing. I need to find and investigate. I’ve been slow to get going since there really is not much football news from these camps...

I need a spreadsheet, preferably .xl to do the league schedule.

I have no idea what we will do about cancelled or postponed games...nor does the NFL so we are not alone!
132 GoatLocker
      Dude
      ID: 060151121
      Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 12:44
Not much Football news.
Depends on where you are.
24 - 7 news here in Las Vegas for the Raiders. 3 pages in the sports page every morning.
133Jim
      ID: 29745149
      Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 18:22
As far as canceled or postponed games, I think the only thing we can do on a Fantasy level is you gotta play with who you've got available in a given week. And I agree, I've heard NOTHING from the NFL about what they'll do if a game gets postponed/canceled, and with games only once a week, I'm not sure what they can really do...it could turn into a mess, that's for sure.
134 WG
      ID: 89402220
      Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 14:54
Still trying to shore up keepers before Saturday's deadline, have a few guys that I'll keep or can trade, ideally in 2 for 1s. Let me know if any interest in Phillip Lindsay, Marlon Mack, Matt Breida, Darren Waller, Darius Slayton, Preston Williams, Golden Tate, John Brown. Thanks.
135Jim
      ID: 29745149
      Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 15:28
Reading the COVID defaults that Judy sent out, the only one I would be in favor of changing is that anyone on the NFL Reserve/COVID-19 List should be able to be put on IR, so that people have a chance to grab someone else (without having to drop that player) to cover. Given that there could be weeks with a fair amount to cover (adding COVID to the "regular injuries" that already taken place) I think that would be the best route.
136Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 15:49

COVID:

I am not one who believes in reflexibly following RIFC procedures in this league, which is keeper not redraft and has different traditions.

But in this case I do believe that the procedure Guru is following is good to deal with COVID. Players affected by COVID should be put on a "taxi squad". This separates the problem from our regular IR.

Further details, from Guru's RIFC thread:

"COVID-IL
Each team will have a taxi squad available to hold COVID list players (designated on MFL as COVID-IL). A player may only be placed on the taxi squad when he is so designated by the NFL and the hosting site reflects that COVID-IL status.

If a manager adds a player who is already designated as COVID-IL at the time of his pickup (either through priority claiming or free agent pickup), that team may not place the player on the taxi squad unless he has subsequently been cleared of his COVID-IL status. Players who are already designated as COVID-IL when drafted are not subject to this limitation, and may be placed on the taxi squad immediately after the draft (as long as they are still eligible at that time).

Once a COVID-IL player has returned to active status by the NFL, that player must be removed from the taxi squad no later than the Wednesday following his activation. If an ineligible player remains on the taxi squad after this time, the commissioner may forcibly drop such player after a 24-hour notice (via email) to the manager."

I would suggest requiring the removal from the taxi squad "by the second game after the player's real-life activation" which is what we already require of players removed from the real-life IR. It will be easier if we have tyhe same standard for both lists.

137Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 16:06

The advantages of this: we should be prepared for a situation where a team has 3,5,7,9, who knows how many players on the COVID-IL. We shouldn't want to expand our regular IL to this size. The size of the Taxi Squad could be limitless. And if normalcy ever returns in a future season, we could just abolish the taxi squal and return to our previous rules.
138Slizz
      ID: 53336714
      Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 17:15
👆🏻 What he said.
139WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 16:07
TRADE
NYG gets Phillip Lindsay, Marlon Mack, Darius Slayton
KC gets Aaron Jones

TD to confirm.
140Judy
      ID: 22732318
      Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 18:43
Update. I’m ok with RB for now...thanks for the offers.
141TD
      ID: 54701522
      Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 20:01
Confirmed.
143Slizz
      ID: 45758278
      Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 10:00
TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Buffalo Bills Trade:
Mitchell Trubisky, QB, CHI
2020 Round 11.13
2021 Round 11

Seattle Seahawks Trade:
2020 Round 3 Draft Pick (3.24)
2021 Conditional Draft Pick based on playing time:
-4 games or less, 5th rd pick
-5-8 games, 4th rd pick
-9-12 games, 3rd rd pick
-13+ games, 2nd rd pick
144TD
      ID: 54701522
      Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 10:17
TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

New York Giants Trade
2020 Draft Pick 1.21

Carolina Panthers Trade
Marquise Brown BAL WR
145Bobo
      ID: 34512812
      Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 10:23
TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Minnesota Vikings get:
Smith, Jonnu TEN TE
Year 2020 Draft Pick 5.23

Baltimore Ravens get:
Year 2020 Draft Pick 3.17
146 Tree
      ID: 571142323
      Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 10:47
Still looking to make some moves. Among those in the block are:

AJ Green, WR, Cin
Deebo Samuel, WR, SF
Hunter Henry, TE, LAC
Tarik Cohen, RB, Chi
Nyheim Hines, RB, Ind
Russell Gage, WR, Atl
147 SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 18:10
Still looking for mediocre/decent RB

Send me those offers that you sent to Judy!
148Slizz
      ID: 45758278
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 08:46
TRADE ANNOUNCMENTS

TRADE #1

Buffalo Bills Trade
Pick 5.13

Cleveland Browns Trade
Irv Smith, TE, MIN
Pick 9.13

TRADE #2

Buffalo Bills Trade
Pick 3.13

Las Vegas Raiders Trade
Sammy Watkins, WR, KC
Pick 4.19
149Judy
      ID: 22732318
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 13:05
I just emailed you the page for Covid taxis squad options on MFL.

Please comment.
150Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 13:39

Uhh... the e-mail, a screenshot, doesn't allow us to see the important point: how many people can be on the Taxi Squad?

Try to wake up and shape up, Judy. The draft is coming soon, we need you think about what you're doing.
151Toral
      ID: 9541311
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 13:49

Judy is screeching at me by e-mail, but she did tell me the max Taxi Squad is 50. I thot I'd pass that on to you.

See...some folks just need a little kick in the ass to start moving, and then they're Hell bent for leather....
152R-Money
      ID: 59710815
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 14:31
I vote leaving it open to the max 50 as this is the first year and see what the usage is like.

Maybe have an emergency vote during the season to enforce a cap if only a small amount of teams are using extremely more than others. Example 20 teams have 1 player on taxi, 2 teams have 8 players, we could vote for a cap of 5.

What happens if a rule or law gets passed and they can no longer tell us a player has Covid and its just Illness or personal reasons?

Future seasons in mind, I think we consider combining Covid (or any similar illness) related multi game scratch into the IR slot and this coming summer we can vote on expanding the IR slots based on the Data from this season and what we each believe would be fair.


153twolves
      ID: 265572810
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 15:40
I think taxi squad should be for Covid only players for as long as they are out. No player that has opted out of the season should be able to be drafted and stashed. With 24 teams there are very few players available to be picked up as is. If the taxi squad is any expansion it would likely mean the better teams would only get better as they could taxi a good player another team would want. The only way I see it even remotely working is if any team would claim a taxied player without or possibly
with recall. However, I think it just makes things more confusing and complicated to keep track of during the season. Better to keep it simple.
154Judy
      ID: 22732318
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 16:29
Are you ok with an opt out being a keeper?

Just asking.
155Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 17:20
if a player was injured in the pre-season, could we not put him on IR for the whole season?

i don't think a covid opt-out should be treated any differently.

If a top player opts out due to COVID, it shouldn't be any different than the NFL - the team doesn't suddenly lose rights to that player.
156R-Money
      ID: 59710815
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 17:29
@ Judy - Yes, I dont see it any different than like Devonta Freeman, Clowney, Dez Bryant who could reasonably play (dez probably wont lol) in 2021 despite not being in the NFL currently.

Have to draw the line at owners doing toxic things like adding Tim Brown to super-tank.
157Slizz
      ID: 45758278
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 17:48
Opt out no different than a hold out...they’re making a choice to not play.

That said, I am FOR up to 20 spots for the COVID/Taxi Squad. We are pretty good about roster management / self-policing / integrity unlike G20 baseball.

Can it be changed in season? If so let’s start with 5 and gradually increase as needed should some team get hit hard.

Judy’s email

Let me preface it by saying I think Toral is an asset to the league. He works hard makes & sound decisions in the interest of the league as a whole. Would hate to see him leave or voted out. I would not support that.

That said, just don’t be a dick. You always catch more bees with honey. Judy is right in stating that she saved the league as nobody else stepped up and we are all thankful.
158twolves
      ID: 265572810
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 17:50
I agree with the preseason injury and opt out comparison but he would occupy your regular IR spot. No extra/additional spots would be given for that type of player. IR spots should remain the same as in previous seasons and not expanded because of COVID.
159Judy
      ID: 22732318
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 20:28
We have 1 IR slot and I don’t see that changing.

Last year I believe IR could be used for preseason injuries.

So does it make sense for opt out to be permitted to be in the IR slot.

The Covid slot would be just for can’t play due to Covid. MFL would put that designation on each player as they do for the IR and S players. Then they can only go into the correct slot.

I believe the number of actual Covid+ is pretty low?

So you would keep the opt out keeper and at rostering time put him into the IR spot?
160Judy
      ID: 22732318
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 20:30
So

IR for injury or opt out (1)

Covid for testing positive (max 50, for now...)

How does that look?

Do we need a poll?

Please comment...
161Judy
      ID: 22732318
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 20:40
I just asked youngroman to see if Mosley an opt out with the (H) designation can be put into the IR slot. Just to see if he goes there.

I also sent a ticket to MFL to confirm that a player with an H designation can go onto the taxi squad. I know that the C players can. I’ve set that up already.
They aren’t that specific in their explanation. I should have answer tomorrow,
162Judy
      ID: 22732318
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 20:44
As Commish, when I try to demote (MFL term) Mosley, there is no (H) Next to his name and I cannot demote him to the taxi squad...

So I guess YR can’t, but I want him to try it.
163R-Money
      ID: 59710815
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 21:44
Im good with it
164Judy
      ID: 22732318
      Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 22:50
From MFL:

Can players with the H designation be placed into the Covid taxis squad or is it just the players with the C designation?

Reply

Hi Judy,

Only players with the (C) designation can be put onto the Taxi Squad.

- Mike
165ttucowboy
      ID: 117202513
      Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 00:06
My thought is to use the taxi squad for Covid related players only (with NO change to our current IR rules). If you draft or pick up a player that is already out due to Covid, they are NOT eligible to be stashed on your Taxi Squad. The idea here should be to make sure teams can field full starting lineups (not use as a source to stash players).
166Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 12:31
Trade Announcements

Denver Broncos Trade
Derek Carr, QB, LVR
pick 9.11

to Carolina

for
Pick 2.09

-------------------------------
Denver Broncos Trade Pick 4.11

to

Cleveland Browns
for Gardner Minshew QB, JAX
Pick 8.14
167Jim
      ID: 29745149
      Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 14:44
I like the Taxi Squad for anyone who gets placed on the COVID list during the season (as there is an assumption they'll be back in a week or three).

At first I'm thinking I don't love that an opt-out can go in your IR spot, but then again, I guess it's ok on my end, because that person can't play this year regardless, so you're forgoing the option of using it on any other player who gets hurt and placed on IR this year, even if they get hurt early and placed on IR and might be able to return later in the season. So, I'm good (honestly, I'm good either way on it, it's not a deal breaker type thing to me at all).
168Judy
      ID: 22732318
      Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 15:34
From MFL:

Can players with the H designation be placed into the Covid taxis squad or is it just the players with the C designation?

Reply

Hi Judy,

Only players with the (C) designation can be put onto the Taxi Squad.

- Mike
169Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 16:16
OPt-outs on IR seem okay to me. No difference between that and getting hurt.

But not on the taxi squad.

170TD
      ID: 54701522
      Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 16:23
I suggest that the commissioner ask for two votes regarding Covid-19.

1. Allow a player be put on IR that has opted out of playing due to COVID-19 concerns.

2. Allow a player that is currently in the NFL Reserve/COVID-1 to be put on a taxi squad with maximum of 50 taxi squad spots.
171TD
      ID: 54701522
      Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 16:26
I think both these changes would only require a simple majority to be enacted.

13. Voting

The Commissioner may call for a league vote for motions, rule change proposals, etc. If the commissioner asks for a vote, then it will take a simple majority for that motion to be enacted. If the commissioner deems a rules proposal to be a major change, it will be enacted if 2/3 of those owners voting vote for it, PROVIDED that the proposal gets at least 13 votes AND that the voting period has been at least 3 days long.
172Judy
      ID: 22732318
      Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 17:23
Original poll removed after TD suggestion. That idea now xists as three separate polls.

Note: the taxi squad for the C players seems to be the standard.

This league is tough— if multiple players go on C, there are not many left over of any value...
173R-Money
      ID: 59710815
      Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 11:02
Bears Keepers?
174Judy
      ID: 22732318
      Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 12:49
Yes where are bear skeeps. I will check keeper thread.
175WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 13:10
Don't believe Bears has posted, and last checked in on Rotoguru on June 7, though he did visit the MFL page 9 days ago.
176Judy
      ID: 22732318
      Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 13:29
Sent text. He has till 2:00 to select them or we will. Pick.

177SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 13:35
This is my suggestion. You could debate Freeman or Prater over Miller.

Cousins, Kirk MIN QB
Mostert, Raheem SFO RB
Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR
Sanders, Emmanuel NOS WR
Heyward, Cameron PIT DE
Cunningham, Zach HOU LB
Schobert, Joe JAC LB
McDougald, Bradley SEA S
Miller, Lamar FA RB (Q)
178Tree
      ID: 571142323
      Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 14:12
some good ideas here on how to handle late cancelations and such..
179 WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 19:49
Depending on who's available, open to trading down from 1.22, not too far, if anyone is interested, maybe for an extra pick or IDP. Let me know if interested.
180 SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 21:32
Depending on who's available, open to trading down from 1.23, not too far, if anyone is interested, maybe for an extra pick or IDP. Let me know if interested.
181WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 09:18
Swing, sent you an email.
182twolves
      SuperDude
      ID: 811161317
      Mon, Sep 07, 2020, 09:25
When will things be open to adding players: waivers or as FA?
183 SwinganaMiss
      ID: 27546716
      Mon, Sep 07, 2020, 21:53
I have an invalid roster (no kicker). I can't move my IR-eligible player (Rashaad Penny) to IR because I don't have a kicker(it would create an invalid roster). Adding a kicker is exactly what I would do, if I could get Penny to the IR and open up a slot.

Could we perhaps set the mins per position to zero at each position until the trade deadline? Then set them to their normal values if we really think it's necessary?

This would also help those who want to drop a DB on Wednesday to do it, as long as they can pick one up in time for the weekly lineup submission.

By the way, I sent a note to MFL, just to get a recommendation:

---------- 9/7/2020 8:22:47 PM -------- Original Question

I drafted a player Rashaad Penny, who I knew was eligible for IR. I didn't draft a kicker, intending to deactivate Penny and then pick one up. My roster is considered invalid without a PK. I get an error when I try to deactivate him because my roster is invalid.
Is there a setting preventing this, or is it a bug?

Thanks!

Reply

Hi Nathan,

Yes, the roster restrictions are too tight currently. Your commissioner would have to change them. See below for guidance you can send them.

- Mike


This question is answered in our Help Center, which you can access from the "Help > Help Center" menu, in the "Players & Lineups" > "IR" subcategory:

Owners cannot perform IR moves because of roster position limits - how can I fix this?

This occurs when you have Roster Position Limits too strictly defined. The system enforces roster position limits at all times, so, for example, if you require two QBs on your roster, and you currently have two, and you try to deactivate one of those QBs to IR, the system will prevent you from doing that because it is enforcing your roster position limits.

To correct this problem, you will need to either reduce or remove your Roster Position Minimum values on the For Commissioner > Setup > Roster Position Limits Setup in order to allow players to be deactivated to injured reserve (or demoted to taxi squad).

184Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Mon, Sep 07, 2020, 22:36
i believe I just fixed it.
185Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Mon, Sep 07, 2020, 22:41
Twolves you should be able to drop players and do waivers for Wednesday. I just fixed the waiver wire order.

Thought I had done it, but no, tax alerted me.
186Tree
      ID: 571142323
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 00:49
This isn't a fix.

This is an arbitrary changing of the rules we've had in place for years.

We can't simply just change this. It isn't fair to those who have had to work within these rules in previous seasons.
187R-Money
      ID: 59710815
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 07:04
Judy,

Posting this here and sending to you via Email.

R Money - Panthers Today at 6:40 AM
@Tree - Denver @straydoug - LV Raiders I understand there is Precedent on this Roster minimum rule, but it was brought up as unfair and the reason that it was explained why it exists currently doesn't make the most sense to me. Not to mention there were two other alternate suggestions to change it, and We technically do have time to have a vote, and possibly change it. Going to present this to @Judy - Cardinals and @TD - Giants and whatever action they decide so be it. I personally think there should be a vote called.

R Money - Panthers Today at 7:00 AM
Perhaps a less aggressive middle-ground change is moving all minimums to 1 player. This eliminates the freeze in all but the most extreme cases and still requires the team to hold up most of the roster integrity to prevent toxic strategies like @Slizz - Buffalo mentioned may have happened in the past.

It doesnt make sense that if player A goes on IR and moving them to IR brings me under the minimum I would have to 1)Cut player B, 2)Add Player C at the same position as player A, 3)Move Player A to IR, 4)optionally make another move to try to get player B back. When it should be 1)move player A to IR 2)add player by game time to meet requirements.

Either way I agree any permanent change should be voted on.
188Doug
      ID: 77541115
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 12:06
I was basically threatened to be kicked out of the league if I didn't draft a kicker one season (different commish). My understanding is that you can CREATE an invalid roster by moving someone to IR (so if you have 2 DBs and one gets hurt, you can move one then backfill the open spot). You CANNOT move someone to IR while your roster is ALREADY invalid. I have drafted accordingly ever since. I may not agree with the rule in principle, but have abided by it ever since, as have others. To now change it after-the-fact for a current-season team feels very unfair.
189Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 13:19
Here’s the deal.

PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY.

The minimum roster is 1 per position except for LB and DB where you must have a minimum of 2.

Here is the MFL response to swings issue:

Owners cannot perform IR moves because of roster position limits - how can I fix this?
Answer: This occurs when you have Roster Position Limits too strictly defined. The system enforces roster position limits at all times, so, for example, if you require two QBs on your roster, and you currently have two, and you try to deactivate one of those QBs to IR, the system will prevent you from doing that because it is enforcing your roster position limits.

To correct this problem, you will need to either reduce or remove your Roster Position Minimum values on the For Commissioner > Setup > Roster Position Limits Setup in order to allow players to be deactivated to injured reserve (or demoted to taxi squad).

Example:
1). So you have 2 DB on your team.
2). One gets Covid and you want to place him on the newly created taxi squad until he gets better and can play.
3). You cannot place him on the taxi squad because that leaves you with 1 DB which is illegal.

4). So you now have a choice:
A). Drop the Covid guy — maybe he is your best DB and you want to keep him.
OR
B). DROP ANOTHER PLAYER (we’ll call him SAMSON) and add a third DB — which you will need to do eventually to be legal.
5). Now you can put your sick DB guy into the taxi because you will now have 2 DB on your roster, meeting the minimum limit for DB.
6). But you have now lost SAMSON to the waiver wire.
7). And you only have 19 on your roster because you just put your DB in a taxi.
8). Maybe you can get SAMSON back but maybe not if someone else jumps for him.


Does that sound fair?

Look at the answer from MFL. They suggest moving to 0 as a minimum limit so that you can make IR and taxi moves without destroying your team. Otherwise IR and taxi are useless positions.

If you want a poll, I will suggest this. With this NOTE.

Reduce the minimum limit for all positions to O (zero).
NOTE:This will allow moves to the IR and taxi squads without requiring you to possibly drop a player you would prefer to keep, like SAMSON in the example above.

Note that this is less of an issue for RG14 and AAA as they have just 14 teams with huge rosters (24) (total # of players taken is 336. : 14 x 24)and they can probably drop someone without damaging their teams as there are a lot of players available. We have 24 teams with only 20 on a team, so we have removed 480 players from the player pool (24 x 20), meaning not too many left.

Let me know!!! I am sure you will. Let’s put our thoughts into the thread as it is much easier to follow.

I will let you know up front that I favor reducing the minimums to 0 so that IR and taxi moves can be made. I believe that is what MFL is telling us.
190Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 13:20
Doug

You can draft any way you want. You just have to be valid by game day. Not sure why someone told you that.
191Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 13:31
I dont understand the problem, for THIS SEASON, why we can't make this change and have the UNDERSTANDING, among everyone in the league, that you're required to have at least one of each position. We're all seasoned fantasy players, and I think we can respect the rules even if they aren't enforced by the site mechanics.
192R-Money
      ID: 59710815
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 13:49
It doesn't make sense to have high minimums on positions that we are more likely to carry fewer players on. I agree we should vote one way or another.

If the change gets voted down then the rosters should be reverted (if they can) to before the 2-3 teams were helped out, in fairness to those who were aware and prepared for this restriction in the past.
193Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 13:56
Btw

AAA and RG14 have no roster limits except for 24 max.
194Judy
      ID: 10824813
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 14:27
Nerf

You will have lineup limits so it will be handled at that point.
195Judy
      ID: 10824813
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 14:37
Nerf

You will have lineup limits so it will be handled at that point.
196Judy
      ID: 10824813
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 14:43
R money

Minimum limit is already 1
That’s the issue.
See the email.

Everyone

VOTE!
197Doug
      ID: 77541115
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 20:28
I would vote yes on the condition that it is not retroactive for this past draft, which was executed under the existing rules.

Anyone who drafted an IR player with an invalid roster has an easy fix... drop your 24th round player to fix your roster (I'd even permit this pre-waivers, let them redraft their last pick basically)... stash your IR guy, then make a waiver claim... just as it's been in years past.

If we want to change it going forward, totally fine with that.
198Doug
      ID: 77541115
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 20:44
Re: 190 Like I said, was the call of a prior commish in this league many many years ago, and I've been operating as such ever since. Pretty sure this was before we moved to to MFL in 2012.
199Judy
      ID: 10824813
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 21:30
Doug

Penny was not on IR when drafted at 4.06

Drafted 9-2
Placed on IR 9-5
200Judy
      ID: 10824813
      Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 21:31
Doug we have a 20 man roster, not 24.
201Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Wed, Sep 09, 2020, 08:58
FYI

I found the original CBS rules for G24.
Here is what is says about the draft which is pertinent to our concerns. The document I have is dated 8/4/13.

II Draft

(Stuff about how to set the order, etc)

“It will be possible to end up without a QB, K, or D, but unlikely. You should PLAN YOUR DRAFT, accordingly. If you end up without a QB, K, or D, you have two choices: pick one up off of FA/WW or trade. You may not exceed 20 players. If you make a trade that puts you over, you must immediately drop (a) player(s). Your roster must be valid to score points.”

III roster freeze

(Stuff about setting roster)
Note: when CBS says set “roster” they mean set “lineup”.

Requirements — or zero points.

“1 QB
1WR
1RB
1Te
1 K
1 DST
2 additional from TE, RB or WR slots
1DL
1LB
1BD
2 flex - can be any DB, LB, DB”


So actually, requiring a roster of 2 LB and DB were incorrectly transferred over to MFL.
It should have been 1.

Now it is zero (0).

I firmly believe that the voting decision that was made was in the best interest of the league and follows the guidelines originally set by CBS.


The CBS rules do not distinguish between the term roster and lineup. For CBS, they are the same.

In MFL, they are not. ROSTER is who you have available to make a LINEUP.

I hope this continues to clarify.
202TD
      ID: 54701522
      Wed, Sep 09, 2020, 10:14
I have been busy the last couple of days, and just got around to reading most of the emails and posts about invalid rosters. Doug makes a valid point in post 188.

Not drafting a kicker and picking a kicker up after the draft is a draft strategy. Doug was told by a previous commissioner that he was not allowed to use this draft strategy. So Doug did not use this strategy in 2020 because he thought he was required to pick a kicker in the draft.

SwinganaMiss(Baltimore Ravens) used this draft strategy and did not draft a kicker in 2020. This was allowed by the current commissioner. There is nothing in the rules saying this is not allowed. Both SwingAnaMiss and the current commissioner most likely were not aware of the previous commissioners ruling on this.

I think doing what Doug describes in post 197 can still be done prior to waivers being run today. Have SwinganaMiss drop his last pick, Amendola, Danny DET WR prior to waivers. Ameendola would have been available for other managers to pick if SwinganaMiss had picked a kicker to make his roster valid.

With this new rule in place, this draft stategy will be allowed starting in 2021.
203GO
      ID: 517342812
      Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 17:21
Hey... there is football tonight!
204twolves
      SuperDude
      ID: 811161317
      Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 11:04
Interesting posts but I think Judy's post 201 and original CBS rules and original roster/lineup requirements make sense. Not sure where zero came from for positions but every lineup should require at least one in each position offensively and defensively. As far as the draft goes, it does make sense that at least a minimal roster to fill a lineup be drafted. I did not realize you could not place a player in IR unless you had a roster available for lineup but I think that is a good requirement to prevent possible abuse. If a keeper is on IR it can be used in a roster/lineup spot.

Great to have Football started.

205Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 12:45
I'm already off to the start I expected!
206GO
      ID: 517342812
      Mon, Sep 21, 2020, 18:31
After losing Saquon and Sutton at the same time, I'm fielding offers for my entire roster if anyone jumps out to you. GO's Jets.
207Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 13:57
After losing Saquon and Sutton at the same time, I'm fielding offers for my entire roster if anyone jumps out to you. GO's Jets.

Don't forget Bosa. you lost him too. :D
208GO
      ID: 517342812
      Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 14:30
Seriously, that is pretty impressive. 3 top notch talents in about a 2 hour span. We only have 1 IR slot, right? So Saquon the obvious candidate.

IR has to have been a keeper? I had Big Ben there all year last year so I don't think I've payed much attention to the nuance of the rule.

Could I have had Sutton in there even though I wasn't the one who kept him? Acquired via trade.
209Judy
      ID: 68552520
      Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 21:58
Believe anyone can go on IR if so qualified to be there.
210Slizz
      ID: 298122521
      Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 22:12
I believe the rule is that you can’t pickup someone who is on IR and place him there...but if you lose someone who is already on your roster to IR you can move them there
211GO
      ID: 141062421
      Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 22:34
Has this league never considered PPR or half PPR? seems like that is default for most leagues nowadays. Is it because of the other scoring bonuses that I can never remember?
212Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 13:26
I think it's just legacy. Most standard leagues are PPR now, but in the aughts they were not.
213GO
      ID: 14143919
      Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 17:23
In the old days they had team defense too... time for evolution! At least half point would be reasonable.

I do know this league has some wacky hard to track yardage thresholds... or at least it used to.
214GO
      ID: 517342812
      Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 23:00
Gotten some offers (and sent a few) with Hopkins and Josh Kelly... both are available. Big Ben also available and will have his bye out of the way now, so bonus.

Send me your tired, injured, concussed and IR heroes... doesn't matter to me. Just looking for young talent.
215Judy
      ID: 21932318
      Sat, Oct 03, 2020, 19:35
Teams/players on bye week due to Covid+: PGH, TEN, NEP, KC

Here is the answer from MFL

2. How do I set up Taxi Squad for Bye week Players?
Answer: To enable your league to use the Taxi Squad option go to your For Commissioner > Setup > General League Setup and allow at least one Taxi Spot.

(NOTE: we did this. We have 50 spots)

Then make sure that your owners have the ability to perform Taxi Squad Moves by checking the corresponding boxes in the For Commissioner > Setup > Abilities Setup.

NOTE: you all have this ability

On the For Commissioner > Setup > Taxi Squad Setup you can then enable the setting:
Allow players on the Taxi Squad based on their experience: No players (select this if you only want to allow players based on their Bye Week or their COVID status)

Then turn on the option:
In addition, allow players on the Taxi Squad whose team is on a bye in the upcoming week? Yes


—————————
It is too late for this week I fear.

So it looks like IF WE APPROVE THIS, we could move the Covid bye players to the taxi squad to allow the pick up of bodies to fill the positions.

You would need to self monitor this to be sure that your taxi squad only contains players on bye DUE TO COVID POSTPONEMENTS.

If you forget...there should be a penalty of some kind...suggestions?
216Tree
      ID: 571142323
      Sat, Oct 03, 2020, 19:55
I do not agree with players being moved onto a taxi squad due to postponements, as that postponement essentially becomes a bye week, and, once again, I do not want to see yet another mid-season rule change.

If we want to discuss this for next year, fine.

I'd likely still vote against it, again, as it is essentially a bye week, and it opens up other potential cans of worms in regards to future non Covid cancellations.

217Judy
      ID: 21932318
      Sat, Oct 03, 2020, 20:06
Teams/players on bye week due to Covid+: PGH, TEN, NEP, KC

Here is the answer from MFL

2. How do I set up Taxi Squad for Bye week Players?
Answer: To enable your league to use the Taxi Squad option go to your For Commissioner > Setup > General League Setup and allow at least one Taxi Spot.

(NOTE: we did this. We have 50 spots)

Then make sure that your owners have the ability to perform Taxi Squad Moves by checking the corresponding boxes in the For Commissioner > Setup > Abilities Setup.

NOTE: you all have this ability

On the For Commissioner > Setup > Taxi Squad Setup you can then enable the setting:
Allow players on the Taxi Squad based on their experience: No players (select this if you only want to allow players based on their Bye Week or their COVID status)

Then turn on the option:
In addition, allow players on the Taxi Squad whose team is on a bye in the upcoming week? Yes


—————————
It is too late for this week I fear.

So it looks like IF WE APPROVE THIS, we could move the Covid bye players to the taxi squad to allow the pick up of bodies to fill the positions.

You would need to self monitor this to be sure that your taxi squad only contains players on bye DUE TO COVID POSTPONEMENTS.

If you forget...there should be a penalty of some kind...suggestions?
218Judy
      ID: 21932318
      Sat, Oct 03, 2020, 20:08
Not sure why 215 and 217 are the same...
I guess I posted it twice...
219Jim
      ID: 3398319
      Sat, Oct 03, 2020, 20:08
t
This will essentially be a bye week, and we have to deal with those all season anyways. And, if I'm right, in this league we don't HAVE to cover byes anyways, so no, I don't want to open it up to that.
220Skinneej
      ID: 11931511
      Sat, Oct 03, 2020, 21:55
Leave as is. NE/KC is not a bye yet as that game may be played Mon or Tues and still fall in week 4.
221Judy
      ID: 21932318
      Sat, Oct 03, 2020, 23:34
Ok just tossing it out there. Doesn’t matter to me. Not affected yet...
222Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Tue, Oct 06, 2020, 16:57
At 0-8, it's time to start looking down the road.

Tom Brady, is playing out of his mind and doing insane things at an age when most of us are struggling to get out of bed in the morning.

he is on the block.

Also on the block are Hunter Henry, Mark Ingram, AJ Green, and Miles Boykin.

I am looking for something that will help me in the future, be it players or draft picks. Obviously, some of the guy i mentioned above are throw ins at best, but Brady, Henry, and even Ingram can be valuable to the right team.



223Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Wed, Oct 07, 2020, 16:42
The Broncos would like to formally thank Tom Brady, Melvin Gordon, and Deebo Samuel for their contributions to the organization.

Brady and Gordon especially, who were the high scorers on the legendary 2018 squad that led the Conference in scoring (and was second in the league), yet somehow couldn't make the playoffs despite some piss poor teams who scored 360 less points (that's almost 28 points a game) did.

And Deebo, what might have been, but all potential good things must come to and end.

Welcome aboard Tyrod Taylor, Hunter Renfrow the football player, and Josh Jacobs.
224Jim
      ID: 29745149
      Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 11:52
After thinking I actually had a possibility to play a QB this week with Stidham...the Patriots find a way to muck it up! 2-8 here I come!
225Slizz
      ID: 129141121
      Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 22:14
Aaron Donald with a historical / career day...18 points.

We need to up sacks in scoring. That’s pathetic they’re only worth 4 total. Should be equivalent to a TD.
226Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 10:26
That’s pathetic they’re only worth 4 total. Should be equivalent to a TD.

I'm not sure I agree with that. a TD puts points on the board. a Sack doesn't. unless it does, and in that case, we get points for that.
227GO
      ID: 517342812
      Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 11:05
Are sacks at least equivalent to an INT? If its literally the measure of how good a DE is... they need to be rewarded somehow more.

To my earlier query... is there general support to add at least a 0.5 PPR to our format? I've never done a full PPR, but that would be fine too. Maybe with a staggered implementation over the next 2 years or something.
228GO
      ID: 517342812
      Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 11:05
Number of Passing TDs 0-10 4 points each Test
Passing Yards -100-999 .04 points each Test
Passing Yards 400-999 0 points for 400, and then .02 point for every 1 thereafter Test
Pass Interceptions Thrown 0-10 -2 points each Test
Passing 2 Pointers 0-10 1 point each Test
Number of Rushing TDs 0-10 6 points each Test
Rushing Yards -100-999 .1 points each Test
Rushing Yards 150-999 0 points for 150, and then .025 point for every 1 thereafter Test
Rushing 2 Pointers 0-10 2 points each Test
Number of Receiving TDs 0-10 6 points each Test
Receiving Yards -100-999 .1 points each Test
Receiving Yards 150-999 0 points for 150, and then .025 point for every 1 thereafter Test
Receiving 2 Pointers 0-10 2 points each Test
229Slizz
      ID: 129141121
      Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 11:54
Disagree.

A sack is oftentimes a massive defensive stop and arguably as important as any stat. https://www.pff.com/news/pro-just-how-important-are-sacks-for-a-defense

Interceptions? Should be worth 6 as well. If a player intercepts 10 passes? That’s one of the greatest seasons ever as a db. They happen at a frequency significantly less than TD’s...

My point is that IDP’s are being shortchanged by those 2 stats.
230Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 12:29
I'd be in favor of G24 IDP scoring to be the same as RIFC IDP scoring.
231Tree
      ID: 571142323
      Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 23:36
In rifc, for a sack, do you get the points for a tackle, a sack, a tackle for a loss, and a qb hit?

If so, that's 5 points. I could definitely be talked into 4 points total for a sack, and maybee 5...
232Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Wed, Oct 14x, 2020, 03:08
Yes. It's 2 points for a TFL, and 1 point each for tackle, sack, and qb hit. Not all sacks seem to be qb hits though. I'd probably bump sacks to 2 points and make them 6 maximum.
233Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 11:28
After doing a bit of research, maybe i've changed my mind on this.

reviewing scoring options in MFL, it's a bit disappointing that QB Pressures or Hurries isn't something that is measurable, but so be it.

I believe the categories related to sacks are:

*TK - Tackle (1)
TKL - Tackle for Loss
*SK - Sack (3)
SKY - Yards lost via Sack.
QH - Quarterback hit

(* indicates categories we use)

I guess i'm pretty surprised we don't use TKL, because that's a pretty big deal on any play. I'm also a little surprised we don't use QH.

Unfortunately, neither of these categories is updated in the live stats, and i'm not in love with that.

I'm be agreeable to a 6 pt sack, if 2 of those points were TKL - i think that category would also bring other defensive players up a bit for stuffing someone on a big edge around or what have you.

234GO
      ID: 517342812
      Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 14:22
I think thats a pretty good idea... makes it all sort of part of the equation.
235Slizz
      ID: 129141121
      Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 20:43
I think tackle for loss (TKL) would be a huge boon for IDP’s across the board as they occur at a higher frequency than sacks.

That said, I’m on board with 6 pt net...but I’d rather have a 1/1/4 split as LB’s scoring would be significantly higher as a result of the 2 pt TKL.

With no “yardage” equivalent other than tackles it’s hard to quantify defensive production...the big plays should absolutely be rewarded, specifically Sacks and INT’s.
236GO
      ID: 517342812
      Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 23:14
Are INT return yards ever a thing?
237Slizz
      ID: 35925209
      Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 10:28
G24 IDP Vote

Based on the above discussion, I think we should put it up for a vote, effective 2021:

TACKLE FOR LOSS
A) No
B) Yes

TACKLE FOR LOSS SCORING
A) 1 pt
B) 2 pt
C) No

SACKS
A) Increase scoring to 4 pts
B) Increase scoring to 5 pts

In short, it is my contention that sacks should be a net 7 points given how they’re significant to a game flow. When you have a touchdown, the skill position player gets the yardage bonus, oftentimes making a touchdown a double digit play. For defensive lineman like Aaron Donald, they do not have that opportunity. His historical game with 7 pts, would have netted him 30 points...still shy of Claypools nasty game, but still would have made a difference.

Thoughts?

Also will do more INT research later.
238Slizz
      ID: 35925209
      Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 10:59
As it stands, an Aaron Donald historical performance netted him the following:

-18 points (6 tackles, 4 sacks)...hardly worth even exploring a DL given that 💩 ROI.

For clarity, it would generate the following for proposal A:

26 points
-6 points for tackles (6 total)
-16 points for sacks (4 sacks)
-4 points TKL (4 tackles for loss)

Proposal B:

30 points
-6 points for tackles (6 total)
-20 points for sacks (4 sacks x 5 points per sack)
-4 points TKL (4 tackles for loss)
239GO
      ID: 14143919
      Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 13:37
Get out and vote! BBB
240GO
      ID: 517342812
      Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 02:11
any contender need a kicker?
McManus six field goals against the Patriots garners headlines, but the 29-year-old has quietly scored 18 fantasy points in back to back games, notching a 50-yard try in an NFL record six consecutive contests
241twolves
      SuperDude
      ID: 811161317
      Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 15:17
Thoughts from above:
1. TFL: yes because may not involve QB; ie for those losses which QB sack not involved if that statistic readily available.
2. TFL scoring: Like 1 extra but 2 extra points okay
3. Sacks: 4 points but no additional added as TFL; okay but may be too much premium for sack if 5. .

However, Will change cause LBs to be overweighted relatively speaking?
242Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 17:29
TACKLE FOR LOSS
A) No
B) Yes

TACKLE FOR LOSS SCORING
A) 1 pt
B) 2 pt
C) No

SACKS
A) Increase scoring to 4 pts
B) Increase scoring to 5 pts


1. B
2. A
3. B

I simply don't like a sack being worth 7 points, as a TD is the ultimate play in football, period, and they're only worth 6 points (and even less for passing TDs in our league.

a sack being worth 6 points (1 Tackle, 1 TFL, 4 Sack) makes it the ultimate non-TD producing play, and I think that is the goal here.

Making a sack worth more than, say a 9 yd scamper into the end zone, is ludicrous IMO.

Using the Donald example above, 26 points is plenty.

Also, the Broncos take umbrage with the league ignoring Aldon Smith's 4 tackle, 3 sack game, 1 pass defended, which would have given him 20 points.
243ttucowboy
      ID: 28952228
      Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 09:52
I support Proposal A. We’re long overdue in making IDP more relevant here, especially DL. As it stands now, a top DL is essentially a liability in terms of keepers.
244skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 13:44
I'd be agreeable to BAA.

Should Interceptions also be increased by the same amount as sacks? When we adjusted the scoring for IDP several years ago, we went from 2 to 3 points for sacks and interceptions to make DBs and DLs more in line with LBs since they get so many points from tackles usually.

I agree with the sentiment above that a sack should be worth 6 points max (4 sack, 1 TKL, 1 TFL) to match up with scoring an offensive TD.
245skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 13:49
And Myles Garrett is a certain keeper for me each year already as he stands out above the rest and is so far above the average DL that I'd never keep a 3rd or 4th WR/RB over him. He had a solid stat line earlier this season with 4 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 1 FF and 1 FR which was good for 14 points. Adding TFL at 1 point and increasing Sacks from 3 to 4 would have given a score of 18 which I think seems fair.
246Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 18:19
man, i can't even get my voting right.

it should have been BAA.
247GO
      ID: 517342812
      Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 20:54
Tree - I think you've missed a pretty important part of the TD being 6 points. Its NOT only 6 points... they get all the yards and potentially PPR tacked on. TD's are often double digit plays.
248Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 14:29
Its NOT only 6 points... they get all the yards and potentially PPR tacked on. TD's are often double digit plays.

i didn't miss that.

But a 9 yard touchdown run would be worth less than a sack, and that's not something I can get on board with.

I'd wager the median for rushing touchdowns is well below 10 yards.

249Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 19:42
I'd also like to discuss penalties for playing players on bye when you have other options. I have a HUGE problem with this.

It's one thing if you don't want to drop someone to fill a bye. I get that. But if you already have other active players on your roster, you should be required to play them.

At best, it's a lack of attention, and in this league, that's a problem. At worst, it's tanking, and to me, that's a serious, serious transgression in sports.

When you've got a guy in your line up with a bye, and you have 3 other healthy options, you're guilty of one of the above two, and either one of them can alter the course of the league.

250ttucowboy
      ID: 28952228
      Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 08:09
249: Agree with Tree. Maybe first time warning because sh!t happens, but bottom line is it’s sloppy and inexcusable. Also and perhaps most importantly, it can have an impact on the integrity of the results. Even when my teams are donkey doo, I still make it a point to field the best lineup possible that I can.
251Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 11:22
any chance we could add trading of draft picks to our trade screens - would definitely help with record keeping and making offers.

"Go to the For Commissioner > Setup > Trades Setup screen to specify how many future years and picks per round you want to have (in future years' drafts) and then click on the Save changes button. These future draft picks will then appear in the For Owners > Trades screen.

Make sure you enable trading of Future Draft Picks on the Setup > Abilities Setup"
252Bobo
      ID: 34512812
      Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 18:29
Second the request in 251.
253GO
      ID: 517342812
      Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 19:34
Have there been any draft pick trades yet this year?
I just worry with some in the system, some only posted here... something might get lost. Otherwise its a no brainer. Should definitely use going forward.

I've got Hyde available for a pick swap. Or can package with the below.
Still hunting a trade partner for Hopkins, Crowder (100 ypg and 11 target AVG!), Josh Kelly, McManus (would be a PK upgrade for most and bye out of the way) and my IDP could be useful too. Looking for young keepers.
254Doug
      ID: 77541115
      Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 23:05
LOL at not even providing a status quo option for sacks in this quasi-poll. I'd be up for +1 TKL, but only if sacks stay as-is. If you increase sacks from status quo, then no TKL. I don't want IDPs to suddenly become as valuable than the offensive skill positions (especially since we start more of them). Also I'd do at least a full season of lead time for any scoring changes in a keeper league, regardless of position, so people can draft the prior year accordingly.

Re: lineups... absolutely 100% you've got to fill any byes with players on roster. If you can't manage that you don't belong in this league. Agree with #250 need a once-a-season "life happens" warning first.

I've also had cases (this year and in years past) where I thought I set my lineup a certain way on MFL, but come gameday it didn't "take", not necessarily meaning I played a bye player as a result, but didn't play my preferred lineup (usually inserting back into lineup a stud/starter coming off of their bye). I usually open all my lineup in browser tabs then go through one by one... I click submit and on my MFL teams I sometimes get some weird error message on the next screen, but unless I'm actually reading that supposed confirmation page (rarely) I may not see the error and realize that my changes didn't take. Probably at least a couple times this season I've checked my lineups on a Sunday and found a change I had made earlier in the week didn't take.

Anyway, I don't _think_ I've been an offender in this league this year, but just saying there's gotta be at least a little bit of wiggle room here for mistakes since MFL is shite, but do agree with the general principle. Definitely don't think teams should be forced to drop potential keepers to fill byes at same/other positions, but that's a different issue.

Finally yeah, would be great if draft picks were just part of the system rather than done in narrative form... all my other non-MFL leagues do it that way.

255Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 10:17
I don't want IDPs to suddenly become as valuable than the offensive skill positions (especially since we start more of them).

actually, we start an equal number of offensive players as we do defensive players - 6 of each, plus one special team player.


absolutely 100% you've got to fill any byes with players on roster. If you can't manage that you don't belong in this league. Agree with #250 need a once-a-season "life happens" warning first.


agree. but i'd like as steep escalation, something like:

First offense: warning

Second offense: drop 3 spots in the draft, post lottery.

Third offense: drop 6 spots, or lose your first rounder altogether (if you've traded that pick, it would be the next available first rounder)

Fourth offense - removal from the league. if you're not setting your line up for 35 percent of the season, why are you here?

would be great if draft picks were just part of the system rather than done in narrative form... all my other non-MFL leagues do it that way

it's obviously a matter of us enacting the setting.

256Slizz
      ID: 589492911
      Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 14:01
Isn’t that the point of idp...to create a balanced team where both sides of the ball are close to being equal?

Sacks are a scoring play...just like INT’s (which, by the way, happen at a rate of about 50% less than TD’s thrown)
257Slizz
      ID: 589492911
      Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 14:01
And agree with tree in 255.
258Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 09:29
Can we PLEASE add this? This isn't even a rule change, just something that will make for easier trade discussion:

Q: How do I allow Trading of future draft picks?

Answer: Go to the For Commissioner > Setup > Trades Setup screen to specify how many future years and picks per round you want to have (in future years' drafts) and then click on the Save changes button. These future draft picks will then appear in the For Owners > Trades screen.

259Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 12:47
After a half-season of not necessarily trying to win, I find myself at 10-8, mostly because other teams are better at not necessarily trying to win than I am. I'm less than 2 ppg better than the Eagles, who are 3-15. That being said, at 10-8, I'm looking to go for it for the remainder of the season. The reality is at this point I'm not going to get a great draft pick either way, so I might as well.

I have one decent commodity in Matt Stafford, who could help a QB deficient team down the stretch. I'm looking for a starting RB for him.
260Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 15:36
i am once again gonna scream to the rooftops about implementing something immediately about inactive managers.

please note, this isn't personal. We all have real lives, and lord knows that there are waaay more pressing issues than fantasy football.

but if you haven't checked your team in ELEVEN DAYS, and you're the same manager as mentioned previously, i'm not sure this is the league for you.

at this point, it's affecting the integrity of this league. it may still affect the playoffs, but it's certainly going to affect the draft, and as a team that is actually trying and still playing like $hit, i'm furious.

261TD
      ID: 54701522
      Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 17:30
re: 258

Logged in as commissioner and made the change Tree described in post 258. While logged in as commissioner, future draft picks were available to trade. When I was not commissioner, the draft picks were not available.

Sent a support ticket to MFL.
262TD
      ID: 54701522
      Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 18:42
Got a quick response from MFL and was able to fix the problem.

We can now trade 2021 future draft picks.

Currently set for only one year in the future. I can change this to two or more years if there is a need to trade future 2022 or later draft picks.

Hi Tom,

On the Setup > Commissioner/Franchise Setup > Abilities Setup you will need to enable the abilities for the owners.

- Julie
263Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 14:41
awesome! thank you.
264SwinganaMiss
      ID: 121044149
      Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 10:44
Some leagues I am in are setup so that the "optimal" lineup is submitted automatically by MFL if the manager doesn't submit it themselves.

I believe it uses FantasySharks projections to set that lineup. This could be an option to at least get the bye players out of lineups each week.
265WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 13:43
TRADE

Eagles get Dak Prescott, Andy Dalton, Garrett Gilbert, Nick Mullens, Chiefs 2021 3rd

Chiefs get Aaron Rodgers, Jamie Collins, David Njoku, Justin Houston, Eagles 2021 6th
266Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 11:17
PRESS RELEASE FROM THE FORT WORTH BRONCOS

In light of the outstanding effort by the Fort Worth Broncos this week, one that puts the team further behind in the Tank for Trevor Sweepstakes, it is time for this team to employ the empty backfield strategy.

Also, the empty QB, WR, TE, and IDP Strategy.

We will only play a Placekicker.

It is pretty clear this league doesn't give a crap about teams tanking, and for those teams who continue to try and win every week no matter what, it is genuinely distressing that playing to win at all costs is actually a negative for the 16 teams not making the playoffs, due to the lackadaisical attitude of this league towards tanking.

So, as a team of integrity, and in an effort to be completely transparent, the Fort Worth Broncos will be bench all players for the rest of this season, except for the poor schmuck kicking field goals.
267 TD
      ID: 54701522
      Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 14:06
Tree -

Let me know which team is tanking, and I will talk to the commissioner about what can be done. If you don't feel comfortable posting the name of the team on this thread, please email it to me.
268Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 14:45
to be clear, there's a difference between tanking and still fielding a competitive team, and tanking and not even pretending like you're trying.

I'm opting for the middle ground - i'm announcing i'm no longer going to be trying.
269GO
      ID: 517342812
      Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 15:07
Not this guy, of all the years to have low Points Against... - I keep inadvertently winning! :)
270Judy
      ID: 4410541621
      Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 23:02
WG. Remember to drop someone ASAP. Your roster has 21 on it with the trade.
271WG
      ID: 89402220
      Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 02:12
Judy, sorry, just saw this. Done.
272WG
      ID: 89402220
      Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 02:14
TRADE

Jets get Ezekiel Elliott, Preston Williams, Kareem Jackson

Chiefs get Deandre Hopkins, Breshad Perriman, Rodney McLeod
273Judy
      ID: 4410541621
      Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 12:58
Tree
It is my serious hope that your comment above are satirical.

With injuries to significant “star” players and changed bye weeks due to COVID, this has been a very difficult season.

For example, six teams have only 1 QB rostered. One injury and boom.

Comments?
274Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 14:23
It is my serious hope that your comment above are satirical.

a bit serious, a bit sarcastic. It's frustrating AF to watch intentional tank jobs, and there's really nothing in the rules to prevent it, nor any set in stone repercussions for doing so.

With injuries to significant “star” players and changed bye weeks due to COVID, this has been a very difficult season.

indeed. And most of us have managed to navigate that. Which is why this particular situation stands out so vividly.

none of these are related to any of these. I sent my specific examples to TD, but it includes playing players on bye weeks when there are other options on the bench (in games that could very well affect not only the lottery, but stunningly enough even the playoffs), not checking in for more than a week, and when in need of a QB, bypassing a starting QB on waivers and instead picking up a non-starting QB.

We've all played this game long enough to know the difference between "my mistake" and "$hit happens" & not giving an eff and making intentionally poor moves to improve one's draft standing.
275Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 19:39
It's an ongoing issue in g24. The bottom line is tanking is so much more beneficial to a team in this league than perhaps any other, because top rookies will not just help, but reset your franchise. You don't need 1-1 - you can get by with a top 5 pick, which the lottery guarantees to the lowest ranked team.

How do you fix that? You could even-out the lottery odds. You could base the lottery on points rather than record. You could count no-start zero scores and factor that into the lottery.
276TD
      ID: 54701522
      Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 22:56
It was fairly easy for calculate the number of times each franchise started a player who was on bye for the 2019 season. Just looked at Reports/Franchise/Scoring History for each franchise. Found that only a few franchises had a high number (franchise was either tanking or inactive)

1 franchise - 9 times
1 franchise - 6 times
1 franchise - 5 times
2 franchises - 3 times
3 franchises - 2 times
6 franchises - 1 time
10 franchise - 0 times

Many of the franchises with low numbers only started kickers or QBs on bye.

The franchises with 9 and 6 were both in the draft lottery.

I will try to look at the number of times each franchise started a player who was known to be Out for a game. I will post the results if I am able to do this.

I am also planning to do the same exercise for the first 10 weeks of the 2020 season.

But from this preliminary analysis, I think we need to penalize franchises that start players on bye too often. Probably something like Nerfherders suggests in post 275. Maybe remove franchises from the league that exceed some threshold.
277Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 09:12
I detailed some suggestions in post 255.

I'm also going to suggest obvious mis-management being something that falls into this category.

When you don't have a healthy starting QB, and in waivers you bypass a starting QB to pick up another backup QB, something stinks.
278ttucowboy
      ID: 311029189
      Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 10:29
Is there a way to go back and retroactive the stats? I’ve seen it done in Fantrax but not sure if MFL has the same capability. To be clear, this would be only when you have an option on your bench and are starting a player on bye or hurt.

I don’t expect people to drop players to fill byes or injured slots, but I do expect a team to not start a player on bye when they have an active player on their bench. That’s a reasonable expectation imo. The clearest example of this is Indy starting JK Dobbins on bye Week 7 when Gio Bernard was on the bench. It had an impact in the game result and could ultimately have an impact on the playoffs.
279TD
      ID: 54701522
      Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 11:06
The Commissioner has the ability to change the lineup from any week, and then recalculate the stats for that week. I think this is something we should consider for next season. Need to have a way to determine which bench player to start if more than one are available.

Someone should write up yes/no rule change proposals that we can vote on. For this and something like Tree suggested in post 255.

280Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 11:55
Another solution.

The power rankings page contains bench points for all teams. We could simply combine points-for and bench points and use that to determine lottery ranking. This way, teams can't hide players on the bench in hopes of getting a high draft pick. This, of course, doesn't fix the issue of changing w-l outcomes.

I would also advocate for all non-playoff teams to get a decent shot in the lottery, and a full re-shuffling, instead of just top 4 picks. The worst thing in this league is to just miss the playoffs. You get nothing this year, and nothing next year, and you would've been better off being 6-20 than 15-11.
281GO
      ID: 517342812
      Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 12:01
Maybe we could lottery more than the top 3 picks? and pump up the just miss the playoff team %'s?
282slizz
      ID: 446481414
      Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 14:34
We actually lottery the top 4 picks, which I was surprised to learn when assisting Judy with this year's draft lottery. Also, I feel we should update our draft lottery weighting as we are still using the identical 1994-2018 NBA Draft Lottery Odds system.

Current System:

1 250 combinations, 25.00% of receiving the No. 1 pick
2 164 combinations, 16.40% chance
3 164 combinations, 16.40% chance
4 163 combinations, 16.30% chance
5 94 combinations, 9.40% chance
6 66 combinations, 6.60% chance
7 44 combinations, 4.40% chance
8 27 combinations, 2.70% chance
9 15 combinations, 1.50% chance
10 8 combinations, 0.80% chance
11 5 combinations, 0.50% chance
12 4 combinations, 0.40% chance
13 3 combinations, 0.30% chance
14 2 combinations, 0.20% chance
15 1 combination, 0.10% chance
16 1 combination, 0.10% chance

Since the 2019 draft, the NBA changed the way they run their lottery odds...much more equitable across the board. A simple change in just telling Guru and he will re-weight when he runs it.

1 - 140 combinations, 14.0% chance of receiving the No. 1 pick
2 - 140 combinations, 14.0% chance
3 - 140 combinations, 14.0% chance
4 - 125 combinations, 12.5% chance
5 - 105 combinations, 10.5% chance
6 - 90 combinations, 9.0% chance
7 - 75 combinations, 7.5% chance
8 - 60 combinations, 6.0% chance
9 - 45 combinations, 4.5% chance
10 - 30 combinations, 3.0% chance
11 - 20 combinations, 2.0% chance
12 - 15 combinations, 1.5% chance
13 - 10 combinations, 1.0% chance
14 - 5 combinations, 0.5% chance
15 - 3 combinations, 0.3% chance
16 - 2 combinations, 0.2% chance

I think evolving with the times, like the NBA did, should fix some of it.
283slizz
      ID: 446481414
      Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 14:47
and yes...the Colts / Kyle's action, or lack thereof, was highly egregious.

The domino effect of the lassiez-faire attitude he took not only increased his odds at a top pick (he started 3 players on byes...2 IDP and Dobbins), but it could end up costing the Cleveland Browns a playoff shot.

-In Week 7, the Colts lost 86-83 to the Kansas City Chiefs. Joe Mixon was confirmed out and Gio Bernard was a chalk DFS play. On Gio alone, it should have been a 100-86 win.
-Also, in Week 7, tne Colts lost 106-83 to the Minnesota Vikings. You could argue that if he actually cared for the other 23 teams in the league and fielded 2 run of the mill IDPs, that would result in another win.

All owners should be appalled at any league inactivity. It doesn't take much to set your roster.

I won't tiptoe around it. If I was commissioner, that offense alone should knock him out of the lottery...period. I wouldn't solicit league votes either. Why should anybody be okay with potentially affecting the playoffs (still games to be played), while increasing one's odds for Trevor Lawrence etc?

As far as I'm concerned, he should pick 5th regardless of finish. More violations? We can discuss, as Tree stated so eloquently above in posts 249 & 255.
284Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Wed, Nov 18, 2020, 17:23
If we implement my suggestion and use pf + bench points for lottery, the Colts go from 2nd to 6th.

I guess there are ways to game that system too, but you'd really be doing your team a disservice to have an empty bench, just for a lottery ticket.
285Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 10:05
I'd probably argue against including bench points, because one can have a lot of bench points, and still have a team that can't seem to win (see, my Broncos, for example.)

in my case, i had 3 fairly solid QBs early on - which meant two were on the bench, scoring points. And that's a lot of bench points right off the bat. Tee Higgins had his breakout while on my bench. AJ Green scored more than half his points - over a 2 game stretch once i benched him.

I do still believe that W-L is the way to go, but i just think we need to reduce tolerance of what is, essentially, an unethical way to play the game by introducing severe punishments.

286GO
      ID: 517342812
      Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 12:01
MFL has a Power Rank... what is that comprised of?
287Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 15:39
Power rankings takes into account record, points for, % of points compared to ideal lineups, all-play record, and maybe a couple other things.

I see the point about QB's. MFL also has a table called Weekly Summary, under standings, and you can switch on potential points. THat takes all the managing out of play and just looks at ideal lineups. The Colts go from 2nd to 5th in that scenario.

https://www59.myfantasyleague.com/2020/options?L=35231&O=31&KEY=TOTAL_POTENTIAL_POINTS&START_WEEK=1&WEEK=10
288GO
      ID: 517342812
      Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 17:25
Anybody have use for Hyde tonight? will be the starter... available in a 2-1 or a pick swap.
289GO
      ID: 14143919
      Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 20:24
Can a commish get Hyde active in Vegas lineup and bench Snead... our trade got sort of hung up and didnt leave enough time for Hyde to be activated.
290SwinganaMiss
      ID: 121044149
      Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 12:07
I am on a few leagues under https://www.safeleaguesffl.com/ and they use potential points to dictate draft order.
This is pretty fair IMHO. Definitely better than bench points.

291Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 15:50
they use potential points to dictate draft order.

only if we're doing the same thing to determine standings.

lol. seriously. i loathe all these different processes to measure things. win loss is how it's done in the pros, and if someone's cheating, they're punished for it.

i'll write up a proposition some time this week, but i'm still going to advocate strongly for the Indianapolis franchise to be excluded from the lottery this season.
292twolves
      SuperDude
      ID: 811161317
      Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 09:54
I do not see a problem (as long as manager is active) with lineup using 1 player/maybe even 2 at most depending on the number of byes a team has in a given week. There have been a few weeks when I had multiple players on bye. I had to put at least 1 bye player in lineup as not willing to drop a good player on bye to pick up someone who might not score more than 0 anyway. With 24 team league not many players to choose from. I would rather lose a couple of games than break up team. I have won games even with using a bye player in past. The draft should still be based on won /loss and get rid of any points tiebreakers or make lottery involve more positions or change propportiion of numbers.
293Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 12:42
I do not see a problem (as long as manager is active) with lineup using 1 player/maybe even 2 at most depending on the number of byes a team has in a given week.

absolutely. but that's not what's being talked about here.

the issue is not playing active players currently on your roster to fill byes. the issue is intentionally grabbing a non-starter to fill a huge gap in your roster (i.e. QB) when you could have grabbed a starter.

As has been noted, no one is suggested dropping a player who may be helpful to you to fill a bye.
294Doug
      ID: 77541115
      Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 12:08
Last minute and busy with a language class at the moment, but on a quick break... I'm trying to make playoffs and am at a temporary deficit at QB due to Bridgewater. If someone wants to make an offer for either a short-term patch or a longer-term upgrade for Bridgewater/Winston give the Raiders a look and let me know. I'll try to check back just before gametime after my class ends.
295Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 13:21
it should be noted that once again, the Indianapolis franchise had opportunities this week to pick up an actual starting QB, but opted not to.

If this team is allowed in the draft lottery, I'm not sure i'll come back. it's so outrageous at this point, I can't believe every owner isn't stepping up to say something.

heck, at this point, i would strongly advocating removing this owner from the league as this franchise continues to screw with league integrity.
296Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 13:37
I'm also going to call out the Charger franchise - while Indy should be booted from the league, this would be an example of a warning, unless i'm missing something.

You don't bench Kenyan Drake and start a WR on bye and an injured RB. You don't bench a starting IDP to play a guy on bye.

both his opponents this week are fighting for playoff spot, so this will obviously have dramatic playoff implications for multiple teams.

As a league, we have a responsibility to field the best line up we can every week. I'm kind of over having a $hitty team but still trying to win every week.

don't be surprised if my announcement of benching my entire team comes true at some point in the next couple weeks.

enough is enough.
297Slizz
      ID: 5110362215
      Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 16:36
Indy left his K blank with kickers on the ww...I’m with you. It’s completely awful and unfair to the other 23 owners...

I like swings idea of the auto set for byes but if we have to worry about that they shouldn’t be in this league.
298Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 17:30
maybe it needs to be spelled out.

1. When an owner does not play a starting running back, and instead plays a guy on bye...

2. When an owner DOES NOT HAVE A STARTING QB, and intentionally passed on an available one on the waiver wire...

3. When an owner DOES NOT HAVE A STARTING QB, and intentionally passed on an available one in the free agent pool for the second week in a row.

4 When an owner who does these things plays a kicker on a bye week, when he could have gotten one in the free agent pool...

this owner is cheating, plain and simple. Just for a couple of these things, this owner should not be in the league.

add all of them together, add in the 11 days span of not checking in, and this owner is 100 PERCENT AFFECTING THE LOTTERY, AFFECTING THE PLAYOFSS, AND NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.

This shouldn't be up to league vote anymore, this isn't about how nice or great the person is, this is about the integrity of this league.

it doesn't require deep thought. it requires action.

and if there's no action, you're opting to keep an owner who cheats and doesn't check in for almost 2 weeks over owners who care passionately about this league, because several of them will leave.
299twolves
      SuperDude
      ID: 811161317
      Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 20:24
I disagree with the QB thoughts as lonmfg as you have at least 1-2 QBs on roster--it is the same as other positional needs and whether to drop someone to pick up a QB
300Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 20:30
I disagree with the QB thoughts as lonmfg as you have at least 1-2 QBs on roster--it is the same as other positional needs and whether to drop someone to pick up a QB

so you're ok with a team starting a backup QB and not even bothering to pick up a starting QB if there's one available?
301Doug
      ID: 11740813
      Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 02:24
Depends... I wouldn’t want to force a team to pick up a one-week QB filler if it meant dropping a keeper-quality player, but otherwise yeah should be trying to compete a fully active roster of RL starters whenever it is feasible and not detrimental to keeper situation.
302Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 09:18
I wouldn’t want to force a team to pick up a one-week QB filler if it meant dropping a keeper-quality player,

agreed, 100 percent.

in this case, Indianapolis dropped an injured Kyle Allen and picked up the second stringer for a different team, when he could have had Allen's replacement, Alex Smith.

the following week he could have picked up starter Joe Flacco, but opted to do nothing and played Daniel for the second consecutive week.
303R-Money
      ID: 59710815
      Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 08:15
Apologies for missing the vote above. I am strongly in the corner of IDP123 which is the below.

1 Point Plays: Assisted Tackle, QB Hits
2 Point Plays: Solo Tackle, Tackle for a Loss (TFL)
3 Point Plays: Pass Defended(PD), Forced Fumble(FF), Fumble Recoveries(FR), Safety, Blocked Kicks

Based on that my votes are, Yes, 2 points, and B since 6 points for a sack isnt an option.
6 Point Plays: Sack (SK), Interception(INT), Defensive TD(DEFTD)
304GO
      ID: 14143919
      Thu, Nov 26, 2020, 08:15
So will the league be taking ownership over the Colts until we hear further if there some type of extenuating circumstances?

I am not confident they will be starting the suddenly valuable James White or other basic moves.
306Slizz
      ID: 5110362215
      Thu, Nov 26, 2020, 13:45
Happy Thanksgiving!

GO - I say yes. I’d ask Judy / whoever has admin to make sure the lineup is at least legit with what he has on his current roster. No league vote needed.

As Amit / WG said in private “ Most annoying thing to me is when people out of it feel they have no responsibility to maintain the integrity of the current year, and their actions are solely to better themselves for next year without regard to how it may affect this year ” Couldn’t agree more.

LAC again with more violations. Let’s set both Peterson and Swift in the active lineup...with swift out and Kenyan Drake on the bench.

Should be a no brainer for those 2 franchises to be excluded from the lottery after multiple violations.
307R-Money
      ID: 59710815
      Thu, Nov 26, 2020, 20:03
In fairness - I personally didnt get official words from sleeper or yahoo that swift was out until close to noon - even though the collective FF minds "knew he was out" since tuesday.

I do agree with GO however I think the first priority is to establish future leadership so that the league can move towards most or all of us want it to be.

Whatever that may be, then we have the items that should be handled immediately, and those to be handled in the offseason and there seems to be a lot of thoughts, ideas, and changes requested.
308Judy
      ID: 181062619
      Thu, Nov 26, 2020, 20:06
LAC
I did what I could without doing add/drops. Some players locked,
I sent goaltlocker an email. It’s been almost 6 days since he checked in.

309Judy
      ID: 181062619
      Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 19:31
All Denver QB out due to COVID, Denver not going to forfeit, I think I’ll watch that game...
310Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 19:45
Balt-Pit game now being played Wednesday. Did we determine for this league what the cutoff is for a week? Is that up to MFL? Would the teams play Sunday, or even Monday, if they play Wednesday? Because then it's involving 4 teams.
311Judy
      ID: 181062619
      Tue, Dec 01, 2020, 13:55
For week 12, the Ravens-Steelers game has been postponed (again) and is now scheduled to be played on Wednesday at 3:40pm ET. The game will still count towards the current week 12 scores and stats.

This is similar to what happened in week 5 when a game was played on Tuesday night, but here is a reminder of how things will be handled this week:

The scores will count in the current week. So the Wednesday game will be included in week 12 scores.
IMPORTANT: Please do NOT change any of your league calendar or waiver settings.
The system will still process your waiver events, but they will be delayed until about 2 hours after the Wednesday game is completed.
In other words, there will be a waiver "blackout" from Monday night until Wednesday. Any waiver events that you have scheduled between the end of the Monday night game and the end of the Wednesday game will be postponed until after the Wednesday game is finished being processed. This will happen automatically, so you don't need to change any of your league settings or calendar events.
About 2 hours after the Wednesday game is completed, the final scores and standings for week 12 will be calculated. It will take a couple of hours to process the final stats and generate the final results and update the standings, so please be patient after the game ends. All of the waiver processing that would normally have been done on Tuesday and Wednesday will be processed a couple of hours after the Wed game is done.
How will this affect your league? For most leagues that lock players on Sunday or Monday and then process waivers (blind bidding or regular waivers) on Wed nights, this postponed game will not change much. Everything will still operate like a normal week except that you'll have to wait longer for the final results. Then after the standings are updated on Wed (shortly after the game), your Wed night waivers will process as usual.

If your league normally does waiver processing on Tuesdays or Wednesdays during the day, then those transactions will be delayed automatically. You won't need to make any changes to your league calendar. The waivers will still process, but not until a couple of hours after the Wednesday game results are finalized.
312Judy
      ID: 181062619
      Tue, Dec 01, 2020, 13:57
The above post is why I like MFL. It has been a great program and it responds quickly when new algorithms are needed such as for COVID taxi squads and stuff like this.

Just sayin’
313Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Tue, Dec 01, 2020, 15:33
I agree. I think it's still a bit bloated and needs a new user interface, but it does have alot of nice tools and analytics.
314Judy
      ID: 181062619
      Tue, Dec 01, 2020, 21:33
You know you can design your own personal homepage. Right? They have tons of choices and you can put the modules you want anywhere.
315Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sun, Dec 06, 2020, 17:56
I'm going to be matter of fact with this statement - there are entirely too many teams in this league not setting their roster, not inserting active players into their roster in place of guys on bye or backs ups that won't play, and it affects the playoffs and the draft lottery, and it's not fair to the owners who are filling their rosters in the best way possible every week.

Kyle/Tax/Goat - Why have you guys left players on a bye in your roster, when you've had players on your bench that were obviously starting?


Tax - why leave Beathard in for Jackson at QB?

Kyle - When you did not have a healthy QB, and there was one on waivers, why did you skip over that healthy starting QB, in multiple weeks, for a second stringer who we knew wasn't starting?

It's time for these thing to be called out.
316Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Sun, Dec 06, 2020, 19:42
I kind of feel like instead of having one commish, we have three co-commishes - One in charge of pre-season and the draft, One in charge of regular season and making sure lineups are correct, and one in charge of the playoffs and dues. The H2H and keeper aspect of this league makes this a bigger job than a normal 'fire and forget' kind of league, especially when there is more room for shenanigans.
317GO
      ID: 14143919
      Sun, Dec 06, 2020, 22:32
Treasurer... Secretary... President and Vice President? Chairman?

Need a Cabinet!
318Slizz
      ID: 581131710
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 11:32
Like a CEO who delegates responsibilities to various sections of G24. I.E. treasurer, scheduling, keeping the board discussions, league integrity, trades, etc.
319GO
      ID: 517342812
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 12:47
I'd definitely do something, but I know I have no clue how to use MFL interface or especially how to deal with scheduling aspect.
320Judy
      ID: 31120713
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 14:20
I need someone to post the seedlings for the playoffs as soon as the Tuesday night game is finished.

So I can set the playoff schedule,

Thanks.
321Judy
      ID: 31120713
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 14:20
You might want to check with me to see where the responsibilities divide up...

Just saying...
322Judy
      ID: 31120713
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 14:38
I can certainly give important information about tasks and time required for each task.

Some tasks are very time consuming, others not so much. Some require days of effort, some just several hours. Some run themselves once they get started (draft). A lot is cajoling managers to pay attention especially in the preseason when auggestions are discussed and decisions offered and made. It’s like pulling teeth with a tweezer.

For example, Getting everyone to pay dues is a real hassle and it shouldn’t be. One team STILL HASN’T PAID. One team refused to pay the full penalty owed despite email reminders and a months notice.

Some require manager input (like for polling or poll question wording) which is not the greatest in the league as some speak a lot and some NOT AT ALL.

You might want to try to understand the current situations before you start guessing how to fix it.

Just saying...

You also need to remember that as Commish I have asked people to step up and some have (draft order, lottery, season schedule spreadsheet, playoff rankings, etc) just to name a few tasks that I have delegated to managers who have stepped up and provided that information.
323Judy
      ID: 31120713
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 14:45
So here is my challenge to you:

Make a list of the tasks you think the Commish does or should do and I’ll let you know where it fits into the job description.

I’ll start you off:

Seeing who is returning
Finding new managers if needed
Voting on accepting new managers if needed

Bringing Financial spreadsheet up to date
Sending out dues notices
Logging in dues payments

Soliciting rules changes
Guiding discussions about rule changes

Deciding about polls
Wording for polls
Getting ALL MANAGERs TO VOTE IN POLLS (major hassle)

Draft order (usually done right after playoffs for following year).
Draft lottery
Putting same in MFL


OK that’s just the preseason

You get to keep going

324Judy
      ID: 31120713
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 14:50
FYI. Forgot one

Fortunately MFL just rolls calendar issues over from year to year so that only needs minor tweaks, such as keeper deadlines and draft start which we decide on each year.

325WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 16:16
I've refrained from posting on the issue of absentee managers for a bit but just a few quick comments. Judy, we definitely appreciate all the work you have done and continue to do as commish. Tree's and other's posts weren't an indictment of you, but more a challenge to the league and the managers like the ones you have highlighted, given the seemingly rampant issue of inactivity. Everyone has outside responsibilities but when you're in a league, you have responsibilities in it is as well. There is a bare minimum of energy a manager has to exert to comply and not be an issue. Pay your dues (which literally take one minute with Venmo and Paypal), vote in polls, and field a competitive lineup from start to finish. If you still haven't paid dues at this point, you probably don't belong in the league moving forward. If you don't vote in polls, that's on you, and you're subject to the decisions reached by those who did take the time to vote. If you're eliminated from contention, realize that you still have an impact on those who are fighting for playoff spots, and set your lineups. Coming up with these complicated penalty systems shouldn't be the default, decency for the other managers should be. And this isn't even to mention basic things like responding to emails and trade proposals because its the right thing to do, which itself is tough for some people for some reason.

FWIW, I would vote to require dues in by keepers and lock activity til you pay, and I would vote for some penalty + subbing in players scheme for the weekly offenders, with at least the penalty part of it to take immediate effect for next year's draft.
326Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 16:27
Tree's and other's posts weren't an indictment of you, but more a challenge to the league and the managers

every bit of this.

Judy - I've commissioned league's before, league's much smaller than this, and it is a thankless job, so your effort is commendable, and beyond reproach. If i ever implied you were not doing your job, that was not my intent, just mounting frustration at the lack of action from certain owners.
327Judy
      ID: 31120713
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 19:58
Just how much am I expected to push managers to, as Bill would say
“DO YOUR JOB!”

We have no penalties and for some cases no proof of intent.

I don’t know most of you except via fantasy and I can only do so much thru repeated emails.

If a manger cannot assume that responsibility then what...

328Judy
      ID: 31120713
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 20:02
Tree's and other's posts weren't an indictment of you, but more a challenge to the league and the managers

Hah. Sorry, but That is ABSOLUTELY NOT HOW IT CAME ACROSS.

Then figure out a way to define criteria for active manager participation in the league and remove those who fail at this.

It is not my job to babysit.
329R-Money
      ID: 59710815
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 20:08
I think when the season is over we need to establish two things as soon as possible.

first - a Mandatory check in for everyone who wants to return.

Second - A meeting for those that want there voices heard and discuss the changes that need to be put forward, such as Removing owners, penalties going forward, voting thresholds for changes, Comish/or leadership committee powers, scoring and roster changes, How to move forward if we diminish the league to less teams, anything else. These items can then be put forward to the larger group of owners for voting on.
330Judy
      ID: 31120713
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 20:43
Just to let you know, I’ve tried to do this every year. Once playoffs arecover, no one cares til summer.

Maybe this year will be different.
331WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Dec 07, 2020, 21:56
Judy, you're right, and so we all take responsibility for not having measures already in place to combat and address these issues. But that's our point. The default should be people paying on time, voting, and setting lineups... not the Commish chasing and the league needing these complicated safety measures.
332Judy
      ID: 31120713
      Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 08:05
Championship seedings:

AFC
Division winners:
1. Cincy 21-5
2. kC 19-7
Wild card by W/L then total points:
3. Baltimore 19-7
4. Cleveland 18-8
(Cleveland and Jacksonville both 18-8, Cle had 1508.00 PT’s, Jax had 1445.33)

Match ups
Cincy v Cleveland
KC c Baltimore


NFC
Division winners:
1. Saints 18-8
2. Green Bay 17-9 (by total points over Seattle 1523.07>1449.82)
Wildcards:
3. Seattle 17-9
4. Minnesota 14-12 by total points 1348.51 over Chicago 1211.12

Matchup

Saints v Minnesota
GB v Seattle

If I made an error I am sure you will let me know.

Drop add abilities frozen for all other teams.

333Judy
      ID: 31120713
      Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 08:05
Would someone please post seeding. For consolation and toilet bowl events.

Thanks.
334Judy
      ID: 31120713
      Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 08:09
332

Minnesota 14-12 over chicago, Dallas, SF and. Detroit but total points.
335Judy
      ID: 31120713
      Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 10:10
Prize monies:

1. Champ $120 plus $20 for trophy
2. Runner up $75
3. $50
4. $45
5. $40
6. $35
7. $30
8. $25

$5 off of 2021 dues in each bracket for:
Highest game score on last day

Best regular season record: $10
Cincinnati 21-5
Most total point regular season: $5
KC 1543.06
Highest single game score regular season: $5
KC 186.55

NEW for 2020:
Wanna be bowl winner: $2 off 2021 dues
Toilet bowl winner: $2 off 2021 dues
336Bobo
      ID: 34512812
      Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 12:39
As my QB1 would say, "LFG!"

I'm so happy to be in the tournament here. It's been a rough fantasy season in other leagues. I have come to truly appreciate this league and all the aspects of it (ahem - set your line-ups!).

Cheers to my competitors.
337Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 13:55
Consolation placings (and reverse draft order).

9. Jacksonville
10. Dallas
11. San Francisco
12. Chicago
13. Detroit
14. Las Vegas
15. Buffalo
16. Arizona

17. Houston
18. Carolina
19. Denver
20. LA Chargers
21. Philly
22. Indy
23. NY Giants
24. NY Jets

There is some odd synergy with the RL NFL standings there.
338Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 14:01
All I had to do was score 81 points last week to make the playoffs, and the Lions choked again with the season on the line. If you count last week as a playoff game for me, Ive averaged 77 points in 5 playoff games, scoring under 70 three times, and lost all 5.
339Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 16:33
I'm so happy to be in the tournament here.

your season was super streaky!

Started off 3-1, then dropped 9 of your next 14 to drop to 8-10, then won 6 of your next 8 to finish at 14-12.


All I had to do was score 81 points last week to make the playoff..

from the looks of things, you went to Tua time at all the wrong times. of the 6 times you started him - including once where Fitzpatrick was the starter - only once was he the top QB play on your team. And I thought those things only happened to me...
340Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 19:38
This is true, but not once did it factor in a result. I either won outright, or I couldn't make the difference up in the loss with the other QB's. The only thing I kick myself for was not going for it sooner. I kind let some bye weeks slip past me where I might have been able to get a win. But I honestly did not think I had a competitive team this year, and my ppg do show that, despite my record. I got a bit lucky.
341Bobo
      ID: 34512812
      Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 17:12
And now let's hope I streak for the right reasons!
342Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 18:01
Are we not allowed to use IR if were are in the active consolation bracket? I want to simply switch one IR player, who is no longer on the IR, with another, who is.
343SwinganaMiss
      ID: 121044149
      Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 08:37
Was wondering if the franchises eliminated from champ bracket should still be able to make moves since they are still fighting for final placement (and $) ?
I think not by rule, but they should be....something to think about for next year if nothing else.


344GO
      ID: 517342812
      Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 10:37
Eliminated teams should stay the heck out of the way of the contenders. Your 5 dollar difference for 5th place makes no difference.

You know it was only a few short years ago... that this league allowed NO ROSTER MOVES once the playoffs started? Now THAT was insane.
My Football 101 league tested compromise has been a success I think. In the old world... contender lost a kicker? Oh well! That was insanity.

Much like not having at least Half-PPR in this day and age... and taking this long to help out those low scoring DL/DE guys.
345Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 11:24
In my case I'm not taking anything away from the contenders - just making an internal move. But IR is locked. I don't remember that specifically mentioned as a thing.
346Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 11:46
simply put, if you're eliminated, your season is over. any further games are just gravy.

since your season is over, you should make no roster pickups or drops.
347GO
      ID: 517342812
      Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 11:48
For IR -- I don't see any reason you can't reshuffle that. Agreed. Do we think this is a setting we have?
348Judy
      ID: 1611302420
      Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 21:37
Only teams in the championship are allowed to do add/drop, IR and taxi moves.
Once you lose, you lose those abilities. Frankly, I forgot to update them this season as the playoffs progressed.

349youngroman
      ID: 515013
      Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 19:24
I give up. 5 TD's from Kamara. are you kidding me?

Josh Allen, its your turn to top that.
350Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 19:48
Yeah that's a heckuva time to put up 6 TD's in a game. I looked at that and said to myself "Whoever has Kamara just won their league." Sure enough both this league and RIFC AAA finalists both have Kamara.
351Judy
      ID: 1611302420
      Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 21:37
And then Evans goes off...
352Judy
      ID: 1611302420
      Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 07:24
Congrats to Seattle. Not a real mail biter tho.

Will post playoff finishes later today.

If someone wants to post the draft order for next year, that would be nice.
353Judy
      ID: 1611302420
      Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 11:48
Playoff order of finish:

Champion: Seattle
Runner up: Cincinnati
3. Baltimore
4. NOLA
5. KC
6. Cleveland
7. Minnesota
8. Green Bay

Wanna be:
Champion: Jacksonville
Runner up: Las Vegas
3. Buffalo
4. Detroit
5. Arizona
6. San Francisco
7. Chicago
8. Buffalo

Toilet Bowl:
Champion: Houston
Runner up: Fort Worth
3. Philadelphia
4. Carolina
5. Los Angles
6. Indianapolis
7; NY jets
8. NY Giants

354Judy
      ID: 1611302420
      Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 11:58
Prizes $

1. $120 Champion Seattle (plus $20 for trophy, plus $5 off 2021 dues for last day high point)
2. $75 Cincinnati (plus $10 for best record, 21-5)
3. $50. Baltimore
4. $45 NOLA
5. $40 KC (plus $5 most total points, plus $5 high points last game of regular season
6. $35 Cleveland
7. $30 Minnesota
8. $25 Green Bay

Wanna be champion: Jacksonville ($5 off 2921 dues)
Wanna be last day high point: Chicago ($5 off 2021 dues)

Toilet bowl champion: Houston ($5 off 2021 dues)
Toilet bowl last day high point: Philadelphia ($5 off 2021 dues)
355Judy
      ID: 1611302420
      Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 12:01
Dues for 2021 should stay at $20.

If you decide to collect your prize money I’ll deduct the 2021 dues from it. I will send details on how to in a separate email.

Remember you cannot draft until you pay your dues.

If anyone knows now that they plan to drop out of the league, please post here. Include your and the team name.

If you want to consider any rules changes please post here.

357Nerfherders
      ID: 56261418
      Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 12:26
Grats to Seattle. Winning a league like this is quite a feather in anyone's cap!

Draft/Lottery order:

1. NY Jets
2. NY Giants
3. Indy
4. Philly
5. LA Chargers
6. Denver
7. Carolina
8. Houston
9. Arizona
10. Buffalo
11. Las Vegas
12. Detroit
13. Chicago
14. San Francisco
15. Dallas
16. Jacksonville

17. Green Bay
18. Minnesota
19. Cleveland
20. Kansas City
21. New Orleans
22. Baltimore
23. Cincy
24. Seattle

(please check my work!)
358R-Money
      ID: 59710815
      Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 13:21
Thanks for the breakdowns Judy and Nerf
359Bobo
      ID: 34512812
      Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 13:46
@Judy - just wanting to check here. I've sent 2 e-mails and wanted to confirm you've received them.

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