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Subject: 2020 RG14
Posted by: Judy
- [2511617] Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 21:54
Opening thread for discussions.
Keepers on a separate thread. |
| 1 | Doug
ID: 11740813
Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 02:36
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In
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| 2 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 384502818
Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 09:10
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In
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| 3 | gurudan
ID: 5972117
Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 15:15
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smithfield tigers IN
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| 4 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 27546716
Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 17:32
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In
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| 5 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 16:11
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We do need to resolve the issue of draft pick swaps before we do anything else.
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| 6 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 16:20
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Also, I paid for the league on MFL, in order to get the early bird pricing. Cost was $59.95, split 14 ways is $4.28 per manager.
Paypal to davehall@rotoguru2.com, designate as payment to friend or family - to avoid fees. (On confirmation, the email address may appear as Uncommon Cents, LLC.)
If you prefer paying by check, make payable to Dave Hall and mail to 114 Meadow Lane, West Hartford, CT 06107.
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| 7 | AthleticsGuy
ID: 425381310
Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 11:38
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In
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| 8 | gurudan
ID: 13501312
Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 13:00
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gurudan(smithfield tigers) sent $5.00 to Rotoguru for RG14. Mark me outta da book lol
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| 9 | taxman
ID: 46530518
Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 19:54
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in
I continue to be against draft pick swaps.
IMHO .. The better teams have better players that can be used to entice a lower fishing manager to allow draft pick swaps for rounds tied to keepers (thus no pick) in hand...thus continuing to move up in the draft to get better players for following season draft pick swaps.....wash, rinse, repeat. Same managers involved each year.
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| 10 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 27546716
Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 11:09
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So, you don't want to allow "better teams" to use their "better players" to move up in the draft?
And you don't want "lower finishing managers" to use their own draft picks to acquire assets to get better?
I guess we should disable ALL trading because it might allow two teams to both get better. Or, maybe that's the entire point of TRADING in the first place.
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| 11 | taxman
ID: 46530518
Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 13:25
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Swapping draft picks when you have no pick due to a keeper is not improving your team, but degrading every other managers team by giving up air in exchange for improving your teams draft position.
Explain the value given when pick tied to a keeper is given up. You have no pick, so what value have you given.
The point of this league is to lose a pick associated to the round value assigned to a particular player based on that players draft history. Allowing the trade of that pick to get a better draft selection is contrary to the premise of this league.
Why am I the only person to see this. If you choose to keep a player...you should lose the associated pick calculated by league rules. NO EXCEPTIONS
Thus no trade of that specific pick.
Either it is the premise of this league or it isn't. Simple choice.
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| 12 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 27546716
Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 21:55
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So, you want the "lower finishing managers" to pay more for their keepers than the "better teams".
There will be 4-5 teams (maybe) that will use a 1st round pick. If Judy is 1.01 and keeping Michael Thomas, you don't think she should be able to offer it up to those managers and get an upgrade somewhere?
I think, she shouldn't have to pay any more than I pay for McCaffrey at 1.13 or IB pays for Hopkins at 1.14.
So, let her solicit trade offers from those 4-5 managers and get what she can to balance out that inequity. She will still be able to "lose a pick associated to the round value assigned to a particular player based on that players draft history" if she moves down to 1.11 or 1.12, so it's not contrary to "the premise".
If she wants to keep Fournette or Wentz in the 2nd, let her take offers for the 2.01 too.
She earned the x.01 picks, so let her use them however she can to benefit her team.
You should do what you can to benefit your team, as should we all.
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| 14 | taxman
ID: 46530518
Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 08:37
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So, you want the "lower finishing managers" to pay more for their keepers than the "better teams".
Quoting me out of context from #9 post does not change the premise of the league.
For every keeper chosen, you the associated draft pick based on that keeper's draft history is lost. The lost pick does not become a tradable asset. Simple.
In your example, based on last years results, Smithfield Tigers draft 2nd, followed by Goatlocker. If Judy chooses to keep Michael Thomas, that 1.01 pick is lost and Smithfield Tigers, picking out of the 2nd slot gets to select first in the draft. Allowing Judy to trade that pick allows her to gain a benefit from a lost pick and hurts Smithfield Tigers, Goatlocker and every other manager in that round finishing beneath whomever traded for her lost pick. Each of those following managers should have one less player chosen before they draft because Judy's pick is lost for that round. The correct result when Judy has chosen a keeper that is tied to pick 1.01, is that pick is lost for the draft and does not become a tradable asset. Premise of the league. Your trade scenario hurts every other manager in the league and bastardizes the league premise.
Trading a lost pick should not be allowed. It is a lost pick, not an asset. Does not prevent trading of picks not tied to keepers.
You can continue to dress up your examples, but like the pig with lipstick..it is still a pig.
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| 15 | GoatLocker
ID: 492542212
Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 10:57
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I'm in and just sent money.
Sorry I was late seeing this.
Dave, use the extra as you need.
GL
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| 16 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 11:05
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Maybe that's the simplest way to express the proposed rule change.
"A lost pick is not a tradeable asset".
Suppose that a team finished last in the prior year, and therefore qualifies for the first pick in each round. If that team decides to keep a player associated with round 2, then the "lost pick" is defined as pick 2.01. If he does not own pick 2.01 (due to a trade made prior to keeper declarations), then a pick prior to 2.01 must be forfeited.
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| 17 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 27546716
Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 09:31
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FWIW, I don't consider it a "lost pick" until she finalizes her keepers and at that time she owes "a first rd pick" for Michael Thomas---it could be 1.12 or 1.01.
IMHO, Smithfield did not earn the 1.01 pick. So, he is not entitled to it just because Judy keeps MT. If Smithfield wants to ensure he picks first, he can trade w/ Judy to get it (and so could taxman, Goatlocker, Guru, or anyone). I am in favor of a "free market" which encourages active owners and trading. I find your ideas create a sense of entitlement and apathy.
All that said, I will abide by the rules if changed. It is most important that we are all going by the same rules.
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| 18 | taxman
ID: 46530518
Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 12:56
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It is most important that we are all going by the same rules..... true that
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| 19 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 27546716
Sun, Aug 09, 2020, 15:30
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We should decide if we need a contingency plan for how to handle Keeper Status if the season is cancelled or cut short.
We could give a "no-escalation year" (a 6th keeper this year would be 6th next year), or make it business as usual (a 6th would be a 3rd next year).
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| 21 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 10:40
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per 16...proposed rule change posed by Guru that protects the draft picks/positions from a higher finishing team moving to more advantageous draft position:
"A lost pick is not a tradeable asset"
Judy please call for a vote
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| 22 | Judy
ID: 7716819
Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 13:57
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Re #21.
Let me try to sort this out — for myself, using my team.
Right now I see These keepers in theses slots:
1. M Thomas Stays at #1
2. Wentz. Was 5 moves to 2.5 which rounds to 2
3. Adams was 6, moves to 3
3. Sanders Rookie drafted at 3, stays there. Moves to 4 since 3 is filled.
8. Singletary Rookie drafted at 8, stays there
(IDP guy was added so Dupree is 24.)
This means that draft slots 1 thru 4 are filled by my keepers. As a result I have no power to trade away those slots.
My first pick, if I keep these guys — which I plan to do 🤗 — will be pick 5.01.
Then I have 6.01, 7.01, Singletary, 9.01. Etc.
So is this what we want:
If you have a keeper in a draft slot , that slot may not be traded away. You and your keeper need to stay there.
Do I have it right?
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| 23 | Doug
ID: 77541115
Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 16:58
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I agree with 17 that the "lost pick" language doesn't seem to apply if the trades happen prior to keeper declarations... no picks have been lost at that stage.
What it seems like the proposal means to say is that you need to give up your "original pick for that round, or better" (but not overriding the rules about two 1st round picks allowing to be kept with a 1st and 2nd, for example... but in that example those 1at and 2nd picks both need to be the "original pick or better" for those rounds in order for those two first-round-cost players to be kept).
I find this proposal problematic on two levels:
1) It essentially forces team with higher picks (due to worse prior season performance) to pay a higher cost for their keepers than the teams that did well the prior season (i.e., 1.14 pick is basically the same value as 2.01 pick, but champ gets to use that 1.14 for a 1st-round keeper wheras the worst team has to use 1.01 for a similar 1st-round keeper). The current system allows the lower-performing teams to realize the value of their pick (which is intended to provide balance to the league) by enabling them to trade back in the round.
2) it actively discourages a fair amount of in-season trading, as I now need to take into account and try to predict what slot the pick will be in next year (not just what round) and whether that will impact my potential keepers... it makes trading a picks a higher risk, not to overplay this, but just acknowledging it could have some dampening effect on trading.
All that said, I get that some people prefer a simpler approach and see the current system as promoting unnecessary gamesmanship rather than as enabling market value to be realized. I think it's just a matter of perspective, and I honestly don't feel strongly about it either way and will gladly abide by whatever we decide to do.
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| 25 | GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 17:11
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Has anybody got a spreadsheet of last years draft?
I'm brain dead I think.
Starting to look at things now.
GL
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| 26 | gurudan
ID: 5972117
Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 16:58
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I'm lost. If Rodgers is kept from last season at pick 1.12, it doesn't mean I get pick 1.02 and Rodgers? I assume if rodgers is kept,I get no 1st round pick?? True
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| 27 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 27546716
Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 19:47
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Hi Goatlocker, I sent a spreadsheet to Judy's entire list. Check, and let me know if you didn't get it.
(same goes for everyone, in fact)
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| 28 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 27546716
Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 19:55
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Hi gurudan.
You have the .02 picks in the draft this year.
To keep Rodgers, you would use the 1.02 pick and would then have no 1st rd pick.
Now, under current rule you could trade back in the first. If you traded with me for example (I have the 1.13), I would give you something in return for moving up from 1.02 to 1.13. You would still have a 1st rd pick (now the 1.13 which you got from me) to use for Rodgers.
If the rule changes, then you can't trade with me and keep Rodgers, because you must use your earned pick (1.02) for Rodgers.
Hope this clarifies.
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| 29 | Judy
ID: 7716819
Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 21:24
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Hey swing
Your explanation above is the first time I have understood what happened last year.
Finally I get it.
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| 30 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 23:35
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You have turned wine to water. If Judy has pick 1.03 she just got hosed. With Gurudan keeping Rogers he has lost his 1st round pick. He can not trade back into the 1st round. With the lost pick rule Judy has the next pick.
Judy is pushed back a pick if Gurudan trades to Swinginamiss. Judy would have no one picking in @1.02 if the pick is lost. Gurudan is still not going to get a pick in the first round. Gurudan has only enriched Swinganamiss... to the detriment of the league as a whole and to all managers picking between 1.02 and 1.13. Swinginamiss earned his 13th pick in each round with his superior team last season.
League was premised on losing the pick corresponding to your keepers. Allowing trade of lost pick does not penalize you for your keeper.
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| 31 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 23:41
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Gurudan..post 26.
Yes. You have lost your 1st round pick. If you trade 1st round picks with a manager that has a first round pick, they get your pick @ 1.02 and you get (in the example) pick 1.13 which is still lost because you have a keeper tied to a first round pick.
The player you have traded with now has moved in front of other managers who have a 1st round pick after you 1.02 and before 1.13
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| 32 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 27546716
Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 13:25
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[30] In your scenario where Judy has 1.03, she earned the 3rd pick. She didn't earn the 2nd pick. To expect the 2nd pick is the sense of entitlement that I am against.
Just because you have the 4th pick, doesn't mean you deserve the 1st pick if the players ahead of you have keepers. You earned the 4th pick. Stop thinking you are entitled to move up. You are the one that’s trying to turn your Bud Light into Dom Perignon. I’m the one reminding you it’s a Bud Light.
If I have Dom Perignon and I don’t drink alcohol, should I pour it down the drain ? Or should I try and trade someone for a delightful 6-pack of Pepsi or a cup of coffee?
Trading is supposed to be beneficial to both of the teams trading. That's why they agree to do it. It's not detrimental to any other team because all the other 12 teams are STILL getting the picks that they earned.
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| 33 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 27546716
Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 13:26
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[29] Judy, glad I can help.
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| 34 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 14:02
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Sorry for being slow to act this year. We lost power for 80 hours last week (tropical storm passed through CT), and it really threw me behind schedule.
Special thanks to Swinganamiss for putting together the draft grid. I usually try to do it myself, but with all of the other conflicts this month (storms, baseball season starting, NBA restarting, etc.) I just haven't gotten to it. So I think I'll just rely on Swing's grid. If you think any pick round is off, speak up. Our rules are complex, particularly for players who may have been drafted, then dropped, then added again during the season.
Judy's email mentioned August 16 as the keeper date, but that seems unduly early. Can we push that back to the following weekend?
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| 35 | Judy
ID: 7716819
Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 16:01
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Guru
Keepers selection starts August 16, ends August 27 (Which might be a bit late?)
Select Keepers
Sun Aug 16 2020 9:30 p.m. ET
until Thu Aug 27 2020 11:00 p.m. E
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| 36 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 19:56
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Those dates look OK.
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| 37 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 02:19
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Judy...Dave
Are we going to vote on the lost pick issue ??
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| 38 | Judy
ID: 467461519
Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 22:39
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Yes. Gotta phrase it.
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| 39 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 27546716
Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 02:51
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Please also develop wording/rules/consensus for...
Keeper escalation if the 2020 season is cancelled or significantly reduced. Such as...6th rd keeper in 2020 could be a 6th again in 2021 (no escalation) or 3rd in 2021 (normal escalation) or it could be "pro-rated" if the season is cut short (No escalation if < 6 games, normal if full season, half-escalation if between 6 and full season).
Likewise, there should some clarity on 2021 draft order if the season is cancelled or cut short.
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| 40 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 11:17
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one issue at a time please
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| 41 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 11:21
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Judy asked me to try to fashion some formal language for a rule regarding draft pick swaps. A number of suggestions have been made over the past 12 months, all with some degree of complexity. I think the best approach is to go with the most intuitive approach, which is that if your normal slot in the draft is N, then your keeper in a given round must be for pick N - or else earlier in that round (or in a prior round), if pick N has been traded away.
Remember that we already have a rule that prohibits trading of any pick in the first 5 rounds until 1 month prior to the keeper deadline. So there are no issues related to potentially trading away a pick in the first 5 rounds during the prior season, before keepers have been fully assessed. This could happen for round 6 or later, however.
Good arguments have been made for leaving things as they stand, and frankly, I am sympathetic to those arguments. I am also aware that this allows trades that evoke a strong negative visceral reaction in some people. Frankly, I feel strongly both ways.
Clearly, we need to put this to a vote. So, in the absence of anyone else putting forth a proposal, how about this (worded so that a simple yes or no should suffice):When a team forfeits a pick in a given round to keep a player, that forfeited pick must be the team’s regular slotted pick for that round. If a team has traded away that slotted pick, then the next available earlier pick must be forfeited. (A regular slotted pick is defined as the pick that a team would own if no picks had been traded.)
Swing also makes a good suggestion that we attempt to define the future consequences of an aborted season. Let me try to frame something for that as well. Stand by...
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| 42 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 12:00
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Here's a straw man proposal for carryover impacts of covid-related game cancelations:
As an aside, be aware that MFL offers a taxi-squad option where players who are designated a COVID-IL can be placed on a team's taxi squad, enabling the active roster to go find replacement players without having to drop a player. We'll be using this framework for the RIFC leagues as well, and our rules should mimic the RIFC guidelines. (Details to follow.)
Our regular season consists of 13 weeks. During that time, all NFL teams should collectively play 192 games. So I think that the 13-week, 192 game total should be a benchmark.
We don’t know how the NFL will react to Covid-positive testing. In baseball, individual teams have been temporarily shut down while the rest of the league goes forward.
So it’s possible that even with limited games missed during the regular season, we may hit the first week of the playoffs with less than all 32 teams in action. We should probably also decide whether missing one or more NFL teams for the playoffs should lead to canceling the playoffs (or at least, eliminating any carryover impact of the playoffs on the following year’s draft slotting.)
Swing has suggested three options for assigning keeper draft picks in 2021:
1. Use our normal rules
2. Freeze all repeat keeper picks at the same round as in 2020
3. Apply some proportionate reduction in pick round for repeat keepers.
Assume that we define the triggers as the percentage of the actual games played through 13 weeks compared to the full schedule of 192 games. Let’s define this percentage as X=(actual GP)/192.
Let me throw out some numbers for discussion. I have not fully thought through the ramifications.
1. If X>90.0%, then our normal rules apply (less than 20 games missed, or an average of 1.5 missed games per week.)
2. If X is between 70% and 90%, then the reduction in pick is reduced by one-third
3. If X is between 50% and 70%, then the reduction in pick is reduced by two-thirds
4. If X is less than 50%, then keeper pick rounds are frozen (not reduced from 2020), and draft pick slotting for 2021 is based on 2019 season standings.
Note that I used reductions in "thirds" because most picks are reduced by 12, 6, or 3 rounds.
For playoffs, we could say that the playoffs will proceed as long as the NFL is still active. However, if more than one NFL team is inactive in any playoff week, then the results of the playoffs will have no impact on the 2021 draft pick slotting.
Thoughts?
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| 43 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 27546716
Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 20:48
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Hi Goatlocker, I re-sent the spreadsheet to you. Check, and let me know if you still didn't get it.
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| 44 | ywc
ID: 147441822
Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 23:44
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I'm not sure if I understand the proposed forfeiture rule. Using my example here, if I decide to keep DeAndre Hopkins I effectively would forfeit my first-round pick (1.14). But if I decide not to keep Hopkins and trade away my 1.14 what happens? I also forfeit my 2nd pick? If that is the case, who gets that pick? The team that receive my 1.14?
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| 45 | GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 12:52
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SwinganaMiss,
I got it, thank you.
Don't know what happened the first time. I probably inadvertently deleted it.
GL
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| 46 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 27546716
Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 12:53
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hi ywc,
If you keep DH you will forfeit 1.14.
If you don't keep DH, you can either make a pick at 1.14 or trade 1.14 for something else that you want.
If you traded 1.14 because you weren't planning to keep Hopkins, and then you later decided that you did want to keep DH.....then you would need to trade back into the 1st round to keep him (since he requires forfeiture of a 1st).
Nothing here would impact your 2nd round pick.
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| 47 | Judy
ID: 22732318
Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 13:07
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I just posted the MFL taxi squad for Covid players.
Please comment.
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| 48 | gurudan
ID: 13501312
Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 15:28
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No clue. What is the strategy to build a taxi squad? Our baseball has nothing for covid or injury.Fifty three pitchers hit the IL in the 1st two weeks!!! Also, you have no clue who teams have in reserve without a preseason. So am I to assume, we draft FA's to fill a covid fill in squad???
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| 49 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 4112923
Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 11:47
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I think we will need a solution for inactives... At least for this season.
I don't know how taxi squads are being setup, but I would prefer having the option.
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| 50 | Judy
ID: 22732318
Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 15:58
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If your player is designated with a C, he can go on the taxi squad. There are 50 taxis slots.
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| 51 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 16:09
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I would suggest that players who are sitting out the season should be off limits for drafting or as F/A pickups.
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| 52 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 16:12
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[48] There is no strategy to "build a taxi squad". It's just available as a place to temporarily stash players who are on the Covid list (without a need to drop a player or tie up an active roster slot.)
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| 53 | Judy
ID: 92552311
Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 21:47
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Busy inputting draft slot for keepers
Will do pool for not drafting or FA H players
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| 54 | GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 11:52
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All,
I want to apologize for my timing out.
Work got in the way, and shouldn't have.
Forgot there were only a couple of picks before me next one and didn't set queue.
Won't happen again. Emailed Judy and will take whoever I get when it happens.
Sorry.
GL
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| 55 | artofmonk
ID: 557143112
Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 13:15
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I waited to make my pick for a bit.
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| 56 | jaydog
ID: 18328613
Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 17:08
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Sorry for the delay today... had a day off work with my son and had forgotten that with all of the keepers, the picks come a bit more fast and furious. I'll do better next time!
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| 57 | GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Mon, Aug 31, 2020, 19:51
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artofmonk, saw that, thank you. Judy got the pick made.
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| 58 | Doug
ID: 77541115
Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 21:23
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Ugh... make sure you don't bid on an identically-named player at a different position from the one you intend or you might see your bid dollars go straight down the drain.
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| 59 | TD
ID: 54701522
Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 11:56
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Doug - Costly error. I remember coming close to doing that in some drafts.
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| 60 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 384502818
Thu, Oct 01, 2020, 13:48
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FYI - I sent out a couple offers to the league in case anyone needs help at RB.
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| 61 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 384502818
Thu, Oct 01, 2020, 18:05
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Are we waiting to see what Guru will do with Taxi Squad?
Per MFL (Option needs to be enabled):
"In addition, allow players on the Taxi Squad whose team is on a bye in the upcoming week? Yes"
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| 62 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 11:37
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From the RIFC thread:
In the absence of much reaction one way or the other, I'm going to leave things as they are for this week. Since no other teams are on bye this week, missing only one game is unlikely to create major disruption. However, I'm keeping the option open for future weeks.
However, since our rules allow for only one RB (with an extra flex) for bye weeks, I will enable that setting for this week. (This has also been enabled in our RG14 league).
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| 63 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 384502818
Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 09:35
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Any thoughts on how we are handling COVID/Taxi Squad for keeper eligibility? If a player is on TS, is he eligible to be kept next year?
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| 64 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 14:55
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I would think they should be treated no differently than a player on IR - who retain keeper eligibility.
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| 65 | Doug
ID: 11146221
Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 22:46
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I feel like this rule has gone through a few changes over the years, so can someone remind/confirm for me... if I pick up a player during the season, under what conditions do they NOT qualify as a 24th round keeper next year?
Last I recall it was that a player had to clear waivers the following week... that is, dropped in week 5, picked up in week 6 first waiver run then retains original round... but dropped week 5, picked up in week 6 as a free agent then becomes 24th round. Is that still the case? Any other exceptions to that rule to be aware of?
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| 66 | Doug
ID: 11146221
Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 23:25
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In particular, I have Kirksey where Guru dropped him on a Weds and I picked up as an FCFS FA the following Sun, so I think he would still cost me a 10th rounder (where Guru drafted him this year) since he hadn't gone through Wednesday waivers, right? Even though he was a FCFS FA pickup?
I also picked up Tremaine Edmunds on Weds waivers when he'd been dropped on the prior Sun, so he would also retain his draft cost from this year (13th round) since I picked him up on Weds waivers the week after he was dropped.
And Tyrann Mathieu was dropped on a Thu and I picked up the following Wed, but as a FCFS FA after waivers had run, so I believe he'd only cost a 24th, correct?
I believe all of my other FA/waiver pickups this year had spent at least a week as a FCFS FA before I acquired them and/or weren't originally drafted this year.
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| 67 | Doug
ID: 11146221
Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 23:29
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One other one is AJ Dillon, who I drafted in 10th round, but then dropped and was a FA for several weeks before I reacquired him. Since he was FA for several weeks, he counts as 24th round keeper, not a 10th, correct?
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| 68 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 02, 2020, 23:44
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Sounds right. Rules are stipulated in the comment section of this page: (scroll down)
https://www66.myfantasyleague.com/2020/options?L=23784&O=26
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| 69 | Doug
ID: 11740813
Fri, Dec 04, 2020, 02:11
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Thanks... this section seems slightly unpolished:
“Any player who is placed on fantasy IR shall maintain his keeper round status even if he is waived by his fantasy manager. A player placed on NFL IR maintains the status of the draft round in which he was chosen in the draft immediately prior to that season (undrafted players placed on NFL IR maintain 24th round keeper status the next year).”
A strict reading would mean if a player is drafted, cut and is FA for a week or more, then picked up by another team, and THEN gets injured and goes on IR, then their keeper cost would revert to their draft round... whereas if they had stayed healthy after being acquired it would be a 24th.
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| 70 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Dec 05, 2020, 21:41
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So,... would you like to rewrite it?
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| 71 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 09:43
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Here is a reminder of this year's rules for add/drop transactions during the playoffs.
1. All teams will be locked out of add/drop moves starting at 8:30 Tuesday night. This will allow the Commissioner to determine the brackets and get everything set up properly before "re-opening".
2. Once league standings are updated after the Tuesday night game, playoff brackets will be assigned. Remember that the Championship bracket includes the top 6 teams by W/L standings plus the remaining top 2 teams in total points. Seeds 1-4 will be based on W/L standings. Seeds 5-8 will be ordered based on total points.
3. Once brackets are established and entered, add/drop moves will be enabled according to the following guidelines:
- Blind bidding will take place at 3pm ET Thursday afternoon for teams in the Championship brackets. Blind bid dollars will be zeroed out for teams not in the championship bracket, so they will be unable to participate in blind bidding. (Note that in the unlikely event that Thursday morning scoring corrections result in a change in brackets, the bracket adjustments will be made before the 3pm blind bidding on Thursday afternoon.)
- There will be a general lock out for all add/drop transactions from 3-6pm ET on Thursday.
- Starting at 6pm ET on Thursday, all teams will be allowed to make F/A pickups.
- Taxi squad and IL moves will be allowed for all teams.
- There will be a usual Sunday morning blind bidding (8am ET) for dropped players.
Note that, due to the additional strain of covid-related player outages, we are NOT locking out playoff transactions for teams that are no longer in the championship brackets. Those teams will not be able to participate in blind bidding, but other transactions will be allowed.
Guru
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| 72 | Doug
ID: 77541115
Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 16:23
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Re: 70, how about:
“Any player who is placed on fantasy IR prior shall maintain his keeper round status (as of the time he was placed on NFL IR), even if he is waived by his fantasy manager. A player placed on NFL IR maintains the status of the draft round in which he was chosen in the draft immediately prior to that season, unless he was waived and cleared Wednesday waivers at some point that season PRIOR to being placed on NFL IR (such waived players and all undrafted players placed on NFL IR maintain 24th round keeper status the next year).”
To be clear on one semi-edge case, this would mean that if a player is injured but not formally placed on NFL IR, and is cut by his fantasy team and clears waivers, then another team can pick him up as an FA (or later-week waiver claim) and if/when he is then placed on NFL IR, he would be eligible to then be placed on his new fantasy team's IR with a 24th round keeper status.
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| 73 | Judy
ID: 1611302420
Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 11:26
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And we are finished!
Final results:
Champion:
Snoop Doug
Runner up:
Swinganamiss
3. Twolves
4. Ford standard
5. TD
6. IAC
7. Smithfield tigers
8. Island Bombers
9. Guru
10 luxury Tax
11: toilet bowl champion, #1 draft pick: Oaktown
12. Goatlocker
13. Art of Monk
14. Ghostwood
Thanks for s smooth season.
Please stay COVID safe this winter.
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| 74 | Judy
ID: 1611302420
Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 11:38
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For 2021.
Draft slot 1 will be the winner of the Toilet Bowl.
Draft slots 2 through 6 will be comprised of non playoff teams sorted by reverse of the previous regular season's points for total.
Draft slots 7 through 13 will be comprised of playoff teams sorted by the reverse of the previous season's playoff seeding.
Draft slot 14 will be the winner of the previous season's playoff.
The draft will maintain the same order every round throughout (it will not snake).
I believe this to be the order for 2021.
1. Oaktown
2. Goarlocker
3. Art of Monk
4. Ghostwood
5. Luxury tax
6. Guru Klingons
7. TD
8. Smithfield
9. IAC
10. Swimganamiss
11. Island bombers
12. Ford standard
13. Twolves
14. Snoop doug
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| 75 | Judy
ID: 1611302420
Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 11:40
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If you have any additional (see 70 above) ideas for rule changes please post whenever you think of them.
Thanks.
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