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Subject: 2021 G24* CONTRACTION VOTE
Posted by: slizz
- [64323014] Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 23:23
Official thread for the 2021 G24 Contraction Vote. State your Franchise and a "YES" or "NO". |
| 1 | slizz
ID: 64323014
Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 23:23
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BUFFALO BILLS - YES
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| 2 | Taxman
ID: 525152020
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 01:26
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Houston - No
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| 4 | R-Money
ID: 31128257
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 01:29
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Panthers - No
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| 5 | youngroman
ID: 515013
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 04:12
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Bengals - No
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| 6 | Judy
ID: 92552311
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 08:14
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AZ
Yes because it will make the league more competitive
No because it is a “tough” league to master
Final vote:
Yes but only if we have 4 vacancies.
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| 7 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 09:08
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Tree - YES. it makes for a considerably stronger league to have more players - in particular QB - available for all teams.
Judy - as an aside, several of us here play in a 20 team baseball league together, and i assure you, it is still a VERY TOUGH league to master - in fact, over the last 15 seasons, there have been 9 different champions, with only 2 champs winning more than once.
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| 8 | Jim
ID: 465239
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 09:42
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Philadelphia Eagles - Yes
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| 9 | promize
ID: 30512229
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 10:12
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Seahawks - No
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| 10 | Judy
ID: 105462014
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 10:18
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Tree I am not trashing 20 team league. I was in the G20 baseball one a few years. In third place one year, then the top 3 players out for the season in late August…
All leagues in which players can get injured are hard to find success.. just sayin’
Heck I won this league with Nick Foles at QB in 2013.
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| 11 | Bobo
ID: 8231213
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 10:52
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Minnesota Vikings - YES
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| 12 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 10:58
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Tree I am not trashing 20 team league.
sorry for the miscommunication - didn't mean to imply you were.
Heck I won this league with Nick Foles at QB in 2013.
to be fair, Foles was a top 12 QB that season.
i carried four QBs at the end of the season - Matt Barkley, Chad Henne, Brian Hoyer, and Brock Osweiler (my #2 draft pick that year!). i would have killed for Nick Foles! lol
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| 13 | GO
ID: 33543812
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 11:52
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NY Jets - YES - contraction to 20 teams
Gets us nicely in line with the other G20 MLB and NBA leagues. Branding!
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| 14 | CT/CLEV
ID: 455222211
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 12:22
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CLEV - NO
I'm good with either result, but I enjoy the aggravation of fitting roster spots with min resources during bye weeks and injury. I like that part of the challenge/competition.
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| 15 | Judy
ID: 105462014
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 12:30
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Tree,
In baseball, one guy lost to injury shouldn’t have a major effect on your overall team score…?
No problems tree. I actually dropped all my baseball fantasy this season as the daily lineup grind became too much. Love the football so much better.
Right now we have one vacancy in both NFC (NOLA and NYg)
And one vacancy in AFC west (LAC)
Both apparent “iffies” are in the AFC east (Indy and Jax)
Contraction could take care of itself,,,
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| 16 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 12:33
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DET - No
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| 17 | ttucowboy
ID: 40582212
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 13:08
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Dallas Cowboys - Yes, from 24 to 20
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| 18 | Skinneej
ID: 11931511
Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 22:34
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Packers - NO
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| 19 | GO
ID: 33543812
Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 12:11
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@CT - Something to consider is that should we drop to "only" 20 and the league identifies that its too easy to come up with a starting lineup, I suspect an extra flex spot could be viewed as a way to easily correct that trend.
I'm fairly confident it won't be, cause 20 is still insanely deep. F101 is still a struggle with 16 teams.
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| 20 | WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 13:12
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Chiefs - Yes, 24 to 20
If we were able to find 4 reliable, known managers to replace outgoing ones, I would be ok with sticking with 24, but since it looks like that will be tough to accomplish, I would rather switch to 20 and stick with the good group of managers we have.
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| 21 | Doug
ID: 32546312
Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 15:00
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Raiders - Default vote is No
Caveat: If we are at a point where we are simply unable to get 24 quality managers on board, then I'm open to contracting to 20 as a desperate measure, however ONLY if there is some other simultaneous change like adding another bench or IDP spot. I haven't thought it through enough to have a specific proposal, but I wouldn't want to just contract to 20 without some balancing measure in place.
One of the things I like about this league is how thin the waiver wire is, the strategy of saving your priority for hopefully a bigger pickup later vs. an early emerging guy or borderline player... playing for now vs. building for future, etc. I feel like we've already had some votes to dilute the challenge in recent years, I don't want to really double-down on that.
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| 22 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 15:46
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Caveat: If we are at a point where we are simply unable to get 24 quality managers on board
i actually think we're at this point, unfortunately. we've had two folks chime in that no one knows, and that's it....
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| 23 | R-Money
ID: 31128257
Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 17:00
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@Tree - I stopped recruiting once shrinking became an option, and we still may need at least one of those two.
I will agree if the new owners have to be "people we know" then the well might be running dry.
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| 24 | slizz
ID: 295272316
Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 17:27
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I agree.
Believe me, I would love to stay at 24 but we shouldn’t have to beg people to join just to keep it at 24 teams…hence the vote.
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| 25 | Tree
ID: 571142323
Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 17:34
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I will agree if the new owners have to be "people we know" then the well might be running dry.
Thats definitely something that should be of concern and consideration, because it may be an issue every year.
We had some shenanigans in a league where we basically let an unknown in, hence the secret squirrel comment above..
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| 26 | R-Money
ID: 31128257
Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 18:09
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we shouldn’t have to beg people to join just to keep it at 24 teams…hence the vote
Irony there is we aren't too far from begging to get 19 teams to vote - to shrink to 20. Maybe I should change my vote.. lol.
If we are putting a hard no, and im not saying we are, on randoms from the internet that come to our quaint little corner of solitude looking to join - then this shouldnt even BE a vote. Unless that Vote is to shrink further and rotate in the alternates like the RIFC or a European soccer league.
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| 27 | Judy
ID: 92552311
Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 20:15
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AZ
Yes because it will make the league more competitive
No because it is a “tough” league to master
Final vote:
Yes but only if we have 4 vacancies.
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| 28 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 08:15
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In reviewing the four teams that have not responded:
Ravens - does show a cell number on his g24 MFL page.
Bears - hasn't posted on the board in years. confirmed via proxy he was returning, but if he's going to vote, he does need to get on the board to do so. does show a cell number on his g24 mfl page.
49ers - no cell number shown
Jaguars (also need to confirm returning) - going back over threads for previous years, he's routinely been a late responder. not being critical, just saying he may not be tuned into Football yet. does show a cell number on his g24 mfl page.
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| 29 | R-Money
ID: 31128257
Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 09:12
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@tree - Ive texted when I could, but not overstepping. If you want to go all "we are trying to reach you regarding your vehicles warranty" on them - feel free.
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| 30 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 09:23
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Ive texted when I could, but not overstepping. If you want to go all "we are trying to reach you regarding your vehicles warranty" on them - feel free.
ha, no. i was just stating that the numbers were there. i wasn't sure if anyone had reached out. if the communication attempt was made, so be it.
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| 31 | SwinganaMiss
ID: 48531621
Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 14:52
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Ravens - Yes
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| 32 | Judy
ID: 105462014
Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 15:06
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I accidentally sent out the league invite and it went to both emails and cell phones for those who have cell phones listed.
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| 33 | Judy
ID: 105462014
Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 07:52
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#32 means that everyone knows that G24 has begun and should be responding…many got both email and text messages. No excuses not to be involved at this stage… just sayin’
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| 34 | R-Money
ID: 31128257
Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 08:48
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Vote finished 9-8 in favor of contraction. Based on current league structure this is not a passing vote. However based on the discussions on inactivity and replacing owners this is being reviewed.
Announcement to come shortly on next steps. Thank you all for voting.
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| 35 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 12:52
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Vote finished 9-8 in favor of contraction. Based on current league structure this is not a passing vote.
that's literally the maximum number of votes that were available.
if that's not a passing vote, i'm not sure what is.
The seven teams that did not vote are:
Saints
Colts
Chargers
Bears
Jags
49ers
Giants
Saints, Colts, Giants and Chargers are already out. They're not voting.
Bears haven't posted on this board in two years.
They're not voting.
Jags and 49ers haven't responded to multiple emails about signing in.
They're not voting.
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| 36 | R-Money
ID: 31128257
Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 13:32
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Yes. And the rules state a major change needs two thirds. However - as stated its being discussed. If you'd like to be a part of that then - Email me - Rickmahan@yahoo.com
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| 37 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 13:37
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*correction, the 49ers did respond and are back in.
contraction isn't a major change. it's a necessary change. there's a difference.
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| 38 | R-Money
ID: 31128257
Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 14:23
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Not going to argue semantics with you. Its obvious more people want to contract. Its obvious that even more people would not be comfortable with what is needed to be done to stay at 24. Therefore its obvious we are going to contract in some way - this was just an announcement of the poll closing with results. Judy Slizz and I have been discussing next steps - taking into consideration what everyone is saying in this thread and the main thread. - so please if you would like to move a little faster and help the league Email me and jump in the conversation. If not thats fine also.
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| 39 | Doug
ID: 32546312
Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 14:45
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It's both major and, unfortunately, necessary. We don't have an option unless those who opposed contraction (myself included) can recruit new members. I've reached out to another league I've been in for ~20 years to see if anyone would be interested in joining us, but no bites. I haven't seen anyone post any other leads. I'm resigned to the fact we'll need to contract to 20 regardless of the vote because I don't see any alternative short of recruitment, and recruitment isn't happening.
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| 40 | ttucowboy
ID: 165172915
Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 08:30
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Don’t we have a solid 20 as of today, including PD, or am I missing something? 2 out (Giants, Saints) 2 might as well be out (Colts, Chargers) and 1 pending (Jags / Yokel). I'm an OG and don't want to lose an OG, but Yokel doesn't seem too interested anymore. I can understand not being in full blown football mode on June 30th, but it literally takes less than 5 minutes to check in.
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| 41 | GO
ID: 33543812
Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 11:59
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Yokel is certainly welcome back in my opinion when he does check in -- but if he opts out, I think its obvious we're in a much better position should we need to find 1 really good manager than scrambling for 4/5.
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| 42 | taxman
ID: 276710
Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 17:25
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voting is closed..but in review:
I am with Doug in post 39 above
Reduction is necessary in light of current landscape (no replacement members on horizon and NFL schedule change).
I change my vote to YES. I am for contraction to 20.
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| 43 | Twolves
ID: 22652313
Sat, Jul 03, 2021, 15:02
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Yes for contraction if cannot find managers which it sounds like is occurring.
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