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Subject: Gurupie 24 draft comment/dicussions
Posted by: rockafellerskank
- Leader [461124288] Tue, Jul 29, 2003, 20:48
Please post any comments or questions here on the draft.
Please refrain from discussing undrated players!
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| 1 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Tue, Jul 29, 2003, 21:15
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EH has 6 picks, in my trade with him, I was assuming that I would obtain his final pick therefore allowing both of us to have 5 picks apiece, rather than him having 5 picks + 1 worthless pick and me having 4 and not a full roster.
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| 2 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Tue, Jul 29, 2003, 21:17
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I'll have that edited. Dang. I thought I was "mistake - free"
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| 3 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 00:15
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I could have swore that somebody told me that just because picks were traded to have some teams in excess of 5 that I would not automatically get their last pick...However, I would have to pick up the players I need in the FA pool. Is this correct or do I obtain the excess picks of the 2 teams I traded with?
THK
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| 4 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 18644248
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 00:36
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Whew!.....I have got a lot of research to do tonight. Just got home from a vacation to New York City. Fun! Fun! Fun! :-)
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| 5 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 27652109
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 09:33
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To All:
Guru has once again graciously offered to sanction our league for a Guru Patron Prize. In order to recive this prize you must be a Patron and of course, win the league! There is no additional charge for this, it's purely an "extra" provided by Dave.
This is a great site that is free for all, so if you haven't donated lately, please consider it.
rfs
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| 6 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 27652109
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 09:46
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TaRhEElKiD, It's not automatically assumed that you get the back end pick of your trading partner. It has to be written as part of the deal. Sorry.
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| 7 | penngray
Donor
ID: 453492921
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 11:40
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Just checking in..... I have 2 choices so I will be ready with my pick once #1 picks.
btw, Im one of those people that have not paid. I guess I have to setup paypal to do it? correct?
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| 8 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 11:44
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penngray, Pay Pal is fine, or e-mail me and I will give my addy is you wish to mail the payment.
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| 9 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 12:53
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2 picks already and I've still yet to look at anyone! We will try to keep up with you guys and add names as we can to teams to keep the free agent/draft pool accurate, but no guarantees. rfs and I are both slammed at work right now.
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| 10 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 27652109
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 13:33
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penngray, Received the $6 via Pay Pal, thanks.
Ref is right, I am slammed at work, but should be able to update the CBS site each night if Ref doesn't beat me to it.
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| 11 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 15:25
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I'll copy/paste this for coldwater into this thread... might get more attention:
coldwater coyotes
Leader
ID: 14649115
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 14:06 Anybody interested in trading a RB for my 5th. pick??
(is this the correct thread for this message?)
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| 12 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 16:40
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RFS-
That is what I was saying. I was just making sure due to what AP10 said in the first post.
This is going to be a fun draft...much different than anything before.
THK
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| 13 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 17:19
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Let me get this clear. I will not receive EH's last pick? If that is the case, please let me know where in the rules this was stated...
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| 14 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 17:27
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If you have a trade, you have to both agree to everything in that trade, including draft picks. As we have said before, it is possible to not have enough or to have too many selections. You may not go OVER the max number of players and if you do not have enough picks, you have to wait until the waiver/fa period to fill your roster. This has been discussed numerous times. While I believe what you're saying to be true in your mind, we can't assume those things.
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| 15 | CanEHdian Pride
Donor
ID: 48936413
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 17:28
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A10,
The bottom line is that it wasn't part of the trade. It is the equivalent to assuming that you will receive the player that another team waives when an uneven trade is made.
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| 16 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 17:37
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So basically there was NO rule prior to our trade in week 4 (?). I assumed what I feel is logical (and has happened in every other league I've been involved in) and you assumed that we would know that we had to clarify that.
EH, while your analagy is similar it isnt the same. The only way a person would make a lopsided trade, a 2 for 1, is if he felt he could grab a better player off of waiver/FA than the player that the other team would dump. Obviously, if I would've known that I wouldnt of received your last round selection, I would've stated it. Why in the world would I want to skip a pick and then wait until waivers and why would you even want the pick that is of no value to you. Obviously it makes no sense to me and doesnt seem logical...
Its only a last round selection so its not really a big deal but...
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| 17 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 17:40
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This is probably of little consolation to you, but personally, the last round pick is usually the first to be dumped anyhow for a need I have.
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| 18 | deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 17103420
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 17:42
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Post 3 from official draft thread: (deleted)
coldwater coyotes
Leader
ID: 14649115
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 14:06
Anybody interested in trading a RB for my 5th. pick??
(is this the correct thread for this message?)
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| 19 | CanEHdian Pride
Donor
ID: 48936413
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 18:47
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"So basically there was NO rule prior to our trade in week 4 (?)."
Actually, I think a pretty standard rule in fantasy leagues is that trades are limited to the explicit terms that have been agreed upon unless otherwise stated. Since "implied terms" have not been addressed, I'd have to think that there is no rule that would include them until agreed upon by the league.
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| 20 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 20:18
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coldwater coyotes, you have mail at your newmarketcap email address...
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| 21 | penngray
Donor
ID: 453492921
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 21:56
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is it slow like this every year? 24 Hr deadlines just seem to be a little too generous. 5 Hr deadlines, proxies, etc can speed up the process a great deal. For a 24-player league the discussion seems to be among the same few and the overall excitement is just not there. Especially since this day has been known for awhile.
just some general comments
penn
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| 22 | Doug
Sustainer
ID: 31649212
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 21:58
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I'd send you email coldwater coyotes, but I can't find your email address on the league site (isn't their an owner/manager list somewhere? I looked for 5 mins. but couldn't find it). Please feel free to email me to discuss RB for draft pick swap. I have Warrick Dunn, Amos Zereoue, Correll Buckhalter, and Kevin Faulk.
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| 23 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 22:00
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In an effort to be a good commissioner, I'll send an e-mail to Doug & coldwater so they can talk!
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| 24 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 22:06
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I tried to be a good commish and listed all emails on the league bboard again and posted that info in these threads.
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| 25 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 22:09
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penngray, this only our 2nd year. Last year we did a fast/live draft. I think we will do 6-9 picks per day in this format. There's alot of discussion via AIM and e-mail that isn't posted.
If needed Ref andI will speed up the time frames and we will be actively sending e-mails out to the next 2-3 owners due to pick.
Personally, I like the pace.
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| 26 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 60151121
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 23:04
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I think three as quick as we got them was a good pace for the first day.
Cliff
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| 27 | Doug
Sustainer
ID: 31649212
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 23:46
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Yeah, I found the link on the website... it's the "Teams" link, duh. I was trying to go to the individual team pages (such as Denver Broncos) or else look for a link with the word "owner" or "manager" or whatever... I also searched through the 8 recent threads on this board related to this league looking for the word "coldwater" hoping to find an email addy somewhere... argh! I knew the info was out there, just couldn't find it in the most obvious place. =-)
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| 28 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 23:48
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No offense, but I thought managers would be anxious to get their first pick in and we would've gotten further. No biggie though, we have plenty of time ;)
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| 31 | rockafellerskank
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ID: 461124288
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 00:22
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FWIW, I'll take offers for my 19th pick. ;)
Also, I'd still like to trade Kurt Warner for a comparable RB if anyone wants an MVP QB, please call!
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| 32 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 01:01
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I'll trade you my 5th pick :)-
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| 33 | CCRider
ID: 18628260
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 01:07
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Sorry for the hold-up.. some personal issues to deal with today...
I'll have my pick posted in a minute...
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| 34 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 01:14
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RFS-
A-train? haha ;-) That is going to be a running joke I am sure.
All-
Personally I think it is a disgrace that everyone knew when the draft would take place and we only got 3 picks done today. Oh well...I am going out of town on Sunday until the 15th, but I will have access to a computer so it shouldn't be a problem.
Just incase (since I don't want to be replaced)...if I am needed to pick and you haven't heard from me....feel free to call 1-405-401-0406! That is my cell phone and I should answer all the time. My first pick I am sure I will be in town for I hope. From then on I will be leaving queues and checking in periodically from NC!
THK
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| 35 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 01:18
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*4 picks*
THK
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| 36 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 27652109
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 10:26
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About every 3 picks I will be sending out an e-mail as an "FYI" to the next 3 owners in line. It will usually include the deal line (24 hours after last pick) for the next guy up.
Hope the e-mails don't get annoying, but just want to be pro-active.
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| 37 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 11:16
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We could have done a slow draft on the site but the time limits were 120 mins. Also, no way to incorporate traded draft picks.
A-Train? How about Late-Train. It's gotten so bad that they signed Orlacker's kid brother out of a Div 3 school to compete at RB.
4 picks is about what I expected. With 24 teams, hopefully it speeds up, but there are always a few people that have rl issues who just can't get on the boards to select. I'm hoping by the time it gets close to my pick that I'll have a few names in a queue to select. So far only one name that I was kicking around is gone, but I knew he wouldn't fall to me anyhow.
If the picks become a problem, we WILL speed up the time. Currently we are giving people exactly 24 hrs (no matter the time) to select. Once we hit that time, the next person may select at any time. The skipped person may then select their pick at any time.
Rfs and I did a draft like this in another league and it was a 2 hr limit. Lots of guys got skipped. I remember how guys used to make 4 or 5 picks within a few mins at times trying to hurry up and get their guy before the skipped guys get a chance to pick. Then it would drag on again. I am not a fan of the slow draft, I get anxious. I'm a live draft person, but this is what will work for our league and traded draft picks. Otherwise, teams would have to select players for others and with only 90 to 120 secs, that is challenging.
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| 38 | StLCards
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ID: 133252814
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 11:34
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I'm with you Ref. I have a few names in mind but doubt they will fall to me. Once it gets to within a reasonable number I'll work on my queue. It's much harder to rank prospects and backups than starters since alot of picking a new team is position dependent with everyone having about the same needs. A slow draft is the only way to go for this and a 24 hour time limit is fair to all. Unless one or two people "consistently" don't make their picks, then we should have no problem getting done in plenty of time.
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| 39 | Baldwin
ID: 111112015
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 12:32
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How long do the real teams get to pick? I think around five minutes on the rotoguru boards would be the ideal way to do it. Not suggesting a change at this late date of course.
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| 41 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 13:14
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Trade Alert
I'm trading Antowain Smith, RB NE to Dan for his first round selection (#6 overall)
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| 42 | Dan
Sustainer
ID: 0229323
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 13:14
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I confirm that...
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| 43 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 13:23
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Trade Approved. AP10 you may now select in the appropriate thread since you are on the clock.
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| 44 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 27652109
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 13:27
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This is fun. Can't wait for my turn.
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| 45 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 526482422
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 13:33
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ksoze is up.
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| 46 | Doug
Sustainer
ID: 2730280
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 13:34
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W. Dunn is available for teams needing RB help in this draft.
Obviously Dunn was a top-20 RB last year, despite claims that Duckett would hurt his value. No, I don't expect he has much upside left, but he isn't a risky pickup either... you know what you're getting, and you know he'll get PT. So especially if you're looking to make a run at the playoffs or even just improve your team's performance this year by adding a quality RB, then let's talk. I'm open to player and/or draft pick exchanges.
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| 47 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 13:36
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I wanted Rogers. Thompson was also in my q. This is going to be a weird draft. Great picks guys, and I think that trade by AP10 could turn out to really be worth it. I'm not sure who will fall down to me.
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| 48 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 18644248
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 13:41
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FWIW, I like the trade for AP10. I was trying to find ways to trade up and grab Rodgers, but couldn't.
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| 49 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 13:44
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Talk about a Replica league, that trade was just like the NFL draft!
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| 50 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 526482422
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 13:44
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Both Rogers & Thompson were in my top two--I didn't care which one I got, so I was pleased when I realized I would get at least one.
That's how it is in the Gurupie leagues. You're pleased to at least get some of the guys you covet!
pd
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| 51 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 13:45
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I was trying to work something out with coldwater coyotes but he wasnt willing to negotiate. I was asking for more than Smith for his 1st round, but I also said that I really wanted to trade up and was basically willing to seriously negotiate. Anyways, hopefully everything turns out well for all parties involved...
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| 52 | Doug
Sustainer
ID: 2730280
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 13:48
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Hey, at least he responded to you. =-) Do I have the plague or something?
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| 53 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 13:55
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I got Thompson last year with the idea of keeping him, but with all my injuries I was forced to trade him. I'm a little surprised he was not kept, but understandable.
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| 54 | skinneej
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ID: 460282722
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 14:17
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Ref, you just got a offer too good to pass up (which probably meant it was more than I should have offered). I really should have held out for Plaxico instead of Thompson, but I felt like making a move.
I decided not to keep Thompson because of his inconsistency. He may turn out to be a good WR for Miami, but I felt there was better options available. Time will tell. My main concern was QB, but I felt that by keeping both Kitna and Griese I could begin the year wtih Kitna as my starter, and play the odds that Griese will take over at some point in Miami.
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| 55 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 14:44
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I actively tried to trade Plaxico at one point last year and no one was interested. Now he may become my top WR. Glad I held during his slump and no one offered me anything of value for him.
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| 56 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 14:51
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If I would've known he was on the block I would've pursued him. He's a solid WR, but for some reason, Kordella wouldnt give him the ball...
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| 57 | skinneej
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ID: 460282722
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 14:52
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Actually, when we began talking about a trade, I mentioned Plaxico, and you at first considered it as I remember. You then decided to keep him. I was not sold on Thompson, but he had put up decent numbers to that point and of course he tailed off from there.
Also, I am considering trading my #9 overall pick if someone want to move up. Drop me a line and we'll discuss details.
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| 58 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 15:14
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skinneej, you got mail.
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| 59 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 15:19
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I just e-mailed ksoze, skinneej & Blue Balls next 3 up.
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| 60 | skinneej
Sustainer
ID: 460282722
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 16:11
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AP, got it. Sorry we couldn't work something out. Still looking for any takers on the 9th pick. E-mail me at this address (home) for the rest of the evening.
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| 61 | Myboyjack
Leader
ID: 14826271
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 21:36
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yawn
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| 62 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 21:54
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ROFL
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| 63 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 22:24
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Think of the positive...a pick will be made within the next 15 hours... :)
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| 64 | Promize
Sustainer
ID: 19431422
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 22:32
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Man, this is slow... being 24th pick I might get my first pick by week 1
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| 65 | Doug
Sustainer
ID: 2730280
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 02:35
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Patience grasshoppers... I bet you things pick up notably tomorrow morning/afternoon (famous last words)...
I emailed ksoze about a possible trade, maybe others did to and he's evaluating... or maybe he's just had an unexpectedly busy day or has had problems getting online (he never replied to my offer)...
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| 66 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 06:59
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I accepted doug's trade offer. I (Tampa) give up my first round pick currently on the clock for Doug's (Oakland) Warrick Dunn. I'm sorry it took so long to reply, I didn't expect not to have internet access last night. After this evening I'll be out of town and away from access until Sunday evening but have a friend checking in on the draft for me from time to time so I shouldn't be this kind of a holdup again.
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| 67 | CanEHdian Pride
Donor
ID: 48936413
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 07:53
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has anyone heard from Blue Balls? He didn't submit any keepers and I haven't seen him post in quite awhile....could we be in for another long wait once Doug makes his selection?
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| 68 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 10:21
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Guys please do not post anything in the official draft thread except your picks. If need be, rfs or I will announce a trade alert if a trade is approved that affects the draft. I'm going to approve the trade, but give me a few mins to get situated here and I'll post when it's cool for Doug to select.
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| 69 | GoatLocker
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ID: 149272511
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 10:29
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I'm taking the new RV out for the weekend.
Will be home Sunday.
Do Not see anyway this thing can get back to me, so will not be leaving a queue.
Cliff
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| 70 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 10:31
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Trade approved. Proceed.
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| 71 | skinneej
Sustainer
ID: 460282722
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 11:47
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Doug, mail sent.
All, I am looking over my choices and taking any last minute offers and discussions for this pick. I should have a pick in by early this afternoon, otherwise.
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| 72 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 12:12
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Nice pick Doug. skinneej wanted to trade with me, and the only reason I contemplated it was for Andre...
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| 73 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 12:13
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I don't even know half these guys. I need to find some time to do some research.
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| 74 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 12:28
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Just did some rookie research, WOW! that looks like an awesome trade by Doug to get him. Esp. considering that Dunn is competing with two other backs for time and is learning the H-back position to try and be on the field more.
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| 75 | Doug
Sustainer
ID: 31649212
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 13:07
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Well, I still think Dunn will put up better numbers this year and I'm sad to see him go... I like him a lot. Plus RBs seem to be at a premium over WRs in this league, BUT I was thinking long-term, and I really like Andre Johnson's prospects in that regard. So while losing Dunn hurts my team a bit this year, I think it helps next year and beyond. Anyway, thanks for the feedback AP10/Ref... always nice to get complemented for making a move. I think A.Smith for Rogers was a very similar good move on AP10's behalf.
While I'm not exactly eager to breakup my wideout set of "Johnson & Johnson", I will put Keyshawn out there as someone I am willing to move for the right price.
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| 76 | skinneej
Sustainer
ID: 460282722
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 13:07
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Had two guys on my board when Doug took Andre, but then I got cold feet on the other receiver. After looking at several others and doing some research, Javon jumped out at me. I will have a bye week issue as it stands now, but it's not until week 8 so hopefully I can address it by then.
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| 77 | skinneej
Sustainer
ID: 460282722
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 13:30
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Doh! I had the wrong GB receiver on my mind. Javon was kept and Ferguson was the available one. I corrected the draft thread.
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| 78 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 13:35
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Excellent pick. I really thought he'd fall to me as I figured people would concentrate on RBs and rookies. This draft has been a real surprise to me thus far.
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| 79 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 13:46
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Not sure what to think if Blue Balls or Turley will check in on here. They are back to back. Blue Balls failed to get his keepers in and rfs had to personally get a hold of Turley to get his keepers. This could be a long wait for the next picks. We have emailed and we will email again now that they are up. They are in this league for a reason, so we're assuming they will make their picks within their time limits or have someone else pick for them.
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| 80 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 526482422
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 14:05
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BB was tardy in the Political Gurus drafts as well. I don't think he checks in very often.
pd
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| 81 | Baldwin
ID: 111112015
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 14:23
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I am losing hope of anyone I like slipping to me.
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| 82 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 27652109
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 18:24
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I heard from Blue, he knows he is up and he says he is paying attention.
I have a call into Houston who picks after BB. I'll keep things moving.... :)
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| 83 | CanEHdian Pride
Donor
ID: 48936413
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 20:46
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Did Blue give any kind of indication when he would be making his selection?
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| 84 | Myboyjack
Leader
ID: 14826271
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 21:07
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CH, BB left a message on our yahoo baseball board saying he was ready to pick at 6:18 EST
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| 85 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 00:54
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Shouldnt the first round be the quickest? If the picks slow down from here on out, we're going to be pushing it close. To be honest, I have no problem checking in frequently to see if/when its my pick. But doing that every few hours for the next 30 days is going to get extremely old. No 5 round draft (10 rounds for a 12 team league) should last more than 2 weeks.
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| 86 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 04:25
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Just incase like I said...
I am leaving town on Sunday for 13 days and I will have periodic access for the internet. If I am up and not around after a few hours or anything...
Give me a call at 1-405-401-3026 (number changed, use this one)! I do not want to be skipped or replaced at any cost! If I am needed use this number please!
Thanks,
THK
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| 87 | Baldwin
ID: 111112015
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 07:09
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From other leagues I play in I can tell you Blue Balls really provides a roadblock in drafts. He has limited computer access or time or something and there is no use getting worked up wondering if he is going to pick in the next five minutes. He isn't. Still I am quite surprised he didn't pick when he posted on our Yahoo league board that he was about to. That does irritate. Perhaps he hasn't researched yet and felt he needed the full 24 hrs after all.
I expect as the draft nears the top of the order the draft will speed up and as it goes back near the back it will drag on forever.
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| 88 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 11:26
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Just sent an e-mail to BB, Taylor and CP as the next 3 picks.
BB only has until 13:27 EST or he gets skipped.
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| 89 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 11:45
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OK, Unless I am mistaken (and will apologize in advance if I make one) the following people have NOT paid their league fees.
I'm also going to make a commissioner's decision that these people cannot participate in the prize pool. It's NOT fair for them to see the draft's development and decide if they want in/out when the rest of us had to commit our money before the draft started. Anyone on this list is going to get an e-mail from me and is in danger of being cut from the league.
Guys, I'm not trying to be a prick here, but the longer these payments drag out is the longer I have to track this stuff. I already have plenty to do as it is. Also, just as a courtesy to me, I PAID for the league and this money is a reimbursement to me. If you can't write a check and put it in the mail, I have doubts that you will be an active owner anyway.
Dan
Perm Dude
Twarpy
Blue Balls
PLEASE CONTACT ME ASAP
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| 90 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 11:47
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That leaves us with $270.00 (18 X $15 each) for the prize pool with participants of:
ksoze
rfs
MyBoyJack
Peter N
skinneej
Promize
THK
CP
coldwater.
Goatlocker
Ref
Taylor
Turley
CCRider
AP10
StL Cards
Doug
Action Figs
Ref and I will post the league payouts in the next 1-2 days.
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| 91 | Dan
Sustainer
ID: 0229323
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 12:31
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rfs if you could please send me an email or send me a msg on AIM as to where I can send the money, IIRC it can be done through paypal? As soon as I get the info as I seem to have misplaced it, I apologize for that, it'll be in ASAP. Sorry for the delay.
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| 92 | Dan
Sustainer
ID: 0229323
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 12:46
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Ok I found your email address to send the money...but what do you know, I have to reactivate my PayPal account. As soon as I'm able to complete the process you'll have the money. Will I still be incluced in the prize pool? Once again I apologize for the delay.
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| 93 | CanEHdian Pride
Donor
ID: 48936413
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 12:50
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"BB only has until 13:27 EST or he gets skipped"
Will there be any other punitive measures taken? I mean not posting keepers, being completely absent from discussion and missing a first round pick are not good signs for future activity in the league.
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| 94 | penngray
Donor
ID: 453492921
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 12:54
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It seems kind of obvious that if a players hasnt checked in, hasnt sent his keepers, hasnt paid, then he probably isnt playing.
Shouldnt we look for an alternate quickly??
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| 95 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 396231715
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 12:56
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I thought rfs talked to BB and he was ready to play. I wonder what is up? I believe he was active last year as I remember trying to work out some trades with him then.
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| 96 | penngray
Donor
ID: 453492921
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 13:00
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On a draft note. I have been kicking myself for days now on picking Morgan over Rogers. I should have stuck to my original plan of using this year as a rebuilding year! I didnt and I went with a shaky #1 WR in Morgan instead of the rookie Rogers. sigh!
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| 97 | Baldwin
ID: 111112015
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 13:03
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Here is his exact post...Thanks skank
by: Potomac Mustangs (egav16) Aug 1, 5:18 pm CDT
Contrary to popular belief, I have been paying attention, and I'm ready (well now...) to pick. Thanks a lot for the heads-up however! And then he doesn't pick...wierd.
I will tell you I have decided his main problem is I believe he does not have internet access at home. He has a decent level of interest and ability, I think the reality of stealing computer time on other people's computers is killing his ability to cooperate with these drafts.
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| 98 | CanEHdian Pride
Donor
ID: 48936413
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 13:27
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13:27 and all is well.
Give 'em hell Turley!
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| 99 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 14:53
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Sorry Blue Balls. You're out
No payment
Didn't declare yur own keepers by deadline
Didn't even make your first pick in time even though you said "you were paying attention"
Ref and I will recruit new owne that will take over his team "as is" and will draft when he is recruited. Until then, the draft should continue to proceed.
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| 100 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 14:54
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Hold up, Houston shouldnt be on the clock then. Lets wait and get a new manager and he should get the next pick...
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| 101 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 14:57
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It may take 1,2,3 days to get a new manger who is going to have to take BB's team "as is" Do you really want to wait that long? I say we proceed and the new manager will have to jump in whenever he can.
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| 102 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 15:12
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deepsnapper is going to take BBs team over -Washinton. ds is going to get up to speed, so we are going to give him a new 24 hours to catch up on all rules and draft pick.
Although ds is going to try to pick in the next few hours.
Welcome deepsnapper (the league just got a little bit tougher)
rfs
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| 103 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 15:16
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Don't think it's going to take more than a couple of hours and we MAY be changing the team provided we can find a team in the same division.
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| 104 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 535572315
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 15:18
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I'm Charles Rogers...I had 68 catches and 13 touchdowns. I'm Charles Rogers....I had 68 catches and 13 touchdowns
Sing it!
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| 105 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 15:29
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fyi: Washington is now known as Miami
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| 106 | penngray
Donor
ID: 453492921
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 15:36
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REF and RFS Very well done and a welcome to deepsnapper
AP, Im not going to be singing that one ;)
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| 107 | deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 17103420
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 15:51
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Miami's got a johnson
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| 108 | skinneej
Sustainer
ID: 256213122
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 16:02
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Nice pick, deepsnapper and welcome to the league. Now let's keep this draft rolling along.
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| 109 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 16:28
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In order for this league to have the kind of level of excitement that rfs (and now myself) have envisioned, we need ACTIVE participation. That includes not only setting your lineup each week, but actively persuing opportunities in improving your team and responding to trade offers in a timely manner. We are extremely happy with how the managers in this league contribute to the overall toughness and integrity of this league. It only takes one owner to hurt that integrity though. While rfs brought Blue Balls into the league for a reason, it became apparent that we had to make this switch to retain our high standards. We brought Penngray into the league as a replacement for the KC team at the end of last year for the same reasons.
I think everyone understands that you are not expected to be on here 24/7, just do your part to contribute to the league by making your team as tough to beat as possible. We have bent over backwards to try to retain our members but we had to make this change. We hope further discussion about this move will not be needed.
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| 110 | deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 411148204
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 18:18
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penngray & skinneej - Thanks for the welcome. I'm very happy to be here. I appreciate Ref & rfs bringing me onboard. I promise not to kick anyone's butt too hard. (I can't afford to with a broken foot). ;-)
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| 111 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 18:43
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I still think Houston needs to select by 13:27 on Sunday. Hopefully it will come sooner as I've had CPs pick since yesterday morning when he's had to go away and now he's back.
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| 112 | Baldwin
ID: 111112015
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 21:25
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Deepsnapper, it's just one thing after another with you, isn't it?
If I believed in luck I'd have to veto your addition, Mr bad luck. ;>
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| 113 | Baldwin
ID: 111112015
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 21:27
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Weekends and evenings are prime drafting periods. If you are within sniffing distance of a draft pick stick around during those times, eh?
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| 114 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 396231715
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 21:30
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Glad to have you aboard Roy! Nice to be able to compete aganist you again :)
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| 115 | deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 17103420
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 22:25
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Baldwin - What can I say, it's the other foot this time. My powerchair does 5 mph. (;-Þ)
StLCards - Thanks, hopefully I can provide some competition. I'm looking forward to it.
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| 116 | coldwater coyotes
Leader
ID: 46222819
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 23:30
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Did we sell a new franchise to Miami...if so how much for?
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| 117 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 1738220
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 23:33
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PD - $6.00 received, thanks!
deepsnapper, $21 recieved thanks!
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| 118 | deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 17103420
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 00:37
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Will - In my case it was better to be mistaken for a fish than become a Redskin! . There'd be 100 pieces of Cowboy memorabilia jumping off my walls if I had a franchise with that name. ;-)
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| 119 | Baldwin
ID: 111112015
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 01:50
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I prolly should work a name trade with the Chicago Bears team as well. Chicago born here. St Louis isn't such an undesirable team name either so it might work.
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| 120 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 27719223
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 07:51
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Wow! I wake up this morning and 4 picks have occurred overnight. I just might pick before I go off to college afterall. ;-)
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| 121 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 1738220
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 08:57
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I have sent an e-mail to the next 3 picks. I have CPs pick, so it will be posted quickly after THK picks.
1.15 Minnesota Vikings - "TaRhEElKiD"
1.16 Jacks. Jaguars - "CanEHdian Pride"
1.17 Arizona Cardinals - "Craig Turley"
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| 122 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 10:49
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Twarpy, try again.
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| 123 | deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 17103420
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 10:56
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Ref - Twarpy or EH?
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| 124 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 12:18
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twarpy. EH/CP made twarpy's pick for him.
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| 125 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 13:32
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Just some housecleaning, can everyone please check their options/personal to make sure that everyone has their best email address and that owners names have your Gurupie handle. Since we're using replica team names, your handle is important as well as the email you check daily as all trades and emails will go to the email you have selected.
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| 126 | Twarpy
Leader
ID: 2771731
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 13:34
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Sorry when I searched for Campbell, in the keepers thread I got nothing, Atl had spelled it "Cambell"...Will pick shortly.
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| 127 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 13:41
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anyone want to call thk for his pick so the draft will move faster? his number is in this thread (2nd number).
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| 128 | Doug
Sustainer
ID: 2730280
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 14:31
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I gave him a ring... he's en route to NC right now, and should be there and online around 5pm EST (give or take, you know how travel is... stopping for gas, traffic, potty breaks, etc.)
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| 129 | deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 17103420
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 14:32
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I put the p in Campbell in the keeper thread so that won't happen again. ;-)
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| 130 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 1738220
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 14:51
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ds, Perm, Twarpy & Dan - all payments recieved.
OK, everyone is paid. We have $315.00 in the prize pool, 21 participants include everyoneexcept penngray, baldwin and PD Ref and I will get apayout posted soon.
I'll call THK right now.....
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| 131 | CanEHdian Pride
Donor
ID: 48936413
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 17:36
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I wouldn't hold our collective breath on THK, it'll take awhile for him to get to his desination and get settled. I doubt he'll be able to drop his bags and get logged onto a computer. He either is visting someone with a computer or will have to run to a Kinkos but either way I'm sure it'll take awhile.
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| 132 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 17:49
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He knew he was going to be gone. Wish he could have left a q, but we give them 24 hrs for a reason. The pick is due 24 hrs from when Twarpy made his initial pick.
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| 133 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 60151121
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 19:06
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Go away for the weekend and Roy sneaks in the door.
Good to see you aboard Roy.
Good to see we are moving along okay.
Need to set with my list and see how things look after this first batch of picks.
Some really nice moves.
Luck to all.
Cliff
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| 134 | TaRhEElKiD @ sisters
ID: 49759319
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 21:05
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sorry sorry sorry...
Post 131 is correct. I just now go everything settled in. I am sorry for the delay everyone! I am just glad I gave my number so I didn't get skipped and removed. Also, welcome deepsnapper!
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By the way...it is wierd. You think about what these guys you are playing with are like...then you get to hear 2 of their voices. Kinda odd, haha.
My pick will be posted shortly. Again, I apologize and thanks for waiting.
THK
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| 135 | TaRhEElKiD @ sisters
ID: 49759319
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 21:12
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Pick posted...kinda sucks that I left my materials and sheets of research at home! Oh well, needed depth at QB and hopefully he could be good for the future. I was dreaming for Adrian (doesn't mean I am giving up), but I wasn't holding my breath.
Also, thanks again guys for not getting too upset with me. I just now got completely settled in and the nephew and nieces away for a second. Sorry for the delay and please proceed with the draft.
THK
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| 136 | Baldwin
ID: 111112015
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 22:06
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You guys are like human vacuum cleaners. A crumb, just a crumb is all I'm askin'.
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| 137 | deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 17103420
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 23:22
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GL - Now that's funny Cliff, but it was the IM back door (and thanks for the welcome). ;-)
THK - Thanks for welcoming me aboard. If you're away from home, you may want to hollar "uncle" if you're on dial-up before this thread hits 200. People forget how long these take to load at 56k when you've got DSL or cable.
Baldwin - nobody's going to give you crumbs, you'd make stuffing & feed it back to'em. (;-Þ)
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| 138 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 396231715
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 23:52
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I tried Chapman last year when Bennett went down and rfs took Moe Williams. Chapman did zip then and probably will have the same fate this year, but he is the first in line at this point as far as I know.
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| 139 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 37741315
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 00:07
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'Cards, check your e-mail when you get a chance. I sent you details on a possible trade offer in the G20 Baseball League.
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| 140 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 1738220
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 00:09
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OK, I really need to trade a QB now! How many games does Brunell play per year?
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| 141 | Baldwin
ID: 111112015
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 00:32
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I checked and darned if I could find McCardell on anyone's roster. Tell me if I am wrong.
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| 142 | Baldwin
ID: 111112015
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 00:33
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He was dropped by CCRider.
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| 143 | Doug
Sustainer
ID: 2730280
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 01:52
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Wow... an entire round is almost complete!!!! Heads up to the early-round guys that's it's coming your way soon (hopefully)... remember, no snake! =-)
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| 144 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 1738220
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 09:05
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Ref, Peter N, promize have been e-mailed as the next 3 owners to pick...
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| 145 | Doug
Sustainer
ID: 2730280
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 09:28
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I have a quick question (please forgive me if this is addressed in the rules)... if I draft a player this year who is listed at a given position, say, QB... and then the team that drafts him converts him into another position, say WR (such as the no-longer-a-football-player Eric Crouch), then next year if I "keep" him, will he have to be moved to his new position on my roster, or will he still be eligible at the position that I drafted him for? Or is it dependent on the website we use for the league each year (different sites sometimes assign individual players to different positions, or allow/disallow you from modifying positional assignments for your league, or even allow multiple positions for a given player, etc.). TIA!
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| 146 | CanEHdian Pride
Donor
ID: 48936413
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 09:40
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I originally thought that the answer was a no brainer because in baseball it is all about position eligiblity. However, in football this is another animal because many players are on the active roster the entire year but never see a snap. Therefore, if Byron Leftwich makes the Jaguars out of training camp but doesn't take a snap he still maintains his QB eligility. The question then becomes, if he plays another position but doesn't see the field as a QB does he lose his QB eligibilty all together.
I think that the answer would rely on the official depth chart. Seeing as each week a team MUST submit a list of their QBs (1st, 2nd and emergency) then I would think as long as the QB is still listed as one of the three in this group that he would retain his eligibility at this position.
I'd say that if a player retains eligibility on the official team website depth chart that he should retain it in our league.
Just a thought.
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| 147 | CanEHdian Pride
Donor
ID: 48936413
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 09:48
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Sorry, I should say this.
In the previous year, if the player is listed as 1 of the 3 QBs for the eligibility requirement then he should be considered eligible for the following season at QB.
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| 148 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 11:44
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Holy smokes! Was on all day yesterday and we got nothing--then overnight everyone picks before me. Now the cupboard is bare. Back to the drawing board as I have no clue who to even look at. You guys are making this too difficult for me! Good job. I will put these players on the proper teams on the site then I'll start looking. Have a couple of meeting today, but hopefully I can get it done this afternoon.
Btw, Kordell Stewart is still at QB. Crouch would have been at whatever position he was listed at by his team I believe. We will deal with it when it comes up.
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| 149 | TaRhEElKiD @ sisters
ID: 49759319
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 11:52
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I would like to take one of those QB's off your hands...but I don't know what deal we could really work for one of them.
Let me know...
THK
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| 150 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 27652109
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 16:04
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Doug,
I sent CBS an inquiry as to how they determine position eligibility. I'll give you an answer based on what they tell ne their procedures are.
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| 151 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 27652109
Thu, Aug 07, 2003, 20:19
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In response to Doug in post 145, here is the answer I got from CBS:
Hi :
Players are listed at the position listed by the NFL...If they change
it we will change it...
Thank you for your business,
The Commissioners' Office
Commish Paul
So, that being said we are going to let the site take care of it. So, draft accordingly.
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| 152 | Doug
Sustainer
ID: 31649212
Thu, Aug 07, 2003, 20:29
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Thanks RFS... the only point that is still ambiguous to me is would they change a player's position mid-season, or only from one season to the next? Perhaps you can answer that based upon the context of the email you sent them? Anyway, at least now I know who's mercy I'm at. =-)
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| 153 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Tue, Aug 12, 2003, 15:12
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I got an additional clarification from CBS (sort of). They state that they will change a player position when the "NFL" does [even mid-season]. The did not identify their source for me. So, at this point the decision on player positions is that it will be controlled by CBS/website w/o commissioner adjustments.
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