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Subject: TSN Tuna Supreme discussion thread
Posted by: Taxman
- Leader [2554110] Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 00:31
Begin the draft
No time limit (for now), but please advise on this discussion thread if you will be gone for long periods of time. (so others will not be sitting at their computer thinking it will be their turn any moment)
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1 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 46222819 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 01:10
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Being on West Coast time perhaps I should post my first pick; R. Williams M. Faulk Tomlinson Portis
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2 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 01:13
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Where's the Mexican? We're going to need it I can tell.
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3 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 08:32
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Taxman, I can handle just about any surprise except maybe an Exdangered Species coming between us! ;-)
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4 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 12:17
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Brooklyn is up. PD took Portis.
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5 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 57111916 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 12:34
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I set up my ranking list on the TSN site which I would like to print out...but can not...any ideas how to do it?
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6 | Taxman Leader
ID: 70342912 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 12:51
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I'm baaaaack.
Good Gawd, I am so retarded. Restarting the computer fixes so many of the ills in life. I wonder if that could fix the wart on the end of my nose or the pot belly thing.
Ok draft is actually underway. Our mystery manager dejour is Challanger. Hopefully he will post me an e-mail so that I can add him to the e-mail list for any private conversations that might come up.
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7 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 13:09
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Thanks for the invite! I'm workin' on that email now. Been having troubles with my PC too, loading up RotoGuru specifically. Bewilder why, but trying to change settings to accommodate.
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8 | Dr. Doom
ID: 52328812 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 13:47
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cc, doesn't seem to be an easy way, but if you want to you can always "View", "Source" from the explorer menu, find your players and paste into Excel, a couple of formulas to peel of the excess javascript and you have a printable list.
Sorry best i can think of for now.
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9 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 13:55
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Challenger - Welcome aboard! I've had an intermittant problem accessing Rotoguru.com since yesterday morning. It's effected my email retrieval as well as loading the html pages. I hope it's not the latest web/email worm wiggling around the net.
Interesting pick @ #3. Is the defensive scoring that high in TSN? Hmmmmmm.
CC - From a cursory look through, it appears you have to export the TSN rankings to print them.
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10 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 14:12
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oops Dr D. I was hunting & typing when you were posting. ;-)
I emailed Don that he's up.
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11 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 14:31
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Thanks deepsnapper!
A relief, in a way, to hear someone else is having the same troubles with RG. Maybe Guru, can give us some possible insight. Course I have been online having troubles with RG yet at the same time Dr. Doom uploads it just fine. My attempted fixes were eliminating some spyware software settings and emptying my cache files of 344mb of files. Maybe this will help.
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12 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 15:07
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Challanger - It's more than just you & I. Peter N snagged a new laptop to take to Texas Tech over the weekend and he's experienced timeouts trying to access the Guru's World Headquarters since Monday. I know because he's IM'ing me to find out if I can get in (like that'd help him).
Cleaning 355mb of cache files will help especially if you're disk size isn't the "jumbo" size. Have you thought of using the disk compression utility? Press all those ittey bitty bits of data back together where they belong? (;-Þ)
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13 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 15:36
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I'm ok on disk space - 10.5 gig left....now. The cache files were Temp Internet files which aren't needed anyway. I really should set a schedule to auto delete anyway, but then I wouldn't have all that fun. :)
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14 | Stuck at Work
ID: 457262014 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 15:41
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OK, I've picked; didn't know this one was getting under way. I thought there was a TSN site somewhere that did the draft.
Don
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15 | Taxman Leader
ID: 29463114 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 18:35
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As to my problem with RG access. Problem solved when I restarted computer. Must be some weird cookie coming via the RG address, but only selected machines appear to be troubled. It's probably good to restart machine on a regular basis, so it's a NBD. No Big Deal.
I will be out of pocket tonite until 8:OO PM CST
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16 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 21:05
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I will be traveling and out of communication for most of the day Saturday - probably from 9am until 10pm or so (EDT). I'll try to pass along a queue in advance.
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17 | Taxman Leader
ID: 386283111 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 21:14
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I'm back. Anyone seen or heard from Clif?
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18 | Stuck at Work
ID: 457262014 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 21:42
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Nada word
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19 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 4073619 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 22:41
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Just picked all. Sorry, long day at work and just got home. That's two in a row. Broke down and bought a new laptop, so should be just fine next week while I am on the road.
Should be an interesting draft with this group.
Cliff
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20 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 23:35
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Challenger is up. I dozed off in my chair. I must be geeting old
Barring a state of unconciousness, I'll check back in again before calling it a night.
ds
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21 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 23:38
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I'm here and growling at the previous selection. ;)
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22 | Taxman Leader
ID: 386283111 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 23:47
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I'm done for the knight. I'll ck back in the AM.
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23 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 4073619 Wed, Aug 20, 2003, 23:54
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Will check again in a bit to see if it gets back to me.
Cliff
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24 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 00:10
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Cliff - It's baaaack.
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25 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 4073619 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 09:03
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Made the pick before I went to bed. Am up and about. Will check before I leave for work and again before my meeting starts. May need to send a queue.
Cliff
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26 | Taxman Leader
ID: 386283111 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 09:38
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Cliff
I will be around today....be happy to handle your que.
I will need someone to handle my que on Saturday day...maybe Fri night also.
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27 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 09:49
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Awww, The 1st day of school and my girls were scurring about the house beautifying themselves in a semi panic state. Nooooooooowwwwwwwwwww the peace & quiet........I'm gonna cry. I don't have a fight to break up! ;)
Ciff, If you need to send a que, I will be around.
Finally, I notice that Taxman, Guru, & one other (not me) will not be around Saturday. Just how many of us will be around Saturday? Ya know, it might save some time if everyone of ya send me your ques and I'll have this thing finished when you in no time. (Insert Vincent Price's evil laugh, a long one) Let me assure you, each team will have Hall of Fame caliber players on your team. Barry Sanders, OJ Simpson, John Hadl, Sammy Baugh, Roger the Dodger, Babe Ruth, Bullett Bob, Sweetness, Purple People Eaters...... May have to eliminate OJ though. He's to busy trying to find his ex-wifes murderer, on the golf course.
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28 | Taxman Leader
ID: 386283111 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 10:18
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:>) Would you get me Butkus a LB please and maybe The Dodger @ QB. And how about Mean Joe Greene. By the way anyone know the story behind Joe's nickname??
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29 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 10:24
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The early run on team defenses is interesting. I assume this tactic is similar to that often used for catchers in baseball, or centers in hoops, where the limited supply of quality options leads some to pick them ahead of their nominal ranking, especially since we each need 2 team defenses.
Still, it is surprising to see so many defenses go in the 1st and 2nd rounds.
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30 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 526482422 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 10:33
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Yeah, I wouldn't think the defenses would outweigh the players still on the board.
pd
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31 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 10:56
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Mean Joe Greene and the Steel Curtain. Lambert & Butkus and those piercing eyes staring you down. Sends shivers up me spine.
Wasn't Greene from N Texas State?
Until Barry Sanders came along, Bullet Bob Hayes was my favorite. If a cornerback blinked, Bob was past them on a fly pattern heading to the endzone with another catch...at least that's how my childhood memories plays it out in my head and I'm stickin' to it. :)
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32 | Stuck in the Sixties Leader
ID: 274132811 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 12:50
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Um .... how many of each position do we have in this league?
Don
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33 | Dr. Doom
ID: 557282111 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 12:54
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Quarterback 2 Running Back 2 Wide Receiver 4 Tight End 1 Kicker 1 Defense 2 Linebacker 1 Defensive Line 2 Defensive Back 2 Kick Returner 1 Bench 7
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35 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 14:11
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I'll be around as it stands now. I may have to make a quick trip to see my Mom next week depending on the results of a biopsy she's having Tuesday and me getting a doctor's release Wednesday in order to walk ;-)
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36 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 16:36
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Challenger - Yes indeed Joe Greene played for NTSU - now Univerity of North Texas. The nickname of NTSU/UNT was/is the Mean Green and when Pittsburgh drafted him, some sportswriter up there picked up a bi-line that said that the "Mean Green" was going to stomp Southwest LSU's QB (not sure of the team) & took that to mean Joe was going to stomp the QB and the rest is history as far as the legend goes.
Joe tried to tell everyone they had it wrong, but it was too good a story and after a while, it took on a life of it's own. Success may have had something to do with that. It's a great story and Joe is/was a great alumni of the university and a great ambassador for football (and a heck of a guy by all accounts).
University of North Texas'... Mean Green Athletics
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37 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 17:29
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I dropped Guru a note letting him know he's up.
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38 | Taxman Leader
ID: 29463114 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 18:00
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Sounds much like a fellow allumni,(I'm a BBA Accounting 1970 here) And I think the QB was Ferguson of Arkansas which won the game only because of hometown refereeing by something like 2 or 3 points @ 1968 or 69. Also drafted off that team was QB Steve Ramsey (Samuels High Sch.), WR Ronnie Shanklin and a OG by the Bears named Holland (I think) Not bad for a small school.
I am gone again 'till @ 8-8:30 PM CST
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39 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 19:00
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Challenger's up & then we'll hold on for Don unless someone's got a queue for him (doubtful for 2x). Cowboys vs Steelers @7:00PM cst. I know where I'll be, but there are lots of commercial breaks. ;-)
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40 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 19:08
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I'm on the clock and taking my time since the T-man is out
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41 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 19:18
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My bad, I cleaned up the thread. Thanks for keeping me in line Challenger.
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42 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 19:39
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No Problem, early catch no damage down.
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43 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 149272511 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 19:47
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OK, just picked.
Cliff
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44 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 20:28
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me too - it's all your Challenger.
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45 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 20:54
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Commish is now up
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46 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 4073619 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 21:16
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Dagnabit Roy, Thought I could wait til the next round for him.
Cliff
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47 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 21:41
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Back...will have picks up in a min
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48 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 22:22
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Cliff - I picked out of order by mistake & Challenger reminded me it wasn't may turn. I'm just glad you weren't hanging around at the time or you'd have seen him show up a leettle early. ;-)
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50 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 22:24
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I will be waiting on Challenger.
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51 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 22:39
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Back to Cliff for #4.
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52 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 4073619 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 22:52
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I picked, back Guru.
Cliff
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53 | Dr. Doom
ID: 557282111 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 23:13
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I'm ready if it gets to me.
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54 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 23:38
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Perm Dude's up. I'll go look in Political boards.
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55 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 00:08
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sent an email to the eclipse.net addy. He's not on IM at the moment.
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56 | Brooklyn
ID: 497441517 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 00:11
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Can I get a read on how late folks might hang out tonight?
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57 | Dr. Doom
ID: 557282111 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 00:13
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couple hrs 2ET
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58 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 00:15
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I'm good for maybe another hour. I've been up for longer than I care to count on 3 hrs sleep.
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59 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 00:19
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What happened? This dude's so wide I'm getting dizzy.
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60 | Brooklyn
ID: 497441517 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 00:22
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Thanks, guess I could get another pick if we hear from Perm Dude.
I couldn't even read on 3 hrs sleep.
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61 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 4073619 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 00:40
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Guess I'll crash and check first thing in the morning.
Cliff
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62 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 00:46
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He's a NJ guy come to think of it so I'm not holding out much hope the later it gets w/o any word.
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63 | Dr. Doom
ID: 557282111 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 00:51
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Deepsnapper, i'm sure you are good for the night. After 2:00, i'll be back on about 6:00 to check again.
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64 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 01:26
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Dr.Doom - I'll be back on ~7AM CDT. 4 rounds is pretty impressive.
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65 | Dr. Doom
ID: 557282111 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 01:27
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Brooklyn, if you are still around go to bed. I'm leaving, back early.
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66 | Brooklyn
ID: 497441517 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 01:29
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Done
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67 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 4073619 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 08:37
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OK, I'm up and about. Will be able to check regularly today at work, so will do so. Same holds for tomorrow. Am driving to San Diego early Sunday, but will check before I go and after I get there.
Cliff
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68 | Dr. Doom
ID: 557282111 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 08:48
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I'm here, working, waiting.
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69 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 11:09
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I will be gone tonite from 6-10 and all day on Saturday, back late afternoon. If the rest of you will be around, someone please take my que so that we can keep moving. If several more are going to be out, then lets take sat off and start up Sunday morning.
What say ye?
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70 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 11:17
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Don't run off PD, Doc will be back online in a few minutes
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71 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 526482422 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 11:18
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No problem. I'm here all day until about 4.
pd
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72 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 11:19
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By the way, if you need to reach me by phone, I will send each of you my cell number via e-mail. I have nationwide long distance, and if you don't mind, e-mail me a contact phone number ( I will not make available to ANYONE else, in this TSN league or otherwise) so that if need be I can contact you when away from the computer.
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73 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 11:20
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Taxman, I should be around, at least that's the plan, if you want to send the que this way.
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74 | Dr. Doom
ID: 52328812 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 11:36
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K, gimme a couple secs, just sat down at the office.
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75 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 526482422 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 11:52
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OK, I took Davis-wanted George, but happy with Davis. On to Brooklyn.
pd
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76 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 13:19
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Can anyone take a queue for the next 2 rounds? I'm going to be out for the next 2-4 hrs and I don't want to hang up the draft. (besides Challenger or Taxman) ;-)
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77 | Dr. Doom
ID: 52328812 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 13:23
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pick me
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78 | Dr. Doom
ID: 52328812 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 13:23
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or AIM if you have
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79 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 149272511 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 13:38
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Roy is up, I just picked.
Cliff
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80 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 57111916 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 13:43
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I am somewhat embarrassed to ask this question but.. how do you underline when posting a message?
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81 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 526482422 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 13:45
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Just like bold, but a u instead of a b.
pd
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82 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 14:23
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I just draw a line on the monitor. See it works. :)
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83 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 14:28
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I'm in ...give me 5 minites and i'll turn it
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84 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 14:59
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OK so it was 30 minutes.
Thanks for offer Challanger. I hate to give my que to person drafting next to me...but as they say...you are the best (only) offer I've had
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85 | Dr. Doom
ID: 52328812 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 15:05
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Sorry taxman, I'm out this weekend (mid-sat to late sun.) otherwise I would have gladly helped you out.
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86 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 16:58
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Totally understand Taxman. I'd be using my utmost intergity = to a lawyer it is. ;>)
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87 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 411148204 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 17:07
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Dr Doom - I got Pete on AIM right when I typed & the mrs was pushing me out the door (literally) to go to the Dr (as it was) lol
AIM=deepsnappe
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88 | Species Sustainer
ID: 569221717 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 18:00
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Hey Taxman - did you realize you were up in the "Gridiron Guru" draft??
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89 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 49132614 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 18:33
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What kinda crazy-arse scoring are you fellers playin' wit?
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90 | Dr. Doom
ID: 557282111 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 18:35
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Scoring Category Points Passing Yards (per 25 yards) 1 Rushing Yards (per 10 yards) 1 Receiving Yards (per 10 yards) 1 Kick Return Yards 0.1 Punt Return Yards 0.3 Passing TD 5 Rushing TD 7 Receiving TD 7 Kick/Punt Return TD 14 2 Point Conversion 5 30+ Yard Pass 2 50+ Yard Pass 3 20+ Yard Rush 2 40+ Yard Rush 3 20+ Yard Reception 1 40+ Yard Reception 3 30+ Yard TD Pass 1 50+ Yard TD Pass 2 20+ Yard TD Rush 1 40+ Yard TD Rush 2 20+ Yard TD Reception 1 40+ Yard TD Reception 2 300+ Yard Passing Game 4 100+ Yard Rushing Game 4 100+ Yard Receiving Game 4 Interception Thrown -2 Fumbles Lost -2 Scoring Category Points Extra Points Made 1 Extra Points Missed -4 Field Goals Made 1-29 Yards 2 Field Goals Missed 1-29 Yards -3 Field Goals Made 30-39 Yards 3 Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards -1 Field Goals Made 40-49 Yards 4 Field Goals Made 50+ Yards 6
Scoring Category Points Interceptions 3 Fumbles Recovered 3 Sacks 2 Defensive Touchdowns 10 Interception Return Yards 0.2 Fumble Return Yards 0.2 Blocked Kicks 4 Safeties 4 Shutouts 25 1-3 Points Allowed (Game) 18 4-6 Points Allowed (Game) 15 7 Points Allowed (Game) 10 8-9 Points Allowed (Game) 10 10-13 Points Allowed (Game) 6 14 Points Allowed (Game) 5 15-20 Points Allowed (Game) 4 21-24 Points Allowed (Game) 3 25-30 Points Allowed (Game) 1 31+ Points Allowed (Game) -5 0-100 Passing Yards Allowed 4 101-200 Passing Yards Allowed 1 301+ Passing Yards Allowed -3 0-50 Rushing Yards Allowed 6 51-100 Rushing Yards Allowed 4 101-150 Rushing Yards Allowed 1 200+ Rushing Yards Allowed -3 Solo Tackles 2 Asstisted Tackles 1
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91 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 49132614 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 18:36
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Ahh... I understand why TB went that now.
Thanks for clearing up my confusion, good doctor.
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92 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 18:57
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Species Read post 69
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93 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 20:20
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Lied in that post. Have not left yet, but leaving will happen.
I will be sending a que to Brooklyn that I hope will cover the next 4 rounds.
Now, how do we find Perm Dude. Several of you waited past midnight for him to draft. Anyone had contact with him since his draft pick this AM???
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94 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 1754479 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 20:24
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I'm here. It was my turn in KKB's draft, so it took a bit to make that pick. I'll take a look right now.
pd
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95 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 4073619 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 20:25
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I'll be in and out tomorrow and driving south Sun. Will be flying Monday, but can leave a queue and then check as soon as I get checked into the hotel in Austin.
Cliff
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96 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 20:36
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Doc's picks in
Back to PD!
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97 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 20:56
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I am now out the door..back briefly in about three hours
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98 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 23:28
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lurking around catching up on the picks
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99 | Dr. Doom
ID: 557282111 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 23:29
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All we need is GoatLocker and we can turn it around.
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100 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 23:30
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I'm just lurking around
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101 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 23:35
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I'm back...any Goat sightings? I'll be up for another 15-30 minutes then off to slumberland and gone 'till 5ish tomorrow afternoon. I do have some phone numbers I can use to stay in touch.
I'll be leaving a que with Brooklyn (better with someone at other end of draft Rick).
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102 | Dr. Doom
ID: 557282111 Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 23:46
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GoatLocker has been around each night around this time.
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103 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 01:54
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I've wore out my "refresh" icon on my browser so.........Good night all.
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104 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 09:16
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If needed , I posted a queue for the 8th and 9th rounds in the test forum. Here's the link.
No fair peeking in advance!
I'll be back online late Saturday night.
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105 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 4073619 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 09:43
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I've picked, sorry all, got hung up.
Cliff
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106 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 10:42
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Give me 5 and I'll pick. thanks DD for the heads up.
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107 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 4073619 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 11:00
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Roy, You're just bustin my chops. Left him alone, because I thought I could get him in the 8th round on the return.
Cliff
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108 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 11:10
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Cliff - I had him bolded all night waiting for you to pick. I just knew you'd come in and take him off the board. I even did another "find" just to make sure there he wasn't in the thread somewhere before I hit enter, thus the 5 min. lol
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109 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 11:12
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Challenger was IM'd so he's aware it's his pick.
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110 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 12:03
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Deepsnapper on the clock and is aware. Get those picks ready GL.
Now to go see Guru's picks since I can't pick until he gets back. :)
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111 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 12:03
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Back to Cliff
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112 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 46222819 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 12:25
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Roy: Can I send you my list? I do not have your email address ready at hand. I will be out for about 2 hours.
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113 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 12:31
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Will - deepsnapper@yahoo.com
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114 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 12:54
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cc - got it
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115 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 13:08
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OK, I just picked. Back to Guru.
Somebody checking his list, or should I.
Cliff
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116 | Dr. Doom
ID: 557282111 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 13:11
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guru picks twice before you Cliff, so go ahead
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117 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 13:22
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I just picked for guru. Only highlighted his first choice.
Cliff
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118 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 14:15
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PD, As soon as I know you picked, I will posts Doc's.
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119 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 57111916 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 14:58
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Was Steve Smith taken as a KR or a WR?
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120 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 15:05
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typed Rod Woodson for PD's round 9 pick, hit enter and then put the cheaters on and read Ron! - I thought oh $hit! and deleted that post. That self-edit a post works great!
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121 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 15:40
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Good question cc! Real good question!
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122 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 15:43
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Answer would be, guess not, since his next selection was another kr.
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123 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 15:47
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If it's the same person, you'd have to assume a dual purpose. I'm not sure where he fits in the database. Has anyone looked?
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124 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 46222819 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 16:22
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The database has no category for KR. I think that if you select somebody as a KR and he continues to have that as his principal role in his real team then you should not be able to switch that selection to a WR or RB at a later date. However this does not always work for example Delta O'Neal whose primary role is not a KR. I guess we need a ruling.
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125 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 16:28
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Well, I want Dion Sanders then! ;-)
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126 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 16:47
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Under the "Info" section, link "league rules", you will see Taxman has used his Commish privileges to adjust our league for kr, a extra wr, and various different scoring possibilites. Normally, if a wr/rb is set in his correct position, wr/rb, he still would receive kr points even though he's not in the kr slot and vice versa.
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127 | Taxman Leader
ID: 46548912 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 17:32
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I am back ......and will take over..BIG THANKS to Brooklyn for flawlessly executing my que today. Hope things have been moving well and that everyone who is/has been/will be out of pocket left a que behind.
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128 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 17:41
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Not sure about Cliff - his #95 itenerary has him in & out today.
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129 | Taxman Leader
ID: 46548912 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 18:17
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Can I have feed back about putting a clock on the draft. I propose the following become the rule at noon EST tomorrow Sunday the 23rd of August(TSN roster freeze time) My intent is to force managers to leave a que when they are not able to get to the boards every two hours between 11:00 AM EST and midnight EST.
I would like a 60 min to 90 min clock. If you do not make your own choice or leave a que to be entered for you in that time frame, then your selection is skipped. And the draft continues with the following manager. The pick is not forfeited, it is delayed. The (all) skipped picks of a specific manager can be made only at the time that manager is on the clock in a following round, and must be used (posted in the draft thread) labeled with the correct number (original round and slot that was skipped) before the pick of that manager in that later round. Any skipped pick not taken before a later round pick is posted must wait until the his next turn to pick.
In example Cliff is now up for pick # 9.07. Cliff fails to pick or leave a que that is entered for him timely. The pick is delayed and cannnot be taken at the earliest until Cliff picks again in round 10 in the 5th slot. He can draft the delayed pick 9.07 only if he labels it correctly and lists it before he executes his 10.05 pick. If the 10.05 pick is posted before posting the 9.07 pick, Cliff is not allowed to execute that pick until his turn in round 11, but only if posted before his round 11 pick. All skipped picks not taken by the end of the draft are forfeited.
Comments?
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130 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 18:48
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I'm here and just picked. Too many things to do with being on travel next week to just set by the computer. Will read Donny's post in a minute and say what I think.
Cliff
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131 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 18:59
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Donny, Sounds good to me. Didn't know I was going to be gone more than an hour.
Cliff
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132 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 526482422 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 19:04
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Sounds OK to me too, Donny.
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133 | Brooklyn
ID: 497441517 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 19:07
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OK with me
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134 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 526482422 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 19:23
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re #126: I have been ranking guys at this point based upon their possibility of getting both "regular" points and KR/PR points. Can we verify that it is the case that they get any points earned during the game, regardless of position?
pd
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135 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 19:31
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Agree with PD's question. If I have Tim Dwight as a WR, do I get his KR points, or do I have to have him as a KR to get those points. Also, if I have him as a KR, do I get his WR points.
Cliff
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136 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 526482422 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 19:37
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I don't mind saying that I bumped up Northcutt for the possibility of also getting return yardage points.
pd
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137 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 19:45
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Hopefully Donny will pop in shortly to pick and we can get a ruling.
Cliff
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138 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 20:05
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Question
Does a player receive points at more than 1 position:
Two answers:
1) I am in favor of that scenario and will not prohibit that result, and
2) I intend to let/allow/have TSN score this game because of the myriad possibilities of points. I will not rescore games and have made the election to not go back and rescore games.
For instance, Strayhan of Giants gets a sack, in my book that should be points to DL position for a sack, a tackle and to the defensive team for the sack. I believe that the same should hold true for a WR or DB that returns punts. No matter the position inserted for the game, points should be awarded for all categories in which points are awarded. That means a flea flicker to Manning would get Manning receiving yardage points.
On the re-scoring issue, I wisely (not so wise by him) begged The Computer Wizard (drum roll) the esteemed Dr Doom (we partnered in Tag Team in Hockey with a team called "The two things in life that are for sure" ) to serve in the Co/Asst Commissioner Role. If he has an idea on how to re-score per the above thoughts if TSN doesn't agree with us, I hope he will share it with us.
Comments...Dr Doom?
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139 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 20:09
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I would like an opinion from Donny too before I pick
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140 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 20:11
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So, my scenario in 135 would give me all of his points no matter what position he is playing in.
Cliff
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141 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 20:19
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I'm playing the part of Dr.Doom till Sunday night
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142 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 20:21
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Selection made now
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143 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 20:32
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Cliff..in my book... YES. But, how TSN does it ?? And that will control unless Dr. Kervorkian will/can figure method to override without having to go through every player's game for the week.
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144 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 20:40
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Reprint of post # 129 note change: clock = 90 minutes to pick.
And my interpretation of rule is that if you leave a que and the person it is left with falls asleep, whatever, and misses the time to post your pick, you get same results as if you just failed to leave a que and didn't timely pick.
I have 3 votes for and no votes against. If another manager besides Cliff, Matt or PD will join in approveing, the following will go into effect tomorrow at Noon EST
. I propose the following become the rule at noon EST tomorrow Sunday the 23rd of August(TSN roster freeze time) The intent is to force managers to leave a que when they are not able to get to the boards every two hours between 11:00 AM EST and midnight EST.
I would like a 90 min clock. If you do not make your own choice or leave a que to be entered for you in that time frame, then your selection is skipped. And the draft continues with the following manager. The pick is not forfeited, it is delayed. The (all) skipped picks of a specific manager can be made only at the time that manager is on the clock in a following round, and must be used (posted in the draft thread) labeled with the correct number (original round and slot that was skipped) before the pick of that manager in that later round. Any skipped pick not taken before a later round pick is posted must wait until the his next turn to pick.
In example Cliff is now up for pick # 9.07. Cliff fails to pick or leave a que that is entered for him timely. The pick is delayed and cannnot be taken at the earliest until Cliff picks again in round 10 in the 5th slot. He can draft the delayed pick 9.07 only if he labels it correctly and lists it before he executes his 10.05 pick. If the 10.05 pick is posted before posting the 9.07 pick, Cliff is not allowed to execute that pick until his turn in round 11, but only if posted before his round 11 pick. All skipped picks not taken by the end of the draft are forfeited.
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145 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 20:51
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I'm away for an hour or so
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146 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 21:50
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I vote NO!
We have had power go out each of the last 2 days! Yesterday's was a mjor one which effected several towns/cities. Today was storms, yet we received no rain. Others did, but not us.
It's unforseen, and no way to send a que.
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147 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 21:57
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If phones are an option when the power is out, I will leave/post my cell phone number that can be called 24x7. Would that change your vote?
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148 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 21:59
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I've been going under these assumptions regarding scoring/eligibility:
1. A player accumulates points in all scoring categories, regardless of position. This is how TSN processes their standard game, and I would be very surprised if the roto scoring was any different.
2. A player who is eligible at more than one position can be used at either from week to week, but only for one position each week. Example: I could use Steve Smith at WR in week one, and at KR in week 2. As such, there is no need to declare a player's position when he is drafted.
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149 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 46222819 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 22:01
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Then what stops us putting a QB in the KR spot?
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150 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 22:13
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TSN does! TSN has designated certain players "kr". I see no Qb's on the list. In turn a player who is not designated a "kr", you can not slot him there, just like in the Ultimate and basic games
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151 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 46222819 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 22:28
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Sorry ..got it, I hadn't seen the KR designation.
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152 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 22:49
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TSN would have to list the player at the position to be eligible.
If I go to the TSN game site and ask it to list KRs, it produces a list of them. Steve Smith is one of them. If I list WRs, Steve Smith also appears on that list. Thus, I have been assuming that he is eligible for either position.
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153 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 22:56
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Taxman - I am willing to support the 90 minute draft clock with 2 provisos:
1. It should not go into effect until Monday. You only proposed this at 6pm today. Some people could conceivably time out tomorrow without even being aware of the change.
2. A skipped pick can be made up at any time. What is the purpose of delaying a skipped pick until the following round?
I do question whether this is necessary, however. We're into the 10th round after about 40 hours. Seems like we are making good progress without a clock. Maybe we should wait a few more days to see if we continue to make good time.
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154 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 23:47
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I'll be on the road from tomorrow until next Saturday, so if you need to email me, please use this yahoo email. I can't get to my adelphia account on the road.
Thanks, Cliff
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155 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 23:47
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I had a queue for PD's picks for this go around, but that was it.
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156 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 00:27
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PD's last choice of Matthew Hatchette is not in the TSN player research. What happens now?
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157 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 00:58
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CHallenger - I revised the pick and took the other player from this list. If he'd rather have Hatchette, I'm not sure what can be done if the player isn't in the database, you can't draft him.
Goatlocker left me his queue for this draft.
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158 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 07:59
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I'm up, not necessarily coherant, but up.
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159 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 08:05
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I'm up, but will let Roy pick from the queue since it is not my choice yet. Will check later after I get to the Daughter's in San Diego.
Cliff
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160 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 1754479 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 10:08
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No Hatchette? Damn. Patten is fine, Roy, thanks. Do you still have names on the list?
pd
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161 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 12:56
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We never got a 4th confirmation vote (unless you count Guru's vote to approve only if amended) SO for the present, there is no clock
If anyone would like to pose the clock rule as amended by Dave, I would certainly institute it upon obtaining 5 votes for and after an adequate time was given to all for preparation of a que and getting a handle on personal schedules.
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162 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 13:47
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Suggestion to Guru's #2
2. A skipped pick can be made up at any time. What is the purpose of delaying a skipped pick until the following round?
When the skipped individual is back & ready to make their selection, he may not immediately go in front of whomever is already on the clock and make their selection. They must 1st notify their intentions to select, via the discussion thread, they are ready to make their selection and then they may proceed after whomever is on the clock has posted their selection(s). (Selection(s) refers mainly to Dr. Doom & Taxman, but we may want to include anyone kindly drafting for the individual next to them in draft order, Ex....Cliff & Roy. I don't think it's fair to split up their votes since mostly they won't be reviewing the discussion thread while on the clock. This portion open for debate, obviously)
Finally, Dr. Doom should have the right the put in his opinion before we change the rule. He should be back later this evening.
Just my $.02
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163 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 427272213 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 14:38
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Thanks for the assist Roy. That worked out fine. I've got it for the rest of the day and will leave a queue with somebody tonite before I fly in the morning.
Cliff
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164 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 14:51
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I'm agreeable with 162
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165 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 15:36
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That's 2 yes votes for post #162,modifying #153 modifying #144 We need three more. Matt, PD, Cliff. Do the amendments change your votes?
Three more yes votes and we can institute the Clock (as modified by the Guru's amendment as modified by Challanger)
Clock would start on this coming Tuesday at noon EST.
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166 | Stuck in the Sixties Leader
ID: 274132811 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 15:38
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Clock's fine with me
Don
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167 | Brooklyn
ID: 497441517 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 15:48
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OK with me
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168 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 46222819 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 15:51
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Yes vote
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169 | Brooklyn
ID: 497441517 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 15:57
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Challenger, Thanx for the help re Boston
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170 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 427272213 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 15:58
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Agree with 162. Won't be on as often since I am dialing up, but will continue to check off and on through the day.
Cliff
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171 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 16:04
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Brooklyn is still up in round 12 - 12.08 is not a valid pick, Boston was 5.08. ;-)
Perm Dude - " Re: Ya queues ya lose:" only had those 4 names so I'm out of names. also & I mean also! - you're on the countdown clock in the Pol. draft and you know those guys. aaahh!
Goatlocker - my pleasure, I can handle a queue if need be. Your's was easy.
Taxman - 12.01 Dwight Feeney Who the heck is Feeney?? maybe Freeney, DL, Indy?? lol (maybe we should indicate player team & position on some of these "obscure" picks". ;-)
I also am agreeable to #162.
IMO, it isn't a hardship to whomever is on the clock if they're notified ahead of time (well, maybe some anxiety) and if it prevents someone from getting an assigned player they really didn't want) I don't think I've ever received a "computer" pick that I was satisfied with, not really or if the other option is to be skipped to another round, I'm all for jumping in when they return.
A pick mae in front of who's on the clock isn't going to kill their team (unless it's guru taking your D in round 11! (;-Þ)
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172 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 16:19
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Hrrrrmmpfff. Where does it say in the rule book that you have to be able to SPEL to play fantasy sports. Feeney Frebie Freeley Freeney, what ever (yes DL Colts) Thanks for the spell checker Deep Snipper :>)
New draft chart to be posted shortly. When you get your pick (or you can do it on the draft thread page run "FIND" in Explorer on "Edit" drop down table to see if that name is already drafted.
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173 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 16:26
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Brooklyn, your welcome! Even though I'm tracking the picks as we go on both Doom's sheet & mine, I still have to do a "find" each time to verify before I post. Besides, I couldn't believe we all must Boston.
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174 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 16:27
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Weel Tax, it has to be spilled rite 2 "find" it. :)
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175 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 16:29
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Challenger, I like Brooklyn's strategy. I am going to start drafting more used (previously drafted) players. I can fill my roster in better that way. Someday we should invent a fantasy game that allows all players to be drafted twice. Wouldn't that be fun to score. (where is the doomster when you really need him)
I'm gone again. Back @ 7-8ish CST tonite
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176 | Stuck in the Sixties Leader
ID: 274132811 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 16:34
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Has Portis been taken the second time yet?
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177 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 16:41
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you guys are baad.
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178 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 1754479 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 17:14
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OK, I'm here and will pick in a moment. Thanks Roy--already took care of the Politicos.
pd
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179 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 17:19
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Thanks PD! Don't go far as I'll post Doc's selections right behind ya
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180 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 17:27
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de nada Fred.
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181 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 1754479 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 17:28
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Roy, sent you an email question. My pick is ready, just wanted some clarification.
Won't go far!
pd
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182 | Challenger
ID: 135231212 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 17:33
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Your turn again PD.
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183 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 1754479 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 17:36
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Question answered, snap.
OK, will throw doen the second pick in a moment.
pd
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184 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 427272213 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 18:11
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You guys are raelly horrable. See what happens when we let all of the old farts playyy in the saaame leagueee.
Cliff
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185 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 18:54
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PD - read and replied anyway ;-)
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186 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 19:03
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Hold up a minute please! - who the heck did coldwater pick with 13.5? Kabeer Gbaaja-biamila isn't in the TSN database that I can find anyway.
What is the rule on an invalid pick? Stop or go? Commish!
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187 | Stuck in the Sixties Leader
ID: 274132811 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 19:06
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Kebeer Gbaja-Biamila --- GB DL
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188 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 427272213 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 19:06
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Correct Speelling is Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, DE, GB, college ball at San Diego State. I'm sure he is in the db, but will look.
Cliff
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189 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 19:07
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Thanks - I still think we need to put team and position on these guys for the dumbasses like me..
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190 | Stuck in the Sixties Leader
ID: 274132811 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 19:08
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Especially as we get into the rounds where they're not exactly household names --- even for us!!
Don
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191 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 19:09
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Gbaja is there, not as Gbaa. I'm no cheese head!
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192 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 1754479 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 19:18
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damn, I was going to pick him up! Even practiced on his name!
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193 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 427272213 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 19:28
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Another sleeper from SDSU. But, then again, don't think Marshall is that much of a sleeper.
Cliff
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194 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 33742418 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 19:41
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At my old age it is both difficult to spell and to type names of more than 12 letters....I tried my best on Kabeer
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195 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 19:53
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cc - maybe you need to write it down on your body... (;-Þ)
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196 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 20:44
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back and drafted on to Challanger
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197 | Taxman Leader
ID: 337282120 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 21:08
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Hmmmm writing team and position a great add on.
Staley is RB for (?) Philly yesterday Indy defense is, well, based solely on the coach
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198 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 21:58
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taxman -- better get over to the great g draft asap!
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199 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 22:58
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it's bye me anyway, thanks donny
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200 | Stuck in the Sixties Leader
ID: 274132811 Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 23:07
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I've about had it for tonight. When does the clock start tomorrow?
Don
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201 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 17103420 Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 07:45
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Taxman - It's probably time for a new discussion thread for the modem-challenged, but before someone does, I'm going to recommend that you start it Donny for continuities sake. It's easier to search out when 1 person starts them IMO.
And, If I could make 1 suggestion, could we tone down the yellow in the draft chart please?. The yellow comes through like a flashlight for some reason. Maybe it's just me, but light blue, green, grey, white, red, you get the picture is preferable, I'd even take pink! I'd laugh, but the spots in my eyes are so big I have to keep turning my head to type!
ds
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202 | coldwater coyotes SuperDude
ID: 229272412 Wed, Nov 05, 2003, 14:47
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I am unable to move players that are on my bench into vacant active slots.
Can anybody help...I have emailed TSN.
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