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0 Subject: The Hardcore Keeper League: Draft Discussion II

Posted by: APerfect10
- Leader [535572315] Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 01:11

2003 Offseason Discussion

Official League Website

2003 Players List download in MS Excel XP (updated daily)

2003 Draft Discussion I

2003 Draft Thread I (Rounds 1 - 5)

2003 Draft Thread II (Rounds 6 - 10)

**I have archived last years discussion threads. If you need access to them, please contact me.

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I would like to clarify that fumbles lost are -3 pts. 2 pt conversions will count as 2 points for everyone involved. Blocked kicks and blocked punts will count as 3 points for ST.
1APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 01:12
The downloadable Excel spreadsheet has been updated.
2wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 27735145
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 06:39
i sent my queue to derek, but i dont know if he will be there to get it so i will just post it here because i will be gone most of the afternoon.
1 hearst
2 maddux
3dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 09:15
I had mike's queue for round 8 and used wiggs' queue above to make their picks.

I also still have a queue from beebop, but I believe he sent it Derek also.
4dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 10:24
Derek, Im going out for a little while so I sent you a queue. I'll post here when I get back, if my turn to pick hasnt come yet.
5APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 10:30
Ok...
6APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 11:38
I have to run out for 45 min. I'll be back around 12:30 pm EST.
7dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 11:57
Thanks Derek. Im back now, so you can delete my queue.
8APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 12:22
dgrooves can pick.
9APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 13:33
Gotta run out again, I'll be back at 3pm EST
10mike
      ID: 57702113
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 14:03
geez, don't go online for 20 hours and all hell breaks loose :)

anyways I'm up and should be around (still haven't checked out picks yet)
11Bags @ work
      ID: 146381416
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 17:02
Quick question. How many rounds will we be drafting?
12mike
      ID: 587402115
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 17:03
23 I think, for total of 31 players
13Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 31649212
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 17:16
That's right mike. Also note the roster maximums at various positions (first post of each draft thread). For example, 4 teams (Bags, mike, wiggs, and Art) are already maxed out at the RB position and thus cannot draft any additional RBs. This is the only position where anyone is currently maxed out.
14Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 31649212
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 17:17
Also, I believe dwfffan gets an extra pick at the end of round 12 in compensation for only keeping 7 players... is that correct, Derek?
15Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 31649212
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 17:21
And, beebop is back on the clock... Lazio has 2 picks to make when he shows up.
16APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 18:07
dgrooves, you going to be aroud tonight again? :)
17wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 27735145
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 18:09
i need to leave a queue with someone, anyone going to be around
18wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 27735145
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 18:27
i sent a queue to dgrooves, i hope he gets it.
19mike
      ID: 587402115
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 18:27
I'm outta here for the night. I sent my queue out. have a good one all
20dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 18:45
I'll be around. Ive got a queue for mike and wiggs.

dwfffan has about 20 minutes left on the clock, then Nerf can pick. Also, Lazio still has two picks to make.
21APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 18:53
Yeah, I'm not sure where LAZIO is. When he said yesterday that he was back, I assumed he was back for good. I have no queues for him...
22beebop
      ID: 53711916
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 18:58
Derek, you still got my que??? if you do, can you please take out the QB's......thanx
Im gone for a bit, a few hours maybe.
23dwfffan
      ID: 197017
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 19:03
Derek, please use the Queue I sent this afternoon for tomorrow. I will be on the road again and wont have access till tomorrow night at the earliest.
24Bags @ work
      ID: 146381416
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 19:09
I'm here, it is slow tonight so I should make my picks quickly tonight.
25Nerfherders
      ID: 308512415
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 19:10
I picked. dwfffan got his pick in just in time.
26APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 19:39
dgrooves, sorry for the bombardment of queues :) Now you know what its like to be me ;) Anyways, I sent you 2 dwfffan queues. The 2nd is the accurate/updated one...
27APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 19:40
dgrooves, I asked for you to help with queues not steal my picks! Ahh, I was going to draft Holcomb with my last pick but I thought he'd slip through :( Interested in trading :)
28dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 19:48
No problem Derek, now Ive got an appreciation for all the work you put in :)

Holcombe was someone I had my eye on for a few picks (Ive got Morgan too). I figured with the number of teams with only one QB, he might not make it to 10.05. I finally guessed right for once.
29dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 21:10
I just used mike's queue to pick 10.03, but I dont have a 10th round queue for wiggs.
30Bags @ work
      ID: 146381416
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 21:54
Wiggs just took Sharpe, TE DEN. I belive Doug took him already, But I'm not sure in which round.
31Bags @ work
      ID: 146381416
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 21:55
Shannon Sharpe round 3.2
32wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 27735145
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 22:07
sorry, i must have missed that, give me a sec
33IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 22:10
so, what should i do with my skipped picks? can i pick now?
i've had a little "fire" problem in my house and couldn't just use a pc......so?
34wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 27735145
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 22:12
IL, i believe you can pick whenever you are ready. hope the fire was contained with little or no damage.
35IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Thu, Aug 21, 2003, 22:30
no big damages, just a little fear.
anyway try to understand that it's a bit difficult to be able to follow the draft with a 6 hours gap.....for example now it's 4:36 a.m. here, so if sometimes i'm a bit late have patience and faith because i'll pick a.s.a.p.!!!
36wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 27735145
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 06:41
I just found out my wifes grandmother has a blood clot in her leg and she was rushed to the ER last night, we are heading out of town and i will have computer access, it is just a matter was when and for how long. I do not want to hold the draft up, but i also do not have time to make a queue. If it gets to my pick and some time goes by with out a pick, i will allow someone to pick for me, please no joke picks, or you can skip me and i will pick when i get a chance. I hope this is acceptable for everyone. Thanks guys.
wiggs
37Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 08:29
Wiggs, I hope your wifes grandmother has a short stay in the hospital and that you get there safely.

I don't have a problem giving Wiggs some extra time when his pick is up. Maybe we could give the draft a break untill he is able to pick. If we need to do a pick for Wiggs maybe we could do a vote for his team. My .02 cents would be for OL or TE. Just a few ideas.
39IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 10:14
i corrected my last pick from mushin muhammad to kevin carter, is it allowed?
nobody picked after me and nobody has done it yet....
40APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 11:12
New Draft Thread (Rounds 11-15)
41APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 11:14
Notes
Downloadable Excel Spreadsheet has been updated
42Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 11:41
In general, I think once you've made your pick you've made your pick and you shouldn't be allowed to change it. I don't know if anybody even noticed Lazio's change (I didn't), but just for future reference, I think it would be a good policy to establish that from here on out, once you type a pick into the draft thread, you can't take it back. I think we can leave Lazio's last pick alone and just make sure everyone is aware of this moving forward.
43Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 11:47
I'm down with being a bit flexible with wiggs. In general, I think we're still moving at a decent pace... we've tailed off just a bit from 2.5 rounds per day (finished 9.5 rounds in first 4 days instead of 10)... but we should still be able to complete by the end of next week barring a major slowdown.
45Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 11:49
By the way wiggs, hope your wife's grandmama gets well soon!!!!
46APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 12:09
LAZIO, I Noticed. I already had put Muhammad on your team on the website. No, what you did was not legal, but we'll let you slide since I didnt post that in the rules and since no one else made a selection...
47APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 12:10
Also, I have beebops queue from yesterday. I'm going to let his time expire before making his pick.
48mike
      ID: 5742211
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 12:18
I'm here and ready to pick (haven't fully caught up yet) just thought I'd share
49APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 12:53
After further review, I dont feel comfortable making beebops selection with his old queue. His team has new needs and I'll just wait for him to come. He can make his picks up when he gets back...
50APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 13:30
I have wiggs queue...
51APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 14:44
At 3:00 pm EST dwfffan can pick...
52dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 14:51
Dont you have a queue for dwfffan (post 23)?
53Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 14:52
AP10 wasn't someone supposed to call Monk and make a pick for him?
54Nerfherders
      ID: 308512415
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 15:36
I'm picking in an hour if nobody picks.
55Bags @ work
      ID: 146381416
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 16:23
AP10 I sent you a queue for my next pick. Thanks!
56beebop
      ID: 53711916
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 16:26
Im here.......picking soon.
57APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 16:38
shoot...I forgot I have to call Art. Nerf, you can pick in a few min after I call him and make his selection.
58Nerfherders
      ID: 308512415
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 16:39
I picked. 11.8 is on the clock.
59APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 16:39
Art is in a meeting until 5pm EST. I will pick shortly after that time. Nerf, fire away...
60APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 16:52
Well this is great...Art left me a 9 digit phone number! Lol...I'm pretty sure every US phone number is 10 digits ;) Later tonight, I will call Art's friend Bossman and see if he has his number. Until then, I guess we will continue the draft...
61mike
      ID: 5742211
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 17:07
damn all you, taking my players :P

I keep getting scooped more then usual this draft. we must all have the same books
62beebop
      ID: 53711916
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 17:16
lol mike.......i dont even have a book...... i just go along, and ill be looking at drafting someone....then oh crap, i forgot i needed a kicker.....lol
63Nerfherders
      ID: 308512415
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 17:33
Have you checked if the number spells 'ARTOFMONK'? :)
64beebop
      ID: 53711916
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 18:04
Left a que with derek. Im off to work soon.
65mike
      ID: 387192216
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 18:07
I'm sending my queue off for my next pick now. out for the night. see you tomorrow
66APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 19:24
I'm going out for the night with my girlfriend. I think we might as well put the draft on SUSPEND for the night. I have a gazillion queues, wiggs isnt around, cant get ahold of Art, and I wont be here either. If picks get made, great, if they dont, there is no time limit. The clock will resume tomorrow morning at 9am EST.
67APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Fri, Aug 22, 2003, 21:47
Thanks to Bossman, I was able to piece together Art of Monks phone number and get in contact with him...
68IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 07:09
i've a little request, if it's not a problem:
it regards the list at the top of the draft thread containing all the picks team by team. can we make it by positions instead that by contract years? it would help a lot if you've to control your choices......thanks!!!!
69APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 08:57
LAZIO, You can view that information on the league website. Click on each teams helmet and it gives you a position-by-position breakdown.
70IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 49728219
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 09:00
i knew, i just wanted to say that it would be easier and faster if we could have it on the top of the drafting thread......
71APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 09:18
Downloadable Excel Spreadsheet has been updated.
72wiggs@inlaws
      ID: 191127230
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 10:52
hey guys, thanks for all the support. I am leaving to go back to the hospital now. Things seem to be a bit better but i will be away most of the day again today, Feel free to pick for me or skip me if needed. Derek, i dont know if any one is left in my queue, i dont have time to really go through this thing right now. I trust your judgement. Thanks again.
wiggs
73APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 12:51
I'm not sure where everyone is. I currently have 0 queues...beebop is on the clock. Nerf & dwfffan can pick when they get back.
74Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 12:59
AP10, if your feeling lonely I can send you a queue. ;)
75mike
      ID: 477122313
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 14:17
I'm here but I'm not picking for a bit, hehe
76IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 14:35
i just picked because beebop's time expired, or so i thought......did i do the right thing?
77APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 14:49
Yeah...you could pick.
78APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 14:53
dwfffan is on the clock
79Nerfherders
      ID: 43818813
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 15:22
I was asleep! It's Saturday! Not all of us are on Eastern time remember :)
80APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 15:45
Your clock ran out at 12:45. The day is almost over!
81beebop
      ID: 53711916
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 16:47
What about my que from yesterday????
82Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 18:22
13.5 Art of Monk - time expired
13.6 dwfffan - you're up... time expires 7:50pm EST
83Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 00:12
Who's pick will it be in the morning, I lost track?
84Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 00:52
13.7 Nerfherders - picked at 20:46
13.8 dgrooves - expired at 22:16, can pick anytime
13.9 wiggs - expired at 23:46, can pick anytime
13.10 Mike - currently up, expires at 10:16 EST
13.11 Bags - on deck

There is at least one other "makeup" pick to be made
(prior to 13.7)
85APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 01:03
God please help our draft...

I'm picking for wiggs and I'm using Mike's old queue...

dwfffan has missed 3 picks in the last 2 rounds.
86APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 01:05
Bags is on the clock starting at 9am EST Sunday morning
87Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 01:27
I should check back in at 10am EST. I hope Ike left a queue with AP10.
88Art of Monk
      ID: 127392513
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 02:03
Sorry that I held up the draft with the phone number problem and today my flight only got delayed 3.5 hrs. I should have called ap10 but phone also went dead after 2hrs. in the airport.
89dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 08:11
Art, Bags picked Miami OL at 9.11, so your 13.05 pick is invalid.
90Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 11:07
dwf, Kevin Johnson was taken by beebop at 12.9
91dwfffan
      ID: 11749167
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 11:41
OK, I shall fix it then.
92mike
      ID: 527112411
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 12:30
I'm back all. thanks Derek for using the old queue. I would of sent a queue but thought I'd get online before my pick.

now I just want to know why 2 years in a row, I draft someone and then they get hurt that week. oh the joys of preseason :)
93dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 15:57
Well we seem to have hit a wall; 0 picks in 4 hours. Nerf and dwfffan have timed out and Art's got about a half hour left.
94mike
      ID: 557272413
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 16:23
I'm not too worried. we still have a week and a half to go. it is sunday.
95wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 27735145
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 16:31
hey guys, i am back in town. Thank you so much for all your help with my team and your understanding. I really do appriciate everything.

My wife grandmother seems to be doing ok, she has alot of swelling, but the immediate danger is in the past, atleast lets hope so.
again, thank you.
96Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 16:35
Art Detroit ST was already taken by Doug with the 6-11 pick.
97mike
      ID: 557272413
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 16:59
welcome back wiggs. good to hear things seem ok.
98mike
      ID: 557272413
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 17:33
alright I'm outta here for the day. I sent a queue off. have a good one all
99Nerfherders
      ID: 43818813
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 19:37
I was at all three games of the Rockies-Braves this weekend. I left a queue last night I wonder why it wasnt used for my round 14 pick? Oh well, I picked.
100APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Sun, Aug 24, 2003, 21:41
When your queue was left, I was under the assumption if was for your next pick since you were going to be at the game Saturday night. You never mentioned anything about Sunday. After your pick was made your queue was deleted for obvious reasons...
101beebop
      ID: 53711916
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 03:27
Havent checked yet....gonna pick soon if i need to...... We had a massive storm and have had power outages.....sorry for the hold up.
102dgrooves
      ID: 444581317
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 09:02
Can someone please explain to me why beebop has picked three players with his 13.04 pick?

He picked Donovin Darius, DB Jac at about 5pm on Saturday. Then he picked Aaron Schobel, DL Buf at 4am today, but wiggs had already picked him. Then he picked Peter Boulware, LB Bal at 4:30.

What was wrong with the Darius pick?
103APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 09:47
No. Beebops 13.4 selection is Darius. Boulware is still available....he must've forgot he picked Darius???
104APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 09:55
Doug's time expired at 11:10pm EST last night...
LAZIO's time expired at 9:40pm EST today...
(These selections can be made whenever they return)
105Nerfherders
      ID: 308512415
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 11:09
Yay for Beebop thoroughly confusing me!
106Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 12:01
dwfffan has timed out, Nerf you are up.
107Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 12:10
Great job Nerf!

dgrooves your up.
108mike
      ID: 53742512
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 13:07
hey all, I'm here so I can pick

but what about schobel, is he available then?
109Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 14:11
Did Wiggs send in a gueue? His time is about to expire.

Mike are you ready?
110mike
      ID: 53742512
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 14:24
I've already picked, but still wondering about my question :)
111Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 14:36
Mike, are you asking about Aaron Schobel,DL BUF? He was taken 13-9 by Wiggs.

Or do you mean Matt Schobel, TE CIN? He has not been taken yet.

Ike is up.
112mike
      ID: 53742512
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 14:38
k thanks for clarifying. the whole aaron schobel thing confused me. confusion gone now
113Bags
      ID: 217221719
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 14:59
I wanted to get my next pick in before I left for work, doesn't look like it will happen.

I am sending a queue to AP10.
114beebop
      ID: 53711916
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 15:05
Sorry.....i thought we had gone through 2 rounds since id last seen it......lol.......the third one was coz id seen the second one was taken.

oh well, i tried ;)
115wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 27735145
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 15:57
bags, i see your post that my time is almost up, but i dont think it is my pick is it?
116Nerfherders
      ID: 308512415
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 16:14
Who's pick is it? 15.12?

I'm so confused!
117beebop
      ID: 53711916
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 16:18
lol....no idea nerf, sorry

Derek, can you just keep using that last que i sent you please??
Thanx. im off
118Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 31649212
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 16:37
Pick 15.12 (Ike) expired at 15:58.
Pick 16.1 (Ike?) is up and expires at 17:28.
Pick 16.2 (Bags?) will be up thereafter.

I am unsure on who owns 16.1 and 16.2 because I don't know if they were traded or not. There should be a new thread created for rounds 16-20 (or even 16-23 if people don't mind the length).

HTH!
119APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 535572315
      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 17:26
New Draft Thread (Rounds 16-20)

Bags is on the clock.
120mike
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      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 17:41
bags sent a queue he said in 113
121ART of MONK
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      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 17:47
I like the new spread sheet. Does anyone else think we should start another discussion thread?
122APerfect10
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      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 17:48
I'll get the new thread started in a sec.

Mike's up...
123APerfect10
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      Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 17:51
New Discussion Thread
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