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Subject: Gurupie 24 Pre-season Discussion
Posted by: Ref
- Donor [27016179] Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 21:59
Again, great job on the draft. That went even smoother than I'd hoped. We certainly do have a great bunch of managers!
Housekeeping matters:
*rfs has been working 12-14 hour days 7 days/week and has had no time to get the schedule done. He's working on that now and hopes to have it done before this weekend games
*Waivers: I have not started them at this moment but have the settings ready to go. Please make sure I have the order correct (reverse of draft order). I hope to have them started no later than tomorrow (Tuesday)
*Waiver Settings: 2 day waiver period initially then on released players. Waiver order is year-long and will not reset each week. There are unlimted waiver pickups
*Trade deadline is the day before the first game of week 12. That's a Wed. this year 11/26/03
*Playoffs: Remember we start playoffs in week 13 and scrap week 17 altogether
*I want to send out a mass email before starting waivers and to make sure that I haven't made any mistakes |
| 1 | rockafellerskank
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ID: 461124288
Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 22:05
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Thanks Ref. I did take of Sunday afternoon to watch AZ get beat by CHI, but yes, I have been working 12 hours per day lately.
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| 2 | StLCards
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ID: 133252814
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 09:34
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Is every player going to be on waivers for 2 days following every game like last year?
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| 3 | penngray
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ID: 177192518
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 10:03
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What is the date for waiver executions?
Sorry if its obvious to others, I cant find it.
thanks
penn
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| 4 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 10:57
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I have to physically start the waivers process which I'm inclined to do in the next few mins. since I've seen no problems and everyone should have had a chance to see the email/bb/this thread.
StL, I'm copying this from Help Rules under League Transactions:
Transactions: • Lineup deadline is 5 minutes before gametime for each player.
• Owners may set lineups.
• Add/drops are handled by a waivers process.
• The waivers process runs on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
• Dropped players remain on waivers for at least 2 day(s).
• Trades must be approved by the commissioner.
• No trades can be made after the trade deadline of 11/26/03.
Note if there is a Thursday game, there will not be a waivers process once that week's games start just like it was on Sunday. That means it will be a short week. However, we are again using the 5 mins before YOUR game starts, not before the first game of the week. So if you have players on Sunday and one player on Thursday, you may change players that are not affected by Thursday's games.
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| 5 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 11:11
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Attention!
Waivers have been started!
Once this period is over the rest of the players will be free agents (unless they were released within last 2 days at which time they will go back into the waivers process).
Good Luck and here's to another fun season!
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| 6 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 11:35
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When I started waivers, the priority list defaulted again and I had to manually reset them. At least Buffalo's priority position was correct! Thanks to Peter N for the heads up. Everything should be correct now.
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| 7 | rockafellerskank
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ID: 461124288
Wed, Aug 27, 2003, 22:13
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The schedule is done. Sorry for the long delay, but I had to enter 13 weeks x 24 teams by hand so that it works the way it did last year. The format is as follows:
13 weeks regular season
playoffs weeks 14,15,16
week 17 is scrapped
You will play each team in your division 1X each (5)
You will play each team in your conference-other division 1X each (6)
You will play 2 inter-conference games (2)
You will not play the same team 2X.
The last 2 weeks of reg season are against teams in your division on purpose because you may be battling for playoff spots.
D = Division Game
C = Conference game
I = Inter-conference game
week 1 = d
2 = c
3 = c
4 = d
5 = I
6 = c
7 = c
8 = d
9 = I
10 = c
11 = c
12 = d
13 = d
Please let mw know of you find anythingin yor team's schedule that doesn't jive with what i have stated above.
FYI- home/away doesn't matter, it was just easier to track who plyed whom the way I have it laid out. The teams you play were selected in random order, luck of the draw for Inter-conference games.
PS Miami looks wierd (NFC teams) because it was re-named from WASH cause deepsnapper was getting a rash. ;)
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| 8 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Wed, Aug 27, 2003, 22:47
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Yeah, I forgot about that aspect of the division when I allowed ds to have Miami. I'm sure he would have taken the other choices had I given those to him.
Thanks for your hard work rfs.
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| 9 | rockafellerskank
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ID: 461124288
Wed, Aug 27, 2003, 22:48
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Looking forward to week #4, Ref! ;)
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| 10 | StLCards
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ID: 133252814
Thu, Aug 28, 2003, 09:36
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You will not play the same team 2X.
SF49ers plays StLRams twice. Week 4 and 13. AND that is not a match up I like either!
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| 11 | rockafellerskank
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ID: 461124288
Thu, Aug 28, 2003, 09:38
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Frick! I'll edit it and correct tonight....
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| 12 | StLCards
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ID: 133252814
Thu, Aug 28, 2003, 09:48
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Does the "On the Block" section ever get updated? It still shows people that aren't even on the respective fantasy team anymore.
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| 13 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Thu, Aug 28, 2003, 10:34
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StL, You have to update them individually.
rfs, while you're editing, you can take that game 1 against AP10 away. Hate that we have to play each other right off the bat. Then playing you in week 4?!?! Wow, how'd I get stuck in such a tough division with you guys?!?! It's no wonder I didn't win best reg. season record last year.
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| 14 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 16:29
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Please check your schedules immediately!
Just found another glitch that will alter, Balt., Jax and Buffalo's schedule.
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| 15 | APerfect10
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ID: 535572315
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 17:12
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Here is my suggestion for scheduling equality...
Since every team plays their own division 1x and everyone in their division plays another division 1x that leaves 2 non-conference games.
The only fair way to assess the teams is based on either total pts scored in 2002 (most accurate) or record in 2002. That being said...
Each team per conference should be ranked 1 through 12 based on either total 2002 pts or 2002 record. If your 1 non conference game is versus the 12 ranked team, your other non conference game should be versus the #1 team. If your first non-conf. game is versus the #10 ranked team, your 2nd non conf game should be versus the #3 ranked team.
This is the only way to make the schedule equal for everyone...
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| 16 | StLCards
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ID: 133252814
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 17:23
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Unless you want to have a strength of schedule factor, which I am in favor of. Not sure what the weighting would be or how the NFL does it, but the first place team last year should have tougher (based on last year's standings) non conference games than the last place team, IMO.
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| 17 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 17:25
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Well the first game is Thursday so we hope to have this fixed tonight. Found three other teams with errors but think that's it. rfs is aware and working on them.
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| 18 | APerfect10
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ID: 535572315
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 17:37
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Unless you want to have a strength of schedule factor
I have no problem with that either...
Either way is much better than a total randomness of selecting 2 of the 12 non conference teams to play.
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| 19 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 17:47
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Guys, rfs and I do not have any problems with either suggestion. Problem is that rfs is doing the schedule and is overloaded at work. He knows about those 6 teams and can fix that but if you want to implement your suggestions for this year you may have to assist us tonight. I am not overloaded but do have plans that are firm but can be around a little bit anyhow tonight.
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| 20 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 18:10
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ap10 has a new plan that puts his and stl's idea into place and should be easy to imp. Gonna look at it and hope to have the errors corrected and the new interconference schedule done tonight.
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| 21 | APerfect10
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ID: 535572315
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 18:52
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The more I analyze this there appears no systematic fair way to implement a SOS schedule using 2 games and 2 conferences of 12 teams. If someone could implement one, please let me know ASAP.
Otherwise, there is a very systematic way to implement to balanced schedule which is what I have done.
Personally, I would love to do a SOS type of deal but I just cant see it being implemented correctly with the parameters we have...
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| 22 | StLCards
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ID: 133252814
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 19:00
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Maybe we should just go with what is easiest at this point and think of SOS for the future. The faster this gets resolved the better.
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| 23 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 19:34
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deepsnapper asked to have his name changed from Miami to Philly to conform with our NFC and AFC alignment schedules and I have changed his team once again. Now he won't stick out like a sore thumb. This was my mistake for not catching it when he asked for Miami originally but he came to us asking to change to Philly.
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| 24 | deepsnapper
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ID: 17103420
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 19:38
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Ref is correct. I made the request over AIM because the schedule really did look odd with Miami playing all those NFC teams. (Peter N - they've got defibulators in each dorm dude).
ds
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| 25 | GoatLocker
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ID: 60151121
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 21:12
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I play Oakland twice, and don't play Houston.
Otherwise, it looks good
Cliff
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| 26 | GoatLocker
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ID: 60151121
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 21:12
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San Diego Chargers that is.
Cliff
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| 27 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 21:23
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This is the last year that I make out the schedule while drunk. ;)
I'll have it fixed a few minutes. Of course, I did just get my copy of "Office Space" today....
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| 28 | skinneej
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ID: 40625911
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 21:26
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Ha, Office Space. Great Movie. I swear I could pick out everyone I work with in that movie.
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| 29 | APerfect10
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ID: 535572315
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 21:30
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I was wondering why I had all road games ;)
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| 30 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 21:34
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AP10 and myself just reworked weeks 5 and 9. He did an equality of schedule. Couldn't do a SOS schedule w/o numbers. Actually AP10 did the schedule and I put it in ;)
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| 31 | deepsnapper
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ID: 17103420
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 22:39
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My team, Philidelphia plays Dallas 2x (wks 4 & 12) within division & doesn't play division mate St. Louis .
I play 5 games vs NFC North, 2 games vs AFC West, and 1 game vs AFC East opponent look fine to me. ;)
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| 32 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 22:49
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ds, Seattle makes me think that they are in AFC West still, but they are in NFC now. Your dallas game has to be fixed though with StL replacing them on your schedule. Every fix creates a domino effect.
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| 33 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Sep 02, 2003, 22:52
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Each AFC team will play two NFC teams and vice versa. They are in weeks 5 and 9. AP10 redid those schedules and based them on last year's final standings. You will play everyone in your conference once.
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| 34 | deepsnapper
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ID: 17103420
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 09:47
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Thanks Ref. my only concern was the double Dallas dip and no St. Louis trip. Thought I'd better shout that out real quick. ;-()
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| 35 | StLCards
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ID: 133252814
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 10:08
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Looks like I (SF) play St. Louis twice wk 4 and 13. Give my week 4 St. Louis matchup to Phi. and his Dallas matchup to me. We are all in the same division so nothing should be messed up conference wise and I don't play Dallas (which I should anyway).
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| 36 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 10:43
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CBS site wasn't working last night much at all. I don't know if rfs was able to get all those fixes in. Worse case scenario is that AP10 and I get together and use a program that will re-write the schedule's remaining 11 games. That may even be faster than trying to corral all those domino effects fixing one mistake sometimes creates.
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| 37 | StLCards
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ID: 133252814
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 11:07
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I would say that rfs has not had a chance to fix the schedule because my problem is the same as I reported in post #10. Switching my week 4 with deepsnappers week 4 should at least fix both of our problems without other ripple effects (I'm pretty sure anyway...hard to be 100% about any of this)
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| 38 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 11:46
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Just talked to rfs. He is tied up all day. AP10 and I will rewrite the schedule today and have it in place. You will still play the same teams--just may be in different weeks (weeks 5 and 9 will remain the same).
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| 39 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 15:06
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The revised and (Hopefully!) FINAL schedule is complete. Thanks to AP10 for helping me with it. Please check all of your schedules to make sure I didn't make any entry errors. I can't find any thus far.
The schedule was made by randomizing all 12 teams in each conference then running a scheduling program for a 12 team league playing each team once (11 games). Weeks 5 and 9 are the interconference games we scheduled yesterday. Don't worry about home and away.
AP10 just double-checked the schedule and agrees with me that everything is 100% accurate so the schedule is now final. Now I got to go see who I play when!!! ;)
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| 40 | APerfect10
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ID: 535572315
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 15:08
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Ok, the schedule is officially finished. The 11 inter-conference games are totally random. The 2 non-conference games are not random and were made for each team in the league to face a team last year with a combined .500 record and similar points. Therefore, everyone in the league should basically have an even 0.500 opponents 2002 record and points are within a dozen so the schedule is basically 100% fair to everyone involved....
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| 41 | StLCards
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ID: 133252814
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 15:08
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I'm assuming that rfs's post 7 is scrapped as far as playing 2 division games to end the season? just asking, hope I'm not too premature :)
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| 42 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 15:10
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Ugh. That may have to be scrapped. I'll talk to AP10 and see if we want to try to manually change anything, but my guess is no, because then the human element is involved and it won't be totally randomized.
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| 43 | APerfect10
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ID: 535572315
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 15:11
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The 2 final games arent necessarily division or non-division games. They are interconference games however. Personally, while it would be nice to have 2 division games to end the year, the chances of a meaningful matchup arent that great anyways. There will probably be as much of a battle for wild card spots as there is for division titles.
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| 44 | APerfect10
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ID: 535572315
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 15:13
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I second Ref's sentiments. The schedule we made was 100% random. For us to manually change stuff would ruin the random element and I dont think would be good. Plus it would be extremely difficult getting things to match up due to the domino affect.
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| 45 | StLCards
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ID: 133252814
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 15:13
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My vote would be to let it stand as it is. A lot of work has been put into it already and the chance for mistakes will increase with more manual adjustments. maybe I should check my matchups first though ;)
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| 46 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 149272511
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 15:17
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Mine looks good now.
Cliff
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| 47 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 15:26
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Guys, I'm sorry but I have to make a Commish decision and tell you the schedule is final as it is. Games start tomorrow and I'm not taking a chance of messing it up. AP10 and I have worked hard on it and even had to start over once after getting over half of it done. IF anyone should see an error that ap10 and I have made please bring it to my attn., but otherwise I'm not going to change it anymore. Season starts tomorrow. Best of Luck!!!
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| 48 | rockafellerskank
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ID: 27652109
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 15:28
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Ref & AP10, Thanks for the help. I agree, let's keep the schedule and roll with it. It won't matter what 13 teams i beat in what order this year!
;)
rfs (eating lunch at desk before going back to work) ;(
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| 49 | StLCards
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ID: 133252814
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 15:31
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Mine looks good, and I even get to whoop up on rfs this year :)
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| 50 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 15:41
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I also want to give props to AP10 for coming up with the weighted schedule for inter-conference games.
Those were his ideas and will make sure that the last year's top teams don't get too weaker teams and last year's weaker teams don't get two hard teams from last year. There wasn't enough teams to do more than the way he came up with and the only Strength of Schedule we had were simply last year's records (and points to break ties).
This "equality of scheduling" as AP10 dubbed it was more fair than simply at random as no one could LUCK into two "easy" games while the team competing with that team had to play two "very tough" matchups.
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| 51 | StLCards
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ID: 133252814
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 16:45
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I have gone through and examined the schedule of every team and everything looks good. Let the games begin!
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| 52 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 19:49
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Thanks RFS for the replies. I understand I may get a little redundant with my gripes, however I think it is ridiculous that somebody in a dedicated league like this pay no attention to anybody at all.
THK
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| 53 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Wed, Sep 03, 2003, 20:47
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THK, Not making any excuses for anyone, but I just found out he just got married and recently returned from his honeymon (seriously). Try him one more time via e-mail. I suspect he will reply. Put something like "G24 fantasy football trade offer" in your e-mail header.
rfs
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| 54 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 13:50
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Just checked, every team is checking out as ok. No warnings so we're all set and legal as of now.
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| 55 | Doug
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ID: 4859218
Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 19:04
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FYI, I'm working with intermittent/limited web access until Sept. 16th... if you want to talk to me about trades, etc. probably best to email at: turbulent_bliss@yahoo.com
If anyone is interested, the event I am working has a great website... www.subaruprimalquest.com. Once the race starts the site will be updated with GPS tracking info for all the teams so you can follow them from day to day, etc.
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| 56 | rockafellerskank
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ID: 461124288
Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 21:57
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Has anyone else looked the slick new real-time scoreboard on CBS? I like it. Keeps track of players remaining and even player-minutes remainng, you can also see who is on the field, who is in the red zone and what the other match up scores are all on 1 simple screen.
I hope their server holds up on Sunday.
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| 57 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 00:40
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Yeah it is truly impressive. Was checking on our defensive scores but didn't get a good look at just one game. Also looked and looked for who had Betts, but I finally saw that Goatlocker didn't start him. He didn't have a huge day but 77 yds was more of an impact than I thought he'd make.
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| 58 | GoatLocker
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ID: 60151121
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 01:00
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Yeah, wasn't kicking myself too bad, but let's see how long til he's the #1.
That's what I was hoping when I took him.
Also, doesn't hurt being a Hawkeye fan.
Cliff
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| 59 | StLCards
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ID: 133252814
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 13:16
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rfs/Ref - what about negative points for negative yards, does that have to be manually adjusted again this year. C. Martin -7yds receiving.
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| 60 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 16:15
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Son of a ^&$*&$#^()&(#$#!!)&%)&#!%^$!&)*!!!!!!!!!
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| 61 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 16:29
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Gang, I went in and tried to specifically add negative values and it wouldn't let me do it. It's not a problem with the actual assigned negative vale, but the range where there is an issue. I could get technical and explain but it's not worth it. I have sent the question to CBS asking how to do it if it is possible. Since my assigned value is .1 per yd, you'd think that -7X.1 would do the trick, but since the -7 is below the range of 1, it discards it altogether. I tried -1 to -100 and -100 to -1 but the values can not leave a gap. Hopefully we can get this working automatically. When you start messing with scores manually, all sorts of stuff can happen.
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| 62 | skinneej
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ID: 40625911
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 17:30
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I say we don't count negative yards at all (or at least for week 1)! ;)
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| 63 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 27652109
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 17:35
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I'm pretty sure we are going to have to adjust them manually. It's not that big of deal, just takes 15-30 minutes every Tuesday morning to perform a sweep.
[Ref can do it ;) ]
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