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Subject: RQFL #1 - Discussion Thread #2
Posted by: youngroman
- [206491016] Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 09:36
here the link to the first discussion thread in the football forum: discussion thread #1
order of picking your draft position:
1.1----youngroman / youngroman\'s Luschen
1.2----Tree / Ric Flair\'s slap!
1.3----WiddleAvi / WiddleAvi\'s Dolphins
1.4----wiggs / wiggs
1.5----Toral / Toral Bills
1.6----Pancho Villa / Weedeaters
1.7----Species / Endangered Species
1.8----dwfffan / dwfffan
1.9----loki / New York Titans
1.10----I_AM_CANADIAN / I_AM_CANADIAN
1.11----Slowhand / Slowhand
1.12----Bandos / Bandos
1.13----TaRhEElKiD / Fantasy Thugs
1.14----Art Of Monk / ArtofMonk
this means not that I will pick first in the draft, that means I will pick first at which position I will draft.
when the draft positions are picked I'll set up the "real" draft thread including the draft order.
The draft will officially begin on Aug 18. If you want to start earlier than that feel free to do so. As some managers have expressed they will be not (that) available in the first week and on the weekends, I'll say that we should not look on the clock too much in the first week. Lets see how things progress and after a week I'll see if we really need a 6-hour clock.
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| 1 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 09:52
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in my rqbl we used a 6 hour clock extended to 12 hours on the weekends. even with this the draft at times went excruciatingly slowly. i think that we should use a clock from the beginning of the draft along with the understanding that queues should be utilized liberally.
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| 2 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 09:53
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Roster:
QB 1
RB 2
WR 3
TE 1
K 1
Defense 1
DL 1 to 3
LB 0 to 2
DB 0 to 2
max. starting players: 12
max. bench players: 8
no injured reserve slots
max. roster size: 20
schedule:
week 1 to 13: regular season
week 14 to 16: playoffs
playoffs:
rd1: #1-#8, #2-#7, #3-#6, #4-#5
rd2: #1/#8-#4/#5, #2/#7-#3/#6
rd3: final
seeds:
#1-#6 based on W/L, points
#7,#8: best 2 remaining teams based on points
transactions:
players are locked 5 minutes before the start of their game, all players are subject to weekly waivers (ends on Wed), each dropped player is on 2 day waivers. trades will be reviewed by the league. trade deadline is at the end of the regular season
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| 3 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 09:55
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yr-please see my post on the football forum. thanks.-l
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| 4 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 10:07
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scoring (all stats in decimal format)
passing:
1pt/25yds
4pts/TD
1pt/2pt-conversion
rushing:
1pt/10yds
6pts/TD
2pts/2pt-conversion
reveiving:
1pt/10yds
6pts/TD
2pts/2pt-conversion
kicking:
1pt/FG attempt 30 to 100
3pts/ 1 to 29 Yards FG
2pts/ 30 to 39 Yards FG (= 3pts with 1pt from attempt)
3pts/ 40 to 49 Yards FG (= 4pts with 1pt from attempt)
4pts/ 50 to 100 Yards FG (=5pts with 1 pt from attempt)
1pt/PAT
-1pt/missed FG
-1pt/missed PAT
turnovers:
-2pt/INT or fumble
returns:
1pt/25 kick return yards
1pt/10 punt return yards
6pts/return TD (kick, punt, blocked kick)
IDP:
2pts/blocked kick (FG or PAT)
6pts/TD (fumble or INT)
3pts/safety
1pt/fumble recovery
1pt/fumble forced
2pts/INT
2pts/sack
1pt/tackle
0.5pts/assisted tackle
1pt/pass defensed
defense team:
6pts/TD (fumble or INT or blocked kick)
3pts/safety
2pts/fumble recovery
2pts/INT
1pt/sack
2pts/blocked kick (FG or PAT)
10pts/shutout
7pts/1-6 pts allowed
4pts/7-13 pts allowed
1pt/14-20 pts allowed
0pt/21-27 pts allowed
-1pt/28-34 pts allowed
-4 pts/35+ pts allowed
scoring should be identical with RIFL
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| 5 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 10:20
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because I'm first I'll take
draft pick #7
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| 6 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 11:02
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hmmm...we really are trying to make this confusing. lol...
draft pick#6
(it also appears that someone in our league has NOT signed up yet - i think either Loki or I_AM_Canadian)
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| 7 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 11:26
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Tree - you are taking care of wiggs, Bandos got his invatation to a new e-mail-address yesterday and should join us on Monday. ArtOfMonk is the only one who is really missing at the moment, haven't heard of him since Tuesday.
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| 8 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 12:53
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ah. got it. hopefully Wiggs will pick his draft spot before he goes - he didn't give me any indication for that. i dont think we knew we were doing that...
roman - check the yahoo site again. Bandos, Wiggs, and Art of Monk are all signed up.
it's either Loki or I_AM_Canadian who is not signed up yet (whichever one is NOT "New York Titans")
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| 9 | WiddleAvi
ID: 582361912
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 14:31
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I will take
Draft Position #8
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| 10 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 15:54
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Sorry for taking so long to log into Yahoo. I had tried, but the password listed was wrong. I only got the official invite today at 2:42PM.
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| 11 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 16:42
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re:#10-should you not be logging into rotoworld, not yahoo?
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| 12 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 17:58
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re 11 - he is now logged into both, with Rotoworld the primary league and yahoo for research purposes because in Rotoworld last years stats and rankings are somehow screwed up. It's always good to have a backup.
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| 14 | wiggs
ID: 437421519
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 20:53
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I will take draft spot 2
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| 15 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 21:01
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I will take
Draft Position #5
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| 16 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 21:22
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ya know Toral, it FIGURES you're gonna pick right before me....
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| 17 | Pancho Villa
Sustainer
ID: 533817
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 21:49
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Draft Position #9
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| 18 | Species
ID: 26471422
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 23:10
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Draft Position #4
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| 19 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 23:53
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Nice pick Toral...that is the idea draft position in my mind. Of course it doesn't matter since I am going to be #12-#14 most likely. :-(
THK
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| 20 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 04:16
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recap so far:
1
2 wiggs / wiggs
3
4 Species / Endangered Species
5 Toral / Toral Bills
6 Tree / Ric Flair\'s slap!
7 youngroman / youngroman\'s Luschen
8 WiddleAvi / WiddleAvi\'s Dolphins
9 Pancho Villa / Weedeaters
10
11
12
13
14
still to pick:
1.8----dwfffan / dwfffan
1.9----loki / New York Titans
1.10----I_AM_CANADIAN / I_AM_CANADIAN
1.11----Slowhand / Slowhand
1.12----Bandos / Bandos
1.13----TaRhEElKiD / Fantasy Thugs
1.14----Art Of Monk / ArtofMonk
TaRhEElKiD - but with this position you can be sure to get 2 real starting backs instead of one and one that shares duties with someone else.
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| 21 | dwfffan
ID: 39723157
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 07:35
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Draft Position #3
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| 22 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 08:06
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The ideal middle draft positions have been taken leaving the decision between #1 and #14. In my RBQL I had the 15th pick and fared reasonably well. However being a NY football fan, I am sure that I can figure out how to waste a number one pick. Therefore draft position #1.
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| 23 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 09:13
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I'll take draft position #12
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| 24 | Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 09:50
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Draft position #10.
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| 25 | Bandos
ID: 167221614
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 15:40
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draft position 11
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| 26 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 15:44
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I will take draft position #13 and thus leaving ArtofMonk with draft postion #14. This concludes the draft for pick position! ;-) Too bad my spot SUCKS but let's do this!
THK
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| 27 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 16:02
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here is the draft thread
the draft discussion will remain here
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| 28 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 16:28
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I am interested to see how our league's draft begins compared to the Invitational League...
THK
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| 29 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 16:31
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RE: 20/YR
Who said I would take 2 RBs with my first 2 picks? I have a guy I am hoping to get at 13...if not, no telling what position I take.
THK
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| 30 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 16:59
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THK - it was only a guess. looking at other drafts this strategy is used very often when having a high 1st/low 2nd round pick. I don't know if this type of strategy is the one to go. I'm pretty sure that I will take one with my 1st pick.
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| 31 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 17:11
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I know YOU will but looking at some projections I am not so sure what I will do yet. Some RBs that have murky situations for a top 2 picks...
THK
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| 32 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 17:30
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just checked my draft sheet/projections and agree with you. There will be some very interesting draft strategies used in this draft with that many question marks about some players.
I hope I can stick with my initial plan.
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| 33 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 17:39
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I just hope I get my player...I have seen him ranked anywhere from 10 to 15.
Those of you who know who I am talking about...shhhhh! ;-)
THK
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| 34 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 19:05
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i most likely will not make my pick until the 18th as am vacillating between holmes and tomlinson. all things being equal i would much prefer holmes, but his age and injury potential are making me lean towards tomlinson. i need that day to sort things out. having the first draft pick, i am not giving away a strategic decision.
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| 35 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 21:52
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oh come on. you don't need that long to make the decision.
seriously. just make the pick. you really don't need that long.
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| 36 | Species
ID: 26471422
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 23:18
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loki living up to his mythological heritage.
Just make the (bleep)ing pick dude. Can't be that hard.
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| 37 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 23:54
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i mean, you've got me holding Wiggs queue because he's out of town, and i'm gonna be out of town all weekend, and i'd like to get my pick in too.
there's no reason to stall. it's not that hard of a choice that you have to spend 50 hours debating it.
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| 38 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 00:55
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errr... I would like to get this draft started too.
I don't see the need for anyone to take more than the afore-mentioned 8 hour window to make their pick.
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| 39 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 01:01
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I don't see the point in taking that long either; however, the draft hasn't begun so I guess he has that right...even though it may not make sense to the rest of us.
THK
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| 40 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 08:45
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Makes sense to me. Take your time. You only get 1 #1 pick, and there's no do-overs.
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| 41 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 09:19
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what is relevant is that the draft progress quickly once it has begun, not whether it begins on 8/16,8/17, or 8/18. if players use the full time alotted to them on the clock, we should be able to start playing by the 2006 superbowl. as toral rightly said there are no do overs. think peyton manning/ryan leaf.-l
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| 42 | Tree
ID: 76471215
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 09:52
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Tomlinson/Holmes is not Manning/Leaf.
if the draft begins on 8/18, it will progress a lot slower than if it began on 8/16...
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| 43 | WiddleAvi
ID: 5470911
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 10:45
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Loki - I am fine if you take your full time but I am just curious as to what might sway your opinion between now and tomorrow ?? We can knock off an entire round today which is a bid deal considering the season starts in 3 weeks and we have 20 rounds to draft. (Pretty much a round a day INCLUDING weekends).
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| 44 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 13:09
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LT is gone. wiggs you're up.
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| 45 | Tree
ID: 76471215
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 13:15
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just picked for wiggs, who is out of town, from his queue.
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| 46 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 13:23
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Good luck, loki. FWIW, I think you made the right choice.
Toral
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| 47 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 13:55
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Toral will now pick the reason I want #5 in all my drafts (so I think)! ;-)
THK
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| 48 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 14:24
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I hear you THK. Throw a blanket over the guy I picked and the next 2 guys. I have Portis in my in-person money league, so I picked him and can root REALLY hard for him!
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| 49 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 16:35
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Well the first 8 were predictable for sure. All solid picks of course. Good thing I don't pick until after 4 more guys are taken! ;-(
Guru took Daunte in my position...hmmmm...
THK
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| 50 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 19:34
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I don't know if this is important or not, but Bandos doesn't appear to be in the Yahoo League anymore.
It might be best to stay logged into both, having Yahoo as a back up, no?
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| 51 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 19:45
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suggestion: one person,either yr or someone else, be responsible for keeping the draft moving. if it seems likely that a manager is not aware that he/she is up, that person would try to call that manager. this would require a person with the free time to check the draft freqently, and the rest of us not being adverse to e-mailing their cell phone numbers to the responsible party. i am assuming that most of us have access to a cell phone. while i would like to be able to do this, i cannot-l
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| 52 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 20:07
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For reference... If anyone needs to get a hold of me:
AIM: IAMCANADIAN20040
MSN: ben_sigmawave@hotmail.com
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| 54 | Bandos
ID: 167221614
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 09:45
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I have picked
looks like home access is still a day or two away so I have to run to the faculty lounge - not a problem as I live on campus. If I do slow up the draft, I will leave a phone number. As of now, I will be able to check up to 7pm EST and maybe once around 9-9:30 EST
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| 55 | Art of Monk
ID: 32531249
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 10:44
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I am here to pick and I am interested in trading one of my picks. It would have to matchup pretty close with the draft calculator. http://www.kffl.com/draftanalyzer/index.php
I don't want to move too far down, but shoot me an email.
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| 56 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 13:15
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info on the draft clock:
RIFC is using a 8 hour clock between 7am and midnight (both ET). I would use the same clock and see how the draft progresses.
if we fall behind the assumed 1 round/day, we'll have to shorten the clock.
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| 57 | Art of Monk
ID: 32531249
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 13:47
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Once again trying to trade one of my picks here for a 2nd and then swap 4th and 6th rd or something.
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| 58 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 14:46
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Hmmm...will pick shortly, my guy was Barlow. I hated seeing him in the top 12 in the Invite league because I knew that couldn't help. I was hoping #11 and #12 would be worried about SF's O.
THK
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| 59 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 15:02
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Art you are now up 2x or for a trade...
Not happy but I knew what I was dealing with coming in...hopefully with my 2nd pick I can help me out a little more.
THK
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| 60 | Art of Monk
ID: 32531249
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 15:30
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I guess we have no takers with a trade. I will wait for another 30 minutes or so. If I don't get an offers.
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| 61 | Art of Monk
ID: 32531249
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 16:05
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I think it might be helpful if we post with our email address somewhere so tha we can email when it is your pick.
It was tough to pick last. I had several directions but I was worried what was going to left at RB when it got back to me again. Faulk is a risk but at 14, I had to take the risk. D. Davis should be solid and has plenty of time for his ankle to get better and no one should be stealing many carries. I am still willing to trade either player. I guess I will check back in late tonight but I am sure I won't be picking for another 24 or so.
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| 62 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 16:11
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Canadian is up and I notified him. I like my 2nd pick if he can stay healthy.
THK
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| 63 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 16:29
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My Pick is done. Bandos is up.
I put my email address in the column to the left for those who may want to get in contact with me that way.
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| 64 | Bandos
ID: 167221614
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 17:24
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Slowhand is up. I won't be checking back in until Thursday morning if it should get back to me at 3.11.
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| 65 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 17:26
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Wow. We are going in a different path on many players than the Invitational league now.
THK
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| 66 | Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 18:32
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I_AM_CANADIAN is up.
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| 67 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 18:40
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Pancho Villa is up.
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| 68 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 18:52
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I wish I was up... anyways...
Interesting to note that all managers except for Bandos picked at least 1RB in the first two rounds. It'll be interesting to see how many go for two.
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| 69 | Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 18:59
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Sorry,my bad....looking at the wrong draft list
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| 70 | WiddleAvi
ID: 582361912
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 19:27
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YoungRoman - Your up
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| 71 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 20:06
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guys, i'm here. just got home from work..gimme a couple...
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| 72 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 20:23
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picked. completely against my strategy, but i couldn't let him fall any more...
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| 73 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 20:26
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Over to Species
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| 74 | Species
ID: 26471422
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 21:00
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Man this position SUCKS.......I'll pick in a few. I guess I held delusions of grandure that a top WR would fall.
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| 75 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 21:16
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Are we starting draft rationales with round 3? It works best if managers post their 3rd round pick and then their 1st round rationale immediately after. We might start with an rationale for the draft position choice?
Toral
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| 76 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 21:20
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I got mine ready for when it turns around to my turn... so far away.
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| 77 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 21:52
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Species, I would have easily traded you!
THK
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| 78 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 21:57
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did wiggs leave a queue with anyone for round #2?
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| 79 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 21:57
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hey folks - we're at a standstill for awhile...
Wigg's queue is exhausted. it was a fairly long queue, and it just worked out that they all got picked so far.
he's not back until saturday afternoon.
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| 80 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 22:08
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So if he doesn't show to make his pick... then he get's skipped at some point tomorrow morning?
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| 81 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 22:13
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i think this is something the league needs to think about for several reasons.
1. we started early.
2. his queue had probably 15 to 20 players on it.
3. we've got more than 3 weeks to go before the season starts. PLENTY of time.
4. it would be disasterous at this point to skip someone and have them go ballastic and leave the league because of it.
i've played various sports with Wiggs for a few years. he's a good guy, and a good player. i say we give him the benefit of the doubt.
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| 82 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 22:17
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the following was copied from guru's league:
The clock will start on Monday morning. It will initially be set at 8 hours, with a moratorium from approx. midnight-7am EDT. If the clock expires, the next person in line will get to draft, and the skipped drafter will make up his skipped pick whenever he can. The clock will be relaxed or eliminated on weekends. We'll discuss that later in the week, as we see how progress is going. We need to average about one round per day, so we cannot afford to have many picks time out.
if we are folowing his rules, which i believe we are, my clock will begin at 3pm edt tomorrow. i will then make a pick as soon as i am able to get computer access.-loki
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| 83 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 22:20
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well, since you're deciding you run this league, and you're gonna be a prick about it, i'll drop out as soon as you pick. it's that simple.
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| 84 | WiddleAvi
ID: 582361912
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 22:29
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Tree- No offense but waiting till Sat. Is quite a bit. The season begins in 21 Days (Opening day is Thur. nite). We did almost 2 rounds which leaves us 18 rounds in 21 days and that includes weekends. We wait till Sat. and that leaves us at 18 rounds in 19 days. We moved at a nice pace today and got 1 round done. I have to imagine it will not move as fast over the weekend. I am sure Wiggs is a great guy. Saying your gonna drop out if his pick gets skipped makes you the prick not Loki.
My opinion is that someone outside of this league should make the pick for him.
YoungRoman is the commish so I guess he should decide what happens.
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| 85 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 22:29
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Ummm... I think we might be jumping the gun a little here. I don't think someone should just drop out, nor do I think that someone's pick should be skipped without discussing it first.
As mentioned by Tree, Loki is not the commish.
Also, we all gave Loki a little slack (Not a lot, just a little) when he was taking his time to research the first pick.
Maybe we can comme to some sort of compromise here? Rules sometimes are meant to be broken. For instance, in the #1 League, GoatLocker's picks (2 in a row were indeed skipped). But... The league agreed to give him high ranking picks before the beginning of the following round.
Maybe we should ask the Guru himself? or dig to see if there is any way of contacting Wiggs?
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| 86 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 22:32
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re: #81-this should be a friendly league, and it would be wonderful to give him the benefit of the doubt. however, besides slowing down the draft, THE RULES SHOULD NOT BE CHANGED ONCE THE GAME HAS BEGUN. i would hope that all of us, including wiggs would agree on that. on a separate note,tree, please refer back to posts #35,36,37,38,& 42. your request to slow down the draft seems somewhat hypocritical.-loki
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| 87 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 22:43
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re: #85-i was not given any "slack"; i just followed the rules set forth before play began. i did however listen to the requests of the league and make my pick early yesterday. i have no pretense of being the commissioner, however to reiterate, we agreed to utilize guru's rules and they should not be changed midstream.
re: #83-rancor and expletives are not necessary.
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| 88 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 22:49
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loki - sorry, your attitude pissed me off.
without any concern for anyone else in this league, you shot off a "hey, tough luck, i'm picking" post, and to me, that's crap. period.
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| 89 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 23:03
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tree-appology accepted. your attitude when i did not make my pick immediately could have provoked the same response from me, but i chose to let it go. in any event my opinion on not changing the rules remains the same, but i did ask guru for his input(see the football forum).-loki
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| 90 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 23:04
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I'm just saying that it takes some common sense and decency in order to make a fun league.
Even if Loki didn't HAVE to pick until Wednesday, he did because he knew that there are 13 other managers to think of. It did take a little coaxing though!
And once again... in the case of Rules... they do get broken; But only if it is for the betterment of the League, not one manager alone.
Instead of hearing criticisms... let's come up with some suggestions.
I personally do not know Wiggs... but Tree... did he say anything to you about being available by Email or something of the sort?
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| 91 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 23:15
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probably the fairest thing for me to do is to make my picks tommorow afternoon, unless the commissioner directs me not to. i'll await his decision. good night all.
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| 92 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 23:18
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wiggs would have told me if he was available. i will shoot him an email though, just in case, and let y'all know..
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| 93 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 23:21
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here is another issue.
you skip wiggs now, and let loki pick, are you gonna skip wiggs again, since he's right back up?
if you skip someone's second and third round pick, they're likely to walk. the draft is too important that early to take that kind of hit.
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| 94 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 23:37
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I know what your saying Tree... It hurts... for sure.
But again, I remind you that it was done in RIFC this year. The picks in question in that league were #1 and #2 (even worse).
I guess we'll wait and see...
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| 95 | Species
ID: 26471422
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 23:44
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I'd be open to having someone outside THIS league pick for him. Tree - did his queue give you any hint as to his positional preferences with these 2 picks? i.e. a 2nd back and WR?
I too would like to come to a compromise and give him a break. If we have someone make picks for him, at least it doesn't halt the draft, he doesn't get skipped, but it does "penalize" him a bit for not having a long enough queue.
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| 96 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 00:11
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Species - i'm off to bed. i will check his email again in the morning, and i would hope that loki will respectfully NOT PICK until we can sort this out.
but i like your ideas of having a proxy pick.
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| 97 | Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 00:27
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I'll proxy pick for him if you want--I'm not in this league so it wouldn't affect me one way or the other.
pd
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| 98 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 00:39
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Guru's Post on this Subject:
"Sorry - you guys are going to have to solve it on your own.
Wiggs should have left a queue long enough to be valid. But he did leave a long queue, and he did say when he'd be back.
In the case of our skipped picks, GoatLocker left no queue, and we had no idea when he would show up.
If this situation occurred in the RIFC, I'd poll the rest of the league and then make a decision as Commish. But I'm not going to make a decision for your league. I'm not even going to make a recommendation.
Some of the "I'm gonna quit" discussion doesn't impress me, however..." From the Forum
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| 99 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 00:43
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So I guess it would be nice if we could hear from our commish... Are you out there somewhere YoungRoman? We need direction...
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| 100 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 01:10
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RE:Post 82 - IF... and this is a BIG IF... we go by the rules; wouln't Loki's clock start at 12:10PM(EST) on Thursay, and not 3PM(EST)?
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| 101 | Pancho Villa
Sustainer
ID: 533817
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 01:23
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I vote for PD to make proxy picks. It isn't fair to 13 other managers who committed to the rules to have the entire process halted for several days.
I played with Wiggs in a league last year, and he was a good manager and competitor. However, this is a qualifying league, and should mirror the RIFC as closely as possible. They made a decision to draft for Goatlocker based on several criteria and Guru, as commissioner, had the final OK.
Again, my vote is for an independent proxy, PD has graciously volunteered, now youngroman has to make a decision.
I seriously doubt Wiggs would bolt the league under this scenario. If he was just skipped over with no picks, I'm not so sure.
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| 102 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 01:57
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I really don't mean to be difficult... no really... but I'm not a big fan of the Proxy thing.
But, I'd rather not be against it either, so just call me a neutral on this one. My vote = Neutral.
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| 103 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 04:30
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tough decision guys.
If it were the 10th pick, i'd say skip wiggs and go on. but it is the 2nd/3rd pick. So we have to go with an other option, here the possibilities:
(a) skip 2.13, hold the clock for 3.02 until Fri midday (more then 8 hours), and then do like (b)
(b) league/outside manager picks 2.13 and 3.02 based on best players available (QB/RB/WR)
(c) wait until wiggs shows up, because we are having PLENTY of time.
I'll simply let the league decide what should be done. wiggs clock runs until 12:10pm ET.
I would take option (c) because we do have a lot of time
additional note: since I'll be usually not around here between 7pm and 2am (because I'll living in Austria and need some sleep) it would be good if one of you would co-commish this league.
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| 104 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 06:24
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just created the Draft Rationales Thread
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| 105 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 07:02
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1. first off, i'd like to apologize for my "quitting" rant. like most of us, i take leagues seriously, but i do it mostly because it's fun.
as a league, we have to work together AS A LEAGUE to make it more enjoyable for everyone. when one person, when faced with a difficult situation, decides to go out on their own without some sort of league consensus, it takes a lot of the fun out for me, and makes me not want to play.
again, i apologize for my "quitting" rant.
2. i'd like to go with what our commish says, and give Wiggs as much time as he needs. my experience with drafts is that they ebb and flow, they drag and they haul ass, and it works out with NO problem.
and if things do get tight, you realize this a week ahead of time, you set a time frame when everyone can be here, and pick like nobody's business.
3. i'd also be more than agreeable to allowing a proxy pick - especially PD. PD knows his stuff, and has played in leagues with both myself and Wiggs, and would do the job. i agree with PV that Wiggs would unlikely leave the league in this scenario, but could possibly bolt if he were skipped twice.
4. YoungRoman - i'd offer to co-commish, but i'm commissioning a very difficult league over on the politics board. as Toral and PV will attest to, it's a challenge to keep those yahoos in line, especially the damned Canadians.. :o)
5. Draft Rationales - do we post them in order, or just post them when we're ready?
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| 106 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 07:36
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I agree with (c). At the time left, wiggs may have been going by the initial post in this thread, which said expressly that there would be no hurrying and no clock during the first week. We shouldn't skip him.
Toral
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| 107 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 07:36
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yr-please make a decision, either unilaterally or by consenses. if you(as the commissioner, not i)decide to modify the rules, i will hold my pick. if you do not,make a decision, i will assume that you want to let the status quo be, and i will pick later today.-loki
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| 108 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 07:52
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on the rationales - we should try to hold them in order, but my expierence with other drafts (and looking at RIFC) this is a hard work for all involved managers.
So I'll say, lets try to do them in order and see how this works. If it does not work well we should continue to post the rationales in no particular order.
on the clock - as the commish of this league I'll "change" the rules and say: we will wait for wiggs who said that he should be back on Sat 21, 2pm. I hope this is ok with you all.
on the co-commish - Tree you are now official my co. just updated that in Rotoworld
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| 109 | WiddleAvi
ID: 582361912
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 07:54
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I vote for PD to make the pick.
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| 110 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 07:57
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The commish has decided and I recommend we all stand with him. Think I'll get out and get some sun tomorrow!
Toral
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| 111 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 09:09
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It should be very do-able to finnish the draft on time, but it would be really nice if we can try to have everyone check it at some point on Saturday, just to try to get in a quick round or two once wiggs is back.
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| 112 | leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 09:43
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Has anyone tried to get in touch with Farn? I thought him and wiggs are friends, so, maybe he has phone contact with him?
Farn - if I am mistaken, I apologize.
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| 113 | Pancho Villa
Sustainer
ID: 533817
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 09:50
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I will abide by the commisioner's decision, of course, but I would like to add this disclaimer:
Let's quit fooling ourselves by calling this an RIFC qualifying league. A similar circumstance occured in the RIFC, and it was expedited in a clear and concise manner, one that would allow for a consistency of momentum that considered the entire group of managers who made the committment to devote x amount of days to complete the long and arduos task of a 20 slot slow draft.
I can practically guarantee that Guru never considered halting the RIFC draft for several days if it turned out that Goatlocker had neither left a que(or a large enough one), nor was available by the numerous means of communication we have today. IMO, this displays the difference in the level of seriousness between the two leagues.
What's the point of having KKB institute an OTC feature for these slow drafts, when the first time it is called into play, it is ignored?
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| 114 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 10:06
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1. The RIFC situation was different. Goatlocker was AWOL and no one knew when he's be back.
2. QL commissioners have to make their own decisions on clock matters based on the particular circumstances at hand. It's juvenile IMO to be asking "What would Guru do?" and running to him for advice/backup, much less making guesses about what he would do in our situation.
3. the difference in the level of seriousness The main difference I can see is the presence of attitudes that indicate that decisions should be made for their own convenience and not for the good of the league. We can remedy that by not adopting those attitudes.
Toral
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| 115 | WiddleAvi
ID: 5470911
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 10:23
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What is the purpose of having a clock ??
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| 116 | Pancho Villa
Sustainer
ID: 533817
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 10:54
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the presence of attitudes that indicate that decisions should be made for their own convenience and not for the good of the league
How is it good for the league to have a team with no draft strategy during the first 4-6 rounds? Leaving a 60 player que is in no way a strategy, it's just having another manager in the league. That may be fine for bowling buddies, but I understood this qualifying league to be attempting to strive for the level of excellence of the RIFC.
The attitude that should be questioned is the one from a manager who wasn't as serious as the other 13 in league participation.
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| 117 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 10:55
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I would've preferred the proxy pick but will abide by yr's decision. See ya Saturday fellas.
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| 118 | Art of Monk
ID: 32531249
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 10:57
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I agree we can't skip someone's 2nd and 3rd picks and expect them to be happy. I'm an advocate of what good are the rules if they are not enforced. I think we open ourselves up to problems if we wait for wiggs now but don't wait for someone in rd 6 or 7. To me this is a no brainer have someone proxy for 2nd rd pick and then wait 4-5 hrs for his 3rd pick and then proxy again. If he doesn't like his players he can always trade them. Once again if we wait for wiggs we are going to have to wait for everyone. Yes, I understand that 2nd ant 3rd picks are very important, but so could someone's 3rd and 4th rd picks. I don't know if we go with a league vote or commish makes the decision.
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| 119 | dwfffan
ID: 46746175
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 11:10
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Though I would apprieciate the league waiting for me, and god only knows that it could happen, I would more than understand if the draft continued with a proxy or some other means . I dont understand why he would send a queue not big enough to cover the amount of picks in front of him. I say move on.
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| 120 | Bandos
ID: 167221614
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 11:13
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My reading of the first post in this thread decides the issue for me.
"As some managers have expressed they will be not (that) available in the first week and on the weekends, I'll say that we should not look on the clock too much in the first week."
I checked quickly but while an objection to this policy was raised it was never resolved. Therefore, if I was Wiggs, I would assume that no clock was being run during the first week. I think we need to make every effort to contact Wiggs, but that failing, WAIT for him to get back.
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| 121 | I_AM_CANADIAN @ Work
ID: 364563113
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 11:20
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I agree with 118 to some extent. What happens next time someone doesn't leave a long enough queue, but the time limit is becoming a little more tight? Do we continue to wait for him too, or do create a different rule for him than we are now?
Hmmm. very difficult situation. I say, that if you knowingly sign up for a league and are aware of the rules, but don't calculate/prepare properly, that you must take some sort of penalty. It's the same as not having all your draft prep ready on time. I don't think that the manager should get a free pass, because he's the first one to mess up. By just waiting for him, he is indeed inconveniencing the rest of the league while receiving no type of penalty.
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| 122 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 11:32
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while i think that the best alternative solution would have been someone making proxy picks for wiggs, i have no problem waiting until saturday. this saturday and sunday,however, are tough work days for me so i made need time on the clock.
i still think we should give consideration to my suggestion in post #51. we probably could have avoided this problem.-loki
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| 123 | Tree
ID: 76471215
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 11:56
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points:
1. ok, YR, i guess i'm your co-commish. lol.
2. i will do what i can to help, but leave most of the decision making to you.
3. i emailed Wiggs last night, and have not heard back.
4. now the bigger point - *I* will be out of town beginning friday, and not returning until sunday evening.
i will have my cel and my charts with me, but i am unsure if i will get reception. so i will also leave a fairly detailed queue, attempting to cover rounds 3 through 6.
but first, i would like someone to call me, if i'm up, and give me the opportunity to return the phone call. if my time expires, that same person will have my queue, and will pick for me.
if you want to be that person, please email me at the gmail address above..
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| 124 | I_AM_CANADIAN @ Work
ID: 364563113
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:05
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Call me rude or unfair if you wish... but I don't see why we don't just do like the RIFC did. Skip his picks, if he shows up to make them then good. If he doesn't by the end of the 3rd round, then we have someone proxy pick for him.
This is what the RIFC did; if it's not broken don't fix it. We will cause more problems later in the draft by showing leniency now.
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| 125 | Art of Monk
ID: 32531249
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:08
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I guess post 108 solves the issue here and when the rules were posted the commish put in "I'll say that we should not look on the clock too much in the first week", so wiggs is covered here.
We do have some discussion about extending the clock on the weekends, but what is the final say here. I would rather have a longer clock on weekends, since I ususally only login either early or late. I will be without computer access on Friday the 27th for awhile, but will have cel coverage, so if I could call someone I would appreciate it. It might not even be an issue, but I thought I would bring it up. I guess on Weds or Thurs next week if someone could email me a number that I could get in touch with someone in the middle of the day.
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| 126 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 14:01
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I would have liked a proxy pick to keep the draft moving, but I will go with whatever is said because it doesn't immediately effect me anyway.
THK
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| 127 | Tree
ID: 76471215
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 17:26
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just a reminder. if i'm going to leave a queue and a cel phony number, email me at this email...otherwise, i'll be back late sunday night to pick...
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| 128 | I_AM_CANADIAN @ Work
ID: 364563113
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 17:55
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RE: Tree. I think you should send your info and queue to the commish.
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| 129 | Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 17:58
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Make sure it includes some players already taken, just to make it interesting.
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| 130 | Tree
ID: 176431421
Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 07:00
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guys, i'm outtie. THK has my info, including celly number and queue. i'll be back sunday night, possibly late...
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| 131 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 03:07
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Ok let's not forget people... Wiggs should be back today at 2PM... Let's try to get this draft moving.
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| 132 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 16:08
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Has anyone heard from Wiggs? Does anyone know which timezone he's in? If it's Pacific time, then I guess we still got a little time to wait before we start wondering. I know that we've waited this long (2+ days) for him to show up, so a couple of hours is no big deal... but what is the backup plan?
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| 133 | WiddleAvi
ID: 582361912
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 16:16
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I think we should set a time limit (Maybe 10pm tonight EST) and then we skip his pick or have PD make it for him.
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| 134 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 16:30
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guys here is the plan:
wiggs has time to do his pick until 10pm today. if he does not show up we will skip his pick and it is loki's turn. if there is no sign of wiggs until tomorrow 1pm we need someone (PD) to do 2 proxy picks for wiggs and we can go on.
the clock will still be 8 hours from 7am to midnight (including weekends) until we fall behind the 1 round/day average
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| 135 | Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 18:14
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I'm around if you guys want me to proxy. Hopefully he'll pop up beforehand, though.
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| 136 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 18:48
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Call me the devil's advocate on this subject, but I interject to PD doing queue picks after Loki makes his pick.
Why?
1) He (wiggs) didn't give a long enough queue.
2) He didn't show up to make his pick at the appopriate time.
3) Every other manager has been waiting for close to 3 days to see movement in this draft.
For him ONLY to be penalized by one draft spot, when anyone else that misses their pick will be skipped until they come back is ridiculous. Why are we making exceptions here? I'm finding it harder and harder to take this league seriously.
I lobby to the commisioner that there be a stop to this prefferential type treatment, and treat all the managers, who knowingly signed up to this league, with the same amount of respect.
Let's have Loki make his pick now, and continue with the Draft, and whenever Wiggs comes back, he puts in his picks.
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| 137 | dwfffan
ID: 46746175
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 19:02
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Lets get this draft rolling, wiggs has had WAY to much time!
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| 138 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 19:21
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IAC - I understood your points. and yes I agree that because of your 3 mentioned points a penalty should be applied. the only real penalty would be to lose a pick or two. this could be done if we skip both his picks and at the end of round 3, if wiggs has not showed up, let PD do the proxy picks.
new plan to speed up things:
wiggs has time until 10pm today, then it is loki's turn. after his 2 picks dwfffan is on the clock for his 3.03 and so on.
I'll be back at around 3am.
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| 139 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 20:24
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Glad to hear it. Normally one of those points would have sufficed.
I can't wait for the Draft to get back into action! Unfortunately, my next pick probably won't come until late Sunday.
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| 140 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 20:26
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LOKI, you go on the clock at 10PM EST. I hope you have your picks ready. :)
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| 141 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 20:42
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It's unfortunate IMO that wiggs loses his proxy picks, and more unfortunate still IMO that the commissioner allowed himself to be pushed into "imposing a penalty" by one manager's comments. We had already established that at the time wiggs left there was a no-clock rule, so points 1 and 2 in post 136 make no sense. Having someone else make your picks is plenty of penalty. It's not in anyone's interest to have a weak-sister team, or worse, have to draft a ghost team if wiggs were to resign. Things aren't going to go well if the commish feels he has to placate the shrillest voices.
I hope wiggs shows up; but if he's not here when my turn comes up and we just go past him, I'll show him managerial courtesy and wait till near the end of my 8 hours before picking.
Toral
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| 142 | Pancho Villa
Sustainer
ID: 533817
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 20:56
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I agree with Toral #141. Having someone else pick is punishment enough and having a weak sister team in the league lessens the overall enjoyment of the competition.
I suggest proxy picks as I did 3 days ago. Besides, there is no guarantee that Loki is even around to pick when Wiggs' clock runs out, so the wiating game may continue regardless.
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| 143 | WiddleAvi
ID: 582361912
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 21:02
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I will throw in my vote for the Proxy pick. Whats the point of having one team being at a big disadvantage going into the season ?
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| 144 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 21:21
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OK... so you guys think that you should re-write the rules that we've been playing with for how many years now?
Seriously. I don't think that I have pushed anyone around. If anything, I think that I've been more than patient waiting for 3 days now, in the middle of a draft, for a manager to show up.
Wiggs never had proxy picks, so he loses nothing.
Plus... he's supposed to be showing up soon anyways. So instead of giving him two guys that he hasn't ok'ed, that might not be part of his plan, move on until he shows (LIKE WE WOULD HAVE DONE FOR ANYONE ELSE!!!)
If by the end of the round he hasn't showed... then yes I do suggest that someone does proxy picks for him, otherwise his team will be lacking too much in talent to continue to compete.
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| 145 | Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 21:21
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It's all up to you guys, of course (I was just offering to help), but it seems to me that the best way to ensure that wiggs never shows up is by taking away his second and third round picks.
You guys can wait, have me pick, or pick for him--it's certainly up to you. I'm not pushing to have me pick for him.
I guess, as an outsider, it's easier for me to urge a little more patience this early in the preseason, but let's hope it's accepted in the spirit it's given.
pd
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| 146 | wiggs
ID: 2739159
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 21:22
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sorry guys, Thanks for waiting. I thought that the queue I left would getme through today. I shouldnt have anymore problems.
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| 147 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 21:28
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Finally... by the way wiggs... you should read through this discussion thread, I'm sure you'll find a lot of the recent posts quite interesting.
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| 148 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 21:34
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OH, and by the way... 3rd round is coming around... so don't forget to put your Rationals in, as your making your picks. Loki's is allready there, so Wiggs will be the next up.
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| 149 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 22:59
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Rationals people... The Thread
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| 150 | wiggs
ID: 2739159
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 23:45
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I would like to thank everyone that stuck up for me in this situation. I did post earlier my post number 11
saying that I would be away and that I would have to drop out if that was the case. I didnt seem to get any complaints as long as I left a queue which I did and I believe it was about 20 players deep. I have also done many leagues that dont get through 2 rounds in 4 days when there are 14 players drafting. Anyone that knows me at all and have done drafts with me know that I am usually one of the fastest drafters around. Those that dont know me will soon find out. I am always available to take queues and email people when it is their turn. I also picked an early draft spot to assure, or so I thought, that I wouldnt hold up the draft.
Once again, I apologize for holding it up amd I thank everyone that tried to help me out.
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| 151 | art of monk
ID: 59610240
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 01:26
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Just checking in, I'll be back in the afternoon tomorrow to see if I need to check back in at night, if not I'll be back monday morning. Once again, I am most likely interested in trading one of my next 2 picks for anyone that might want to move up. I don't want to move too far down and it might also depend a little on whom is taken before me since I don't pick for another 11 picks. shoot me an email if you are interested.
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| 152 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 07:59
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I'll be out from about 9 AM till about noon. Ready to pick either before or after that. I've forgot the situation with Tree, but if he left a queue, I can leave a queue with Tree's queueholder before 9 if he's ready to go.
Toral
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| 153 | WiddleAvi
ID: 582361912
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 10:07
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Youngroman - I think now might be a good time to set rules for the future on time limits, When the clock is on and off and the penalty for a missed pick.
On that note when does the current pick time out ?
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| 154 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 10:41
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for the next week the time limit is 8 hours from 7am ET to midnight. if the draft progresses the time limit will remain, if not we have to shorten it to 4 or 6 hours.
last pick was yesterday 10:49pm so the clock for Species ends at 1:49pm
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| 155 | Species
ID: 26471422
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 12:30
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Sorry guys. Played poker last night (won $256 though!) and didn't check last night.
Nothign is slipping through......wanted Johnson or Ward here :(
However, I can't complain, as I snatched Westbrook before the wiggs four-corners ;-) and Buckhalter goes down. What was a "I'd better get the best option as a #1 back" pick is now a "I have the very solid #1 back for an excellent team! Woo hoo :)
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| 156 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 12:31
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Over to Tree or his queue-holder.
Toral
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| 157 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 12:39
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I believe THK has his info.
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| 158 | Bandos
ID: 13762111
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 12:42
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IAC
You and I spend to much time on these boards :) BTW, I am looking forward to catching you in Baseball!
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| 159 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 12:48
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Yeah, I'd have to agree with you on the time aspect. I do enjoy a good draft, I just wish it could move at a faster pace sometimes. :(
We'll see about baseball, as stated in that thread, I think my team is on the move, even with 4 key injuries.
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| 160 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 13:53
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YR is up.
THK
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| 161 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 14:06
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WiddleAvi is up
side-note: don't forget your rationales
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| 162 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 15:34
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Slowhand is up. Followed by Bandos, then myself.
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| 163 | Tree @ parent's haus
ID: 20732218
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 19:13
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guys. i'll be back home in about 2 hours - any further pick, i'll make.
thanks THK for your help..much appreciated..
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| 164 | I_AM_CANADIAN-AWAY
ID: 437562217
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 19:18
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Well... Slowhand has used up about half his alotted time. I tried to send him an email a few hours ago to his MSN email, but no response yet.
I guess if he hasn't showed by 11:20PM EST, that Bandos will be the next in line. Most likely he will show at some point though.
I don't know about the rest of the end pickers, but I plan on trying to get through both my picks in a hurrry if possible.
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| 165 | Species
ID: 26471422
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 20:02
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Good thinking IAC. It's really nice when you know those on the end of a round are around to pick -- you can bust out 6 or 8 picks in a heartbeat. Perhaps that's a good idea for us going forward - that if you are near the end of a round, post here if you'll be around to make picks so people can stick around and we can burn through a lot at once.
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| 166 | Bandos
ID: 13762111
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 20:15
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im here
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| 167 | I_AM_CANADIAN-AWAY
ID: 437562217
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 20:33
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I'm not a home right now... but I'll be checking in every few minutes, just to check if their has been movement. If needed, it won't take me long to get it together.
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| 168 | art of monk
ID: 59610240
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 21:48
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I'm just checking in again. I will try and check again in the next 2-3 hours. If not I will not make my pick until 10amest. I am still interested in tradeing one of my picks here.
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| 169 | Bandos
ID: 13762111
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 21:58
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Im hitting the hay, whats 40 minutes anyhow? If slowhand doesn't pick by 6-7 am est Monday, I'll go ahead. Monk, I may be interested in swapping a few spots.
Maybe
3.14, 6.1
4.04, 5.11
???
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| 170 | Bandos
ID: 13762111
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 21:59
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check in before 3.14 if interested, if the player I want is off the board, I will have to reconsider.
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| 171 | Bandos
ID: 13762111
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 22:03
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prolly watch the end of the Sawx game and then crash.
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| 172 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 22:09
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Butt Bandos... I've been waiting all day...
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| 173 | Bandos
ID: 13762111
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 22:12
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me too but 2 toddlers will be up at 6....and so will I, but the sox sawx game (typically) might go til 11:20 :)
On another note, I see my bb team maxing out at 100, if all goes well.
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| 174 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 22:19
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We aren't going to finish. Odds in Vegas that we do: 500-1
THK
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| 175 | Bandos
ID: 13762111
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 22:24
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THK, We had some moments like this in RQL#3 BB but we finished. Manny! Ortizzle!
I'll be up now, hope Monk is too! we can hammer out 6 picks quick.
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| 176 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 22:30
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Yeah, I don't think we'll run into too many problems. Once you've been skipped once, I think you'll avoid having it happen again. Their is always the "invisible queue" that we can resurect at any time.
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| 177 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 22:32
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Oh, and for reference... RIFL#2 hasn't even established a draft order yet, and RIFL#3 is still in the 1st round.
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| 178 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 22:51
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We will see...
THK
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| 179 | Bandos
ID: 13762111
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 23:20
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Have at Gentlemen.
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| 180 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 23:33
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Art of Monk is up.
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| 181 | Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 23:45
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I will pick in a a few but I am really pissed.I checked in this A.M. and the draft was at pick was at 3.03 no mention made of an 8 hr time limit in the other thread at that time. I thought we were going to have a 12 hr limit on weekends and"Take it easy"the first week.I come back to find new rules adopted and me skipped.
After waiting a couple of days for wiggs, which was fine by me, in less than 12 hrs the rules are changed and I get skipped.That sucks.
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| 182 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 23:55
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RE Slowhand: There has been probably many mentions of the clock, and that is a pitty that it has changed due to certain issues, but I'm pretty sure, Post#56 & Post#154 cover it as an 8 hour, no mention of 12hr by the commish from what I saw.
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| 183 | art of monk
ID: 59610240
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 23:57
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i'm here, give me sec and I might want to make that trade bandos
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| 184 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 00:00
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RE:183 - errr... I don't know what the rule is when a players clock has expired and he says he's here. But in order not to "upset" him anymore than he allready is, you may wanna just take a couple minutes before making your pick Art_of_Monk.
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| 185 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 00:04
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OK, Slowhand has picked... Feel free to do whatever you want Art_Of_Monk.
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| 186 | Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 00:05
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Pick made. knock yourselves out.
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| 187 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 00:08
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You sticking around for a bit Slowhand? We might be able to get back to you in a couple...
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| 188 | art of monk
ID: 59610240
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 00:11
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is bandos still around. I think I will do that trade if we add swap your 7.11 for my 8.1. or is bandos on aim.
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| 189 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 00:16
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Slowhand-
Curious...would you have taken Ray Lewis, Horn or Brown with your pick had you not been skipped?
THK
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| 190 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 00:24
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RE188: It appears he's not online. Normally he replies quickly.
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| 191 | Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 00:25
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Okay just read through the thread,and saw a few references to the 8hr clock ,although 154 was made after I checked this A.M..
My apologies for going off.
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| 192 | art of monk
ID: 59610240
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 00:29
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alright I'll make my picks
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| 193 | Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 00:34
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THK- Lewis no....without "tippng my hand" the other 2 were up there ;-)
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| 194 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 00:40
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Art of Monk: You selected a player that was allready drafted. Please repick:
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| 195 | art of monk
ID: 59610240
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 00:42
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Bandos, if you are interested in trading still shoot me an email. I won't check anything until 10amest
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| 196 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 01:13
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Well we got about 8 picks in about 2 hours. Not too bad. If only it could always work that way.
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| 197 | Bandos
ID: 13762111
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 07:30
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Im about to pick. Sorry Monk about this round maybe a later one.
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| 198 | Bandos
ID: 13762111
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 07:35
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I will post my rationales when we get to me, is Tree up?
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| 199 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 227221220
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 09:03
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Slowhand is up again.
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| 200 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 09:05
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Tree's up in the rationales. If I see him post somewhere else I'll remind him. It's easy to fall way behind in these things.
Toral
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| 201 | Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 09:40
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Picked -PanchoVilla is up
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| 202 | Pancho Villa
Sustainer
ID: 533817
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 09:47
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Sorry for holding things up. Maybe we can get a couple rounds in today.
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| 203 | Tree
ID: 76471215
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 10:05
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hey guys - i was out of town all weekend, and just starting to get into the swing of things. i'll work on a rationale today....which is pretty simple, so it might be in 5 minutes..ol..
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| 204 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 10:45
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picked and posted my rationale for round one
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| 205 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:42
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I'm ready for round 4 once Toral picks.
yr - perhaps a new discussion thread would be in order - this one is huge.
Don't take my guy Toral. I've had my eye on Barry Sanders for 2 rounds now.
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| 206 | Toral
ID: 22731114
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:53
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Sorry, I was distracted by a controversy in another draft.
I'll pick in a few minutes.
Toral
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| 207 | youngroman
ID: 206491016
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:54
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new thread created
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