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Subject: Gurupie 24 Draft Discussion

Posted by: Ref - Donor [539581218] Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 12:25

Well we've made it. The Keepers have been announced and a few of us are already researching players to place on our draft "Wish List."

I am starting a draft thread in the near future. All of our draft discussions will be in this thread so we can leave the draft thread for picks and draft related posts from the commishs (if need be).

All trades involving draft picks (esp no players involved) should be confirmed in here or via email to StL or myself. All trades involving owned players should continue to go through the cbs site. As always, please make sure any draft picks are listed in the comments section. Any trade affecting the draft order will be announced officially in the draft thread by a commish.

The draft order will be posted in the draft thread before the start of the draft, but StL has already posted it in the draft order update thread in the football forum. (thanks stl!)

Let's have a fun Supplemental Draft!

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 18:14

There is a typo I saw in the draft thread, you may not drop a player until waivers are turned ON (not off).

deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 18:24

Ref - so I shouldn't go to CBS and boot all the non-keepers off my roster? I was a little unclear there.

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 18:26

Dan-
Drop me and e-mail about the offer...

Thanks,
THK

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 18:31

deepsnapper, I went in and dumped the players who weren't removed already. Every team should have 9 players as of right now. You can make trades now to go above or below 9 players but you may not drop a player until waivers are turned on nor may you go over 14. You may only add a player if it is your draft pick.

deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 18:41

Thamnks Ref.

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 18:23

FWIW, Houton called me today. Says he has been trying to trade the #1 pick, but with no success. He said he would pick tonight. FWIW.

Toral
ID: 22731114
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 19:55

Anybody who wants the #2 pick (or might after they've seen the number 1) should shoot me a message on site, tonite if possible.

Toral

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 21:37

Since we have a theme running, I am still listening to offers for the #3 pick. I've had conversations with about a half dozen of you of the past few months, and depending on who goes 1-2 I may still trade the pick. I have two holes I'm trying to fill and I know I can fill one of them if I keep the pick. I'm just not as sold on my 3rd choice as the first two, so that is why I'm considering offers.

Some of the offers I've had have been pretty good, but I have to balance those with what I can get by keeping the pick. I need a potential star or a near star for my team and some of the players offered have not quite met the mark. If I was drafting a few spots lower I would have probably made a trade already. Also, I have picks #23 and #24 and would like to package them to move up 6-10 spots later in the first round depending on how things go. If you are picking 13-19 and are not sold on a player when your turn nears, drop me a line. I'll be on Aim tonight as well, so aim me at skinneej2001 if you want to discuss something.

Toral
ID: 22731114
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 22:18

Hmmm...how do I change my logo to the Saints'? Need to get my pick to don a helmet and jersey tomorrow and don't want him to have confusion of identity....

Toral

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 22:18

Well...I have had convos with Houston, 'Aints, and Pack...come to NO trade deal.

Chris Brown looking good though! ;-) AND none of them were straight up!

THK

Toral
ID: 22731114
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 07:11

There's been a trade. I'll wait for my trading partner to confirm it.

Toral

Myboyjack
ID: 108231015
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 08:06

Houston Texas:

I've accepted your alternative proposal and sent that as a counter-offer. Soon as you've confirmed that, I'll be ready to pick.

Toral
ID: 22731114
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 08:15

Me too, mbj ;) I'm ready to make my pick -- #1 in the draft -- as soon as the commissioner approves my trade with Houston.

Toral

Myboyjack
ID: 108231015
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 08:18

WTF? That's not cool.

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 10:22

Ref, I'm trying to get in contact with you regarding a trade. Please IM me as soon as possible.

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 10:24

Houston Texans trade Josh Reed to New Orleans Saints for Ashley Lelie. NO Saints also gets the #1 pick overall for the 2004 draft from Houston.

Am I missing something here? Or has the league just gone that far down hill?

Myboyjack
ID: 108231015
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 10:42

heh.

Promize
ID: 19742168
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:05

Are you freakin kidding me on that trade? That is some serious BS in my opinion... Big thumbs down, I thought we had commish's to monitor these trades...

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:08

I vote to veto the trade and to contract the Houston team. Sorry but this is a quality league and I expect quality managers. That trade is far from quality...

Promize
ID: 19742168
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:09

Ashley Leslie = Eli Manning... Yah ok...

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:12

Promize, its worse than that!

Ashley Lelie - Josh Reed = Eli Manning

What tops it off is that Lelie is close to losing his job.

Toral
ID: 22731114
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:13

If there's going to be some controversy about this I would suggest that a commish halt the draft until it is resolved.

Toral

Promize
ID: 19742168
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:18

I just IMed Ref and said the same thing, cause this is just not right... Are league has been so good to be tarnished by such a onesided trade...

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:19

Draft is halted. I approved the trade without consulting Ref. Ref and I will talk first. I don't think he is around right now so we will wait until I hear from him. I will also post my thoughts later.

Toral
ID: 22731114
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:21

I would have someone contact Texans as well.

Toral

Promize
ID: 19742168
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:21

Marvin Harrison, definitely... Tom Brady, possibly.. But Josh Reed?

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:22

OK guys, I am getting AIMED to death. I am required to consult with StL before I can set up a veto vote. The problem is that the draft has already begun but obviously, if something happens and that trade is vetoed by us or the league, we'd have to start the draft over.

Hopefully, an arbitration process will not be needed, however, if an owner feels that a decision (IE a vetoed trade) by one of the commissioners is unfair, he may appeal to the other commissioner with his reasoning. If the owner still is unhappy, he may call for a league vote to overturn the commissioners. A general e-mail will be sent with both sides stating their position and 14 votes must be returned in favor to overrule the decision (note: the party involved and the 2 commissioners will not be voting). This is the final outcome. There is no recourse. Voting will remain open for 48 hours (if reasonable) or the needed vote total is reached (14 or 7).

At this point, 48 hrs is unreasonable, obviously.

Doug
ID: 422281412
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:23

FWIW, I agree that this trade seems very very lopsided and am suprised it would be allowed.

Toral
ID: 22731114
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:23

I have no problems with starting the draft over if that is determined to be necessary. Wasn't it originally supposed to start tomorrow anyway?

Toral

Promize
ID: 19742168
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:32

I think we all know it is very lopsided trade, and from Toral's replies with having no problems restarting, I think he knows it was going to be a big steal if it would continue to be approved...

I might push some buttons with this, but Houston never played his team last year, and if things like this are gonna happen and start the season out, maybe we need to find a replacement manager...

I would be curious to see MBJ's and TKH's offers to Houston... That were overlooked to get Leslie?

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:40

Tom Brady or Marvin Harrison for a #1 pick? I guess we all see things differently.

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:41

I agree with Promize.

IMHO the only vote needed is a vote on whether or not Houston should be allowed in the league.

Promize
ID: 19742168
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:43

Well looking at his team STL, those would be the only ones even worth a #1 pick... That was my point...

But try to explain to me how Leslie = Manning? If we don't see things the same...

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:46

Promize, you have the players backwards. Houston traded the #1 and has those players. You would need to look at players on Toral's (New Orlean Saints) roster...

Peter N.
ID: 237421215
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 11:48

Promize, your trade with Craig Turley was not much less lopsided than this one IMO. I think that one should've been investigated too personally.

And that brings me to question, we've had two questionable trades made in the offseason and both have involved non-gurupies. Now, I'm certainly not trying to call anyone out, but I would like an explanation of the trades. It'll probably enlighten me and I'll no longer have a problem with either. ;-) As of now, I have no idea why either trade(Mcgahee for Pollard!?!? and this trade involving the numero uno pick) were made.

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:04

Trades have been a major source of disagreement in this league, but the league consitution does not call for a league wide vote on every trade. Unless someone thinks there was collusion involved? then it comes down to the same old question, trade after trade. Is it so unbalanced that it should be vetoed?

This is a very tough issue to address. It is not the leagues job to make sure everyone makes moves according to the league consensus. If we get to that point we might as well vote on everything. Did team X select the right keepers? Is that really the best draft pick for that team? Is trading away a draft pick the best thing for that team? I personally don't want someone telling me that I can or can't make a trade that I think will help my team. Sometimes we make good trades, and sometimes we make bad trades. I feel that I have made both myself.

What is the value of a #1 draft pick anyway? How much was Ryan Leaf worth? You know who the #1 pick in last year's supplemental draft was? Jeff Blake. I will be the first to say that there have been trades in this league in the past that I have taken exception to as well. On the poll this year, 7 people said they would draft a rookie #1 if they had a top draft choice, yet the first 3 picks last year were veterans. Maybe this year's crop is a better class, or maybe Manning is another Ryan Leaf? Who knows? Not me. Personally Manning would not have been my first pick anyway.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:04

Guys, we are getting to the bottom of things right now. It's hard to be patient when this is holding up our draft, but the commishs have to make a ruling on this before we can consider a veto vote if our ruling is not agreeable. In order to do that we must talk to all parties involved. I've already talked to Toral and am awaiting a response from Houston. I've also contacted rfs as he has his phone number.

For the record, though Promize's trade may end up being lopsided, still McGahee is a backup and Pollard is a starter. Also, NO one asked for a veto vote. I would have jumped all over that deal though too as McGahee is now healthy having spent the 12 months time it almost always takes for an ACL tear to be fully recovered. Also, Turley drafted him and held him on his team all last year and then trades him for a TE toward the end of his career who splits time with Clark. Still, there are only so many TEs and with Indy's high octane passing offense, Pollard should still hae some value--esp this year. Was it lopsided? Perhaps, but even if it is, it wasn't enough for a commish to veto. Remember, it's hard for deals to be exactly even and there have been a lot of deals we thought were bad that turned out being better for the other team.

Remember, this is the only league of our three that has a veto vote in it and it is because of the short season and how much each game means. Draft picks can also be funny. For instance, I think if Toral would have picked, say Boston, (who is out for the year) there wouldn't be much moaning about it.

Promize
ID: 19742168
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:06

Well first, I didn't propose the trade to me... Craig came to me with the offer, he was trying to fill a position of TE on his team. My guess, he didn't want ot pick up some scab in the draft and instead went with someone who he knows will produce some numbers... Considering he was only a game or two out of first last year, I imagine he was trying to find the key ingrediant to put him in first.

Houston's team, didn't even try last year, if I remember right he wouldn't reply to emails or anything.. Or am I thinking of someone else?

McGahee, who is yet a starter, has yet to prove anything but in preseason games... and is just coming off reconstructive surgery on his KNEE, this is a gamble.. One good hit to the knee, kiss another player of mine goodbye... The trade was also made before he had all these shinning moments in preseason games.. Does it look a bit favorable to me now? Yah, I think so.. Did it before? Maybe a little bit, but not as one sided as what happen today..

I thought I was looking at the teams correctly...

Houston Texans now has Ashley Leslie, and Toral now has #1 pick overall (Eli Manning) + Josh Reed...

By the way, these two trades this year aren't the only ones that have been lopsided... I remember RFS or REF posting something like... "At this level of a league, managers should know what is good or bad" ... something like that... Might of been in the baseball league, but I imagine it applies to this league also...

skinneej
Leader
ID: 40625911
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:07

Well, I would rather halt the draft then let it go and restart it after a dozen picks or something like that. Teams would be tipping their hands on who they plan to take and that could affect the outcome when the draft is restarted. Teams would know ahead of time where players are going and then teams could try to trade up with that knowledge.

I am surprised there was any thought of allowing this trade to begin with. I know THK offered Chris Brown plus other draft picks which is much better than Lelie who may not even be a starter. I'm not sure what MBJ offered, but my offer of the #3 and #23 for #1 and other considerations had to be better than that as well. What I thought when I saw the trade was that Brad had to think he was trading Reed and the #1 for Lelie and the #2 and that Toral misunderstood and thought he was keeping the #2 as well. I think that if we all voted right now, there would be only 1 yes vote to allow the trade.

Myboyjack
ID: 108231015
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:15

He offered me the same deal Toral got for Lavernous Coles. I guess he thought Lelie was better than Coles?

hmmm.....

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:17

OK, I would just like to say that we are looking in to this. I don't think we need to take sides or get into a pissing contest. Right now I am willing to admit that I jumped the gun. I should have talked to Ref and the parties involved to make sure that was the trade that was proposed, and dig deeper. Please let's wait until we resolve this before we take this any further. Thanks, and I appologize for acting too fast.

Toral
ID: 22731114
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:23

Pursuant to skineej's comment in 40 and Cards' in 42, I should state that I took steps to assure that that there had been no misunderstanding before accepting the trade offer. When I saw the offer, I e-mailed Texans asking them to restate or confirm their offer, and only after getting their positive return e-mail did I accept it on the site.

Toral

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:25

Remember, if we vote, all parties involved are not allowed to vote (toral, expansion this..., stl cards and myself).

Promize, it was rfs who said that in baseball, but I do agree with that. Football is a little different animal in that there are only 13 weeks and it's much harder to make things up (sort of like a bad call in the first quarter instead of the last minute of the game).

Still, our goal is to have quality managers who make their moves for specific reasons and don't need to be monitored. We do not want to be babysitters and even the BEST managers' moves are going to come into question at times and heck, some of us even take gambles that others wouldn't. So the only time we want to step in and say anything contrary to what two competant managers agree to trade is when it is contrary to what any other rational manager would do AND it hurts our league as a whole because of it.

Let's say that Houston was in first place after week 10 and made this same trade for next year--just trying to upgrade Reed so he can win this year. I don't think I would have anything to say at that point. Would you? Of course the pick would be much lower than an overall #1, but you understand where I'm going with that.

Myboyjack
ID: 108231015
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:29

It's a keeper league, so I'd be extremely reticent to second guess value judgments of this sort. I the commissioners can justify the trade, then it's OK with me.

That said, I would have serious concern about the competency of a manager in a good league like this who would turn down Chris Brown + a pick or Lavernous Coles so that he could pick up Ashley Lelie. (and any of those deals in exchange for a pick that gets you bona fides like Manning or Jackson is pretty weird to me)

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:30

While we are at it I think we should ammend the league constitution. While I agree that there are always going to be trades you disagree with (and you should not vote on all of these) there needs to be something in place to stop these.

A whatever goes (minus collusion) approach to approving trades only works if you have the highest quality managers (which is obvious that we do not).

My proposal:

Any trade can be put forth in question. If 8 managers in the league questions the trade, the trade should be voted on.

Once in an official vote, 14 votes would be needed to veto the vote.

This eliminates every trade from going to a vote yet it keeps a good check and balance system in place.

GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:33

He offered me the same trade for Owens.

Didn't get it answered as I just saw it.

Cliff

Toral
ID: 22731114
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:34

Early bird getz the worm, guyz ;)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:41

AP10, if we were to do that, we would need constant voting and quick response times to boot from every manager. In this league there have only been a 2 or 3 trades that come to mind as being bad. We have a veto process set up in this league. This way, the commish(s) screen all trades before there is a vote. We've never had two commish's trade before, but if that happened and there was a problem, we'd go straight to the 2/3 vote to overturn it. Basically, if 2/3 of the league feel that a trade is bad, then it probably is.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:03

This email just went out to Toral and Expansion this...

Toral/ Expansion this...

Your trade has been vetoed by the commishs. The draft will restart with Houston/Expansion this... having the first pick. You have 30 mins to call for a veto vote to override the commish's vote. During that time Houston/Toral may adjust their trade. The draft clock will start at 1:30 ET regardless. That pick must be selected or traded within that 4 hr window. Any time taken before the pick is made or traded will be counted against Houston's comm. clock. If a veto vote is requested, the draft clock will begin immediately after 7 votes agree with the commish's ruling or 14 votes disagree with the commish's ruling.

Stl Cards and Ref

Toral
ID: 22731114
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:06

I'm not requesting a vote. It's tough being a newbie Canadian in an American league. You learn to roll with the punches.

Ready to select with my #2.

Toral

skinneej
Leader
ID: 40625911
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:07

STL 42, rereading my post maybe it sounded harsher than I intended it. I didn't mean to direct anything at you specifically, just thought there had to be more to it or someone knew something I didn't. I figured it had been discussed before being approved and that was what I had questioned before I read the whole thread again. I tend to lean toward having less league or commish involvement on trades and even though some I thought were not that great, I have not seen one (until now) that I think should be voided. Maybe Lelie is a future star as some expected a few years ago and has to be benched first before he shines. On the surface though as things stand now, I don't see how he could be better than Brown or Coles since I have both of them ranked top 20 in their respective positions and Lelie doesn't make my top 40 wrs. Again, I know we will all disagree about value at times, but with the caliber of players available in this draft, keeping the #1 was a much better choice than making that trade.

Also, Toral I have no qualms with you on the trade as anyone would have jumped on it. Why not get some gravy on the side! ;) After talking with both you and Brad last night plus a few others, I came away knowing who would go 1-2 and felt better about keeping the #3 pick. I knew that my offer was not quite as good as some of the others, but I was not going to trade Dillon or Duckett to move up 2 spots when I could still get a good player to fill a need at my pick.

I hope this gets resolved in the next few hours. i will be in meetings until 4pm EST so I'll check back in then.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:15

When I first read the trade this morning, I assumed it was a simple draft swap of a #1 for #2. I got bombarded with AIMs. I didn't see what the big deal was about until I re-read it and saw it wasn't a swap for picks at all. Even though Lelie and Reed are both #2 receivers, Lelie is an upgrade IMO, just not for a manning ;)

Still, we don't want to veto picks or try to quell activity whatsoever. We felt we had to here. Toral and Houston still have about 15 mins of exclusive trade time until the draft starts. Once the draft starts they could still figure out a trade, though we are already behind draft schedule.

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:17

No problem Skineej. My post 42 was just a general comment to try to avoid heated discussions from arising, sort of a head it off at the pass type of thing. I didn't take any issue with yours or anyone else's comments. If anyone is upset with anyone here, it should be directed at me. Just remember I am new at this and I really do have the league's best interest at heart. I enjoy these leagues more than any other and my goal is to make sure others feel the same way. I admit I made a mistake, but that is why there are checks and balances in the rules. thanks.

Toral
ID: 22731114
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:19

I'm not planning on any additional trade discussions.

I'd like to leave a queue with one of the commishes, as I may not be around if there's a delay when my pick comes up, as I planned to have picked by now.

Toral

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:23

feel free to send me a queue

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:35

I was really hoping that the trade would be re-worked. I really feel for Toral especially as he JUST joined our league and is trying to upgrade his team. I am embarassed. I have made several emails to Houston and even to rfs to try and contact him w/o success. He may be at work or be away and not even know this is going down. Now he's on the clock and may not know that either. This is a horrible way to start a draft that must be done in a timely manner.

Toral, if you could remove your draft posts, we will start this all over again beginning immediately.

Toral
ID: 22731114
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:36

Will do.

Toral
ID: 22731114
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:39

Queue sent to Cards. Let me know if you get it. I'll check in about an hour before I head out.

Toral

Myboyjack
ID: 108231015
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:40

If Houston really thought that trade was an upgrade, shouldn't we just draft, like Ike Hilliard for him and go on.

;>}

kidding

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:40

Toral, got it

Myboyjack
ID: 108231015
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:45

Is Houston really going to lose his pick in four hours. He may be gone for the day, thinking he's safe to do so. I don't think he should lose his pick if that's the case.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:53

For the record, I've just gotten two emails from Houston. He is aware of what is going on.

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:58

Uh...haven't read all this yet but that trade offer?!?! LOL. Thank God it was vetoed because that was AWFUL.

Re: Promize...my offer was:
Chris Brown
#33 overall
1st round pick next year

for

#1

A little better than Lelie HUH?!?! Geez...

THK

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 14:01

As a fellow manager, (not wearing the commish hat) how can THK's offer be scoffed at and then he makes the offers to toral, mbj and GL?

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 14:05

**Deal not offered to GL. I don't understand what you are getting at Ref?

THK

GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 14:12

THK,
Ref's talking about trade offers from Houston.
I was offered Reed and the #1 for Owens.

Cliff

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 14:13

THK, Houston has offered that pick to those teams I mentioned and I'm finding out there were similar offers to other teams as well and for even less quality WRs IMM. What I said was that your deal to Houston was laughed at and not considered in the ballpark, yet IMM your offer was WAY better than the ones offered to these other teams.

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 14:15

League:

As everyone is well aware, we have a manager whom I firmly believe is not up to the level of the other 23 managers. I have asked a commish to please remove Houston's manager before he further destroy's his team. This commish is not comfortable with doing that (and I do not blame him as I would not want to make that decision myself). Below are the reasons that I believe Houston's manager should be removed:

1. His lack of participation last year. He did not return any responses regarding league inquiries, he made no pick-ups and was overall INACTIVE the entire year which leads to #2.

2. Due to #1 he has already found his team in last place.

3. This trade today was an absolute joke.

Now, I do not think any of these are enough to boot a manager from our league; however, the combination of all three are more than enough reason to remove him. This is a quality league and I think quality managers who care should only be allowed in the league. You do not have to be an elite manager, all I ask is that you are competent and active. I do not believe that Houston's manager is either therefore I am going to use my right as a player in this league to call a league wide vote.

League Wide Vote
I am going to motion that the Houston Texan's manager be removed from the G24 league before he does anymore harm to his team. It is already tough enough to find quality managers, let alone find one who is willing to take over a team that has been sabotaged (unknowingly).

While this vote may push the draft back by a short period of time, I believe it is well worth the delay so that we can retain the quality that the league should be.

By the rules, I believe that neither Houston's manager nor the commish's can vote on this matter.

deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 14:18

Would someone please AIM me when it gets a little closer to me. All this excitement makes me want to pee. "deepsnappe"

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 14:26

The football draft is different than our other three leagues. You can bring in some great players in a hurry that fills your weak spots. It can be a rookie or a vet or whatever. The top places generally have some great players to choose from and can change your entire team.

For instance, in our first season, AF had the worst team in the league. Last year he tied for the best record in the league. He did that largely by covering his weak spots through the draft and I think he made some trades with some of those as well. Other teams went from bad teams to very good teams in one year. Penngray went from a horrible team to finishing 4th overall!

There were several trades last year in our first supplemental draft. Some positions are limited and people swapped picks or players or both to try and move up or move down to get the player(s) that would help their team out. This draft CAN change your entire season, esp. if you can make those picks work or trade them into someone great who will help you even more. have 4 good RBs and need a QB? I'm sure you could get a very good QB for one.

Don't take this draft lightly. Be prepared and have fun and take all trade offers seriously. Often it's not the first offer that gets done, it's the ideas that spawn from it or the back and forths that get it done. I've often not even considered trading a player, yet the inquiry and discussion about it changes my mind. Even if a deal doesn't get done there, I've even offered that player to someone else because of it.

I've been forunate that I still have 5 of my 9 players on my team from the original draft. A couple players I got last year and set on my bench so I could keep them this year (Grossman and Suggs). I traded for another guy to keep him, but had no room. One trade is going to really hurt me this year as I traded a starting QB and my first pick for a backup QB, but I was trying to win last year and it worked. Not having a pick until #48 may really hurt me, but who knows, my draft picks from last year weren't very good either. It's all about trying to win now, with an eye on the future for me. I've been VERY LUCKY.

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 14:30

I would like to say I have no idea how my offer was denied if Lelie is the hot commodity, lol. Oh well..

THK

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 14:34

So far I have 2 YES votes and 0 NO votes to removing Houston's manager. Myself and one other (you know who you are). If you would like to remain unanimous in your vote, please IM me (if you have my AIM name) or email me at derek_35@hotmail.com.

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 15:39

If you wish to remain unanimous that is cool although you could remain annonymous ;)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 16:02

Unfortunately, this isn't Survivor and you can't vote off a fellow manager! ;) As article XI of our Constitution reads, A Commish can exclude a manager for any reason and it gives some exacmples of most likely scenarios of why a manager would be excluded.

Still, StL have been discussing this back and forth for over 4 hours. It has taken a huge toll on our day and the draft. AP10 has stated some facts that StL and I are well aware of. It goes deeper than most of you know and there is a reason why we asked Houston to return this year. We hope to come together on some things here shortly which hope will lead to the draft to get going full steam ahead.

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 16:43

You know that I disagree with your interpretation of the constition and you did not state that I could not do this prior to me making the post...

Hopefully, an arbitration process will not be needed, however, if an owner feels that a decision (IE a vetoed trade) by one of the commissioners is unfair, he may appeal to the other commissioner with his reasoning. If the owner still is unhappy, he may call for a league vote to overturn the commissioners.

This does not state that this only applies to trades. It says if you are unhappy with a commissioners decision which the league is.

Anyways, you and I are on the same page as we have been talking on IM all day. You realize that this is not me trying to be a pain in the ass but rather I am willing to stick my neck out so that others do not have to (yourself included).

At this point the decision is in your hands and I trust you will do what is best for the league.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 17:37

FWIW, this is the first trade we've vetoed in any of our three leagues (though we've almost vetoed trades before). Trust me when I tell you that even if we did approve it, it would have been vetoed by the league by the numbers of emails/IMs i'd already received on it.

Understand this. We do NOT want to dictate trades or tell managers who they can or can NOT trade. Nor does the league want this. We do NOT expect all trades to be equal and if they are lopsided, they will still likely be accepted. It's when they are clearly not right for the league in general, would they be viewed in this manner (upsetting competitive balance, etc.). After discussing this deal with the parties and doing our own research STL and myself decided to veto that trade. We understood it was going to throw our draft off. I have sent Houston another email to try and get this all straightened out.

We do NOT want people to be afraid of making moves because of fear of remarks or fear of being "voted off the island!" There has been many trades that people hasn't liked but none of them have been vetoed and not one in football has asked for a vote to override the commish yet. (That rule only applies to football).

We think one little caveat applied to that trade would have made it great for EVERYONE involved and everyone in the league. Obviously we can't make trade suggestions, but this could have all been avoided...

Action Figure
ID: 28741412
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 18:37

Why doesn't HOUSTON chime in on this board?

If he wants to save his team that is.

Myboyjack
ID: 06141920
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 18:43

I've gotten lost. Is the draft clock running or are we on hold?

Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 18:44

Is his team in danger, AF?

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 18:44

we are on hold

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 18:47

Is his team in danger, AF?

Darn skippy.

Myboyjack
ID: 06141920
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 18:48

Thanks

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 18:49

Amen...why doesn't Houston chime in?

THK

Action Figure
ID: 28741412
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 18:49

I don't know if his team is in danger. I just now scanned this thread and his team seemed to be "somewhat in danger" I know if I was being talked about like this I would be in here defending my actions.

Thats all.

Action Figure
ID: 28741412
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 19:07

I hope I didn't come across as being the bad guy but I would never vote a guy "out" (if it could even be done) without hearing from him.

Thats all.

Doug
ID: 57352917
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 19:29

Should we disregard the first "Thats all."? =-)

Twarpy
ID: 317231023
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 19:29

AF, you didnt come across as the bad guy at all, I think like all our leagues sometimes people aren't blunt enough in these leagues as to not hurt anyones feelings.

That being said, I just got home from work and have just gone through each post.

I have to agree with the side that thinks there should be serious consideration/vote for the future of "Houston". I think Ref and StlCards did a good job by removing some managers prior to the leagues start, but I feel as a group we are often hesistant to remove people after that initial cut.

Houston, I know is rfs' friend, but were all calling him "Houston" because he doesn't even have a handle on here, as he doesn't ever post. He was late with his keepers, and now seems to have traded away his 1st pick last second, by sending out random offers hoping someone would bite, and without much thought about countering and making a fair trade.

I know it wasn't collusion but after any trade, which creates so much outrage I think the manager in question needs to be evaluated, by the league as a whole.

Action Figure
ID: 28741412
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 19:43

Doug,

Wait there's more!!

I know I don't speak on these boards much but I do try to hang around during league drafts. I wasn't even online when this league had it's live draft 2 years ago.(for personal reasons) My team pretty much consisted of LT, Shannon Sharpe and Matt Stover. I have tried to build the team up a bit by rolling the dice with some guys and making a trade here and there.

That may not be all.

Action Figure
ID: 28741412
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 19:46

Yea I know any fool in a 24 team league can do well with LT.

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 20:14

BUT, can any fool turn around a team with A-train as their #1 overall pick in the innagural draft? ;-)

THK

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 20:46

So we are on hold, huh? Darn, I thought I was going to get to pick in 45 minutes after the first two picks expired. ;) Actually, I'm kidding but at least the delay has given me a chance to research a couple players a bit more. I feel better about my intended pick now so I'm ready when we get this thing rolling.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 21:43

Guys stay tuned, we are trying to get the draft started back up. If everyone that picks in the first several picks can be ready. The flood gates have opened and trades are flying from what I'm hearing. We need to reel off several picks as soon as it's started if possible.

GoatLocker
ID: 23758238
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 22:58

Will check things again later then.

Cliff

Doug
ID: 422281412
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 00:28

Really? Trades are flying? I haven't heard a thing... gee, I sure would love to though. Anybody out there at all remotely in the slight possibility of maybe just maybe possibly trading... gosh, it sure would be nice to hear from you.

Buckhalter and/or Faulk are available at RB. Clark at TE. Possibly Rattay at QB. I may even be open to trading down from the #6 pick depending on who is available when it comes up.

I'm mostly interested in picks in the top 30 or so (exactly how high up depends on what you want/offer)... or maybe you have a player that will excite me.

I'm also very open to 3 or 4 way deals if you are trying to work something out with someone but just can't find the right combination, maybe we can make it work if we have a few more pieces to work with!

doug_gurupie24 at reprezent dotcom

Doug
ID: 422281412
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 00:30

Also AIM: SiriusAdventures

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 01:13

BEFORE YOU PICK:
If you have interest in Chris Brown let me know. If a certain player is available then I will toss in picks as well and hopefully make a good deal for both sides...

THK

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 01:21

The first two picks are off the board. Skineej is up.

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 01:24

ThK, IM me so that we can discuss a possible trade.

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 01:30

The draft has been restarted. StL Cards and myself take full responsibility for the delay and no time has been assessed to anyone's comm. clock to now. The first two picks are done and I just missed the Q for #3 pick or it would be done now as well. He will have his pick up shortly as he already knows who he's taking.

As for Houston's team. I don't want to get into all the details, but the thing is that he has been invited back and he is on Warning. We do not typically share that with the league. He understands that he can be removed for any reason or any screw ups.

But with that being said, we are NOT going to remove a manager for making a bad trade or pick in the minds of others. Has he been lacking in the past? Sure. Should he have been brought back after last year's activity level? Probably not. But there is a reason he is back and he has promised to be active and he has tried to trade his first pick. Has he been as active as he needs to be in email/trade answering activity? No. Will he be in the future? He says he will and we will take him at his word. If he repeats his inactivity or being unresponsive than we will again take full responsibility but it wasn't for not giving him every chance to remain.

Do I agree with his Keeper picks? No. But who am I to decide what are the best players. Last I knew, my crystal ball was broken long ago. And I will tell you that if lelie is an all pro and manning and reed stink I will be sick. This is the first trade in any of our leagues to ever be vetoed and all I can say is that it is my sincere hope that it is best for the league. As a commish we want to report the news, not make it! ;)

There have been 7 people by my count that via IM has asked me and or stl cards to remove Houston. We appreciate everyone's intention of helping the league. I don't think there was any true malice directed at him and Houston told me in an email tonight that he'd like to post in this thread perhaps Tuesday. Unless there is a clear violation or unwillingness to participate or to make his picks in a timely fashion or respond to emails/trades he will remain in the league at least through this season. I tell you, I look at his team and I like some of his players. He'd have done some damage last year if he'd been active so we expect a much better showing from him this year. Still, someone has to finish first and someone has to finish last and that by itself will not get you excluded...esp, in a keeper league like we have.

We hope that you will appreciate us taking the entire day (over 14 hrs) to get through all of this and make our decisions and respect them. You do not have to agree with them. We may be making a mistake, yet we'd rather make a mistake by giving someone the chance that we promised rather than remove them after making a perceived bad trade. Through all of this, Houston has shown great class and has been very respectful.

Let's get through this and have a great draft!

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APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 02:27

Ref, while I disagree with your decision, I will support it.

I do have a problem with the wording in your post above though. You individually list approximately 7 reasons why Houston should be removed but you then follow them up with "BUT we are will not remove you for this". Ok, that is understandable if it was only one or even a few of those 7 items.

Combine all 7 of them and you have more than enough reasons to boot.

Why do we need to be so political?

Anyways, best of luck!

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 02:37

Thank you AP10, we appreciate your support.

Others have IMed me/us and have also given their support and some even their approval. It means a lot to us that people support us even when the don't nec. agree with our decisions.

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skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 06:35

Good thing I checked in for a minute before heading off to work. Let's get this thing rolling! Remember, for those picking 13-19 I have two late first round picks that I may be interested in packaging to move up depending on players available.

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GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 08:31

Give me a minute to run down my list and I will pick.
Just got up.

Cliff

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GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 08:52

OK, Doug is on the clock.

Cliff

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rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 09:19

Ref --- I know you have my cell#, feel free to ring it when my turn comes up.

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Baldwin
ID: 487442022
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 09:20

Ref

Just glad I didn't have to make that call. You had my support either way.

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GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 09:22

Ref and StL Cards,
You also had my full support in making the right decision.
You obviously know more than the rest of us as to all of the particulars.

Cliff

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StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 09:28

Thanks guys.

I have added the draft choices selected so far to the respective teams.

Please after you make your pick, go to the site and add the player. I know I won't be around much today and I don't know about ref, but this will help prevent accidental duplicate pick ups.

thanks

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Baldwin
ID: 487442022
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 09:58

I need to ask for a bit of patience on the payment. I am in a realestate cash crunch atm. I will get @15 grand commission in a few weeks but I'm overdrawn thousands atm...long story.

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 11:25

I've been sending out email reminders this morning. Not sure how often I'll be able to do it.

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 11:40

Nice pick CC Rider.

In fact, there have been some great picks thus far in the draft.

Again, please remember, to go to the site and make sure your player is still available and then after you pick go directly to the site and pick up your player so he's not taken by someone else later. Thanks.

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deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 11:40

I'm out until 1PM CT. Have a drs appt with my surgeon about the old club foot. I'm trying to keep the bastid from cutting on it again. He really wants to slice and dice my charcot foot. (he's really a ncie guy.) lol

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StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 12:33

I added Winlsow for the Bears (CCRIder) and
Tatum Bell for Denver (Coldwater Coyotes)

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StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 12:34

MBJ's Bengals are up for pick 1.09

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rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 13:02

Nice pick MBJ. Fit right into your plans, eh?

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rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 13:09

Ref/StL--

Some owners may not have the ability to access CBS site to add their own players from their workplace. Just FYI.

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Promize
ID: 19742168
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 13:26

Looking at these players being taken, having a good season last year in the league was a bad year to have a good season in the league! Some future studs in my opinion already being picked...

Anyways, we need a new thread... Start a new!

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skinneej
Leader
ID: 40625911
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 13:44

Promize, I agree there was much more to choose from this year in the draft over last year. I had 5 players I considered at #3 and even if I had moved down a few spots, as I tried, I was still happy with the prospects of getting a solid player plus whatever I got in the trade. As it stands now, I will probably keep both my late first round picks as the players I was targetting in the middle of the round to move up to are now gone.

120

Baldwin
ID: 487442022
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 14:54

Too True Promize. PeterN already has better WRs in the first round than I have on my team. Prolly anyway.

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 15:02

Man this was NOT a good year to not have a pick until #48!!!

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 15:06

I have a trade on the commish desk that has no comments with it. Usually, that means there are no draft picks, but being in the middle of the draft I'd like to be sure. I will email each party as well.

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deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 15:20

any word on smallwhirled?

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 15:31

He is not showing online. I talked with him last night and he had a good idea who he wanted so I'm thinking he may be in class. I don't ahve a Q from him though.

Trade was approved, both parties confirmed that there were no draft picks included.

125

deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 16:09

Thanks

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TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 16:47

Alright well Jackson was the guy I wanted! Shocked JJ went before him but both could be very solid. Can't believe Roy went at #10 either...too bad I didn't hold onto my #9 pick!

Oh well...let's go Brown! You are now on my team for the long haul!

IF anybody in the near future in picks ISN'T comfortable with what's left I would deal a 1st round pick next year and a 4th round pick this year for it if yet another guy is still there. Most likely won't stay long, lol..

THK

127

smallwhirled
ID: 58521513
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 17:34

Sorry guys, just got back, didn't mean to slow it down.

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APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 18:16

Anyone want the 15th pick?

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TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 18:32

Turley with a risky move of dropping Branch and then picking him up again. I guess I had delusions of granduer of wanting him with #33 overall??? LOL.

There goes Roth...

trading my #9 pick sure was stupid!!!! Glad to haev CJ though.

THK

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Promize
ID: 19742168
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 18:35

Ok, I have to hed to class, so I won't be around for a few hours to make my pick...

Also trying to work some sort of deal with another owner...

AP10, if you could send me an email before you pick and hold off a bit, unless your time will expire before 8:50... What you want for it..

THK, drop me a line... I might consider it for #16...

In the end, I do have an offer on the table, but he is away from keyboard and I can't get him to reply.

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TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 18:44

My deal is still on the table for #15 and maybe #16...not sure. Have to go read a little bit more of my summer reading book, lol...be back in a bit.

THK

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AZ Cards
ID: 367132318
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 18:47

THK,

Yes, dropped and showed him the money again.
Actually, trading Moulds for Brooks changed my game day strategy..and AB out for the first half..needed proven instead of youth. I was laughing at my selection process as well after dropping him..

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TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 19:07

Promize-
My deal was turned down for 15. Send me an e-mail at 16 to see if a deal is possible.

Thanks,
THK

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Doug
ID: 57352917
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 19:27

AP10... I might be interested in the pick, but I don't see you online... AIM me at SiriusAdventures if you want to talk

135

APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 19:48

Dont like the pick but I'm tired of dealing with it and holding up the draft :(

136

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 20:08

Would have taken the same guy...

THK

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Promize
ID: 19742168
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 21:49

Ok, back home.. I see AP10 picked, another one of my deals fell through, so I guess time to talk with THK LOL

Every single player I wanted is gone... Every one I even slightly looked at is gone...

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StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 23:13

well, rfs was just here, but is gone for awhile. Wish I would have asked him for a queue

139

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 23:20

I'm still tryng to leave. I had picks in political and G20 due.

140

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 23:24

LOL RFS!!! "God. Help me."

HAHAHA!!!! Good stuff.

THK

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Toral
ID: 22731114
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 23:47

Hope God helps you cuz Emmitt Smith won't.

;)

Toral

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rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 23:57

Emmitt and God are the same age. Grew up together. I believe God was the QB his junior year. ;) God went on to greater things, Emmitt turned pro.

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Doug
Sustainer
ID: 2730280
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 01:48

Great pick by STLCards.

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APerfect10
ID: 48771520
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:02

Between what times does the draft clock get suspended each day? I do not see anything mentioned in the picks thread and am wondering when Baldwin's time will expire and I can pick (if it comes to that).

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StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:19

The draft clock stops at 12ET each night and resumes at 8ET in the morning. I emailed Baldwin that he was on the clock starting at 8ET this morning with a 4 hour window.

If he does not make his pick by noon ET, then Baldwin will be skipped and AP10 will be up. Also, if a person is skipped and fails to pick prior to their next turn, then they will be automatically skipped again for their next turn. They can make their pick at any time after being skipped prior to the end of the draft.

If anyone knows how to get hold of Baldwin or sees him somewhere, please let him know he is up.

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Myboyjack
ID: 108231015
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 12:09

uh-oh. That's an awfully high pick to get skipped.

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StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 12:09

Baldwin has timed out at 12ET. AP10 is on the clock.

148

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 12:11

Anyone have a queue for him?

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Baldwin
ID: 487442022
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 12:17

I left my cell # but I guess no one can call.

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Baldwin
ID: 487442022
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 12:26

Hmmm, I guess I left my cell# on every draft I was in but this one. Still there were plenty over overlapping owners who knew where I was and how I could be reached.

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Doug
ID: 57352917
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:05

I have 2 early 3rd round picks that I'd be willing to package to move up to one of the next picks if you aren't excited by the current guys, etc.

152

Action Figure
ID: 28741412
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:23

I don't think I have your number Baldwin. You can send it to me at greeninshness@yahoo.com

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StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:34

Expansion This (Houston) is on the clock for pick 2.01 starting at 13:22.

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Ref
ID: 47522422
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 14:01

I have not discussed this with StL yet, but it is my opinion that the firt round went so fast that we can keep the per pick time limit at 4 hrs. At least two people ahve 4 hours added to their commulative clock. 8 hours total will result in your being skipped for the rest of the draft. We anticipated knocking time off the per pick clock and that's why there is 8 hrs instead of 9 or 10. We started out a day late, but we got through 18 picks yesterday. If we can do that again, we will be back on track. If we can continue with the 4 hour clock into the 4th or 5th round, I think StL and I (with your blessing)would even give some leeway on that 8 hr comm clock and add some time as long as it's not the same people getting skipped.

Remember, if you get skipped twice, you may be replaced. Last year, a team that was borderline to return then missed his keeper deadline and got skipped on his first pick of the draft and was replaced immediately. I do not see that as a problem here and to get through 18 picks in one day is more than we'd imagined! Keep up the great work and for the people that took some time to pick, remember, if you have class or work issues, etc. and need to send a Q to someone, I'm sure you'll be taken care of--even if you do get back in time to make the pick yourself.

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Baldwin
ID: 487442022
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 14:42

It didn't like your address AF. My # is 815 252 4367.

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StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 14:58

If someone wants to email the next people that are up, please do so. I am to beat right now

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Action Figure
ID: 28741412
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 15:16

What's not to like?

My last name is Green.

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Action Figure
ID: 28741412
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 15:23

Go to greenishness.com for two pictures of Turner Field.

They make a really nice desk top. (If you like Baseball)

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Ref
ID: 47522422
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 15:41

Pride is in the middle of moving. He said that twarpy has his phone number so maybe twarpy can give him a buzz. I don't have a Q for him and haven't talked to him since last week. I will send him an email but bet he'd be on here already if he was online.

Baldwin I emailed you that you were up last night but you may not have checked it in time. Remember, these email queues are a courtesy that we are extending and won't be able to do it all the time.

160

Baldwin
ID: 487442022
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 15:56

No Harm done. I prolly should have taken one of the two taken after me, not the one taken before me anyway. I was just sure Kelley Washington was on someone's roster already and as much as I like Hollings I'm dieing at WR.

161

Baldwin
ID: 487442022
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 15:56

I am liking that OTC program over at KKB's site more and more. We should migrate.

164

Baldwin
ID: 487442022
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 16:45

Someone get RFS over to the Poliboard draft. He's been skipped and it's racing.

165

GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 18:11

Question, does CEHP time out at 1910?
I'll probably be on my way home then.
If that is true, will pick when I get home.

Cliff

166

Doug
ID: 57352917
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 18:21

Yes, he does time out at 19:10 EST.

I am still looking to trade up two EARLY next round picks (3.04 AND 3.06)... to get a round 2 pick (and I guess also a round 5 pick or whatever to balance it out).

167

Ref
ID: 47522422
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 20:52

Yes he did time out. I emailed him earlier w/o success.

168

Ref
ID: 47522422
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 21:52

Pride just got on and will pick soon. No word from GL yet.

169

GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 22:47

I've picked, Doug is up.

Cliff

170

Doug
ID: 57352917
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 22:58

CCRider trades:
2.07 & 5.07 + 2005 5th round pick
to Doug for:
3.04 & 3.06 + 2005 4th round pick

171

CCRider
ID: 50745239
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 23:14

Trade confirmed with Doug.

172

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 23:29

Ref has a 2 man queue for my next pick.

THK

173

Ref
ID: 47522422
Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 00:21

thk, I have passed yout Q on to deep as I am spent and need to get some sleep.

174

Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 00:57

I'll be gone from 7:30am to about 1:30 pm EST tomorrow. Anyone around who can take a 3-4 person queue? I've got 2.10 & 2.16. This should cover 2.10 and maybe 2.16 if it gets that far by 1:30 tomorrow.

pd

175

deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 01:05

Fred - Send it to Peter N. I'm pretty sure he's around in the AM. If need be, I can grab it out of his inbox if he's not available.

pnash2k3@hotmail.com

176

Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 01:06

Will do. Now rest that eye of yours, pirate.

177

deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 03:08

IM'd Peter N (he's up now!) and he's got PD's queue and the 2 player queue of THK. This blind old man is chasing a mouse up a clock this time....no wait, that's my wife!

178

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 10:59

I love that name "Me weld more". Sounds like he should be a steel worker with a name like that ;)

179

Ref
ID: 47522422
Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 12:41

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