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0 Subject: RGQFL #2 Draft Discussion

Posted by: Trip
- Donor [13961611] Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 09:26

Here is the link to the draft thread . Any league discussion should be held here and the looking for managers thread should be abandoned shortly.
1Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 09:31
Made my pick...Bandos is up.
Are we having a clock?
2Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 09:35
No clock till the first 5 picks have been made. Then we will be switching to a 6 hour clock. The clock will not run from 12 PM - 7 AM ET. We will need to discuss what to do on weekends, but I would like to see how we progress before then.
3BoNkA
      ID: 257141316
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 09:45
Why are we not using Fanball? At least there is a player pool to choose from. I'm sure someone else is, but I have 2 slow drafts going on now and have to keep track of the players myself.
4Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 09:54
I will leave the draft room up and update the picks nightly. If everyone can't access the draft room, we can't use it. I have given you commissioner rights so that you can input the picks yourself when it is your turn to pick.
5BoNkA
      ID: 075139
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:05
Oh ok. You didn't have to give me commissioner, I would have been fine with you entering them at the end of the day. But that sounds good to me, a little easier than keeping track after 6-7 rounds yourself. Thanks.
6BoNkA
      ID: 075139
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:15
Just noticed this at the bottom of the draft page, looks like we're going to have to cough up the money now:

Your draft is in a two round trial. For access to the rest of the draft, click here to pay.
7Bandos
      ID: 13762111
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:20
Where/how do I pay? Thanks.
8Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:25
I will send out a paypal invoice this evening. If you don't have a paypal account, I am fine with a check.
9BoNkA
      ID: 075139
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:25
This is quite wierd. I now cannot see it at the bottom, not sure where it went. I know I'm not hallucinating. But anyways, we're going to have to collect money at some point and might as well just get it out of the way now.
10Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:26
I paid.
11BoNkA
      ID: 075139
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:27
Keep in mind Paypal takes a bit of the money. Probably 20-40 cents out of the $5 or so we're sending. So if you would prefer a check, please let us know.
12Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:29
btw, the draft room is included in the league fee.
13Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:30
I would prefer a check actually.
14 Bandos
      ID: 13762111
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:34
Check it is, email the address and name or post it. Thanks
15 Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:36
Ditto
16BoNkA
      ID: 075139
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:39
Yeah, please send out a group email with your address so we can get those mailed. And it's $5 I assume? Seems like someone is making a profit :D But that's ok. Maybe we can make the extra the prize for the winner. I'm sure someone would be happy taking the huge $10 prize pool :)

Since that was sarcastic, and we do have $10 extra by my calculations, maybe we can donate that to Guru? Just a thought.
17 Bags
      ID: 13312922
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:40
I will pay by check.

also made my pick.
18 BoNkA
      ID: 075139
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:46
Email
19Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:50
group e-mail will be sent tonight. If you want to make checks for $4.30 that is fine with me. If paypal would be easier, then paypal me $5.00 to account for the 30 cent charge and their percentage charge.
20BoNkA
      ID: 075139
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:53
Yeah, I think I'll paypal it, saves me from writing a check and mailing it. How the internet has made us lazy...
21BoNkA
      ID: 075139
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:54
And wow, Manning at the 4 spot. Wish I was down in the middle of the draft to get one of those RB that just slipped down a spot or two.
22Greybear
      ID: 3275208
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 12:41
I'll write you a cheque for 10 bucks for me and Letter_J. I don't know how to "paypal".
23Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:13
Not sure if this will work...

Link to Draft Room
24Greybear
      ID: 3275208
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:14
I have a bit of a ditzy question to ask as I anxiously await my turn to draft a player : How do I "bold" my pick???
25Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:26
HTML Recap
26I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:44
From a post in RQFL#1:

"and perhaps put them in bold which is done in the following format [b]1.01 Ricky Williams, RB, MissingInAction[/b], where you use <> instead of []..."
27Greybear
      ID: 3275208
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 14:44
[b]testing[/b]
28BoNkA
      ID: 075139
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 15:01
it's < and > not [ and ]. like this
29Greybear
      ID: 3275208
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 16:14
like this ?
30Greybear
      ID: 3275208
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 16:15
Got it, thanks BoNkA.

Is anybody else getting a bit "draft horny" or is it just me?
31I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 17:00
LOL, too funny. Just an FYI for you guys... you may have to wait a few more hours.

See Post#88 in This Link

He's up right now...
32Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 17:14
Thanks again IAC.

I would encourage people to use the queue system on fanball to make picks in the future. Anyone can update their picks in the draft thread.
33dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 18:59
FYI, Wildcats52 has timed out (actually, he timed out at 5:20), but Im not going to skip his pick right now. I dont think anyone would be happy if their first round pick was skipped.
34Doug
      ID: 57352917
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 19:05
Greybear, fortunately I have several other drafts already complete or currently in progress, so my horniness has subsided... but I know how you feel.

I agree, there is no HUGE rush... let's just give Wildcats a couple more hours to go ahead and pick. First round skippage totally sucks, but so does not being available and not leaving a queue!!! *ahem*

It's a first offense though, so let's be lenient. =-)
35Wildcats52
      ID: 597241720
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 19:52
Sorry I was late picking. I will leave a que next time.Who could I leave a que with?
36I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 20:04
I would suggest that you leave your queue with someone that doesn't draft close to you.

In your case, it might be a good idea to look at the guys 1-3. + If you look up top, all of them left their emails in posts 14,15 & 17.

GL,

IAC
37dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 20:18
Im having trouble getting into the Fanball site. Once I can get through, I'll make the pick there, but for now I posted it in the draft thread.
38Letter_J
      ID: 47324128
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 20:36
Crackhead, available at #9...sweet.

39Greybear
      ID: 47324128
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 21:08
Forgot to put my "1.11", I apologize. Didn't get the guy I wanted...but I guess Barlow will have to do.

Will some people post throught the night? I'm thinking of going offline and checking back in the morning. I don't want to hold up the process.

Later,
GB
40Doug
      ID: 57352917
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 21:12
I would recommend leaving a queue in that case... good chance it will get back to you tonight.
41Valkyrie
      ID: 487212423
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 21:12
My guess is that it gets back to you GB. I am west coast and I from past drafts I know Peter is pretty diligent.
42I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 21:14
You can send me your queue GB. I'll take J's too if he wants to leave it.
43Greybear
      ID: 47324128
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 21:28
I'll stay on for a while longer and will send a queue to I_A_C if I sign off before my pick. As for J, he's in La-La land and I can't wake him up. He did not discuss his picks with me so it looks like it might stop with him tonight.
44 I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 21:38
Greybear... I suggest downloading AIM - (Click me)

That way you can stay in contact with most of the Guru's on the boards, and it's easier for me to take your queue too. :)

Once you have it installed, add my name to your buddy list. It's: IAMCANADIAN20040

If you have any question's, send me an email for now.
45wolfer
      Sustainer
      ID: 18639422
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 21:41
Was the e-mail sent?
46I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 21:46
She did the pick herself. I would suggest getting AIM any though.
47Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 22:29
Picks updated through 2.05 . I don't feel like thinking any more tonight. I have set my queue, so check the draft room, but don't think I'll be sending out the payment e-mail this evening.

Wildcats make your pick on the fanball draft room and my pick should go through automatically.
48Wildcats52
      ID: 597241720
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 06:28
If dgrooves can make his pick on fanball mine should go thru automatically. I have set up a queue on fanball.
49BoNkA
      ID: 257141316
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 10:18
Um, how about we get the numbers right in the draft thread. J forgot to put any in and you guys just kept going. Come on, you're smarter than that!
51BoNkA
      ID: 257141316
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 13:57
Heh, woops. Too many drafts, I can't keep it straight, sorry. That also makes me realize I'm not going to get much of anything when it does get back to me. Wasn't even that happy with Jones, can't wait to see the RB garbage that's left.
52Bandos
      ID: 13762111
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 14:21
Im back til 5pm EST, then I will repost my invisi Q.
53Bags
      ID: 13312922
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 14:32
I can not access the Fanball draft at my work. I will be able to make by pick on the message forum.

Just a little FYI.
54BoNkA
      ID: 257141316
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 14:59
I don't think Fanball matters too much right now. As long as it's on the forum, it will get entered into Fanball.
55Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 16:08
Made my Pick...Bandos is up
56wolfer
      ID: 58546215
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 17:22
I won't be around a computer from 5:00 CDT until 9:45, so I also set a Q.
57Bags @ work
      ID: 28641921
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 20:46
I will make my pick on the message board shortly.
58Bags @ work
      ID: 28641921
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 20:56
pick has been made. I can not get on fanball from work.

Sorry.
59dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 21:06
Bags' pick has been entered, wolfer left a queue, so Doug is now on the clock with pick 3.05.
60 The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 23:46
I'm going to be out after 12:30 Friday for the rest of the day. Who can take a queue from me?
61 Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 23:57
Thanks Beezer, please send your queue to me. Hopefully, I'll be able to draft two rounds for you.

I sent out the paypal invoice, for those who don't want to use paypal, I have included my address.

Valkyrie, I am as frustrated as you are trust me. But please keep your frustrations in this thread.

If we don't pick up the pace, this will get ugly. There is no reason not to use fanball (or someone else) for your draft queues.

I am thinking that we may need to limit the draft time to 4 hours. For teams at the corners (last three picks in any round) I would be willing to give a 6 and a 2 hour time limit combined.

Any objections to this proposal?

For this weekend, I think we need to stick to a strict 6 hour time limit. This can be reevaluated next weekend.

Any objections to this proposal?
62Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 00:14
Sounds good Trip
63The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 00:19
I'll vote for that.

Trip, thanks for volunteering - I'll hopefully be able to make at least one pick myself. I'll forward you a list of enough guys to cover rounds 3 and 4 before I leave Friday. BTW, just to confirm, scoring for this league will match the RIFC exactly, correct?
64Valkyrie
      ID: 24718270
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 01:23
Sorry about posting in the wrong thread- I know better- in the throes of frustration (LOL) I didn't realize where I was. It will not happen again.
65Wildcats52
      ID: 597241720
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 06:31
I have set up a queue again in fanball. I will check in today and update it as needed.
66BoNkA
      ID: 257141316
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 07:48
I may have to set up a queue as I am helping freshmen move in and doing other stuff this Saturday and may not be able to hop on my computer. If so, would I set up a queue in Fanball or leave one with someone here?
67BoNkA
      ID: 257141316
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 07:52
And I'd like to add that I'm leaving at 8:30 this morning and shouldn't have computer access until about 12:30/1pm EST since I'm moving back to school. Is the limit still 6 hours? I'd get my picks in ASAP, it's not like I won't be around for the entire day.
68Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 08:50
Bonka,

You can send me a queue with intstructions (i.e. if I draft a qb in this round, draft a rb in this round and vice versa) or just use fanball.

The time limit for the weeekend will still be 6 hours. If there are no objections, today we will be moving to a 4 hour time limit for teams not on the ends.

However, you have a 6 hour time limit since you are one of the last three people to pick in any round.
69Bandos
      ID: 975278
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 09:10
Sounds good commish.
70Bandos
      ID: 975278
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 11:03
hmmm Val - you are finally up.
71Greybear
      ID: 3275208
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 12:46
The time limit is great! I know that people have better things to do then to just hang around their computers all day but their is no excuse not to set up a queue.
72The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 12:53
Queue is set in Fanball for my team. Can't wait to see how it turns out.
73Valkyrie
      ID: 24718270
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 15:05
Trip- your paId let me know if you didn't receive it- well I am next up but after waiting a couplke hours I too have set my draft queue- I hope it works right. I doubt I get another pick until Monday but I will check in periodically.
74Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 17:33
By any standard, Bonka is about to time out with this pick. It appears that he had intended on setting or sending a queue, but I have scoured my inbox and can't find anything from him. I don't want to, but I think that need should skip his pick or draft for him to keep this draft rolling.

I am leaning towards drafting for him, but would like to hear comments from other league members.
75Bandos
      ID: 13762111
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 18:24
My reading of your post 61 means that Bonka has 8 total hours for his 2 picks, so that is not up. 7:39 EST would time him out. He knew very well that he was about up. If he times out after 8 hrs, I think he has to be skipped to be fair. But what do I know, Im just a draft filler.....
76Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 18:49
You are right Bandos. I am going out for the evening, be back around 11 if we don't get too crazy. At 19:40 Rotoguru time, Bonka will have timed out. Hopefully he will check in soon. Otherwise, dgrooves, if you are here, you can que the draft room to skip Bonka's picks, or if Wildcats is around he can select for himself and the draft can continue.

Sry Bonka.
77Greybear
      ID: 47324128
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 21:05
I would like to apologize for being uncharacteristically late with my pick. I usually do these things fast but I had judged the drafting to go on for some time soooooooo, I went out, got a tad smashed and came back to see THIS : I was up and had been for a while. Oh well, hope nobody's nickers are in a knot.

I'll practice what I preach next time and leave a queue.
78dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 21:14
The Beezer left a queue on Fanball so Letter_J is up.
79dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 21:43
Doug, its Trip's turn to pick, not yours.
81Doug
      ID: 57352917
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 22:13
Whoops. I deleted it.
82dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 22:31
I wont tell anyone who it was.
83Letter_J
      ID: 47324128
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 22:33
I know...I know.

But it will cost you to know.

Letter_J
84Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 00:06
Glad to see Bonka made it...I apologize for my own delay.
85Doug
      ID: 57352917
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 00:07
And now the whole world knows my secret...
86Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 00:22
who's initials are RW?
87BoNkA@sparecomp
      ID: 207562722
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 07:53
I will be back around 3pm today most likely. Don't have time to make up a queue either. Sorry for any delays.
88Bandos
      ID: 13762111
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 08:27
Slowhand is up.
89Slowhand @ work
      ID: 40343218
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 09:26
Back to you Bandos :-)
90Bandos
      ID: 13762111
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 10:23
those SEA receivers are gone - next....
91Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 10:25
Seattle receivers were both already taken.
92Bandos
      ID: 13762111
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 10:40
Sorry, Ive corrected it - guess I need to work on my spreadsheet...
93Bags
      ID: 13312922
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 10:54
once someone puts Bandos pick on fanball mine will auto pick Jerry Porter.
94dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:30
Doug picked and Trip had a queue in the draft room, so Wildcats52 is on the clock.
95Doug
      ID: 57352917
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:33
Trip actually posted his own pick
96dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:36
Oops. He must have made the pick right as I opened the draft room.
97dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:57
Are we doing the draft rationales/commentaries?
98Greybear
      ID: 47324128
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 14:03
Peter N is up!
99Greybear
      ID: 47324128
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 14:08
Wow, it seems that we ar eon a little bit of a roll this afternoon.

100The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 14:10
I've left a queue in Fanball for my next pick. Great job everyone on getting our picks in - let's keep up this pace!
101deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 14:37
I've got Pete's pick.
102Valkyrie
      ID: 427122723
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 14:57
Nice pick Roy he wouldn't have made it back to you !!
103Greybear
      ID: 47324128
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 16:01
hmmmm, anybody know why fanball has Val. with D. Edwards and Bonka with J. McCareins while the draft board shows Val with J. McCareins????

Just wondering where it went wrong.
104Valkyrie
      ID: 427122723
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 16:07
I know what happened- couldn't wait for Bonka (again) McCareins was my pick but I put my draft queue on again (so I wouldn't slow us down) before McCareins got posted. The draft queue then picked Edwards for me. Should be McCareins as I posted and the mystery about my next choice preference is obviously gone. Too bad we are not using fanball direct at least that way we would only have one site to go to every pick.
105Valkyrie
      ID: 427122723
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 16:13
Fanball now shows Bonka with McCareins. If this is my fault I will live with it and take Edwards now instead of McCareins but if its not I prefer McCareins- also not sure why fanball picked McCareins for Bonka since we are still waiting for his second pick and my queue is screwed up now so I can't even queue my next pick ???
Thought Bonka said he would be back 3 pm EDT.
106Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 16:19
Bonka...you on?

I don't have a problem editing the picks, but I would like for Bonka to be cool with it first.
107Greybear
      ID: 47324128
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 16:20
I know, it's f_up for now... not that it really has any impact on me. I guess that you and Bonka will have to sort it out yourselves... unfortunatley, if you two can't come up with an amicable solution I would think that our co-commishes will have to rule on the issue (just my two cents).

Bonka did say that he was going to be back around 3 pm eastern. However, his 4 hours are far from over so I guess we will just have to wait.

108Valkyrie
      ID: 427122723
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 16:22
I am now actually waiting by my computer to try and get this straightened out but I can't wait too much longer. I doubt Bonka would take Edwards because he already has Lewis so if I get to keep McCareins can someone please pick Edwards for me 7.02. If this can't be done and because I can't queue I guess you all will just have to wait for me if Bonka should pick before I return.
109Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 16:40
You can set your queue up so that it will only take one player for you and then turn off. This is probably what he did. Thinking this over, even though this was your fault Valkyrie, you should not be punished for using your queue. I am going to go ahead and reset the picks.
110Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 16:49
I may be out of power here shortly, nasty thunderstorm coming through. May not be here for too much longer. Great progress everyone. I wish I could say we could slack off, but we need to maintain this pace. I appreciate everyone using their queues.
111Greybear
      ID: 47324128
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 18:27
I am attempting to set up a queue in fanball since we seem to have stalled and I need to get out of this freakin' appartment.

If it doesn't work out don't worry, I will be back before 10:00 Atlantic time to make my pick:the Bar is just a stagger away!

Later,
GB
112Greybear
      ID: 47324128
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 18:39
I just went! so I guess that beezer is on. Letter_J is not here at the moment but I will get a hold of him and make sure his pick - assuming beezer goes - gets posted before 10:00 Atlantic time.
113Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 18:44
Per Beezer's previous post, he said that he left a queue. From the looks of things, it looks like he had his queue active.

Everybody, please check your queue settings.
114I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 21:20
Hey Greybear... I need Letter_J's AIM... I lost it. Could you have him send it to me.

Thanks,

IAC
115Greybear
      ID: 47324128
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 21:45
Ben, I am on AIM right now,Letter_J is "ornerybarrister" (sp?). That is all I know. Come on AIM and I will get him to talk to you some more... maybe y'all can sort this thing out
116The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 00:31
Grrrrr - didn't turn on my queue to make a pick. I'll pick in a minute.
117The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 00:46
OK pick is made in Fanball and on the board.

dgrooves, I'm up for draft rationales if you want to start a thread.
118Bags
      ID: 13312922
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 13:02
I have the auto pick set on fanball. I will be back about 8:00pm CST to make my 2nd pick.

If it makes it that far...
119Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 17:01
My ISP went down yesterday evening and just came back on. My pick was selected automatically on Fanball, so while it appears that it was skipped, it was not. Doing chores around the house I will on and off the comp for the rest of the afternoon/evening.
121Slowhand @ work
      ID: 40343218
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 19:03
Just checked in, will pick in a few..
122Bags
      ID: 13312922
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 21:41
HELP!

I have my queue set on fanball draft but am getting this message when i go to the draft room. I need to get in there to see who I need to pick next. Here is the message I am getting.

Unable to Connect
Problem

The VolanoChat applet failed to connect to the VolanoChat server either because the server has reach its capacity or because the server is temporarily down.
Solution

Wait a few minutes and try again.
If that didn't work ...

You may be trying to connection through an HTTP proxy server. The VolanoChat applet cannot connect to the VolanoChat server through an HTTP proxy server because it doesn't communicate using HTTP. Try switching the connection to a SOCKS proxy server or try using a network address translating (NAT) router for your firewall, if either of those options are available for you. VolanoChat works fine through a firewall using SOCKS or NAT. Your network administrator may be able to help you change your settings to work with VolanoChat.
123Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 21:47
I had the same problem earlier, their servers are probably experiencing heavy activity during peak draft times. I disabled the chat feature and was able to connect without problems - besides being unable to chat.
124wolfer
      Sustainer
      ID: 18639422
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 21:48
Disable the chat option on the draft front page, Bags.
125Bags
      ID: 13312922
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 21:50
That was the ticket. Thanks!

I will make my pick in a few minutes.
126Bags
      ID: 13312922
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 22:05
Made my pick, sorry for the delay. I need to catch up on who went where.
127BoNkA
      ID: 257141316
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 08:32
Have class from 9-3 so I left a queue on Fanball.
128Bandos
      ID: 13762111
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 09:53
  QB RB WR TE K DEF DL LB DB
1. Slowhand Favre Holmes Tjones George Krobinson Ward Fitzgerald            
2. Bandos Vick Tomlinson Barber Price Stallworth Shockey   NE      
3. Bags Hasselbeck Green Suggs Crogers Porter Jjones         Bullock  
4. Wolfer Manning Davis Garner Duckett Johnson Givens         Suggs  
5. Doug   McAllister Brown Owens Moulds Heap     Strahan Sharper  
6. Trip McNabb Alexander Jones Walker Wayne Winslow   BAL      
7. Wildcats52 Brooks Portis Martin Holt Johnson     CAR   Brooking  
8. dgrooves   Henry Griffin Wheatley McGahee Rmoss Chambers Jsmith            
9. Letter J Green Pennington Lewis Westbrook Foster Coles Bruce            
10. Beezer Garcia James Rjohnson Minor Ssmith Djackson Hall            
11. Greybear Bulger Barlow Ddavis Dayne Dmason Horn Keyshawn            
12. Peter N Brady Taylor Bennett Staley Rsmith         Lewis  
13. Valkyrie McNair Faulk Harrison McCareins Gonzo       Edwards  
14. Bonka Fatpepper Dillon     Dunn Smoss Burress Toomer            
129Bandos
      ID: 13762111
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 09:54
I think I got them all, if I didnt, just let me know to update it.
130Greybear
      ID: 3275208
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 12:17
Good job!
131Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 12:29
I loaded Valkyrie's pick in Fanball and that activated Bonka's 7.14 pick. However it appears that the rest of the players in his queue were taken, or he set it to make just one pick.

I can't blame him in either case, but it doesn't look like we'll be running again here till after 3.
132Greybear
      ID: 3275208
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 12:36
Trip, both of Bonka's picks are there.
133Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 12:41
Weird...usually it is instant, and the first pick was.
134I_AM_CANADIAN @ Work
      ID: 364563113
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 14:38
Ummm... Letter_J... You seem to be hoarding a lot of QB's... you know you can only start one per week right?

From RQL#3 latest discussion:

"Here is a recap of the league rules:
Roster
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR
1 TE
1 K
1 Team def
1 DL
2 IDP (flex)
8 bench
20 Total

So it would be 20 rounds."
135Letter_J
      ID: 30733010
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 15:19
Ben, aka IAC

Yes, I am aware of that fact little brother.

However, I had Plummer ranked about 40 some spots on my value board; that type of value was just too good to pass up.

I had planned on picking Philadelphia D; however, they went off the board the pick before.

136dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 18:07
Sorry about the delay. I didnt expect it to come back around to me so quickly.
137Bags @ work
      ID: 28641921
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 19:16
I have the auto pick set up for my 10th round pick. I will check back in a couple of hours to see if it made it back to me.
138 Slowhand @ work
      ID: 40343218
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 22:26
Trip-could you email me the league payment info to this email addy.Haven't been able to access my other account and don't want you to have to wait for my payment.Thanks
140Greybear
      ID: 3275208
      Tue, Aug 31, 2004, 19:21
Hi guys,

Sorry about the wait for Letter_J. I actually had to come back to my office and I posted his pick as him.

Our home PC is FUBR'ed! I will be leaving a queue in fanball. However, I don't like to make a long queue because I sometimes draft according to others picks. Hopefully it will be long enough to last for both picks.

As for Letter_J, if it gets back to him tonight, that might be it for the night as I don't know if we will be able to fix our PC and I sure as h*ll am not staying here hitting refresh all night!

Later,
GB
141dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Tue, Aug 31, 2004, 20:22
The Beezer and Greybear left queues in Fanball, so Peter N. is now on the clock.
142Peter N.
      ID: 327203016
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 01:17
Just picked. Sorry for the holdup everyone. I had a really busy night.
143Peter N.
      ID: 327203016
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 01:23
I guess I should clarify. It was an unexpected busy night. Again, my apologies for holding us up.
144Valkyrie
      ID: 427122723
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 01:47
My next pick is queued on Fanball.
145Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 07:53
Valkyrie - it probably is, but you probably have your queue disabled.
146Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 07:58
It would also be appreciated if teams would make more of an effort to input their picks in the fanball draft room. If anybody would like commissioner ability so that they can input other teams' picks, please let me know.
147Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 07:59
draft room
148dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 08:24
Trip, you posted the same pick for BoNkA twice.
149Peter N.
      ID: 327203016
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 10:17
I'm getting an error trying to access the draft room so I sent Trip a queue via e-mail for my 10th round pick.
150Valkyrie
      ID: 41847110
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 11:52
Sorry I was sure I had queued my pick in the draft room but I guess these things can happen when you wait 48 hrs between picks. At least I am halfway home
151Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 12:36
I'll check back in 3-4 hours;if it's not my pick by that time could someone take an emailed queue?
152 Letter_J
      ID: 30733010
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 12:39
I can slowhand; and I don't draft anywhere near you. :-)
153Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 16:33
Thanks Letter J; email sent I will check in later.

Bags- I think your last pick should have been 10.12
154Letter_J
      ID: 30733010
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 16:43
Slowhand,

Have not received your e-mail.

Is there a problem?
155I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 16:46
Hey Letter_J... you should check out the discussion in RQFL#1 D4. I wonder if anyone else in your league is playing with the same strategy?
156Letter_J
      ID: 30733010
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 16:53
Saw it already little brother.

I understood it the same way as you; you have to play a DL.

Ergo, the premium on people like Rucker, Peppers, Grant, etc.

157The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 17:39
My understanding is the same. The only person I can see that may be impacted by this currently in our league is Peter N.'s team since he has two linebackers and one defensive back (although RW may have been a homer pick and he also interpreted that LB doesn't equal DL).

In addition, 8 of 14 teams have chosen a DL, and 4 of them have not chosen players at any other position. I never really had a question about this, and since we're playing Fanball I don't think the Yahoo discrepency would be a factor here anyway. FWIW.

158Greybear
      ID: 30733010
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 17:45
Just thought I would confirm that I too understood that one "true" DL was required, although I have not selected one as of yet: You can't fit a square peg into a round hole.
159Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 17:58
A DL is required. I think guru made this very clear. This league is patterned off of the RIFC, not RQFL#1. If anyone misinterpreted the roster requirements, the only consolation I can offer is an apology for not making this clearer earlier.
160Doug
      ID: 57352917
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 18:00
I would like to second (or at this point, more like forty-seventh) that motion. A DL is a DL, not an LB.
162dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 19:05
Did anyone get that queue from Slowhand?
163BoNkA@sparecomp
      ID: 207562722
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 19:09
Well this is great. I've had no internet all day because they decided to take it down on us in the dorms. I only had that queue set up for 2 picks, wasn't supposed to be for more. Why the hell would I draft 2 team defenses? My draft is now pretty screwed up so I'm going to ask to drop the Dolphins D and redraft that pick.
164BoNkA@sparecomp
      ID: 207562722
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 19:20
I would like to take Lamont Jordan. That or someone can trade me a RB for the Phins defense. My internet is extremely slow, but I will try and set up a new queue later for my next picks, heh.
165The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 19:56
Well, we've basically reached the halfway point of the draft. At this rate, we'll be done the morning of Thursday, September 9.

Since there's a game that night, I think it'd be ideal to at least have one full day to set rosters and assess our week 1 matchups (I assume that rosters can be changed up to kickoff of the game for the player/team in question). We need to average about one pick per active draft hour to be done Wednesday night, so let's keep those queues at the ready.

We've done pretty good at being timely on picks up to now. Let's focus on getting those picks in quickly and being prepared to pick. And thanks to all league members for being flexible and easy to work with - I think this is going to be a great league on its own merits.

166Letter_J
      ID: 47324128
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 19:56
Concerning post #162, I have yet to receive it in my e-mail.

As regards post#164, BoNka, Lamont Jordan is no longer available, FWIW.
167Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 21:20
Bonka...If you want to replace your Miami D pick with somebody who isn't taken, I am cool with that...again, I won't punish people for using a queue. That being said, I would rather you negotiate a trade or at least trade draft picks...this would probably be better for you as well.
168BoNkA@sparecomp
      ID: 207562722
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 21:22
Hmm, didn't know Jordan was gone. This is great as I would have taken Moe Williams with that pick and he got selected after me. Guess I'll be leaving the draft with 2 RBs, so someone hopefully will be willing to make a trade.
169Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 21:36
Picked. Boy, I am sorry to hold up the draft.. not sure what happened...but I had to leave as soon as I fired off the email.
170The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 21:37
Bonka I emailed you a trade offer.
171Doug
      ID: 57352917
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 21:46
Bonka I emailed you a trade offer as well.
172Doug
      ID: 57352917
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 21:52
Also, please let me know ASAP since I'm on deck...
173BoNkA@sparecomp
      ID: 207562722
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 21:55
My internet is extremely slow right now, so I'm trying to check my email.
174Doug
      ID: 57352917
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 22:07
You can AOL IM me as "SiriusAdventures" or Yahoo! Messenger me as "turbulent_bliss"
175The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 22:25
Bonka informed me via email that he has accepted the trade of:

Miami D and Santana Moss

for

Travis Minor and Darrell Jackson
176Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 22:39
Yawn...will process the trade...what about your pick?
177Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 22:41
Sry...not your pick. Glad you guys worked something out.
178Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 22:56
Trade updated as if the players were drafted...let me know if everything looks ok.
179The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 22:59
Looks good to me.
180Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 23:44
Grrrrr...Doug, you were here 2 hours ago with ants in your pants...biting my tongue.
181Bags
      ID: 13312922
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 00:24
Trip, why would you skip yourself?
182Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 00:24
I have skipped Doug and myself. When Doug makes his selection give me a reasonable amount of time to make mine.

In the future, if anyone knows their pick is coming up, hide or leave a queue; but don't waste our time. I am paying the price for this one, but won't play the martyr in the future.
183Doug
      ID: 422281412
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 02:41
a) I was checking my email every 5 minutes for about an hour there and I STILL haven't received a reply from Bonka regarding my trade offer for this pick.
b) Sometimes, unexpected things come up that may require an hour or two or three of my time at very short notice. Such is the nature of my job.
c) I just walked in the door from work and decided to check the message board (after my email, of course) and was probably going to pick despite the fact I hand't received a reply to my trade offer (so I now clearly see that Bonka will not be trading for this pick). Instead, I am greeted by this.
d) The pick before me was made at 22:54. That means the 4 hour active draft clock would run until 9:54am EST before my pick would expire and be skipped.
e) It's not like I've been slowing things down in this draft. My average time per pick on the live draft clock through 11 rounds: 36 minutes. That's better than our average per pick thus far of 55 active draft minutes per pick (we ran for 12.5 hours the first day, plus seven 17 hour days since... divided by 144 valid picks through #11.04)
f) All that said, I will assume this was an honest mistake and let it go...

Posting pick in a few...
184dgrooves
      ID: 513181020
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 07:56
I dont really understand why Doug and Trip where skipped or what it accomplished? I think Doug deserves an explanation, and I am certainly curious.

Doug hadnt timed out, Trip was never on the clock, and it was done during the "dead" time of the draft [after midnight EST].
185Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 08:35
Doug,

I'm sorry. I was just trying to keep the draft moving. I got tired of waiting for you to pick. I was under the impression that it would be any minute now and was staying up to make sure the boards got updated from the draft room. I would not have and won't do this again.
186Letter_J
      ID: 30733010
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 08:52
Trip,

Pick 11.06 Josh Fargas should read 11.06 Justin Fargas. Just a FYI; no big deal at all. I think all understand who was picked and fanball will have the correct name.

187BoNkA@sparecomp
      ID: 207562722
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 10:04
I am sorry for not responding to your email. I had to leave after I replied to the other offer and accepted it, so I forgot. There's been too much going on around here and half the time I have no or extremely slow internet access, which I did not plan on before joining this league.
188Greybear
      ID: 3275208
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 10:18
Hey all,

I think that the slow draft might be getting to all of us. Lets remember that we have to co-exhist for a whole season so lets try to be civil... at least for now (I am not above good trash talking once the season starts).

Lets lead by example and not have our thread turn into the circus that is developing in RGQFL #1.
189Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 10:29
As a member of both leagues all I can say is Amen Greybear.;-)
Remember...this is a game ;it's supposed to be fun.
190Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 11:07
It's all good... as far as I'm concerned post 185 means we've all kissed and made up. We now join our regularly scheduled enjoyment of this league already in progress. =-)
191Peter N.
      ID: 327203016
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 12:09
Trip, I sent you an e-mail queue this morning, but I guess you didn't get it? Anyway, just picked. Sorry for the holdup.
192Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 12:50
Peter - no prob...I didn't check my e-mail at home this morning and when checked at work it appears that my wife had already downloaded them from the server. Do let me know when you are sending a queue though.
193Greybear
      ID: 3275208
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 13:29
I see that I am up after Peter. I have to go downstairs and meet with my boss (God only knows how long it will take).

Trip or Dgrooves (or anyone else whom has the power to do so)- I have set up a queue of two players in Fanball. If Peter picks before my return, please enter the picks and mine should enter automatically.
194Letter_J
      ID: 30733010
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 13:34
At post #135, IAC posted the following that had been taken from RQL#3's latest discussion:

"Here is a recap of the league rules:
Roster
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR
1 TE
1 K
1 Team def
1 DL
2 IDP (flex)
8 bench
20 Total

So it would be 20 rounds."

As a consequence, I ask the following:

12 players must be started weekly, correct. Must a DL be started every week? In other words, if you did not have a spare DL for the bye week of your starting DL, would you receive zero points for the DL position? Or can any IDP be played weekly?

Perhaps the answer is obvious and I'm not analyzing the situation correctly.

195Bags
      ID: 13312922
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 13:40
Question: are we able to draft players who are not on the Fanball player list?

196Greybear
      ID: 3275208
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 13:45
If DL is a required position - just like the QB position - I would assume one has to be played every week. No?
197Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 13:58
You will have to play one Defensive lineman every week.

If you only have one DL and he is on bye, you would not have to pick one up, but you would receive no points at that slot. You would however still get your points from the other 2 IDP slots.

YOU ARE ABLE TO DRAFT PLAYERS WHO ARE NOT ON THE FANBALL LIST.

You can do a search in the draft room and find players who aren't listed in the tables on that page.
198Letter_J
      ID: 30733010
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 14:39
Thank you, Trip.

That was how I saw it. However, the fiasco that is happening in RQFL#1 had me second guessing myself. And it doesn't hurt to bring the topic to the fore so that we are able to avoid any such hiccups.
199Doug
      ID: 57352917
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 14:50
To clarify, I assume you must have all starting positions FILLED to have a valied lineup (you must have a DL)... it's just that there is no requirement that your DL couldn't be on a bye week, or on IR, or anything else along those lines. As long as a positionally-qualified DL is in that slot (and all other startings slots are similarly filled), then your lineup is valid.
200Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 15:06
Doug - you are correct, just tried it in another league...you will have to have a dl on your roster, but you can leave him in that position if you don't want to drop a player for the bye week.
201Greybear
      ID: 3275208
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 15:10
Another question, are we going to do a thread on rationales? Not that it really means much to me as I doubt I will be enlightening any of you with my words of semi-wisdom.
202Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 16:18
I will be out of touch tomorrow and won't be able to check in very frequently throughout the weekend. I have granted commissioner rights to all teams so that teams will have the ability to enter picks made on the boards. I will remove this after the weekend is over. I have a queue of about 30 players entered now and hope to get this up to 60 so that I won't be the limiting factor while I am unavailable.
203Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 16:29
I have created another thread for the draft discussion. This one is getting dial-up/guru bandwidth unfriendly. Please do not post anything else in this thread.

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