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Subject: RQFL #3 draft discussion Part 2 Posted by: Battles - [517373013] Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 11:29 WG times out in 30 minutes. We'll be back to him soon with a q from AG and my picks. Are we going to wait another 3 hours for him to time out? | ||||||
| 1 | Promize ID: 19742168 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 11:35 |
How many rounds do we have left on this draft? I am really contemplating just purchasing the Kafentid draft for this league... Like I said, I would enter the players etc for the league... Pay the 10.00 big deal.. lol Then we can get a specific timer as well as have those emails going out letting folks know it is time to pick... | |||||
| 2 | Hubble ID: 447323112 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 11:40 |
NO, i say we don't wait anymore for Twarpy, LilPeeper and Wazaap_Guy... but i guess commish decides whatever... | |||||
| 3 | Battles ID: 517373013 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 11:43 |
promize-it's pretty easy to keep track of the time. it's in the last post and the current time is at the top of the forum page. You know all of our other league really likes otc, but i'm not willing to invest (even a penny) if half the league is pretty much uncommitted. | |||||
| 4 | Baldwin ID: 417442918 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 11:53 | I don't know if these people are uncommitted or maybe they really want to play but they are actually too busy to be involved in a draft. Some people in this league are really getting me steamed tho. | |||||
| 5 | Promize ID: 19742168 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 12:00 |
Well I know I have heard the college execuse a bunch, but hell, I have a full senior level schedule as well as 3 academic test I gotta take before december graduation... Taking about 30 seconds to sign on to the net isn't a big deal... Sometimes adding a prize pool can help with this attitude... People seem to care a bit more ... heh... Just a suggestion... | |||||
| 6 | Baldwin ID: 417442918 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 12:12 | So who is keeping the clock on Wazuuupguy? When does he finally time out? | |||||
| 7 | Pops ID: 54726118 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 12:25 | He technically had timed out when you posted Baldwin. 8-11 CST was his 3 hour time frame. | |||||
| 8 | Baldwin ID: 5331017 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 13:47 | I'm picking atm...just checking the gut. | |||||
| 9 | Baldwin ID: 5331017 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 14:06 | Promize has taken over from Eugene? Promize is up then. | |||||
| 10 | Battles ID: 517373013 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 14:17 | In our other league he stated that he has some classes today. It usually doesn't take him more than a hour to show back up. | |||||
| 11 | holt ID: 497552 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 14:24 |
it's easy to understand when people are unable to log-in for large chunks of a day, but it's hard to understand a complete refusal to use queues. if you sign up for a slow-draft league and you can only check in twice a day then you've gotta have a "cheat-sheet" ready to make queues off of. what we want is to average 1 hour per pick. the 3-hour time limit isn't there to encourage us to use up the 3 hours. if you're going to be away from a computer for several hours then slap a queue together and send it out. football season starts in EIGHT DAYS. | |||||
| 12 | kev ID: 3155515 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 14:25 | 7 picks already today. Now I feel we hit a slow spot again though- hopefully not! If I can pick before I go to work, I will be very happy. | |||||
| 13 | holt ID: 497552 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 14:25 | 8 picks in two hours! this is nice. | |||||
| 14 | Battles ID: 517373013 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 14:52 | Can we go to a 2 or 1.5 hour time limit? That will encourage q's and stop us from having to drop it to .5 hours 2 days before the games start. | |||||
| 15 | kev ID: 3155515 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 15:03 | I'm leaving in an hour for work- anyone want to take my que? If not, I will just send it to Battles | |||||
| 16 | Pops ID: 54726118 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 15:03 |
1.5 hrs has my vote. This will reward the people who can check in more often, or encourage the people who can't to leave Q's. Either way, the draft moves faster. | |||||
| 17 | Baldwin ID: 417442918 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 15:06 | Dang it Promize, what cheat sheet are you going by? I was absolutely positive with only one LB required Brushi would slip to me much later. He wasn't this highly rated in any sheet I saw. But I had him last year...sweet! | |||||
| 18 | Baldwin ID: 417442918 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 15:13 | Grrrr...Bruschi went in the 15th round in RIFC. | |||||
| 19 | Hubble ID: 447323112 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 15:23 |
I don't think you guys should wait for Twarpy's and LilPeeper's pick... it would break the nice pace of this morning... And if they want their turn not to be skipped they should give us either a queue or even drop in the forum and give us idea as for when to would be here... wich i doubt they will ever care to do... since the only post one of them ever managed to grant us was the famous "Why was i skipped" post... i also vote for the 1.5 hours clock... | |||||
| 20 | kev ID: 3155515 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 15:25 | yeah, Bruschi was on my radar screen too. I guess in a draft like this, you take your guy when you want him, cuz chances are, someone else wants him to...like Stephen Jackson! | |||||
| 21 | kev ID: 3155515 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 15:27 |
I don't have time right now, but why don't we figure out what clock we need to run by to get the draft done by lets say, Wed afternoon? That way, we can have all the draft picks set up in that time frame. If someone goes early, the next person gets a little extra time if they need it. It could work- just a suggestion. I have to work on my que- I will send it along to holt and battles. | |||||
| 22 | kev ID: 3155515 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 15:35 |
que sent to Battles and Holt If anyone needs to leave me a que for PM, I will be around late. | |||||
| 23 | Hubble ID: 447323112 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 15:48 | Kev you mean something like i have to wait 12 hour before my next pick? no matter of draft order? or just the 1.5 hour time out | |||||
| 24 | Hubble ID: 447323112 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 15:51 | Well if i thought i could get Stephen Jackson in round 9 i guess i was all wrong... grrrrr | |||||
| 25 | holt ID: 497552 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 15:56 |
let's try moving to a 2 hour clock first. starting right now. there are 163 picks left. one week left to draft. 14 hours a day on the clock, so 98 hours clock-time left. that's 1.7 hours per pick. factor in the picks that we make when the clock's not running and the picks that only use a few minutes of the clock, and it seems that 2 hours will allow us to finish the draft with time to spare. | |||||
| 26 | Baldwin ID: 417442918 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 16:11 | You might have gotten Jackson if people didn't keep picking all my WR picks right before they get to me. It seems I'm always right there as the quality level drops down a serious notch. I had a lot of intriguing WR's on the board who are currently somewhat injured before the season even begins and in danger of losing their starter roles even, talented guys not even garanteed a #2 WR slot if they miss any more practices, so I picked a guy who would for sure reclaim a huge role when he came back, Boldin. Hey if you don't have the confidnce you will get into the playoffs what are you doing in this league of big-ego experts? By the time I do Boldin will be golden. | |||||
| 27 | holt ID: 497552 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 16:27 |
boldin is probably a good pick. I believe pops is on the clock now. | |||||
| 28 | Pops ID: 54726118 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 16:34 |
I feel a little uneasy about 'taking advantage' of the 3 --> 2 hr move in the middle of someone's pick. I certainly wouldn't mind picking right now, but were I in Twarpy's shoes, it would certainly seem very unfair. I'll wait this one out another hour...and even then we can just pretend it took me an hour to make my pick ;). | |||||
| 29 | Pops ID: 54726118 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 16:48 | How do we add players on rotoworld? | |||||
| 30 | holt ID: 497552 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 16:55 | well - he's timed out 3 times now. we can wait til tomorrow to change the rule though. not that big of a deal. | |||||
| 31 | Promize ID: 19742168 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 17:05 |
Well my team, although somewhat good, I think is also a bit weak.. And probably wouldn't of been my picks considering how I have done in other drafts. According to my yahoo defense rankings, Buschi was in the top 10 of points, and offered stats in all the catagories that are covered in this league... Hopefully the person I really needed will be available when it comes my turn... | |||||
| 32 | Battles ID: 517373013 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 17:28 |
TIME TO PICK. | |||||
| 33 | holt ID: 497552 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 17:38 | sent my queue out to battles and promize. it should cover my next 2 picks (just in case). | |||||
| 34 | beastiemiked Sustainer ID: 03531815 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 17:53 | Queue for my next 2 rounds sent out to Battles and Baldwin. | |||||
| 35 | Athletics Guy ID: 24723018 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 18:34 |
Feel free to send/forward any queues if you're not going to be around. Are we going by a 3 or 2 hour limit right now? | |||||
| 36 | Baldwin ID: 417442918 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 19:04 | Lil Peeper up. | |||||
| 37 | Hubble ID: 447323112 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 19:19 |
Pops, what i meant bu post 19 is that Twarpy already timed out twice if not thrice... and LilPeeper once + once was 3:51... | |||||
| 38 | Athletics Guy ID: 24723018 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 20:04 |
As if this draft wasn't already frustrating enough, I see someone posting in other threads but not even checking this draft when it's their turn... Will this madness ever end?! | |||||
| 39 | Baldwin ID: 417442918 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 20:33 | So grab them when you see them. | |||||
| 40 | Baldwin ID: 417442918 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 20:37 |
Really this is impossible. No one really knows who has timed out so therefore they don't know they can go ahead and pick. I don't understand why people join leagues they have no intention of paying any attention to. | |||||
| 41 | Baldwin ID: 417442918 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 20:39 | Battles and Holt have Kev's Queue. | |||||
| 42 | Athletics Guy ID: 24723018 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 20:39 | I notice LP also posted in the TSN Ultimate #5 thread at the time of 17:08. At the time of the 17:08 post, Twarpy and Pops were the only managers going before his next pick. All it took was a short 3-player queue, is that so hard to do? But to not check the draft 2 and a half hours later when he was around to pick is inexcusable! | |||||
| 43 | Baldwin ID: 417442918 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 20:40 | Per post #22. | |||||
| 44 | Battles ID: 517373013 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 20:43 |
lil has been skipped. his time was 3 hours from pops pick. 3 picks have been made off of q's. Blue Hen is up. | |||||
| 45 | Athletics Guy ID: 24723018 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 20:44 | Phi D is taken already (Holt 8.04) | |||||
| 46 | Battles ID: 517373013 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 20:48 |
I edited it out. I didn't expect to have to look that far up for a q that was sent a couple hours ago. Sorry. He wanted Denver d after that, so I made that pick. Blue hen is up | |||||
| 47 | holt ID: 497552 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 22:29 | thanks for helping with all these q's battles! | |||||
| 48 | Hubble ID: 447323112 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 22:37 |
well i'm picking... and if ever Blue Hen is cdrafting before his clock is up and if he wants the guy i pick... well he can take him.. i'm heading to bed and i'm sick of waiting... i'll make my other pick in the morning around 8:00am... btw Twarpy has 3 Time out at least now... commish plz set out clear rules for clock | |||||
| 49 | holt ID: 497552 Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 23:04 |
well - the rules are only clear if they read this thread. 2 hours per pick. that means either check in often, leave a queue, or get skipped. | |||||
| 50 | Promize ID: 19742168 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 00:23 |
Clock is off right now though right? cause I am going to bed! | |||||
| 51 | kev ID: 3155515 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 03:09 | For anyone who has my que, I am changing it up a bit. I will be around tommorow day though, so I should be able to pick quickly. | |||||
| 52 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 05:57 |
I'm gonna get justin's picks from him over the phone when he gets to work this morning. somewhere between 8 and 9 central. and yep - the clock is only in effect from 8am-10pm central. | |||||
| 53 | beastiemiked Sustainer ID: 03531815 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 09:41 | I'm glad I spent 45 minutes setting up my queue for my next 2 picks. I should've known the same people that always hold up the draft would hold it up again. | |||||
| 54 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 09:50 |
hubble - if you're around you can go ahead and pick. I talked to justin - he's working with a customer so he said to go ahead with the draft and he would call me with his picks when he's done. | |||||
| 55 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 10:00 | Blue Hen never did make his pick last round? Why join the league then? | |||||
| 56 | blue hen ID: 372102211 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 10:35 | I want to be in the league, but slow drafts are killer, especially at the pace we went for the first few rounds. I don't have much time to think about the draft, and I wish there was some sort of autopick from here on out. But I'll play (and win) the league. | |||||
| 57 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 10:49 | sent my queue to battles, promize, and athletics guy. | |||||
| 58 | Battles ID: 517373013 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 10:57 | That's crazy Blue Hen. No one that times out can complain about pace. That just seems funny to me. | |||||
| 59 | Hubble @ work ID: 44824210 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 11:26 | Ok, picking then... | |||||
| 61 | Battles ID: 517373013 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 11:47 | That's crazy Blue Hen. No one that times out can complain about pace. That just seems funny to me. | |||||
| 62 | Pops ID: 54726118 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 11:52 |
That is the funniest double post ever. Bar-none, no contest, ever! | |||||
| 63 | Athletics Guy ID: 19858210 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 14:07 |
From the original discussion thread: blue hen: I disagree Baldwin. Slow drafts that are held up by the same people again and again are absolutely terrible. | |||||
| 64 | Promize ID: 19742168 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 14:13 |
I'm havin a hard time seeing that this draft will be complete by the time the season starts... At this rate not sure it will be possible.. Especially with the holiday weekend coming up... From my estimates, we have about 93 hours of draft time left. (going off 8am-10pm each day) We have 20 rounds ? We are just starting Round 10 10 rounds x 14 mangers = 140 picks left 140 picks x 2 hours a pick = 280 hours 280 hours > 93 hours we have left to draft... Don't see it happening unless we change something or get everyone on at the same time for a quick finish draft... With the holiday this weekend, it is gonna get worse. Check my calculations, maybe I am goofing something up... | |||||
| 65 | kev ID: 3155515 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 14:42 | As per post 51, I would like to change my pick if that is alright....no one else has posted, so it shouldn't be too bad. | |||||
| 66 | beastiemiked Sustainer ID: 03531815 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 14:50 |
Go for it. Why can't we move at this pace all day? | |||||
| 68 | Pops ID: 54726118 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 14:54 |
GRRR S . O . B .!!! Thanks BMD...the double post had me getting a little carried away. | |||||
| 69 | Battles ID: 517373013 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 15:01 | kev-I erased your q pick. sorry, I had a q so I went ahead with it. | |||||
| 70 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 15:49 | That is pretty far out there Kev. Sure glad no one had picked in the interim or I would have a real problem with you changing your pick. | |||||
| 71 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 16:18 |
battles made the pick off of kev's Q, but kev was around and wanted to make a different pick so there's nothing shady about it. kev deserves praise for leaving a Q even though he was still checking in. now if we can get a few others on board with the whole queue concept we might make some progress. | |||||
| 72 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 16:20 | Ok, since it had already been errased I did not realize Kev hadn't actually made the pick or how much time had elapsed. | |||||
| 73 | kev ID: 3155515 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 16:27 |
i had posted in 51 that I was here, and wanted to change my que. battles missed it. I'm sorry if I caused any strife. I highly doubt the draft will get back to me tonight, but if it does, I will leave a que with Battles/Holt. | |||||
| 75 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 16:37 |
general note to everyone - please start putting queues together each day. if you haven't sent a queue to someone and you know you won't be checking in til a certain time of the day, then please just let us know. for example - if you don't have time to make a Q (it happens) and you know you're gone til 8PM, then just say so and we'll know not to waste a couple of hours waiting. it would be a big favor to us all. then you can make your pick at your own convenience, nobody gets upset, and the draft keeps moving. | |||||
| 76 | kev ID: 3155515 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 16:40 |
holt/battles Que sent- will be back after work tonight. Any late ques can be sent my way. | |||||
| 77 | Hubble ID: 210302015 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 16:43 |
Kev as Holt said... you are to be praised... :) Btw, are we really waiting for 10.07 LilPeeper? Anyway, if i'm not mistaken, LilPeeper timed out again at 16:42... So 10.08 Pops is up ... and right after him i suggest we skip 10.09 Twarpy (except if there is a Queue) and go directly with 10.10 Promize Anyone second that? | |||||
| 78 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 16:54 |
I went back and checked and twarpy is 6 for 9 in getting his picks in in a timely fashion. his last 4 have been taken care of nicely, so he should get the 2 hours like the rest of us. go back and check the actual time he took to make his last few picks. | |||||
| 80 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:01 | I think we'd be a lot happier if Twarpy checked in now and then and let us know he is actually following the draft. That goes for all of us. | |||||
| 81 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:03 | agreed. | |||||
| 82 | Pops ID: 54726118 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:08 |
Holt, he has timed out 2 of the last 3 rounds. I believe the problem here is that as the urgency is growing, his performance is declining. I certainly think he should be given time to pick. However, he used a Queue as early as round 5, it's a little disappointing that one hasn't turned up the past few rounds. | |||||
| 83 | beastiemiked Sustainer ID: 03531815 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:14 | Battles and Baldwin, I'm sending you two my queue again. I'd prefer you not to open the email until after your picks. | |||||
| 84 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:14 |
you're right - thanks pops - the pick order is just all jumbled up. promize - go ahead and pick if you're around. | |||||
| 85 | Promize ID: 19742168 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:15 |
Who will be around Saturday through probably Monday afternoon? Probably gonna have to leave a que... which sucks, but have family flying in to my aunts and gotta go see them... | |||||
| 86 | Hubble ID: 210302015 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:29 |
Holt you are probably not in the same draft as me... my score shows 4 in 9 in a "timely washion" with 3 timed out (3.06 + 4.08 + 9.06) + 1 of 3:20hr + 1 of 21:20 (first week-end) And 9.06 being his last... perhaps you tought that he picked in time since he picked 0:40hr after Pops (the guy following him)... I really don't mean to pick on the guy, but i actually did go back and back before talking... And i think it's very nice of you to give people chances... I will respect that... And as Baldwin wisely stated, it would be way easier to accept if I felt he is actually interested in this draft... If i am not mistaken the only post we received was the famous "why was i been skipped" post... whatever... | |||||
| 87 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:30 | I will be off and on. probably best to send it to 2 or 3 of us. | |||||
| 88 | Pops ID: 54726118 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:36 | I'm definitely good for Saturday and Monday. Though the cream filling might be iffy. | |||||
| 89 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:36 | Is there any chance I could get a phone call if it gets to me in the next hour? Anyone? | |||||
| 90 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:37 | 815 252 4367 | |||||
| 91 | Promize ID: 19742168 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:38 | Please leave emails of those people who will have internet access this weekend and wouldn't mind me sending que. | |||||
| 92 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:41 |
Dang promize and I are here right now...i have to go for 2 hours....if we could just pick right now...what is the ruling on Twarpy? | |||||
| 93 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:43 | Who has got authority to make that call? Has Twarpy technically run thru his entire clock even if Kev thinks he has righted his ship? | |||||
| 94 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 17:44 | Fugettaboudit...hopefully I still have 2 hrs on my clock. Or give me a call telling who was just picked and I'll make my call over the phone. | |||||
| 95 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 18:36 | This is Baldwin's son. I'm home checking this for Baldwin and I'll make his pick as soon as Promize goes. | |||||
| 96 | Battles ID: 517373013 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 18:44 |
Go ahead and pick. Promize has timed out. The 10.08 pick was at 445 and it's 645 | |||||
| 97 | Promize ID: 19742168 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 18:57 |
I haven't timed out, Twarpy timed out.. wtf ? | |||||
| 98 | Battles ID: 517373013 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 19:04 | calm down. my mistake. when he said he was waiting on you to pick i figured you were up. | |||||
| 99 | Promize ID: 19742168 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 19:17 |
LOL well that is how people lose a turn :-) | |||||
| 100 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 19:37 |
There you go. Wazaaapguy is up. | |||||
| 101 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 20:19 | When you guys send Queues, learn to scroll down before you start writing so all the picks are below the fold and you won't get an unavoidable glimpse when you roll thru your e-mail. | |||||
| 102 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 21:06 |
hubble - you and pops were right about twarpy's picks - that's why I said to go ahead and skip him and move on with promize's picks. we're gonna do whatever it takes to get the draft completed. if it means that people are going to be frequently skipped then that's the way it will be. | |||||
| 103 | Battles ID: 517373013 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 21:06 | picking | |||||
| 104 | Athletics Guy ID: 5685217 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 21:18 | Hmmm, I've been entering all the players I drafted on rotoworld, now they're all gone. | |||||
| 105 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 21:37 | that's odd. hopefully that's just a temporary glitch. | |||||
| 106 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 21:40 | Promize is up. | |||||
| 107 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 21:59 | Calling the Twarpster. | |||||
| 108 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 22:01 | pops - you around? | |||||
| 109 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 22:05 |
ahh - twarpy made his last pick not too long ago. hopefully we can keep this moving and get some more picks in tonight. BH still needs to make his pick from last round. | |||||
| 110 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 22:08 | lilpeeper still needs to make his 10th rd pick too. | |||||
| 111 | Battles ID: 517373013 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 22:10 | lil was mving to college today I think. Don't know if we should keep moving if we get back to them. I think if you miss one pick and your second pick is up we just move on. | |||||
| 112 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 22:19 |
skip lilpeeper if we get to him. no sense in waiting if he still hasn't made his last pick. surprised he didn't get a queue ready. it's really not that complicated if you have some kind of cheat-sheet you're using. | |||||
| 113 | Athletics Guy ID: 5685217 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 22:55 |
My drafted players disappeared again! I hope it's just a glitch. Holt, are you able to see what players are entered for each team? You may have to enter them yourself if this keeps up. | |||||
| 114 | holt ID: 497552 Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 23:09 | I haven't actually checked the rotoworld site in a couple of days. I'll look into it when I get a chance though. | |||||
| 115 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 07:00 |
hey guys - if it gets to me and I haven't picked within 15 minutes then skip me. I'd leave a queue but there's a ton of players I could take that I consider to be equal value, so I'll just wait and pick when I get on-line. | |||||
| 116 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 07:12 | also - if I'm not around during the day - don't wait 2 hours for justin's picks. he can't log-in at work and I'll have to call him. I probably won't be around til 3 in the afternoon. | |||||
| 117 | blue hen ID: 372102211 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 08:46 | Battles congrats. Go easy on those college women. | |||||
| 118 | Hubble ID: 210302015 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 09:08 |
Queue system is when it's not your turn... When we spoke u were up... and you were online... would have taken 2 seconds of your time to post your pick... You never asked me to actually post your pick... So easy to complain BH... sheesh... | |||||
| 119 | beastiemiked Sustainer ID: 03531815 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 09:13 | bh, pick again. Denver is taken. | |||||
| 120 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 09:16 | Here is a good reminder to always stick around a bit after you pick to make sure there is no problem over the pick. | |||||
| 121 | beastiemiked Sustainer ID: 03531815 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 09:28 | somebody needs to message bh. That's the easiest way to get a hold of him. I think his screename for AIM is davelipman. | |||||
| 122 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 09:52 |
Is kev up now? I've got a q from yesterday for him. I'm assuming he is since lil hasn't picked for the last round yet. BH- lilpeeper is the one going to college. I graduated from the college that got destoyed by Utah last night. My wife would not take it too well if I were after the college ladies. | |||||
| 123 | Pops ID: 54726118 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 09:58 |
Battles.. An Austin area code but an Aggie at heart? It must be tough for you when all the tea-sips roll in to town every Saturday. | |||||
| 124 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 10:12 |
Well my wife graduated from UT, so it all balances out. I'm not a super crazy Aggie (like the stereotype), although I do support them by yelling how horrible they are at the tv. The only time UT people get on my nerves is when I go to their home games. They are the biggest bunch a whiners I've ever met. Anyways, Austin is a great city to live in, so I can deal with the UT thing. | |||||
| 125 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 10:36 |
I'm going to go ahead and pick for kev to get this thing moving. bmd are you still around? I still have your q as well and will wait a little to use it. | |||||
| 126 | Pops ID: 54726118 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 10:38 |
Battles, maybe we should pick for LilP first. To miss 2 picks if they are very near each other is one thing, but to piss 2 picks that are double digit picks apart can be very costly. Lets look at his roster and attempt to reach a judicious choice...? | |||||
| 127 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 10:41 |
Well the precedent was set in the RIFC league where the guy on the turn missed both picks. They picked for him at the end of the second round he missed. I think if he doesn't show up by round 11 we pick for him. Lil posted last night in our other league at 127 in the morning. Don't know why he didn't here. | |||||
| 128 | Pops ID: 54726118 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 10:55 |
Oh, I didn't realize he was around at any point. From what I can tell he needs these....(the order is my personal opinion) a TE, 4th WR, K, DL, 4th RB, and then a 2nd QB. | |||||
| 129 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 11:29 |
Blue hen then hubble can go ahead and pick due to post 115 by holt. pops- that looks fine to me. | |||||
| 130 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 12:42 | Hubble can pick again, then blue hen per post 116. | |||||
| 131 | Promize ID: 19742168 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 12:48 |
I think we should pick for him, I would rather have a competitive league, then a league where someone isn't gonna play their team cause they was in the middle of a move and couldn't pick.. In the end, real life does come before fantasy... Although we all forget that at times. :-) | |||||
| 132 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 13:14 | For holt? He said there were a "ton" of guys he could pick from so he didn't want to leave a q. I don't think we should pick for him. We could wait for him to make his and justin's picks around 3. | |||||
| 133 | Promize ID: 19742168 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 13:20 |
No no, I meant Lilpepper, but I see he finally showed up | |||||
| 134 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 13:34 |
alright. I guess Blue Hen is up now. I think the only picks that need to be made up are from Holt and Justin. | |||||
| 135 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 13:35 |
bh picked when I was typing. BMD is up now. | |||||
| 136 | kev ID: 3155515 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 13:35 | Im here- please, no one pick from my que, I need to make a choice here. | |||||
| 137 | Pops ID: 54726118 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 13:37 |
Rice falling to the 12th round is ridiculous. (me) Not picking Rice in the 11th round is just as ridiculous. ARGHHHH!!! | |||||
| 138 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 13:43 | hey I'm here. making my picks now. | |||||
| 139 | kev ID: 3155515 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 13:50 | Im here too. Alas, I will let Holt pick....unless he picks my guys, then I will be angry. | |||||
| 140 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 13:50 | hey bmd - 12.4 is my pick. I wasn't gonna take the player you took so it's no big deal, but you should go back and edit the pick #. | |||||
| 141 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 13:53 | I love the jumbled mess that is called our draft. | |||||
| 142 | kev ID: 3155515 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 13:57 |
yeah, it is getting real weird around here- Battles, I am here, so I can make the pick holt- just tell me when your done- I don't know how many picks your supposed to be making. | |||||
| 143 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 14:05 | go ahead kev. | |||||
| 144 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 14:09 | no picks for justin? | |||||
| 145 | kev ID: 3155515 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 14:14 | So, after much debating, I went away from my que, and went with the Jags D, who have really impressed me in the preseason. I am probably going to miss out on everyone on my que, but what the heck...I felt I needed someone to cover Denver's butt when they play higher powered offenses like KC. | |||||
| 146 | Pops ID: 54726118 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 14:24 |
Since we have moved very well in the last couple of hours, (and because he was skipped earlier today) I will wait for LilP's full 2 hour time frame before picking. If there are strong objections, I will move ahead with the pick, but I think this is the way to go. | |||||
| 147 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 14:28 | ya, I'd wait. it will also give justin a chance to catch up. | |||||
| 148 | Hubble ID: 210302015 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 14:43 | Waiting is good at this point... nice gesture :) | |||||
| 149 | Hubble ID: 210302015 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 14:44 | BTW, i will be out of town till monday night... i will try to work on some kind of queue... | |||||
| 150 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 14:46 | justin's a car salesman, so I just have to catch him when he's not with a customer. calling him back now. | |||||
| 151 | Promize ID: 19742168 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 14:55 |
We need atleast 3 Defense players right? 1 being a lineman? | |||||
| 152 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 15:00 | While I don't mind waiting since we made a real streak of picks there, we run the risk of Twarpy wondering why he doesn't get the same treatment. Being clear on our policy would be good. | |||||
| 153 | kev ID: 3155515 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 15:14 | LilPeeper made his pick, pretty darn fast too. If Twarpy does the same thing, I don't mind waiting. | |||||
| 154 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 15:21 | Officially who is our commish and who has he delegated authority to when he is not around? | |||||
| 155 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 15:28 |
promize - that's correct. I'm commish baldwin. to tell you the truth - I don't know what to do about twarpy's pick times because he doesn't communicate with us. | |||||
| 156 | Pops ID: 54726118 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 15:33 |
I don't know that Twarpy was ever passed over 2 times in a row. Actually, I think he has only been passed over once the entire draft. Had LilP been passed over at this spot it would have been 2 consecutive rounds. I think the commish has treated everyone as fair as could possibly be expected. | |||||
| 157 | Promize ID: 19742168 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 15:36 |
Hey Holt, you from the St. Louis area? I noticed the "Holt" name, as well as the several Rams choices... | |||||
| 158 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 15:46 |
holt's just my last name (real inventive eh?). I'm from oklahoma (cardinal territory). but I've been a rams fan ever since I thought their helmets were cool (1975 or so). and I'm a HUGE cardinals fan. you can pick up cardinals games on the radio pretty much anywhere in oklahoma. my dad's been a redbirds fan for a long time and I converted to them in '85. he always had them on the radio and they had some pretty exciting games that season. anyway - when the rams moved to st louis I thought it was about the coolest thing I'd ever heard! I'd move there too if I didn't have so many ties here. | |||||
| 159 | kev ID: 3155515 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 15:50 | What are the thoughts on how far this draft will progress tonight? I will leave a que if one is needed- I just am in a spot where I have about a billion choices. | |||||
| 160 | Promize ID: 19742168 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 15:58 |
Cool cool, I am born and raised in St. Louis, and I have been around for awhile.. I must say, this Cardinals team is probably the best I have ever seen... They are amazing, watching last nights game was just incredible as long ball after long ball was going out of the park. And don't laugh, but my family had Football Season Tickets for the Cardinals for about 13 years. So when the Rams won the Superbowl, there was a few tears of joy in our family. LOL Gonna try and pull some strings with my uncle and get a couple of his companies playoff tickets for this year. I went to all the games in 82? 87? I'm getting old . | |||||
| 161 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 15:59 |
it's possible that we'll get back to you tonight. if you're gonna be gone all evening then send a Q or give us permission to skip your pick if it comes up before 10 central. it's hard telling how many picks will be made this weekend, so we should take advantage of any opportunity we have to make progress on the draft. | |||||
| 162 | Hubble ID: 210302015 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:16 |
POPS, plz refer to my post #86 Twarpy officialy timed out 3 times.. 2 being consecutive... I personnaly think the rules arent really clear... and the was no treatment whatsoever since no decision were ever made. As for the other commish duty... i think holt is doing fine. And if people would leave queue or be considerate of others, there would be no need for him to make such rules... As for my futur draft, i will ask before the draft to have strict rules concerning time out and perhaps a cumulative clock... though i've been a gurupie for some years, this is only my 2nd draft... and it happens as you well know that twarpy was in the other one... he was quite innactive and non-participative in the forums either... i personnaly prefer being in a competitive draft where people actually bother managing their team so when i actually lose, i lose to a competitive brain. It's a pleasure to lose to HOLT in RIBC because he was one of the most active manager. And Twarpy will finnish at best 15th out of 16th far far behind everyone... Maybe you guys have better reference for him in other draft and i respect that... Now cause we are late, i'll have to spend god knows how long to prepare a freakin 100 name queue because i'll be out for the week-end, when we could be easily round 17 and make a short queue of some sleeper ... and it sucks | |||||
| 163 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:22 | If I'm not mistaken Twarpy has been on the forum forever and I bet he calculates who to pick and who to play better than he follows this draft. I personally enjoy being in leagues with old time gurupies for the first time. | |||||
| 164 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:23 | On the otherhand picking right next to him in order has been a test of patience. | |||||
| 165 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:23 |
I've never been to a rams game but I've managed to catch the cardinals a few times. intra-league helps. I saw them in KC last year and texas this year (only about 5 hours to both). they are dominant this year. started out 16-16 but 89-44 now! even the games they lose all seem to be pretty close. I think they lost 6 games in july and 5 in august. it's to the point now that you just expect them to win every game. if they don't win it all this year it will be disappointing. but even if that happens, I'll still know that this is one of the best teams to ever take the field. that was a great game last night. pujols and edmonds dingers off peavy in the 1st. and then still kinda close late in the game, then walker HR, pujols triple, rolen double, edmonds double! cya! (btw - I was looking at their team stats last night and noticed that edmonds' OBP and SLG are BOTH higher than pujols' and rolen's. hope he makes it to the HoF some day). | |||||
| 166 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:43 | I feel yer pain on that Q thing Hubble. I can't stand using queues. | |||||
| 167 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:44 |
we did experience this same thing in the ribc league. I'm not sure what a fair ruling is on those who keep timing out. it seems extreme to give a person zero clock time on their picks, but it also doesn't make sense to keep throwing away our draft time when the season is so close. so how bout a rule of something like this: if you've clocked-out on 3(4?) picks (no pick, no queue, and no instruction to us to skip you), then your clock-time is then reduced to one hour for the remainder of the draft. you guys have something else in mind? | |||||
| 168 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:52 | I think twice is enough to move them down to an hour. Three times or 4 times down to 30 minutes. They seem to not mind making their picks later anyways. | |||||
| 169 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:52 |
I hate using queues too, but in our ribc baseball draft I had to use them because a couple of guys hampered the draft so much that there became zero tolerance for all of us. I really prefer slow drafts over live drafts, but the best way to do it is to start recruiting league members FAR before the season starts. that way you can be selective of who gets in the league, and you have to time have a leisurely pick clock. | |||||
| 170 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:55 | Battles has it about right. Really more than generous. If we were using OTC they would not be getting any extra consideration. | |||||
| 171 | Promize ID: 19742168 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:56 |
Hard to make rules this late in the draft, people will get upset etc... What we did in the G24 league is everyone was given a cumulative amount of time. 8 hours. And if you used up all those hours, then your picks started to be skipped. Of course, probably couldn't do that limited amount of hours in our league. But since we had 20 rounds a 20 hour cumulative clock probably would of worked. | |||||
| 172 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:04 | cumulative clock would have been awesome. | |||||
| 173 | beastiemiked Sustainer ID: 03531815 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:10 | I'm going to be gone the rest of the night and don't have time to get a queue together. Everyone of my picks has been made within 30 minutes so I don't think this should be a problem. | |||||
| 174 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:22 | Well another thing is that many leagues I have been in did get increasingly restrictive the later the draft went. The thinking goes that the picks get less crucial towards the end, probably less likely to even start and it gets easier to list the few players you really care about that are still left. | |||||
| 175 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:23 | Has Twarpy not gotten his extra hour by now? I say Promize picks now. | |||||
| 176 | Promize ID: 19742168 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:28 |
2 minutes, I thought it was 2 hour inbetween picks? | |||||
| 177 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:31 | Twarpy has used up his clock as I understand it. Any time we give him is charity. He needs to follow the draft as it gets close to him. | |||||
| 178 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:35 | Promize, how long are you going to be able to hang around waiting for Twarpy? I have been checking every minute for hours and if you leave before picking I am going to stroke out. | |||||
| 179 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:37 | repick...Uhrlacher went 6.03 | |||||
| 180 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:38 | promize-twarpy's clock started when the guy before him picked, not holt. He has timed out. Go ahead and pick so Baldwin won't have a stroke. | |||||
| 181 | Pops ID: 54726118 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:38 | Promize, please re-pick...Urlacher was already taken. | |||||
| 182 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:40 | Just post and tell us you are repicking Promize. The thot of him leaving after that mispick without checking just may do me in. | |||||
| 183 | Hubble ID: 447323112 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:43 |
If he would care he would reply... and i totally agree with Baldwin... any time we give him is pure charity... so i say for those who time out twice = down to 1/2 hour... for those who time out three time... clock is set to 0 seconds except if there is a post prior to his pick to wait for it... if so, then we can give 1 hour. | |||||
| 184 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:46 |
Man I'd call him right now if I knew his phone number. This is crazy. I have been the commish for the political guru leagues for over a year now and here is how we do it. I have everyone's phone number and when anyone is taking too long they get a phone call. Since most people have cell phones or pagers we seldom have a problem and the few players who have been impossible have been dropped. | |||||
| 185 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:47 | Doesn't everyone know to stick around and check and make sure there was no problem with their pick? Jeeze Promize is this really your first rodeo? | |||||
| 186 | Promize ID: 19742168 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:54 |
What is wrong with my pick? | |||||
| 187 | Promize ID: 19742168 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:55 | Hey Baldwin, if people would learn how to f**kin spell, then maybe I wouldn't make that mistake... | |||||
| 188 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:55 |
does anyone here know how to use tables/charts in the forum? it would be nice to have a chart showing which players are on each team, separated by position. might make it easier for some to tell if a player has been taken or not. | |||||
| 189 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:58 |
lol blue hen ID: 41527713 Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 09:34 6.03 Brian Uhrlacher, LB, CHI | |||||
| 190 | Hubble ID: 447323112 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 18:00 |
i have this custom chart on excel... i can mail it to someone if needs be. i cant put it on forum though... | |||||
| 191 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 18:01 | Thank you, thank you, thank you for checking back in Promize. That was really stressing me out to be so close and so far from picking. | |||||
| 192 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 18:03 |
good good - no stroke. I also use excel but have no idea how to create a chart on the forum. | |||||
| 193 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 18:03 | You can e-mail it to me in an attachment and I could pick for you from it if you like Hubble. I've done that before usually with instructions on which position to pick in which round. | |||||
| 194 | Promize ID: 19742168 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 18:04 |
Well don't be making any remarks before knowing the facts... I have been very close to the message boards whenever my turn has comed up. I try to double check with "FIND" everytime before picking. I also check them off on a list I have. I can't help it if people can't spell right... So hopefully "BARTON" wasn't spelled wrong on this pick. | |||||
| 195 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 18:11 | It would be helpful if you checked right back for a minute or two Promize because someone will usually put out a stop sign pretty quickly because some of us have no life and refresh this thing real regularly. | |||||
| 196 | Hubble ID: 447323112 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 18:50 | hehe | |||||
| 197 | Hubble ID: 447323112 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 18:59 |
Oh what the heck... just don't wait for me this week-end... except if otherwise stated here... good week end all | |||||
| 198 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 19:03 |
who is going to be around tonight that I can email a q to? Baldwin? I've got to leave in 45 minutes. Friday night lights has started in texas and my wife teaches dance at a high school. Thus I have to go. | |||||
| 199 | Hubble ID: 447323112 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 19:04 | oh btw... i forgot to mail the chart... maybe some1 can mail his... | |||||
| 200 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 19:10 | I'll be around off and on all evening. | |||||
| 201 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 19:11 | off and on is good enough for me baldwin. I'll send the email to the address link above. | |||||
| 202 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 19:34 | You have any instructions on what to do with them Hubble? | |||||
| 203 | Battles ID: 517373013 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 19:40 |
Baldwin- q sent. I will of course get one of the 3 with the first pick. If by a long long long shot the 2 guys listed on the second pick go before me just pick another guy off the first list. Thanks. | |||||
| 204 | holt ID: 497552 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 19:43 |
I don't think he's talking about a queue chart. just a chart that shows the players on each of our teams. who all is gonna be around this weekend? if everyone is busy then maybe it's not such a good idea to keep the clock running. don't wanna see people getting skipped several times. we've had a good pace today. if we can keep that up next week then we'll be doing ok. at the least, we will all have complete teams come game time on thursday. | |||||
| 205 | Promize ID: 19742168 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 21:18 |
Hope that chart works for everyone... If problems, let me know... | |||||
| 206 | Promize ID: 19742168 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 22:02 |
Decide to just host it as a website. Recap of Picks / Current Team Lineups | |||||
| 207 | Athletics Guy ID: 18830317 Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 22:33 |
Looks good Promize! Thanks for taking the time to do it | |||||
| 208 | Promize ID: 19742168 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 11:10 |
Looks like Wazzup has timed out twice now, once yesterday and once again this morning. Baldwin is now on the clock at 10:00am central time. | |||||
| 209 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 12:11 | Sorry it took so long. I did checkin by phone at 9:30 CST. I was late for an appointment this morning and forgot my cellphone. My son who normally inputs my picks long distance took off for Minnesota...a lotta wierdness this morning. It only cost the league an hour I guess so not terribly big I guess. | |||||
| 210 | Battles ID: 517373013 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 13:28 | Well, truthfully there is no clock on saturday or sunday, but since he didn't make his last pick I don't see why you couldn't make yours. | |||||
| 211 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 13:56 | This running a league without a commish to make final rulings is frought with potential for hard feelings. Hopefully the gurupie spirit will dampen that some. I'm not real big on dropping the clock for the weekend fwiw. | |||||
| 212 | Pops ID: 1283546 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 14:06 |
So I should wait out the 2 hrs for Twarpy, right? Or is there no 2 hour limit in effect? Also Battles, if you don't mind, please call me if/when it's my turn. | |||||
| 213 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 14:49 | When they say there is no clock that means as far as I can tell that one guy can hold us up all weekend. | |||||
| 214 | Promize ID: 19742168 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 15:02 |
Screw that, it is to late in the draft to be holding up the draft... The damn season starts Thursday! | |||||
| 215 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 15:14 | I'm with you Promize. Problem is, are there people who think they have been told they can do that? | |||||
| 216 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 15:18 | I don't even understand the premise behind dropping the clock over the weekend. Aren't people more free to check their computer when they are away from work? On the otherhand we have a three day weekend right? Maybe vacationtime for some? I hate that idea. Hopefully people who take being in this league for the privilege that it is wouldn't take that trip. | |||||
| 217 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 15:28 |
I don't see that we even have a true commish to make this call. I'm not sure if this should be a majority rule situation but I propose we vote anyway and see what the league wants. Two thirds maybe? Please Vote: 1)Suspend clock for the entire weekend. [one manager thus can stop the entire draft for two or three days] Yea or Nay 2)Keep using a two hour clock. Yea or Nay 3)Extended clock [4 hrs] Yea or Nay I'm not the commish, who is? But let's see how everyone feels. | |||||
| 218 | Promize ID: 19742168 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 15:53 |
The problem with the vote this late... is because it is this late... The other problem is, it is a holiday weekend, dont' expect anyone to be checking in till Monday evening.. I actually will be gone tommorow and monday.. but will try and check my Aunt's computer as much as possible | |||||
| 219 | Athletics Guy ID: 18830317 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 16:06 | We got 7 rounds of draft left to do with Tuesday and Wednesday being our last days, that's about impossible... :( | |||||
| 220 | Athletics Guy ID: 18830317 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 16:09 | 3. Yea | |||||
| 221 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 16:20 | I wonder if the rotoworld site has retroactive stats. I'm pretty sure Yahoo gives you that option. | |||||
| 222 | Promize ID: 19742168 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 16:22 |
We could go 4 hours till Monday, but after Monday I think it should be 1 hour... | |||||
| 223 | Athletics Guy ID: 18830317 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 16:25 | 1 hour with no blackout period would just about do it | |||||
| 224 | holt ID: 497552 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:00 |
guys - all of us already have a full starting roster (or real close to it). we will all have teams fielded come thursday. I want to see the draft move too but we also need to consider the competetive balance of the league. baldwin - I'm commish. you've asked before and I told you I was. I don't know what your definition of a true commish is. I know you want everyone to be at their computer and ready to make their pick when it gets to them, but it ain't gonna happen, and there's nothing I can do to change that. we can make all the rulings in the world but the only way to speed up the draft this weekend is to skip a bunch of picks. this is a holiday weekend. we have league members away from their computers. the 2-hour clock is running. there was never a ruling that the clock would stop. I brought it up for discussion last night but no one responded to it. I'd just like to see everyone calm down and not make this league a big negative experience. we've drafted 90% of our starters. most of the picks left will be on the bench this week. we will be ready to roll on thursday, even if that means some of us have empty bench spots left to fill. | |||||
| 225 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:01 |
The thunderous stampede to vote is a vote in itself. Am I to believe there are only three people in this league that have even checked in in the last few hours? If so how could we use a clock? I am afraid we are going to just have to fuggettaboudit till Tuesday and try and speed it up then, perhaps phoning people for their vote. I would like people to keep voting but could you please e-mail me your name and phone numbers so we have half a chance of getting this draft done on time? When I commish the poliboard leagues we go by a contact list for everyone involved phoning them when neccessary. We aren't screwed out of a full year yet, not if I can help it. | |||||
| 226 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:02 |
I missed you telling us you were the commish. Sorry. I don't have a single IDP yet. | |||||
| 227 | holt ID: 497552 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:05 | well - we're almost into the 14th round now. we'll be alright. | |||||
| 228 | holt ID: 497552 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:14 |
when hubble's pick comes we will just skip it. that's what he told us to do. hate doing it though. even just a short queue would have helped a lot. if we do skip two of his picks, we will apply the rule that the league selects 2 players for his team at the end of the round in which his second pick was missed. | |||||
| 229 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:18 | Mmm...since we know he's not going to show up why don't we pick for him now? | |||||
| 230 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:25 |
Hubble has 4RB 4WR 2QB LB DL Pick a team D or DB for him? | |||||
| 231 | holt ID: 497552 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:26 |
he may check in and make his pick. here's his actual message: "Oh what the heck... just don't wait for me this week-end... except if otherwise stated here... good week end all" | |||||
| 232 | I_AM_CANADIAN ID: 227221220 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:29 | I'm a friend of Hubble's, if you need someone to make a pick for him... I'll offer. Would take me few minutes to recap your draft though. Let me know. | |||||
| 233 | kev ID: 3155515 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:46 |
Thanks for drafting for me holt. I appreciate it. We could decide to email everyone, let them know that they need to send in a que for 2-4 rounds worth of picks by, well, in the afternoon Tuesday. Crack out those 2-4 rounds of que on Tuesday, then do the same for the following day. It's up to you guys though | |||||
| 234 | blue hen ID: 372102211 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:46 |
I hate slow drafts. With a passion. But I definitely think a RQFL league could be fun. And I've been real busy of late. So take the chip off your shoulder. I hereby give permission for you to take the highest RIFC pick remaining (who is not injured) when it's my turn to pick. For the next two, I left a q with Mach, but for thereafter, feel free to "autopick." | |||||
| 235 | Promize ID: 19742168 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:48 |
I don't mind you picking for him Canadian, I actually sent you an email as well. | |||||
| 236 | Promize ID: 19742168 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:53 |
************League Grid Updated ******* Make sure you refresh it. Team Grids / Team Draft | |||||
| 237 | kev ID: 3155515 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:54 | I actually like BH's "autopick" idea. If the person does not show up for his pick, lets us the RIFL list, and choose from there. That will speed things up, and if people get upset, well, they should check in. | |||||
| 238 | kev ID: 3155515 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:54 | I actually like BH's "autopick" idea. If the person does not show up for his pick, lets us the RIFL list, and choose from there. That will speed things up, and if people get upset, well, they should check in. | |||||
| 239 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:59 | I would amend that to only include players that fill empty slots in their roster they actually need. In other words, if they don't have a WR3 pick one, go from the skill positions that still need filling if any to team D and then to the IDPs. Still using the highest available RIFC for that position. | |||||
| 240 | blue hen ID: 372102211 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 18:18 | That's even more than I was expecting Baldwin, but that's fine with me. Just don't give me Anquan Boldin. | |||||
| 241 | Baldwin ID: 185828 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 18:43 | He's mine but you knew that. And I'll whap you over the head with him in the playoffs too. ;> | |||||
| 242 | holt ID: 187472321 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 21:39 |
I'm here at justin's house. is someone around who can figure out BH's and hubble's picks per the discussion above? I don't really have a good connection here. | |||||
| 243 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 21:48 | Hubble needs to pick SF TEAM D per RIFC. | |||||
| 244 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 21:52 | BH far as I can tell either needs a WR4 or a DB. If it was me I'd sure want a WR4 before a DB. Agreed? | |||||
| 245 | holt ID: 187472321 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 21:55 | probably - who are the wr and db that would be considered? | |||||
| 246 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 21:57 |
Judging by RIFC... Hubble selects SF TEAM D BH selects Terry Glenn Agreed? | |||||
| 247 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 21:59 | Or should I go with DB for BH since he has none? I say WR4 is more important. | |||||
| 248 | holt ID: 187472321 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:01 | he'll have another pick soon, so wr4 then db is good. | |||||
| 249 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:03 | Ok I got his DB picked too then. | |||||
| 250 | holt ID: 187472321 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:07 |
ahh oops - he got a K already. nevermind. no big deal. my bro justin (fugazi) is picking now. | |||||
| 251 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:07 | I just noticed Athletics guy picked Vineteri for BH which isn't so bad either. I forgot about Kicker cause I pick those very late. Should we go with that instead and leave it as picked? | |||||
| 252 | holt ID: 187472321 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:11 | yeah leave that then we'll have hubble and bh back up. | |||||
| 253 | Athletics Guy ID: 18830317 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:13 | Vinateri was off his queue, do NOT change it. | |||||
| 254 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:17 |
Great...wish we heard bout dat sooner. Hubble now either needs a Kicker, DL or DB. Which? | |||||
| 255 | Athletics Guy ID: 18830317 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:22 |
234 blue hen ID: 372102211 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:46 I hate slow drafts. With a passion. But I definitely think a RQFL league could be fun. And I've been real busy of late. So take the chip off your shoulder. I hereby give permission for you to take the highest RIFC pick remaining (who is not injured) when it's my turn to pick. For the next two, I left a q with Mach, but for thereafter, feel free to "autopick." That's me :) | |||||
| 256 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:37 | Could give Hubble Matt Stover, K, Bal. He was picked 14.13 in RIFC and is the next K not taken here. | |||||
| 257 | Athletics Guy ID: 18830317 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:43 | Sounds good to me | |||||
| 258 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:47 | Too tired...gotta sleep. Doubt it gets to me at 14.11 before I wake. I tend to get up every hour or hour and a half anyway. | |||||
| 259 | Athletics Guy ID: 18830317 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:47 | That is all I have for BH's queue. Should it get to his 15th round pick, he'll be "autopicked" as he has requested(unless we hear from him of course). | |||||
| 260 | Promize ID: 19742168 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:55 |
The draft ends for the night in 5 minutes... So I am probably going to be asleep soon as well. By the way, who is gonna be around tommorow and Monday? Might need to send my que to you | |||||
| 261 | Athletics Guy ID: 18830317 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:57 | I will be around tomorrow, but not Monday | |||||
| 262 | kev ID: 3155515 Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 23:36 | For the most part, I will be around the next 2 days. | |||||
| 263 | Promize ID: 19742168 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 00:09 |
Ok, I've sent my Que to 4 people, so shouldn't be any problem till Monday night. | |||||
| 264 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 04:03 | BTW please remember to scroll your picks below the fold so we don't accidently see them prematurely. | |||||
| 265 | Promize ID: 19742168 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 09:19 |
Bah, didn't think about that, I would hope the guys I sent my que's to would use a sense of honor and not grab folks off my que. And they have a que of their own. Guess will see come Monday. LOL | |||||
| 266 | Promize ID: 19742168 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 09:25 |
***HOLT*** If I'm not mistaken, you forgot to pick for yourself in Round 13. | |||||
| 267 | Promize ID: 19742168 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 09:38 |
************League Grid Updated ******* Make sure you refresh it. League Chart | |||||
| 268 | holt ID: 497552 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 11:47 | promize - I took roy williams in the 13th. | |||||
| 269 | Battles ID: 517373013 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 14:32 |
I'm around and will be making my pick when it gets to me. Why did bmd get skipped at 13.10 when you guys are picking for other people off of RIFC? | |||||
| 270 | kev ID: 3155515 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 14:39 | Did anyone make BMD's 13th pick? | |||||
| 271 | holt ID: 497552 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 14:45 |
apparently baldwin has a queue from him. I guess it was an oversight. I skipped him because he timed out and I wasn't aware anyone had a queue for him. but baldwin picked his 14th rounder for him off a queue, so... | |||||
| 272 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 14:50 | Nope, we screwed up. Holt I guess it was had the policy of skipping people for a whole 2 turns before picking for them. We realized that there was no point in doing that to people who we knew weren't just late, they weren't going to show at all. When others including myself decided to start picking right awaywe didn't go back and clean up the people that had been skipped by the previous arrangement. Not good. | |||||
| 273 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 14:55 | There is a pick high on his Q still not taken. I guess we should take it now. | |||||
| 274 | holt ID: 497552 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 14:56 |
well BH asked us to pick for him. and hubble told us he will be gone all weekend. but I have no info on bmd's situation. we're not gonna make picks for everyone that misses their pick. for example, if lilpeeper times out here - he's just getting skipped. | |||||
| 275 | holt ID: 497552 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 14:57 | yeah - take that player bmd's queue for his 13th pick. | |||||
| 276 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 15:03 |
Honestly we've been RIFCing everyone else who was due to be skipped. Why screw Lil Peeper over? There are people out there possibly under the impression the clock is stopped and they have 3 days to pick. | |||||
| 278 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 15:20 |
The last Q I had from BMD was sent last Thurday afternoon and it was a repeat of one he sent me Wednesday. Friday nite BMD posted [173] implying he was going to be back to pick Saturday. But I think it made it around the horn after all and he made his 12.04 pick Fri. I guess I didn't realize I still had a Queue for him that might still have unpicked players on it. There were two unpicked players, Gates and McMichael. Unfortunately they have been since taken. I have no idea how to salvage this mess. | |||||
| 279 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 15:26 | I wonder if there is any chance Wazuuupguy would be a good sport and give up Gates who should have gone to BMD if I had been sharp enuff. | |||||
| 280 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 15:28 | I mispoke earlier, McMichael was gone before BMD picked for himself at 12.04. So only Gates was left on BMD's Queue. | |||||
| 281 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 15:29 | There has only been one person picked since Wazuuupguy picked Gates [gannon] so I'm not asking wazuuupguy to give up much. | |||||
| 282 | holt ID: 497552 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 15:46 |
I wouldn't say we've been rifc'ing everyone. just BH who asked us to do it and hubble who told us he'd be gone all weekend. we can't start picking for everyone who is late for their pick. the rule is that if they miss two picks then we pick for them at the end of the round. that's why I thought we should have waited until the end of the 2nd round missed to pick for hubble. didn't want to set a precedent for this type of thing. but he did tell us he would be gone all weekend, so it kinda made sense to pick for him. | |||||
| 283 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 16:05 | Are there people out there who believe they have three days to pick? Did we say anything to give them that impression? Didn't someone say the clock was turned off for the weekend which some might even interpret to mean even Monday? I feel really wierd skipping them then. | |||||
| 284 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 16:06 | I don't feel quite so wierd giving them a good effort RIFC pick according to their needs. | |||||
| 285 | holt ID: 497552 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 16:19 |
I never said the clock was off for the weekend. I asked who was gonna be here for the weekend and brought up the possibility of turning the clock off if there was going to be a lot of people gone. if we do what you're suggesting then we'll end up making all of twarpy's picks for him. I'm sure he doesn't want us to do that. if they get skipped twice then we'll pick for them. that's the only way we can do it. I don't feel guilty skipping someone. all they have to do is send a queue or ask us to pick for them. the rule is that we pick for them at the end of the round after they've missed 2 picks. | |||||
| 286 | holt ID: 497552 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 16:22 |
we'll pick for bmd at the end of the round if he hasn't shown up by then. pops you're on the clock. lilpeeper timed out. | |||||
| 287 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 16:26 |
and brought up the possibility of turning the clock off Well ok then, I didn't realize it was put that way. I'm going to bed and will check back hourly. I've meddled quite enuff for one draft I guess. | |||||
| 288 | holt ID: 497552 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 16:41 | cya baldwin. it's really not a big deal if we get a bunch of picks in today anyway. I can see us knocking out a bunch of rounds before thursday. we'll be fine. we're halfway through the 14th and the next few rounds aren't extremely important. mostly bench warmers. | |||||
| 289 | Pops ID: 15712914 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 16:50 |
Sorry, I thought he was gonna time out in 8 mins at :01... I'm picking in a couple of mins. | |||||
| 290 | kev ID: 3155515 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 16:51 | I have Promize's Q if Twarpy happens to time out today. | |||||
| 291 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 17:14 | I thot we had a DL an LB and a DB slot. I notice in that in Promize' website charting our players it uses a DL and 2 defensive flex positions. That is just an artifact of the template he was using I assume, and I had the slots correct in the first place right? | |||||
| 292 | Pops ID: 15712914 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 17:19 |
Technically the lineup consists of a DL and 2 Flex Defensive positions. No DB is required. | |||||
| 293 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 17:53 | One sec. | |||||
| 294 | holt ID: 497552 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:05 | it's 1 DL and 2 flex. | |||||
| 295 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:22 | We aren't using RIFC format then...strange. Sure glad I asked before picking Charles Tillman. | |||||
| 297 | Athletics Guy ID: 18830317 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:32 | Can we not mention players that haven't been drafted yet? | |||||
| 298 | Battles ID: 517373013 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:40 |
The rifc format IS 2 flex, 1dl, 1 team d. I wouldn't mention undrafted players if you don't want a bunch of people getting their panties in a wad. | |||||
| 299 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 23:13 | I wouldn't mention anyone likely to be picked. I seriously doubt anyone would pick a CB if they could pick a LB instead. CB's don't outscore good LB's. | |||||
| 300 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 23:24 | This OTC results page made it look like they had those three categories. I didn't scroll thru their entire thread. | |||||
| 301 | holt ID: 497552 Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 07:26 | I'll probably be around to make my pick, but don't wait more than 30 minutes. just skip me if I'm not around. | |||||
| 302 | blue hen ID: 331038201 Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 12:33 | I'm officially on autopick. Gates was the last player in my queue. Please pick the highest remaining RIFC tight end with my next pick and then go on full auto. | |||||
| 303 | kev ID: 3155515 Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 14:43 | Twarpy has to have timed out, which would mean it is pops pick. | |||||
| 304 | holt ID: 497552 Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 14:59 | technically, twarpy, pops, and lilpeeper all timed out today, so you're up kev. | |||||
| 305 | kev ID: 3155515 Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 15:00 | really? Okay. I doubt I will take anyone that they would take anyways. | |||||
| 306 | holt ID: 497552 Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 15:30 | I went ahead and caught BMD's picks up. he still had an oustanding pick that was 2 rounds old, and since there was an error involving the handling of his queue I made an "rifc" pick for him this round. that will make up for the error a little bit and it will also keep the draft moving. | |||||
| 308 | holt ID: 497552 Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 18:09 | promize - on your chart, roy williams db should be on my team instead of bmd's. | |||||
| 310 | holt ID: 497552 Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 18:13 |
kev - you're on the clock. also, pops and twarpy both have picks to make from last round. | |||||
| 311 | Promize ID: 19742168 Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 20:21 |
I am home now, thanks for those who picked for me... I will also shuffle through and try to update the chart, I saw I made a mistake for Holt.. | |||||
| 312 | Promize ID: 19742168 Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 20:50 |
************League Grid Updated ******* Make sure you refresh it. Team Grids Updated Might want to make sure I didn't make any errors again.. | |||||
| 313 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 21:26 | A really nice late pick there Pops. | |||||
| 314 | Pops ID: 15712914 Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 21:31 |
I want to acquire a starting WR. I would really like a top 15-25 caliber guy (as objective as you can be), and am willing to cough up some RB prowess to acquire him. We can also swap WR's as part of a deal, if you don't want to give one up outright. If you need something else, let me know. I will listen to all offers to please it's always worth dropping me a line. | |||||
| 315 | Athletics Guy ID: 2984371 Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 02:43 | Holt, I sent a short queue to you for my next 2 picks. | |||||
| 316 | Pops ID: 54726118 Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 08:41 |
Team Grids: I don't have D. Bennett, I have Moe Williams. Also, J. Abraham is a DL not just an IDP. | |||||
| 317 | wazaaap_guy ID: 5089210 Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 08:48 |
Ive got class all day and dont know who to send a queue to so I'll just post a short one here for my next pick, hope it's not a problem: jeff wilkens david akers next highest DL (i noticed that some other people have had the next highest IDP player picked) Ryan Longwell Again, hope this is not a problem and if so I apologize for once again causing problems in this draft. | |||||
| 318 | beastiemiked Sustainer ID: 03531815 Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 09:10 | Sorry guys, I had a family emergency this past weekend and absolutely no time to go looking for a place to make my picks. I'll be around for the rest of the draft and will make my picks within 30 minutes from now on. | |||||
| 319 | Promize ID: 19742168 Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 10:26 |
Just a reminder!! Season starts in: | |||||
| 320 | Baldwin ID: 3830420 Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 10:29 | Nice one Promize. | |||||
| 321 | Pops ID: 54726118 Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 10:30 | We should start a new thread with the clock as the first post. | |||||
| 322 | Promize ID: 19742168 Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 10:38 |
Done New Thread Started | |||||
| 323 | Hubble ID: 210302015 Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 11:37 |
Ok, i'm back, thanks for picking for me, it's more than i expected... I should be able to make my next picks from now on... but never wait for me... and don't bother picking from RIFC... i'm confident we finnish in time... | |||||
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