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0 Subject: RQFL #1 - Discussion #5

Posted by: youngroman - [221118186] Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 04:03
the last one reached over 200 posts, here are the previous threads:

discussion #4 discussion #3 discussion #2 discussion #1

open points:
- time limit: as suggested, I will set it to 4 hours for today until midnight.
- clock suspension for this weekend: how many of you will be unavailable or only partly available during this weekend? if over a majority will be available I tend to go back to a 8 hour limit for the weekend (including Monday or not?)

I want to end this draft no later then Tuesday, until Wednesday night would be a waiver-time (order will be in reverse order of picking the draft position, ArtOfMonk will be first, and myself will be last), after that all players are free agents until the begin of their first game.

only 43 picks to go. ArtOfMonk is up, anyone got a queue from him?
1I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 08:42 		I'll still be around this weekend. I would just rather see it mostly over.

If Art of Monk doesn't pick by noon, then I guess THK will be up.
2WiddleAvi
      ID: 582361912
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 08:49 		I will be around for the weekend. Is there a time that we can all get together ?? If everyone is around at once we can finish this is 20-30 minutes
3loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 09:07 		i will be in and out all weekend. from my point of view missing a pick this late in the draft would be inconsequential, and therefore i would prefer the shorter clock to finish the draft. i thought that suspending the draft for the holiday weekend would be a good idea, but if most managers feel the same way that i do about these late draft picks, that would be unnecessary.
4Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 09:22 		I'm also going to be around all weekend; but like loki said I don't think it's a big deal at this point in the draft to miss a pick.
5youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 09:28 		I_A_C - correct as always, ArtOfMonk has time until noon.

it would be great if we can find a time to finish this in an hour or so. But that assumes that every manager should be available and checking this boards every few minutes.

I will be available the whole weekend, usually from 2am until 7pm (6 hour time differential), but could also check later than 7pm if necessary. at this times I'm also open to take queues.
6Tree
      ID: 76471215
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 09:38 		my weekend is sporadic - i will be around on and off, but hard to say when.

it is a holiday weekend anyway, but i agree, we gotta move faster. still, anything shorter than a 4 hour clock is difficult, and could have a really poor affect on people in different time zones.

i disagree that picks this late are inconsequential, rather, i believe just the opposite.

late round sleepers and such can make or break a championship season.
7Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 09:38 		I can make myself available most any time with the exception of tonight from @ 8 to 12 pm.
8I_AM_CANADIAN @ Work
      ID: 364563113
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 10:04 		I'm pretty much open for it at any time. Just let me know when... I'll try to be around. If somehow I can't... I'll leave queue's.
9youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 10:15 		Tree, I agree with you. In RIBC I got Hafner in the 22nd round and currently he is in the top 50 for the season. what a steal. I hope I can land a similiar steal in this league. I have a few players on my list but have to research a bit more to get the right ones in the last 3 rounds.
10Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 10:26 		I have camping plans for the weekend, but the weather this morning feels like November, rainy and cold(probably snow in the mountains).
Every pick is important, and based on other manager's picks, so I would rather not leave a long que list.
I will be available from about 4PM MST(6 EST) for the rest of the evening today.
11I_AM_CANADIAN @ Work
      ID: 364563113
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 10:28 		Sounds good to me... Can we all show from 6PM EST till 8PM EST? That would probably finnish it up.
12loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 10:30 		tree-i see your point. i do not think that i will find that sort of player at this time, while i guess others might. in ribc qualifying i picked adian beltre in the 20th round and tom gordon in the 22nd. i did not consider them sleepers; rather i knew of their potential as an la fan living in nj.
13WiddleAvi
      ID: 4356159
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 10:40 		I can be around from 6 to 8. That would actually be perfect
14loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 10:50 		if i do not get tied up at the office, i should be able to be home by 6:30pm edt,possibly a little earlier. i can available from 6:30-8:00pm and then from 10:00pm on. 8-10pm is not possible.
15Tree
      ID: 76471215
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 10:54 		6 pm to 8 pm is the worst time for me.

that's when i'm on a train, commutting home from the office...
16 Art of Monk
      ID: 32531249
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 11:15 		sorry for the hold up, I apologize got super busy before the game, I should left a que. I could get together today. What if we did 5pmest before tree gets on the train?

Did anyone else watch the game last night? I an biased of course, but Utah is for real. They will get some run, but they have an extremely week schedule. Texas A&M looked horrible, they play Arizona next.

Pancho, I am not a BYU hater, but I hope the Domers win because I don't Urban the leave. Shoot me an email and we chat Utah sports.
17Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 12:09 		I'm in and out this weekend -- will likely be gone the bulk of Saturday, will try to post a queue to IAC.
18Tree
      ID: 76471215
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 12:19 		Art - not gonna work for me. i'm at work. i can periodically check in, but i can't sit here and keep refreshing a screen...
19Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 12:23 		My email is FUBAR- so here is my queue for 18.05 pick:
Aeneas Williams DB Stl.
Na'il Diggs DB GB.
If some one wants to post it in the draft thread after Bandos picks; I'll check back later.
20Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 14:17 		I'll hang around a bit and see if I might have missed that someone had taken that -- hard to cntrl-F -- though I doubt anyone wanted them!
21Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 15:00 		On to dwfffan
22dwfffan
      ID: 117413010
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:16 		I will pick in a few, let me catch up.
23Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:28 		Just picked up a 4PM MST(6 EST) appointment, which will take me away from the computer for about 2 hours. I may need to leave a que if we're cruising along. Anyone?
24Art of Monk
      ID: 32531249
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:37 		I'm good until 5pm mst.

Tree or anyone can we get a new spreadsheet posted?
25youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:42
  QB RB WR TE K D DL IDP  
Loki 4.14 T. Green 1.01 L. Tomlinson 3.01 H. Ward 12.14 F. Jones 11.01 J. Wilkins 5.01 Baltimore   8.14 A. Davis Loki
10.14 M. Brunell 2.14 K. Jones 6.14 D. Hall 16.14 Buffalo 13.01 M. Fields
  14.14 D. Levens 7.01 D. Givens   17.01 L. Briggs
    9.01 M. Muhammad    
    15.01 A. Randle El    
Wiggs 10.13 J. Delhomme 1.02 P. Holmes 3.02 Char. Johnson 12.13 B. Franks 14.13 D. Akers 17.02 Kansas City   8.13 D. Brooks Wiggs
2.13 M. Bennett 4.13 J. Smith 9.02 D. Thornton
6.13 J. Jones 5.02 P. Price 11.02 C. Draft
16.13 G. Jones 7.02 Ro. Williams 13.02 A. Winfield
    15.02 E. Barton
dwfffan 5.03 J. Garcia 1.03 A. Green 3.03 D. Mason 4.12 T. Heap 16.12 J. Feely 14.12 Minnesota 13.03 D. Freeney 7.03 J. Sharper dwfffan
10.12 B. Leftwich 2.12 S. Davis 6.12 J. McCareins 11.03 L. Arrington
  9.03 T. Bell 8.12 M. Robinson 15.03 M. Doss
  18.12 C. Taylor 12.12 Q. Morgan  
    17.03 Ti. Brown  
Species 3.04 M. Hasselbeck 1.04 C. Portis 4.11 E. Moulds 6.11 J. Shockey 17.04 S. Janikowski 8.11 Philadelphia 9.04 J. Abraham 7.04 D. Edwards Species
12.11 R. Gannon 2.11 B. Westbrook 5.04 C. Chambers 14.11 S. Fujita
  10.11 S. Jackson 11.04 A. Boldin  
  16.11 J. Jackson 13.04 D. Bennett  
  18.11 T. Hambrick 15.04 J. Rice  
Toral 5.05 B. Favre 1.05 D. McAllister 3.05 S. Smith 11.05 R. McMichael 17.05 J. Brown 7.05 Miami 8.10 S. Rice 9.05 L. Fletcher Toral
12.10 J. McCown 2.10 T. Barber 4.10 K. Robinson 18.10 New York Jets
13.05 R. Grossman 15.05 O. Smith 6.10 R. Wayne  
  16.10 G. Hearst 10.10 J. Gage  
    14.10 L. Evans  
Tree 4.09 S. McNair 1.06 S. Alexander 2.09 M. Harrison 6.09 K. Winslow 16.09 A. Vinateri 12.09 Green Bay 17.06 L. Little 7.06 K. Brooking Tree
10.09 J. Harrington 3.06 D. Staley 5.06 I. Bruce 9.06 N. Barnett
13.06 K. Warner 11.06 M. Anderson 8.09 M. Booker 15.06 S. Cowart
  14.09 T. Hollings 18.09 D. Patten  
youngroman 2.08 D. McNabb 1.07 Ja. Lewis 3.07 S. Moss 13.07 M. Pollard 17.07 J. Nedney 5.07 New England   7.07 Z. Thomas youngroman
8.08 J. Plummer 4.08 W. Dunn 6.08 Ro. Smith 15.07 A. Gates 9.07 St. Louis 14.08 E. Hartwell
  12.08 M. Williams 10.08 T. Glenn     16.08 A. Archuleta
  18.08. A. Smith 11.07 A. Davis      
WiddleAvi 8.07 B. Johnson 1.08 E. James 2.07 T. Owens 16.07 Da. Clark   14.07 Pittsburgh 7.08 M. Strahan 9.08 B. Urlacher WiddleAvi
11.08 T. Maddox 3.08 Cu. Martin 5.08 P. Burress 15.08 Chicago 10.07 R. Harrison
  4.07 C. Garner 6.07 L. Fitzgerald   13.08 A. Simmons
  18.07 M. Pittman 12.07 J. Galloway    
    17.08 Jo. Reed    
PanchoVilla 2.06 D. Culpepper 1.09 F. Taylor 4.06 C. Rogers 15.09 E. Kinney   6.06 Carolina   7.09 K. Bulluck PanchoVilla
10.06 D. Carr 3.09 T. Jones 5.09 A. Toomer 18.06 Oakland 12.06 E. Reed
  8.06 W. McGahee 9.09 Kev. Johnson   13.09 J. Farrior
  11.09 J. Bettis 14.06 N. Burleson   16.06 M. Minter
    17.09 Re. Williams    
Slowhand 1.10 P. Manning 2.05 R. Johnson 3.10 D. Jackson 8.05 B. Williams 17.10 R. Longwell 9.10 Tennessee   12.05 D. Sharper Slowhand
11.10 D. Bledsoe 4.05 E. George 5.10 J. Walker 15.10 K. Gbaja-Biamila
  6.05 T.J. Duckett 7.10 A. Lelie 16.05 K. Bell
  10.05 T. Minor 13.10 E. Kennison 18.05 Ae. Williams
  15.05 C. Perry    
Bandos 2.04 M. Vick 5.11 T. Wheatley 1.11 R. Moss 4.04 T. Gonzalez 12.04 J. Elam 6.04 Tampa Bay 8.04 Ja. Taylor 3.11 R. Lewis Bandos
13.11 V. Testaverde 9.11 E. Smith 7.11 Key. Johnson 17.11 San Francisco 14.04 S. Barber
  10.04 D. Foster 11.11 D. Driver    
  16.04 J. Fargas 15.11 I. Hilliard    
    18.04 T. Taylor    
I_AM_CANADIAN 6.03 C. Pennington 1.12 K. Barlow 2.03 T. Holt 8.03 A. Crumpler 10.03 M. Vanderjagt 7.12 Dallas 12.03 Ch. Grant 11.12 M. Barrow I_AM_CANADIAN
13.12 C. Palmer 5.12 L. Suggs 3.12 J. Horn 17.12 Indianapolis   16.03 T. Bruschi
  9.12 W. Green 4.03 L. Coles    
  14.03 R. Dayne 15.12 D. Northcutt      
  18.03 L. Jordan        
THK 4.02 A. Brooks 1.13 T. Henry 5.13 D. Stallworth 15.13. J. Witten 16.02 M. Stover 12.02 Denver 11.13 A. Ogunleye 9.13 S. Taylor THK
13.13 K. Boller 2.02 C. Dillon 6.02 J. Porter 14.02 Seattle 17.13 K. Williams 10.02 M. Peterson
  3.13 C. Brown 7.13 D. Branch     18.02 C. June
    8.02 B. Lloyd      
ArtofMonk 5.14 T. Brady 1.14 M. Faulk 4.01 An. Johnson     14.01 Jacksonville 8.01 M. Rucker 10.01 J. Foreman ArtofMonk
6.01 M. Bulger 2.01 D. Davis 7.14 R. Gardner 18.01 Washington 13.14 J. Peppers 11.14 T. Spikes
  3.14 Q. Griffin 9.14 P. Warrick   17.14 P. Kerney  
  16.01 N. Davenport 12.01 T. Calico      
    15.14. C. Wilson      
  QB RB WR TE K D DL IDP  
26Art of Monk
      ID: 32531249
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:45 		do we have 2 or 3 more rounds?
27youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 16:51 		2 more rounds, that makes them 20.
28Art of Monk
      ID: 32531249
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:30 		who is going to be around this weekend that can take a que for my last 2 picks.
29 youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:37 		I should be around every day from 2am to 7pm.
30 Tree
      ID: 76471215
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 17:41 		i will be around on and off all weekend. saturday will be the least amount i'll be home, but most of saturday and sunday...
31Art of Monk
      ID: 32531249
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 18:40 		que sent to youngroman. I am gone. I see that 5 teams still don't have DL's and I know teams don't think they make a big difference, but mine available for trade later if needed.
32youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 18:41 		i got it ArtOfMonk.
33Art of Monk
      ID: 32531249
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 18:47 		thanks.
34I_AM_CANADIAN @ Work
      ID: 364563113
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 18:58 		You know that Wiggs is going to be really upset if we skip his pick tonight. He's set to timeout at 8:31, but has yet to post the fact that he is aware of the 4 hour clock.

What should we do commish?
35youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 19:18 		since wiggs hasn't posted, I also think that we give him the full 8 hours.

only 30 more picks.
36loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 19:24 		deja vu all over again, again.
37WiddleAvi
      ID: 582361912
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 20:01 		At this point I agree that there is no reason to time him out.
38I_AM_CANADIAN @ Work
      ID: 364563113
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 20:23 		To YR... If your keeping with a 8 hour clock though... he won't time out till 8:31AM tomorrow morning. I really hope he picks before then.
39wiggs
      ID: 507593021
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 21:04 		i picked, sorry guys. just got home from school. I thought I would be able to check before I left but the lab was closed.
40wiggs
      ID: 507593021
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 21:05 		i am going to get some food, you can skip my next pick and I will get it when I get back. Again. I apologize about being late.
41Tree
      ID: 87562618
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 22:12 		Loki - where did ya go??
42loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 22:29 		t-i posted earlier that i would not be available from 8-10pm. i'm home now and will pick shortly-l
43wiggs
      ID: 507593021
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 22:30 		back
44Tree
      ID: 87562618
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 22:35 		ah. sorry loki. missed it. my bad.
45dwfffan
      ID: 483318
      Fri, Sep 03, 2004, 22:46 		Species your up
46I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 00:11 		Species didn't send me his queue... so I'm guessing he'll be around in the morning to make his pick.
47Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 02:24 		Toral's up
48wiggs
      ID: 507593021
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 10:54
i will be out of town til tomorrow afternoon, you can skip me if it is my turn and I will pick when I get back. thanks
51I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 13:26 		Next Up:

9) PanchoVilla
10) Slowhand
11) Bandos
52Tree
      ID: 87562618
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 14:08 		PV said he might be camping this weekend (post 10). i guess it's a wait and see...
53I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 15:22 		Well his timeout time is for 4:32PM (EST). If he doesn't show by then, Slowhand should have the GreenFlag to pick.
54WiddleAvi
      ID: 582361912
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 15:33 		Considering we only have a little over a round to go I think we give the full 8 hrs.
55Tree
      ID: 87562618
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 15:35 		nope. no time out for Pancho.

the first post very clearly says there is a suspension of the clock for the weekend, UNLESS a majority say they will be here, and THEN it goes to an EIGHT hour clock.

but there was no majority, so the clock is off.
56I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 15:50 		? I thought only a couple said that they would have a hard time picking over the weekend? Eight hour seems ok, If need be... but no clock at all? It doesn't appear clear at all.
57I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 15:57 		Besides Pancho... Only Art of Monk appeared to have problems picking. (He sent his Queue to YR.)

I know that a few managers are going to be around for sure besides they are picking in other divisions also. ie. Bandos & Slowhand.

And for post #1... he didn't say their would be a clock suspension. He was just bringing it up as an option. No one asked for it to be applied so I see no reason to use it.
58Tree
      ID: 87562618
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 16:05 		- clock suspension for this weekend: how many of you will be unavailable or only partly available during this weekend? if over a majority will be available I tend to go back to a 8 hour limit for the weekend (including Monday or not?)

to me, that says we're suspending the clock for the weekend, UNLESS a majority of of team owners are here and chime in, then we'll go an 8-hour clock.

we're at the tale end of the draft. why the hard-on to finish on a saturday night during the last weekend of the summer?
59I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 16:15 		Please read the whole post...

"open points:"

No one asked... so why apply something that was brought up, but no one expressed interest in?

I really don't mean to be rude, but I've tried to keep this draft moving along the whole way through... I understand that you are co-commish... but it seems like you exist in this league just to piss me off.

I just ask that you look at the best interest of the "entire" group of 14 managers, instead of focusing on 1. Most of us, will be around this weekend. If someone knew that they were going to be away then they should have left a queue (Like Art of Monk did).

(Again, No harm intented in this post)
60Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 16:28 		I'm here. Give me a minute to pick.
61I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 16:31 		sweet!
62Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 16:35 		Sorry for the delay. I decided to do some work this morning, then got 2 calls and had to go give some estimates. Thought I'd be back hours ago.
63I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 16:40 		Pancho... You need to repick... he was taken at 19.07
64I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:11 		Slowhand your up.
65Slowhand @ work
      ID: 0717415
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 17:47 		Pick made..I'm out for a few hours; if it makes it back to me feel free to skip my last pick,and I'll catch it when I get back.
66I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 18:00 		THK, your up. Then it's time for Art of Monk's Queue. You still around YR?
67youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 18:30 		i'm here. only waiting for THK.
68youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 19:50 		IAC - I forwarded you ArtOfMonk's queue because I'm off to bed. should be back at around 2am.

If the draft makes it back to my pick, skip me.
69I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 21:22 		Bandos your up.
70TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 21:23 		I was excited a screwed up my Eli pick! ;-) Oh well...

Brooks/Boller/Eli
Henry/Dillon/Brown
Stallworth/Porter/Branch/LLoyd
Witten/LJ Smith
Stover
Denver/Seattle
O-Gun/Kevin Williams
Taylor/June/Peterson

Not bad from my position IMO. Hurting at RB and ready to deal.

Thanks,
THK
71Slowhand @ work
      ID: 40343218
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 22:46 		Picked..Let the trades begin :-)
72WiddleAvi
      ID: 43814421
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 23:02 		Last round. Starting to get excited. I look forward to seeing what everyone says about their best and works picks etc. Should be interesting
73I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 23:34 		Not that I mean to brag... but I lead RQL#3 (Baseball) in trades this year. :)

I had 10. The next closest in our division was Holt with 5. Not that it helped me much. I sit mid-pack in that division.

So if anyone has a Trade offer... I'm ALWAYS open to discus it.
74I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 23:49 		You're free to pick if you wish Tree. Youngroman asked to be skipped if it made it to him tonight. He'll be back at 2AM to make it up.
75TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 23:55 		IAC-
You know I like Barlow...have him in all my leagues and would like this to stay the same if at all possible.

THK
76 I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 23:59 		THK - Make me an offer.
77I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 00:02 		I know we were really behind in the Rationals... but I got all mine done. Once were done drafting, should we just email them all to you YoungRoman?
+
Are we going to be adding the players to the rosters on RotoWorld ourselves, or are you also handling that YR?
78TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 00:41 		Well it boils down to what you want added to Henry or Dillon if you are interested? I don't really know...

Your team looks like it has solid depth other than at DL or IDP, so I have no idea where your interests are.

THK
79I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 09:14 		I'm looking at something right now THK. I'll try to catch you online later this afternoon.
80I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 09:15 		Toral is Up.
81dwfffan
      ID: 3482357
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 10:51 		I_A_C, queue for last pick sent. If for some reason both are taken then SKIP me and I will finish on Tuesday when I return.
82dwfffan
      ID: 3482357
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 12:22 		I_A_C, I got it.
83I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 12:29 		Sorry bout that dwfffan. I had gone back to bed.
84Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 12:53 		Done. Thanx to everyone. Thanx to I A C for facilitating in keeping the thing running. To each and every one of you, my wish is that you have the second best luck in the league ;)

Toral
85youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 12:54 		loki - if you want you can do your last pick. wiggs said in post 48 that he wouldn't mind to be skipped.

I have entered all rosters into Rotoworld, only the last 2 picks are missing. as soon as they are done, I'll set them and start the season. All undrafted players should be automatically set on waivers until Wednesday night. before week1 waiver order will be reverse order of picking your draft position (like RIFC) , after that the order will be determined based on rankings.

here is the initial order:
Art Of Monk
TaRhEElKiD
Bandos
Slowhand
I_AM_CANADIAN
loki
dwfffan
Species
Pancho Villa
Toral
wiggs
WiddleAvi
Tree
youngroman

If you want to do trades keep in mind that there is a 2 day-league-review until the trade will be processed.
86loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 13:16 		pick made.
87WiddleAvi
      ID: 582361912
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 23:11 		is there going to be a new thread for final draft analysis and thought proccess or should we just post it in the other thread for rationals ??
88I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 23:17 		I got all my draft rationals and post-draft analysis ready too. I guess I'll make us a thread, later.
89youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 04:16 		rosters are entered into Rotoworld and the league is set "in season", so you should see all your players on your rosters. if a player is wrong you can exchange it with the right player.

I got a reply from Rotoworld last week that all undrafted players land on waivers. Currently it looks like that they are free agents. I sent them a mail about this problem.
as long as there is no answer on this topic, please do only pickups if the current player I assigned to your team is wrong.
If there is no solution (and I think that will happen because time is short) you can send your waiver claims to youngroman@hotmail.com and I will process them by hand on Thursday at around 2am. waiver priority is listed in post 85.

let the show begin!
90Bandos
      ID: 13762111
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 08:49 		I officially put in my waiver request for Chad Johnson who, for some reason, is listed as a FA :)

I think Wiggs drafted him, but if you dont want him....
91Tree
      ID: 87562618
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 08:56 		ugh. not liking rotoworld much so far.

loads really slow. the lineup interface doesn't tell me what positions i need to fill, at least not any place i can find it on the page where i set my lineups...

and if you make ONE error in setting that line up, it saves nothing, and you have to start over...
92Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 09:40 		No, I'm not a fan either so far.

OT -- Tree, can you delete the unneeded PG league just to get it out of there?

Toral
93Tree
      ID: 87562618
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 10:35 		ah. yea. lemme see about that Toral...
94I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 11:23 		Well maybe it might get better? But right now I find their website painfully slow.
95youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 11:53 		reply from Rotoworld.com Customer Service:

"The players appear on the free agent list but really they are on waivers. You will see that if you click on one of the players to pick him up.
We will check to see if there is a way for you to manually set the waiver wire order for Wed. We'll let you know by tomorrow at the latest."

lets see if they can do this. I have also mailed them about the set-lineup-positional-thing that Tree has mentioned. If I get home I'll check out why they are that poor in performance and will report that problem too. it only can get better I think.
96Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 17:01 		Enjoying the back rationales and draft recaps. I won't have time to do mine till late this week, but they will be there.

Toral
97wiggs
      ID: 507593021
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 17:15 		i definately drafted johnson.
98Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 17:53 		I tried to pick up a free agent, but there's no way to tell if it went through, that I know of. It did drop the player I requested though.
99youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 19:01 		I currently set the waiver-wire off because I can't find where I can change his roster. wiggs you should be able to pick up Chad Johnson, then you will see the Lineup-page there you select your other C. Johnson to drop and should be able to save. I think you also need to set a valid lineup before saving.

Tree - at the bottom of the set-lineup-page are now the positional requirements listed. I'll keep mailing Rotoworld if they implement such little enhancements in less then 1 day.
100 youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 19:18 		wiggs - forget my last post, i just found out how this works. In that process I had to set up a lineup for you. Don't forget to change it.

waivers are re-activated

Pancho Villa - what were you trying to do? currently all players should be on waivers until Wed night. there is currently a problem because I cannot set or see the current waiver priority on Rotoworld. unless this is resolved by Rotoworld until tomorrow please send me your waiver claims by mail and I will process them by hand. should I set James Farrior back on your roster?
101TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 19:59 		I can't even access a team?!??! (confused)

THK
102dwfffan
      ID: 7850616
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 20:24 		I dont know about anyone else, but I am not impressed with rotoworld.com. Pages load slow if at all, and not very user friendly navigating through out the site.
103loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 21:08 		yr-i cannot comment on the quality of the rotoworld site, but if it is this problematic, would you consider switching to yahoo since the league is already registered at yahoo? this would of course entail a lot of work on your part to reenter all of the players.-l
104loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 21:15 		i could not load a team page at rotoworld. anyone else with this problem?
105I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 21:27 		Ummm yup me too. I must say this doesn't instill that much confidence in their service.

I wouldn't mind shelling out $5 if it means a good reliable stable product. Any thoughts on Fanball or a similar website?
106loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 23:01 		yr-did you get my waiver add and drop?-l
107youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 03:38 		loki - I got it.

I will wait until tomorrow to see if I get a response from Rotoworld for a lot of questions I asked.

For me it looks like the performance issue seems to be misconfigured web-servers/databases because when I get the connection to their server I get a response with over 50 kb/s.

currently their servers are performing really well , but that could be because it is night in the US.

problem with switching to yahoo would be that the scoring system there would differ in some aspects, mainly in return-yardage and that would change the performance of some drafted players like Dante Hall and others who are mainly return guys.
108Tree
      ID: 87562618
      Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 07:07 		waiver question - if we don't get the player we want via the email system, will we have time to pick up a free agent in order to play him that week?
109loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 07:59 		yr-i did not realize that when i made that suggestion.-l
110youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 08:25 		Tree - yes there should be enough time to pick up free agents. you have all of Thursday to pick up players that play in the season opener, and then you have time until Sunday 5 minutes before gametime for all others.
players that are dropped Tuesday or later will land on waivers and can be first claimed in the next week
111youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 10:11 		next response from Rotoworld.com Customer Service:

"Thank you for that feedback. You are correct - we are experiencing site slowness. We are tracking the problem and it looks like it is being caused by bad equipment in our hosting location. We expect to get it fixed within the next couple of days."

I hope for you all that will happen soon.
112Art of Monk
      ID: 32531249
      Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 10:53 		Do I need to enter my own team or is commish taking care of this. I have another league on rotoworld and I have entered my team three times, but my roster keeps being cleared.
113I_AM_CANADIAN @ Work
      ID: 364563113
      Tue, Sep 07, 2004, 10:57 		YR has entered the complete draft. You just need to set your lineup for week 1.
114youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 03:56 		you should be able to enter your waivers into Rotoworld. I just set the correct waiver-priority listed in post 85. Rotoworld seems quick in implementing features (this one was a must)

I'll enter the claims I got by mail in a few minutes.
115youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 04:43 		looks like waivers were run last night because now all undrafted players are really free agents. So I have to do the waiver-drops/pickups by hand.
because of that no manager can do pickups today. I have set that off. As soon as I process the claims (tomorrow 2am-3am) I'll reset it so that you all can do your free agent pickups.

Tree - post 110 was not the full truth. this is our usual Rotoworld-timetable:
* from start of the first game (normally Sunday 1pm) until Wednesday night (11:30pm to 5 am): waivers
* from Thursday morning until the start of the first game: free agent pickups

lineup-changes can be done until 5 minutes before game-time of that player

if you want to do pickups before Sunday noon and players are already on waivers, send me a mail and I'll add that player by hand. I can do that procedure also for the Thanksgiving week. limitation: players which teams already played can not be dropped or picked up.
116Tree
      ID: 87562618
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 07:11 		YR - there is a message forum on the homepage for our league on rotoworld.

could you again post the entire waiver process? this manual thing has me confused as a mofo...
117Tree
      ID: 87562618
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 07:12 		basically, there's a player i'd like to pick up right now, but dont know if i can...
118youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 08:27 		Tree - the waiver-process is posted at our Rotoworld-forum, if you want that player badly, simply mail me a claim and I'll process it tomorrow morning with all the others, if not check in early tomorrow and do it yourself.
the waiver-priority will be reset every week based on standings.
119Bandos
      ID: 1581829
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 11:16 		Widdle - mulling a counter - but I need a bit more time
120WiddleAvi
      ID: 0533238
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 11:25 		Thats fine Bandos.
122Tree
      ID: 76471215
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 12:00 		thanks YR. i appreciate it.
123Tree
      ID: 76471215
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 12:11 		actually. YR. i'm still trying to grasp it.

can i put in a claim right now on a player through rotoworld, and it will happen automatically tomorrow if i am first in line, or is this something i need to email you about?

i'm asking, because there is a lot of confusion in another league i'm in.
124Tree
      ID: 76471215
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 12:19 		ugh! it happened...

there was just a free agent pick up. there shouldnt be any...right? of someone i was going to pick up at 6 am today, but didn't.
125I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 12:21 		Yeah, I can't say I'm too impressed by that either. I was watching the guy, and now don't get the chance to decide. Wheren't we supposed to send all our waiver requests to YR?
126Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 12:25 		I made a claim....If I screwed up and jumped the gun I will gladly fix it. The whole damn post (on the Rotoworld site) was so long and convoluted I believed it to be valid upon the start of the regular season and not the timeframe between the draft and week 1 lineups.

I was so surprised no one had picked him up I figured I had nothing to lose. Let me know yr.
127Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 12:29 		.......and I didn't read this thread in advance of making that pickup. My bad.
128Tree
      ID: 76471215
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 12:29 		i think he's techinically on waivers species. it's why i didn't grab him.

anyway, i put a poll up on the site...
129Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 12:31 		yr's post is pretty clear. As soon as he confirms I'll be glad to release him and send him to the dogs.
130youngroman
      ID: 206491016
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 13:00 		Species - I redid your pickup. the interesting thing is that I have set off the free-agent-pickups for today to avoid this. I'll mail Rotoworld that error.

dwfffan - I also redid his waiver-claim that went through this morning. waivers should run on Wednesday night not on Tuesday night.

Tree - after my vote, here a more detailed answer to your poll: I also don't like this mail-thing. It looks like Rotoworld has a problem with waivers prior to week 1. claims for next week will be entered in Rotoworld and processed on Wednesday night.
131I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 13:12 		One small note: It appears everyone but Slowhand, has made an attempt to set their initial rosters.

In case you've been waiting for the site to get faster Slowhand... it's much better than it was on Monday.
132Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 13:55 		OK........we've fixed this issue, and it SEEMS as if, going forward, we have the issue corrected after week one with corrected setting that put everyone on waivers, with waivers clearing Wednesday night (which I like).

Can someone explain exactly our instructions on making pickups prior to week 1? Email to yr? Input on site?

Thanks.
133I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 13:59 		dwfffan ... trade proposal sent.
134 youngroman
      ID: 206491016
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 14:03 		Species - today claims can be sent to me, tomorrow (after I processed the mailed claims) you should be able to do FA-pickups yourself until the start of the season opener. After that every player should land on waivers until next Wednesday.
135Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 15:56 		yr - not that it's any secret, but can you just duplicate the exact pickup I had input this morning? Having the #4 overall pick I assume my waiver priority is 11th, but wtf do I have to lose by putting in the claim? Thanks
136youngroman
      ID: 206491016
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 16:00 		Species - claim is accepted, your waiver priority is 8th (see post 85).
137TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 18:26 		YR-
Sent you an waiver player. Already dropped LJ because I thought he would be replaced with the the player I am trying to pick up...check your e-mail.

Thanks,
THK
138youngroman
      ID: 206491016
      Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 19:17 		I'm off to bed now. If you have claims, questions, or anything else email me or post here. I'll be back at 2am to process waivers. If there is something unclear we can discuss this tomorrow.
139holt
      ID: 497552
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 01:13 		just came here to see if you guys are having problems with roto world.

I entered 6 or 7 of our rosters (in rql-3) last night. now they are all empty. anyone have an explanation for this?

I can't believe I have to go back do them all again. apparently their save button is just for looks. joy.
140youngroman
      ID: 206491016
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 02:38 		I just processed waivers, here are the pickups:
THK: Lamar Gordon for LJ Smith
Tree: Mewelde Moore for Mike Anderson
loki: Reno Mahe for Dorsey Levens
dwfffan: Dominic Rhodes for Marcus Robinson
youngroman: Gary Andersen for Joe Nedney

don't forget to change your lineup if you want one of the new players to start.

From now on free agent pickups should be possible for all and after the start of tonights opener you should be able to claim every player on Rotoworld. the claims will be processed on Wednesday night.
141loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 08:26 		yr-what happens if a claim is put in before the start of tonight's game? would it be ignored by rotoworld? would it be queued? thanks.-l
142I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 09:11 		RE Loki: FA's are available till Kickoff tonight. The waiver players will be processed again next Wednesday night.

btw. I sent an email to Slowhand asking him to set his lineup for week one. He appears to be the only one who hasn't yet.
143youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 09:35 		IAC - if Slowhand has not set his lineup this evening I can set one for him. he has only one player who plays tonight (Peyton), which I am sure he wants to start. All other slots can still be changed by him until Sunday.
144loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 09:36 		I_A_C-Thanks.-l
145Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 10:38 		Line-up set,just a little busy.
146Pancho Villa
      ID: 20136266
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 12:07 		Suddenly I can't get into the sight, because it's asking me to register and I don't have the league password.

I emailed YR with my waiver request, but am not listed in #140
Richard Seymour for James Farrior

Help!
147Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 12:23 		PV - do you have multiple Rotoworld ID's? I use 2 so I have to re-login when I've been in one or the other. Just a thought.
148Pancho Villa
      ID: 20136266
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 12:40 		Finally got in. Now, when I go to set lineup, it says No players on this team

Is it fair to say that Rotoworld sucks?
149youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 14:09 		PV - i never got a mail from you, usually I respond to them. I just put Seymour on your team. Looking at your team everything looks fine. you also have a lineup set on Sep. 6 - 9:46 am et according to the transaction log.
you can also use 2 different browsers for 2 different IDs/teams.
150Art of Monk
      ID: 32531249
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 14:56 		has anyone purchased live scoring?
151Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 16:24 		I'd like to thank those that have been gracious enough to mention the strength of my team or the strength of some picks. Unfortunately I can't return that graciousness because I'm going to kick all of your asses! ;-)

GAME ON!
152I_AM_CANADIAN @ Work
      ID: 364563113
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 17:16 		RE:151 Bring your best team to the Field in Week 9... I got your #!
153Pancho Villa
      ID: 20136266
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 20:08 		Week 9, IAC? Better worry about week 1 which starts TONIGHT!!!
154holt
      ID: 497552
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 21:11 		hey youngroman. hubble just asked me about IDP's getting credit for kick/punt returns, so I e-mailed rotoworld:

Rotoworld.com Customer Service:

By default the IDPs will definitely get credit for kick and punt returns. If you don't want that you need to change the league scoring to score differently for different positions. Then do not enter any scoring for the Default position for kick and punt returns. Enter scoring for kick and punt returns for QBs, RBs, WRs and TEs - that way they will get credit for those stats and IDPs won't

Replying to your message:

hi. my league uses IDP's. we want to make sure that the IDP's don't score points for kick/punt returns. we only want offensive players to score in those categories. can you explain to me how that works?

hopefully this is the default setting. otherwise we'll have people drafting DB's who return kicks.
____________________________________

I don't think our ql-3 league is set for individual positions is it? this would mean I'd have to go back and re-enter the scoring settings for every position individually. arghhhh! I'm really starting to hate rotoworld.
155youngroman
      ID: 206491016
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 22:16 		holt - I have set it the same for all players which means defense players get credited for return-yards. looking at last years stats, the following defense players were regular returners: P. Buchanon, RW. McQuarters, A. Rossum, D. O'Neal, L. Brightful (all are DB). none of them was drafted in our league so it currently makes no difference for us.
156TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 22:23 		I HATE our league site. It is soooooooooooooooooooooo damn slow

THK
157holt
      ID: 187472321
      Thu, Sep 09, 2004, 23:37 		ok - that's good. I wasn't sure how many DB return men there were. I don't think any of those guys were drafted in our league either.
158loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Fri, Sep 10, 2004, 10:53 		yr-i put in a waiver claim on 9/9/04. when will this claim go through? rotoworld has the player listed as a free agent; therefore should he not already be on my team, since as a free agent i could pick him up now. sorry for my confusion. thanks!!-l
159youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Fri, Sep 10, 2004, 11:47 		loki - Rotoworld is a but confusing on that. currently all players are on waivers but listed as free agent. waivers will be cleared every Wednesday night, the next time on Sep 15. It seems that you entered your claim after the start of the opener because all players land on waivers at the beginning of the first game of the week.
160Art of Monk
      ID: 32531249
      Fri, Sep 10, 2004, 13:09 		anyone did live scoring yet
161loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Fri, Sep 10, 2004, 13:14 		yr-that is what i find confusing. i do not recall exactly when i entered the claim ,but rotoworld indicates that it was on 9/9/04 at 9:32am. since that was before the start of the first game, why did the pick up not go through? thanks!!-l
162youngroman
      ID: 206491016
      Fri, Sep 10, 2004, 14:33 		found this on Rotoworld:
Stats and points based on last night's Colts-Patriots game will be posted today, Friday Sept. 10th, at approximately 2 pm ET.

loki - I'm not able to see your waiver claims, but I trust you. name me the player to drop/add and I'll do the transaction for you. Rotoworld will investigate that case
163youngroman
      ID: 206491016
      Fri, Sep 10, 2004, 16:10 		another info from Rotoworld:
Stats and points based on last night's Colts-Patriots game will be posted later today. Normally the stats will posted the morning after games are played. Thank you for your patience will we prepare the leagues today for their first update.
164Tree
      ID: 76471215
      Fri, Sep 10, 2004, 17:48 		nearly 6 pm, and still nothing. maybe by sunday? ;o)
165loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Fri, Sep 10, 2004, 18:41 		yr-i just e-mailed the claim to you.-l
166youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Fri, Sep 10, 2004, 18:59 		loki - the player you have a claim on was dropped the day waivers were cleared, here is the Rotoworld-ruling on that (can also be found on the league-message-board):

"Players dropped the day the waiver wire runs will not be awarded that run - they will be awarded the following run. For example, if a league chooses to have their waiver wire run on Tuesday nights, all players dropped from teams in the league that day will not be awarded that night, they will be awarded the following Tuesday night. This rule is in effect for all leagues using the waiver wire and cannot be adjusted. It is in place to make the process fairer by giving each team time to see who was waived."

so it looks like everything is ok on Rotoworld. Lets see if you get your claim next Wednesday.
167youngroman
      ID: 59242611
      Fri, Sep 10, 2004, 19:05 		player-points are posted on Rotoworld. defense-points are still missing.
168Bandos
      ID: 52836313
      Sat, Sep 11, 2004, 00:10 		Could this be ended and a SEASON thread started by someone who can link it all. Thanks.
169I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Sep 11, 2004, 00:39 		PLEASE USE NEW THREAD -> REGULAR SEASON DISCUSSION
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