Posted by: Trip
- [478261310] Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 12:29
Please use this thread to discuss the regular season and any scoring issues.
1
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 12:29
Week #1 Scoring Adjustments:
Punt
Ret
Adjustment
No Fat Picks
30
26
4.04
Peter N
55
5.5
Vicious Goats
9
0.9
2
Greybear
ID: 3275208 Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 13:54
Hi all,
so are we going to keep posting here or is anybody going to use the Fanball message function?
As for my analysis of the first week of play... hmmm, well... I squeaked by with one win. Nothing to be all that excited about. Especially given Bulger's performance against the Cards at HOME and Barlow's performance AT HOME. So I commend both of them for their masterful performances, Bravo!
Old and decrepit Vinny would have given me more points than Bulger. Not that it would have made a big difference in the grand scheme of things, as the Trippers were still going to kill the goats, so congrats to Trip for being the first (of probably many) goat-spankers, or goat-fokkers, whichever you prefer.
I am sure most of you already know of this site but if some do not, may I point out that www.pigskinaddiction.com makes a very good recap of the week-end games called WTHH (What the Hell Happened?). If you have not read it yet this week, I recommend it. I thought it was one of the best editions yet in my few years of reading it.
That's my rant for now, See y’all later, GB
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The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 18:03
Absolutely terrible week for No Fat Picks - not due to the results (1-1), but due to Steve Smith's injury. Fortunately for me, I think WR is my strongest area on the team, and we'll be heavily testing that depth the rest of the year.
Hero: Jeff Garcia. Good performance against a defense many had at the top of their charts. He's a steal if he can keep this up.
Zero: Me for starting Barton instead of Morgan - would have won both games with that one change. On the field, Dante Hall didn't do much of anything and needs to pick it up now that he's my #2 guy.
Looks to be very competitive - hopefully I can keep everyone else healthy and keep up.
4
dgrooves
ID: 513181020 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 08:25
Was there ever a decision made on how many teams from each Qualifying league make it to the Invitational league next season?
5
Greybear
ID: 3275208 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 10:34
Ummm,
Letter_J just dumped his TE and picked up a new one according to Fanball. I don't know if I imagined this or not but I thought that waivers were going to be processed in a more structured fashion, i.e. we were going to have rounds starting with the poor managers who sucked the worst in the previous weeks.
If it is going to be a free for all, please advise as I will go on right now and do my thang!
Could Trip and/or dgrooves kindly comment on this issue,
GB
6
Bags
ID: 13312922 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 10:44
I have added player on Fanball. I didn't know that the player I picked would be added today. I thought I was picking my player and would get him once all the waivers had been processed.
If I need to drop him for someone below me let me know. I will hold off on my other waiver claims untill this is sorted out.
7
Greybear
ID: 3275208 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 11:03
Sorry guys, I may be having a blond moment and just did not make a distinction between the Add/Remove Players and the actual waiver wire. If there is no order for the add and remove then I guess Letter_J was right in doing what he did.
Since I have seen bags’ post I just went ahead and did the same thing, I added a player to my roster and dropped one. If I shouldn’t have done this kindly let me know.
8
Trip
ID: 478261310 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 11:23
STOP
No one should be adding/removing players. Teams should put in a claim for players. Looking through the settings, I had free agent requests set to become available 2 hours ahead of the time when the claims were processed.
To put in a claim, select claims under transactions. Then select Create/Edit Your Claiming System Requests.
I am undoing the claims made by teams so far.
9
Trip
ID: 478261310 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 11:32
I was unable to add the players who were dropped back to the teams who dropped them. If they wish to reclaim these players they have first rights to them but will need to let us know if they do want these players back on their rosters.
The players who were picked up and dropped by these teams will not clear waivers until Friday. It allows me to see all claim requests made by teams so I will probably have to sort this out manually.
10
Letter_J
ID: 30733010 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 11:33
This is fubarred,
I now do not have a tight end to release.
11
Trip
ID: 478261310 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 11:42
My bad. I was able to reset waivers by disabling and then enabling them. Players have been added back to their original teams and claims will be processed as originally intended.
12
Greybear
ID: 3275208 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 12:53
Well great,
I go to lunch and come back to find out that I have missed the Claim deadline - which I was totally unaware of.
I guess I can only blame myself as it is my responsibility to find out these deadlines although I find that it would have been nice for someone to mention the process at least once in this thread.
So to recap, am I correct in stating that our "claims" for free agents had to be in by noon today, but there can be some further acquisitions from the players that have been waived????? and that both the free agents claims and the waived players claims will be processed according to the reverse standing order???
If all of this has been explained on a previous thread or if it is on the fanball site somewhere, kinldy let me know because as of this present moment, I feel I have been totally fokked without any foreplay.
I await our commishes' insightful comments. Thanks in advance,
GB
13
Trip
ID: 478261310 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 13:07
You are correct. All of the league settings were copied from the RIFC. I'm sorry for not making the rules clearer, but I didn't hear any questions until this morning and answered them as quickly as possible.
Free agent claims can now be made on a first-come first serve basis. Players who are waived in a free agent claims become available 48 hours later. You may put in a waiver wire request for these players.
14
Greybear
ID: 3275208 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 13:17
Can I claim my free agent now???? How do I claim my guy now?? In the Add/Remove Player section or do I have to do something special????
I would rather not take any chance so I will go ahead and do my add and drop now. If I am not allowed - for some ungodly reason - I trust you will reset my roster as was done this AM.
15
Greybear
ID: 3275208 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 13:20
hmmm,
correction on that previous post, I can't pick him up anymore as he is now - allegedly - a dropped player. Is there anyway to fix that or is he inelligible (sp) for another week (until next Tuesday ??).
16
Letter_J
ID: 30733010 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 14:30
WTF is going on?
Can someone please explain this goddamn f'n system. How this waiver wire works? Can you just release anyone? And pick anyone up? I've got 20 I'm about to waive.
17
dgrooves
ID: 25211111 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 15:07
WTF???
I was unable to queue up any player requests during the week because I kept getting a message about players not being available until Wednesday at 10am. I just checked the Fanball site and all the players I wanted to claim are on other teams now.
18
Trip
ID: 478261310 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 17:47
Did you guys think there was going to be fastest finger contest every Wednesday at 10AM?
Sorry for the confusion, but if you needed help, it should have been asked for before the time was up.
You can drop and add anyone.
I reprocessed the free agent drop/adds which were made before the claims were processed.
Copied from RIFC Discussion:
1. Go to "Claims" in the transaction box on the left of the screen 2. Go to "Create/Edit Your Claiming System Requests" 3. Click on "Go to Claim list A" in the drop down box 4. Pick the player you want to add/drop
I think that should be it
19
dgrooves
ID: 513181020 Wed, Sep 15, 2004, 18:10
Tell me where I went wrong:
Wanting to see the top available players listed together, I looked at the toolbar on the left side of the screen. I see something called "Player Listing". Clicking on that link, I see that you can view the top players at each of the positions. You can also set a filter to only show free agents. In each row [representing a player], there's a link you can click to pick up that player. Directly quoting the Note on the page: "If you wish to pick up an available player, click "yes" next to the player's name. If you want to see which team owns an unavailable player, pause your mouse over "no" next to the player's name." Foolishly, I assumed that meant I would be able to pick that player up. Lesson learned, I guess.
To be clear, I dont think anyone here is at fault. Fanball's UI could definately be streamlined though.
21
Bandos
ID: 3284319 Thu, Sep 16, 2004, 07:53
I did the same thing as dgrooves. So it is an honor thing? Im cool with that. What dod I do about the drop/add I made?
22
dgrooves
ID: 513181020 Thu, Sep 16, 2004, 07:58
I dont think its an honor thing. I think were just SOL. Waiver requests already went through, so the available players can now be picked up in a first come, first served manner.
23
Greybear
ID: 3275208 Thu, Sep 16, 2004, 08:54
I think that most of the confusion emerged as a result of the site’s configuration and the language used on our threads. We have talked about “waiver rounds” on here but when you get to the site and you can either make a “claim request”, a “waiver request” or Add and Drop players.
Dear Trip, sorry if it irritates you that I find this confusing. Both my husband and I have post-graduate degrees but I guess we are still too challenged to figure out a fokkin’ fantasy football website.
Concerning the cacksukkin’ RGQFL rules, it seems to me that there are bits and pieces of them in a bunch of different threads. If you have a link, kindly post it. Given the fact that I have to work for a living and have to bill time to earn my keep around here, I do not have time to canvass the whole Football forum and read every single thread.
As for asking for help before the time is up, I had no idea that the deadline was noon on Wednesday. I thought it was noon on Friday. I find it a bit ridiculous that all 14 of us have to work our schedule around so that we are available between 10 am to noon on every Wednesday. I think it is an extremely short time frame and I think that it should have been advertised long before the deadline arrived. Judging by the minimal amount of claims processed, I doubt that Letter_J, dgrooves and I were the only ones to f_ck-up our picks. Conveniently for them, a few owners knew about the deadline and presumably got all the guys they wanted out of this week’s rounds.
I trust that things will run more smoothly next week.
24
Trip Donor
ID: 13961611 Thu, Sep 16, 2004, 21:15
Guys/Gals:
I am doing my best. Greybear, I have worked my 40+ hours already this week and won't be leaving early tomorrow. I also don't think this league is full of idiots as it is abundantly clear from the lack of free agent claims that the process needs explanation.
That being said, if anyone has any questions regardin the waiver/free agent claim processes please let me know. If we can't get a good question and answer session going here I will do my best to explain the process before the end of the weekend.
I wouldn't mind extending the free agent claiming period until Wednesday at 5 PM. If there are no objections, I will go ahead and put this into effect next week. If there is are several people who would like it even later, I may consider this, but we do have to consider the Thursday night games later in the season.
Constructive criticism is more than welcome but if I see fokkin or cacksokker or a$$ (or cum guzzlin whore) posted again in this thread, I will do my best to ignore those posts. Let's save that for your opponents on the boards at Fanball.
Trip... I understand as an observer from another league the frustrations from some of these managers. Though it might be true that maybe they could have held back from using certain expletives, I do feel for them.
The waiver time that was provided was shorter than how long was being given to make a draft pick?! That seems kind of odd.
Also, I don't mean to point a finger here (I'm likely to get in trouble for putting my nose in business that isn't my own again), but is it not true that you yourself profited pretty well from these weeks waiver claims? Do you think that maybe some managers feel that the wool was being pulled over their eyes in this area, in order to profit yourself?
I can say that this is not the type of talk you want to here about a division that is supposed to be made up of people who believe in fair play.
I would suggest that you redo this week’s waiver and give the whole league adequate time and instruction on how to proceed.
26
dgrooves
ID: 513181020 Thu, Sep 16, 2004, 22:56
As one of the owners who feels slighted, I think I must say that I dont not think that anything shady happened. I dont believe Trip is putting his interests ahead of those of the league.
Im not happy that I missed the deadline, and whileI do think that other, more Fanball-knowledgable owners benefited, I dont feel cheated.
I blame myself for not trying to find the rules and not asking questions when I was confused. [Although I also blame Fanball for developing a poor UI]
RE dgrooves: I don't mean to speak for anyone, but I do know of two managers who do feel the way that I expressed. They are two of the managers that were posting during the time that all heck was breaking loose.
Also... between post 9 and 12 the time that elapsed was much less the forementioned 2 hours.
Even if some people are blaiming themselves, it is clear that these waivers were processed in a improper manner.
Wether or not Trip had intention to profit on the situation, I do not care to take a guess on; but it certainly isn't good for managers to be having those type of thoughts about their commish.
28
Trip Donor
ID: 13961611 Thu, Sep 16, 2004, 23:38
Trust me. I had more claims in, but put in options for 3 players for 1 of my drops and 2 players for the other drop. I was surprised to see that only one other manager had made claims. If I had no conscience, I would have happily made another couple of additional moves, but did not feel comfortable doing so. I was ignorant of the league's ignorance and am equally to blame.
I don't think that a rerun of the free agent claim process is feasible at this point in time, but if more people voice their minds, I don't have a problem with it, but it must be done ASAP.
29
Trip Donor
ID: 13961611 Thu, Sep 16, 2004, 23:40
Oh, and we have a trade accepted. I will process it tomorrow if I don't hear any objections, and I don't expect to.
Vicious Goats was offering: RB Kevan Barlow, SF WR Derrick Mason, TEN
To receive from Devastation Inc.: RB Jamal Lewis, BAL WR Eric Parker, SD
30
Greybear
ID: 3275208 Fri, Sep 17, 2004, 08:48
Firstly, I am a bit disappointed that I could not take part of last night’s discussion on this week’s waiver fiasco. It’s not a big deal for me because I ultimately got my guy but I feel that it may have been a big deal for others.
However, I am sure that to commish a league is not the easiest task and that it probably takes more time and effort than I would be willing to volunteer. For that, I thank both Trip and dgrooves.
As for the quality of my language, I will not use any further foul language on this board and will gladly join in the discussions on the fanball thread. However, I will not apologize for anything I have written on this thread so far as I feel it accurately depicted my feelings at that time (expression is a beautiful thing).
31
Letter_J
ID: 30733010 Fri, Sep 17, 2004, 09:50
To all fellow managers of RQFL #2:
A few personal comments on the "waiver" problem.
As can probably be inferred from the rant that I posted above (#16), panic was setting in on that fateful Wednesday morning. I was merely attempting to express my displeasure with the manner in which it seemed that the "waivers" were proceding. It may be that my displeasure was expressed in an inappropriate manner. If that is the case, I apologize to any and all who may have been offended.
Although I did not precisely know how to put in a claim (still don't, I think!), I attempted to figure it out. I released Marcus Pollard. Up until then all was good in the world (again, I think!). I then went through the motions and put in a claim for Eric Johnson. I was shortly thereafter awarded Johnson. As such, I assumed that the other managers ahead of me in the waiver list had their waiver claims processed and no one saw any desire to release someone and pick up TE Johnson.
Trip then halted everything and reset the rosters to their original position (I am not faulting Trip for so doing.). Thereafter, Pollard was back on my roster but for some reason the system would not allow me to release him again. Ergo, my frustration level as I felt that someone else was going to put in a claim for Johnson and receive him.
As of this time, I am still perplexed at why the system would not allow me to release Pollard again and pick up Johnson. However, at the end of the day, I believe that I have now received Johnson (post-waivers it would seem from the waiver awards of the week). I hope this is indeed true. Perhaps commish/co-commish can verify this?
On Wednesday evening, I communicated with IAC and expressed my displeasure with the manner in which "waivers" had been processed. His comments above echo mine of Wednesday. Only two managers had profited from waivers and that seemed unfair. It now seems to me that this is due in part to a lack of knowledge concerning the "waiver" process. The fault for this may lie at the feet of those managers that did not correctly understand the system (As one of those managers, I accept full responsibility.)
However, in accepting responsibility, I must add the following caveat. While I had considered making other switches (I still am considering one), I was happy with the lone transaction that I made. Therefore, re-processing the waiver does not affect me at all.
However, in the interests of fairness, it may be best to process the waivers again. It may very well be that I lose Eric Johnson; that said, if that is the price to pay for fairness for all, then I'm good with that.
However, what happens with all of the all moves that have been made by other managers since the opening of the "free agent" period following "waivers"? Would they be reset as well?
All of which is just my $0.02.
Trusting that all is good in the world,
Letter_J
32
dgrooves
ID: 513181020 Sun, Sep 19, 2004, 15:31
Anyone else seeing problems with the live scoring? David Carr's stats are listed as 228 yards passing, 1 INT, 2 TDs, and 15 yards rushing. That should be 9.12 - 2 + 8 + 1.5 for 16.62 points. The live scoring window only credits Carr with 8.62 points. I know this isnt offical scoring or anything, but I just wanted to see if anyone sees problems.
33
Trip Donor
ID: 13961611 Sun, Sep 19, 2004, 16:35
Portis is screwed up too. I wouldn't worry about it unless it is still screwed up tomorrow afternoon.
34
dgrooves
ID: 513181020 Sun, Sep 19, 2004, 20:59
"Due to regular maintenance, the system is currently unavailable for use. We apologize for any inconvenience. Please check back in a few minutes."
Is this a joke? Ive received this message 10+ times today; what kind of FF site performs maintenance on Sunday? Even TSN wouldnt do that.
Scoring errors, scoring difficulties, "maintenance", and the waiver wire fiasco have me leery of using Fanball again.
35
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Mon, Sep 20, 2004, 00:41
Since this league has an identical setup to the RIFC, I thought would be interesting to track the total number of points scored by all RIFC teams vs. RQFL #2 and the standard deviation of the teams during the season. This should give a decent measure of league difficulty and a rough estimate of league parity. I plan to post this after each week of the season.
Week 1:
RIFC 2997 points Standard deviation: 44.6 points
RQFL #2 2994 points Standard deviation: 40.1 points
That's about a 0.1% difference in points scored and we appear to be more bunched up so far. Nice job league-mates! It will be interesting to see if this holds during the season or not.
36
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Sep 21, 2004, 09:34
Week 2 Scoring Adjustments
Team
Kick Ret
Punt Ret
Total
No FatPicks
59
21
4.46
Peter N
0
32
3.2
Valkyrie 13
72
0
2.88
Devastation Inc
0
4
0.4
Vicious Goats (G2)
0
30
3
Cowboys Homer
0
6
0.6
37
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Sep 21, 2004, 09:55
Week 2 adjustments have been entered. It will take about an hour for the changes to be reflected in the standings. It did not change the outcome of any of the games. Please verify that your scores are correct on Fanball. It appears that all scoring issues have been resolved, but it won't hurt to double check.
I have changed the time when claims are processed to 5 PM ET.
To submit a waiver claim: 1. Go to "Claims" in the transaction box on the left of the screen 2. Go to "Create/Edit Your Claiming System Requests" 3. Click on "Go to Claim list A" in the drop down box 4. Pick the player you want to add/drop 5. If you wish to more than one claim for the week, you will then need to click on "Go to Claim list B" in the drop down box
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The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Tue, Sep 21, 2004, 21:45
Week 2 RIFC vs RQFL #2
RIFC: points: 5835 standard deviation: 57.34
RQFL #2: 5804 standard deviation: 70.73
Still within 1% of total points, but we now have a wider spread between the teams.
39
Trip Donor
ID: 13961611 Wed, Sep 22, 2004, 18:57
Well, I thought I changed the time to 5 PM. Looks like I forgot to hit the submit button. The 5 PM deadline will be in effect next week.
40
Trip Donor
ID: 13961611 Sun, Sep 26, 2004, 18:05
Wildcats:
Set your lineup...it's not that hard.
41
dgrooves
ID: 513181020 Mon, Sep 27, 2004, 19:00
Hypothetical question:
What happens if you dont have a complete starting roster? In other words, what happens if you dont start a DL, TE, etc.?
42
Trip Donor
ID: 13961611 Mon, Sep 27, 2004, 19:39
If you don't want to drop a player in order to fill in for a player on bye, you can simply leave the player who is on bye active on your roster to maintain a valid lineup. If you don't maintain a valid lineup, you won't receive any points for the week.
43
dgrooves
ID: 513181020 Mon, Sep 27, 2004, 21:40
The second answer is what I was looking for, although Im not sure I understand the reasoning behind it. Why should a team get 0 points for the week if they dont submit a complete starting lineup?
44
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Sep 28, 2004, 10:48
Week 3 Scoring Adjustments
Team
Kick Ret
Punt Ret
Total
No FatPicks
182
12
8.48
Short Bus Stalwarts
0
21
2.1
45
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Sep 28, 2004, 13:23
Overall
PF
PA
Game
Team
W
L
T
Pct
Tot
Avg
Tot
Strk
LP
Slowhand
5
1
0
0.83
824.34
137.4
617.28
W5
335.8
Sunday Trippers
5
1
0
0.83
762.28
127.1
619.42
W5
300.1
Wildcats52
5
1
0
0.83
730.04
121.7
590.38
W1
212.1
BoNkA Bombers
5
1
0
0.83
721.2
120.2
569.72
W2
255.6
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters
4
2
0
0.67
624.76
104.1
612.12
W1
188.4
Vicious Goats
3
3
0
0.5
664.5
110.8
627.8
W2
260.2
Bandos
3
3
0
0.5
643.4
107.2
643.82
L2
180.2
Public Display of Affliction
3
3
0
0.5
624.08
104
663.52
L1
223.7
No Fat Picks
3
3
0
0.5
619.02
103.2
612.48
L1
181.4
Short Bus Stalwarts
2
4
0
0.33
639.08
106.5
652.38
L2
175.9
CowboysHomer
2
4
0
0.33
585.46
97.58
699.88
W1
231.3
The fighting Joe Carsons
1
5
0
0.17
487.48
81.25
707.42
L1
224.6
Peter N.
1
5
0
0.17
477.9
79.65
591.24
L4
151.8
Valkyrie 13
0
6
0
0
498.34
83.06
694.42
L6
175.7
Total
42
42
0
0.5
8901.9
106
8901.9
Standard Deviation
0.28
102.85
46
Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Sep 28, 2004, 13:33
dgrooves[43] - a plausible answer is that a team could opt to go without a specific position (TE, for instance) in order to bulk up on other bench players. The requirement that each slot be filled would prevent this.
I'm not suggesting that this shouldn't be a viable strategy, but it is a plausible reason that an invalid roster would produce zero points.
47
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Sep 28, 2004, 14:17
The problem with Fanball's configuration as it relates to our league is because if I did not have the minimum number of starters set to 1 for the DL and TE positions is that if a team did not start a DL or a TE, they could then start an extra DB or LB.
Unfortunately Fanball's set up forces this to become an unviable strategy. However, I don't think that it is an unreasonable requirement that a team mantain these minimum roster requirements.
48
Letter_J
ID: 50821276 Tue, Sep 28, 2004, 15:20
0-2 this weekend...now 2-4...a rough weekend for the Stalwarts!
As a result, I will seriously consider any and all offers for:
Chad Pennington, QB, NYJ Trent Green, QB, KC Jake Plummer, QB, Den
IM address is "Ornery Barrister" or e-mail at james_j_matheson@yahoo.com
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dgrooves
ID: 513181020 Tue, Sep 28, 2004, 18:35
I guess that does make sense. The reason I asked was that, in one game, I had a lead less than 4 points going into Monday night. I had Washington's D left to play and all of my opponent's players had already played. It was possible for Washington's D to give up 35+ points, resulting in -4 fantasy points, and a loss for me. If I didnt start a team D, I would have won regardless [unless there was some sort of scoring correction].
50
dgrooves
ID: 513181020 Tue, Sep 28, 2004, 18:38
Letter_J, what would you be looking for in return?
51
Letter_J
ID: 50821276 Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 11:43
dgrooves,
could you IM?...much easier to discuss that way.
52
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 17:31
Week 3 RIFC vs RQFL #2
RIFC points: 8839 standard deviation: 78.75
RQFL #2 points: 8901 standard deviation: 99.11
RQFL #2 is now almost 1% ahead of the RIFC in total points, with a wider average spread among the teams. Nice job folks!
53
dgrooves
ID: 548342817 Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 18:52
Letter_J, if you want to talk, my screen name is dgrea15, but I was only looking for generalities. I was just curious if youre looking for WR, or RB, or IDPs, etc.
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The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Tue, Oct 05, 2004, 06:58
Randy frickin' Hymes...
Randy FRICKIN' Hymes...
*sob*
55
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Oct 05, 2004, 09:37
Week 4 Scoring Adjustments
Team
Kick Ret
Punt Ret
Total
The Fighting Joe Carsons
20
0
0.8
No Fat Picks
44
26
4.36
Public Display of Affliction
25
28
3.8
Vicious Goats (G1)
19
0
0.76
56
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Oct 05, 2004, 09:38
Overall
PF
PA
Game
Team
W
L
T
Pct
Tot
Avg
Tot
Strk
LP
BoNkA Bombers
7
1
0
0.88
978
122.3
723.2
W4
256.8
Wildcats52
7
1
0
0.88
939
117.4
750.4
W3
209
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters
6
2
0
0.75
851.4
106.4
811.3
W3
226.6
Slowhand
5
3
0
0.63
975.1
121.9
867
L2
150.8
Sunday Trippers
5
3
0
0.63
900
112.5
801.4
L2
137.8
Bandos
5
3
0
0.63
886
110.8
797.3
W2
242.6
Public Display of Affliction
5
3
0
0.63
853
106.6
834.7
W2
228.9
No Fat Picks
4
4
0
0.5
829.9
103.7
812.5
W1
210.9
Vicious Goats
3
5
0
0.38
802.7
100.3
805.2
L2
138.2
CowboysHomer
3
5
0
0.38
766.9
95.87
873.1
W1
181.5
Short Bus Stalwarts
2
6
0
0.25
826.5
103.3
880.2
L4
187.4
The fighting Joe Carsons
2
6
0
0.25
642.5
80.31
890.4
L1
155
Valkyrie 13
1
7
0
0.13
671.7
83.97
869.4
L1
173.4
Peter N.
1
7
0
0.13
634.1
79.27
840.9
L6
156.2
57
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 00:25
RIFC vs RQFL #2 - through week 4
RIFC points: 11469 standard deviation: 95.94
RQFL #2 points: 11557 standard deviation: 109.18
The gap widened slightly in points scored and narrowed in standard deviation. At the quarter-pole, it's safe to say that this league is every bit as competitive as the big boys.
58
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 22:23
I can't believe I forgot to set both rosters and had 3 byes in my lineup against Bandos. With Driver's play in the game so far, it probably wouldn't have mattered, but I hate not doing my best for stupid reasons.
59
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Oct 12, 2004, 11:13
Week 5 Scoring Adjustments
Team
Kick Ret
Punt Ret
Total
Sunday Trippers
49
0
1.96
No Fat Picks
0
39
3.9
Public Display of Affliction
51
17
3.74
Short Bus
0
7
0.7
Vicious Goats
9
0
0.36
60
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Oct 12, 2004, 11:13
W
L
T
Pct
PF
PA
Strk
BoNkA Bombers
9
1
0
0.9
1290
923.06
W6
Wildcats52
9
1
0
0.9
1148.9
934.56
W5
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters
8
2
0
0.8
1066.4
932.4
W5
Bandos
7
3
0
0.7
1117.5
1006.2
W4
Public Display of Affliction
7
3
0
0.7
1116.8
1021.5
W4
Sunday Trippers
6
4
0
0.6
1120.2
1014.2
W1
Slowhand
5
5
0
0.5
1104.9
1073.9
L4
No Fat Picks
5
5
0
0.5
1046.4
990.46
W1
Short Bus Stalwarts
3
7
0
0.3
1034.8
1079.9
L1
Vicious Goats
3
7
0
0.3
970.66
1041.3
L4
CowboysHomer
3
7
0
0.3
921.4
1136.6
L2
The fighting Joe Carsons
3
7
0
0.3
796.02
1058.8
L1
Valkyrie 13
1
9
0
0.1
877.42
1111.7
L3
Peter N.
1
9
0
0.1
747.62
1034.4
L8
61
Bandos
ID: 13762111 Tue, Oct 12, 2004, 14:35
Beez - I saw that and then I saw that you did set it for the other game. I have already caught myself once this season at the buzzer.
62
BoNkA
ID: 47836219 Tue, Oct 12, 2004, 17:06
Is there a reason I'm 13th on the waiver list this week? I don't remember picking anyone up last week.
63
BoNkA
ID: 47836219 Tue, Oct 12, 2004, 17:13
OK, I'm listed 13th on the claims list and 14th on the waiver list (seems wierd?) but my last waiver pickup according to Fanball was 9/22, which is 3 weeks ago. While I think I may have picked someone off waivers 2 weeks ago I still don't understand how I'm basically last in order?
64
Trip Donor
ID: 13961611 Tue, Oct 12, 2004, 21:37
Here are the rules for waivers/claims -
Waivers
Requests made for players on the waiver wire are awarded to the highest ranking team. Team rankings are established each Tuesday morning. Your league is set to rank teams using the following criteria:
First Criteria: Worst to First, Win % (Season) Second Criteria: Worst to First, Points Scored (Season) Third Criteria: Worst to First, Points Scored (Last Week) Fourth Criteria: Virtual Coin Toss
Teams are moved to the end of the ranking order when they are awarded a player.
Teams can add 3 player(s) per week using the waiver wire system.
Players will immediately go to the waiver wire for 48 hours after player has been dropped.
If a player's waiver processing date/time is set to occur after the player's game for the week has started, the league is set to: Place player on waivers next week Tuesday at Noon EST for as long a time as the player had remaining on the waiver wire before kickoff of his game.
65
Trip Donor
ID: 13961611 Tue, Oct 12, 2004, 21:41
I'm not a fan of the welfare system for waiver claims, but this is the system that was chosen for the RIFC.
I have to manually reset the waiver rankings to match the claim rankings. I may have made an error last week (or just plain forgotten).
As a side note, do you guys (and gal) like having the standings posted in this thread?
66
BoNkA
ID: 249281310 Wed, Oct 13, 2004, 12:30
Hmm, I thought it was a normal waiver system. That pretty much sucks for me as I have 2 RBs and I'll never be able to pick one up being last in line.
67
Letter_J
ID: 35951314 Wed, Oct 13, 2004, 16:09
Although somewhat embarassing given my performance so far, I personally have no problem with the standings being posted in this thread.
68
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Wed, Oct 13, 2004, 18:50
I have no preference on the standings.
69
dgrooves
ID: 548342817 Thu, Oct 14x, 2004, 18:32
The standings dont do anything for me because I check them on the league website, but for anyone not in the league, posting them here may be helpful.
70
BoNkA
ID: 19917168 Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 10:21
I'm getting killed by this waiver/claims system. I've tried to pick up 2-3 running backs and couldn't get any because I'm ranked so freaking low. Out of my 4 current backs, only one is a sure thing this weekend (Dunn). Dillon..who knows what's up with him, and I have 2 Miami backs, which are worthless and will split time. Just because someone is 9-1 doesn't mean they should get punished when it comes to picking anyone up. You think the NFL cares that my Dolphins are 0-5 and the Pats are 4-0? Nope.
71
dgrooves
ID: 548342817 Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 12:55
Im with you Bonka. Im getting sick of playing in leagues with the "welfare" waiver system.
I mentioned a system that is a compromise between the welfare system and a blind bidding system in post 11 of this thread.
72
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Mon, Oct 18, 2004, 00:25
Trip, is it safe to assume we will NOT be adjusting our scoring as they are apparently doing in the RIFC? I don't see a good reason to do so. I guess putting in the return points manually was a blessing in disguise! :)
73
Trip
ID: 478261310 Mon, Oct 18, 2004, 13:46
We will NOT be adjusting our scoring system mid-season.
I also do not want to change the waiver ranking system unless we have an overwhelming majority. I am debating on whether or not to send out an e-mail with a request for votes but I am leaning towards maintaining the status quo.
Bonka - I'm a dolphins fan as well and have had to force myself to watch our horrible offense lose 4 games single handedly. I put in a claim for the Bills defense this week but unfortunately Valkyrie beat me to the punch. Luckily I was able to grab them in my friends/money league. They scored 17, I chose the Lions instead as a bye week fill, and they managed -4. BTW here is my new desktop wallpaper.
74
dgrooves
ID: 548342817 Mon, Oct 18, 2004, 15:36
Post 71 was not an attempt to get the system changed mid-season. I agreee that rule changes should not be made during the season.
75
holt
ID: 497552 Mon, Oct 18, 2004, 22:46
trip - that wallpaper is awesome.
76
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 12:06
Week 6 Scoring Adjustments
Team
Kick Ret
Punt Ret
Total
No Fat Picks
60
6
3.00
Short Bus
51
16
3.64
Valkyrie
44
28
4.56
77
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 13:20
W
L
T
Pct
PF
PA
Strk
BoNkA Bombers
11
1
0
0.92
1515.2
1116.8
W8
Wildcats52
11
1
0
0.92
1466
1098.1
W7
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters
10
2
0
0.83
1262.6
1090.7
W7
Bandos
9
3
0
0.75
1349
1205.3
W6
Public Display of Affliction
9
3
0
0.75
1339
1162.4
W6
Sunday Trippers
6
6
0
0.5
1247.5
1220.1
L2
No Fat Picks
6
6
0
0.5
1236.6
1165.2
L1
Slowhand
5
7
0
0.42
1300.6
1273.7
L6
Short Bus Stalwarts
4
8
0
0.33
1238.1
1294.6
W1
CowboysHomer
4
8
0
0.33
1122.2
1344.1
W1
Vicious Goats
3
9
0
0.25
1116.2
1312.5
L6
The fighting Joe Carsons
3
9
0
0.25
919.62
1252.1
L3
Peter N.
2
10
0
0.17
937.3
1202.5
L1
Valkyrie 13
1
11
0
0.08
1072.3
1384.5
L5
78
dgrooves
ID: 548342817 Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 15:57
Fanball's live scoring is broken yet again...
79
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 17:23
Working for me. dgrooves, if it's still broken for you, take solace in that your team is doing pretty well. :)
80
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 17:53
Bleh, now it stopped updating correctly.
81
BoNkA
ID: 19917168 Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 23:53
Can't believe I'm going to lose by .08
82
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 10:19
Can't believe you started Atl D over TB D.
:)
Scoring overrides will be posted shortly.
83
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 10:22
This was not the week I expected to post my first 2-0. Strange game, this...
84
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 10:44
Week 6 Scoring Adjustments
Team
Game
Kick Return
Punt Return
Total
Previous Score
Final Score
Public Display of Affliction
1
0
2
0.20
119.58
119.78
Del Boca Vista
B
61
2
2.64
106.8
109.44
No Fat Picks
B
31
11
2.34
106.84
109.18
Short Bus
B
19
12
1.96
96.36
98.32
Wildcats
1
25
0
1.00
79.38
80.38
Wildcats
2
25
0
1.00
66.38
67.38
Vicious Goats
B
32
-1
1.18
89.9
91.08
85
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 10:58
W
L
T
Pct
PF
PA
Strk
BoNkA Bombers
11
3
0
0.79
1693.88
1317.1
L2
Wildcats52
11
3
0
0.79
1613.76
1298.3
L2
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters
11
3
0
0.79
1481.52
1295.7
W1
Public Display of Affliction
10
4
0
0.71
1574.8
1396.7
W1
Bandos
10
4
0
0.71
1530.08
1391
L1
Sunday Trippers
8
6
0
0.57
1521.78
1475.4
W2
No Fat Picks
8
6
0
0.57
1454.94
1321.4
W2
Slowhand
6
8
0
0.43
1558.38
1509.1
L1
CowboysHomer
6
8
0
0.43
1385.22
1539.6
W3
Vicious Goats
5
9
0
0.36
1298.34
1482.7
W2
The fighting Joe Carsons
5
9
0
0.36
1148.46
1437.8
W2
Short Bus Stalwarts
4
10
0
0.29
1434.72
1546.8
L2
Peter N.
2
12
0
0.14
1131.74
1451.5
L3
Valkyrie 13
1
13
0
0.07
1224.9
1589.5
L7
86
dgrooves
ID: 548342817 Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 18:04
How does waiver wire priority get resolved between teams with the same record?
First Criteria: Worst to First, Win % (Season) Second Criteria: Worst to First, Points Scored (Season)
BoNkA Bombers => 11-3, 1693.88 points scored (season) Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters => 11-3, 1481.52 points scored (season)
Yet somehow BoNkA's claim on Jesse Chapman was processed before mine.
89
Trip Donor
ID: 13961611 Thu, Oct 28, 2004, 00:30
Order
Team
Player Dropped/Added
1
CowboysHomer
Drop: RB Aaron Stecker
Add: RB Dorsey Levens
2
Sunday Trippers
Drop: LB Monty Beisel
Add: LB Julian Peterson
3
No Fat Picks
Drop: LB Akin Ayodele
Add: DL Cornelius Griffin
4
Bandos
Drop: RB Rabih Abdullah
Add: LB Antonio Pierce
5
BoNkA Bombers
Drop: RB Brock Forsey
Add: RB Jesse Chatman
6
Sunday Trippers
Drop: WR David Terrell
Add: PK Nate Kaeding(r)
91
dgrooves
ID: 548342817 Thu, Oct 28, 2004, 08:34
???
I can post the screenshot that shows I entered the claim for Chatman. BoNkA got him becuase his priority was higher than mine, which doest seem to be right.
What does "supposed to be co-commish" and "hoping you would help me you" mean? How have I failed you or the league in this situation? Why do I feel the need to get defensive after post 90?
I will post a link to the image once I get home from work. Its a pretty big image (full screen), so Id rather not put it in a post. I will have time to look for an image hosting site once I get back from work.
I decided to delete it before I even read your post. E-mail me your screenshot.
94
dgrooves
ID: 2811131711 Thu, Oct 28, 2004, 11:49
What difference does it make if you read my post or not?
You were calling me out for not acting like a co-commish and not helping you out in this situation? What did I do to warrant that criticism? I posted a simple question and then an explanation; what else should I have done?
I took the screenshot after clicking on the "Claims" link in the toolbar on the left side of the page, then clicking the "View Your Previous Claim Request" link. Obviously I didnt take a screenshot of the claim before the Wednesday deadline; I would have no reason to.
Trip, did Fanball ever offer an explanation for what happened? The link in post 96 doesnt show the ticket; apparently only the user who entered the ticket can view it.
99
BoNkA
ID: 37983111 Sun, Oct 31, 2004, 16:12
I'd like to make a request. I just tried to bench Dillon and start Travis Minor but was 15 seconds too late apparently. Just found out Dillon wasn't playing and tried to get it switched. Up to you guys if you want to give me the switch afterwards or not. I'm going to get killed this week thanks to Daunte sucking.
100
Trip
ID: 478261310 Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 10:07
dgrooves,
I have been going back and forth with them all weekend. I will let you know the resolution.
Bonka:
Sorry, but I cannot allow your switch. If it makes you feel any better I got stuck with him on my roster in a couple of leagues as well.
101
BoNkA
ID: 37983111 Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 11:43
No, it doesn't make me feel any better. I just lost 2 close games because I was a few seconds late on making a switch since the news was put out a few minutes before kickoff. It's bad enough I barely lost last week and the same will happen this week. I really am beginning to feel ripped off between being put last for waiver pickups every week and now this.
Can't we put up a vote for it?
102
Trip
ID: 478261310 Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 12:14
If you can get someone to second your motion for a vote, I don't have a problem with it. That being said, I am very much against it.
103
BoNkA
ID: 37983111 Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 12:55
Alright, that's all I ask. If there's a vote and it gets voted down, so be it. If nobody responds by later today, I will send out an email once I get back from class. Otherwise...this whole weekend has been crappy for me (some really bad beats in poker), oh well.
104
Bandos
ID: 29552911 Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 18:46
Bonka -
Same thing happened to me in another league with Moss, he was slated to play, albeit banged up, then didn't. I think thems the breaks. Sorry I can't second your motion.
105
BoNkA
ID: 37983111 Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 23:08
Yeah, I understand that. It's just the fact that I actually was here and tried to change my lineup but was a whole 15 seconds late. Doesn't look like Minor would help anyways, a whole 4 yards. Thought Morris wasn't going to start as of yesterday.
106
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 13:40
Week 6 Scoring Adjustments
Team
Game
Kick Return
Punt Return
Total
Previous Score
Final Score
Del Boca Vista PMs
B
42
18
3.48
69.34
72.82
No Fat Picks
B
122
42
9.08
103.74
112.82
Peter N
B
0
23
2.30
118.34
120.64
PDA
1
0
6
0.60
121.84
122.44
PDA
2
0
6
0.60
119.38
119.98
107
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 13:41
Team
W
L
T
Pct
PF
PA
Strk
Wildcats52
12
4
0
0.75
1829
1484
W1
Public Display of Affliction
12
4
0
0.75
1817.2
1627.3
W3
Bandos
12
4
0
0.75
1789.8
1590.2
W2
BoNkA Bombers
11
5
0
0.69
1913.8
1548.6
L4
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters
11
5
0
0.69
1627.2
1533.1
L2
No Fat Picks
10
6
0
0.63
1680.6
1523.2
W4
Sunday Trippers
9
7
0
0.56
1774.5
1693.5
L1
CowboysHomer
7
9
0
0.44
1619.3
1769
L1
Vicious Goats
7
9
0
0.44
1521.3
1687.6
W4
Slowhand
6
10
0
0.38
1728.4
1756.1
L3
The fighting Joe Carsons
5
11
0
0.31
1338.4
1684.4
L2
Short Bus Stalwarts
4
12
0
0.25
1623.2
1776.6
L4
Valkyrie 13
3
13
0
0.19
1495.1
1801.5
W2
Peter N.
3
13
0
0.19
1373
1655.7
W1
108
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 13:43
I had to manually set the claim ranking for the week due to the scoring adjustments. It is correct. I will reset waiver ranking after claims for the week are processed.
109
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Thu, Nov 04, 2004, 20:32
Well, we've reached the halfway point of the season, including the playoffs. This is without a doubt the toughest league I've ever participated in. My biggest surprise is how weak my WR corp has been - even taking Smith's broken leg into account, they haven't been the force I thought I'd be getting. Fortunately my other positions have picked up a lot of the slack.
I'm glad to see that everyone is still checking their teams regularly and are active on the wire. I'm surprised that there hasn't been more trade activity with the void that is the free agent wire (for the most part). Good luck to everyone in the second half of the season.
110
Doug
ID: 171019615 Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 01:50
Just a heads up, I think Burleson's punt return yards and return TD will be enough to give me a win this week against Valkyrie.
111
Bandos
ID: 29552911 Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 08:33
Arrghh! lost by 1 to Sunday Trippers on the strength of Marcus Pollards 2 td's! Nice battle.
112
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 09:54
Week 9 Scoring Adjustments
Team
Game
Kick Return
Punt Return
Punt TD
Total
Previous Score
Final Score
No Fat Picks
B
76
42
0
7.24
79.12
86.36
Valkyrie
1
50
7
0
2.70
118.96
121.66
Valkyrie
2
50
0
0
2.00
94.86
96.86
Bonka
1
0
5
0
0.50
153.92
154.42
Bonka
2
0
5
0
0.50
133.92
134.42
Public Display
B
50
118
1
19.80
82.58
102.38
113
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 09:55
W
L
T
Pct
PF
PA
Strk
BoNkA Bombers
13
5
0
0.72
2202.6
1773.7
W2
Bandos
13
5
0
0.72
2033.1
1799.3
W1
Public Display of Affliction
13
5
0
0.72
2022
1878.6
W1
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters
13
5
0
0.72
1877.8
1711.4
W2
Wildcats52
12
6
0
0.67
2006.8
1705.9
L2
Sunday Trippers
10
8
0
0.56
2020
1949.6
L1
No Fat Picks
10
8
0
0.56
1853.3
1760.1
L2
Slowhand
7
11
0
0.39
1913.8
1932.1
W1
CowboysHomer
7
11
0
0.39
1792.1
2015.9
L3
Vicious Goats
7
11
0
0.39
1660.3
1906.8
L2
The fighting Joe Carsons
7
11
0
0.39
1546.5
1840.7
W2
Short Bus Stalwarts
6
12
0
0.33
1853.6
1932.5
W2
Valkyrie 13
4
14
0
0.22
1713.7
1990.3
L1
Peter N.
4
14
0
0.22
1549.8
1848.5
L1
114
dgrooves
ID: 18911319 Sat, Nov 13, 2004, 08:49
Trip, Im still curious to hear Fanball's explanation of the waiver order mistake. Thanks.
117
Trip Sustainer
ID: 13961611 Sun, Nov 14, 2004, 02:42
Greybear: If you think that I have been abusing the system I will happily refund your (and anyone else's) league fees. I am impressed that someone is actually starting to check the settings themselves. However, I never said there would be a limit on the number of players a team would be able to claim off of waivers and this was never explicitly stated in the actual league rules. I have put in claims for more than three players at least twice. I did not expect to get more than three players bud did not feel that it was a major issue after I was rewarded more than that number. It would have been "fastest finger" after the claims period had passed anyways. I would like for this to come out sounding more agrreable but it is now after 2 And don't feel like this is a major issue.
dgrooves...Fanball's claim rankings have been off b/c of the scoring changes due to return yardage scoring.
118
dgrooves
ID: 18911319 Sun, Nov 14, 2004, 08:53
BoNkA didnt have 212.36 points scored via return yards by Week 6. That cant be the real explanation.
Something just isnt adding up.
120
dgrooves
ID: 18911319 Sun, Nov 14, 2004, 13:23
Whoa, whoa; lets calm down here. When Guru was setting up the Invitational league, I cannot recall any discussion of limits on the number of waiver wire pickups per week. I believe this limit must have been some kind of default Fanball rule that Trip (and I) never overrode.
I believe this is the thread that finalized the rules. We are patterned after the Invitational league, so I dont think a limit was ever supposed to be in our rules.
121
Letter_J
ID: 47324128 Sun, Nov 14, 2004, 13:31
No, no, dgrooves
It's in the league rules on the left hand side of fanball's page; same with the scoring allotments. Everything else seems to reflect the RIFC.
Grey simply posted a quote from the actual rules and then received an unwelcomed backhand.
122
dgrooves
ID: 18911319 Sun, Nov 14, 2004, 13:43
My take on this is that, for some reason, Fanball's default waiver wire settings say there is a limit on the number of waiver wire moves per week. However, no such rule is supposed to exist, as it was never discussed during the setup of the Invitional league or our league.
123
Trip Sustainer
ID: 13961611 Sun, Nov 14, 2004, 17:55
I never said anyone should drop out, I stated that I would refund their league fees.
Upon review of the transactions, there have been three weeks where a team has been rewarded more than 3 players: Week 6 - Peter N, Week 7 - Dgrooves, and Week 9 - Myself.
I do not feel that I or any of the other managers were abusing the rules. I will gladly step down as commissioner if you would like to do the work yourself.
As far as the unwelcomed backhand, I apologize, and am doing my best to be polite. I could have drafted this post in about half of the time were I not. I am curious as to whether or not Greybear has actually used the claim system yet this year, as I did note that she hasn't received a player via waivers despite being relatively low in the standings all year long.
124
holt
ID: 497552 Sun, Nov 14, 2004, 22:28
wow - who cares if someone picks up more than 3 players on waivers? obviously no one else wanted the players he picked up anyway.
in a 14 team league there are hardly any FA's of value anyway. he probably could have picked up 2 or 3 of them as FA's without even using the waiver process.
stupid rule that shouldn't even exist. asking someone to forfeit their season because of something this frivolous is shameless rules-lawyering and bad sportsmanship.
125
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Nov 16, 2004, 09:56
Week 10 Scoring Adjustments
Team
Game
Kick Return
Punt Return
Punt TD
Total
Previous Score
Final Score
Del Boca Vista
B
101
45
0
8.54
71.3
79.84
Short Bus
B
0
9
0
0.90
114.34
115.24
No Fat Picks
B
164
43
0
10.86
119.46
130.32
Valkyrie
1
0
13
0
1.30
96.42
97.72
126
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Nov 16, 2004, 10:01
Standings through NFL Week #10
W
L
T
Pct
PF
PA
Strk
BoNkA Bombers
15
5
0
0.8
2469.6
1929
W4
Public Display of Affliction
15
5
0
0.8
2292.7
2089.1
W3
Bandos
15
5
0
0.8
2250.7
1966
W3
Wildcats52
13
7
0
0.7
2286.5
1969
W1
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters
13
7
0
0.7
2037.4
1957
L2
Sunday Trippers
12
8
0
0.6
2288
2183.3
W2
No Fat Picks
12
8
0
0.6
2113.9
1937.6
W2
Vicious Goats
9
11
0
0.5
1919.3
2093.1
W2
Short Bus Stalwarts
7
13
0
0.4
2084
2149.2
L1
Slowhand
7
13
0
0.4
2080.5
2174.4
L2
CowboysHomer
7
13
0
0.4
2011.9
2284.8
L5
The fighting Joe Carsons
7
13
0
0.4
1735.1
2098.4
L2
Valkyrie 13
4
16
0
0.2
1896.9
2250.1
L3
Peter N.
4
16
0
0.2
1705.1
2090.8
L3
127
dgrooves
ID: 18911319 Thu, Nov 18, 2004, 19:14
Trip, post 114 please.
128
Trip
ID: 478261310 Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 15:56
Adding RSS Feed. Just a bump.
129
dgrooves
ID: 18911319 Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 18:51
Why am I being ignored? I want to hear the real explanation why the waiver wire order was wrong a few weeks ago.
First of all, I think I deserve an explanation. Second of all, without having any idea why the incident happened, I see no reason to believe it wont happen again, or hasnt happened before or since then.
This could be a serious problem and Trip, your lack of response/interest in this matter is worrisome.
130
Trip Sustainer
ID: 13961611 Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 19:18
Dude, you are a commish too. I gave you my response. The claim order is off because of the scoring changes as it has changed the results of two games. You can enter your own ticket if you don't like my response. If you would like me to walk you through it, I will happily. You can reference ticket #75916.
131
dgrooves
ID: 18911319 Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 19:42
That explanation is BS, as I showed in post 118. No one else can view the ticket, so I would appreciate it if you would post their response. Not your interpretation of their response, but the actual text.
And stop with this "youre a commish too" stuff. When the league was formed, I didnt know a thing about Fanball, so I stepped down as commish. You asked me to help out in situations when you couldnt. I also thought it would be best if, in this situation, I acted as an owner, not a commish. That way any hint of a bias in the resolution of the situation would be removed.
If Fanball expects us to buy this BS excuse I highly doubt I will ever use their services again.
There is simply no way the claim order was off because of scoring changes. This happened after Week 7 was over and neither BoNkA nor I had the outcome of any of our games altered by scoring changes. BoNkA and I had identical records at that point in the season, meaning that the first tiebreaker (total points) should have been used. Through Week 7 BoNkA had exactly 0 points added/subtracted from his point total for the season. Therefore, scoring changes had absolutely no effect on my ranking relative to BoNkA.
Dude.
132
BoNkA
ID: 1110382123 Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 00:38
Jeesh, I come to read the forums to see what's been going on and I'm lost in arguments that my team is involved in (even though I'm not sure exactly how and why). Oh well..I'll go back to not checking this for another week or two. Got a lot of work to do to get my lead back after this week. Stinking Bandos...
133
Bandos
ID: 29552911 Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 06:56
Hey, I showered just yesterday.....
134
leggestand Leader
ID: 451036518 Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 11:06
I am not in this league, but we had a similar question in our fanball league. I was tied with someone last week, but had less points, and he was ranked ahead of me in the claims order.
The issue was Fanball uses head to head as the first tiebreaker. I was 1-0 against him, so, I am ranked better, even though I have less points.
It looks like you guys had 3 teams tied after week 7, so, I don't even know if head to head would even be a factor.
135
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Nov 23, 2004, 09:39
In a meeting all day, I will be late with the scoring adjustments.
The table in post 136 should update automatically for the remainder of the year.
139
dgrooves
ID: 18911319 Wed, Nov 24, 2004, 23:20
123 hours without a response to post 131...
How many claims were erroneously awarded this week? How many other times has a team not won a claim it should have? How many more times will it happen before someone else cares? Trip, why is it so difficult to get answers and/or responses from you?
140
TB
ID: 4610412220 Thu, Nov 25, 2004, 01:07
Through Week 11:
RIFC 32363.94 points Standard deviation: 52.88 points
RQFL #2 32037.46 points Standard deviation: 57.49 points
I screwed around and computed the standard deviation in different combos by subtracting the scores from the highest and lowest scoring teams as well.
Minus the lowest scoring team: RQFL #2 61.45 RIFC 35.45 Minus the two lowest scoring teams: RQFL #2 54.83 RIFC 37.99 Minus the highest and lowest scoring teams: RQFL #2 54.73 RIFC 32.86 Minus the one highest and two lowest scoring teams: RQFL #2 46.89 RIFC 35.39 Minus the two highest and two lowest scoring teams: RQFL #2 50.15 RIFC 37.38
I don't think there is anything conclusive you can determine from that data, other than perhaps a little more parity in the RIFC.
141
The Beezer
ID: 510292517 Thu, Nov 25, 2004, 18:45
Well, this week my claim was the last to be processed. Of course, it was also the first to be processed since it was the only one. So I guess this week's answer is "zero".
Not that anyone asked or cares, but I don't think Trip did anything wrong. I would have preferred that he communicated more when he faced that situation, as it causes headaches for any commish when there's even a slight whiff of impropriety.
I suppose that Trip's #130 will likely be his last response to the questions raised about waiver/claim processing, as it seems to be satisfied in his mind, correct or not.
I continue to find this league the most challenging I've ever played in and look forward to seeing how the race to the playoffs shakes out. Best of luck to all coaches.
142
dgrooves
ID: 18911319 Fri, Nov 26, 2004, 12:56
Am I wrong in saying Fanball's explanation is BS? Has anything been done to correct the problem since the issue first arose a month ago?
I for one am not satisfied as I do not believe the answer given. Also, we have not been told what has been done to correct the problem, even if I am wrong about the cause of that problem.
143
Trip
ID: 478261310 Mon, Nov 29, 2004, 12:02
Please note Guru's post 102 in this thread. Below are the lists of players affected. Please review your rosters and advise if I need to make adjustments for previous weeks.
145
Trip
ID: 478261310 Mon, Nov 29, 2004, 12:05
Week
Team
IDP
1
Det
S. Rogers
4
NO
S. Gleason
5
GB
N. Diggs
7
AZ
G. Hayes
9
Oak
N. Asomugha
9
Was
T. Jacobs
9
Hou
A. Peek
10
AZ
R. McKinnon
10
Chi
M. Colombo
11
Oak
L. Walker
11
Cle
O. Roye
12
Ten
M. Waddell
12
Det
S. Rogers
12
Oak
L. Walker
12
Atl
E. Jasper
12
Phi
J. Kearse
12
Den
M.Pope
12
TB
D. White
12
Car
J. Peppers
146
dgrooves
ID: 18911319 Mon, Nov 29, 2004, 20:07
Trip, what is accomplished by ignoring me and ignoring this problem?
147
Trip Sustainer
ID: 13961611 Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 08:42
OK...Claim Ranking is now off. I could just adjust it, like I have been doing, but instead I think I will spend my day going back and forth with customer service people. I am not going to update scores until I have an answer which satisfies Dgrooves.
148
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 11:07
The problem is occuring because I had the second criteria set to "First to Worst, Points for season" instead of "Worst to First, points for season". I had to set the claim order manually for the week, but it should be correct for the remainder of the season. It was my error and I apologize.
I am in a meeting for the remainder of the day. I will post scoring adjustments this evening. The table in post 136 did not automatically update.
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Fri, Dec 03, 2004, 00:01
With the discussion in the RIFC regarding roster freezes, do we want to adopt their proposals that they have voted on to accept, vote on our own rules, or not make any rules regarding playoff rosters? Here's the rules the RIFC has adopted:
Proposal 1 Teams not active the championship playoffs are locked from any future add/drop transactions.
Rationale: This ensures that teams no longer in contention for the championship cannot have any further impact on the championship (via added or dropped players)
Proposal 2 Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) are frozen for the playoffs. Team defenses are also frozen, since they are not subject to injury uncertainty. Other positions are eligible for injury-replacement add/drop/claim transactions only.
Specifically, players in the other slots (TE, PK, IDP) may only be replaced if they are designated as questionable or worse on the NFL injury report. This allowance does not apply to any player who was designated questionable or worse for the week 14 game.
Rationale: I think we all have some backups available for QB, RB, and WR. But we don't have sufficient slots to protect against injury in all of the other slots. This would allow us to replace those injured players, while protecting against a "Blaylock" type of situation.
---------------------------------
I personally am in favor of both proposals. Thoughts?
152
Trip Sustainer
ID: 13961611 Fri, Dec 03, 2004, 01:08
My plan was to adopt any rulings that the RIFC decides upon. I will say that I am in favor of both proposals and it looks like they will both pass in the RIFC. Please prepare your rosters accordingly.
153
dgrooves
ID: 18911319 Fri, Dec 03, 2004, 08:26
I am strongly against Proposal 2, and I also dont like the idea of making up rules during the season. What is the rationale for preventing me from picking up a different Team D, K, or IDP if I feel it/he will score me more points than the player currently on my roster (if I were to make the playoffs)? There is not going to be a Blaylock situation for Team Ds, Ks, or IDPs.
Its also worth noting that proposals like these only serve to expose the inadequacies (sp?) of the welfare waiver-wire system. These proposals are just treating symptoms, not curing the true problem.
154
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Fri, Dec 03, 2004, 15:18
I'm not a big fan of passing rules changes during the season at all, yet in this case I think it is needed. Is it all right if we say either (or both) will only go into affect if we have 8 votes in favor of it by the end of Monday night's game?
At the very least, I strongly urge that proposal 1 be adopted just to ensure that no team unfairly profits from the waiver rules if a non-playoff team releases a player wanted by a playoff team.
155
dgrooves
ID: 18911319 Fri, Dec 03, 2004, 18:07
Proposal #1 makes sense, but, frankly, its insulting that it even needed to be brought up. I see no reason to believe that anyone in this league would dump their roster into the waiver pool after the playoffs start. And even if someone did do such a thing, it would be so obvious that we all would have agreed to replace the player(s).
The first part of Proposal #2 has some merit, but I see no reason to impose part two. There is no legitimate reason to stop anyone from picking up free agents Ds, Ks, and IDPs during the playoffs, especially considering it is NOT in the rules we all agreed on before the season started. Trying to force this through only days before it would go into effect is a joke as well.
Rules should never be changed during the season. Never.
156
Trip
ID: 478261310 Fri, Dec 03, 2004, 18:28
Thinking about this, I am in agreement with dgrooves regarding proposal 2. But I see no reason to allow teams not in the championship tourney to make roster moves.
In summary, the league will adopt proposal 1 and choose not to adopt proposal 2. Teams not making the playoffs will not be able to drop add players.
Sorry, but we do not have the time to put this to a vote and allow teams to make adjustments to their rosters as a result of that vote. I would like to hear input from others on this. I will not have access to my home computer until tomorrow morning and will send out an e-mail to this effect then. I don't think that either of these are grand issues.
157
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Fri, Dec 03, 2004, 19:08
I'm fine with that. To be clear, I don't think that any owner in the league would dump their roster.
158
Bandos
ID: 29552911 Fri, Dec 03, 2004, 21:36
Trip - you have made the correct decision and I support it. (BTW: my name is Trip - seems strange every time I see you make a post)
Proposal 2 is just plain weird - isnt it supposed to be a contest of GMing - so why would you stop me from GMing during the most important part of the season?
159
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 09:41
Week 12 Scoring Adjustments
Team
Game
Kick Return
KR TD
Punt Return
Punt TD
Blk Kick
Total
Previous Score
Final Score
Vicious Goats
B
0
0
8
0
0
0.80
97.48
98.28
PDA
B
20
0
0
0
0
0.80
113.18
113.98
No Fat Picks
B
136
0
64
0
0
11.84
109.74
121.58
Valkyrie
1
0
0
12
0
0
1.20
151.16
152.36
Peter N
B
0
0
33
0
0
3.30
89.58
92.88
160
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 09:42
W
L
T
Pct
PF
PA
Strk
Playoff Seed
Bandos
19
7
0
0.73
2978.84
2702
L2
1
BoNkA Bombers
18
8
0
0.69
3137.4
2617
L1
2
Wildcats52
17
9
0
0.65
3073.88
2611
W2
3
No Fat Picks
17
9
0
0.65
2897.34
2526
L1
4
Public Display of Affliction
17
9
0
0.65
2855.92
2764
W2
5
Sunday Trippers
16
10
0
0.62
3009.22
2853
W2
6
Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters
16
10
0
0.62
2608.4
2604
L2
CowboysHomer
11
15
0
0.42
2770.86
2927
W2
7
Vicious Goats
11
15
0
0.42
2483.82
2792
W1
Short Bus Stalwarts
10
16
0
0.39
2773.36
2816
L2
8
Slowhand
9
17
0
0.35
2646.42
2791
L4
The fighting Joe Carsons
9
17
0
0.35
2389.72
2855
W1
Valkyrie 13
8
18
0
0.31
2610.84
2834
W4
Peter N.
4
22
0
0.15
2282
2825
L9
161
Bandos
ID: 29552911 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 09:50
Wow - Bonka - you made it real close. I feel lucky to have eeked out first place, especially being in 4th place in overall points.
Got Vicks awful game out of the way but I have a QB controversy - never good invariably I will pick the wrong one.
Good luck in the offs. I have truly enjoyed my first season in roto football with two first place finishes in the regular season in two RQFL's. It's good to get a bit lucky....
162
leggestand Leader
ID: 451036518 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 10:03
Not in the league, and just popping my head in for a quick comment. No one has really stuck up for proposal 2, and I just wanted to illustrate some of the value of proposal 2:
1. QB/RB/WR/D are all frozen and can't be added/dropped...so no picking up the Nick Goings of the week 2. TE/DL/IDP/K can be added/dropped only if they are questionable or worse, so, you can't just play matchups each week...your player must almost be certain of sitting out.
We wanted this rule in the RIFC due to our high number of starting positions. Unlike "normal" leagues, we have 8 different starting roster positions (QB, RB, WR, TE, K, D, IDP, DL) and only 8 bench slots. Therefore, if you have two back up RB's, which most people do, you have to sacrifice having a backup at another position (which usually ends up being DL/TE//K/IDP). It would stink to have your TE get injured in the playoffs and not have the ability to replace him, especially with how close some of these games are.
Just my .02, and I don't have any say in this league, but I just wanted to show you why we adopted the proposal in RIFC.
163
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 10:05
Playoff notes: Wildcats, No Fat Picks, and PDA all split their head to head matchups and reverted to points for their playoff seedings.
I split my head to head matchup with the Puppet Masters and reverted to points and reverted to points for the 6th playoff seeding.
The top two scoring teams, Cowboys Homer and Short Bus Stalwarts, make up the 7th and 8th seeds. Note that they are seeded by record and not points as per the RIFC.
Congratulations to everyone on a very competitive regular season. However, unless I have several people request it, I would prefer not to have to manage a "toilet bowl" as well.
164
BoNkA
ID: 571143711 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 12:44
Darn, 1 stinking game...oh well. Hopefully Plaxico comes back soon, I need his points.
165
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 19:37
Correction to seeding:
No Fat Picks went undefeated against Wildcats and PDA and therefore earned the #3 seed. Based upon points, Wildcats is the #4 seed.
Thanks for pointing out my error Beezer, I'm sorry I'm gonna have to whoop your butt because of it.
166
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 21:19
I have no doubt that it's going to cost me - isn't that always the way? :)
167
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Thu, Dec 09, 2004, 23:54
I just noticed that there is a pick 'em game at Fanball for this week's playoff games. That's kinda neat.
168
Bandos
ID: 29552911 Mon, Dec 13, 2004, 00:48
Well 29 points and Green and Mason separate the Bandos from 1st round defeat. How does ATL score 35 and Vick score 8???
Here's to a low scoring Monday night affair (yeah right!)
169
BoNkA
ID: 12113140 Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 01:03
Man, basically the best team throughout the regular season and I have to play the guy who has Drew "nobody covers me" Bennett. Awesome.
170
The Beezer Leader
ID: 191202817 Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 06:55
Well, at least everyone else beat me too so I don't feel so bad. I can finally stop throwing things at the TV every time Peyton throws a 3 yard TD to pad his stats.
171
Bandos
ID: 29552911 Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 08:40
Bonka, in #1 the best record (me) and most points in any rifc or rqfc, youngroman, both lost in the first round. I lost by 3 points. I think I pulled it out this wek unless short bus has some hidden return points.
172
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 09:16
I am not going to be able to update return yardage until this evening. I don't think it will have any effect on outcomes.
Sorry Bandos. If it's any consolation, I would wager that you are a lock for the RIFC next year anyway. I will post this in the RIFC thread later along with my other thoughts, but I believe that there are too many teams in the playoffs. The regular season makes up 91% of the games and then we let 57% of the teams in the playoffs. I believe that only the top 6 teams should make the playoffs with the top 2 teams receiving byes in the first week. Gotta run, Trip
173
BoNkA
ID: 51171412 Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 13:07
Actually that does sound like a good setup and makes sense mathematically. Just wish it was being used this year.
174
I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 2610182010 Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 22:57
Just an FYI Trip... Bandos joined this league as his secondary league in able to help you guys fill out your group of managers. He & Slowhand, both don't have eligibility to the RIFC from this league.
175
Trip Sustainer
ID: 13961611 Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 23:07
IAC: I realize that, but it sure doesn't hurt his case.
I reviewed the scores for the week and scoring adjustments would have no effect on the outcome of the week's games. Unless someone objects, I'm not going to bother. Worked from 7-7 today and tomorrow isn't gonna be much better.
176
Bandos
ID: 29552911 Sat, Dec 18, 2004, 16:30
Barber and Bettis scored 37 points. I benched them both. I think I just threw up in my mouth.
177
Bandos
ID: 29552911 Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 08:05
Well, the 5 points i lost for switching barber and Pittman at the last moment may well come back to haunt me. Me, NE pats D vs K. Faulk and .6 points.
I still like my chances but if Faulk scores a td...
178
Bandos
ID: 29552911 Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 23:50
congrats to PDA - a great game. Faulk came up big for you.
179
Trip
ID: 478261310 Tue, Dec 21, 2004, 11:07
Congrats to Bags and Doug. Thanks to everyone for making this a very competitive league. Return yardage would have no effect on the outcomes. Good luck next week.
I got knocked out in my 3 main leagues this week. Aaarrggh! I was done in by the Raiders and Titans in all of them. Bags beat me with Bennett and Porter. My wife beat me with Bennett and Collins. My dad beat me with Bennett and Volek.
At least the Dolphins finally looked like a real team.
180
Doug
ID: 171019615 Sun, Dec 26, 2004, 19:39
Thanks for the gratz Bandos, was definitely a nail biter last week. This week should come down to the wire as well... I think I have about a 15 point lead once you factor in the points for Shaud Williams (for some reason he is listed as with 0 points on the scoreboard right now)... but Bags still has Jayson Taylor and David Akers to go... down to the wire...
181
Trip Sustainer
ID: 13961611 Tue, Dec 28, 2004, 08:33