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Subject: Survivor Week 4
Posted by: Superclydes
- [63402814] Tue, Sep 28, 2004, 16:59
Let the 4th week of bashing each other start!!!! |
| 1 | RBP
ID: 16124215
Tue, Sep 28, 2004, 17:43
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Did somebody say genius?
Didn't Theisman have a quote on Sunday Night Football where he said something like, "Yeah he's definately no genius, a genius is a guy like Norman Einstein". Who can find me that quote on Google, I have to leave now or I'd do it myself.
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| 2 | Shak Resident Genius
ID: 277541221
Tue, Sep 28, 2004, 19:08
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"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
-- Joe Theisman, [Broadway] NFL football quarterback and sports analyst
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| 3 | Shak, Theorist
ID: 277541221
Tue, Sep 28, 2004, 19:13
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When a team is down by 15 points in the 4th quarter, why is it that they always go for one after scoring a touchdown and put off going for two until they score again? Why not go for two after the first touchdown? Wouldn't you want to know sooner rather than later whether you're going to have to score three times instead of two? I never understood that strategy, which has become the accepted practice.
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| 4 | RBP
ID: 39228222
Tue, Sep 28, 2004, 22:29
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I have one better!
Team is down by 10, minute to go or less. Why do I constantly see teams waste precious time trying to get the TD first instead of the FG? As soon as you get into "reasonable" FG range you kick the 3 pointer, go for the on side kick and worst case throw a Hail Mary or have time left to use TO's and force a punt. You can score a TD from ANYWHERE on the field but can only get a FG from 55 yards and in. I see situations on a REGULAR basis where if coaches managed the game better at the end they would gain a better statictical chance at tying the game up and forcing overtime. Why am I the only one who sees it? Anybody agree with my thinking or am I crazy???
Second thing then I'm done ranting. End of the game, no time outs left. WR catches the ball on the side line and as he's getting tackled he stretches out for the side line to stop the clock to no avail, time runs out, team on O loses. Saw it last year in a 49er game. WHY NOT CATCH IT ON THE SIDELINE AND LATERAL it out of bounds? Heck you could catch it out in space if teh Defense is in a prevent and wing it out of bounds and stop the clock! Once again I know of numerous situations where teams had no TO's and could have used this strategy and saved time and given themselves a better chance to win the game. Agree or do you see problems with my theory.
Last one and I have actually used this in a flag football game. We are losing 13-12, no T.O.'s left and they have the ball. Their is less than 1:00 minute left and all they have to do to win is take 2 knees. I tell my defense to let them score if they try to advance the ball, sure enough (HHH the QB in question was Judge from Comm) the QB takes off and we just let him go the length of the field for a TD. He actually dances into the endzone which was a nice touch. Now were down 19-12 with the 1/2 point conversion. If they pass it in they get 1 point and if they run it in they get 2. So we blitz the entire team and they the QB throws it for an easy score. Score is now 20-12 and we march down the field with no time left and get one pass into the endzone which falls incomplete and we lose. Nice try but we at least had a shot. My team was actually MAD at me as it was happening until it started to sink in. They take a knee they win, they score then we have a chance. Sorry for the long rant.
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| 5 | RBP @ Work
ID: 39228222
Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 00:25
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Sorry about the lengthy post, I just like talking that kind of stuff. I have other ideas for softball but you probably don't want to hear them. I was just talking with my coworkers about my football ideas and they don't get it. I guess it just takes an open mind, they can't understand why you would waste your time lateralling the ball out of bounds to stop the clock and are more concerned that they would look stupid. I guess I'd rather look "stupid" and win then look good and lose. Just my 18 cents.
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| 6 | RBP @ Home
ID: 16124215
Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 02:58
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3 posts in a row by me, I guess I'm talking with myself.......
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| 7 | JHHH, NFL Analyst
ID: 2672471
Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 03:13
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You are absolutely right about the end of game scenario. I watched an NFL team this weekend in exactly the same situation. They were down by one TD and there was 3 minutes left and the other team was inside the 10 yard line with a fresh set of downs. A TD was all but inevitable or using up almost 2 minutes of clock scoring, either way they lose. Why not let them score a TD immediately and get the ball and try to score ASAP and then go for the onside kick, it give you the best opportunity to a least tie with an opportunity to win.
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| 8 | Edneck of Yorkshire
ID: 26819197
Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 10:44
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I agree with the end of the game scenario also, I think give yourself a chance at least. Can you just throw the ball out of bounds? I thought the NFL after the Casper incident said you couldn't fumble the ball on purpose in the last two minutes of the ballgame to gain an advantage? I may be wrong, but throwing it out of bounds equals the same thing? Whatever happened to the Hook and ladder, that's got to work at least one more time!!
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| 9 | Shak, What if?
ID: 327222318
Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 10:51
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I do remember a few seasons ago when a team was down by one late in the game and they did allow the other team to score a TD. So, it does happen in the NFL. Being down by a TD with 3 mins left is a different story. In that case statistics will probably show that you're better off trying to force a turnover or block the field goal, rather than scoring two touchdowns and a successful onside kick. Tough call.
I like your thoughts about chucking the ball out of bounds and going for the field goal first if there is less than a minute.
Here's one more. An NCAA team is up by 6 with a 1:45 left. They have a first down on their own 30 yard line. The D has just one time out left. If the D prevents the O from getting a first down, they'll force a punt with about 20 seconds left. What do you do -- fall on the ball and punt or try to get another first down by running the ball?
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| 10 | RBP @ Home
ID: 16124215
Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 16:47
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Ed you can't fumble it forward, if you do it is brought back to the spot where you lost it from if your team recovers it or it goes out of bounds. I'm talking a backwards legal lateral.
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| 11 | JDB
ID: 378261915
Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 19:40
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I would think that you're probably better off punting the ball, unless you're Clemson and your center snaps the ball over your head.
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| 12 | JHHH, Surv. Analyst
ID: 2672471
Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 06:06
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Who's in trouble Week 4?
JHHH - 2 fill-in RBs on Bye week, one QB with a broken neck, and two injured WRs leaves only 5 players that will likely score points.
STB - No QB this week, one WR available (one on bye, another out with injury), and an injured Suggs (listed as Questionable) leaves only 5 players to score, but no QB puts him in worse shape than JHHH.
Joefut2 - Likely zero from three RBs, and Randy Moss on Bye leaves only 5 players scoring and could spell disaster.
Teams that are safe? Everyone else IMHO; one of these three are going home.
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| 13 | Ednecks, bad feeling
ID: 26819197
Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 11:58
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I'll be close this week without Culpepper.
I do have scoring options with Westbrook,Coles,Horn and Crumpler, but they are up and down each week except for Horn.
Just a bad feeling folks....I hope Jon is right!
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| 14 | Shak, Chicken Wars
ID: 327222318
Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 12:34
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Timmy, are you out there? You aren't from Bluewell, are you?
BLUEWELL, West Virgina - A family meal erupted into a gun battle after a father and son clashed over how to cook chicken.
The two men argued Sunday over the best way to prepare skinless chicken for dinner.
"It started out as a physical confrontation, but it escalated until both of them were shooting at each other," Detective Sgt. A.D. Beasley of the Mercer County Sheriff's Department said Monday.
Beasley said each man fired a .22-caliber handgun at the other. Harley Shrader was struck by a bullet that went through the upper part of his right ear and lodged in the back of his head. He was treated at a hospital and released. The elder Shrader was not injured.
Jackie Lee Shrader, 49, was charged with malicious wounding and wanton endangerment. Harley Lee Shrader, 24, was charged with wanton endangerment.
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| 15 | JHHH, Poet
ID: 2672471
Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 12:51
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While still on the rock, a distraught Edneck without his spicy hot Culpepper wandered down to the babbling Westbrook. He was cold and afraid, so he set fire to his Coles and picked up his trusty, but slightly dented Horn. It took him back to the days when he used to play on the streets, hoping passer-bys would throw him the occasional Duckett. Ole Edneck belted out a meloncholy tune until his fingers Bledsoe much he couldn't continue. Rinsing his hands in the brook, he slipped on the rocks covered with Green Alge. Poor Edneck dislocated his Nedney and had to drag himself back up the Hilliard...all the while hoping he could stay on the rock "just one more week"!!!!!!
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| 16 | Ednecks, impressed
ID: 26819197
Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 15:39
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That was pretty impressive Jon! Your a man of many talents, didn't realise you were such a poet?
We don't call hin "Superstar" for nothing. I can see Joefut getting sick in the corner. Relax Joe it's only a matter of days before the agony is over and you can watch real FF players show you how it's done....
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| 17 | Shak, Lighter Side
ID: 327222318
Fri, Oct 01, 2004, 11:07
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FFL Cartoon
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| 18 | RBP @ Home
ID: 16124215
Sat, Oct 02, 2004, 00:46
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filebox.vt.edu:8080/c/chg...neESPN.wmv
Not sure if the link will work but I was looking at some HS recruiting videos and this kid is SICK! He is a 5-7 170 pound SOPHMORE in Fla. I think his name is Noel Devine. Make sure you watch long enough to see the run where he is spinning in traffic not once but twice on a long jaunt to the endzone. This has nothing to do with Srvivor 2004 but thought as football fans you'd like to see this kid. "They" are saying that this kid will revolutionize the QB position like Mike Vick is trying to do in the NFL. That's years down the road but remember that name NOEL DEVINE. Enjoy. Scott
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| 19 | RBP @ Home
ID: 16124215
Sat, Oct 02, 2004, 00:47
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http://filebox.vt.edu:8080/c/chgraha1/DevineESPN.wmv
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| 20 | RBP @ Home
ID: 16124215
Sat, Oct 02, 2004, 00:50
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Let me clarify, the kid is a Soph but the highlights are from his Freshman year.
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| 21 | RBP @ Home
ID: 16124215
Sat, Oct 02, 2004, 04:20
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and he's a RB, oops again.
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| 22 | Joe M
ID: 43771512
Sat, Oct 02, 2004, 11:29
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Yeah, that was clever JHHH, anyway Ed, what did I tell you about talking......well? Anyway, you are right jhhh, I might be in trouble with my rb situation, however, I have made it this far with under 100 yds total rushing from the three combined and no td's. Not having Moss is going to hurt, but we will see. I know that my players that actually play do give me points, but any giving sunday you do not know whats going to happen (RIP AJAYE). Well, except for shak who is Physic, hence his ability to match up his players against Ajaye way back in the second round of the draft.... but that’s a different story. My RB situation has verified the fact that I will not win it all, but my team is still one to pay attention to. I just need Bulger to stop subtracting points in the fourth quarter, and let my WR’s and TE continue to ride high. I see a couple teams in situations worst then mine. In other words, I am not going anywhere this week, but keep counting me out; I like to be the underdog. ARF ARF!
ED, who are the real FF players? For all the talking you do, that’s a pretty mediocre team you have there.
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| 23 | Shak, Apologist
ID: 277541221
Sat, Oct 02, 2004, 12:57
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Joe,
You can't let it go, can you? I must have seriously hurt your feelings. I hope you can find the inner peace to move on and start concentrating on you fantasy basketball draft.
Have a nice day.
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| 24 | Joe
ID: 43771512
Sat, Oct 02, 2004, 13:33
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#1. No you did not hurt my feelings Shak, your just an easy target with that long explanation of yours. If you cant find the humor in your answer.....?
#2. You got lucky last week and tried to justify it as some master scheme. The bottom line is you got lucky. Dont get me wrong, I believe that you had bye-weeks early on purpose cause the competition was weak, I really do believe you. But saying that you had Ajaye in mind when doing that is just ridiculous, and when you compare the players its stupid. If that situation between you and Ajaye replicated itself, 99% of the time AJAYE would have won and you would be out.
#3 I am in Kosovo for 15 months, I have nothing better to do with my time then to work you up.
Night night
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| 27 | Ednecks, is bad
ID: 26819197
Sat, Oct 02, 2004, 16:04
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Joe, i'm not the greatest or the worst, but I am competitive in everything I do. I've won and lost gambling some years and just playing it smart the others. I do seem to have out scored you in most weeks with that average team of mine. I drafted a decent team, some people got a break with getting the right backup RB that got injuried, thus making them a little better then the rest. I am in the top five in scoring, so I would think that was better then average of 18 teams. We only say you are in trouble, because you don't have a RB worth playing and that will determine your downfall before long. You can't keep etting by with Gonzales and Moss, law of averages say's they will suck at least 5 times out of the 18 weeks.
I'm just pulling your plonker most of the time, you dish it out and try and give it back, which I can respect and enjoy. I do wish you the worst, but that is the case with everyone.
You better leave Shak alone, those genius's have bad tempers.
Scotty that kid was only a Freshman? A lot of bad tackling, but he's got to be a stud if he develops into a bigger guy. He just seemed to breakout of every tackle attempted...he looked to have everything needed to succeed, speed, shifty, excellent vision and tough.
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| 28 | JDB, the Awed
ID: 378261915
Sat, Oct 02, 2004, 17:37
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Wow, at first I thought that I was playing with a bunch of regular guys, like me. But now I know that I am amongst FF masters! I cannot believe I've survived so long. I'm sure to be gone this week.
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| 29 | Ednecks, truthsayer
ID: 26819197
Sat, Oct 02, 2004, 18:47
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Some of the best around sonny boy!! Most of these guys are FFL legends, You hang around long enough you might learn a thing or two.
Even Montana had a bad game or two, luck does play it's part. hey JDB, you are one of those legends, stop playing with the rookies!!!
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| 30 | Shak Daddy
ID: 277541221
Sat, Oct 02, 2004, 21:31
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Joe,
I just want to correct you on a couple of minor points.
1) I am not "Physic". It would be ridiculous if I matched players with any specific owner in the 2nd round. However, since I had the first pick of the 2nd round, you simply made another Kerryism. However, with my back to back picks at the end of the 3rd and start of the 4th, I was astonished that a couple of teams had still not selected a RB. AJaye was not one of these. I won't mention the two. Another team had one mediocre RB and still chose a kicker in the 3rd. Based on that, and a few other questionable selections (4 TEs in the 3rd round), I decided to risk taking Pennington and Moss. I knew I just had to be better than 3 teams out of 17. At that point, I actually thought AJaye had a decent team with McNair, LT, and Steve Smith. That's my story and I'm sticking to it (at least until you leave the island).
2) Not only have you proved yourself a novice by selecting Minor, Gordon, and Hambrick :-0 as your RBs, you had to go and exaggerate my matchups with AJaye for week 3. You don't really believe I lose that matchup 99% of the time, do you? Here are the rankings for week 3 from footballguys.com:
AJAYE: McNair 8/LT 3/Keyshawn 19/Pinkston 52/Dwight 0
Shak: Carr 10/D Davis 2/Fitzgerald 22/Glenn 29/Morgan 37
Dawgs: Priest 21 (injury)/Bennett 27/KJ2 34/A. Davis 41/Driver 62/Gage 79
Those numbers seem pretty consistent with most other sites. Based on those numbers (and even if Priest was not injured), I felt pretty good vs. both of them, especially considering I just needed to beat one of them. It was my misfortune that DD went down and his backup was inactive. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been close.
I guess you were just yanking my chain when you said I lose that matchup 99%, so I'll cut you some slack.
If you have more free time on your hands, please do a search of the Stud Running Back theory. I think that will really help you out for next year.
Finally, I'm glad you see the humor in my posts, because this is just a game after all. I am here to amuse you, Joe. I just want to do my part to help you and the others get thru your remote tours. Have a nice AF day. :-)
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| 31 | Ednecks
ID: 26819197
Sat, Oct 02, 2004, 21:58
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Question for you legends. I have three pretty good running backs in a yardage league, which rewards RB recieving yards one for one. I need to start two.
Do you Start: Holmes, Brown or Westbrook.
Holmes is playing BAltimore. I can't make up my mind weather to sit Holmes against a strong Baltimore rush defense and he hasn't been getting many passes this year. Westbrook is the guy who I'll probably sit, but he has the chance to get mucho recieving yards?
Yes, even the neck has a hard time naking decisions.
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| 32 | RBP @ Home
ID: 16124215
Sun, Oct 03, 2004, 05:02
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I start Holmes and Brown and don't look back.
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| 33 | Joe
ID: 43771512
Sun, Oct 03, 2004, 07:04
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Shak, I'm a little hungover right now. So I will have to respond to your post later. Go Eagles!
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| 34 | RBP @ Home
ID: 16124215
Sun, Oct 03, 2004, 07:10
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Lots of ekspurts in the haciendo.
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| 35 | RBP @ Work
ID: 39228222
Sun, Oct 03, 2004, 17:06
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HHH I know your busy watching the Astros but who is REALLY in danger now that were halfway through Sunday?
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| 36 | JHHH, Stat Boy
ID: 7951317
Sun, Oct 03, 2004, 20:00
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Who's in trouble Week 4?
Well my prediction of STB, JHHH, and Joe didn't turn out exactly like I thought. STB is staring at Immunity with 100 points without a QB.
Here's an unofficial look at the current scores:
Shak 48 points - all players done.
JHHH 23 points with M. Faulk and J. Lewis to go.
Joe 18 points with Bulger/Boller and Tony G. to go.
Everyone else is pretty much guaranteed to score more than 48.
"Shak fourth off the rock!" is the collective call from the cellar dwellars in Kosovo...
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| 37 | Ednecks
ID: 26819197
Sun, Oct 03, 2004, 20:08
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It's going to be close. Pretty ironic if Shak leaves the week after surviving his bad bye week, plus he was talking like he was a lock for at least week 10?
Ednecks safe with 87 points. I guess it's between you three. I'd rather see Shak go just because he does have a team that could score big later on.
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| 38 | RBP @ Work
ID: 39228222
Sun, Oct 03, 2004, 20:47
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I think that Joe is gonzo unless he gets a huge game from one of the QB's and a bunch of catches from Tony G.
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| 39 | RBP @ Work
ID: 39228222
Sun, Oct 03, 2004, 20:49
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I have no idea how many points I have, but it wasn't many. Foster and Walker scored TD's that helped.
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| 40 | Shak, On the Edge
ID: 277541221
Sun, Oct 03, 2004, 23:17
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Wow, Hambrick got a garbage TD at the end to make it close. This is ironic. Looks like it's me and you, Joe. With our lineups for this week, I beat you 99% of the time, but that's what makes FFL so entertaining. I'm hoping for a defensive game on Monday.
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| 41 | Joe
ID: 43771512
Mon, Oct 04, 2004, 08:42
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99% that is so awesome.
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| 42 | Shak, Bags Packed
ID: 327222318
Mon, Oct 04, 2004, 17:03
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What a crazy week! Who would have guessed that Leftwich and Brees would be the highest scoring QBs this week? Ok, Leftwich did have a favorable matchup vs. Indy. Kerry Collins also had a good matchup with Houston and ends up with a minus one. How about Tiki and Emmitt as the highest scoring RBs? The same week that Emmitt is the 2nd highest scorer, his backup, Hambrick, outscores the likes of A. Green, Portis, Taylor, Barlow, T. Jones, Staley, C. Brown, and T. Henry. If that's not a crazy week, I don't know what is.
I really was hoping for a more creative response from Joe. I guess he's too excited to share his thoughts. Looking for a 0-0 game tonight! Go Ray Lewis!!
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| 43 | RBP @ Work
ID: 39228222
Mon, Oct 04, 2004, 22:37
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So far so good for Shak. Will Joe pass HHH?
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| 44 | Ednecks
ID: 26819197
Mon, Oct 04, 2004, 22:47
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Jon sweating bullets. Lewis looks a little fat and slow to me. I know he's got some cannons and is 245 lbs, Maybe it's just my TV?
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| 45 | RBP @ Home
ID: 16124215
Mon, Oct 04, 2004, 23:43
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Fattening ups so he can be Bubba when he gets locked down! (Go t get Chester Taylor in your leagues, JL is going to be suspended!)
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| 46 | Joe
ID: 43771512
Tue, Oct 05, 2004, 00:31
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Folks.....it was a pleasure. Its to bad that this is all coming to an end. However, like I said before, I am in Kosovo and have nothing better to do with my time so I will continue to tune in and get made fun of. It was not a total loss though, I won 50 bucks on the MNF game and my eagles will be undefeated in week 6. What the hell was the deal with the other TE stealing all of TG's glory in the first. Well its just a game...
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| 47 | Shak
ID: 277541221
Tue, Oct 05, 2004, 01:02
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Joe,
Very nicely said. I only hope that when it's my turn to exit, I can leave with as much class as you just showed. Take care.
js
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| 48 | RBP @ Work
ID: 39228222
Tue, Oct 05, 2004, 01:46
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How close was it at the end?
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