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0 Subject: RQFL#1 - Regular Season Discussion #2

Posted by: I_AM_CANADIAN
- [227221220] Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 18:16

The new thread. Maybe we can get a fresh start, with less controversy in this one?

:)

For previous threads, please see: Regular Season 1, RQFL #1 - Discussion #5, RQFL #1 - Discussion #4, RQFL #1 - Discussion #3, RQFL #1 - Discussion Thread #2 , youngroman's RQFL League Discussion - I
1youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 18:48
Bandos - I think you are the "bastard" I lose to this week. you only need 5.7 points from Donald Driver today and I'm pretty sure he will get that points. this would be my second close loss where I have more then 115 points scored. this week I have to blame myself for not winning because 4 of my bench players scored more (or should I say a lot more) then my respective starters. I only hope that either Pinner or Droughns will start next week to replace Jamal Lewis in my lineup.

Donald Driver, if you are reading this: please suck today.

I love that trash talking, I should do that more often.
2loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 20:01
I would like to nominate myself for The Minimal Skill and Lucky Move of the Week Award.
My waiver priority order was 1-Amos Zereoue, 2-Jonathan Wells, and 3-B.J.Sams. My 1st two choices were take by teams with a higher priority and I was left with Sams. Sams-18.1, Zereoue-9.4, and Wells-0.
1st runner up would be my my decision at 12:58PM to pick up free agent Drew Brees(16.5) and start him over Mark Brunell(3.3).
I am not tooting my horn, just illustrating how much luck factors into this game.


3I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 20:12
I too had an odd week for FA/Waiver moves...

M.Robinson & M.Booker played their best games of the year so far (27 & 12.3 Points). If only I had started them!

At least I started Phil Dawson (12 Points) instead of hoping on Vander.
4Tree
      ID: 28883018
      Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 20:18
post 213 in the previous thread makes me want to change my vote....

holt - I have set it the same for all players which means defense players get credited for return-yards. looking at last years stats, the following defense players were regular returners: P. Buchanon, RW. McQuarters, A. Rossum, D. O'Neal, L. Brightful (all are DB). none of them was drafted in our league so it currently makes no difference for us.

seems pretty clear there...
5Bandos
      ID: 52836313
      Tue, Oct 12, 2004, 08:39
YR - I guess you were right. Driver pulled it out for me. Too Bad GB couldn't win so I would win the office pool :(

It probably won't last long so....

THE BANDOS ARE IN FIRST!

It must be the year.

Go Sox!
6I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Wed, Oct 13, 2004, 18:12
A minor plee to the RQFL#1 League managers:

I spoke my mind in the previous thread about a particular points setup in our league... now after much meditation I wish to plee to the league for one of the managers rights. Since no decision of reversal of the rules has taken place 1 week after the point was brought up, I would ask that all league managers let A. Rossum pass through this weeks waivers draft this evening, and allow NY Titans (Loki) to re-pickup the player that is rightfully his (If he wishes, of course). If you chose not to, I do belive that is your right also, but...

His decision was taken in protest, at a time where it appeared their would be "clear" decision taken on the matter. I do not doubt that he felt pushed into a corner to make a decision. Art of Monk however, not knowing of the goings on in the divisional thread, was not affected by the discusion.

Thus in an action of fair play, I will, and would suggest to all other managers to follow suit and allow NY Titans (Loki) the choice of re-picking his player tomorrow on the FA wire.
7loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Thu, Oct 14x, 2004, 22:41
I_A_C-thanks for the support, but i am going to pass on rossum this week. that should guarantee him mega points.-l
8 I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Fri, Oct 15, 2004, 00:00
No problem Loki... I was making the plea as much for you as I was for myself. I find too often that I take a stance for rules that I perceived as beeing broken, and after making endless arguments, I find it leaves me with an awefull taste in my mouth.

Not that I find I'd done anything wrong; but I just wanted to bring back the fun & fairplay portion back into the game, instead of throwing "the book" out at every chance.

BTW... I find the boards have started to slow down... is everyone happy with their teams right now? If so, good for you, for managing your teams well.

For those of you that might be interested in a High Ranking Team D, I've got the Falcons & Broncos... one of the two can be had for a price. If so, make me an offer.
9loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Fri, Oct 15, 2004, 22:02
YR and I_A_C-It is still unclear to me which way we are going with IDPs and return points. After further review I think that it is best if return points for IDPs be disallowed. Read the RIFC message board as they are discussing the same matter.-l
10I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Fri, Oct 15, 2004, 23:28
ROTFLMAO! Glad to see my medling with rules carried over into more than 1 league. I had asked Guru, to get investigate this situation, but he said he didn't want to get involved.

:)
11TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Oct 15, 2004, 23:56
Truthfully, it was your post that made me decide to say something. I peek in and read your league thread and had noticed after week two that some IDP's in our league were getting points. Figured it was a glitch because fanball was on it's butt. I kept checking scores for every game each week and it hadn't affected any games, but it was bound to sooner or later.
12I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 00:47
Well my main concern was that McGee and Rossum were both picked up in the same week, after pretty good perfomances. I personally was just trying to avoid complaining about how the outcome of the games turned out before they actually transpired.
13I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 01:52
Well I've just called out the "Guru" himself for not paying enough attention to the qualifier divisions, by avoiding the very information that I had provided him in his own division's thread; now he finds himself in the same situation as YR. Which will be the better commish? Only time will tell...
14loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 11:54
If we are following the rules of RIFC, then please note Guru's post on their message board:

176 Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 10:57 I have not yet heard back from Fanball.

Since I have received no objections to my proposal, I will implement it. The consensus seems to be to remove the points for both me and Motley, so I'll do that.

No KR or PR yardage points will be counted this weekend. I will manually back them out. Set your week #6 lineups accordingly.

Our stance for weeks 7 and beyond will depend on the response I get from Fanball. We may need a vote early next week.

Meanwhile, I have received no objections to the recent trade between Leggo and Motley, so I just processed it.
15youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 17:31
good to see the same issue being discussed in RIFC. I would say we change the return-scoring starting with next week (week7) so that defense players are not getting points for return-yardage.

If I hear no objections on this I'll implement it next week.

in the meanwhile McGee looks to be a solid option without his return-yards too.

thinking about next season I'd like to see return-points included for all players. I am sure that will be discussed after the season is over.
16Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 13:42
I'm lazy -- can someone clarify for me the exact criteria for making the playoffs?

W-L?
Points?
"Power Rankings"?
How many teams?

And I assume that the League Champ will be the person who wins the league's "Super Bowl" and win the right to go to the RIFC.
17youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 13:50
top 6 based on rankings (#1-#6 seed) and the top2 teams based on points (#7,#8 seed) reach the playoffs (week 14-16)

first playoff round will be #1-#8, #2-#7, #3-#6, #4-#5
second round will be #1/8-#4/5, #2/7-#3/6
third round is our "Superbowl"

if I understand it right even the runner up could have a chance for an RIFC-invitation next year.
18Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 14:07
yr: top 6 based on rankings (#1-#6 seed)

Won-loss rankings or "Power Rankings"???
19loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 14:12
yr-does that mean that the team finishing in 13th place(not 14th with wiggs presumably dropping out--see I_A_C's post at the league site)would qualify for the playoffs if its point total was higher than the teams in 7th and 8th places?
20youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 14:25
here is Guru's post in the RIFC-thread:

Playoffs
8 teams
Top 6 W/L records are seeded 1-6
Top remaining total points are seeded 7-8
Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on head-to-head first, then total points
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)

I hope this makes it more clear
23I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Thu, Oct 21, 2004, 01:37
Adjustment needed for Waivers...

This one is incorrectly processed:

Toral Bills : Stroud, Marcus - DL, JAC Rod Coleman - DL, ATL to RESER MOVE EXECUTED OK

Coleman is still showing on Toral's Team.
24Art of Monk
      ID: 32531249
      Fri, Oct 22, 2004, 12:39
not a good sign when we already have a manager quitting. This isn't good for the league. Being out of town all week didn't help me either. I neglected looking at my roster and all of my WR had byes. I am starting to fall, D. Davis is killing me.
26loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 19:54
Live Scoring:
YR: 68.84-2
Weed: 71.24-1

Wid: 109.2-0
Ban: 91.26-1

End Sp: 78.57-0
AoM: 68.7-2

RFS: 74.86-1
NYT: 87.42-0

DWF: 98.29-0
FT: 114.30-0

W(Where art thou): 69.56-0
SH: 86.46-3

I_A_C: 57.4-1
TB: 100.2-1
27loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 20:43
unless things change unexpectedly, parity reigns with 1 game separating the 1st nine teams. there is however a significant difference in total points.
28youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 05:01
damn, it looks like I will lose this week by 0.18 points (107.34 vs 107.52) because I had to adjust Nate Kaedings (my kicker) points by -1 because of a missed 29 yd FG (where a missed 30-yarder would have been a 0 points)

Ouch! At least I knew who to blame this week. But there is still my WR-corps of Terry Glenn, Santana Moss and Andre' Davis who produced a total of 1.8 points. Yeah, what a week!
29Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 06:47
blah.

on paper, my team doesn't look so terrible. Bruce, Harrison, Alexander. how is my squad so pathetic?
30youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 07:07
Tree - lets see how our teams compete against each other next week. I have that feeling that I will score another 100+ and will lose again to be 4-4 for the year. the luck is not on my side, as always.
31Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 08:35
I thought victory for YR was sewed up after Rod Smith's TD. The move to Shane Graham actually paid off.
32I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sun, Oct 31, 2004, 11:51
My week 8 predictions:

YR vs Ric Flair: Yr's second worse bye week (10th week is by far the worst though). Looking pretty thin a WR. - Close Victory/Upset by Ric Flair.

WiddleAvi vs Slowhand: Even with 4 players on bye this week... - Close Victory WiddleAvi.

Species vs Toral: Injury bug starting to hit one of the top ranked teams. At least Species doesn't have bye week worries. - Clear Victory/Upset Toral.

dwfffan vs IAC: Known bye week problem for IAC. - Close Victory/Upset dwfffan.

Wiggs vs Weedeaters: The unmanaged team of Wiggs stands no chance. - Blowout Victory Weedeaters.

NY Titans vs AoM: Monk is missing a few key players, but are covered well. - Close Victory Art of Monk.

Bandos vs THK: Bye week issues + Injury ?s for THK. - Blowout Victory Bandos.

If my preditions are correct (which they won't be), then we would have WiddleAvi, Bandos, & Weedeaters all going into week 9, tied for first, with a record of 6-2. I guess well soon findout.
33youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Sun, Oct 31, 2004, 12:19
I count on a loss this week. it all depends on how often my WRs get the ball thrown to. one week they are getting the ball one week they see only 1 or 2 throws. looking at other so called stud-WRs, they have the same problem. one good week, one bad week. I only hope that at least one of my WR has a good week.

also hoping that McNabb destroys the Ravens defense early. every time he was on fire he showed that in the 1st quarter.

also the Droughns - Dunn matchup will be interesting. I will watch that game live on German Pay-TV. I'm hoping to see offense, offense, offense.

for next week I hope Jamal Lewis, Andre Davis and Santana Moss are back from their suspensions/injuries. week 10 could be another interesting week. but that was part of my strategy to not have too much weeks suffering because of byes, so I concentrated that into a few weeks only, and there could be no better week then week 10, because you can prepare for that week a few weeks in advance. And I hope I am prepared!
34youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Sun, Oct 31, 2004, 19:39
it turned out that my so called crappy receiver corps caught some balls today.

I need 13.25 points from Arnaz Battle, Lance Briggs and Zach Thomas. That should be possible. I hope I can cheer tomorrow morning and don't have to wait another 24 hours.
35loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Sun, Oct 31, 2004, 19:49
Live Scoring(but the accuracy seems in doubt):
YR 103.3-3
RSF 104.6-0

WA 82.8-2
SH 109.3-0

ES 50.34-2
TB 90.06-2

DWF 82.29-2
I_A_C 31.6-2????

W 62.82-2
WF 62.5-2

NYT 111.2-2
AOM 80.04-1

B 112.8-1
FT 64.1-1
36wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Sun, Oct 31, 2004, 19:56
I havent quit, my team just absolutely sucks.
37I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sun, Oct 31, 2004, 22:51
RE Wiggs: You didn't quit your team?

Can you explain why your #1 pick has been on the bench for the 3rd straight week? (4th if you count his bye week)
+ Akers & Chad Johnson.

+ Why Derrick Brooks (bye week), wasn't benched today?

+ Why Julius Jones is still on your team? (Has accumulated 1 FF point this year. In week 2.)

+ Why you didn't bench Roy Williams, when it was announced that he would not be dressed for today's game?

+ Why you have 2 kickers on your team, when your #1 guy's bye week was 4 weeks ago?

You're not fooling anyone... you gave up a long time ago.
38youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 05:39
and another 100+ week for me (only manager with 100+ every week), with Zach Thomas still to go I'm in front of Tree who has nobody today. sorry Tree, I know you needed the win badly to stay in the playoff race (7th loss in a row, Ouch!), but as you can see below - you are still in. you can show us all that you can reach the playoffs with the worst record in the league.

playoff picture as of today (MNF shouldn't change much):
1 Bandos (6-2, 914pts)
2 WiddleAvi (6-2, 896pts)
3 PanchoVilla (6-2, 807pts)
4 youngroman (5-3, 962pts)
5 Toral (5-3, 888pts)
6 loki (5-3, 844pts)
--------------------
7 Slowhand (2-6, 845pts)
8 Tree (1-7, 813pts)
--------------------
9 Species (5-3, 794pts)
10 ArtOfMonk (4-4, 797pts)
11 IAC (4-4, 769pts)
12 THK (3-5, 809pts)
13 dwffan (3-5, 772pts)
14 wiggs (1-7, 637pts)
39Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 06:36
what's killing me, YR, is that for at least the second time - and possibly more, i lost, in part, because my defense had negative points.
40I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 09:02
Sad, very sad. wiggs' unmanaged team with 3 inactive players and Holmes and C.Johnson on the bench, still will outscore mine this week.

He very well could still have been in the race if he had just kept adjusting his team every week; + he had a good hope of a playoff performer w/K.McCardell as his last round pick.
41loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 11:38
Re: Unmanaged teams.

The league needs to set a policy for unmanaged teams. Despite wigg's protestations to the contrary, I_A_C has clearly demonstrated that he has dropped out. I have no problem with a manager dropping out at any time. However if that manager decides to resume managing after being inactive, the situation then becomes very unfair. My suggestion is that the commissioner should put a hold on transactions for any manager who fulfills criteria for inactivity, yet to be decided upon by the league.
42I_AM_CANADIAN @ Work
      ID: 364563113
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 12:05
I personally would be up for making his team a league managed team. Ie. We vote as group, for his waiver moves etc.
43youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 12:24
wiggs last transactions were taken place on Oct 9. looking at his team it ain't that bad if he would set his lineup with players that are starting:

QB Delhomme
RB Priest
RB Bennett
WR Jimmy Smith
WR Roy Williams
WR McKardell or P. Price
TE Bubba Franks
K Akers
IDP Ellis, Winfield, Brooks
D Detroit Lions

on average this lineup could produce over 120pts a week.
Wiggs, where does your team suck?
44Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 12:30
I would agree with the league-managed team idea (and I haven't played him yet, so I'm costing myself a sure win!) I'm not worried about the "unfairness" aspect; I like fun, and playing an unmanaged team is no fun.

Or maybe better, invite some Gurupie who wishes he had one more team, wants to learn the rotoworld interface, etc.

Toral
45loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 13:44
Toral-However, besides fun we are playing for an invite to Guru's 2005 league. That is why I think that the resolution should be fair to all the remaining managers. Going into this week wiggs' record was 1-6. My suggestion is that the team that lost to wiggs be given a win for that game, if wiggs' week 8 opponent lost, that loss be changed to a win, and all other managers be given a win for their game with wiggs. All points gained in games with wiggs would then be subtracted from the managers who have alredy played wiggs.-l
46Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 14:00
I haven't played wiggs either and agree that it's bunk to those who haven't played him that now the league takes over. Why should I (or Toral) get the shaft when others in the league have benefitted from his (apparent) dissatisfaction/lack of interest?
47Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 14:19
Toral #44
I like fun, and playing an unmanaged team is no fun.

I guarantee you it won't be fun if wiggs beats me with a big night from Doug Brien. How pathetic would that be?

48wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 16:15
you can say what you want, but I made changes this week, some reason they didnt take. If fact 1 of the changes I made was holmes in for jones. Another one was trying to pick up a different line backer to fill in for brooks this week, but it kept telling me my claims were denied. I have no idea why that is.

I did forget to put akers back into the line up but who cares, isnt it my call who I start and how I dont?
49wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 16:15
IAC, I will respond to your post when i have more time.
50wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 16:25
why does my team suck?

Delhomme is playing terrible due to losing steve smith.

Holmes is great, but some reason I cant get him off my bench, everytime I think i do he is back on it.

Bennett hurt all season

J. Smith- very solid

Chad Johnson- well below average before last week.

Roy Williams- missing games due to injury.

McCardell just got back.

To answer IACs questions
+ Akers & Chad Johnson.

I missed akers, Chad Johnson hasnt impressed me until last week and some reason my changes arent working.

+ Why Derrick Brooks (bye week), wasn't benched today?
Tried to pick someone up and it told my my claim was denied.

+ Why Julius Jones is still on your team? (Has accumulated 1 FF point this year. In week 2.)
I think when jones does come back he will be a pretty good player and i dont see anything to pick up to replace him.

+ Why you didn't bench Roy Williams, when it was announced that he would not be dressed for today's game?
I wasnt home all weekend, when i left on friday I thought he was playing. Sorry I dont sit at the computer all day.

+ Why you have 2 kickers on your team, when your #1 guy's bye week was 4 weeks ago?
why not have 2 kickers? I dont see anythign on the waive wire that makes my team much better.



If you want to kick me out of the league i really dont care. I have plenty of other leagues to play, but I have played alot of leagues with alot of you and you all know that I am a quality manager.
51 youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 16:29
wiggs - if you are having problems setting your lineup you can post here or e-mail me your changes and I can change the lineup for you.
52wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 16:58
thanks youngroman
53Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 17:08
If you want to kick me out of the league i really dont care. I have plenty of other leagues to play, but I have played alot of leagues with alot of you and you all know that I am a quality manager.

I don't intend this to be offensive, wiggs, but like you say, you play in plenty of leagues. I noticed in baseball also that you seemed to drop leagues you weren't doing well in.

As you say, you are a quality manager, but when you give up, Gurupies notice.

Toral
54wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 18:46
toral, not really sure what you are referring to. I have played in 1 other league with you and I played up until august 28th at which point my pitchers innings were up. I was very happy with my offensive team and did not want to make any changes. Just from the fact that I ran out of innings on august 28th should show you that I was in fact very active and made many changes. Maybe you should get your facts straight before insulting me.
55wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 18:48
toral, also even with not making a move after august 28 (due to running out of pitching trades) I beat very good managers including rogue, deepsnapper, golf freak and baldwin.
56I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 18:56
RE wiggs: I don't see why you bother trying to back up your argument. After week 6 I mentioned that you had failed to move Holmes back into your lineup, and thus I figured that you had given up. From the sixth week you made no posts, nor any valid transactions.

If you were indeed trying to move Holmes back into your lineup, and it wasn't working, don't you think it's odd that you didn't say anything about it?
57Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 19:22
No insult intended, wiggs. As you say, you maxed out your pitching innings in August. No trades possible?

You're an excellent drafter, I know that, and positive to the leagues you're in when active.

It might be better just to say that you pay more attention to some leagues than others, and leave it at that, IMO.

Toral
58WiddleAvi
      ID: 39401623
      Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 23:44
Just curious, Is first tie breaker head to head matchup or points ??
59youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 02:37
WiddleAvi - tie-breaker:
1 win/loss record
2 head2head (I have not counted that in post 38, Rotoworld is missing that option for standings)
3 total points
4 total points against
5 randomizer
60wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 16:10
would you look at that, all the talk about my team being not run right and i still got the win.
61loki
      ID: 581051211
      Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 16:38
In a horse race if the jockey falls off and the horse crosses the finish line first, it is disqualified.
62wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 16:40
loki, if i knew what the hell you were talking about that might bother me. I won and thats all that matters.
63wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 16:46
youngroman, I am not sure what is going on, but my roster was able to be changed today. Thanks for offering to help me.

Also, I am just curious about your post 39, why are tree and slow hand up so far in the standing? Maybe i missed something. thanks.
64wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 19:57
youngroman, my claim was denied again. I am not sure why this is happening to me. Any help would be appriciated. Thanks.
65I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 20:44
RE 63: 1-6 into playoffs are dependent on W-L. 7-8 are the 2 overall highest points teams, out of the remaining 8 teams.

RE 64: Our Claims (Waiver's) go through after Wednesday evening. Around 1:10AM EST Thursday morning I believe. After that, you can make Free Agent pickups at any time until the 1st kickoff of the week.
66youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 20:46
wiggs - I only see that you have a claim for a player on your bench (indicated by the red C in front of your players name). is that the claim you wanted? does it work now?
also remember to not move the player you are trying to drop in this waiver-claim.
67wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 21:56
the claim i was making was on the kicker, if thats the one you see.

Thanks IAC, not i got ya.
68youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 22:02
wiggs - yes, the dropped player will be the kicker. so wait another day and you'll see the outcome. remember: you can also place more then 1 claim on a player, altough this should not be needed because you are 2nd this week.
69 I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Thu, Nov 04, 2004, 01:19
I'm looking to deal one of my WR's for an RB. Send me an email if you have an offer.

My WR's:

T.Holt
M.Robinson
L.Coles
Q.Morgan
E.Kennison
70Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Nov 04, 2004, 13:18
This week will be HUGE! Five teams are bunched at 5-3 while two more are 4-4. I play IAC who is behind me at 4-4. If I don't win, with my lame PF total I'm likely SUNK for a playoff spot.

Week 9
Team Points Opponent Points
youngroman's Luschen 5-3 vs. ArtofMonk 4-4
WiddleAvi's Dolphins 6-2 vs. Weedeaters 5-3
Endangered Species 5-3 vs. I_AM_CANADIAN 4-4
Ric Flair's slap! 1-7 vs. wiggs 2-6
dwfffan 3-5 vs. Bandos 6-2
New York Titans 5-3 vs. Toral Bills 5-3
Slowhand 2-6 vs. Fantasy Thugs 3-5

I can only hope that the addition of Boldin down the stretch will make a difference. Please get healthy, Brian Westbrook!
71Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Thu, Nov 04, 2004, 19:55
YE - i just accepted a trade that i dont think anyone would complain about.

i'm heading out of town for the weekend tomorrow, so i'd love for you to push this trade through, as i dont see anyone complaining about it.

i'd do it myself, but that seems like it might be unethical.
72I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Thu, Nov 04, 2004, 20:26
I too would like to see it pushed through. It would allow me to adjust something that is bothering me right now.

I also very much doubt anyone will have any negative comments about this trade.
73 Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Thu, Nov 04, 2004, 23:42
well, i'm gonna do it. if anyone has problems, take it up with me via email...
74I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Nov 06, 2004, 13:54
Hey Weedeaters... I proposed you a trade. If your interested, maybe we can get it pushed through in time for Sundays games, so that you don't miss out on playing him this week.
75Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Sat, Nov 06, 2004, 17:07
Exceptions are one thing when one or both parties will be away later in a week, and the normal time to execute a trade is still well in time for the roster freeze........it's another to push something through the day before a game.

IMO.....no pushing through a trade that couldn't be completed within the normal timeframe and be valid for the roster freeze.
76I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Nov 06, 2004, 20:37
Good point Species... I guess it could be perceived as bending the rules. I take back my statement then. If your still interested Weedeaters, let me know.
77loki
      ID: 361059319
      Sat, Nov 06, 2004, 23:26
I_A_C-where is your analysis for this week?-l
80I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sun, Nov 07, 2004, 12:55
Due to the popularity of last weeks half-baked predictions... Let's give this another try:

IAC's Week 9 Predictions

YR vs AoM: Two of the early season favorites facing off. w/Lewis back from suspension (Facing the Browns to boot), and YR's incredible depth at the WR position... I don't think Monk will be able to put up enough points. - Clear Victory YR.


WiddleAvi vs Weedeaters: Fred Taylor on a Bye, Thomas Jones Injured, leaves Bettis and R.Anderson as best options at starting RB for Weedeaters. Ouchy. - Blowout Victor WiddleAvi.


Species vs IAC: Been looking forward for this matchup since the Draft. At the time, I felt this was the team to beat. Looks like he'll be starting the banged up Westbrook and E.Mould in a windy game in Buffalo. - Close Victory/Upset IAC. (Oh by the way... I bet against my team last week.)


RicFlair vs Wiggs: The underdog game. I personally feel both teams are better than people give them credit for. RicFlair has had bad luck in matchups, and wiggs hasn't been putting out his best squad every week. I think this one will come down to who is playing. Staley and R.Williams both aren't 100%... probably game time decisions. - Clear-Close Victory RicFlair.


dwfffan vs Bandos: Both players have key players on bye weeks. Bandos seems to have a little better depth. - Clear Victory Bandos.


NY Titans vs Toral: Toral is currently on a 5 game winning streak. Titans two best players play for the Chargers. Should they keep on suprising people as they have this year (New Orleans Defense this week, or lack their of.)... - Close Victory/Upset NY Titans.


Slowhand vs Fantasy Thugs: RB wise: Dillon is Questionable and E.George & Rudy J. have not been spectacular... J.Walker's on a bye... Should Fantasy Thugs make some adjustments to his roster (Currently Boller at QB), then he has the edge. The way it looks now though: Close Victory Slowhand.
81youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Sun, Nov 07, 2004, 19:41
what a blowout win for me against ArtOfMonk. If Rotoworld has it correct I currently have 138.4pts (vs. 73.72) with Jamal Lewis and Marques Douglas still to play. with them I should easily reach 150+.
82loki
      ID: 361059319
      Sun, Nov 07, 2004, 22:36
Real Time Scoring:

YR 133.7-2
AoM 63.22-0

WA's D 56.21
WE 64.1-3

ES 94.39-0
IAC 107.2-1

RFS 110.7-2
W 61.86-3

DF 29.16-6
B 82.62-3

NYT 95.06-1
TB 78.03-1

SH 68.12
FT 84.18-4
83Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Sun, Nov 07, 2004, 22:48
Hey yr - for us Live Scoring challenged, how about posting 'em all?!?

How rude! ;-)
84Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Sun, Nov 07, 2004, 23:23
110 points? nice!
85youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 02:50
Species - sorry for not posting all the points, but it was 1:41am local time and I needed some sleep. I have no live scoring, but there is a way how to see your stats in real-time in Rotoworld (figured that out last week). I'll post this later today.
86loki
      ID: 581051211
      Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 13:47
Bandos-Trade proposal sent. If interested, please act on it soon. I will be out of the country and need to set my roster earlier in the week.-loki
87loki
      ID: 581051211
      Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 13:50
YR-I will be away from 11/14-11/21. If I am unable to find someone to set my roster for week 11, could you do it for me as the commissioner?-loki
88 youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 14:04
loki - of course I can do the adjustments for you. just send me an e-mail with instructions and I'll do it for you.

Species - real-time points without live-scoring: go to the scoring-details-page for this week (Scores->Results, then click on the points of the team you want) and you will see this weeks points. when you take the URL and change the week-parameter to week=10 you should see your real-time-scoring for week 10.
here would be your link for next week: http://commissioner.rotoworld.com/lm/reports/scoringdetail.asp?leaguenum=100839&showtm=9293&week=10
89Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 14:11
What does luschen mean ;) ?
90youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 14:12
just noticed that I got 161.04 points this week. wow! only 1 starter was below his average. now I have to sit 7 of those starters because they have a bye next week (thanks DEN and SD). Toral, this could be a close game, but you should win that matchup.

as of today it looks like I will be unavailable on 11/15 and 11/16 too.
91youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 14:39
Toral - Luschen is german and means something like Losers.
92loki
      ID: 361059319
      Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 21:40
Species and Toral-Trade proposal sent. If interested, please act on it soon. As I indicated in #86, I will be out of the country and need to set my roster earlier in the week.-loki
93 I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 22:44
Hey Loki... can I enquire as to what your looking for? or what your dealing?

AIM me if possible: IAMCANADIAN20040
94Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 23:35
loki - Thanks for the offer. I'll pass.
95loki
      ID: 361059319
      Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 00:16
I_A_C:e-mail sent-l
96Bandos
      ID: 29552911
      Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 08:31
Just cant do it, sorry loki.
97youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 14:22
current playoff picture:
rank manager W L pts
1 Bandos 7 2 1026,88
2 Pancho Villa 6 3 932,00
3 youngroman 6 3 1133,26
4 loki 6 3 974,74
5 WiddleAvi 6 3 1026,48
6 Toral 5 4 1019,36
7 Tree 2 7 955,46
8 Slowhand 2 7 950,52
9 I_AM_CANADIAN 5 4 917,38
10 Species 5 4 908,08
11 THK 4 5 916,88
12 Art Of Monk 4 5 871,42
13 dwfffan 3 6 845,62
14 Wiggs 2 7 737,98

with a lead of 216pts over the 9th I should have secured my playoff spot this week.
interesting that 2 teams with a 2-7 record would reach the playoffs after week9.
98WiddleAvi
      ID: 4356159
      Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 15:29
Nate Burhleson and his 90+ yards punt return for a TD !!!! I was that close to winning. On a side note for playoff rankings don't we go points if the records are the same ??
99I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 21:16
loki - I countered.
100I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 21:35
Edit last. Sorry picked wrong QB of yours. Was supposed to be your backup. I re-submitted the offer.
101loki
      ID: 361059319
      Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 21:44
I_A_C-Thanks for the offer. While the trade would give me the RB I am looking for, it would leave me without a viable QB to use in case of injury. Therefore I must decline. Take a look at my original e-mail to you. It was not a proposal; rather it was an explanation of what I was looking for as per your post #93.
102art of monk
      ID: 279122616
      Wed, Nov 10, 2004, 11:56
Can someone sum up playoff picture or rules for who makes the playoffs? Looking to make a trade or mix my team up a little after 4 straight losses. I could use another WR, I am more than willing to move one of my QB. When you lose 4 in a row you need to do someting.
103I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Wed, Nov 10, 2004, 12:04
Hey Monk...

Open AIM and we'll talk.
105 loki
      ID: 361059319
      Wed, Nov 10, 2004, 14:13
AoM-Sent you an e-mail involving my WRs.-l
106youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Wed, Nov 10, 2004, 14:36
I just checked back the original RIFC Parameters (Post 116) and found the playoff picture

Playoffs
8 teams
Top 6 W/L records are seeded 1-6
Top remaining total points are seeded 7-8
Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on total points
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)
107 loki
      ID: 361059319
      Thu, Nov 11, 2004, 20:29
YR-I just e-mailed my Week 11 roster changes to you. THANKS!!-l
108Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Thu, Nov 11, 2004, 21:36
a couple of trade offers sent out - check it!
109loki
      ID: 581051211
      Fri, Nov 12, 2004, 09:33
YR-Did you receive my e-mail? If not I'll send it again.-l
110youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Fri, Nov 12, 2004, 09:38
I got it. I'm very busy today. I just sent you the reply.
111loki
      ID: 581051211
      Fri, Nov 12, 2004, 11:07
THANKS!!
112Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Sun, Nov 14, 2004, 15:05
ouch....sitting brandon stokley this week, so far, REALLY hurts...132 yards, 2 TDs...so far...blah...
113youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Sun, Nov 14, 2004, 19:00
I will be away the next 2 days for a business trip to Stuttgart. I should be back on Tuesday at 6pm ET.

Toral - congratulations for your win this week. your team is at full speed on the field today, where my team is at full speed sitting on the bench. would have been a tough match if a few of them would have played this week.
114Bandos
      ID: 29552911
      Mon, Nov 15, 2004, 09:00
Well, if I can get 4 pts from Keyshawn and Ellis, I will be able to retain the top spot for another week. Close game IAC.
115I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Mon, Nov 15, 2004, 09:00
Question to YR...

Did you ever come to a decision on return yardage for DEF players? I read post 15 which would lead me to believe (I think), that it had been resolved.

But I notice that McGee & Rossum are still getting their points from this...

I guess if you could take a look into this when your back?
116youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Nov 16, 2004, 17:34
IAC - the time I posted #15, the same issue was being discussed in RIFL and they came up to include IDP-return-scoring. I think that was the reason why I never changed that.

here a list of both teams that got credited with IDP-return-yardage so far:

ArtOfMonk (McGee)
5: 69yds
6: 47yds
7: 90yds
8: 115yds (TD)
9: 94yds
10: 132yds
total: 21.88pts

Slowhand (Rossum)
10: 74yds
total: 2.96pts

I also looked at my results for last week and I nearly got Toral. before leaving, this looked like an easy win for him, but NE and McNabb were on fire. If a few things were different I could have won that matchup. I'm thinking of Favre's 2nd TD (which was no passing TD in my opinion, I believe if the NFL watches the tapes they will agree with me), Robinsons 33yd-catch in the garbage time of the SEA/STL-game where STL didn't care about giving up that yardage and McNabb being removed at the start if the 4th quarter because of a blowout.
117WiddleAvi
      ID: 39401623
      Wed, Nov 17, 2004, 08:39
So is it final that defensive players get return points ??
118I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Wed, Nov 17, 2004, 11:30
OK, I realize it's been discused out the wazoo; I just wanted to be sure of where we stood now.

So if I take it that it hasn't been changed since your ok with the points the way they stand, then I guess that Offensive Players scorring Defensive values is ok too? (ie tackles)
119youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Thu, Nov 18, 2004, 17:57
IAC - yes, offense players are also getting points for tackles. best example of this would be Troy Brown who lined up as defensive back last week in addition to his plays on offense. in most cases a tackle of an offense player happens on special teams or after a turnover. looking at our league's stats about 10 tackles for offense players are awarded every week.

only 3 more weeks and our playoffs will start. Bandos (8-2) is the first one who can secure his playoff spot with a win this week. Tree and Wiggs (both 2-8) can only reach the playoffs through the backdoor. Tree has still a shot with only 6pts behind THK who is 8th. Wiggs seems out with 219pts behind.
120I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 00:29
What's our cut-off date on Trades? Shouldn't it hit before we enter our playoffs?
121youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 04:53
IAC - I just checked the RIFC-threads and there was only one mention about that. their trading deadline is at the start of our playoffs (12/12). If a non-playoff-team tries a trade we are all welcome to veto, to not let it happen.
122 loki
      ID: 361059319
      Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 13:05
WA-Trade idea sent via e-mail.-l
123loki
      ID: 361059319
      Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 13:07
YR-Thanks for taking care of my team while I was away.-l
124youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Nov 23, 2004, 16:58
congratulations Bandos - you are the first one that secured his playoff spot.

in the playoffs:
Bandos (9-2)

chance to secure a spot with a win or a loss of I_AM_CANADIAN:
WiddleAvi, PanchoVilla (both 8-3)

chance to secure a spot with a win and a loss of I_AM_CANADIAN:
youngroman, Toral, loki (all 7-4)

I_AM_CANADIAN (6-5) will need at least one win in the last 2 weeks to get back in the top6, otherwise he is +17.96 for the #7 spot

THK, Species and ArtOfMonk (all 5-6) will need 2 wins in the last two weeks to have a chance to reach the top6. if not THK has the best shot on pts with only being 17.58pts behind.

Slowhand (3-8, +17.58) would be #8 as of today and only can reach the playoffs because of points.

Tree (2-9, -53.66) needs 2 high-scoring weeks to reach the playoffs based on points.

dwfffan (3-8, -177.94) and wiggs (2-9, -274.42) should be too far behind

next week I will also look at possible playoff-matchups.

remember that there are 2 games on Thursday this week, so don't forget to set your lineups earlier this week.
125 I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Thu, Nov 25, 2004, 22:08
I'm looking to make one final trade before the playoffs. If interested, Email me.

Player's potentially on the block:

Barlow, Suggs, Green, Scobey, Coles, Rice, Pennington, Palmer, Bronco's DEF.

I'm mainly interested in upgrading an RB ie. a 2 for 1 trade or upgrading one of my current WR's.
126wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Fri, Nov 26, 2004, 18:35
something is definately messed up with my team. I know for sure I started julius jones this week. I even checked it yesterday to make sure he was in and now today i see he isnt in. I dont know what is going on, but it sucks.
127Tree, out of town
      ID: 2910422613
      Fri, Nov 26, 2004, 20:20
wiggs - did you have any waiver transactions go through? i've had situations where i did, and they screwed up my roster...
128wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Fri, Nov 26, 2004, 22:12
i didnt. I know i put him in after you sent me the trade, when was that tuesday?
129Bandos
      ID: 2210522710
      Sat, Nov 27, 2004, 11:58
I feel like I've done it with smoke and mirrors and gotten very lucky a few weeks pulling out wins with less thgan stellar points, with Vick inconsistent and Moss out for a few weeks I have no idea where the points are coming from (oh and my first RB drafted was Wheatley...).

But thanks for the congrats. I hope to hold up well in the offs.

130Tree, out of town
      ID: 110202611
      Sat, Nov 27, 2004, 12:55
me? i'm just going for points, hoping to sneak into the playoffs through the backdoor.

Stokley and Harrison combining for 6 TDs on thursday sure helped!
131youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Sat, Nov 27, 2004, 13:02
wiggs - did you get the "roster saved" message? possibly you submitted an invald roster and it was not saved.
133I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Mon, Nov 29, 2004, 09:07
I really wanted to make with playoffs this year through a straight good W/L performance, but it looks like I may be resorting to the "backdoor" of overall points.

To get a win this week:
I'm currently up by 13.3 Points, and have Holt playing tonight, vs Slowhand's, J.Walker, B.Franks, R.Longwell...

Oh, and to make it even more interesting, my Oponnent (Slowhand), is also trying (currently succeeding) to secure one of the two "backdoor" playoff spots too.

Here's hoping for a bad performance from the Pack tonight.
134Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Mon, Nov 29, 2004, 10:32
I had the same problem as Wiggs with my defense. I had picked Carolina(vs Tampa) but when I checked this morning it had Jax(vs Minny).

It wouldn't have made a difference, since Bandos would have won anyway, thanks in part to a 4 TD performance from McGahee - who he got from me in a trade. Ouch!
135art of monk
      ID: 279122616
      Mon, Nov 29, 2004, 12:58
The season was fun, but I had a huge meltdown with my team. I was 4-1 with the high points in the league and boom. I won one more game. Pathletic. I know this was league to play into another league are we doing anything else with teams that didn't make the playoffs. I had fun, but never really liked my team and I should have drafted a WR earlier.
136Bandos
      ID: 29552911
      Mon, Nov 29, 2004, 18:29
McGahee has been huge for me as Wheatley has sucked/been on dl. but there are some patterns that have emerged from this league (as it my first roto football team) that will be fascinating to disect at the end of the year cuz I know that even I didnt think my draft was all that good, with my unusual strategy and all.

What is ofcourse very worrying is the fact that eventhough I have a 2 game lead, I still have to perform in the offs to make that stick - or I become the 116 win mariners...
137youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 16:20
current playoff picture:
Bandos (10-2, 1433.74) - #1
youngroman (8-4, 1516.24) - #2 to #5
WiddleAvi (8-4, 1396.10) - #2 to #5
Toral (8-4, 1392.14) - #2 to #5
PanchoVilla (8-4, 1322.44) - #2 to #6

loki (7-5, 1325.94)
Slowhand (4-8, 1311.40)
I_AM_CANADIAN (6-6, 1304.06)

battle for #6:
loki (7-5, 1325.94) - vs. wiggs (2-10)
I_AM_CANADIAN (6-6, 1304.06) - vs. youngroman (8-4)
THK (6-6, 1276.18) - vs. Toral (8-4)

battle for #7, #8:
loki (7-5, 1325.94) - +49.76pts
Slowhand (4-8, 1311.40) - +35.22pts
I_AM_CANADIAN (6-6, 1304.06) - +27.88pts
THK (6-6, 1276.18) - -27.88pts
Tree (3-9, 1253.72) - -50.34pts
Species (6-6, 1223.06) - -81pts

out of playoff race:
ArtOfMonk (5-7, 1190.92)
dwffan (3-9, 1091.30)
wiggs (2-10, 980.00)

trades and waiver/free-agent pickups are allowed until the start of our playoffs on Dec 12.

note on my team: I finally reached the playoffs this week. looking at the points each week I would have won 136 out of 156 matchups. don't ask me why I only won 8 of 12 games, where I should have won at least 10 of them. now I hope that my team stays healthy for the rest of the season. If not I have at least one valuable backup at every position. usually I am not very lucky so I would be not surprised if I lose my first playoff game with only 70pts.

note on Tree's post on Rotoworld: there was a timeframe last Thursday between 1:11am and 12:55pm where free agent pickups have been possible. I also noticed that he had not tried to claim a player off waivers.

on using Rotoworld next year: lets see. I would say if Yahoo would have a better waiver-system it would be a lock. I don't think that this will happen so we are stuck with the other sites. currently the only other free site is Rotoworld. I think when you know their game it should be no problem to use it next year. Fanball with its double-headers could be an alternative but reading RIFC and RIFC#3-threads they also encountered some problems. this leaves me with my opinion that no site is perfect. It is up to everybody to commish next years RIFC-qualifiers and choose the used site by himself.
138Tree
      ID: 510231619
      Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 22:06
note on Tree's post on Rotoworld: there was a timeframe last Thursday between 1:11am and 12:55pm where free agent pickups have been possible. I also noticed that he had not tried to claim a player off waivers.

i did not claim a player off of waivers prior to the normal wednesday night waiver stuff, because at the time my squad seemed healthy.

to not be allowed to pick up a player from kickoff on thursday for nearly an entire week is absurd.

I would say if Yahoo would have a better waiver-system it would be a lock. I don't think that this will happen so we are stuck with the other sites. currently the only other free site is Rotoworld. I think when you know their game it should be no problem to use it next year.

there were just too many things i didn't like about rotoworld that make Yahoo's problems seem much more minor. the interface for Rotoworld in nearly every capacity is just not that user-friendly.
139WiddleAvi
      ID: 39401623
      Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 22:51
Tree - Due to games being played on Thur. I have to say that it makes sense that you are not allowed to pick up players until the next waiver wire runs. As far as your squad being healthy thats just the way the dice rolls.
140I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 00:19
My .o2... I personally didn't have much problem with Rotoworld... I would be happy to repeat a season with them. I feel that they are trying to improve their product, and yes I did pay for part of it (Live Scorring); so I feel that they are pretty close to covering all bases of possible fantasy scenrios for football. Not perfect... but better than Yahoo.

Ben
aka. I_AM_CANADIAN
141Tree
      ID: 76471215
      Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 13:37
Tree - Due to games being played on Thur. I have to say that it makes sense that you are not allowed to pick up players until the next waiver wire runs. As far as your squad being healthy thats just the way the dice rolls.

Yahoo lets you pick up players on teams not playing on thursday...as it should be. i'm pretty sure TSN let's you do the same.
142youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 14:20
Tree - I suggested that feature at Rotoworld so that not all players land on waivers at the start of the first game. For me the options should look the same as for lineup-changes:
a) The start of the first game.
b) The start of the first "early" game for early game players and 1:00 PM ET Sunday for all other players.
c) Each player locks 5 minutes before the scheduled start time of his game.
d) At a specific time each week:

In our league that would have been c). Lets see how they respond.
143loki
      ID: 361059319
      Sat, Dec 04, 2004, 10:05
Roster Freeze during the playoffs

I copied the following from the RIFC forum. They are good ideas, and I think that we should vote on them.-l

127 Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 15:29 I'd be agreeable to one (or both) of the following compromises:

Proposal 1. Teams not active the championship playoffs are locked from any future add/drop transactions. This includes all teams vying for the Toilet Bowl, whether still alive or not.

Rationale: This ensures that teams no longer in contention for the championship cannot have any further impact on the championship (via added or dropped players)

Proposal 2. Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) are frozen for the playoffs. Team defenses are also frozen, since they are not subject to injury uncertainty. Other positions are eligible for injury-replacement add/drop/claim transactions only.

Specifically, players in the other slots (TE, PK, IDP) may only be replaced if they are designated as questionable or worse on the [Wednesday or later] NFL injury report. This allowance does not apply to any player who was designated questionable or worse for the week 14 game.

Rationale: I think we all have some backups available for QB, RB, and WR. But we don't have sufficient slots to protect against injury in all of the other slots. This would allow us to replace those injured players, while protecting against a "Blaylock" type of situation.

I think these restrictions would preserve roster integrity while still allowing for protection against unforeseen injuries to lesser players.


141 Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Dec 02, 2004, 09:41 I will vote for both proposals as well. Proposal 1 passes easily. Proposal 2 now has 8 votes (GL, TB, culdeus, Ender, Mike V, MC, Legge, Guru), so it passes as well.

Thus, allow me to recap and clarify Proposal 2:
Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) are frozen for the playoffs. Team defenses are also frozen, since they are not subject to injury uncertainty. Other positions are eligible for injury-replacement add/drop/claim transactions only.

Specifically, players in the other slots (TE, PK, IDP) may only be replaced if they are designated as questionable or worse on the NFL injury report. This allowance does not apply to any player who was designated questionable or worse for the week 14 game.
Thus, you cannot add or drop a QB, RB, WR, or team Def after the week #14 freeze, period. You can only drop someone else if that player was designated as "Probable" or better for week 14, and "Questionable" or lower at some point thereafter. If one of those players is dropped, he can only be replaced by a player fulfilling the same position. (LB and DB will be considered the same position for this purpose.)

Since this will severely restrict player movement after this week, I'll plan to completely turn off the ability to add or drop players at Fanball after this week's freeze. If you need to make a transaction during the playoff period, send me an email, or post your requested transaction here. In the event of competing claims, standard waiver priorities will apply.


144youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Sat, Dec 04, 2004, 14:03
I am fine with everything. Proposal 1 is a lock, but I doubt this situation will happen.

if Proposal 2 is also being enforced I will do it like Guru and disable the ability to pick up players, so that all transactions have to go through my hands (via e-mail or this boards)

personally I would only need a backup at K and DL if one of those 2 gets injured. I prepared my team weeks ago to go solid into the playoffs.
145I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Sat, Dec 04, 2004, 14:45
I'm fine with #1 & #2 both.
146Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Sat, Dec 04, 2004, 17:06
I am for #1 and against #2. I don't see any reason why skill players etc. need to be frozen, especially since there are players released last waiver run-through that we can't get a shot at till last waiver run.
147Bandos
      ID: 29552911
      Sat, Dec 04, 2004, 21:38
i agree with toral - please see the discussion in the rqfl 2 thread.
148loki
      ID: 361059319
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 09:24
I would like to see proposal number #1 modified so that once a team is elminated from the playoffs its roster would be frozen.

I am fine with proposal #2 as it stands but would also prefer that skill positions not be frozen.
149WiddleAvi
      ID: 39401623
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 12:34
I am fine with both 1 & 2
150I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 23:58
Live Scoring on the Night (seems accurate):

YR: 134.8
IAC: 135.7

WiddleAvi: 114.8
Species: 122

RicFlair's Slap: 87.56 (1)
Bandos: 58.36 (1)

dwfffan: 84.1
AoM: 120.3

wiggs: 109.2 (1)
NYTitans: 120.3

Weedeaters: 89.44
Slowhand: 82.96 (1)

Toral: 104.6 (1)
Fantasy Thugs: 128.8 (2)
151I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 00:25
A brief look at the standings... if everything is accurate:

1. Bandos 10-3? (1st position locked, even if he loses)
2. Weedeaters 9-4? (if Darrel Jackson get less than 7FP for Slowhand)
3. YR 8-5? (Very close one to call. If their are any scoring adjustment's he could win tonights matchup; if so he's got 2nd)
4. WiddleAvi 8-5 (Up on Toral by about 16 points)
5. Toral 8-5? (Josh Brown would have to put up a MONSTER game to win this week again Fantasy Thugs, but if he puts up over 16 FP then Toral ends up in 4th.
6. NY Titans 7-6? (If J.Jones gets over 11 FP for wiggs then NY Titans will make Tie break against me for 7-6 record and beat me out by 10 points)
7. IAC 7-6? (Up by 31 Points over Fantasy Thugs)
8. Fantasy Thugs 7-6 (Unless Witten & Cowboys DEF put up 31 then this is his spot.)

---

9. Slowhand 4-9? (Behind Fantasy Thugs by 10 points, having 1 less player going Monday)
10. Ric Flair 4-9? (As long as S.Alexander puts up an ok game)
11. Species 7-6 (Should fall just behind Ric Flair in points)
12. AoM 6-7
13. dwfffan 3-10
14. wiggs 3-10?
152youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 03:45
I_AM_CANADIAN - for me it looks like you won 137.6 to 136.96. Ouch!

I don't hope that we are 2nd/7th. I don't want to see your team next week, but a re-match would be fun. if I am correct PanchoVilla has to win so that I am not 2nd, because I have you locked in at #7.

I also noticed that this week the playoff seeds 1-6 all lost/or can still lose. have we all tought too much about the big game next week?
153youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 09:03
I noticed that I can set up a Toilet-Bowl like schedule for the teams that don't reach the playoffs. I'll check the RIFC-thread later at home to see how they are handling the seeding/matchups for the next 3 weeks.
154Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 09:38
I agonized over which RBs to start, and screwed up big time, leaving Taylor on the bench and starting T Jones and Bettis. Jones split carries with A Train and Staley carried the load for the Steelers.
I have a feeling it may cost me a win this week, as D Jackson should have a good night against the Cowgirls.
155art of monk
      ID: 279122616
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 12:20
What would be the point of the toilet bowl? I am all for it, but don't quite understand the purpose. What is going to happen for next year? Do I move down to Rqfl #2 or 3 since I didn't make the playoffs?
156youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 15:12
Toilet Bowl will be played between teams #9-#14 with the following schedule:

week14:
G1: #9 vs. #14
G2: #10 vs. #13
G3: #11 vs. #12

week15:
G4: winner G1 vs. best loser (based on pts in week14)
G5: winner G2 vs. winner G3

if best loser is loser of G1:
G4: winner G1 vs. winner G3
G5: winner G2 vs. best loser

week16:
Toilet-Bowl: winner G4 vs. winner G5

the tie-breaker will be regular season points.

Proposal 1 will be enforced starting with week14. i cannot lock individual managers from doing pickups so this is the responsibility of every manager to not drop his top-players after being out for the season.

Proposal 2 will be not enforced. I also will not disable the ability to pick up players. everything stays the same (including waiver pickups)

possibilities for next years league-setup:
RIFC: winner and runner up (8 RIFC + 2 of every RQL, I think Guru has confirmed this in a RIFC-thread)
RIFC AAA: both losers of playoff week2 (6 RIFC + 2 of every RQL + 2 remaining spots)
RIFC AA: remaining playoff teams ( 4 of every RQL + 2 remaining spots)
157I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 00:32
Playoff Picture (Revised)

1. Bandos vs 8. Fantasy Thugs
2. YoungRoman vs 7. IAC
3. WiddleAvi vs 6. NYTitans
4. Toral vs 5. Weedeaters

---------------------------------

Wow! I get to go up against the commish for the 2nd straight week. I feel lucky! Can I pull off 2 upsets in a row over the overall points getter in the League?

btw... that was an exciting end of game...
158youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 07:53
IAC - this will be a one and out for me (I know that I usually have no luck in such situations). my problem is to choose the right players every week. I have too many options at RB and WR (even at QB and TE) and every week I play some wrong ones. I have to restructure my IDPs (and possibly K) because they were the reason for my loss last week.

back to the drawing board to find the best matchups at every position. only my D and probably McNabb are locked for this week.
159Bandos
      ID: 29552911
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 09:17
The "surprising usefullness" of Emmitt Smith is gone and I don't have much to replace him. I have been pretty lucky with the injury bug until now.

Lets hope that last week was the Michael Vick "still a young quarterback" game and will be replaced with Michael Vick "superstar" performance next week.

Moss needs to be totally healthy as well.

Good luck to all in offs - It's been a great regular season, far beyond my expectations to place first in TWO RQFL's with completely different draft strategies. It helps to scour those waiver wires and play some matchupos - especially in a deep league where a coupla points made the difference many weeks.

Looking forward to doing the wrap-up. Now to the crapshoot.
160I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 11:26
To YR (About Post #143):

Do we have a concrete answer on 1 & 2 yet? It would be good if we could know by the end of the day today, so that everyone will have a chance to plan their waiver requests for tomorrow.
161I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 13:06
I could be wrong... But I think we out pointed the other two RQL's.

According to what I see from the Total points of 1-8 teams from all the RQL's:

RQL1 = 11,901
RQL2 = 23,496/2 = 11,748
RQL3 = 11,369.

Good job boys!
162I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 13:06
Standings

Standings

 

Team

Points

x-Bandos

1,506.74

x-youngroman's Luschen

1,653.20

x-WiddleAvi's Dolphins

1,519.88

x-Toral Bills

1,505.76

x-Weedeaters

1,416.58

x-New York Titans

1,447.18

y-I_AM_CANADIAN

1,437.66

y-Fantasy Thugs

1,418.12

z-Endangered Species

1,350.90

z-ArtofMonk

1,316.72

z-Slowhand

1,412.76

z-Ric Flair's slap!

1,364.58

z-dwfffan

1,180.78

z-wiggs

1,134.56

 

163Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 17:04
Re IAC 160 The answer is in #156.
164youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 18:49
IAC - see post 160, proposal 1 will be enforced (I don't think this will happen), proposal 2 will not be enforced. you can make claims until Wednesday and free agent pickups until the weekend.

I also noticed that I am far ahead in total points over all RIFC-leagues. I don't know how I only ended with a 8-5 record. and the real bad stat is that I am 2-5 against playoff teams.
165art of monk
      ID: 279122616
      Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 12:01
I hope nobody objects, but I am going to do a FA Pickup even though I am in the toilet bowl. I am picking up a replacement TE, which shouldn't affect anybody.
166I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 18:17
It's been awefully quiet around here lately so I thougt with the playoffs about to start, that now is a good time to take a look back at the season.

Surprised not to see in the Playoffs:

Art of Monk - I had heard very good things about him beeing a very good manager.
+ ALL 3 PICKS for my FAV teams other than my own!!! = Wiggs, DWFFFAN, & Species.

Surprised you made it to the Playoffs:

Me! It's my 1st year playing Fantasy Football! I only made it here due to beeing very consistent week to week in trying to improve my team through WW and FF moves.

Biggest surprise player of the season:

Antonio Gates... I had heard good things, but... wow!

Best End of Year effort:

Julius Jones - Instant Studd! (I take back what I said wiggs, your instincts to wait on him were right; maybe you could have benched him through the middle weeks though?)
167I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Mon, Dec 13, 2004, 00:18
Live Scoring:

Playoffs:

#1 - Bandos: 105.6 (1)
#8 - Fantasy Thugs: 102.1 (1)

#2 - YoungRoman: 106.6 - (L)
#7 - I_AM_CANADIAN: 116.7 (1) - (W)

#3 - WiddleAvi: 92.89 (3)
#6 - New York Titans: 97.5 (1)

#4 - Toral Bills: 121.9
#5 - Weedeaters: 76.8 (2)

Toilett Bowl:

Species: 88.3 (1) - (W)
Wiggs: 79.16 - (L)

ArtofMonk: 95.54 (1)
dwfffan: 89.28 (1)

Slowhand: 121.6 - (W)
RicFlair's Slap!: 79.16 - (L)
168I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Mon, Dec 13, 2004, 00:26
Wow. Back to back wins against YR?! Who woulda thunk? It's actually a little bit disappointing, because this is actually YR's worst game of the year, and he had some guys on the bench that put up big #s. I'll take it anyway I can get it though.

I'll be waiting for the result between WiddleAvi & NY Titans.
169Bandos
      ID: 29552911
      Mon, Dec 13, 2004, 00:52
3.5 points and Tony Gonzalez vs. Chris Brown. I dont like my chances. Is the #1 seed gonna get knocked out in both rqfc? its 29 point vs green and mason monday night. Could be.

Vick with 8, Atlanta with 35???? brutal.
170youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Mon, Dec 13, 2004, 03:57
IAC - A week ago I predicted that I will lose this week (see post 158). I am the president of the land with the bad luck. I dominated the season in points and the first game that really counts is disappointing. I have to look closer what wrong decisions I made this week and if I were really wrong. I believed yesterday that I made the right decisions (Santana Moss was the only one I thought about a lot).

now I have to analyze my season and prepare for next year.
171WiddleAvi
      ID: 39401623
      Mon, Dec 13, 2004, 10:05
Going into tonight I am down by 1.4 points. I hope that Volek actually plays. I have Kinney, Tynes (KC Kicker) & Volek and he has Green. Should be close if Volek plays otherwise I am done.
172Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Mon, Dec 13, 2004, 10:14
In order for me to have had a chance this week I needed a huge day from Culpepper, and that didn't happen.
About the only bright spots on my team were my team Ds, Jax and Carolina.
173loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 07:25
wa-not only did volek play, he had a career game. congrats!!-l
174Bandos
      ID: 29552911
      Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 08:36
Well, both the best record and most points are eliminated in the first round. Playoffs are brutal. By 3 points, the Bandos fal to the Thugs - congrats and go get 'em.

Couldn't vick have scored one td? just one? (end whine)

Im still alive in #2(by 5 points) but I am not eligible for any berths in that league.

It's been a great season but I am already looking forward to baseball and putting together a much better showing.
175WiddleAvi
      ID: 39401623
      Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 08:45
My biggest mistake this season was worrying about QB's. I had Griese & Simms & Roethlsberger. That was before Griese got the starting job. IAC offered me Warner for Pittman and I took it. Well Warner is gone and Pittman might come back to haunt me this week with his matchup against NO.
176wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 11:16
congrats to everyone. I had a pathetic preformane with this league and I apologize to everyone for letting my team slip in the middle. It was a very tough semester with school and work and everything else that goes on. This is not an excuse, but rather an apology and a hope that I will be invited back for another season. Anyone who knows me from other leagues knows I am a very active manager. Good luck to those still alive in the play offs.
177youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 16:32
I just entered the matchups for the 2nd playoff week:
RQFL#1 Bowl:
WiddleAvi (9-5) vs. I_AM_CANADIAN (8-6) - week 4: 110.58 vs. 81.72
Toral (9-5) vs. THK (8-6) - week 13: 113.6 vs. 141.94

Toilet Bowl:
Species (8-6) vs. dwfffan (3-11) - week 2: 101.38 vs. 56.84
Slowhand (6-8) vs. ArtOfMonk (7-7) - week 2: 86.56 vs. 105.16

a quick analyzation of my big first round loss (by 30.78 pts):
even if I had played my best players it would have been very close. I don't know what I could have done better to win this week. It is good to prepare for the playoffs and have a lot of options, but when the opposing teams starters put up huge numbers in that one game you have no chance. it would have hurt more if I had started some other players and lost by 1 point.

someone asked in the other thread a very good question: when do catchers and pitchers report? I already started creating my draft sheet for the upcoming baseball draft. this year I could get an invitation to RIBC for being 2nd in my qualifying league last year and I have to prepare early.
178youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 17:45
Bandos - I just noticed that you lost because 2 of your receivers have thrown interceptions. can someone count the odds for that?
179Bandos
      ID: 29552911
      Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 20:32
Until you pointed it out, I hadn't noticed. Holy f@#$ing hell, 2 INT by WR??!! for a whopping -4 when I lose by 3. YR you arent cursed, I am!
180I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 22:20
YR...

How exactly is waiver wire order being determined at this point?

I'm know that not many managers will be making claims this week, but I was just wondering.
181youngroman@ca.com
      ID: 491110148
      Wed, Dec 15, 2004, 03:09
waiver order for this week is the reverse order of total points for the season (split by Bowl):
1 THK
2 IAC
3 Toral
4 WiddleAvi

5 dwfffan
6 ArtOfMonk
7 Species
8 Slowhand

the rest is eliminated and should not claim any player
182Bandos
      ID: 29552911
      Wed, Dec 15, 2004, 10:30
IAC - you certainly are festidious. :)

Yes, I know that in #2 I don't get any bids. Trip was simply pointing out that eventhough I lost in the first round in #1 (on two picks thrown by WR!!!) I still have a good case for the two AT LARGE bids.

Regular season first place finishes in 2 qualifying leagues where I had 2nd and 11th pick and used totally different strategies based on draft order. Still alive in #2 with a chance to make the final - we will see. I am not sure if any, other than YR who outpointed EVERYONE, has a stronger case. Also, it certainly wasn't the strength of my draft that led me to a 10-4 record here - it was managing as my recap will explain.

Enough tooting my own horn. While I deserve fully to be in A or AA baseball next year after my dismal showing, I think it would be appropriate for me to lobby to be included in the RIFC next year - ofcourse, after Guru gets his check :)

Good luck this week.
183Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Wed, Dec 15, 2004, 17:21
I'm having a problem making a waiver claim this week. I get this message:
A pending claim already exists for the player you are trying to claim, attached to the player you chose to attach. Only one pending claim is allowed per player pair. Therefore this claim cannot be processed. Click here to go to the Pending Claim page for this team where the existing claim can be modified or deleted.
When I "click here" I get this message:

There are no pending claims for this team at this time.

Anyone have any insight into this?

Toral
184 youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Wed, Dec 15, 2004, 17:35
Toral - I can see that you have a claim entered. I can not see what player you are trying to add but I can see the red C next to the player you want to drop.
you can e-mail me your requested claim and I can check tomorrow if everything went ok, and if not I can do it manually. It could also be possible that I can enter a claim for you (haven't tried that all season, but could be worth a try)
185Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Wed, Dec 15, 2004, 17:39
I just entered a different claim that worked. My claim for the original player didn't work.

I'll e-mail you what I want to do, and we;ll see what happens from there.

Toral
186youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Wed, Dec 15, 2004, 18:24
Toral - I sent you an e-mail with my analyzation. I'll be off for sleep in a few minutes.

to all - I'll check back tomorrow morning to possibly correct the outcome of this weeks waivers. If waivers were not run until 1:45am ET, I'll check back at around 5am.
187Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Wed, Dec 15, 2004, 22:36
Thanx for your help. My claims show up correct;y now.

Toral
188I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Thu, Dec 16, 2004, 22:02
Not that this really affects me that much... But I don't think that the waiver draft this week was run "in order" as per you stated in Post #181. I believe Toral might have lost out on one of his desired players due to this.

You may wanna give this a look YR, because after this round it's kind off too late.
189Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Fri, Dec 17, 2004, 11:21
Good point. Didn't notice that. I'll ask YR to look into it, though I don't know if it can be fixed now.
190dwfffan
      ID: 371133315
      Fri, Dec 17, 2004, 12:05
Seeing Patten was taken off my roster, Kitna was second choice. Do I get him or does Toral get both?
191youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Fri, Dec 17, 2004, 14:10
I changed the roster this morning, but had no time to post here because of a very busy day at work.

here some explanations, order is in post 181, results are:

Toral gets David Patten for Chris Chandler
IAC gets Sammy Morris for Williams Green
dwffan gets Nate Kaeding for Jeff Garcia (Patten was already taken)
Toral gets Jon Kitna for Travis Taylor
IAC gets Clarence Moore for David Terrell
IAC gets Keith Brooking for Carson Palmer
IAC gets Ladell Betts for Rod Gardner

dwfffan - you didn't get him because Kaeding for Garcia was your second choice and Kitna for Garrard your 3rd one (because Kitna was 2nd for Toral he got him)

I hope everything is alright because I made some wrong moves from Toral/dwfffan's roster. I was a bit tired this morning....
192youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Sun, Dec 19, 2004, 04:42
scoring after the first 3 games:

RQFL #1 Bowl
WiddleAvi 13 (DL,LB,D)
IAC 7.7 (WR,TE,LB)

Toral 0
THK 5.5 (LB)

Toilet Bowl
Species 7.3 (TE)
dwfffan 24.3 (WR,LB,D)

Slowhand 23.1 (2LB)
ArtOfMonk 30.88 (WR,DL,D)
193Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Sun, Dec 19, 2004, 12:27
I have a feeling I'm going to regret not trusting Tiki this week. After all the man's done for me, I didn't show faith.

I selected Favre considering it a plus that he has 2 games at home in the playoffs. So despite the weather I'm counting on him to get it done today. If I can get through today I'm looking for Collins and an old-fashioned shootout next week against K.C., but I'm relying on Brett this week.

Toral
194Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Sun, Dec 19, 2004, 12:29
Oh and I have a feeling that Patten's going to do something dramatic after all the hassle I had actually getting him this week. (He's the guy I originally couldn't enter a claim for, see above.) Either 150 yards and 3 scores or sitting on the bench all day for 0 and 0 -- something memorable, anyway.
195Bandos
      ID: 29552911
      Sun, Dec 19, 2004, 13:22
Toral - I sat Barber AND Bettis to the tune of 37+ points last night for Ladanian and Pittman in #2. I also should have kept the faith. Pittman has been huge lately and I need him to be huge so I dont freak about sitting Tiki.
196I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Sun, Dec 19, 2004, 14:23
Scoring Problem...

YR... Bufallo scored a TD on a blocked Punt in the first quarter of today's game. Fanball is showing it as a valid DEF Team TD. Rotoworld doesn't appear to be showing it though.

Would you mind verifying why and then adjusting the points accordingly?
197youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Sun, Dec 19, 2004, 14:59
the play in question is:
Jason Peters, 0 Yd blocked punt return (Rian Lindell kick is good), 3:37.

Rotoworld has only scoring for blocked kick returns (and no blocked punt-returns) which are in affect in our league. for me the above play is a blocked kick (a punt is also a kick because the foot of the punter is involved).

if Rotoworld isn't correcting it until tomorrow, I'll adjust the points so that they should be ok after the Monday Night Game.
198youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Sun, Dec 19, 2004, 19:50
scoring after 14 games (my personal calculations +/- a few points):

RQFL #1 Bowl
WiddleAvi 77.52 (E. James, D. Clark, R. Harrison)
IAC 107.6 (M. Vanderjagt)

Toral 73.48 (D. Patten, R. Wayne, R. McMichael)
THK 71.86 (C. Dillon, D.Branch, M. Stover)

Toilet Bowl
Species 77.2 (C. Chambers)
dwfffan 75.92 (C. Taylor, T. Heap, D. Freeney)

Slowhand 81.9 (P. Manning)
ArtOfMonk 103.4 (T. Brady)

very close games and very low scoring compared to the last weeks where a lot of teams reached 100 easily
199WiddleAvi
      ID: 39401623
      Sun, Dec 19, 2004, 19:55
I'm an idiot for not starting Volek.
200loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Sun, Dec 19, 2004, 23:19
i wish that you had benched volek last week!!
201I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 00:36
I certainly don't wanted to count my chickens before their hatched; but it appears like there is a large possibility that I may be facing Fantasy Thugs (THK) in the finals.

As much as I'd like to win, I only wish to do so in a fair and competitive way. Which brings me to my point:

THK hasn't made a roster adjustment since week 12. I realize that maybe, it might be because he's content with his team; but this week he had Chris Brown in his starting roster, even though it was well publicized that A.Smith would get the start.

While I find it quite remarkable that an unmanaged team can make it to the finals, I would ask the commisioner, what he might do if a similar occurance where to happen next week?

I personally would put up no objection to the commisioner using his powers to make a roster change for my opponent if a similar situation should arrise.

The only problem with this scenario however is, what would happen then if THK were to win with the help of the commish? Would he really deserve a place among the Gurus just because he drafted well?

Of course this currently is a "what if" scenario; but I bring it up now, so that the league can come to a prompt decision if necessary. And THK, if you are indeed still managing your team, then don't take this post the wrong way.
202Bandos
      ID: 29552911
      Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 08:08
in the dumb luck category: I would have outpointed every playoff team so far this week.

2 int....
203youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 10:16
Bandos - when I look at the stats here are the top5 this week:

loki 145.92
PanchoVilla 134.9
IAC 120.08
Bandos 119.16
YR 115.62 (NE Def, injured DL)

interesting to see that 4 of those 5 lost their playoff game last week and all (pending 5pts of NE Def) would have won the exact same matchup this week. now you all know who got lucky last week.
204Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 10:48
Where were Fatpepper, Bettis, Taylor and Burleson last week when I needed them?
205Bandos
      ID: 29552911
      Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 11:11
or maybe we all got lucky this week :)

Overall though, I have to say that a playoff system seems a flawed - is it done differently in other leagues?

It is exciting however - any one and your done is always exciting!
206TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 18:50
Haven't looked at this league too much because I wasn't really captivated with Rotoworld to say the least. I find it very funny my team may make the finals and will make changes to my team accordingly. It will all work out as it should by the end...

THK
207wiggs
      ID: 311101715
      Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 18:53
THK, not a big fan of rotoworld either. Probably will not ever play another league run by them again.
208loki
      Dude
      ID: 4211201420
      Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 20:54
The sole purpose of playoffs in professional sports is to maintain fan interest by postponing the elimination of teams, and therefore to generate more income. The purpose of playoffs in these leagues is to mimic the professional leagues, not to determine the best team. I believe that most of us in this league joined not only for the competition, but also to garner an invitation to RIFC 2005. The best teams can be eliminated early in the playoffs and lose their chance for that invite. Of course early elimination could also happen to a number one seed in the NFL, but that would be much less likely.
The point that I am getting to is that Guru should condider inviting the winner of the regular season as well as the winner of the playoffs to RIFC 2005.
On another subject I thought that after a few initial glitches the Rotoworld site ran quite well, and overall I was happy with it. As long as one understood and followed the rules there should have been no major problems. My one problem did occur when I misinterpreted the rules when the week began on a Thursday and could not pick up a free agent.
209I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Tue, Dec 21, 2004, 00:46
Well it looks official... the 7th and 8th seeded teams are going to the finals to fight it out.

I do agree with Loki that the team that wins the regular season should get some sort of "reguarde" also, but at the same time... they are normally suppose to get an easy draw, as their reward for finishing the season in first. 1 vs 8, then 1 vs 4/5... nobody said winning a division against this competition would be easy. :)
210TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Tue, Dec 21, 2004, 12:11
My 2nd RB slot will bring the end of my run...

THK
211Toral
      ID: 22731114
      Tue, Dec 21, 2004, 14:46
Congrats, THK.

The best team won. Despite my lineup-making ineptitude, THK would have won anyway if we had each started our best lineups.

Toral
212art of monk
      ID: 279122616
      Tue, Dec 21, 2004, 17:14
What about the toilet bowl winner. What do I get? I had fun except for my team's meltdown. I believe I was 5-1 and then didn't win another game until week 12 or something. I do leagues like this one for fun and to learn from other owners, so I can win my big money leauges with my buddies. Thanks for the help this year, I think I cleared about $150 in one league, but I lost to the #8 team in the league by 4 stinking pts. I hope to be invited back next year.
213WiddleAvi
      ID: 39401623
      Tue, Dec 21, 2004, 23:22
Well I just want to say that I had a great time in this league. Thanks to all of you for making this a competitive and enjoyable season.

On a side note - after the few days it took to get used to rotoworld's site I was fine with it and would use it again.
214I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Wed, Dec 22, 2004, 22:51
Just an FYI to YR... this is the current waiver wire order according to Rotoworld:

1 wiggs
2 dwfffan
3 Ric Flair's slap!
4 Slowhand
5 New York Titans
6 Endangered Species
7 ArtofMonk
8 Weedeaters
9 youngroman's Luschen
10 Fantasy Thugs
11 I_AM_CANADIAN
12 Toral Bills
13 WiddleAvi's Dolphins
14 Bandos

I believe it may need to be adjusted after waivers go through.

It should show:

1. ThK
2. IAC
3. Dwwwfan
4. AoM
216I_AM_CANADIAN @ Work
      ID: 364563113
      Thu, Dec 23, 2004, 11:20
Looks like you wont have to redo the waivers... I'm the only one who put in claims. :)
217youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Thu, Dec 23, 2004, 12:24
IAC - I noticed that earlier today, but was too busy at work to post here. Good luck this week and I hope you win, because then I can say I lost to the winner of our league.
218I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Mon, Dec 27, 2004, 00:41
Well it looks like it's going to come down to the wire this week.

According to Live Scoring:

Playoffs:

IAC: 93.79 (1) + Torry Holt
THK: 98.88

Toilett Bowl:

AoM: 108.3
dwfffan: 90.62

So... As long as Holt gets me 5+ points I should have the championship! I like me chances!
219youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Mon, Dec 27, 2004, 07:59
IAC 93.8 + Holt (11.8 average)
THK 99.88

dwfffan 93.88
ArtOfMonk 115.4

congratulations ArtOfMonk for winning the Toilet bowl!
the other game is a tough one. at the moment IAC chances are a bit higher. THK can only hope that Holt does not score a TD.

a short side-note from my perspective: this week I would have easily topped 130 pts with my team (the maximum output would have been at over 170 pts). ouch, this really hurts! If I only could exchange 300 of my regular season points for a win in the first playoff week.
In my opinion the playoff format needs a change. the problem is that we only have 16 weeks and a maximum of 3 weeks to complete the playoffs.
possible solutions:
a) play a doubleheader in playoff weeks 1 and 2 and you are out when you lost your 2nd game (double elimination). seeding the opponents would be a problem in this format. in week 3 the championship game can be played.
b) points of playoffs week 1 and 2 are totaled and the top 2 teams play for the championship in week 3.
c) in addition to b) add the regular season average to that total, so that a team with a better regular season has a slight advantage.
220youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Mon, Dec 27, 2004, 15:10
my week 14 lineup has scored 102.6pts with McNabb still to go and my 6 healthy bench players scored 119.2pts with Arlen Harris to go. my ouch is getting bigger and bigger.
221THK @ Family
      ID: 311472621
      Mon, Dec 27, 2004, 19:51
Whew...going to need some help from Philly to hold Holt down a little this week. Hopefully Bruce takes all the points! #2 RB killed me just as I expected...

Great job IAC no matter what happens.

THK
222I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Mon, Dec 27, 2004, 21:16
Let's go "Big Game"! (Watching Anxiously)
223THK @ Family
      ID: 311472621
      Mon, Dec 27, 2004, 23:45
Nice job IAC. You win by a few...

THK
224I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Tue, Dec 28, 2004, 00:20
I was actually pretty scared. Holt fumbles late in the 4th quarter but luckily he recovers his own fumble on his stomach. Then a few plays later he recovers Bruce's fumble which puts in enough seperation to seal the win.

According to Live Scoring:

IAC: 103.3
THK: 99.88

Good game THK! It certainly was exciting for me. I'll be posting a small recap shortly.
225THK @ Family
      ID: 311472621
      Tue, Dec 28, 2004, 00:29
Damn...that Holt fumble had me pumped, but oh well.

Good luck in the real deal next year IAC.

THK
226 I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 2610182010
      Tue, Dec 28, 2004, 00:47
Firstly. I'd like to congratulate THK on making it to the finals. You certainly had some great drafting to get you there. I on the other hand... got there through slightly different means:

Of the 12 starting players on my team in Week 16, only half of them were originally drafted by me. Also, my team lacked a single player that lead my team. Not a one managed to accumulate 200 points through their first 15 regular season games!?

Players who severely disappointed:

K.Barlow, T.Henry (via Trade), L.Coles, C.Pennington, L.Suggs/W.Green - With drafting like that; who needs enemies?

I started out the season 3-0 and was feeling quite confident. Then reality set in. I made a bad trade (Joe Horn & Cowboys for Travis Henry & Broncos), due to Suggs being injured. This set me way back and I proceeded to go 1-4, bringing me to 4-4 at Midseason. From here I started getting the feel a for my team's the weaknesses and started showing some foresight.

My Avg for weeks 1-08 = 98.94 ppg
My Avg for weeks 9-15 = 129.35 ppg

Then these three weeks worth of moves set me up for my playoff run:

Week 8 - Waiver Claim - Buffalo Bills : Picked up specifically for the playoffs.
Week 9 - Waiver Claim - Takeo Spikes : Used as trade bait for next...
Week 9 - Trade - Michael Pittman : Gave up M.Rob & Spikes for the man that would anchor my RB core for the rest of the season.
Week 9 - Waiver Claim - Eddie Kennison : From week 9-15 he's brought me 17 ppg.
Week 10 - Waiver Claim - Byron Leftwich : From my Rationals: "I just want him (Palmer) to cover my bye week, and hope that Pennington stays healthy. If he doesn't.... I may be regretting not picking my backup earlier." sooo... guess what happened? Yup Penny gets injured! Towards the end of the season it was almost a "wash" between the three.

As mentioned before, although I've been playing fantasy sports for years, this is my first year playing fantasy football. I've found it to be, one of the most complex fantasy experiences I've ever played, and I consider this season as a great learning experience. Hopefully, I'll take what I learned from this year and put it to good use next year, up with the "Big Boys" in the RIFC.

That being said, I'd like to mention in parting that I found this league's managers to be a good group of guys. Overall, you showed a very competitive attitude. Lots of movement on waivers and FA wire, and certainly the most active group of "posters", of the three qualifier leagues.

See you around on the boards.

:)
227youngroman
      ID: 221118186
      Tue, Dec 28, 2004, 09:57
congratulations IAC, that was close!

here are your 2 winning plays. if one of these two would have failed THK would be the man.

3rd quarter:
1-10-PHI49 (2:15) M.Bulger pass to T.Holt to PHI 34 for 15 yards (D.Wynn).

4th quarter:
2-15-PHI15 (7:08) M.Bulger pass to T.Holt to PHI 8 for 7 yards (M.Lewis). FUMBLES (M.Lewis), and recovers at PHI 8. T.Holt to PHI 8 for no gain (M.Ware).

also congratulations to THK for making the title game that close. I suppose that you will also get an invitation to RIFC next year.

show the guys in the big league how this game is played.

I will post a recap of my season and some statistical analysis when I'm back home.
228Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Tue, Dec 28, 2004, 11:36
Players who severely disappointed:

K.Barlow, T.Henry (via Trade), L.Coles, C.Pennington, L.Suggs/W.Green - With drafting like that; who needs enemies?


--IAC, post 226

Tell you what, IAC, I drafted nearly all of those guys in RIFC. I didn't have Suggs, but I had the rest. I also drafted Kennison, whom you mentioned was a waiver pickup for you. As you can see, a disatrous draft doesn't guarantee failure. As I have learned once again this year, you have to be active on the wire.


229wiggs
      ID: 2311312214
      Tue, Dec 28, 2004, 12:12
Congrats to IAC, you played a great season. Hope to see you around in another league.
230youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Tue, Dec 28, 2004, 17:05
first some stats. all stats are based on the regular season.

average points per position:
QB 16.8
RB 13.1
WR 9.6
TE 6.7
K 8.6
DL 5.0
LB 7.9
D 9.6

average 9.8

points per team:
pos youngroman Wiggs dwfffan Toral WiddleAvi loki PanchoVilla IAC Species THK Bandos ArtOfMonk Tree Slowhand
QB 294,7 178,0 159,9 209,9 132,7 194,2 296,3 158,3 143,1 197,6 185,2 193,5 145,0 318,5
RB 358,6 160,9 235,6 400,7 413,9 352,5 330,0 300,0 334,6 325,5 289,0 314,3 342,2 225,8
WR 365,4 329,8 310,4 358,1 409,8 376,8 271,5 366,9 311,6 295,7 378,8 263,6 389,0 394,1
TE 139,0 56,4 65,5 95,5 70,6 43,7 46,3 107,9 80,6 105,8 139,2 66,9 52,7 54,0
K 87,0 122,0 81,0 107,0 78,0 102,0 126,0 110,0 91,0 97,0 104,0 87,0 140,2 107,0
DL 62,0 46,0 52,0 45,0 62,5 67,0 50,5 82,5 57,5 76,5 58,5 82,0 53,0 47,0
LB 208,5 153,5 189,5 182,6 206,4 148,0 220,0 192,0 193,5 186,0 199,0 226,4 180,5 155,3
D 138,0 88,0 87,0 107,0 146,0 163,0 76,0 124,0 139,0 134,0 153,0 83,0 62,0 111,0
sum 1653,2 1134,6 1180,8 1505,8 1519,9 1447,2 1416,6 1441,7 1350,9 1418,1 1506,7 1316,7 1364,6 1412,8
avg 127,2 87,3 90,8 115,8 116,9 111,3 109,0 110,9 103,9 109,1 115,9 101,3 105,0 108,7

rank based on points per team:
  youngroman Wiggs dwfffan Toral WiddleAvi loki PanchoVilla IAC Species THK Bandos ArtOfMonk Tree Slowhand
QB 3 9 10 4 14 6 2 11 13 5 8 7 12 1
RB 3 14 12 2 1 4 7 10 6 8 11 9 5 13
WR 7 9 11 8 1 5 13 6 10 12 4 14 3 2
TE 2 10 9 5 7 14 13 3 6 4 1 8 12 11
K 12 3 13 6 14 8 2 4 10 9 7 12 1 6
DL 6 13 10 14 5 4 11 1 8 3 7 2 9 12
LB 3 13 8 10 4 14 2 7 6 9 5 1 11 12
D 5 10 11 9 3 1 13 7 4 6 2 12 14 8
sum 1 14 13 4 2 5 8 6 11 7 3 12 10 9

here my draft picks and main waiver-additions (format is pick - Name - rank at position - note):
1 Ja. Lewis - #26 - i knew he would miss 2 games, but I don't calculated with his injury. I got only a few games out of him. was definitely not worth a 1st rounder this year
2 D. McNabb - #3 - he had his outstanding games and some average ones. overall I got the value I was hoping for
3 S. Moss - #24 - I thought he would see more action in the Jets offense. turned out that he was not the go-to-guy this year. I will not draft him next year unless he falls to round 5 or 6
4 W. Dunn - #16 - got me some good games when he was healthy. ATL had the best running offense, but they did this with 3 backs (Duckett, Vick) and he is only one of the scorers. he was worth the 4th round pick
5 NE defense - not that good as I hoped, but not that disappointing. I had no headache what defense I should play any given week. NE it was.
6 R. Smith - #10 - who would have thought that he will go back to his old days and score like that. he will get drafted higher next year
7 Z. Thomas - #16 - led the fantasy-league at his position until he got injured. I would pick him again at this position.
8 J. Plummer - #7 - great pick, he even got some starts when I thought McNabb would struggle and I was right. He will go earlier next year. good combo with Rod Smith
9 STL defense - #29 - what a bust, after NE bye week they were gone and I finished the season with 1 defense. who cares about a backup defense when you have NE.
10 T. Glenn - #85 - top 30 receiver until he got injured for the season, good pick for round 10 without an injury
11 A. Davis - #80 - see T. Glenn
12 M. Williams - #51 - I thought he could get me some fill-in-starts for Jamal, but it turned out that he was injured all season and never got an opportunity at RB
13 M. Pollard - #13 - I thought he would see a bit more action, but it turned out that he had a tough competition in Dallas Clark. he only started 2 games for me. Thanks go to Antonio Gates
14 E. Hartwell - #56 - Ray Lewis was to aggresive, so he didn't get the tackles I hoped for. He was gone quickly
15 A. Gates - #1 - STEAL !!! I started Pollard in week 1, and he had a great game. From that point on he was a lock at TE and Pollard was injury/bye week insurance
16 A. Archuleta - #28 at DB - he also had his injury problems and had to go
17 J. Nedney - 0 pts - got injured before the season started. good that it was only the kicker and only the 17th pick.
18 A. Smith - #44 - gamble pick if C. Brown would suck, turned out that he was a good scorer in the second half when I already dropped him
19 G. Wistrom - #71 - I got what I was waiting for: a defense lineman. he had his injured troubles during the season but was a top20 DL when healthy. Marques Douglas was a good standin for him
20 A. Pinner - #80 - gamble pick that didn't work

R. Droughns - #9 - week 5 pickup, before his first great game, where of course he was sitting on my bench. that is the value that you get when you have the lowest waiver priority because you are leading the league. He carried my team for a few weeks or to say it in TSN-terms: chooo-chooo!
E. Parker - #36 - week 7 pickup, he had great games in the second half. thanks to Drew Brees for playing this remarkable season and throwing the ball to Parker and Gates for a lot of yards and TD.
M. Douglas - #13 - week 7 pickup, for injured Grant Wistrom. he produced equal value
J. Galloway - #52 - week 8 pickup, he was one of the hottest receivers since November.
L. Briggs - #7 - week 8 pickup, turned out to be a LB-stud. he proved me that at IDP there are a lot of good options out there on the waiver wire. this will change my draft strategy for next year (unless we start more IDPs)
N. Goings - #19 - week 11 pickup, he is a 2nd round pick if he is a starter. more to say? no.
TJ Houshmandzadeh - #28 - week 11 pickup, a stud in the last few weeks

it turned out that I dropped only 4 drafted players (STL, Hartwell, Smith, Pinner) because of bad performances and 6 because of injury (Glenn, Davis, Williams, Archuleta, Nedney, Wistrom). what a hell of a draft!

this was my first roto-football season after playing smallworld/TSN for a few years. be prepared for next season. now I know how to play in this league: get 7th place in the regular season and kick all of those top-teams out of the playoffs. A lot more fun than dominating the regular season and then lose the 1st playoff game.

I hope I see a lot of you next season. Have fun watching the NFL-playoffs and possibly I see one of you in one of the RIFB-baseball-leagues.
231youngroman
      ID: 298482214
      Wed, Jan 19, 2005, 15:57
got an e-mail from rotoworld today:

Dear Rotoworld.com Fantasy Footballer:

Thank you for using the Rotoworld.com Fantasy Football Commissioner Service this past season. We especially appreciate your business in that this was our first season offering the service.

Wasn't it a great fantasy football season? Peyton Manning with all the touchdown passes. Drew Bennett an unlikely fantasy hero late in the season. And who was smart enough in your league to draft Curtis Martin after his disappointing 2003 season?

Many leagues have asked about next season. Great news! We plan to offer the same pricing model in 2005 that we offered this past season - free service with an option to pay for live scoring. If you did not use the live scoring feature this past season you missed out on a great feature. No worries. We'll offer a free trial of the live scoring for the first few weeks next season so you can check it out.

We are going to add a bunch of features for the 2005 season based on the feedback we received in the survey we posted on the league web sites during the season. Stay tuned and check out the web site for details.

Your league web site will remain available to you all off-season. In May we will post instructions on the league web site explaining how to get ready for the 2005 season. That will include instructions about how you can carry over players from 2004 to 2005 in case you are a keeper league. We will archive the final standings from the 2004 season so you will have access to that data in the future.

One of the features that leagues have asked about is whether we can score the league for the NFL playoffs. We don't have that capability on the site for this season. However, we will definitely add it for next season. That way your league can continue enjoying the fantasy football experience on Rotoworld.com all the way through the Super Bowl!

If you have any questions about the 2005 season or if you have any suggestions for enhancements or improvements, please use the Help > Contact Us page within your league web site to contact us. I will personally read all the feedback.

Again, thank you for using the Rotoworld Service this past season. I look forward to a great 2005 season with your league.

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