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Subject: League #1 Position Draft
Posted by: RBP
- [5859283] Mon, Jul 04, 2005, 23:33
Ok, step one is done, the bones have been rolled and were ready to start selection what position you want in the draft. When you pick coppy and paste in the order and put your name next to the pick you want. Here is teh initial order for league #1
1) 93 Edneck
2) 84 Joe (37 roll #2)
3) 84 Lost Reality (34 roll #2)
4) 79 Clyde
5) 75 RBP
6) 74 Shak
7) 66 2 Cool
8) 56 TB
9) 53 Tribe
10) 49 Reaper
11) 45 STB
12) 39 TrashHaulers
13) 29 Cobb
14) 26 Harmon
15) 13 CPSanders
16) 7 SupaMario
17) 6 HHH
18) 2 FNAS
After Ed picks it's onto Joe and so forth and so on until FNAS getst he last slot. Then we'll reverse and do league #2. Get it on. |
| 1 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Mon, Jul 04, 2005, 23:35
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Ed cut and paste the order and insert your name into the position you want (show everyone how it's done). Thanks
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| 2 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 09:46
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Can't see any reason not to get the top pick since I have the last selection in draft #2
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| 4 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 18:03
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Am I missing something?
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| 5 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 18:06
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Not sure what your talking about FNAS...Missing what, it's Joe's turn to pick a position, I picked position #1 and he gets to select next?
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| 6 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 18:23
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Well you answered my question. I was under the impression it would move a lot faster based on the concern that I can't access the site from work.
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| 7 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 18:28
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It's tough when we are all in different time zones and working different hours. That's why I suggested we start early on the drafting because It always takes longer then we think. All it takes is two or three guys to wait 12 hours and you have a delay. getting everyone together at the same time on a Weekend is not going to happen.
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| 8 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 19:19
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Little surprised Ed took #1, I figured he'd take some radical gamble and pick 8 or something like that. We'll see if it pays off. Joe Joe Joe, where art thou?
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| 9 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 19:22
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RBP,, That's not so radical.. I've been thinking about that for the 2nd.
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| 10 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 20:00
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Joe its your pick for position, copy and paste the list when you chosen!!
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| 11 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 20:06
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Scotty, I could get hit with a run but getting a top notch running back is the name of the game and I can work wonders with back to back picks. Not so radical, LT's bye is week 10, Holmes week 3 and Alexander is week 8. I'll take LT and 9 straight weeks playing. I know Shak said last year to load up on early bye weeks, but I don't buy that theory. I like the theory of spreading out the bye weeks. Still I have to wait 36 picks and that will kill me!!!
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| 15 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 21:01
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When I say radical I mean against conventional wisdom. Most people if given the choice would settle on #1 because it's safe and hard to second guess against (people don't like being second guessed or looking like they don't know what their doing).
But by picking from the 10 spot you might get a guy who is top 5 talent that has free fallen into your lap at a bargain. The bargain is reallized when you pick again 19 picks later as opposed to 36 picks later. At #1 it's hard to get a player who is "undervalued" per se. If LT outscores the league by a massive amount of points then picking #1 is justified. If he is closely followed in points by 5 other RB's then odds are the guy who picked that RB the later in round 1 also paired that RB with a better player in round #2. Now I have a headache but if you can sort through that mess I just typed you may see what I'm TRYING to say.
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| 16 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 21:02
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Good point Jim, let's do it.
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| 17 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 21:29
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Scotty I gave my opinion on the WOF deal. I think your doing the correct thing..I don't think it was done on the sly. I thought about #9,10, but I pick last in the next draft and I guarantee I will pick from 14-16. Thus I've been burnt in the past sliding down and Figured I would play it safe this draft, LT/Holmes/Alexander will probably be a lot better then 13 of the next 17 players drafted. I'm sure 1 or 2 of the backs taken in the top 15 will surpass expectations, I might not select the right one and in this format gambling is risker then playing it safe...I know a big sissy!!!
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| 18 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 22:05
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Ed I would take #1 too, i would not take #2 though.
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| 19 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 22:05
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Yep me too Ed. I thought of a dozen different options but I figure in draft 1 I'll get plenty of chances to gamble.
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| 20 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 22:23
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Instead of thinking about spot 10, what about 5 or 6? Like Scott said, unless LT outscores the league by a huge amount of points, getting the quicker turnaround could be a difference maker.
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| 21 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 22:31
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Exactly FNAS, There are times to gamble and times to play it safe. You get the chance to pick #1 you take it!! I thought of dropping down to get Manning, but I took Culpepper @13 last year and he did keep me in till near the End, but If I had had a top RB to go with Westbrook I would have won it all. The guy that took Manning last year in the first round didn't last long. We did have a few rookies last year who made some werid picks, I don't think we will have thqat luxury this year. Every pick will be critical this year, who gets that diamond in the rough!! Gates, Muhammad, Bennett....
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| 22 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 22:40
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Mike, I don't see much difference in RB's from 5-10 all are capable of going large. Do you gamble or not is the question!! Back to back picks is nice and that makes taking #1 or 18 not that bad a slot. If I take a guy in the 5-6 range I better get it right or I'm in trouble. I not saying i'm right, I'm saying why put yourself in that situation if you don't have too!!!
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| 23 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 22:46
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I am just thinking that LT is nice and all, but taking CuMar or Barber at 4-5 and on the rebound taking an mid tier QB or WR or lower RB might be better. This is all pretty much a crap shoot without adds/drops or trades anyway. The only thing you can garantee is bye weeks. Injuries will take their toll on all of us before the end of the season and the winner will probably have his top 4 uninjured. Either that or find a diamond in the rough who comes through.
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| 24 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 23:12
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There's a pretty big difference between LT and CMart/Tiki. If the reason for dropping down 5-6 spots is to get a shot at one of the elite QBs (Manning, Culpepper, McNabb) it's probably wishful thinking--don't think any of the 3 last until pick 30. The reality is it might get you a shot at one of the elite WRs and every last one of them is inconsistent--that'll get you knocked straight off the rock in this league. Since I got knocked off the rock in something like week 2 or 3 last year I figure I qualify as an expert in what NOT to do. :-)
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| 25 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 23:21
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That's what I tell people when they ask me for marital advice. I am not always sure what to do, but I have a damn good idea on what you shouldn't do.
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| 26 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 23:37
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Great discussion going. I think picking 1 is the safe way to go. After that you could justify any position and make a solid case for it. They key is to have a plan, if you wing it you'll get what you get and that could be bad.
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| 27 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 01:07
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I don't see a HUGE difference between LT and CuMar. Obviously CuMar had a huge year and he is pretty old as far as RB's go, but I don't see anyone having a year like Holmes did a few years ago with all of the TD's. Heck, if Portis could pull his head out or Henry traded to a decent team, McGahee uninjured, and the list goes on. Going first just makes the picking easier. I just don't know if the risk is worth it, but I guess knowing you are going to pick damn near last in the other draft, you might as well go for number 1.
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| 28 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 01:18
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Clyde CuMar is a bad example.
Let's say LT, Holmes, Jam. Lewis, Ricky Williams (of old) and S. Alexander were all healthy and projected to be playing 16 games this season (no pot smoking, hold outs, jail time, surgeries etc lingering). If so I would certainly pick 5th and take whoever fell to you at the 5 spot and pick again in round 2 before the other 4. This season I'm not so sure who will go #2 but I can assure you who will go number 1 in both.
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| 29 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 01:26
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I agree with a bad example, but I can see you see my point. I still think you can predict the top three to say the least. There are a few mock drafts out there and from what I have seen, it has been pretty consistant. Not that I am doing research or anything...hard at work!!
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| 30 | Joe
ID: 4652283
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 02:58
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Sorry it tokk so long guys...been a little busy here
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| 31 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 03:53
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Lost Reality is up. Travis, LL, Budman--somebody wake the old crusty MSgt up and get him going. Clyde is in the hole but probably sleeping.
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| 32 | LR
ID: 0517283
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 05:32
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| 33 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 06:40
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Now were rolling. Clyde is sleeping, give him a few hours, he'll be on.
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| 34 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 06:41
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| 36 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 06:56
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| 37 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 08:38
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Interesting? You would only drop to #12 if you thought that 13 was the cut-off of pretty good RB's or you have a guy in mind. #5 is a strange pick to me, soley that the same kind of back will be available @6,7,8,9, Must be taking a QB or out of the top nine Rb's he really wants a certain guy? Joe I can understand, pick beside the Edneck and get a few freebies!! LR's choice was what I would have done with his pick if I couldn't make up my mind on a Player.
OK, you know I'm right!!!
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| 38 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 08:40
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Shak, "2Cool, then TB with the next picks
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| 39 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 09:04
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| 40 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 10:01
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RBP -- Are we going to work the 2nd draft? Haven't seen anything since post 15 on this thread.
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| 42 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 10:07
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League 2 Position Draft
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| 43 | 2 cool
ID: 0517283
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 10:23
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| 44 | Joe
ID: 4652283
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 10:40
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I still dont know who I am picking for the second pick, my decision is pending a current holdout.....but there are plenty of options.
What would Ajaye do?
"Reigning Playoff Champion"
Joe
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| 45 | TB
ID: 5809511
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 11:10
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| 46 | Tribe
ID: 0517283
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 11:24
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| 47 | Grim Reaper
ID: 75552821
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 14:20
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| 48 | TrashHaulers
Sustainer
ID: 5704895
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 18:32
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link to draft # 2 slot slection
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| 49 | STB
ID: 445542910
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 18:52
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| 50 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 19:06
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Good move Tim, that's what I would have taken a few picks ago. I know You guy's that didn't take #3 have a gameplan?
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| 51 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 19:09
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I do but it could quite possibly be flawed. I told him to take #4, that was my advice. 3 is good too, juicy RB's available there.
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| 52 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 19:38
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He had to go 3 with the stuff going on in Seattle. JMHO
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| 53 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 20:08
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3 is good. I chose 12 based more on my plan in round 2 and 3 and less to do with who would be there in round 1. I don't want the QB run to start after I make my 2nd round pick with 30+ picks between me and Stoney Case as my starting QB.
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| 54 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 20:12
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Yep, I have a gameplan and it has everything to do with the 172nd pick. I just don't think the player I have targeted would be there for the 178th pick. ;)
Truthfully, I looked at some mocks, some rankings, and last years survivor draft and liked the 2nd round options at pick 28 over pick 34. Holmes has durability concerns and Alexander is saying he won't play if they don't give him a long term deal. He will probably get his deal, but I wouldn't want to be the guy who drafted him only to watch him hold out of training camp and maybe even the season. Unlikely to happen, but it would be just my luck. Besides, we are doing two drafts so I might try one from the middle and one from the top or bottom.
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| 55 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 20:46
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Everybody seems to be staying away from the last third of the draft. Does everyone believe that picking there puts you at a disadvantage? I certainly thought so last year when I was picking 18th, but I lucked my way to the final week. Maybe if I picked 17th I would have won it all. :-)
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| 56 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 20:57
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Shak Luck? You said your gameplan worked to perfection last year. I can see the wisdom on staying away from 2-3, but they can payout bigtime. My gameplan is to get what's given to me in draft #2 and cheat off the smart guy in class..worked in high school!!!
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| 57 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 21:03
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I could live with any of the top 13 RB's on my board as my #1 guys, that was why I dropped down to where I'm at. You know I'm not taking a QB or a WR but some will. At 12 I project 9-10 RB's will be gone and that is fine with me. It is even possible that a player I really like will make it back to me in round 2 whcih I consider to have 1st round value. The more I think about it I prefer to be even lower, maybe in the 16-18 range. And as a side note it is completely possible that I have totally screwed the pooch. :-) Might even be probable.
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| 58 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 21:09
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I completely agree with you, Scott. If you want to snag 2 starting RBs, you pretty much need to be about 12-18. Is it better to have LT and Stephen Davis as your RBs or Dom Davis and Corey Dillon?
I wanted to be in the middle of the draft, but probably should have gone lower. I guess I panicked when I saw the run on the top spots.
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| 59 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 21:12
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Big Ed, are you kidding? I had no game plan last year. I just flew by the seat of my pants and came out smelling like a rose. Worked last year, so I'll probably do the same this year. Sometimes, guys overthink this game. I think it's 80% luck and the other 50% is talking smack.
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| 60 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 21:14
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But only if you really want to give it 130%...
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| 61 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 21:20
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Hey, I was a linguist, not a mathematician.
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| 62 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 21:27
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Now that I look at whats left I don't touch pick #4. Just me but after LT their is too much risk at the top. Not much difference between RB #4 and RB number 13. Now if you have your heart set on Peyton Manning the 3 slot is your only hope.
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| 63 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 21:30
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I had one Rb last year worth anything (Westbrook)and scored pretty well all season unitl the final 3 weeks. I would rather have a top notch QB, RB and WR/TE then 2 nice Rb's say Davis and Dillon and a lousy QB and average WR's. You can't upgrade that lousy QB? TE points last year were crazy!! Like Scotty says you can argue for every position. That's my problem I have 100% smack and 10% luck and skill.
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| 64 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 21:39
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At the end of the day it's getting the most out of the position you draft in. Nothing more, nothing less.
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| 65 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 21:46
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There just seems to be so many question marks with the top RBs, outside of LT.
Alexander -- holdout?
Holmes -- lose carries, getting old
Edge -- wants out of Indy?
Deuce -- injury?
McGahee -- coming off injury
DD -- will lose carries
Portis -- offensive line, injuries
Lewis -- injury, rust
I think you could pretty much throw all those backs in a hat and make a case for any of them going 2nd or 3rd. How do you choose between them? Is there a concensus on the top five RBs? Would anyone really be surprised if someone like Bell, K Jones, or J Jones ends up being the 2nd best RB? IMO, it's probably best to go QB or WR if you are picking near top.
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| 66 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 21:51
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What I want to see is who has the balls to draft Alexander. I'll bet positions 2 and 3 are in no hurry to draft.
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| 67 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 21:54
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How late does Ricky Williams fall? If you don't have a bye week until week 5, do you take a chance? 180 players drafted, yep he gets drafted but in what round?
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| 68 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 22:00
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Ed, you are brilliant! You would take a top-notch QB, RB, and WR/TE rather than two nice RBs? That's great! I would too, the problem is no one is going to drop an extra first round pick in our laps. With only 3 picks in the top 54, it could be rather tough to get top notch players in 3 different positions. Picking at 36 last year, you would have been looking at the #9 QB and #8 WR. Last year that was Tom Brady and Steve Smith. Nice players, but not top notch.
Ok, I guess I have met my 50% quota for the day. We still have 3.5 weeks to go! I don't know if I can make it that long.
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| 69 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 22:42
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Shak said, "IMO, it's probably best to go QB or WR if you are picking near top"
Amen brother preach it!
The WR run can start at #2 and run until the 10th pick or so. Kevin Jones is undervalued IMO in all formats.
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| 70 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 23:02
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I think if you are drafting 3rd and LT and Holmes are gone, you have to take Alexander or maybe Edge.
Rickijuana goes in the 6th round. There will be at least 40 backs taken before him, but he is picked before the 50th RB is taken. Just my guess.
Kevin Jones is going to have a great year, but I question his value above some other backs in a league that awards .5 points per reception. He caught 28 balls last year and with the receivers they have in that offense, I don't see him getting much more than that this year.
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| 71 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 23:12
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Shak, I'll lay low with the trash, I've already been kicked out of one league today!! I need this Survivor Fix!!!
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| 72 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 23:13
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LOL. Ed, I'm disappointed. I was expecting both barrells. How'd you get kicked out of a league?
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| 73 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 23:14
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Ed, I may have an opening in a contract dynasty league. You interested?
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| 74 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 23:17
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Sure thing, If the Trashman is in the league probably not, he hates me. Otherwise, Sure I'd love it! Let me know
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| 75 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 23:21
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Uhhh, I think he is........
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| 76 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 23:24
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Doh!
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| 77 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 23:26
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That how my luck is going this year, I never do well in odd number years. Lover's spat!! I don't kiss and tell!!!
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| 78 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 23:31
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LMAO!
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| 79 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 23:47
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Back on point. Trashman is up.
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| 80 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 23:53
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I can't seem to get away from this argument it goes with me everywhere:o)
I think you guys are missing the overall picture of things. You only have to beat one every week. It seems like you are all thinking like this is a head-to-head matchup. Sure immunity is nice, but it is only nice if you have a weak team or have a bunch of bye's coming up the following week. For the first say, 12 weeks, there will be teams that score under 50. Do you really need LT to beat 50? Nope. Do you need LT to make it to the big dance and win? Maybe, but you better have more than that going for you as well. Remember that these studs you are all ranting about may not even play much in those closing days. You may see more of the backups or even rookies out there if their teams are in or out of the playoffs.
Who hasn't responded to the Contract Dynasty league? Karl? He might be in the desert right now. Let me know and I can find out if he is there.
Ed, first off the rock!!
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| 81 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 00:09
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"Clyde First Off The Rock!"
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| 82 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 00:12
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I'm starting to get a complex with the amount of Love thrown my way. Scotty said it best, "It comes down to getting the most out of the position you draft in, nothing more, nothing less"
I'll take LT and anyone else and be happy!!
"Ed hugging the rock for dear life"
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| 83 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 00:17
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My new signature line is either.......
"Clyde First Off The Rock!"
or
"Mike Skiba, voice of reason"
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| 84 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 00:18
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Ed, I have nothing but love for you! But let the complex rage on!!
Watch it Scotty or I will include you in my vodoo hex!!
Ed, first off the rock!!
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| 85 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 00:31
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Do we really want to find Karl? It would be a much funner league with Ed.
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| 86 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 00:48
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Mike, I've read your post three times now and I still don't see your point. Are you saying it's better to have a balanced team rather than a stud with little else? If so, why did you select #5? You probably should have gone with a later pick. Are you also downplaying the stud RB theory? Are you going to surprise us with the #5 pick and take a QB or WR, even if Manning is gone?
Jeez, the guy wins one Survivor league and he starts talking like Jimmy the Greek.
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| 87 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 00:53
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I am not certain the "fun" is what I would call it:o) He will definitely keep you on your toes as a commish!! It is up to you about Karl, I am not making any commish calls other than the leagues I commish, that is enough believe me!!
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| 88 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 00:59
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I'm just thinking back to last year. He was very very late paying and he didn't do very much with his team.
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| 89 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 01:15
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I talked like the Greek all last season. I wasn't saying I had a theory at all. Just pointing out that you only need to beat one person each week. The reason I picked 5ht was because I did pretty decent from 4th last year. Alexander was a decent first pick and if he is there at #5, I will take him there contract or not.
1 - Alexander - 2 yds shy of top dog with 16 TD's
2 - Vick - 30 or 3 from week to week. Didn't play when it counted for the big dance
3 - Dunn - great season even shared at the end
4 - P. Price - waste of space
5 - C. Chambers - Not too bad, 7 TD's
6 - J. Fiedler - Benched, broken neck, etc.
7 - M. Muhammed - Diamond in the rough all season
8 - A. Vinateri - 20+ points in one week?? Phenom
9 - R. Ferguson - Terrible
10 - S. Morris - 6 TD's that is about it
I had 2 out of my top six that produced from week to week. Vick and Dunn didn't play much at the end due to locking up the playoffs. It maybe good to get the one or two better than average players, because my team last year had more holes in it than swiss cheese!! Only 5 out of my 10 were really worth anything. I only need to beat one each week and you know who it will be in week 1???
Ed, first off the rock!!
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| 90 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 01:29
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Wow, after seeing your team I think you were even luckier than me. You had a no-brainer at #1. Bad picks at #2 and #4. You won it all with one very good pick at #7 pick -- Muhammad. The rest of the picks were poor to average.
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| 91 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 01:38
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Can't believe that team won it all. Amazing.
The guy who won in 2000 had Tim Couch and Troy Aikman at QB!!!! At least he had Moss, Owens and a guy named Priest Holmes. You team doesn't look especially good but somehow it made it all the way. Go figure. Clyde I think you led in total points too so it wasn't a fluke.
I'll say this, if you can get 10 guys who are starters on their team your 1 step ahead of the rest of teh league. A few teams will be forced to draft a backup QB (no fun, I did it and it sucked). Some guys will draft rookies who end up being a bust. Some guys lose PT or get benched/waived/cut/retire. Those are just the breaks. If you can just keep 10 playing you should go far.
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| 92 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 03:56
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Yeah, looking back it wasn't great, but I did end up with a phenom for a kicker last year and Alexander had a great season. Just goes to prove that you don't need a team of studs to win. It would be nice but isn't necessary. I was also high scorer for the year as well. By over 100 I believe. Not too bad for having only half of your team doing anything.
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| 93 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 04:51
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I think Mike's team shows that IF you indeed have that one stud Like LT, Alexander all you need is a couple of consistent scorer's to add to his total and you got yourself a Weener!!
Dunn was nice early on in the season also. Basically we all know Mike and his trackrecord shows it was a fluke, so you too could get lucky with a limited amount of Skill.
Skiba first off the Rock!!!
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| 94 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 06:18
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"Basically we all know Mike and his trackrecord shows it was a fluke, so you too could get lucky with a limited amount of Skill."
Zing!!!!
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| 95 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 09:14
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OUCH, that was pretty good! Doesn't look too good in London right now. Prayers are going out.
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| 97 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 10:26
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Back on point. Trashman is up.
1) Ednecks
2) Joe
3) STB
4)
5) Superclydes
6) Tribe
7) 2 Cool
8) Lost Reality
9) TB
10) Shak
11) Grim Reaper
12) RBP
13)
14)
15)
16)
17)
18)
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| 100 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 15:13
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insert Jeopardy theme...
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| 101 | TrashHaulers
Sustainer
ID: 5704895
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 15:20
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Cobb is up.
1) Ednecks
2) Joe
3) STB
4) TrashHaulers
5) Superclydes
6) Tribe
7) 2 Cool
8) Lost Reality
9) TB
10) Shak
11) Grim Reaper
12) RBP
13)
14)
15)
16)
17)
18)
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| 102 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 15:27
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Harmon is up...
1) Ednecks
2) Joe
3) STB
4) TrashHaulers
5) Superclydes
6) Tribe
7) 2 Cool
8) Lost Reality
9) TB
10) Shak
11) Grim Reaper
12) RBP
13) GCobb
14)
15)
16)
17)
18)
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| 103 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 15:39
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I'm trying to get a hold of Harmon now. He gave me his preference for the other league, but not this one.
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| 104 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 15:47
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It will probably just fall in line now. I can't see anyone taking a lower spot right now, but I could be wrong.
Ed, first off the rock!!
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| 105 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 15:51
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I gave the corner a bit of thought but in the end decided I liked the prospects of a gift dropping in my lap at 13 a little better. Now I just need someone picking 1-12 to cooperate!
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| 106 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 15:53
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I guess nobody wants to pick 14-18. I thought GCobb would take 18 and show Shak how to win from that position. I know he was hoping for #4, but Buddy knows his stuff..Rubbing the Rhubarb baby, come on Buddy you know you can't stay mad at me forever!!!
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| 107 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 16:59
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"Now I just need someone picking 1-12 to cooperate!"
Better make that 1-11 because you will get no help from me :-)
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| 108 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 18:34
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1) Ednecks
2) Joe
3) STB
4) TrashHaulers
5) Superclydes
6) Tribe
7) 2 Cool
8) Lost Reality
9) TB
10) Shak
11) Grim Reaper
12) RBP
13) GCobb
14)
15)
16)
17)
18) Harmon
I talked Harmon into taking the 18th pick. Not as bad as everyone thinks. Hey, even I managed to parlay it into a 2nd place finish.
Next up is the human roadblock, I mean CPSanders.
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| 109 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 18:49
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Lemme check my mail, maybe he sent me his pick??
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| 110 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 19:10
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Shak
Well, speaking for myself, I can't tell you how much I appreciate you helping harmon pick. Do you charge any kind of fee and will this service be available during the draft?
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| 111 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 19:29
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No kidding, do you think you could talk to the rest of the league for me in the second draft to take the lower positions before me:o)
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| 112 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 19:41
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CPP hase been sent an email warning that the "Natives are Restless".
I think we have just caught him on a bad week. He stated to me a few days ago that he was in the middle of a PCS. I'm starting to get a little nervous and I want to avoid making a move in his stead without prior approval. Last year he was very active so we'll give him some more time.
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| 113 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 19:43
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I would have taken 18 also at this point. I've also been told that I must have been dropped on my head as a baby, so take that for what it's worth.......
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| 114 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 20:06
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RBP,
I would have as well but not with any help.
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| 115 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 20:18
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Shak Daddy is getting close to 50 so he's probably trying to mentor young Mr. Harmon (I have no idea how old he is for the record).
18 is the best of the lot at this point based on the fact that you'll get a better choice for the 2nd round. Back to back picks is also easier to manage your personal time around since you pick back to back then not again for a few "days".
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| 116 | Shak
ID: 45639719
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 20:47
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Well, if life begins at 40, I'm just a young pup. Actually, I didn't have to talk young Jeff in to taking 18. Personally, I like 17 or 16 because if you know the guys picking at 17 or 18, you can predict what/who they are hoping for. That helps you decide who to take on the way up and forecast who you can get on the way back down. Also, I much prefer the back half of the draft as opposed to the front half because, as Mikey put it, it's all about balance, rather than studliness. I may not have explained that very clearly, but it's crystal clear in my head. BTW FNAS, that little gem was free of charge. More free nuggets ahead.
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| 117 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 20:51
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I'm not assed up. I'm pushing 50 but $40 is $40. You pay to play.
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| 118 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 20:52
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Nothing wrong with private converstions about theories and drafting positions with a Bud! Unfortunately my Bud is CGobb and he would lie too me in a country second to get the upperhand. He did advise me to take #13, cuz I always do the exact opposite, you think he did the old reverse logic on me..Thanks Guz!!
Hey, I love CSanders, but get someone to make your pick, he told me he has connectivity...Craig I'm sure people are waiting to get a slot!!! Move it Chief!
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| 119 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 20:59
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Shak,,
You know what bothers me more? The fact that my waistline is scored the same as an 18 year old with this new fitness crap. Under the new BMI crap, I figure that out of the almost 1,000 NFL players, maybe 20 would score a perfect 30. I'm 72", 218 with a 36 inch waist. I bench 325, max out in push-ups and crunches but according to this new crap, I would have to weigh 178 lbs to get a max of 30 points. Hell I haven't weighed 178 since my sophmore year in high school.
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| 120 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 21:00
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Damn you boys are older then me, 46. I got my coffin already on order at Kmart. People who spend money on expensive stuff for a dead guy is crazy. I've givin my Wife instructions to Find the cheapest coffin and put me in my PJ's and flipflops and burn the damn thing quick.
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| 121 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 21:11
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Ed,
I said I was pushing 50. I didn't say I was about to fall over the edge. Your closer but not by much.
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| 122 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 21:23
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"I've givin my Wife instructions to Find the cheapest coffin and put me in my PJ's and flipflops and burn the damn thing quick."
I'll be back in an hour, need to go over to legal to amend my will. Classic!
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| 123 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 21:31
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You aren't kidding me about the BMI crap. I was reading it yesterday and figured that I need to weigh 160 pounds to get the full 30 points. I came in at 165 13 years ago. It just ain't going to happen. 69" and weigh 185 right now. Have scored a 95 first year on PT test and 82 this year. I didn't run for almost 4 months after PCS'ing here. Killed my run time and mangaged a whopping 4" gain in waist size!! I guess they will be taping me then. Stupid rule if you ask me. If you can do your alloted amount of pushup, situps and can do your run and pass, your waist or BMI or weight shouldn't matter. Fit to fight, not body fat. I can still max out on pushups and situps and make mid 10's right now on the run (after all of the practice I have been doing) and according to my BMI, I am overweight?? STUPID!! WRONG!! BTW, just turned 36, so I must be mid-pack or something like that.
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| 124 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 21:57
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I think they are missing what is important with this BMI stuff. Does a guy that is 74" 160lbs have the same endurance that I do in a chem suit for 14 hours? Hell he'll be down to 120 by the end of his shift. Can he carry his buddy for a couple miles if needed? I've been through them all. The 1.5 mile run era, the no fitness, it's bad on your knees era, the beginning of the bike test era where if you smoke just before the test, you would pass era, the ok, now no one can pass the bike test era, Fit to Fight #1, and now number 2. I think they were close to FF #1 but just made it rediculous with number 2.. What is the first factor in achieving a goal? It must be obtainable. The only way I will ever see the 170 range again is when I'm rotting in my coffin.
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| 125 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 22:41
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C'mon brother Ed...I wouldn't ever lie to you about anything important. :-) That crack about telling her to just put you in PJs and flip-flops is an all-time Edneck classic...ranks right up there with "never rub another man's rhubarb".
I think the BMI thing is intended to be a compromise for those tall people with the proportional waistlines that don't score well on the waif chart currently in use. My understanding is it's an either or type deal--whichever gives you the best score--so there's no downside to this compared to the previous. IMO, if they're going to offer the BMI as an alternative (that the majority of us will never be able to use) they should also be offering a pure body fat percentage measurement as well just to cover every possibile scenario where someone could be disenfranchised. Of course, as FNAS astutely pointed out, how 'bout we concentrate on the bottom line and get rid of the body composition crap altogether and just put people through the paces to see if they can hang...or not.
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| 126 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 23:35
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One of my favorite "Edisms" was:
"You aren't worth the steam off my piss"
I still roll everytime I think about it. The worse part was he was talking to me!! Too funny.
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| 127 | CPS by RBP
ID: 175571322
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 23:52
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Just got a message from him, HE LIVES!!!
1) Ednecks
2) Joe
3) STB
4) TrashHaulers
5) Superclydes
6) Tribe
7) 2 Cool
8) Lost Reality
9) TB
10) Shak
11) Grim Reaper
12) RBP
13) GCobb
14) CPS
15)
16)
17)
18) Harmon
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| 128 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 00:27
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Supa is up then HHH. FNAS's spot will be determined for him.
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| 129 | JHHH
ID: 16541281
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 05:38
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Is it time to relive the "You might be an Edneck..." jokes?
You might be an Edneck if your Mom hung you upside down on the clothes line upside to shape your head.
You might be an Edneck if the bluebook value of your demolition derby winning Mazda goes up and down, depending on how much gas is in it.
You might be an Edneck if in your very first fantasy football draft you listened to the magazine experts and picked Carl Pickens in the first round. (He ended up being the 31st best WR that year)
1997 WR Stats Link
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| 130 | Tribe
Donor
ID: 56840617
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 05:39
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Mike, you think you got it bad in the BMI area. I am 6'3", 75" I would have to weigh in at about 180 pounds!!! I would have to drop 35 pounds to get to that!! The worst part is my last baseline that I did they taped me at 34" waist. Which is pretty good! I scored an 83 on that. You have seen me eat. There is no way I'm dropping 35 pounds!
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| 131 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 06:15
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I keep hearing that either or thing for the BMI. Maybe I'm missing it. To me it says if you score 25 or over on the BMI, then you do the waist measurement. My point is, you still can not max out on points.
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| 132 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 08:10
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I'm hurt JHHH, I thought that the "Carl Slim Pickins" choice in 1977 was supposed to have been stricken from my record. I had only 15 Hinies before the draft. The Mazda 626 ran like a dream and so what if it looked like it was smiling at you coming down the road! I said my poor Mom had to shape my head, because it was under developed..premature about two months with extreme good looks. You boys just concentrate on the draft and your waistlines from the look of it and leave Ed's BigHEAD alone!!! He HE...You never hear from JHHH, only when He can bust on Old Ed!!!
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| 133 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 10:48
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FNAS -- Don't get me wrong, I agree the BMI measurement is flawed and I'm unsure why we tweak the program with a measurement as equally flawed as thinking everyone should have the same waistline regardles of body type and size. My only point is it's hard to argue the revised system is worse than before because you get max points if you can get under 25 on the BMI, otherwise you proceed with the waistline measurement as you normally would. There may be nothing to gain for most by including BMI because I don't know too many (other than those with an already microscoping waistline) who will get under 25, but it doesn't appears there's anything to lose either.
I'm with you. If you can do the run, pushup's, situp's, etc. then let's call it good and move on.
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| 134 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 10:52
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Back to football...I remember that first draft very, very well. Edneck learned lesson #1 of the fantasy football draft--don't get drunk during the draft. I learned lesson #2--it's all about the running backs. I figured since QBs scored the most points they should have the most value...drafted 4 in the first 4 rounds (to include Jeff Blake & Stan Humphries) and ended up with Ronnie Harmon as my top back.
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| 135 | JHHH
ID: 16541281
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 11:33
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I will be away from the computer for awhile. After Supa picks, just give me the highest pick available.
Cheers, JHHH
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| 136 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 18:17
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My drink was spiked!! The good old days when 12 ugly/beer guzzling/Sportsnuts, talking mucho trash, messing up my furniture and wife's niknaks!! I think gary invented the drafting phrase "Get ready your going to love this pick, it's the steal of the draft"..My 5th straight QB!! Now that's Classic!!!
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| 137 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 19:48
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GC,,
If they made max point more obtainable, more may be willing to try. Wouldn't that increase the effectiveness of the program?
Your right,, back to football,
RBP you are killing me.. Are you sure we aren't related. I have an a Houston Oilers and U of Texas EC jersey. This whole thing is starting to get a little concerning.
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| 138 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 20:49
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I think I have a disease of some sort, maybe a sickness. My favorite players are always RB's and LB's.
Funny I played neither in school. I was a QB in pony league and then a WR and CB the rest of my career (if you want to call it that).
Their is just something about Earl, with his style and how he punished the tacklers. Who was it, Bud somebody was asked why he didn't make EC run a mile with the rest of the team after practices. Bud said something to teh effect that football fields were only 100 yards long, but if it was 4th and a mile he'd give him the ball.
Back when I was smart I used to ask a trivia question about the 3 members of the Texas Hall of Fame at the capitol (not a sports hall of fame). I found it online years ago after a friend of mine from Texas kept telling me about it. The 3 guys?
Sam Houston, I think Stephen F. Austin and the Tyler Rose.
BTW the Buckeyes play the Horns at the Shoe this year, first time ever meeting and thankfully I'll be home on leave to see it.
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| 139 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 22:06
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Sounds like we've got a lot of Texas fans hanging around these parts. Should be a fabulous scene with Texas invading the shoe...Vince Young and Ted Ginn should put on quite a show. I was lucky enough to attend the Rose Bowl this past January and watch two of the most storied programs in college football history square off. It was even better that Vince Young put on a performance for the ages and the good guys won on the last play of the game. Hopefully the 'Horns go 2-0 against the Big 10. I really like the NFL but it just doesn't get any better than big time college football...the atmoshpere is incredible on game day.
Earl is without question the most dominating running back I've ever seen play. Absolutely punished people. Bo Jackson could've been up right up there but he didn't get to play long enough. The goal line collision between Jack Tatum and Earl is legendary...if you haven't seen that hit you really should.
Bum Phillips had all the cool quotes.
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| 140 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 22:30
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Everybody I know is a UT or OSU fan, just once I'd like to hear someone say, I love those Vanderbilt Commadores and rave about how they will win the SEC before they die!!
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| 141 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 22:33
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Yes Bum Phillips!
I have one thing for you Texas fans....
Teddy Ginn, a Ginn and a Ginn and a Ginn!
(Not like the drink but more like the word "again")
This kid is a PHENOM of the highest degree. Think D. Sanders without the smack talk. He will play a huge role in a Buckeye victory (hopefully). 8 PM start, National TV, Buckeye fans will have been drinking since 6 AM--The stage will be set for an instant Classic! I have lots of friends from Texas so it would be huge for a year of bragging rights.
Wouldn't be surpised in the Bucks win in 2005 and Texas wins at home in 2006.
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| 142 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 01:03
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Ginn is definitely a stud. Most folks are predicting a Buckeye victory because of the home field advantage. I don't think the home field will have much to do with it in Columbus or the following year in Austin because both teams are used to playing on the big stage in very hostile environments. Don't know too much about the rivalries in the Big 10 but I can tell you the Michigan fans I sat amongst were very civilized compared to OU fans and don't even get me started on A$M & Ark fans.
Here's what I know from the Texas side: Forget containing VY. Won't happen. He makes every defense he plays look stupid. Everyone tries to contain the pocket and make him pass and he still escapes and racks up yardage. Plus, he's a winner...17-2 so far. He'll get his.
From the Ohio St side: I'm reading they're going to line Ginn up all over the place to include on defense. The big play, especially on special teams, will be critical because the offense is fairly conservative.
The bonehead factor: Mack's teams don't always make adjustments to what's thrown their way. Case in point...Steve Breaston ripped 'em for a billion yards on kickoff returns in the Rose Bowl and they continued kicking it right to him. If they do that with Ginn he'll take it to the house.
IMO, the key to this game will be the QB play for the Buckeyes. Troy Smith will be coming off suspension and he'll need to knock the rust off by the end of the first quarter or J. Zwick better get a lot better in a hurry. If the bucks can get above average play from the QB it will be definitely be interesting and I think it favors the buckeyes. If they don't, they'll be lighting the tower orange in Austin.
That's the way I see it through my orange tinted glasses.
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| 143 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 02:03
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GC very good analysis! A few keys to the game through my scarlet tinted glasses.
1) Will the Horns be able to replace Benson? That kid was a horse, Texas must be able to run the ball.
2) How will Troy Smith play after the layoff? This kid is a natural leader on the field, the team loves him and he could try to do too much.
3) Big plays by Ginn. The place goes nuts when he touches teh balls because he can score from anywhere on any play. I hope they kick to him.
4) LB's from OSU must contain Young. No small task but like it or not this is the best line backing core in the nation led by AJ Hawk and Bobby Carpenter. Both project to be 1st round picks next season and they are worth the hype.
5) Nuge: Bucks lose 4 year starter Mike Nugent who has kicked many a game winner. I think Buckeye fans underestimate this fact.
On a side note Buckeye fans seem to look at Mack like *ichigan fans looked at John Cooper. Decent coach, great recruiter but can't win the big one. OU owns him and I believe he still has yet to win a championship on any level (is that true?). This is a HUGE game an instantly the winner will be out in front of the MNC race.
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| 144 | SupaMario
ID: 4652283
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 05:25
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1) Ednecks
2) Joe
3) STB
4) TrashHaulers
5) Superclydes
6) Tribe
7) 2 Cool
8) Lost Reality
9) TB
10) Shak
11) Grim Reaper
12) RBP
13) GCobb
14) CPS
15)
16)
17) SupaMario
18) Harmon
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| 145 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 05:35
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I will be away from the computer for awhile. After Supa picks, just give me the highest pick available.
Cheers, JHHH
1) Ednecks
2) Joe
3) STB
4) TrashHaulers
5) Superclydes
6) Tribe
7) 2 Cool
8) Lost Reality
9) TB
10) Shak
11) Grim Reaper
12) RBP
13) GCobb
14) CPS
15) HHH
16) FNAS
17) SupaMario
18) Harmon
That puts HHH at 15 and FNAS at 16. One down, two to go.
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| 146 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 12:09
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They can't replace Benson with one guy. It will be a TBBC thing and if they're ineffective it will make life pretty hard on VY.
John Cooper is a good comparison. And yes it's true he's never won a championship. In his defense, he didn't really have much of a chance to do so in his 10 years at UNC with Fla St standing in the way. Back then, Fla St was as good as it got. He's had his chances at Texas and the team simply hasn't been able to get it done. He's played for two Big12 championships, losing to a vastly superior Nebraska team about 6 years ago and then losing to Colorado in an absolute tank job when Chris Simms had an absolute meltdown. OU, of course, has just been too good the other years.
Most Texas fans see a change in the direction of the program and Mack's approach though. There has been a greater emphasis on accountability for both the players and coaches. I think Mack, who is normally loyal to a fault, realized his strength is not in the X's and O's, and the reason they couldn't hang with the elite teams had everything to do with getting outprepared and coached. He replaced underperforming assistant coaches last year with guys like Greg Robinson (def coord) and Dick Tomey (DEs) and the results were immediate. The Rose Bowl, even though Michigan had some weaknesses, was a "big" game that provided concrete evidence the "new" approach worked as the team didn't fold when they got down by 10 in the 4th. They kept fighting, and pulled out the win. Robinson left for a head coahing job at Syracuse and Mack replaced him with Gene Chizik (Auburn's def coord and assistant coach of the year last year). More concrete evidence Mack has realized that he needs superior assistant coaches.
So, I guess what I'm saying is it appears Mack woke up and smelled the coffee and looks to have made the proper moves to take the next step. We'll see how it works out.
I do have to differ with you slightly on the importance of this game. While I do agree that the winner is immediately vaulted into 2nd place in the NC race (behind USC), I don't think it will hurt the loser unless they get blown out (and I don't see that for either team). It's an early Sept game and there's plenty of time for either team to get back in the race. Fla St did this for years after their annual loss to Miami.
Many Texas fans are a little apprehensive about risking a loss by playing a team like Ohio St. I'm not. Even if they lose, they can recover, and my hope is Ohio St exposes whatever weaknesses the 'Horns have so they can tighten them up prior to OU. Beating OU, not Ohio St, is the key to Texas' season just as beating Michigan is the key for Ohio St.
Hook 'em!
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| 147 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 12:49
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I give you boys credit,you do know your College Football. The passion is evident!!!
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| 148 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 16:03
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Waiting to hear your analysis of the Kentucky Wildcats...football team that is. :-)
BTW, what was Randolph Morris thinking?
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| 149 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 11:22
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All I can say about the KY football program is: If the like's of Texas, thee OSU, and Florida would stop stealing/promises of girls and Cars, all those Kentucky prize recruits would have stayed home and we would have won three National Titles by now...That's the story I'm sticking with!!! KY's claim to fame "largest QB to ever play the game weighing in at a slimmed down 290 pounds Jared Lorenzen. Make's Culpepper look like a Punk!!
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| 150 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 18:54
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"thee OSU"
Thanks Ed for recognizing.
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| 151 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 01:36
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You may use the Paypal option to pay me. I'll also pay you if you win in teh same manner. Register at paypal and send me at..........
scott.mccoy@andersen.af.mil
Very easy to use and it's an outstanding tool considering we all literally all over the world.
$40 is the total, 100% of the entry fees go back to the winners, can't beat that.
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| 152 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 14:19
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Just some stats from this scoring formatlast year: Top thirty scorers! Just some geewizz stuff
Manning, Peyton 460.0
Culpepper, Daunte 456.0
McNabb, Donovan Q 359.0
Barber, Tiki 326.0
Alexander, Shaun 317.5
Favre, Brett 317.0
Green, Trent 316.0
Plummer, Jake 316.0
Tomlinson, L. 314.5
Delhomme, Jake 309.0
Martin, Curtis 303.5
Brees, Drew 296.5
Davis, Domanick 293.5
Brooks, Aaron 293.5
James, Edgerrin 285.5
Muhammad, Muhsin 284.5
Brady, Tom 282.0
Bulger, Marc 279.0
Gonzalez, Tony 272.0
Dillon, Corey 258.5
Gates, Antonio 258.0
Hasselbeck, Matt 257.0
Horn, Joe 257.0
Walker, Javon 253.5
Vick, Michael 252.0
Harrison, Marvin 245.0
Holt, Torry 245.0
Westbrook, Brian 244.5
Owens, Terrell 243.5
Carr, David 241.0
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| 153 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 16:36
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Look at Gates, he had a huge year and went undrafted by Suvivor I.
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