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Subject: League #2 Position Draft
Posted by: RBP
- [5859283] Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 21:06
Ok for league number two the order is reversed, 18 (FNAS) now has the first choice and so forth and so on until Ed is left with the scraps. Chuch follow the same procuders as in the other forum.
18) 2 FNAS
17) 6 HHH
16) 7 SupaMario
15) 13 CPSanders
14) 26 Harmon
13) 29 Cobb
12) 39 TrashHaulers
11) 45 STB
10) 49 Reaper
9) 53 Tribe
8) 56 TB
7) 66 2 Cool
6) 74 Shak
5) 75 RBP
4) 79 Clyde
3) 84 Lost Reality (34 roll #2)
2) 84 Joe (37 roll #2)
1) 93 Edneck
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| 1 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 21:07
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FNAS get it started when your ready, HHH is on deck.
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| 2 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 21:18
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HHH It's all urine. SuperMario on deck
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| 3 | JHHH
ID: 16541281
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 08:32
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SupaMario up...CPS on deck.
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| 4 | SupaMario
ID: 4652283
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 10:09
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| 5 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 20:48
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Low rollers are slow playing. Has the strategic play already begun?
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| 6 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 21:48
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I'm not sure everyone has figured out this one is already up and rolling.
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| 7 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 23:18
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I emailed him yesterday, he knows. He is also in the process of moving, just like me. Bare with him.
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| 8 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 23:26
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But we only have 24 days to go!
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| 9 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 14:45
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Hellooooooooooo. Anyone here??? My computer must not be working cause this link seems to have died.
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| 10 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 15:11
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Waiting patiently for the two folks in front of me to make their choice...same deal in league #1...been waiting on the trashman for quite some time over there.
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| 11 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 15:18
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Kind of like watching paint dry or a D-Rays game. Not like the trashman to delay. I'm sure he'll be here soon unless BigEd really hurt his feelings. Not sure about CPS. If he's in the process of moving, it could be a while.
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| 12 | TrashHaulers
Sustainer
ID: 5704895
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 15:32
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I posted my draft slot choice in league # 1 about 18 hours ago when I woke up. When I came home, my post wasn't there... don't know what happened... computer glitch??? Sorry fellas.
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| 13 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 15:37
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Not a problem, Buddy. I knew it wasn't like you to take long.
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| 14 | CPS by RBP
ID: 175571322
Thu, Jul 07, 2005, 23:51
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He made contact, here we go.
1)FNAS
2)CPS
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9)SupaMario
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| 15 | Shak, for my youngun
ID: 1911172611
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 00:03
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Harmon wanted to keep 18 available for Big Ed.
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| 16 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 00:04
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Cobb on the clock, Trash on deck.
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| 17 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 01:09
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I can't decide if Ednecks "lonely stud" theory or Shak's "more of less is actually more" theory is best so I'm hedging my bets and trying one of each.
1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
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Trash on the clock, STB on deck, & Reaper is where we all want to be--in the hole
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| 18 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 01:50
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"I can't decide if Ednecks "lonely stud" theory or Shak's "more of less is actually more" theory is best so I'm hedging my bets and trying one of each."
In standard redraft leagues I used a quasi combo of the "Stud RB/QB shuffle" theory. I load up on RB's from the get go, "horde them all" I say. Then at the end of the draft I draft two equally crappy QB's and maximize them by exploiting matchups. I have actually drafted RB's for 5 straight rounds before which raised some eyebrows. I don't call myself RBP for nothing (Running Back Pimp).
Earl Cambell is my favorite RB of all time btw.
In keepers leagues I start out my team the same way and build from there, or at least in theory.
But, big but, in Survivor none of those "theories" of mine work. Why? No trading, no transactions, no wheeling and dealing and utilizing the waiver wire. I am forced out of my element which isn't good. My friends it is ALL ABOUT the draft. It's all about surviving. I believe that Jon "HHH" Hobdy said that you only have to outscore 1 team a week, which is true. Once the draft ends all we get to do is watch the monster you created grow up and feast on the league (Clyde last season, never again) or die a quick pathetic death (AJAYE).
Last night bored out of my gord I read the previews for each week from last season, brought back some memories (good and bad). A few times teams listed as "safe for this week" got the boot, it happened to STB and me. We'll certainly do up each weeks preview again for both leagues and your more than welcome to join in the predictions/comments/trash talk etc.
That is all, go back to work.
"Clyde, first off the rock!"
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| 19 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 02:09
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The only thing about this is the draft Scotty!! Bye weeks are critical. That has to be the number one priority when drafting and then it has to be player potential. Not great if you happen to draft two stud RB's and they have the same bye week and you are out that week.
Safer is better in this league. Backups are another huge potential points. A. Green will get a ton of points each year, but if he goes down, Davenport will now be getting the points. Taking him in the 7th or 8th round could be the difference.
If one can average 80 points per week you should make it, it is the bye weeks that you need worry about, not whether or not you need two studs with the same bye week.
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| 20 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 02:14
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I agree. I had Foster when S. Davis went down. I had nobody when Foster got hurt. That right there ended my season because my bye week coverage went bye bye.
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| 21 | TrashHaulers
Sustainer
ID: 5704895
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 05:35
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1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
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9)SupaMario
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STB on OTC, & Reaper is on deck
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| 22 | JHHH
ID: 16541281
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 09:50
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If Big Earl is your favorite running back then at least give the Tyler Rose the respect he deserves and spell his name correctly!!!
If you've never been to his homepage go check it out...watch the intro and turn up your speakers!
Earl Campbell
www.earlcampbell.com
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| 23 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 11:21
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Yup I goofed. I love that run where he steps on the LB chest from the Rams.
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| 24 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 19:28
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Do we have an STB sighting??
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| 25 | Grim Reaper
ID: 75552821
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 20:50
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I'm aware I'm on deck...
Kris
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| 26 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 21:42
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Email has been sent to Tim. Kris if you get ready to go to bed for the night you can send me your pick, it's noon here so I'll have access for 12 more hours. Tribe is in the hole.
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| 27 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 21:51
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Whatever you do, just save 16 for me!
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| 28 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 21:53
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BS Alert, BS Alert, BS Alert
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| 29 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 22:00
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Ed, go to this site and check out the rules and let me know if you want to take over the Lateralus team.
Contract League
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| 30 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 22:01
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What are you hoping for, Scott??
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| 31 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 22:17
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12.
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| 32 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 22:20
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Probably more like 13.
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| 33 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 22:24
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Shak it won't let me access it with my ID. I'll be more then glad to play, just shoot me a official invite from the site and I'm in, football is football, no matter the rules.
Cheers
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| 34 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 22:25
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Email: leonhart@btopenworld.com
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| 35 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 22:26
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Any chance I get anything other then 16-17?
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| 36 | TrashHaulers
Sustainer
ID: 5704895
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 22:29
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RBP, I sent you an e-mail trade offer for WOF.
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| 37 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 22:34
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I got 16 in my sites. Aren't you hoping for 18, Ed?
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| 38 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Fri, Jul 08, 2005, 22:34
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Buddy I see it and I'm looking at it, should have an answer or counter offer today.
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| 39 | Grim Reaper
ID: 75552821
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 00:09
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RBP, please give me yur email address
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| 40 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 00:22
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Shak I didn't realize I was taking over a dead horse? I thought this was a new league starting and the owner backed out. I'm a little confused with the rules, it will take me years to bring that team alive? He has no RB's to hang your hat on? Looks like a waste of a 100 bucks to me? I guess that's why you said check it out first!!
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| 41 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 01:52
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scott.mccoy@andersen.af.mil
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| 42 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 03:31
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I have reapers pick after STB. I have to go to the airport and pick up my new troop (actually he'll be my boss for 30 days) so I'll check in late tonight and see if STB picked.
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| 43 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 08:24
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Ed, it really isn't a bad team. You have McNabb, Lamont Jordan, Chad Johnson, Joe Horn, Steve Smith, and Todd Heap as top of the line players. For RB depth you have Morris (who could be big if SA leaves), Ricky, Q, and the third pick in the draft. Not a bad team at all. You are right about it taking you a while to learn the rules. It is quite complicated, but if MIke could pick it up, I thought you would have no problems.
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| 44 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 08:24
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Plus you have a really dedicated commish in that league.
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| 45 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 09:35
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Shak I can understand the contract part and the rookie draft. A little confused with the bidding part and who you can actually bid on. Do you have a amount of money to bid with? The team is set at QB, WR and TE, but we all know you win this with Rb's...I'll work it and see what I can do, looks interesting to say the least. Once I get the hang of it, just like in Ultimate Baseball I'll figure a way to make a move towards the top. I'd rather draft my own team, since that's the most fun, but I'll give it a go and see how it pan's out for one year. I'm like the rest of the league, big time competitive. You just keep Mike and Trash in-line, they need a little mentoring to keep them out of trouble!! He He!!
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| 46 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 09:39
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S1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
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9)SupaMario
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STB on OTC, & Reaper is on deck orry, back with Survivor
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| 47 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 09:51
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Ed bring it, Clyde took a pathetic team and turned it into a contender in one season. If he can do that with his skills imagine what YOU could do.......
The bidding is easy btw. I won the title in 2004 but the bidding has allowed the lesser teams to steal some of my talent (lost Edge, that hurt).
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| 48 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 10:55
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I am so glad all of you notice my skills in the FF department. Arseholes!! Total domination from me this year in the league. No kidding, if I can get Henry and Barlow to play, there is going to be hell to pay. Ed, we have the 3005 Phish in this league as well!!
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| 49 | Shak
ID: 33611918
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 19:20
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I know a lot of you are anxious to get the season started, but I have to voice my concern that starting the draft on Aug 1st is too early. As most of you know, this game has a lot of luck involved. If you lose a player to injury, there is no way to replace him. You can't go trade or make a FA pickup. With that in mind, why are we starting our draft before the first preseason game is played? IMO that makes this game even more of a crapshoot. I think it's a given that a big name player will get hurt in the preseason. Someone is going to be very disappointed because his chance to win this will have just disappeared. Why take this chance when we don't have to? My suggestion is to start our drafts either after the 2nd or 3rd preseason games.
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| 50 | Shak
ID: 33611918
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 19:23
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Ed, I'll shoot you an e-mail tomorrow about the contract league. You'll love it and you'll find that it is very easy to turn around a bad team. You have priority for bidding on FAs and the draft is not serpentine -- you will have the 3rd pick each round. More to come.
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| 51 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 19:25
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Shak,
I agree but what else can you do? You see how long it is takening just to pick draft slots. 12 hrs X 180 picks = 2160 hours or 90 days. I'm sure once the draft starts it will go a little quicker but can you knock it out in 2 weeks?
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| 52 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 19:40
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I think once the real draft starts folks will be a little more proactive. I think the best thing to do is to propose 2-3 different draft dates and allow thee league to vote on whats best for the whole. I was premature for me to assume that the 1st and or the 10th was the best dates.
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| 53 | Shak
ID: 33611918
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 19:47
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Last year we started on Aug 20th and finished in plenty of time. Believe me, most of the owners will not take any where near 12 hours.
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| 54 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 20:26
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It's cool with me. There is no way I can check it at work and on Monday and Friday I have classes so wont be able to check it for as often as most. If it gets moved up and that's a problem then feel free to seek out another owner. No worries.
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| 55 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 20:28
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Hey wait a minute. By then it should only be Monday nights.. 1 class next semester. 4 more and I am DONE!!!
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| 56 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 21:02
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We could start 1 Aug and if any of your players get hurt before the season starts, you have the option to add a replacement? I know it opens up a can of worms, but it at least gives the option to replace a guy before the season actually starts, and noone is @ at disadvantage before we even start this thing? Sound crazy?
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| 57 | Grim Reaper
ID: 75552821
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 21:30
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I like Shak's idea of starting the draft the second or third preseason game. I have no doubt people will be on board to draft.
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| 58 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Jul 09, 2005, 21:47
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I've done plenty of these drafts and you can count on one or two people to slow the draft up, and then time zone problems, then work problems. I'm in no hurry, but every year I hear the same reasons to start the draft as late as possible, and then all we hear is crying about we have to hurry up and why's he taking so long. Why has STB not made his pick? I have all the time in the world and can do it whenever, but Getting 18 people to be proactive and leave list's when their pick is near, never works. I don't like to leave a list unless it's one or two picks away. Just my opinion, not a problem for me either way early or late......
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| 59 | Grim Reaper
ID: 75552821
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 00:16
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I sent Tim an email to remind him to choose his draft position. Did anyone else send him an email or get a reply?
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| 60 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 01:50
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Ed, weren't you here last year when we started on the 20th? No one complained about the start date last year. What has changed that we have to start it 20 days earlier?
Shall we all send Tim an e-mail? Is this still a good e-mail address for him?
timothy.dahl@mildenhall.af.mil
If it is, then he won't check it until Monday.
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| 61 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 02:50
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FNAS, as BB is blocking you, we could always e-mail you the page and you could pick in e-mail and we could post it for you. That will solve any problems with having to wait until you get home.
I really don't like the idea of finding replacements for injured players. That would really mess things up IMO.
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| 62 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 07:51
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Ok, replacement idea sucks!! Scotty brought the idea out about 5 Aug and it took until the 18-20 before we got everything finalized and ready to draft. We made it to round 10 about 5 Sep, and I beleive we had 5-6 days before the season opened when we finished!! We didn't start on the 20 AUg because we had the luxury or choice, but yeah we finished fine!! I don't know everyone's predicaments as far as when they would like to start, But I do say we vote on it, or Scotty can just say when? 7 AUG, 14 Aug and 20th Aug are probably the best dates to start. Like I said it doesn't matter to me personally either way. But my Vote would be for: Wait for it, it's a beauty, Everybodies favorite? Superclyde to finish "First off the Rock".
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| 63 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 08:35
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I guess there is that concern about other owners. I too find it disturbing that out of 18 owners, we are only hearing from the same 5 or 6 guys. Where are the other 12? Are they serious? I know some of them have alibis and will be active in a week or two, but that still leaves an awful lot of guys that aren't being active. I guess we'll see if Scott puts this to a vote how many are active.
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| 64 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 09:11
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Again, I ask why start on a Monday?
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| 65 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 09:12
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Who's time zone is the start time?
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| 66 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 10:00
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Most everyone I know pays attention to this board or at least their e-mail, they just don't post much. We should be fine to start the draft later. Having someone injured early would be a killer to their chances if it is their number 1 or 2. Well maybe, my number 2-4 blew chunks last year and I won the who shebang!! That's right Ed, I smoked it and high score as well. Finding the diamond in the rough is the key!!
Ed, first off the rock!!
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| 67 | Joe
ID: 43771512
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 10:30
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Hey guy's, I'm for waiting as long as possible to start this draft (alexander????). Besides that does everyone know that there are two drats taking place? Kinda strange for the first draft to get done so quickly and only being done a third of the second one.
As far as replacements go, it would make it more fair for the guys who get screwed before the season even starts, but what is the fun in that? I think replacements should be a case by case decision. Example: If I lose my 1st round pick, I can get a replacement. If EDnecks loses his pick then he deserves it for talking so much smack. Just an idea
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| 68 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 10:42
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Some people just play to hang around the cool guys in school? You smoked what Mike? you better lay off that Gonja until you get out of the service. ANy chance we can get everyone to agree on one day and knock the whole thing out on a weekend?
"Clyde got his nuts shot off in the war"
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| 69 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 10:54
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That's harsh Joe, I'm just the voice of reason is all. " My name is Joe, I wont last long before I go, I eat yellow snow, I like girls (No), I give a good Blow, you know!!!
He He!!
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| 70 | Joe
ID: 4652283
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 11:18
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Thats funny
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| 71 | Joe
ID: 4652283
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 11:29
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My name is Ed
I give good H#@D
Gotta take my MED
Before Joe puts me to bed
it has been said
my head is full of lead
everyone knows its a lock
I will be first off the Rock
(the artist formerly known as Joe)
"Reigning Playoff Champion"
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| 72 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 11:38
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LOL, Always got to one-up the "Neck" You boys know I'll be around a while with LT in the Bag!!!
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| 73 | Grim Reaper
ID: 75552821
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 12:05
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Tim is now stationed at Elmendorf (Alaska). His new email address is: timothy.dahl@elmendorf.af.mil
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| 74 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 13:20
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You guys are hilarious!!
Ed, first off the rock!!
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| 75 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 14:03
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I haven't been posting much lately, but I check the forum several times a day. I am going on leave 14-24 July and I probably won't check the computer at all between the14th and 20th. If it isn't to me by the 13th, I will leave my 2nd draft pick queue with somebody.
I am not in any hurry to draft but I am surprised in how long it is taking to just choose draft position. If we pick a weekend date like the 13-14th or 20-21st, I can make the time to be available to knock it out. I am good either way. The latter we start the better idea we will all have on our rankings, but there is not an advantage or disadvantage for any team. Obviously, as has been mentioned, the biggest concern is injury but them is the breaks if we decide to go early. I have no problem knocking out the draft and then the commish picking a date, like 27 Aug for an "injury draft" with every team getting the opportunity to drop one injured player (read: out for the season) for another player who is healthy. I am flexible and can go with whatever the commish or majority decides.
The season doesn't start until the 8th of September and 180 picks isn't a long draft as long as everyone is around to make their picks.
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| 76 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 17:03
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I'll throw out some proposals when I get to work. Little dissapointed that Tim hasn't checked in in days.
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| 77 | STB
ID: 445542910
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 21:09
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S1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)
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8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
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Sorry it took so long, I just haven't been around this past weekend. Hope you guys can fogive me?
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| 78 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 22:03
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http://www.nfl.com/schedules/preseason/2005#preweek1
Based on preseason schedules week 2 of preseason ends on August 20th (except for two later games). The NFL season starts on 8 September.
I figure the drafts will last 10-14 days if owners utilize lists when away for long periods. Probably have two options and I have bought into the idea of starting the draft after two weeks of preseason has been played. No transactions after the draft has convinced me that it's teh right thing to do. Now I'm worried that people won't check in often or use max time to make picks. It could take a month worst case (maybe even longer). So with that in mind starting closer to the NFL season kickoff is good but is a disaster if we don't finish before the season starts.
So three options.
1) Start Sunday August 21st.
2) Start Friday August 26th.
3) Start Sunday August 28th.
Ed and FNAS have the #1 picks so anytime on the agreed upon draft date you can start. Rotoguru appears to be on EST. I'll probably post this in it's own thread to get more visibility. Thanks Scott
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| 79 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 22:05
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Scott,
My first choice is #10, and next #11.
Kris
1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)
7)
8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
11)Grim Reaper
12)
13)
14)
15)
16)
17)
18)
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| 80 | Tribe
Donor
ID: 56840617
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 00:18
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1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)
7)Tribe
8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
11)Grim Reaper
12)
13)
14)
15)
16)
17)
18)
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| 81 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 00:41
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1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)
7)Tribe
8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
11)Grim Reaper
12)
13)
14)
15)
16)
17)
18)TB
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| 82 | Shak
ID: 165532722
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 00:42
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Wow, very nice TB. I thought 18 had Ed's name written all over it.
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| 83 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 00:46
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I want to see how the draft goes from one of the ends. I think I am guaranteed to get two good RBs or a good RB and very good QB. I thought about 14th, but decided it would be nice to get two picks in a row.
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| 84 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 00:57
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I think you blew it TB. Having a chance at picking 9th in the first one and 6th in this one, you gave up good players for a quick two picks. I am not saying it isn't possible to do it from there, but it is going to take some crafty drafting.
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| 85 | Shak
ID: 165532722
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 01:01
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Thanks, Mike.
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| 86 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 01:15
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"I am not saying it isn't possible to do it from there, but it is going to take some crafty drafting."
"Thanks, Mike."
Shak Daddy I can see your head swelling up from here.
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| 87 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 01:29
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I am not going to post my rankings, but I've mocked this draft a couple times and looked at it from each position. I think that statement holds true from wherever you draft in an 18-team league. Lord forbid that LT gets hurt in week two because the team that drafted him 1st is stucking with their best player being the 36th pick in the draft.
BTW, I picked 3rd in the 14-team RIFC last year and took Deuce (after Priest and LT). That didn't turn out so good. Heck, I imagine that whichever one of you drafted him in Survivor last year probably didn't last too long either. I am also betting he went in the top 6-7 picks.
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| 88 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 01:35
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You may use the Paypal option to pay me. I'll also pay you if you win in teh same manner. Register at paypal and send me at..........
scott.mccoy@andersen.af.mil
Very easy to use and it's an outstanding tool considering we all literally all over the world.
$40 is the total, 100% of the entry fees go back to the winners, can't beat that.
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| 89 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 01:36
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Took less than 5 minutes to go look. Drafted 5th by Gcobb and it looks like he was gone in week two. Injuries are a mofo.
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| 90 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 01:38
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TB he went 5th.
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/mb/footst/436.shtml?1120043651
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| 91 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 01:39
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I saw that. I also just sent payment.
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| 92 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 01:42
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Uh oh, when you send me 40 I actually get $38.54. $1.46 x 18 = $26
So what do we do? Either send me $41.50 or the payouts will be tweaked slightly. I say pay $41.50 to make it easier.
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| 93 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 01:43
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Payment From Thomas Bennett Jul. 10, 2005 Completed Details $40.00 USD -$1.46 USD
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| 94 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 02:02
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You are going start losing people with 72 threads going at one time. ;)
1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)
7)Tribe
8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
11)Grim Reaper
12)
13)
14)
15)
16)
17)
18)TB
2 Cool is on the clock, Shak on deck, and RBP in the hole
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| 95 | Joe
ID: 4652283
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 07:57
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Typical Ednecks, taking LT with your first pick. Why dont you be a man and pick a kicker first.....please
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| 96 | Shak
ID: 165532722
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 08:24
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If you pay with credit card they will take out a certain percent. If you pay from a bank account there is no fee.
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| 97 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 11:21
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TB, you can say that about anyone in the first two rounds, If anyone loses their top choices they will struggle without a little luck in this format. People will not always pick the highest ranked player available, due to Bye-weeks, needs, wants. Someone will fall in your lap due to this. Back-to-back is nice later in the rounds when you can't make up your mind on two different players, you just take both. The people in the middle of the draft, don't have that luxury and even though thay will probably get better choice's by not having to wait 36 picks every time, they can't gamble as much. me and GR will probably get hit with a run at somepoint. It's still down to what's available who you have your sights set on. I mean If GR takes two running backs @ 18 he's looking at a third tier QB and his RB's will have to be the right one's for sure., I'd rather have LT (certain top Rb, unless hurt) then two possible scorers and a so-so QB. your first two picks in this format is critical. Do you gamble or do you play it safe? You wait till round three to get a QB, you better get the right one. I can see why the3 guys are queueing up for the middle rounds, it's safer, but If me and the guy @18 gamble and get it right, then we will be hard to beat.
I looked at the scoring from last year and the top four or five scorers of course were QB's. The only top Rb's were Tiki, Alexander, LT, and I think DD or EJ? It changes from year to year, but I think taking a QB/WR in the first round this year is not as risky a pick.
No matter how many times we have all drafted, Gameplan's almost always get thrown out the window on draft day. Like I always say, you normally see the same faces at the top in every league/Playoff/survivor leagues for a reason.
Lucky Sob's and they usually make the right choice in most drafts. I play in a old league with GCobb, Sanders, JHHH and you never get a gift until the middle rounds, Veterans are hard to beat.....
happy days
Ed
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| 98 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 11:32
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How old do you have to be to play in an old league? Is that like the senior tour?
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| 99 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 11:35
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Standing on deck sucks! Now I am questioning my strategy on picking 16. I won't take #6 if it's still there, so I'm hoping 2Cool takes it, so it doesn't fall into Scotty's lap.
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| 100 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 11:40
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I know everyone thinks they are an expert and their strategy is correct? How much is BS? How much is just good information? How many players talk a good story but their results are never very good except one damn time (Superclyde), How many times have I heard the "total Domination phrase" and he finishes near the bottom thru no fault of his own? I have to admit he has gotten better over the years.
"SuperClyde Off the Rock"
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| 101 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 11:47
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Shak a Old league to me is when you wrote everything down on paper during the draft and you were looking at the Monday morning Star's and Stripes paper's football linescores to get your player's total's, that "Old".
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| 102 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 11:50
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You can See I have no life outside of Fantasy Sports? I think my wife is being serviced by the Paperboy and Milkman!!
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| 103 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 11:53
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Shak your BS is legendary, so If you take #16 then it's just to show me I was wrong, either way you lose, I see no advantage picking #16?
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| 104 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 11:55
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The thing that I really don't like about drafting on the corners, is you have to anticipate runs and therefore, you often reach for players. In a big league like this, it's even worse. Having to wait 34 picks between picks, makes you reach for players you have targeted because you know they won't be there by the time you pick again.
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| 105 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 11:59
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I think someone did a survey on drafting position's and the results were that more people won from #8 in a 12 man-league then any other slot?
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| 106 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 13:50
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Back on track!!
1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)
7)Tribe
8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
11)Grim Reaper
12)
13)
14)
15)
16)
17)
18)TB
2 Cool is on the clock, Shak on deck, and RBP in the hole
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| 107 | JHHH
ID: 2204499
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 15:39
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I can remember scoring using the newspapers...how far have we come? I also remember playing fantasy baseball using newspapers. Not only did you have to buy every Sunday's newspaper, but you had to hold on to the previous week's Sunday paper, so you could subtract the differences in each category to see what each player did for the week. That's old school.
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| 108 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 15:53
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Yes, I may have shot off my mouth a small bit in the past, but like you said Ed, I am getting better. Draft strategy is an oxymoron. You can have the best gameplan in the world, but if you are drafting and a run is on at a position, crumple it up and wing it. I have a general idea on what I would like to do, but having a feel for a draft is what it is all about. Like Ed said, you may have to pass on a better player because in this format you can't trade or make additions, so if you already have 3 RB's and only one WR and a better RB is available, you may have to pass on him and take the WR before you have to wait and then get garbage. I also see I am quoting Ed a lot and that is a problem. If see he is starting to make sense after all of these years, I am in trouble. He may have been in a couple of SB's, but I have never seen him with the big dance trophy. BTW Ed, who won this last year?? That's right, Superclyde!! I also don't think your analogy of the top picks being a must to survive. Look at my roster and tell me my picks 2-6 were any good to me at all? Vick was probably helpful for about 4 weeks out of the season. Maybe not even that much. The playoffs he was nonexistant.
I haven't been playing long enough to warrant looking in a paper for stats, but before all of the websites ran the stuff for you, I can remember having to pay for a disk to load to your own computer that would search sites and bring up scores for your league. That was the best thing since sliced bread and now there is so much information just on our website that research really isn't a problem. Not to mention the 15 billion other websites out there.
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| 109 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 16:01
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Mike, you know we always pull each others leg!! I have won in a few league's and I do seem to make the playoffs or SB and lose, I think it just comes down to luck mainly, mine sucks. I never win anything in the Odd years, so LT or whomever I take in this draft will probably get hit by a Car!!!
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| 110 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 16:11
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Mike you had Alexander, he must have helped you at some point? I think he's a top pick? It's pretty obvious you have to have a solid team from top to bottom to win this and a little luck. I'm just trying to justify why I took #1 over #10!! My record obviously show's I'm making mistakes somewhere?
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| 111 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 16:19
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Ed, you won my respect when you won baseball manager last year in your first year, when many of the other first year managers floundered (I won't mention any names, MS).
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| 112 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 19:02
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Not floundered, just unrealistic. Too many variables in that league to even try to understand. Lets see, I'll have a pitcher pitch a CG with 2 ER, but the score reflect I lost 5 to 3?? What kind of garbage was that? Don't get me started on that league anyway, I was glad to give up my $75 to that worthless site, but other than hating it, it did have a nice design!
That was my point. I didn't have a solid team from top to bottom. I had a kicker who probably averages above 10 for the season if not higher, I had Alexander who had a GREAT season and I had Muhammed who went ballistic last year. Chambers was nice and so was Dunn, but at the end, I was pulling at straws to get players who were playing, let alone scoring. Luck was a big part of me winning.
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| 113 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 19:12
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Ok, who's responsible for 2Cool? Is it too much to ask to check in to the site a couple of times a day? Once in the morning and once in the evening maybe. By my count, we are at the 19-hour point. I think OTC should be changed from on the clock to on the calendar. Maybe we should reconsider starting the draft on the 1st after all.
Sorry for the whining, but it sucks standing on deck this long hoping to get a turn. If I didn't have Ed and Mike to kick around I'd probably have given up by now.
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| 114 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 19:15
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Yes, Mike, it was a very complicated game and not for the casual fan. My guess is it is the best and most realistic fantasy baseball game yet invented. I'm sure you'll disagree and I'm sure the bbm staff would love to hear your suggestions for improving the game.
Speaking of which, how are you doing in bbm this year, Scott?
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| 115 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 19:22
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I'm in 4th, 4 games out. 8th place is 8 games out so we're all reall close. After losing the first 5 games of the year I've battled back nicely. Injuries are starting to take their toll though so I'm haning on by a thread even though I just won 6 straight versus the cellar dwellers. The Unit and Rogers form a nice 1-2 LHP punch at the top of my rotation. I feel bad that most of the guys last year hated the league or at least strongly disliked it. I'm a junkie so I eat it up.
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| 116 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 19:51
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My suggestion would be instead of using the crystal ball to "predict" the scores, use the actual stats from the games.
My suggestion would be to give prizes for the leagues. Charging $75 per team to run a site like that, they are laughing all the way to the bank.
Ok, enough ranting, I don't want to talk about that league any longer. I have my baseball league I am in, which gives me headaches as well, but I am happy with that. This is a football thread anyway.
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| 117 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 20:24
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Mike, it does use actual stats from the games to resolve the nightly games! Pitching is only 50% though. So if your pitcher pitches a shutout, but the opposing lineup hits 4 HRs, what should be the outcome? Obviously $75 is a lot of money for very little in return, but until someone can do it cheaper, they will continue to thrive.
I guess this is a football thread. What are we here for again? Oh yeah, waiting on our hardcore owners to pick a draft slot. Can someone shoot me an e-mail when 2COOL finally decides to check this site. I need a break!
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| 118 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 20:43
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BBM was different, I enjoyed how you had to manage your team/players on a daily basis, but I think Mike is right in that the scoring leaves a lot to be desired. At first I tought it was strange, but I liked it more after 20-games into the season. 2Cool is a strange dude to me, I know he's busy, but the minute you put something negative about him, he shows up? I offer him trades all the time and they just sit there gathering dust. I think we should rename him "2late" your out of here!!! He's better once the draft starts!!!
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| 119 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 20:52
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Update, it has taken 6 days to make 11 picks. Take that for whatever it's worth.
1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)
7)Tribe
8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
11)Grim Reaper
12)
13)
14)
15)
16)
17)
18)TB
2 Cool is on the clock, Shak on deck, and RBP in the hole.
RBP's pick is being sent to Clyde just in case we actually get moving again.
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| 120 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 21:14
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Is Shaun Alexander going to worth as much if he's playing in Cleveland?
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| 121 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 21:31
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"Is Shaun Alexander going to worth as much if he's playing in Cleveland?"
In my dreams! I had to go to a couple sites to see if that was even a rumor. I found none. :-(
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| 122 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 21:34
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No names associated with who it is they are shopping Andre Davis for. Who else could it be?
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| 123 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 21:55
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Good question. Will he be able to run over everyone there or will he turn into someone like Portis who has the talent just no one helping him out on the line or at QB.
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| 124 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 21:58
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Don't forget those pesky Ravens and Steelers that he would see twice a year. Laugh if you want, but I see Cincy's D doing a little better this year. I vote hurts his numbers.
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| 125 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 22:58
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Yes out of the NFC West has to hurt his numbers. SF, Arizona and the Rams don't usually get mentioned in the same sentence and the phrase "great defenses".
As an avid Browns fan I can tell you I'd like to see them land Alexander but landing offensive lineman would help the team more. Suggs can tote the rock IMO to win, but without and O-Line you can't win in the NFL.
Little off topic but Jackie Slater at his HoF induction ceremony said it bet with, "Make no mistake about it, the NFL is a BIG mans game".
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| 126 | 2 Cool
ID: 9513282
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 01:58
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1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)2Cool
7)Tribe
8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
11)Grim Reaper
12)
13)
14)
15)
16)
17)
18)TB
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| 127 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 09:32
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2COOL, thank you for making an appearance!
1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)2Cool
7)Tribe
8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
11)Grim Reaper
12)Shak
13)
14)
15)
16)
17)
18)TB
RBP on the calendar, Clyde on deck.
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| 128 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 09:48
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Shak what happened to that #16 pick strategy? Any chance I get other then 15 or 16? #12 is a perfect place to take R. Moss or Culpepper?
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| 129 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 09:52
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Please leave me #17, so I can show JHHH how it's done from that position. Taking a Jailbird from #17 is not a good strategy? He He
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| 130 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 10:07
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I am not sure what is more amazing; the fact that you try to pull of this reverse pschology on the entire league or the fact it actually works on some of these guys. You should end up with pick 17 because it is the worse position left out there. The one benefit to drafting there is that there will be a very short to no wait time each round. I think it will be interesting to see how you do drafting from the top and the bottom. If the team at the bottom gets an early boot, it might appear as though your "skill" is all about draft position.
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| 131 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 10:45
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Hey, If 1% of doubt is placed in 1 person's mind then it's worth the effort, I need all the help I can get. Who said I wanted #17? I said to my self, don't mess with that TB, he's just too mentally tough!! Plus he's a Sherpa?
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| 132 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 10:59
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Plus TB and I know Your beyond a little help, but SuperClyde won from slot #4, Shak was second from slot #18, I think SSS was third from slot #10? and Biged was fourth from slot #13. I think that tell's you it doesn't matter where you draft you got to pick the right guy...You knew that anyway!!
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| 133 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 11:06
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Sherpa? Is that like being a Blackbelt in fantasy Football?
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| 134 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 11:12
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I know young Ed-grasshopper has a lot to learn, from the Shalin master. I await your teaching's old sly one?
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| 135 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 11:59
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1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)2Cool
7)Tribe
8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
11)Grim Reaper
12)Shak
13)Superclyde
14)
15)
16)
17)RBP
18)TB
Jim is up and Joe is on deck. Scott's pick is per his e-mail.
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| 136 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 12:02
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Slots are pretty crucial as well as bye weeks for this draft. Luck and injuries are even more important, but then we can't control those can we? Unless you count my vodoo dolls of the Edneck and his team once he drafts:o) I said vodoo, not barbie sicko's!!
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| 137 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 12:19
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The Schedule does play a factor, If your stud Rb plays Baltimore, Pittsburgh and say Denver early in the season that could affect his stats considerbly. VooDoo is that Legal, I want a inquiry into this!!
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| 138 | TB
ID: 5809511
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 13:31
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Sher·pa (shûr'pə)
n., pl. Sherpa or -pas.
A member of a traditionally Buddhist people of Tibetan descent living on the southern side of the Himalaya Mountains in Nepal and Sikkim. In modern times Sherpas have achieved world renown as expert fantasy football players. =)
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| 139 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 15:51
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Sherpa, yeah I know what/who they are, the Queen has her own regiment of Sherba's. World reknown for there fighting ability and can run in the Montains all day long. I was making a joke, as in why Sherpa is underneath your name, except for this last time? I thought maybe once you've reached a certain status as a great Fantasy guru, this site knighted you?
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| 140 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 17:09
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I think he has made a donation to rotoguru to keep it free.
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| 141 | Joe
ID: 4652283
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 17:23
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ok.......past 2300 here, waited long enough, hope I can pick my spot in the morning. If I am up to pick and have not logged on yet just give me selection 1, FNAS will understand......
"Reigning Playoff Champion"
Joe
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| 142 | TB
ID: 5809511
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 17:28
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Yeah, I asked Guru if we could have anything we wanted put under our handle instead of "Super Dude" if we reached that level of donation. Sherpa sounded cool. You must not have caught the 2nd part of my definition. Just tossing a little humor out there.
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| 143 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 18:25
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I know we are not drafting until later in Aug, but I think it's not a big ask to at least visit this page/site once in the morning/Afternoon and before you go to sleep? If you will be gone for any lenght of time or need some help, do like Buddy and let everyone know in a email or I would say a message on this site, but you never visit it anyway?
Not only is it rude and shows a lack of passion, but makes people not want to invite you back!!!
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| 144 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 19:01
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Or get replaced before the draft begins!!
Ed, first off the rock!!
Stab, stab, poke, poke!!
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| 145 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 19:18
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1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)2Cool
7)Tribe
8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
11)Grim Reaper
12)Shak
13)Superclyde
14)
15)
16)
17)RBP
18)TB
Jim is up and Joe is on deck. Scott's pick is per his e-mail.
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| 146 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 19:48
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Edneck is already firing back before he gets through reading your message. That's his SOP.
Edneck how do you compliment a woman from Kan-Tuck-eee? ;-)
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| 147 | TB
ID: 5809511
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 22:21
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You tell her, "Nice tooth!"
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| 148 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 00:02
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TB you nailed it. I also tell that joke to Timmy Dahl who is from the great State of West Virginia.
Did you know that the toothbrush was invented in Kan-Tuck-eee? If it wasn't it would have been called a Teethbrush.
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| 149 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 00:25
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I'm setting up the draft website for us and I'm almost done. I just need a name for TB and an e-mail address for Joe.
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| 150 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 00:27
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Just found Joe's e-mail address. I am sending out the invitations now. Let me know if you don't get an invite or you have a problem accessing the site (other than the BB problem that was already mentioned).
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| 151 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 00:29
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Ed, do you not use the biged_alive@yahoo.com address anymore? It keeps getting kicked back.
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| 152 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 00:43
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tbraiders@gmail.com
and Tom Bennet is his name, spelling maybe wrong.
Ed uses leonhart@btopenworld.com
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| 153 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 01:13
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Ed, first off the rock!!
Stab, stab, poke, poke!!
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| 154 | Lost Reality
ID: 0517283
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 01:53
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1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)2Cool
7)Tribe
8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
11)Grim Reaper
12)Shak
13)Superclyde
14)Lost Reality
15)
16)
17)RBP
18)TB
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| 155 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 02:06
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"ok.......past 2300 here, waited long enough, hope I can pick my spot in the morning. If I am up to pick and have not logged on yet just give me selection 1, FNAS will understand......"
FNAS you know what he's talking about?
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| 156 | Joe
ID: 4652283
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 04:10
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1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)2Cool
7)Tribe
8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
11)Grim Reaper
12)Shak
13)Superclyde
14)Lost Reality
15)
16)Joe
17)RBP
18)TB
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| 157 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 05:16
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Joe,,
I'm one of the most understanding people in the world but sorry, you lost me.
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| 158 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 06:46
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I think he's sarcastically saying he'll take the #1 overall spot and that you will understand that he has taken it from you.
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| 159 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 06:47
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1)FNAS
2)CPS
3)Cobb
4)HHH
5)TrashHaulers
6)2Cool
7)Tribe
8)Harmon
9)SupaMario
10)STB
11)Grim Reaper
12)Shak
13)Superclyde
14)Lost Reality
15)Ednecks
16)Joe
17)RBP
18)TB
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| 160 | Joe
ID: 4652283
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 07:34
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Yeah that was what I meant by it FNAS. Sorry i did not clarify it for you. Just a little midnight joke Kosova time.
"Reigning Playoff Champion"
Joe
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| 161 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 15:58
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Joe,
OK between your midnight humor and my 0430 reading it didn't sink in. No worries,, GO after Ed's number 1 pick. He seems way more mellow than me.
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| 162 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 16:20
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OK check this out... Cleveland works some backwards deal with Seattle some how including Buffalo. Henry & Davis goe to Seattle, Alexander goes to Cleveland and that's where I'm screwed in this theory. Who the hell does Buffalo get? Do they want Davis?? I guess we'll know in 2 days when the tendered offer must be signed.
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| 163 | Tribe
Donor
ID: 56840617
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 16:36
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Alright we can work with that theory. Henry and Davis to Seattle, Alexander to Cleveland and a Seattle 3rd round pick to Buffalo!!
I agree with Scotty, being a HUGE Browns fan myself, Alexander would be nice in Cleveland but I would definitly rather see the Brownies get Walter Jones from Seattle rather than Shaun Alexander!! They need lots of help on that O line.
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| 164 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 16:44
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I got it!!!! Lee Suggs or RD goes to Buffalo to back up McGehee. I could broker this thing.
tribe,
Is that all you want in Cleve?.. Dude I'm on a roll, I'll hook you up.
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| 165 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 16:51
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Hmmm, Cleveland gives up Davis to get Alexander. Sounds like an RBP trade.
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| 166 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 16:58
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"Sounds like an RBP trade."
Shak I resemble that remark.
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| 167 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 17:39
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Shak,
Just out of curiosity, I detect that you wouldn't think that's a fair trade. Can you elaborate? Not saying your wrong, just curious
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| 170 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 17:55
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Cleveland gives up Andre Davis and gets Shaun Alexander in return? Yikes. Also, if Buffalo is shopping Henry for a 3rd rounder, should Seattle be giving up Alexander and a 3rd rounder for Henry and Davis? If you look at it as Henry for a 3rd rounder, Seattle is giving up Alexander for Davis straight up. I don't think even Scott would offer that deal!
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| 171 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 18:09
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I think you have to look at with the money/contract that Alexander will demand. I think Seattle is more then willing to go with M. Morris and Henry. I think Cleveland is willing to pay Alexander the cash. I think Bufalo just wants a 3rd rounder and maybe a Reciever. Is Koren Robinson still with Seattle, he may be thrown in and Buffalo or Cleveland may take a chance on his hands of stone and attitude problem? Cleveland needs a TE with Winslow's problems, so maybe Tulli or Stevens are involved? ALl speculation and I'd like to see Henry go somewhere he can play, I personally don't think Magahe is that special or durable.
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| 172 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 18:12
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Andra Davis or Andre Davis?
http://footballguys.com/DaviAn99-1.htm
http://footballguys.com/DaviAn01-1.htm
I'll trade BOTH Davis's for Alexander and an OL.
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| 173 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 18:14
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If you were GM for Seattle would you trade Alexander for Davis? If you don't want to pay him the money, why panic and trade him before the season starts for an average WR. Why not wait until the injuries hit and someone will give you a 2nd round pick. That's what Buffalo seems to be doing -- they will take nothing less than a 3rd rounder and they're willing to wait until they get it. They're in no hurry.
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| 174 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 18:15
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Thanks Ed.. You are kind of making my point.
Shak, I see you side but I think desperate people do desperate things.. I also (JMO) Alexander isn't worth as much once you move him out of Seattle or more so, if you move him to Cleveland. I think if you are Seattle, you throw in a TE, wrap Alexander up in a bow and Fed X him to Cleveland. I'm not a hater. If I'm sitting at number 2,3, or 4 in regular drafts and he stays in Seattle, I guarantee he doesn't get past me.
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| 175 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 18:20
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I agree with this part for sure........
"If I'm sitting at number 2,3, or 4 in regular drafts and he stays in Seattle, I guarantee he doesn't get past me."
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| 176 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 18:24
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I don't get it. Why is Seattle desperate? Why isn't Philly desperate to get rid of TO? Because the team's have the advantage. Seattle will wait to get comparable value if they trade him at all.
If you were Tenn or Jax, would you trade a 3rd rounder for Henry or Alexander? Alexander is clearly better. Alexander is a top 3 back and Henry is maybe top 20 -- a guy that can't beat out McGahee, who has yet to prove himself. As far as the money, Henry is in the last year of his contract, so you trade for him and you face the same situation next off season.
I think you guys a living in a dream world.
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| 177 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 18:26
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FNAS I agree with you. In this day of the salary Caps, teams are willing to part with Studs like Alexander. SF's finance's were so messed up they got rid of everyone with a big contract.
Alexander in Cleveland makes him a 5-10 pick. He's really not that fast, just has excellent vision and works behind a very good OL. Plus the Browns are about 5 years away from competing.
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| 178 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 18:50
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Here's my problem with Jax and Tenn.. Henry doesn't seem to realize that he is not a starter anymore. Why would you bring in a 30 yr old wanta be starter in to back up RBs that aren't that spectacular to begin with. If Henry isn't happy backing up Mcgahee, he's really going to be pissed being a back up in Tenn and Jax. Shak, again, I'm not saying you are wrong. Maybe this is just something I have been waiting for a long time to see. A stud being sent to a team (no disrespect to the Browns fans, which there seems to be a few,,that in itself could be another thread) like Cleveland. Cleveland needs help and they have money to spend. Seattle doesn't want to commit a long term contract to a 28 year old, who (and I never in a million years thought I would say this) may face some of the best defenses he has ever seen. Arizona's D isn't a Baltimore but could probably be ranked in the top 15. STL has no where left to go in the next few years but beef up their D. OK I'll give you SF but that is only 2 dates on the schedule.
I'm a firm beleiver in the RB success is a product of the team not always his own abilities.
Ed,
The only point I see things different than you is IMO if Alexander ends up in Cleveland he's a flier as a top 15 RB and maybe a third/forth round pick. I would rank him in Cleveland just about the same as Suggs. OK OK no name calling...That's just the way I see it.
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| 179 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 18:53
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We'll for my fantasy football teams sake let's hope he stays in Seattle and rushes for 2,500 yards and 30 TD's.
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| 180 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 18:59
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Scott,
This move would disrupt the FF world. Especially for me in another start up keeper league where I'm sitting with the 4th pick and am pretty sure LT, Manning, and Culpepper is going in front of me. Mcgahee, James, Holmes. OUCH!!
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| 181 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 19:01
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Oh, before I forget and get down to some serious shit talking,, I truley enjoy the level of knowledge and experience that is conveyed in this league. Lots of interesting perspectives. Very cool.
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| 182 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 19:16
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It is refreshing too see, "Ed first off the rock, Poke poke is getting old"?
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| 183 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 19:50
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100% agree with.....
"I truley enjoy the level of knowledge and experience that is conveyed in this league. Lots of interesting perspectives. Very cool."
and
"I'm sitting with the 4th pick and am pretty sure LT, Manning, and Culpepper is going in front of me. Mcgahee, James, Holmes. OUCH!!"
So what do you do? I have no idea what your scoring system is or your roster/lineup parameters you have so I'll assume for arguments sake it's a "typical" league with "typical" rules. So if I'm where you are at #4 and Alexander stays in Seattle I draft him, no doubt.
If he gets traded to Cleveland I trade down into the bottom half of round 1. Maybe move down far enough to take the best of the RB's that will fall to you (James, Portis, Deuce, Westbrook, J. Lewis or a guy like J. Jones). By moving down maybe you could get another 2nd/3rd round pick and get in on the tail end of the starting RB's run before it ends. I also have no problem taking one of the rookie RB's in round #3 if it's a keeper league (I like Benson and Brown). So my advice is to drop down, heck you may explore swapping all of your picks with another owner, I've done that before with success. Maybe ask teh guy at 8-9-10 to swap all of your pciks, then your at 8 and 16 instead of 4 (and drafting a guy you don't like) and 20.
http://www.footballguys.com/pickvalue.htm
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| 184 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 19:51
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http://www.ffbookmarks.com/analyzers_and_calculators.htm
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| 185 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 20:15
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LMAO,,Scott Scoring is close to our DFFL league. 10 team first year keeper. I've already been working on the cat that's sitting number 8 just in case. That draft isn't until 3 Sept so all the Alexander drama will be done with one way or another. I like 8 and 13 better than 4 and 17 if Alexander is gone.
Come on man.. Don't tell me you trust a site more than your own knowledge of the game?? Hell, truth be known, you have probably been doing this longer than some "guru".
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| 186 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 20:42
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I use all tools available when making a decision.
I have on more than one occasion used the draft pick trade analyzer to convince another owner to make a deal with me because it said he was getting the better end of the deal. (when the reality I was convinced I was getting the better deal)
I also fly by the seat of my pants more often that not. Gut instinct has been very very good to me.
Chuck I think you said it before but I rarely even make cheatsheets anymore, at least not like I used to. I won't rehash the "Stud RB Theory" but I have a pretty good feel for what I want to do and execute it on draft day. I usually print one list just to line through drafted players.
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| 187 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:00
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I know If I didn't have the first slot I would have taken 8-10 and been happy. In a keeper league, I think J. Jones, Portis, and Magaee all are worth a top 5 pick If Alexander is not in Seattle. I think J. Jones will soon be the consenus #1 in a few years. Portis is scary right now because Washington doesn't know how to use his skills. I'm even thinking of taking Manning #1 and making a trade during the draft. It's just hard to say no too LT with his bye @#10.
I think picks 4-7 will be a tough choice to make. There are guys I just don't like that are ranked in those positions. I've never been a J. Lewis or James fan, you put James (after ACL Injury) in a non-Manning team and I think he's a ordinary RB. Just my opinion...Good Luck with the keeper draft, I think Scotty's got the right idea...
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| 188 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:06
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Shak, you asked why is Seattle panicking? Besides Alexander, what other offense do they have? Their receivers can't seem to catch balls. Hasselbeck is an average QB IMO, but without the receivers catching the ball, he looks terrible. Alexander had 16 rushing TD's last year and 4 receiving. Hasselbeck threw 22 TD's. Four to Alexander. That makes 18 other TD's he threw to his receivers. Not exactly a stellar performance. They need to get a decent younger RB or draft pick and a receiver to give them a chance. Signing Alexander to a long term contract isn't the answer to Seattle's problems.
Now Alexander leaving and going to say the Browns without the support he get from the offensive line in Seattle would definitely drop him to late 1st round. Portis is a good example, but he is younger than Alexander so that is why I rate him above Alexander.
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| 189 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:11
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Manning #1, hmmmmmm. On that thought I have pondered Manning #1 (actually #2 when that was an option).
Manning is money in the bank. Big points week after week after week. The question I had was, Can I draft Manning #1 and still get RB's worth a damn at 35 and 38? Probably not....but as I look through the top 25 or so RB's I'm not totally disgusted with what I see. For any other QB it isn't worth it, but Manning is SOOOOOOOOO good he may just be. This is not sent out to cause anyone to waiver on there pick or a smoke screen, I just think Manning and LT in this format are the top 2 players and I can see quality players falling to 35 and 37 and forming a deadly trio. Just my 2 cents. I'll have to look at Survivor I and see who went in the 30's.
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| 190 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:15
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Mike is right, You will always build your Offense around your QB first, why do you think they gave Hassellbeck a big extention on his contract. Alexander is a TD Machine, in ALAbama you couldn't stop him, but He is replaceable, Top Notch QB's are hard to fine. Hasselbeck is not Brett F., but he has shown sone degree of talent to get them over the top. We all know Defense's win SB's and no team will go far without a big time "D". Indy is proof of that.
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| 191 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:20
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You are right about Manning being money in the bank, but like you said, getting a decent starting RB in the 30's is hard pressed at best. With teams using the RBBC (fantasy nightmare) getting a stand alone back is going to be tough. Not to mention any backs on the Wizzinator program!! Not sure I could take Manning at #1. He still has a bye week and if your backs aren't solid you have to rely on your WR's who could have a bad day. Manning's bye week is week 8 so you might luck out there. There still might be a few weak links in this at that point so you might get lucky and make it through, but will still need the rest of the team to perform.
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| 192 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:20
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Last season these Rb's went after round 2 and in round 3........
3.1 M. Bennett
3.3 T. Jones
3.4 W. Dunn
3.8 Tiki Barber
3.9 T. Henry
3.15 Lee Suggs
3.16 Q. Griffin
Barber was fabulous! Jones was very good for me in 3 leagues, and a few others there were not exactly scrubs. So my point is that taking Manning #1 and looking for RB's free falling to you at the end of round 2 and the start of round 3 looks worth the gamble.
Might interject new names in round 3 of like JJ Arrington, Ronnie Brown, S. Jackson, and Fred Taylor but at least a core of ......
QB Manning
RB S. Jackson
RB Fred Taylor
could be pretty explosive.
Not to mention you'd be more in the position to gamble on high upside guys later like Faulk and R. Williams.
My point is that Manning is a bargain no matter when he is selected. Now I wish I had taken a higher pick in at least 1 draft.
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| 193 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:24
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Hasselbeck could be a better than average QB, but until he gets receivers that can let him improve, he will just be average.
Hasselbeck would certainly improve his stats with T.O. there. Wouldn't that be interesting? Not too certain he would take it though. He wants a ring....bad. Seattle won't make it there with just him there and no RB. I don't think Philly would do that deal anyway. Westbrook is a pretty decent back when he isn't hurt.
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| 194 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:24
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When the QB run starts in round 2 (and it will) you will get free falling RB's gift wrapped to you by owners who panic to land that solid #1 QB. Ed I'm becoming more and more convinced that at #1 I would take Manning. That is not BS. Calculated risk? yes but worth the gamble. Heck if it doesn't pan out you always have the other league :-)
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| 195 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:26
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I don't think anyone can put up a argument against Manning or LT as a number one. Especially in a keeper. Look at this year. If you have Manning and you land a guy like J. Jones in the third round and he does turn out to be a stud, you are set for the next 3 or 4 seasons. Especially with Jones. What passing game are they going to have over the next 3 years?? Bedsoak I mean Bledsoe?? Nope. So when Bledsoe turns it over to a new QB and the new QB dumps to the TE and RB in order to get completions, Jones could be huge. My only concern about Jones is he seemed a little fragile and I watched him run out of bounds instead of taking a hit. That's what is so great about FF, you just never know.
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| 196 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:37
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I'm seriously thinking on Taking Manning #1 and that's not BS either. The top scorer's from last year were Manning, Culpepper and McNabb by quite a bit, they are the difference makers. I just love LT and it's less of a gamble!!
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| 197 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:45
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Mike, give me a break. Signing a top 3 RB in his prime is not the answer for Seattle, but they will improve a lot more by trading him straight up for a run of the mill WR like Andre Davis. LOL. I'm sure Seattle fans are happy you are not the GM. Will Seattle really be better short and long term with Andre Davis and Travis Henry, while giving up a 3rd round draft pick? That's a riot.
Ed, Seattle is no where near in salary cap hell like SF was. SF decided not to sign TO, Streets and Garcia. In the end, that will have proven to be the right call. Seattle on the other hand will not let Shaun walk, nor will they trade him for a worthless WR -- they have enough of those.
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| 198 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:48
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Mike, I would get you on a shortened BB week in the WOF. I'm in first with a weak piching staff and your's is the best, so the only way I can win is too have at least three two start pichers and that won't happen this week!! I'd be surprized if I win that one...Sorry strayed from football talk
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| 199 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:54
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Shak, I expect Seattle is gunning for more then just a WR and Henry. I think they have two options, sign him and hope for a SB in the near future, or they decide that the only way to win the big one, is get a few more top draft picks and hope they improve the "D" and the offense is good enough to get them over the top? I'm not sure how they are Cap wise?
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| 200 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:57
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Shak, your right. IN the long run, Henry isn't worth a third round pick. I just think they are under a tremendous amount of pressure to make the playoffs now. What they have now isn't working. If Henry went to Seat, I wouldn't have any problem picking him up as my #2 RB. IMO, over the last 2 years, that is the worse division in football and Seat can't advance? Davis could be huge in the right system. Not as a number 1 WR but more of a Reggie Wayne or P. price in Buffalo type deal.
But like I said, that's just my opinion. If I new what I was talking about I would be on the sideline somewhere making the big bucks, driving a some big fancy car. No that's not true, I would still be driving my HEMI Dodge.
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| 201 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 22:00
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Is M. Morris good/big enough to replace Alexander? I havn't seen enough of him to make that judgement. If Not they would have to sign somebody?
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| 202 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 22:06
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Morris averaged 4.2 yds per carry. He only had something like 2 carries per game.
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| 203 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 22:07
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Ed, that sounds reasonable. You guys are acting like Seattle is a horrible team. It wasn't too long ago that they were considered the best team in the NFC. As it was, they were a playoff team and in the NFC, if you make the playoffs, you have a legit chance to get to the SB. I believe they can win the NFC West with Alexander. Without him they have no shot.
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| 204 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 22:13
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I know when I watch Seattle play, the defense looks great one game and terrible the next, looks like a lack of leadership and Like a N.E. team where you get the effort each and every game, with the Hawks you don't?
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| 205 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 22:50
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I don't think anyone would have predicted Barber to have that kind of year. I guess I will stand corrected. You can get a decent back in the later rounds that do actually start.
HOWEVER, which ones are going to be decent? Taking Manning first do you get luck and end up with the duo of Barber/Dunn or do you get Henry/Bennett.
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| 206 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 22:57
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Jim, I never said Davis. I said I don't think signing Alexander to a long term contract is the future in Seattle. Sure he is a top three back right now, but what is he in 5 years or so after signing the long term contract? Travis Henry, that's who. Getting a younger back and a stud WR could put them on the map. They have the line that could support a mediocre back and make him pretty decent. Hasselbeck would look a lot better as well.
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| 207 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 23:19
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The original question from FNAS was to elaborate why I thought the trade was unfair (Seattle trading Alexander and a 3rd rounder for Henry and Davis or the other way would be Cleveland trading Davis for Alexander). I guess you chimed in the middle of the argument without knowing the specifics because you are saying that Seattle should panic and get what it can for Alexander because they suck so bad on offense. You made the point that Alexander is basically their offense. So what will happen if they lose him? You say they need to go younger. He's only 27! He's in his prime. Name the last stud RB traded in his prime. Hershcel? Believe me, Seattle will not panic. They are a playoff team and have just a few weaknesses to fill. They did a good job of picking up players for their D. They will address their WR problem, but not by getting rid of their best player. I stand by my argument that no way Seattle trades Alexander to Cleveland for Davis.
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| 208 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 23:20
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Actually, in 5 years Alexander will be Curtis Martin, not Henry.
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| 209 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 23:23
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When did Andre Davis become a stud WR? I missed that season.
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| 210 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 23:35
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Ok, I guess I did chime in and didn't report on all of the specifics, I was addressing the question that you posed.
You said
"I don't get it. Why is Seattle desperate? Why isn't Philly desperate to get rid of TO? Because the team's have the advantage. Seattle will wait to get comparable value if they trade him at all."
I just responded to that question. Seattle should be desperate to make their team better. Their main concern is receiving I would think. They don't have many options to obtain above average receivers. Their stud RB is asking for a long term contract that would be a huge hit for their salary cap and would, depending on the length of the contract, be the ending time of Alexander's career. How do you improve their WR core without any bargaining chips? I am not saying they need to ship Alexander to win the SB, but if they don't improve their WR game, they won't get there at all. By selling Alexander, they make room in the cap, should get an above average younger back that could be signed to a long term contract and an above average WR. As I said, the O-line could make a mediocre back look good and the above average WR could take some pressure off of their other WR's and maybe they could hold onto the ball.
I am not giving specific names, just saying that there is a possibility of shipping Alexander and getting good players in return and they might stand a better chance of taking it all of the way IMO. Wasn't trying to stomp on anyone's toes here.
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| 211 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 23:37
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Davis for Alexander is not a fair trade by any means. Like you said Scott, Davis has not had a great season so there isn't any comparison.
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| 212 | Shak
ID: 165532722
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 23:38
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I forgot that Denver did trade Portis in a blockbuster trade, but they got a premiere shutdown corner in return.
Andre Davis has some potential, but Cleveland only wishes they could get a stud like Alexander for Davis. Buffalo won't even give up Henry for Davis. Davis is also in his final year and if he has a breakout year, it could get very expensive to re-sign him.
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| 213 | Shak
ID: 165532722
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 23:49
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I just can't see Alexander being traded because if no team is willing to trade a 3rd round pick to get Henry, who's going to be willing to trade Seattle what they need for Alexander?
That's an interesting question, why has no one spent a 3rd round pick on Henry. That seems more than fair. If I was Jax or Tenn, I would jump all over that. I don't think Henry would be disappointed to have to battle for playing time. I think he felt that the Bills did him wrong. He played his heart out for that team and they screwed him. I am willing to bet that Henry will have a more successful career than Chris Brown, and will be better over the next few years than Fred Taylor. I also think he would be a good fit for the Jets and Falcons. JMO
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| 214 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 23:54
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I agree. Henry is a good back and did work hard in Buffalo. He is worthy of a 3rd round pick.
I do see what you mean about teams wanting to cough up enough money, contract and players to get Alexander. He might be to big to ship right now.
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| 215 | RBP
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Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 00:28
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New thread is at........
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/mb/footst/524.shtml?1121315971
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| 216 | FNAS
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Sat, Jul 30, 2005, 04:59
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Just to clarify, we swap rounds 1 and 2. we are back to original draft slots for round 3 for the rest of the draft? If that's it, I'm good with that and no need for later round changes.
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