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Subject: Survivor 2005 Discussion Cont.....
Posted by: RBP
- [175571322] Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 23:39
Wow! The discussions on the other threads are outstanding. It's refreshing for a guy like me to have guys to talk FF with because NOBODY here gives a damn about any sports. Keep teh discussions rolling but let's move it into a new thread. Usually we stop and start again at 100+ posts so going over 200+ is some kind of record. Roll on........
Any proposed Survivor League names?
So on the whole this is Survivor II (Year 2).
But this is year one of the two league experiment (which is a great idea IMO). I think it is going to be easier to discuss the ins and outs of the leagues besides calling them Survivor I and II.
So we could name the "islands" like they do on the CBS show, Palau, Austrailia etc. I prefer to name the leagues after a pair Hall of Famers, one defensive and one offensive. Each year new players could be nominated. I'll start the nominations.
Actually since the league(s) are inter linked it would be better to say division 1 and 2. So with that how about......
Survivor II
Campbell Division
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?PLAYER_ID=40
(FNAS holds #1 pick)
Lambert Division
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=118
(Ednecks holds #1 pick)
Actually I just had an epiphany. The two owners each season with the #1 picks get to name the two divisions after their favorite HoF player, one offensive, one defensive. What you say? |
| 1 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 00:56
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I think that is a cool idea.
Quick HTML lesson:
To put a link to draft site one, http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2004/home/57655, you have a couple options.
1) Click on create and insert a link which is right below the block you type in when you are posting. When the window opens you paste the data into the box over the data that is already in there. Then you click okay. When the next window pops up, you can type in what you want the link to be called. In this case I just pasted the web site again. http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2004/home/57655
2) You can type out the data which would look like this:
{a href="http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2004/home/57655" target="_blank"}http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2004/home/57655{/a}
Replace the two { with < and the two } with >
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| 2 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 01:03
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Earl Campbell
Jack Lambert
League 1
League 2
Final Draft Order for both Leagues
Thread for who has paid and not paid. Santa is watching 24/7
Last Year's Survivor Draft thread, all rounds
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| 3 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 01:15
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Thank you "Mighty Sherpa"!
I'll utilize the insert a link tool next time around.
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| 4 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 01:41
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I am here to guide and mentor.
I thought it would be cool to have the extra links I posted handy in the most current thread we had going. Santa really is watching. I am going on leave tomorrow and won't be around until the 20th or so. Nothing much should be going on during those dates. I have a TDY coming up at the end of August. I hope we have a large part of the draft wrapped up by then.
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| 5 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 08:38
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Just a little Sherpa story: About 7 years ago I was walking this 14 miles track in the Scottish Highlands called the "Devils staircase". It was killing me, it was all up-hill with a winding zig-zag path. I've already stopped about 15 times and this Sherpa comes running by me running like he's going downhill and I see this guy in the Pub later when I get too the next town about 10 miles away and strike up a conversation with him, and he was telling me that he runs that track just to get warmed up in the morning before his team goes on it's daily 30 mile run in the mountains? He wouldn't elaborate on what he did, but I assumed it was TS stuff. I was just ammazed how effortlessly he blew by me and I could barely walk let alone run up that damn mountain.
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| 6 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 14:46
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Was everyone able to get on to both drafting sites? Any problems?
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| 7 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 15:47
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I am able to get in on both now.
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| 8 | JHHH
ID: 2204499
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 16:25
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I'm in both....
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| 9 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 16:38
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I'm in..
Did we determine when the draft is going to start?
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| 10 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 17:41
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Based on 10 of 18 votes it will be the 21st. What can we do if only 10 show up to vote?
BTW I'm into both myself.
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| 11 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 18:18
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How are you going to know if they show up or not until it's too late? Could just use the ten that are in and have Eghor (poker term) teams. Someone pick the next best player for that a position until the roster is filled. Eghor could win it all and carry the pot over until next year. Just a thought.
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| 12 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 18:42
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Oh and by the way,,, I'm absolutely cool with the Cambell division
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| 13 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 21:12
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I bet you are. I'll engage with each owner individually and make sure they know whats expected of them when teh draft starts. I'm not worried "YET".
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| 14 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 21:49
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Are you sure that your "little Sherpa" wasn't some kind of hallicination due to your lack of oxygen? Meeting him later in the pub could have been a Guinness induced vision.
Sounds a little far fetched. 14 miles to get warmed up? Do marathon runners run say 10 miles before the marathon. Nope. Just seems like some leg pulling. I could see 14 miles of "Devils Staircase" being a training run in itself. They usually don't name things like that because they are fun and easy. Thirty mile runs are pretty intense on flat ground let alone in the mountains. I am sure the SAS has teams capable of doing this, but I am sure they don't do it everyday. That sure wouldn't leave much time left in the day. BTW if you were trying to BS me, it worked pretty good, if not I think you may have gotten BS'd a little. OR maybe you had a visit from R. Williams and he gave you a bit of "enlightenment" before your hike.
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| 15 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 21:56
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Starting late Monday morning, I will be without internet access. I am going on a mini-holiday for the kids. I don't think I will be missing much other than "sherpa" stories:o)
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| 16 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 10:20
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Ed, is this a true statement?
"I believe I owe Shak Twenty toward the Fees this year, so if It's forty I'll pay 20 of his on a bet we had from last year."
I seem to remember that, but wasn't sure.
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| 17 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 10:34
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I was talking to some fellow old timers yesterday and we were recalling computer applications we remember using. Does anyone remember using WordStar and all the control shortcuts? How about Harvard Graphics? I remember doing so many slide presentations by printing on to transparancies with that thing. Those were the days, huh?
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| 18 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 12:56
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John Clayton on Shaun Alexander and Edge James
A good article by John Clayton on why Shaun Alexander will not be traded, nor will he get the long term deal for big money that he wants.
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| 19 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 18:16
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Shak, true i'll shoot Scotty the 20 bucks, you pay the rest. No problem, I just forgot....
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| 20 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 20:33
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Travis Henry, RB BUF
News: The Jacksonville Jaguars are close to a trade that would land the team Travis Henry. Head coach Jack Del Rio told the team's official website a deal for Henry could be completed "in the next few days or week."
Analysis: This potential deal means Fred Taylor's knee is an issue for this season. It also vaults Henry's value on rank lists.
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| 21 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 20:59
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Gents,
Man, you boys switch threads like most switch underwear. I'm a little slow on the uptake here...I've been to both the drafting sites and I can see them.
But...
What's the deal with the 21st? Didn't see the question/poll.
Assume we're using the myfantasyleague.com site for the drafting portion...were login's sent out or do we have to register over there? I've used this site before and usually the person setting up the league enters all that info and it's emailed to you.
Sorry if this has all been covered before.
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| 22 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 21:16
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Re: Henry
Very surprising to me just how little top backs are worth to NFL teams these days. A "clean" 3rd round pick seems a fairly modest price to pay for a guy like Henry. For someone like S. Alexander it would be almost criminal.
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| 23 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 21:49
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Draft Date Vote
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| 24 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 22:10
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Henry to Titans?
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| 25 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 22:11
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"were login's sent out or do we have to register over there? I've used this site before and usually the person setting up the league enters all that info and it's emailed to you."
Yes you should have recieved it in your email. I'll double check your eamil account on the site.
Links are above in post 2.
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| 26 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 22:24
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Disregard. Found the emails in my inbox. (The whole fam uses the same email address and the emails tend to pile up at times).
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| 27 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 23:31
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Nobody else remembers WordStar or Harvard Graphics? I really feel old now.
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| 28 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 23:36
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Jimbo I do not. Never heard of it. You must be old.
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| 29 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 00:54
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WordStar = MS-Word
Harvard Graphics = MS-PowerPoint
Both of them ran very nicely on my Z-150, complete with its 10Mb removable hard drive.
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| 30 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 03:03
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Uhhh, your old 2.
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| 31 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 03:48
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I think, as a Henry owner, I would like to see him in Jacksonville more. He would have a better shot at getting the starting job over fragile Freddy than Chris Brown in Tennesse.
I see Seattle is still interested though.
Running back Fred Taylor's health could determine whether the Jags pursue a trade with Buffalo for unhappy Travis Henry. The Florida Times-Union reports that the Jags are the front-runner for Henry's services. Seattle and Tennessee are still in the running however. (updated: 07/15/2005)
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| 32 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 07:18
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NFL Networks, Total Access's Adam Sheftler says its going to be Jax and probably next week.
Can you guys get Direct TV accross the pond?
NFL Network, 55 preseason games in 25 days.
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| 33 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 07:25
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"Can you guys get Direct TV accross the pond?
NFL Network, 55 preseason games in 25 days."
Man I only wish! Actually for the first time in years I'll be home for opening day of the NFL season and the NCAA. Can't wait to watch football on SATURDAY and SUNDAY afternoon!
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| 34 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 09:49
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Dish Network is the best we can do up here and they don't have the NFL Network or NFL Sunday ticket.
As for Henry, I'm not sure he stands a better chance playing in Jax as opposed to Tenn. Chris Brown is as fragile as Fred and he has less talent. I see him as an insurance policy in Jax and the possible long term answer as starting RB in Tenn.
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| 35 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 11:26
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The only advantage tp going to Jax that I see is that I would rather play against the Tenn defense instead of the Jax defense.
Here in SC, we get just as much coverage of Jax as we do Carolina. The local sports casters have been hinting that Taylor will not be ready to play.
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| 36 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 11:48
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Fred might not be ready. The article I read yesterday with quotes from Jack Del Rio sounded "cautiously optimistic" he would be ready by the opener. Like I said in my previous post, Henry is a nice insurance policy. Don't think he starts ahead of a healthy Fred though. I could see him beating out a healthy Chris Brown straight up with the added bonus of being a local product from the U of Tenn.
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| 37 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 13:58
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I think you forget how good Henry can be. I beleive he held Jamal Lewis off his Senior year at Tenn, I know Lewis was recovering from a ACL, but the guy is a good BAck. I'd rather see him in Tenn myself.
I used Wordstar back in the mid/late eighties, I had just got used to all the shortcuts and MS Word took over, I liked Wordstar and Harvard.
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| 38 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 15:34
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Henry to the Titans. According to ESPN:
The Tennessee Titans have reached agreement in principle on a trade to acquire disgruntled Buffalo Bills running back Travis Henry and,
barring unexpected complications, the deal will be announced early next week.
In return for Henry, who last season lost his starting job to Willis McGahee and who has not participated in any of the Bills' offseason
sessions, Buffalo will receive a 2006 third-round draft choice. The paperwork for the trade, which is not contingent upon the Titans reaching a
contract extension agreement with Henry, has been forwarded to the league offices.
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| 39 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 18:06
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NFL.com says it is the Titans as well. Man I just can't beleive Tenn is ready to give up on Brown. Surely Henry will be the starter. I agree with Ed. Henry is still a top ten RB. OK maybe number ten but I think he lost his job in Buff more because of Politics than his ability. Buff had to play McGahee after that crazy draft pick.
I guess that opens the door for E. James to sign with Jax next season. It's going to be interesting how far down the line Fragile Freddy is drafted this year.
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| 40 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 18:11
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Don't forget that Norm Chow is now the O-Coordinator in Tennessee. I expect the offense to be improved possibly even explosive.
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| 41 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 18:17
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Good point RBP. Will Chow suffer the same fate as Spurrier or will he be a huge success? It'll certainly be interesting to watch. Replacing Mason's production won't be easy.
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| 42 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 18:23
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I almost mentioned Mason leaving, good point. I think Chow will be fine, they paid him a butt load so he better be FINE!
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| 43 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 18:43
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Is McNair able to stay healthy for the whole season? I know the backup guy, can't remember his name was pretty nice last year. They get Henry and Bennett and Calico can get open they could be a very nice surprize next year. Where do you take Henry and McNair? How much does Brown play? I think Henry will be drafted ahead of Brown and probably a top 25 pick.
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| 44 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Sat, Jul 16, 2005, 19:37
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billy volek
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| 45 | Superclydes
ID: 431113279
Sun, Jul 17, 2005, 03:50
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I read that Brown is still the starter, but they are saying that Henry will get plenty of time because of the injuries to Brown. How can anyone predict injuries? If Brown is the starter, this isn't good news for me and my dynasty league. Unless Brown breaks another hand in preseason, I have a great backup!!
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| 46 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sun, Jul 17, 2005, 09:05
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Sounds like RBBC to me.
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| 47 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Sun, Jul 17, 2005, 12:39
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ARG!! Well at least I know he will see some time there. If he stayed in Buffalo, he wouldn't be playing at all this season.
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| 48 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sun, Jul 17, 2005, 18:47
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SC,
Don't give up hope. I really beleive if Henry and the Titans can come to a term deal, Henry will start. IMO...
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| 49 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Sun, Jul 17, 2005, 23:39
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We'll see.
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| 50 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Mon, Jul 18, 2005, 02:36
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Henry is better than Brown IMO. The sooner this deal gets done the better it will be for the Titans and Henry. TT could be better than people think.
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| 51 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Mon, Jul 18, 2005, 10:39
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I think Henry will end up starting in Tenn as well. It's just a matter of how long it takes him to pick up the offense.
Fisher will have Tenn ready to play ball. The problem for them is they play in a division with some very nice up and coming teams. Indy is top 2 or 3 in the AFC. Jax is very close to being a very good team and Houston should make a real push this year. The Titans could do very well and still end up 4th in their division.
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| 52 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 18, 2005, 11:04
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The bottom line is RBBC are dangerous at best. I really didn't think Magahee would take the job last year, I thought it would take a least one more year? All these backs that have studs sitting behind them are one injury or bad performance from sitting all year. Williams/Brown, Holmes/Johnson, Thomas/Benson, Shipp/Arrington, Garner/Anderson, Green/Davenport etc...Where do you take the likes of Henry and the other backs that could take the job with a good summer? I'm not trying to scare anyone, but the only ones that look pretty safe are LT, Alexander, James, Dillon, K. Jones, J, Jones, CMArt, Magahee, Tiki, Westbrook.
In a regular league you can get his backup, in this format you will be hurting. I know most of these guys I mentioned are probably safe picks, but I'd be a little concerned and will take the safer route if possible.
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| 53 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Mon, Jul 18, 2005, 17:23
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Rudi Johnson and Portis are safe too. I reallize that your list wasn't "complete" nor intended to and you bring up good points. RBBC canj be death to a fantasy football team. It's not so bad when you have two starters and 2 guys who RBBC but when ALL of your guys share carries it hurts.
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| 54 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 18, 2005, 18:37
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I guess the question is what round do you draft some of these guys in? Guys like S. Davis, Foster, Ricky, Henry, Brown, Garner, Pittman, the rookies? I mean in this format you want consistent scorers in your first 1-5 rounds, Where is everyone going to start gambling?
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| 55 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Mon, Jul 18, 2005, 19:21
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Ed,
I can pretty much bet in league 1, if they haven't yet, for sure will start with pick 16
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| 56 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Mon, Jul 18, 2005, 19:36
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The guys with nice backups don't really bother me so much. A. Green & P. Holmes are going to get the carries unless they get injured. I'd much rather have P. Holmes than C. Portis even though Holmes has a nice backup and Portis doesn't. It's the guys like T. Jones, M. Shipp, & C. Garner that definitely worry me because their backup may have more talent and at some point you know the coach will want to find out. Two different issues to me.
The problem with all these rookies is none of 'em are a lock to start. If it was a K. Jones or J. Jones situation from last year it would be a different story. Still, I agree with FNAS, someone will roll the dice.
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| 57 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Mon, Jul 18, 2005, 20:06
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GC,,
I am not sure but wouldn't be surprised if it was Shipp that is the backup.
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| 58 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 18, 2005, 20:06
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Even with the Jones boys from last, Gary had the right idea, they just didn't start performing until mid/late season and he was long gone by then. It's obvious your going to gamble at some point, If you got Magahee last year then you were very happy. Do you take a guy like Horn/S. Smith over a possible stud in Henry or Arrington?
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| 59 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Mon, Jul 18, 2005, 20:11
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I'll take Arrington, leave him for me.
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| 60 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 00:33
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I had a change in plans, so I will be around for a few days, then on holiday.
I feel that teams are going to go to the RBBC in the future. Why risk your entire running game on one person? I haven't seen a team successful at it yet, but Pittsburg was close last year. I am not saying to do it quite as predictable with them and goaline situaions, but there aren't two backs with the same running style, so why not mix it up? This is going to kill FF but I could actually see it happening.
Gary, in response to Indy being top 2-3 in the AFC, I can't see where Indy is short of being top. They do have a tough division, but think they are just one of the best teams out there. Jacksonville has QB and RB issues to say the least. Houston is up and coming, but they aren't quite there yet. Tennesse has an old, beat up QB. Don't get me wrong, I like McNair, I actually saw him play in Boise when he was playing in college in the Big Sky division. Out of the entire AFC, who can challenge their team? I see two teams giving them a problem. I know this is saying what you said, but I think they are tops, not 2-3. Pittsburg. They have a great running game and defense. Roths, is not the QB of the future for them. He got real lucky last year because of their defense. New England has the package as Indy do. They have a great QB, RB combo and their receivers aren't stand outs but put up numbers. I just don't see Indy being classed anything as number 1 without challengers. I know they have failed in the playoffs each year, but you can't argue with their stats. 49 TD's in one season passing, James had 1,000 + yards and 9 TD himself and THREE 1,000 receivers. How can you go wrong? They are the tops and should be the challengers.
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| 61 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 01:00
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New England Patriots.
They are the "Tops"
Indy is the Challenger.
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| 62 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 01:02
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It is only a matter of time. Indy has the team, just can't do it in the playoffs.
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| 63 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 01:15
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FNAS -- Wouldn't surprise me to see Arrington take the job from Shipp. I just listed M. Shipp as the starter because he's the incumbent.
Edneck -- Henry/Arrington vs. Horn/S. Smith...now that's a very interesting question. I think it all depends on who you already picked up. Personally, I'd probably roll the dice a little and take Henry outta that deal. If it was Arrington vs. either two WRs, I'd probably go the WR route.
Superclyde -- IMO, Indy is #2 in the AFC until they can beat the Pats. It's more than just the playoffs...they just don't beat the Pats...regular season or the playoffs. I'll take Manning over Brady every time in a fantasy league and Brady over Manning every time in a real game.
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| 64 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 01:22
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I do agree there. Indy just can't touch the Pats, but they have the best team out there in stats anyway. I had a chance to watch them a lot last year and evertime I saw them, barring playoff games, they were incredible. How can you have a QB throw 4 TD's and have James run 2 in and not call them the best? They don't have the record to prove it, but in a FF league they do.
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| 65 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 01:49
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Everyone knows Marvin Harrison will catch the ball and be a 1,000 yard receiver each year. But would you have predicted R. Wayne to get 1,200 yards and 12 TD's this year? Not to mention the other TWO receivers this year to get over 1,000 yards and a total of 25 TD's last year.
Indy rules FF I don't care what any of you say. If you don't draft Manning or James or any of the WR's, in the first couple of rounds, I would say you weren't in contention at the end.
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| 66 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 01:58
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"Indy rules FF I don't care what any of you say. If you don't draft Manning or James or any of the WR's, in the first couple of rounds, I would say you weren't in contention at the end."
I made the finals in two leagues last season with no Colts. With that being said you won't do too bad with a roster of Indy players.
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| 67 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 03:58
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I am not saying that you have to have Indy players to make the playoffs, I am just saying that if you have Stokkley, Harrison, Wayne, James and Manning, how can you go wrong? All of those players listed should be considered elite. Am I wrong? If they aren't chosen in the first couple of rounds, that they person chosing hasn't looked at the stats. More $$ for me then!!
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| 68 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 04:07
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With that being said you won't do too bad with a roster of Indy players.
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| 69 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 04:07
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I may have overstepped my bounds by saying that Indy rules FF.
They have a team of all-stars. I was trying to say that they are more of a team, FF wise, that New England was. Dillon has made a huge contribution that team. Brady only threw 28 TD's with 14 ints. Standard if you ask me. They didn't have a 1,000 receiver last year. Their defense is what saved them. However, they did go to the big dance and win it all, but from a FF prospect, how can you ignore Indy in a draft or consider them 2-3 best in the AFC?
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| 70 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 05:08
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I'd agree that Indy is #2 behind NE.
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| 71 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 07:23
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In fantasy or real-world?
Indy in FF hands down.
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| 72 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 07:34
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There are only three first rounders between these two teams.
P. Manning
E. James
C. Dillon
That is it. I would think that there are nobody else.
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| 73 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 07:45
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Anyone of the receivers from Indy could also fall into the first round after T.O. and Moss.
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| 74 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 16:51
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Good chance TO or Moss goes at number 16 in draft 1.
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| 75 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 17:30
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(subliminal message noted)
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| 76 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 17:41
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Come on Scott. There is only one thing in this world that I would lie about. That's my future draft picks. Or am I
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| 77 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 18:23
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Moss at 16 is great value IMO and a solid RB will be there in round 2 (pick 21).
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| 78 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 18:57
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Moss on last years stats was a dud pick. I'm sure he will improve on those in Oakland and I know he only played 11 games.
Stop messing with my mind, I don't know who to take at #15 now in the second draft?
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| 79 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 19:11
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Ed,,
Who's playing?? I'm dead damn serious. No I'm not, yes I am, no I'm not, yes I am. With all the rankings I'm seeing 15 on back is going to have to come up with some crazy stuff.
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| 80 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 01:04
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Two words
Stoney Case!!
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| 81 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 05:53
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Being a rookie in this league, I'm allowed a certain amount of dumb questions. Looking back at last years league, it appears that as long as you have steady points every week, it doesn't matter which positions were drafted first. Is that true? It looked like injuries may have played more of a roll in the out come than the draft.
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| 82 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 06:26
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Yes, a team full of steady performers will beat a team with explosive players eventually. Injuries and bye week management is also very important.
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| 83 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 10:55
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It's hard to perdict what a good team is and a average team will be. At some points last year, Scotty looked invincible along with about 5 other teams, all it takes is a very bad outing from your QB and average points from the rest and your staring at leaving the Rock. I said last year that if you can get 20 points from 3 players most every week you'll hang around quite a while. Clyde won because he didn't have hardly any bad weeks, Someone scored when the Studs were average, I can't remember him being in the bottom 3 all season.
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| 84 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 13:47
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I never was bottom 3. I didn't have an above average team. I did score very well every week and that is how I won both top scorer and overall champ. Like I keep saying, I didn't draft a great team, I just happenend to draft Mushin and he had a great year. Adam V. really helped as well. Bye weeks and injuries are the killer to this format, not much else.
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| 85 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 13:54
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It's hard to draft a winner in this format, too many variables to get right..Luck is not something you can Draft?
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| 86 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 14:01
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Too true. Stoney Case!!
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| 87 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 15:54
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Anyone want to trade for my pick #1 and round 4 for their first and third ? Make me a offer looking for something below pick #11
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| 88 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 16:10
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Scared now? You won't win anyway, you are putting too much thought into it.
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| 89 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 16:17
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True, I'm always scared. One exception is you winning again, that freak of nature only happens once every 100 years!!
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| 90 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 16:31
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Ed,
If your sober or serious either one, I'm game.
Have you guys looked at the auction draft going on. What a brilliant move sending out Fragile Freddy so early. There is some serious strategy being played out in that league
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| 91 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 16:34
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FNAS, I am not putting down the other draft, but what could be more challenging than this?
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| 92 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 16:46
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FNAS, I said someone who has pick #10 and below in the draft I have the #1 pick. You have 16 I think. Looking for a certain guy and I'm willing to drop dwon to get him plus a little bonus? Sober, I don't drink?
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| 93 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 17:20
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SC,
As challenging as this survivor league is, I love the gamesmanship of a good auction draft. Making people bid on fred taylor that early inthe draft, not to mention Holmes, you can see that who ever through him out is definately after a bigger fish. Manning going first was either a new player or someone that wants lots of money to be spent early. The last auction draft I played in was Frank Thomas's second year inthe league. Hard to find people that like the format.
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| 94 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 17:21
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Ed,
I got the "below" thing bass ackwards. I almost had a chubby there for a minute.
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| 95 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 18:25
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Clever that "bass ackwards" No problem, I'm not that bright, but I'm not completely stupid.
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| 96 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 18:47
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Chuck I'm a huge auction fan. I was last in an auction back in the 96-97 rangem (I ran the league till I PCS'ed). Tremendous strategy from beginning to end. I'd love to get back in an "redraft" auction type of league. You start one and I'll join.
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| 97 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 18:54
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FNAS -- Don't feel too bad. I read it bass ackwards too and had an email to Ed with an offer ready to go until I saw the clarification.
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| 98 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 18:58
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Looks like Ricky Williams is good to go with the 'Phins. I believe he has a 4 game suspension to serve and then he'll be available.
Any thoughts on how that playing time plays out between Ricky and Ronnie Brown?
My thought is it's a RBBC once Ricky comes back unless Brown looks like the second coming. I don't think Saban wants Ricky long term and the only way to get value is to play him some and show he still has the desire and ability to produce.
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| 99 | RBP
ID: 38622018
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 19:12
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Ed, to clarify....
If you and I were to trade......
you give up #1 and #74
I give up #12 and #48.
If that is correct then my answer is no. I'm intruiged but not that much. You've expressed an interest in trading down and I'm willing but not at that price. Maybe someone down the line is interested.
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| 100 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 19:24
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Why that's fair to get the #1 player in the draft. Just a small drop? The offer still stands for any others who wish to get LT?
Ricky's a Gamble anyway you look at it GCobb. I know he's one of your Longhorn brothers, but he's still a Drug addict, Cross dresser, unreliable teammate with serious talent!!
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| 101 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 19:32
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RBP,
I wish I had time. I run a league, play in 4 and have 4 classes until my Bachelors is done. I plan to retire sometime around the first of the year so I have tons to do.
CG,,
I keep hearing the so called experts saying that RW will start when he comes back. I am by no means an expert but I really don't think he'll be the same player if he isn't stoned. You look back at him always wearing that dark mask and one has to wonder, how many times he played crocked off his butt? Besides, he really only had one great season. Maybe he'll be better sober, who knows??
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| 102 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 19:42
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On the odd chance that there are any Cowboy fans out there, Aikman, E. Smith, and Irvin have been inducted to the Ring of Honor. Very touching. Irvin cried, Smith slobbered all over Jerry Jones and Aikman, hey he's Aikman.
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| 103 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 22:24
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Ed, if the offer still stands, I will trade you from the ten spot. My first and third for your first and fourth.
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| 104 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 23:28
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Sorry to dangle the carrot, but I've changed my mind. I said before that I would stay on #1, since I never do, so I better listen to my words.
I saw the jump from pick 72 to 46 and licked my chops. lets say it turns out like this:
#10 Dominick Davis
#36 Tom Brady
#37 A. Johnson
#46 Duce Staley
And If I stay:
#1 LT
#36 Tom Brady
#37 A. Johnson
#72 Coles
I should get a better WR or RB @ 46, but I don't think it will make up for losing LT/Holmes/Alexander.
My bad!!!
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| 105 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 23:35
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That wasn't very nice. I suggest next time you put a little thought into a trade offer before you go public with it. Your credibility just took a hit.
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| 106 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 00:07
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If you feel hard done by, I'll honor the offer. I did make it and it's not that bad. I dont need your suggestions either?
Make sure Scotty has the changes my #1 and #4 for your #1 and #3.
Final....
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| 107 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 00:18
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"Anyone want to trade for my pick #1 and round 4 for their first and third ? Make me a offer looking for something below pick #11"
10 isn't below 11 unless I missed something.
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| 108 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 00:28
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Scotty, Shak is right I made the offer and I hate it when people pull it back also. Honor the trade. It should be my picks 1 and 72 for his 10 and 46. Not a big deal and No hard feeling's either. The offer was made for people who had picks 1 thru 10, I worded it strange is all.
Ed
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| 109 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 00:44
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Ok, I'm showing it as a good trade and will update myfantasyleague.com when I get home.
I hope you aren't targeting "my guy" at 10!
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| 110 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 00:50
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If your guy is a White dude then your safe? Mine is a running back and it isn't Goings?
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| 111 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 02:44
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Geez Ed, you can even cause controversy in July!! That takes some serious talent. I must admit, I am glad I am not commishing too many leagues you are in. I just don't have enough time in my days to keep up with you. I don't mean anything personal about this, because I do enjoy an owner who is active. You just seem to take this to a new level. Glad to have you in the contract league and here as well. I will enjoy your money from baseball as well. Can anyone stop D. Lee this year??
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| 112 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 02:59
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I am sure that last post will get a few responses. I really did mean no harm by that last post. Ed, I really do enjoy having you in my leagues both as a competitor and a friend. It just seems that you brew controversy like a pot of coffee. It isn't hard to see that you know your stuff and have the record to prove it, but I have never seen anyone start more crap than you. I know you do it mostly for fun, but you do actually put a commish at a disadvantage. We usually have to struggle to figure out what is best for the league on items that usually aren't a concern. I am not saying shut up and color, but maybe just stick to player issues. I am not trying to be an arse here, but reading all of these posts, which is my choice, about more controversy is getting old.
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| 113 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 03:22
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"Mike, First off the ROCK!"
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| 114 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 04:21
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Mike 2004 Survivor champ!!
I am not meaning to start anything here.
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| 115 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 04:46
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You are drunk, admit it :-)
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| 116 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 05:07
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I guess I need to chill out a little. This is the reason we have these discussions to sort things out. I apologize to everyone for posting this garbage. If I am still welcome in the league, I will still play, but if not let me know.
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| 117 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 06:12
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I'm puzzled by the last 5-6 messages.
"If I am still welcome in the league, I will still play, but if not let me know."
Where the heck did that come from!??!!?!?
Mr. Clyde, put the bottle of Wiskey down, go take a nap and we'll see you tomorrow. ;-)
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| 118 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 06:18
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Trade is posted on myfantasy league and I spelled Trash's name correctly.
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| 119 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 06:45
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Scott, I knew what I was saying way contrivercial to say the least, but just wanted to say that I didn't mean any harm. No wiskey bottle here, just midshift.
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| 120 | Joe
ID: 4652283
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 07:09
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Getting a little down on this page. I think we need a nice clown or something in here to cheer people up. Go to google search and look for some clowns. Or strippers......um, I cant get strippers on this computer (KFOR computer), so I will stick with the clowns. AHHHHH. Im happy already!
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| 121 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 09:50
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I'm not even sure what Mike is talking about? The trade or something else? If that gets him upset then he needs to find something else like Tiddywinks or Backgammon, I wasn't trying to stir the pot or anything else. I saw the jump of 26 spots or better from 72-46 and I thought it not a bad plan with the running backs in the first round being deep?
IF it's relates to something else then give me a ring, I'll explain anything that's bothering him? 01924-440391
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| 122 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 10:10
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I am an idiot. I haven't had much sleep all week and didn't need to take it out on Ed. I have no problem with him or anyone, just being stupid I guess.
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| 123 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 10:20
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Believe me, I wasn't starting any controversy? Two grown men were discussing things and I can handle that Shak thought it not nice about turning his offer down. I agreed with him, I thought about it and he was right that I should have kept it private and backing out leaves a bad taste in a few folks mouths. I honered the offer as I though it a proper thing to do and we moved on. You obviously have a few issues of your own to deal with, I have admmitted to you in the past that I was over the top on occasions and you seem to bring that up as often as possible.
I'm sure you and everyone in this league have changed their mind about a trade offer at the last minute. That was all that happened nothing malicious or devious planned. I will admit when I'm wrong and stand up for my opinion If I think I'm right. I'm not trying to make life hard on poor Mike?
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| 124 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 10:32
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Now we are back to normal. Just to clarify. I have picks 10, 36,37,46 as my first four rounds.
Shak, I know your first two picks will be nice, but waiting from 26 to 64 before you pick again will hurt a little especially if you don't take a QB with your first two picks?
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| 125 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 10:56
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Big time issues at home. No offense Ed. You did the right thing by honoring the trade. I just guess that you were my venting option. As I have said, I do enjoy you in all of the leagues. I will give you a call to sort it out.
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| 126 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 11:08
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Ed, your number is disconnected. Call me collect at 01353 615781.
WOW I have some serious issues:o)
Not that those aren't going to stop me kicking arse here!!
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| 127 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 12:07
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I'm sure Buddy would agree with Ya, I'm a pain in the Butt. My wife tells me that everyday. No big deal. No need to explain!!
"Clyde first off the rock"
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| 128 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 12:59
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I sure feel better now. I was starting to get depressed reading those posts...almost thought I was gonna need an appointment at the base hosp to get under a SAD light!
Now, can we get back to talking some football? Ed, who's the target at 10? I know you can't contain your enthusiasm for too long!
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| 129 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 13:15
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SAD Light, what that? I can't even get a little Love from GCobb? I'm looking for A QB at #10? or maybe A top notch WR? Owens or Moss. Maybe Manning, Culpepper.
I talk only the truth now days. My credibility has been questioned and I need to redeem myself!!
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| 130 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 14:04
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Seasonal Affectiveness Disorder (aka, not getting enough sun light). People get depressed from not getting sunshine so they go to the hosp and sit under the SAD light for a 1/2 hour.
Ricky will be there at 10. You're in luck!
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| 131 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 15:08
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Javon Walker: Why do these guys think one season make's them a superstar?
This is what is being said.
This has the potential to get ugly. The Packers didn't renegotiate with Mike McKenzie when he held out of training camp last season and only acquiesced on his trade demands once he 'hurt his hamstring' during the season. While it is clear Walker is not being paid as well as last season's production suggests he should be, the Packers are pointing to the fact that he has two years left on his rookie deal and only one real productive season on his resume. All indications are that the Packers would be willing to renegotiate his deal prior to next season, but it remains to be seen if Rosenhaus' standard negotiating ploy, the holdout, will result in a new deal for Javon this summer.
Could make Driver and Ferguson a lot bigger?
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| 132 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 16:47
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WOW, Where's Buddy.. I can't get blamed for that one.
Ed,
No worries man. I get that all the time.
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| 133 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 17:06
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I was really impressed with your analysis until I came across the word "acquiesced". I knew right then and there it wasn't your work. Never heard the Edneck use a 3 syllable word when 1 syllable will do.
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| 134 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 17:16
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Hard to get educated in them Kentucky Holler's.
"acquiesced", That's a word you don't need very often back Home!!! When you have to kill your vittles most nights, it doesn't come up in conversation. I had to go look up the meaning.
Clyde first off the Rock
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| 135 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 17:50
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"Hard to get educated in them Kentucky Holler's.
"acquiesced", That's a word you don't need very often back Home!!! When you have to kill your vittles most nights, it doesn't come up in conversation."
I thought of "Deliverence".
(N)Ed....squeal like a pig :-)
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| 136 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Jul 21, 2005, 18:39
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That was actually a river in Georiga, A bunch of my dad's friends from FT. Benning went on a Canoeing trip down that river. Classic Line.
Sounds like another Sherpa story, which both are true by the way!!!!
I got a few Shark stories if you want to hear them?
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| 137 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Fri, Jul 22, 2005, 05:52
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True story,,
First house that I looked at when I moved to Shaw was on Deliverence Ln. Had to pass. I think the entire neighborhood could have been from the movie
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| 138 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Jul 22, 2005, 10:15
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You got to admit those inbred country boys could play the Banjo? Dueling Banjo's, I can hear it now!! You've given me a hankering to see that movie again!
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| 139 | TrashHaulers
ID: 15134128
Fri, Jul 22, 2005, 11:53
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Hey fellers... sorry I've been absent... been packing up house and outprocessing ol' Moldyhole. We fly out on 30 July for 30 days leave. I will be around to draft or send lists or designate a drafter for my picks. One way or another I'll "get 'er done"!
My e-mail addy for leave will be:
bunizo_2005@yahoo.com
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| 140 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Jul 22, 2005, 12:03
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Hey Buddy, enjoy your thirty days and have sone fun....
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| 141 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Fri, Jul 22, 2005, 21:18
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BUDDY,,
Do you want the DFFL keepers sent to you or me on the 6th?
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| 142 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Fri, Jul 22, 2005, 21:51
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Enjoy that leave while it lasts. I have 19 duty days left here, can't wait to get off of "this rock".
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| 143 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 07:05
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I'm sorry to ask but I can't seem to find the confirmation of the draft date. Has it been determined yet?
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| 144 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 11:41
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FNAS: Link to the draft vote below
Draft Vote
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| 145 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 11:46
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So, does anyone have some thoughts on the T.O. situation? Both T.O. and Rosenhaus have been all over the news the last couple days posturing. Their latest position seems to be T.O. will be in camp to avoid all the fines, but he won't be happy and they feel the contract situation will be a distraction. Sounded like an ultimatum to me...redo the contract, trade him, or live with him creating a huge scene in training camp. It will be very interesting to see how they handle this.
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| 146 | FNAS
ID: 27647238
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 11:46
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GC,,
I voted over a week ago.
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| 147 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 11:47
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Right...the last post on that thread lists the 21st as the draft date.
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| 148 | FNAS
ID: 27647238
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 11:49
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I beleive the locker room will church things up.
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| 149 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 11:55
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T.O. doesn't seem like a guy who cares much about the feeling in the locker room. As they say, "T.O. like's him some him".
If it were me, I'd bring him to camp, hope for the best, and send him home at the first sign he was turning things into a circus. Even if it meant he had to be paid for sitting at home. In the end, I think T.O. likes the spotlight a little too much to just be sitting at home doing nothing.
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| 150 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 13:15
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I think Philly know's whatever they do he will eventually cause some kind of havic. I love the way he plays, but when he becomes bigger then the team, you got to say goodbye. I trade him and Mitchell away and hope for the best. Philly fans are for what have you done for me lately, they will turn on the eagles in a heartbeat...Worst fans in any sport!!
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| 151 | FNAS
ID: 27647238
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 14:26
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DC,,
I agree, calling him names and hurting his itty bitty feelings probably won't do it but like D. Woodson said last night on the NFL network, "if it was me, I would punch him right in the mouth".
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| 152 | FNAS
ID: 27647238
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 14:36
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Ed,
Mitchell is in KC.
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| 153 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 15:25
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FNAS,
I forgot about Mitchell moving, He's not high on my radar for a selection in this draft.
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| 154 | FNAS
ID: 27647238
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 15:54
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What do you mean Ed? Mitchell isn't going to take reeptions away from Tony G? Isn't mitchell the same guy that talks about and to his hands in the third person? What a flippin idiot.
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| 155 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 18:13
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KC would've been better off talking Derrick Alexander into coming out of retirement than taking on Freddie Mitchell.
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| 156 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 19:15
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Why can't KC sign a decent WR? I mean everyone they bring in is average at best and that only makes it harder on T. Green. I guess with TG and PH in the offense you only get so many touches anyway?
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| 157 | FNAS
ID: 27647238
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 19:36
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ED,,
You look back over there last 3 years of draft picks and I am just as confused as you. Until this year they didn't do anything about their D but they never got a WR either.. It's just beyond me. Trent Green could be a top 5 QB if had some help. Not sure but I would guess that Gonzo and Holmes contributed to at least 3/4 of KCs receptions.
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| 158 | FNAS
ID: 27647238
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 19:38
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Hell, the only WR I can remember playing for KC was Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, after he left the Oilers.
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| 159 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 20:13
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FNAS,
I hear ya!!
Kennison: big play guy,average, Morton: not sure what his problem is/was? Boerighter: who knows how good he is? D. Hall/slot WR at best. No #1 bonified Wideout. I know the defense was the priority, but grab a WR in the Draft that may make a difference at least.
Still saying that, they got the best Offense in the NFL besides Indy.
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| 160 | FNAS
ID: 27647238
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 21:03
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Absolutely. I think their ranking is going to take a hit playing Denver twice this year. Denver has got one whicked nasty D. IMO, that is going to be the funnest division to watch. The new black and blue division. I think I would have to go Denver, SD, KC and Oak. Kind of all depends on if KC did enough to bolster their D. Got some pro bowlers but how well will they play together? That division is the only one that I see that any of the 4 could win the division. Damn man, do you ever sleep?
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| 161 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sun, Jul 24, 2005, 12:24
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I think KC is going to be very, very strong this year. Gunther Cunningham, given some talent to work with, can coach defense. They added some playmakers on that side of the ball in P. Surtain, K. Bell, S. Knight, and the absolute steal of the draft, Derrick Johnson.
Agree with FNAS. This should be a very fun division to watch. My prediction: San Diego ends up third in that division. No clue who wins it, but I'd put my money on Denver or KC.
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| 162 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sun, Jul 24, 2005, 12:46
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GC,,
I can't argue with SD finishing third. I don't have a lot of faith that Lt, Gates, and Brees can carry the O. KC has the potential to be a monster. This is going to be a super heavy weight knock down, drag out battle.
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| 163 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sun, Jul 24, 2005, 20:27
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Just checking. I hadn't seen any posts all day and I ran a Spry-bot program
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| 164 | JHHH
ID: 2204499
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 02:03
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KC did draft Sylvester Morris...BUST! There are too many busts in drafting WRs. If I were a GM, I would never draft a WR only pick them up in Free Agency.
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| 165 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 02:20
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Never? I find that hard to believe. If they are available in teh draft and good value/have good upside you take them.
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| 166 | RBP
ID: 5859283
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 06:42
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Things have slowed down here a little which is fine.
Did I mention that I cannot wait to watch college football on SATURDAY afternoons and the NFL on SUNDAY afternoons!?!?!?!?
Being overseas for 10+ years straight will drive a man insane. 1 more in Osan and hopefully the next 4 at Elmendorf!!! That would be 15 years overseas......
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| 167 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 09:31
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The thing about WR's in the NFL is you never know how he's going to handle the route running and disapline of a NFL ofense. They are so used to being the total focus of a College offense that they get lost in a NFL games at time. You can't teach route running and toughness. So Jon is right in that WR's seem to bust more then other positions. I would still draft guys/WR's who seem to have all the tools and hopefully he is the real deal. Morris was from a small school and had injury problems to boot...unlucky!!
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| 168 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 10:35
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Jon is right in principle. You still have to draft some, but the guys who you draft in the first round should be limited to the Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Roy Williams types. As Ed mentioned, you never know which guys will adjust to the mental aspects of the NFL. Guys like Jabar Gaffney, Rod Gardner, and Santana Moss might have good, but not great physical talent and are too much of a risk of being a bust. I'd let the other guys draft them and work the FA/waiver wire to fill out my roster at that position.
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| 169 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 11:02
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You are all correct IMO but shouldn't the NFL teams take the program they came from in to consideration before they draft them. I think WRs more than any other position is drafted more of a self defense or to keep that player away from another team more than them filling a need with a player that will fit into their system. Along those same lines is why you see so many when a #2 is promoted to #1 or signs with another team as #1 they are not usually very successful. They learn to be a good #2 but they do not learn to fight off double coverage. But if I knew what I was talking about, I would probably have a front office job with some NFL team.
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| 170 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 11:34
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I don't think the program they come from matters. Florida chucked the ball all over the place when Spurrier was there and the NFL is still looking for a WR from Florida to step up.
Eric Moulds is from Miss St, Marvin Harrison from Syracuse, T.O. from some two bit school in the middle of Tenn, Chad Johnson from Ore St, etc.
Unless they have absolutely superior physical talent I don't take any WR in the first round. I feel the same way about QBs. I would get my QBs in the 2nd and 3rd round if at all possible...too many Ryan Leaf, Andre Ware, Akili Smith types out there.
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| 171 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 12:06
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DC,,
I see your point but I think what your saying supports my thought as well. Florida or Florida State players aren't noted for their disciplin which in my opinion is a product of the system they come from.
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| 172 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 13:22
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Porter/Randle-El and D. Bennett are prime example's of pure talent being put to use in the NFL. I believe they all were QB's in college and had the physical skills to compete as Wr's. These guys take longer to reach the top, soley because it takes a few years to learn how to run the correct routes. I have big time respect for the Wideouts who can come straight from college and not miss a beat in the NFL. Moss/R. Williams/Holt/Hobdy and C. Johnson are resent WR's.
I don't think it matters what program they come from either, Rice came from Mississippi Valley St or something. The NFL would be satuarated with BYU and Florida Wideouts if that was the case.
Big name college normally means big time players, so of course you will see more players from those colleges in the NFL.
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| 173 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 14:07
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Ed you are right except again it adds to my point. When I say program, I'm not just talking about route running, I'm talking about the discipline on and off the field that comes with that program. IE. Florida State Criminals?? I think that is what leads to the rookies getting into the playbook and studying their routes instead of being out on the town trying to figure what route to run when the cops are on the way.
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| 174 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 14:25
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I think you have a little point? I mean I can't see Owens and Moss having much discipline in College, I'd rather see it as individual players having more discipline then other's, hence the interviews done by the scouts to see any character flaws. I don't think the players @ FSU are any less dedicated then players @ Texas and the coaching seems to be on par with other colleges. I'm sure some programs won't put up with some stuff that FSU players may get away with? I think if Momma raised you right you will normally have the factors that matter, instilled in you long before Bobby Bowden turns you into a criminal?
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| 175 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 14:51
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I'm with Ed on this one. It's more about the makeup of individual players than anything else. I highly doubt ANY college offense is as sophisticated as the worst NFL offense...all of these guys will have to step it up when they reach the NFL. Some respond well and others don't. That's why I say, if you're going to draft a WR in the first round he better have Moss, A. Johnson, or Roy Williams talent because you just don't know how they'll respond mentally.
As far as discipline goes, it comes in many different forms. There's a difference between being a disciplinarian as far as attitude & behavior off the field goes and having a complex and highly sophisticated offense. Some of the biggest disciplinarians run the most basic offenses and their players need extra time in the NFL to adjust.
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| 176 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 15:14
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OK now you've gone and done it. I'm forced to use an AF analogy.
If what your saying is true or the way I'm understanding what you are saying, if you have an Amn that came from a bad home or one that had no discipline, he will never make a good NCO or a great SNCO.
IMO, disciplin has everything to do with being a success or not. It can be taught after they leave the home. I do agree it is a harder road but I think programs that traditionally enforce disciplin and hard work produce the better players. Moss-Marshall, Harrison-Syracuse, Owens-Tenn-Chat, Bruce-Memphis State, Holt-NC state, and lets not forget Rice-Mississippi Valley State.
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| 177 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 15:35
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Not to counter the AF view, but the Air Force has a LOT more money than any NFL team. Out of the 300,000 or so AD, how many really bad apples are there? Not too many statistically speaking, but the AF can afford to swallow those few. Not saying that it is correct to waste money like that, but how long can you give a WR to finally learn their routes, become mentally and physically disciplined and adapt to the NFL while collecting a much larger paycheck than I get on a smaller budget?
I wouldn't say not to draft a WR in the first couple of rounds, but few start paying back dividends right away. At least in the AF, the dirtbags can always pull weeds or clean bathrooms, base details, etc. I would wait to see maybe a one year breakout WR or one that really has potential that hasn't been exploited and go after them rather than sign a star WR in college and hope he works out. RB's you just have to roll the dice because there aren't nearly as many as there are WR's.
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| 178 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 16:10
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SC,
What percentage of the AF rise to the rank of General and Chief? Wouldn't you say it is proportional to the number of standouts in the NFL or any sport as far as that goes. Wouldn't you say that hard work and discipline contributed to that success?
I know this for a fact. If it wasn't for some hard ass, ate up, lifers, influencing my choices in life as an Amn, I would have never been able to accomplish what I have.
I agree that the home life comes into play but if in the right environment or program, other habbits can be learned. Is it not true that our best troops come from the more disciplined supervisors? At least for my 25 years, that's been my experience.
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| 179 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 16:25
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Both systems AF/NFL try and weed out let's just say those individuals with Flaws. A few always sneak through the cracks. The system sooner or later reviels your weaknesses and strength's. I'll agree that it some cases it can turn a problem child into a more disciplined person. I can see how you think Discipline relates to success, It takes a lot more then just that to make a #1 WR in the NFL. A average NCO can last twenty plus years in the AF. A average disciplined WR normally last's 2-3 years before someone better comes along. Relating it too the AF doesn't even compare to what you have to have meantally/Physically to make it in the NFL.
We got off track I think? The bottom line is the WR position is the toughtest besides the QB to adjust too from College too NFL.
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| 180 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 16:46
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Now damn Ed,
That's all you had to say. I agree with that.
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| 181 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 17:59
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FNAS,
Hey opinions are like You know what? I normally refer to GCobb, since he made SMSGT when he was 25, I just assume he's smarter then the average boy from Kentucky.
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| 182 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 18:27
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No way he made Senior by 25.
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| 183 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 18:47
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Slightly emblished the 25 year's old, He could have lied and came in when he was 15 year's old?
The point was, he's a smart man..which doesn't equate too Fantasy smarts, so I can handle him!!!
Ok, he's won 2-3 SB's...BigEd still at 0 in that league.
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| 184 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 18:52
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Scotty, start a new thread!!!!
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| 185 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 19:20
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Moved the discussion to.......
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/mb/footst/543.shtml?1122337178
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| 186 | superclydes
ID: 36371321
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 19:25
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I wasn't comparing NCO's or Generals, just paychecks. If I have a 70 mil budget and am giving a rookie WR a big chunk of that and he isn't producing, it wouldn't take me long to can that salary and look to someone more proven.
I am not trying to get into the who salary vs salary cap and everything like that. I was just saying that I think looking for young talent at WR is difficult and might be better off to take the more proven players and pay them the big salary because they can do it.
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| 187 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 19:36
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Clyde........
New Discussion
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